I've owned all 3. The LCD3 gave me the best resolution and soundstage. If you have fancy gear, it scales really well with it. The bass just falls off a bit too early. The X's gave me boosted bass and treble but average resolution and narrow soundstage. Meh. The 2's is all midrange and flat bass. Highs were the fuzziest sounding. Somewhere there's a perfect headphone between the 3. If I had to pick one up again, I'd take the 2C because of its unique tonal balance. Good for pop vocals.
Ryan Hickory Could you add what gear you find the LCD-3 to scale up well with? My listening impressions of the LCD-3s is pretty much restricted to the Deckard and some mid level Schiit audio gear with which it actually sounded worse than the LCD-2 in terms of soundstage and transparency. I've largely preferred the Xs of the three so far but that is based on my current solid-state gear. I listen primarily to metal as a genre so their energy and intensity is something I enjoy. I've been looking at the 3s again with higher end gear, but am not entirely sure of how they might work with my preferences so would like some insights as to what would be a good pairing.
when you get good gear, the LCD-3s run away from the LCD-X. Many people report the LCD-X to be non-lush, less detailed, grainy and narrowed in comparison. But at least they're easy to drive...
Audeze sure know how to make awesome looking headphones...I'm just so glad they sound as good as they look! Good job fitting all that quality content into an 18 minute video Josh...can't imagine that was easy.
Great comparison! Just want to mention that the LCD-X creator package doesn't come with a case and the case they sell on their website is not the same case that comes for the LCD-X fully priced. The one they sell on their website, while not being awful, I would not consider a travel case due to how shallow the foam cutouts are. Rather, I'd just consider it to be a ugly dust protector. If I banged around that case at all then I'm sure my headphones and all the contents in the case would go flying. Still, since I did not buy the LCD-X for travel, I'm fine with this at the reduced cost, just something that I don't see any reviewers who recommend the creators price mentioning. (Oh, btw the box that the LCD-X ships with is much better for storing the headphones in terms of fit than the standalone case you can purchase. And, ofc, the case that comes with the full priced LCD-X is better than both.)
Great video! I have tried all 3 of these headphones as well as LCD-2F and my order of most to least favorite would be X > 2F > 2C >>>> 3. I really did not like the 3s, so maybe there was something up with the drivers or batch it came from, as the other 3 were much better in my opinion. Audio is subjective of course but I found the overall bass of the X's to be the most engaging to listen to and as my preferred genres are mostly EDM and Rap I felt the X's fit my specific use case the best. The 2F come close but lack a little detail in the treble compared to the X in my opinion and the 2C is noticeably darker than X or 2F, which left me wanting more as honestly I almost prefer a V shape sound. I struggled for a really long time with justifying the price of the X vs the 2F or 2C and I finally pulled the trigger recently to have my own. I think the 2F comes really close to the X but after hearing the X I couldn't be satisfied with them. The 2C are probably the best overall value if you're just talking sound for your dollar but they don't suit my taste as much as the X's. All wonderful headphones however except the 3 for me, I found them a bit too bright, narrow, and lacking bass compared to the rest. Weird. I think if you have the cash, it's worth adding an Audeze planar to your headphone collection. The X are my favorite headphones to date and I couldn't imagine not owning some kind of Audeze planar.
Did you notice any difference in the earcup depth? I'm asking because the LCD-2C fits fine to me while the LCD-X are not "deep" enough, so the driver gets in touch with my ears. Kinda hurts after some time. Should it be that way or is that a fault/earcup damaged?
I went to the music store today to compare 2c's with x's. In the meantime I grabbed focal stellias and meze empyrean. Started with the last two I was like OK... stellias sounded a bit better to my ear. And then guy brings 2c's and I got goosebumps :) sounded pretty damn good for it's price. We put stellias and meze back on rack and I got to listen to X's. Played Metallica - Whenever I May Roam and I was flooded by Lars' cymbals 😀 The upper range was too much for me and I decided to go with 2 c's. Relaxed and good for rock/metal. Jazz and soul sounded also great. For someone who likes to listen to music and not the music production I suppose is the one to choose. But every ear is different so it's always better to check yourself.
Powiedz mi Artur a jak te Meze bo cena zabojcza a nic nie wspomniales o nich? Jak bym mial kiedys tyle kasy do wydania to empyrean bylby wysoko na liscie
@@soulfulfool a takie jakieś zamulone dziwnie mi się wydały. Brakowało mi w nich osobiście dynamiki i jakiegoś pazura, który usprawiedliwiałby wydane pieniądze. Ale każde ucho jest inne więc najlepiej podjechac do salonu, wypić kawę i przekonać się na własne uszy.
Thanks for the comparison and the individual reviews of the 2C and the X. It helped me a lot today when I went in to test each of them. I will say you hit the nail on the head, the sound stage and detail of the X over the 2C was very noticeable and I thought it was much more enjoyable and yes, worth the extra investment. I really appreciate how critical you are in your reviews, thanks again for the helping narrow down my selection of headphone and help come to my conclusion. Mine comes with the new headband, so I've got to be happy with that.
Splendid comparison Josh! I may also have to add that the leather head-strap on the newer LCD's stretch out over time, so the metal bars touch your head after about 30 minutes of use which is quite annoying. I followed in DMS' step and moved it one step down.
I recently bought a used pair of LCD3f that are in the mail to me.I have a pair of 600s and I have auditioned the 800 for a short wile.Now after watching this video.I'm having buyers remorse even though I haven't heard them yet.I'm hoping some of the posts in the bottom of the video are true as far as scaling with a good amp and source. I have a WA6 se and a Cambridge audio Dac Magic +
Thank you for your very informative, honest and authentic videos. It's really fun to have a close look at your videos. I would be happy if you would also test models of Hifiman. The Ananda and the Sundara - that would be exciting in any case... also to compare them with the various Audeze models. Many greetings and keep up the good work! :)
This is my first ever you tube post... since.. the birth of you tube? Heh. Anyways, I just wanted you to know that is how much I like your channel and review style. In fact, your videos were the first that I gave likes to, as I do not like appearing on public social media. Throwing this out there for your consideration. Have you ever thought of doing written reviews just like Tyll did? Transcribing his video reviews onto paper. It gives those at work, a chance to read your reviews on and off during break times. Not sure if you have a day job, but you should join Innerfidelity. Site has gone to the dumps with hippy shallow reviews ever since Tyll retired. Peace
@Josh, guys, if I already have the LCD-2C but still want more sound (ridiculous, I know) should you think it's worth getting the LCD-X? Is it redundant having both?
I chose the creator option ( no traveling case) when I bought my LCD-X's a week ago. These Cans are awesome! At $1200 bucks they have no peer and higher priced cans can't compete with them in my view silly because those super expensive headphones don't deliver an increase in performance -if any- that is commensurate with the higher price.
I own both LCD-XC and LCD-2. The XC is amazing, and almost passes -to my ears- as open sounding! Amazing! Yet they do a great job sealing in and sealing out sound. The improved level of detail, and bass in the XC over the 2 is immediately noticeable. So much richer and thicker in sound overall. Thinking about selling my LCD-2, to buy an LCD-X.
Did you notice any difference in the earcup depth? I'm asking because the LCD-2C fits fine to me while the LCD-X are not "deep" enough, so the driver gets in touch with my ears. Kinda hurts after some time. Should it be that way or is that a fault/earcup damaged?
Hi Joshua. Hope you can answer this question.. What headphone can you recommend for absolute bass kings? I own 6xx, 58x and modded DT770 Pro 80 (think I will get the 4xx as well), powered by an NFB11-R2R (and i love them all for different reasons), but I'm not quite satisfied in the bass-department, when I'm listening to things like Trance, R&B and Hip Hop. Partly satisfied, but I Especially for Trance and Phycadelic I would like to have like the Cerwin Vega 12" hardhitting kickbass :), but still fast and precise(not muddy), and still maintaining the precision and clarity in the other ranges. I know it would have to be a compromise between the ranges, but can you recommend anything for the semi audiophile basshead? :) Love your channel! Regards Dan
I have the LCD-2f from late 2015/16, and as of yet, I have not found a better LCD under £1500. I just tried the X 2021, and yes, there is better detail and tuning, but on all other levels, it does not match my 2f. The X is nice, but it feels less fun and does not stir me at all.
I loved the LCD-X sound, but the fazor kept touching my ear and ruining my overall enjoyment as I kept focussing on the touching of ear. I ended up exchanging them for the 2c’s, which I also like. The non fazor aspect made the difference to my enjoyment. I miss the LCD-X sound, I wish they did them with non fazor.
Did you notice any difference in the earcup depth? I'm asking because the LCD-2C fits fine to me while the LCD-X are not "deep" enough, so the driver gets in touch with my ears. Kinda hurts after some time. Is that because the Fazor?
@@Dornpunzel Yes, it's the fazor of the X. I didn't notice a difference in ear cup depth, only the material. The 2c appears to be faux leather, while the X looks like real leather.
@@Masimo_Yovanni Huge thank you for that answer, Rino. That means that i will have to return the X while keeping the 2C even tho i rly liked the X Sound a lil bit more. Well at least some money saved. 🙂
I am ordering the focal clear because they are on sale for $1100 so if i have them mail them to you for review how long would you hold on to them and would you pay for shipping back ?
I'm new in this hobby and LCD-2C are my best HP, upgraded them with balanced cable and downloaded reveal plugin. Wonder if Hifiman headphones can really be better, build quality definitely not, just curious how Ananda sounds
Ananda sounds amazing and havent had any build quality issues. Also keep in mind Ananda is like the opposite sounding planar than a Audeze it's not a ton of slam and impact but it does better in other areas. I'm actually about to buy a LCD X which because of the slam and impact would be perfect for me.
I want an Audeze for modern music , chamber music, jazz and a Sennheiser hd800s for large orchestral music. Is it better to fulfil my requirements by combining 2 headphones in this way or should I just buy a single do it all like the HEDD headphone, or lcd 4, or focal utopia?
Which is the best for 'high end,' gaming? Almost strictly FPS, paired with high end DAC (SMSL SU-8) and AMP (THX 887).... ? Any thoughts? I play with a fairly competitive nature (Escape from Tarkov currently) however I'm also looking for immersion and enjoy-ability (explosions, gunfire... other games vehicles etc). Any input would be appreciated. Currently have M1060's.
so the X are for your ears the personal choice. found some x 2 hand for 750 pund thats about 1000 usd. should i do the jump? i only used 30 usd philips till now on my phone
Nice work, all out of my price range unfortunately, but I’m loving the audiophile terms I pick up on this channel. Just added #bloomyness to #intents and #girth
Josh: As a secondary consideration, would the 2C's be good for "positionals" in First/3rd person shooters? If no, what's best - in gaming, as well - (music still primary) at this price point? Or even used?
Appreciate the reply Josh. Have a feeling we have the same taste 'sonically'. Do you have a companion website? ---------------------------------------------- Will have to find a local (Sydney, Australia) audiophile group to test out LCD-X properly, and get clued up to 2nd hand deals too. Been digging around, you know "The Journey", and think I'd rather jump to End Game instead of piecemeal upping the ante every 9 months. (And spending the same money on multiple incremental headphone purchases over, say, 18 months). ------------------------------------------ P.S. I'm not a 'gamer' - but my 3 children have recently/graciously allowed me into their Fortnite clan*. - After I built them all kick ass PC's - seen used nVidia 10 series prices drop, after the 20 series launch? - it was the least they could do. Wow, whole other world. Anyway my, brief - 2 hours on weekends, sessions slightly skewed the headphone requirement. • Music FIRST, positional 3PS a distant secondary consideration. * They also saw the ugly side of Dad's competitive nature.
I’ve only heard the lcd-2, had some interesting sound but I wouldn’t say they were accurate. Overall they seemed really meh. I always wanted to try the 3’s but they were a grand more. I wasn’t in the market for 2k plus headphones.
Same tho lcd x sounds better its still similar sound. They measure similar and they sound similar. Dont know what he said that they are all that much different. There is improvment from 2c to x but they are not amazing
which one of these would be good for electronic music. I'm currently using a Sennheiser momentum 2. I like them but I think I am ready for more. I want more bass and more details but the highs not too too high
Listen to z reviews lcd x sound demo, he has a few electronic songs on there and they sound pretty great. The 1200 dollar lcdx creator package is really tempting considering they dont take much to drive. If I wasn't looking for a closed can and wasnt worried about comfort, I would 100% pick them up.
Lets say that i buy HD6xx's and i run them trough my 150 OHM amp, how much of the performance/sound do i lose? I'm new to the audiophile game and i don't know if i should just buy the 6XX's or wait for the HD58X's. What's you guyses thoughts?
i have the Sennheiser HD 650's (6xx) and the Massdrop/Sennheiser 58x's. I can't imagine you being disappointed with either. They are truly both extremely pleasing headphones. I will switch back and forth between them and i have to try to find differences. Do know that i am just a dude and not some studied and experienced audiophile. I just enjoy headphones a lot. Either of those headphones for that price is an amazing deal.
Which are the best for high-end competitive (FPS) gaming? I have a THX 887 amp + SMSL SU-8 DAC... any of these? I want immersion; enjoy a lot of bass; pretty precise for footsteps (but not my only consideration)... etc.
I think the lcd 2c would be your best bet. I picked up a pair used for 600$. For the money it hard to beat and the warm rich sound is very immersive. Even for competitive play I find them damn good.
Hi, Joshua. There is a Chinese Headphone called "ISK HF2010", which, like the superluxes, delivers amazing audio quality for the price. The shape of it is the same used on the Takstar HI2050, but the sound signature is quite different from takstar and superlux signatures. The sound of the HF2010 is very reminiscent of the Sennheiser HD5xx and HD6xx series and has much more balanced and natural sound than the superluxes and the HI2050 itself. Here in Brazil he is well known among gamers and is sold as the rebrand “Arcano SHP80”. It would be great to see a review of this phone and compare it with the Sennheiser HD600, HD58X, Philips SHP9500S ... I wanted to be able to send mine for analysis, but, from Brazil, it is very complicated to do this, due to the high costs with international delivery and taxes. It was sold there in the USA as "Freeboss HF2010". Currently it is unavailable in amazon, but you find it on Aliexpress for the price of 40 dollars.
Guilherme Novaes I’ve never heard of these brands but this is excellent information. The Superlux HD681 is listed on Amazon for $34.53; the ISK HF2010 is listed on Alieexpress for $39.80. They look like great bargains.
hey josh, I'm a teen audiophile ...i want to buy my first pair of audiophile speakers and i can't find what I'm looking for on the internet.. everything is quite vague. All I'm looking for is that live sound when you close your eyes you feel like you're actually sitting in front of a band... not sure if a wide soundstage is the term that describes it perfectly. can you suggest some speakers under $2000 and i also wanted to have like four speakers at four corners if that's needed for the kind of sound I'm looking for
Ayushmaan Lala All I can tell you is if you get a great pair of speakers you won’t need four. Can’t really recommend anything as I always go and try stuff personally. Trust your own ears
Just try and find a good local independent dealer. Tell him the set up you have and the sound you are after and also the kind of music you love. If the dealer is a good one he will steer you in the right direction. He may even let you demo the speakers at home
No problem. Keep me posted how you go on. I’m looking at buying some speakers soon myself. Narrowed it down to Klipsch Forte III,Tannoy Stirling and Harbeth Super HL5 Plus
Two things I don't like about Audeze are their price policy and the comfort. The price of thier 2Cs should be obviously a bit lower and their 3s are out of my understanding. The comfort is average. They are quite comfortable the first hour or so. After you will start to feel the weight and your ears will get sweat considerably
Do the X really not need an amp/dac? Not everyone seems to agree on this. Is there a sound quality difference between using an amp and not, or is it simply the volume?
Paranoid Android There is a sound quality difference in addition to volume. I highly suggest a good dac and amp for quality audio listening. However, a good dac/amp can not make up for crappy source material.
Well done. We have different tastes but can I understand that the X’s highs would be ear piercing for me! Hmm Ryan Hickory seems to have a different conclusion on bass. I’ll have to double check, and check out metal571 new vid too.
HD650 were my daily driver until I upgraded to the LCD-2C; upgraded being the operative word. I won't go into the specifics of each aspect of the sound but I can say that to my ears the 2Cs are a substantial enough upgrade over the 650s to warrant the extra cost. I can't speak for the Xs or the 3s as I have not heard them but if you're thinking of upgrading your 650s I'd say you couldn't go wrong with the 2Cs.
I currently have both in my collection and I have to say that the x wins in every department possible except for 650 having fuller vocals. bass, treble, mids all sound more detailed, faster, more controlled and clearer to me, soundstage is wider ect. Its a clear upgrade, the question is do you really need to spend 1.2k to enjoy your music.
I feel Audeze are the hardest headphones to review . I think the dirty truth is 5 minutes after audeze designs a set of headphones they forget who they designed it for . It also a set of headphones many reviewers come back to and rethink and lower their opinions . Initial thoughts vs 15 months later . I love my LCD-2 and LCD-3 and my LCD-X and my LCD-XC but the LCD-4's got sent back. I would never be foolish enough to buy the LCD-2C for about 100.00 less than what is considered by every major reviewer as the second best headphones ever made (LCD-2) . So for about 100.00 more you get CNC machined bamboo cups case fazor angled jacks and A stock drivers and longer cable, Hello earth to Matilda ? I feel Both the LCD-X and the LCD-3 are each great for their intended niche . Lets say they all are 500.00 bucks each, you are never going to buy The LCD-3 for portable use. It takes at least a watt just to get the LCD-3 going . Maybe if the LCD-X sounds better than the LCD-2C that has more to do with the amp? did you ever think most solid state amps output more power at 20 ohms than at 70 -110 Ohms ? Logic tells me LCD-3 is for high end high output amps LCD-2C mid level amps and LCD-X no amps .
But did you compare the LCD 3 with the X ? I want to buy an X but also found a good deal on a 3, is the 3 superior in any way because people seem to rate them at the same level.
@@Berkanann I have never listen to the Amiron but I read some good things about this headphone but I have listen to the DT1990 Pro and I liked it especially for mixing. But I need also a Headphone for just relaxed music sessions and for this is the 1990 Pro a bit to flat so I thought the Amiron is maybe a good choise. So what would you recommend for this apart from the LCD-2c?
I've tried it, it still sounds different to my ears, the bass still felt a little more bloomy and while the recessed treble can be changed, its still lacking that little extra bit of detail in the x
I wish you could stop being so concerned with time limits, especially when you don't only mention but also repeat the impedance and sensitivity ratings.
@@emmanuelpalmer8108 i own the hd660s and i really like them, but they do not measure up against the lcd series. I own the x and it is a significant step up from the 660s!!
Audeze LCD-2C vs LCD-X I’m listening Heavy metal, Death metal I would like to match it with Fiio M17 Which one do you suggest as, I cannot find either one local Favor instrument is “Drums” Thank you!
The headbands for the LCD3 and LCDX have been updated to the suspension style headband from March '18.
You know you made it when Audeze responds...
Is this real Audeze or is it just a fan
Edit: it's real
Going to buy an Audeze LCD-X today
Then can you sell the correct cases please? lol
And it was the best thing ever; bought x over 2c only because of this.
I love you AUDEZE
I've owned all 3. The LCD3 gave me the best resolution and soundstage. If you have fancy gear, it scales really well with it. The bass just falls off a bit too early. The X's gave me boosted bass and treble but average resolution and narrow soundstage. Meh. The 2's is all midrange and flat bass. Highs were the fuzziest sounding. Somewhere there's a perfect headphone between the 3. If I had to pick one up again, I'd take the 2C because of its unique tonal balance. Good for pop vocals.
This seems to be a different take. Interesting.
Ryan Hickory Could you add what gear you find the LCD-3 to scale up well with? My listening impressions of the LCD-3s is pretty much restricted to the Deckard and some mid level Schiit audio gear with which it actually sounded worse than the LCD-2 in terms of soundstage and transparency. I've largely preferred the Xs of the three so far but that is based on my current solid-state gear. I listen primarily to metal as a genre so their energy and intensity is something I enjoy. I've been looking at the 3s again with higher end gear, but am not entirely sure of how they might work with my preferences so would like some insights as to what would be a good pairing.
when you get good gear, the LCD-3s run away from the LCD-X. Many people report the LCD-X to be non-lush, less detailed, grainy and narrowed in comparison. But at least they're easy to drive...
Important information. Thank you!
Is the LCD2c lacking in bass in general, or is it just in comparison to the 3 and the X?
Audeze sure know how to make awesome looking headphones...I'm just so glad they sound as good as they look! Good job fitting all that quality content into an 18 minute video Josh...can't imagine that was easy.
Finally a decent comparison in one video on RUclips, Thanks Josh.
Great comparison!
Just want to mention that the LCD-X creator package doesn't come with a case and the case they sell on their website is not the same case that comes for the LCD-X fully priced. The one they sell on their website, while not being awful, I would not consider a travel case due to how shallow the foam cutouts are. Rather, I'd just consider it to be a ugly dust protector. If I banged around that case at all then I'm sure my headphones and all the contents in the case would go flying. Still, since I did not buy the LCD-X for travel, I'm fine with this at the reduced cost, just something that I don't see any reviewers who recommend the creators price mentioning. (Oh, btw the box that the LCD-X ships with is much better for storing the headphones in terms of fit than the standalone case you can purchase. And, ofc, the case that comes with the full priced LCD-X is better than both.)
Great video! I have tried all 3 of these headphones as well as LCD-2F and my order of most to least favorite would be X > 2F > 2C >>>> 3. I really did not like the 3s, so maybe there was something up with the drivers or batch it came from, as the other 3 were much better in my opinion. Audio is subjective of course but I found the overall bass of the X's to be the most engaging to listen to and as my preferred genres are mostly EDM and Rap I felt the X's fit my specific use case the best. The 2F come close but lack a little detail in the treble compared to the X in my opinion and the 2C is noticeably darker than X or 2F, which left me wanting more as honestly I almost prefer a V shape sound.
I struggled for a really long time with justifying the price of the X vs the 2F or 2C and I finally pulled the trigger recently to have my own. I think the 2F comes really close to the X but after hearing the X I couldn't be satisfied with them. The 2C are probably the best overall value if you're just talking sound for your dollar but they don't suit my taste as much as the X's. All wonderful headphones however except the 3 for me, I found them a bit too bright, narrow, and lacking bass compared to the rest. Weird.
I think if you have the cash, it's worth adding an Audeze planar to your headphone collection. The X are my favorite headphones to date and I couldn't imagine not owning some kind of Audeze planar.
Did you notice any difference in the earcup depth?
I'm asking because the LCD-2C fits fine to me while the LCD-X are not "deep" enough, so the driver gets in touch with my ears. Kinda hurts after some time.
Should it be that way or is that a fault/earcup damaged?
I went to the music store today to compare 2c's with x's. In the meantime I grabbed focal stellias and meze empyrean. Started with the last two I was like OK... stellias sounded a bit better to my ear. And then guy brings 2c's and I got goosebumps :) sounded pretty damn good for it's price. We put stellias and meze back on rack and I got to listen to X's. Played Metallica - Whenever I May Roam and I was flooded by Lars' cymbals 😀 The upper range was too much for me and I decided to go with 2 c's. Relaxed and good for rock/metal. Jazz and soul sounded also great. For someone who likes to listen to music and not the music production I suppose is the one to choose. But every ear is different so it's always better to check yourself.
Powiedz mi Artur a jak te Meze bo cena zabojcza a nic nie wspomniales o nich? Jak bym mial kiedys tyle kasy do wydania to empyrean bylby wysoko na liscie
@@soulfulfool a takie jakieś zamulone dziwnie mi się wydały. Brakowało mi w nich osobiście dynamiki i jakiegoś pazura, który usprawiedliwiałby wydane pieniądze. Ale każde ucho jest inne więc najlepiej podjechac do salonu, wypić kawę i przekonać się na własne uszy.
Great video!
A little disappointing that the LCD2's weren't included in the comparison.
Thanks for the comparison and the individual reviews of the 2C and the X. It helped me a lot today when I went in to test each of them. I will say you hit the nail on the head, the sound stage and detail of the X over the 2C was very noticeable and I thought it was much more enjoyable and yes, worth the extra investment. I really appreciate how critical you are in your reviews, thanks again for the helping narrow down my selection of headphone and help come to my conclusion. Mine comes with the new headband, so I've got to be happy with that.
thx for the review. i was considering buying the lcd-3 but i think i'll stick with my lcd-2c
is the lcd 2 good for electronic music?
aa39545n it’s boring imo. Doesn’t have enough excitement. I’d go with a zmf headphone.
Splendid comparison Josh! I may also have to add that the leather head-strap on the newer LCD's stretch out over time, so the metal bars touch your head after about 30 minutes of use which is quite annoying. I followed in DMS' step and moved it one step down.
I want to try the LCD-X but not sure if it’s worth the price when I already own the LCD-2C, which I love ❤️
Did you end up getting the LCD-X?
Have you ever a/b the 2c and ananda ?
awesome video. really helpful, I don't think another comparison video has been done!
I recently bought a used pair of LCD3f that are in the mail to me.I have a pair of 600s and I have auditioned the 800 for a short wile.Now after watching this video.I'm having buyers remorse even though I haven't heard them yet.I'm hoping some of the posts in the bottom of the video are true as far as scaling with a good amp and source.
I have a WA6 se and a Cambridge audio Dac Magic +
Do you have an update on your lcd-3's?
Thank you for your very informative, honest and authentic videos. It's really fun to have a close look at your videos.
I would be happy if you would also test models of Hifiman. The Ananda and the Sundara - that would be exciting in any case... also to compare them with the various Audeze models.
Many greetings and keep up the good work! :)
He has done a review of the Sundara in the past if you are interested.
This is my first ever you tube post... since.. the birth of you tube? Heh. Anyways, I just wanted you to know that is how much I like your channel and review style. In fact, your videos were the first that I gave likes to, as I do not like appearing on public social media.
Throwing this out there for your consideration. Have you ever thought of doing written reviews just like Tyll did? Transcribing his video reviews onto paper. It gives those at work, a chance to read your reviews on and off during break times. Not sure if you have a day job, but you should join Innerfidelity. Site has gone to the dumps with hippy shallow reviews ever since Tyll retired.
Peace
How would you compare LCD-X to DT-1990?
No contest
To me lcd x is way more enjoyable than 1990, I listen to Jazz mostly
@@zosmanovic9763 xd dt 1990 better for metal
People seem to forget about the LCD2. I like it better than the the 3 and classic and it's competitively priced.
@Josh, guys, if I already have the LCD-2C but still want more sound (ridiculous, I know) should you think it's worth getting the LCD-X? Is it redundant having both?
I chose the creator option ( no traveling case) when I bought my LCD-X's a week ago. These Cans are awesome! At $1200 bucks they have no peer and higher priced cans can't compete with them in my view silly because those super expensive headphones don't deliver an increase in performance -if any- that is commensurate with the higher price.
You have to try focal Utopia. That's the best headphone for me.
I own both LCD-XC and LCD-2. The XC is amazing, and almost passes -to my ears- as open sounding! Amazing! Yet they do a great job sealing in and sealing out sound. The improved level of detail, and bass in the XC over the 2 is immediately noticeable. So much richer and thicker in sound overall. Thinking about selling my LCD-2, to buy an LCD-X.
Did you buy the lcd-x?
Did you notice any difference in the earcup depth?
I'm asking because the LCD-2C fits fine to me while the LCD-X are not "deep" enough, so the driver gets in touch with my ears. Kinda hurts after some time.
Should it be that way or is that a fault/earcup damaged?
@@Dornpunzel Must have been a heavily used set of pads
@@fuzecap Turned out that it was the Fazor Plate that are mounted inside the LCD-X. Makes like .5 to 1cm less space inside for the ears.
@@Dornpunzel interesting. Do you have particularly big ears? I find the X to be the most spacious earcup of any headphone
Which one for you Joss? LCD-2C vs Beyerdynamic Amiron Home :D? Consider price/performance?
Great video by the way ;), veri informative.
Hi Joshua.
Hope you can answer this question.. What headphone can you recommend for absolute bass kings?
I own 6xx, 58x and modded DT770 Pro 80 (think I will get the 4xx as well), powered by an NFB11-R2R (and i love them all for different reasons), but I'm not quite satisfied in the bass-department, when I'm listening to things like Trance, R&B and Hip Hop.
Partly satisfied, but I
Especially for Trance and Phycadelic I would like to have like the Cerwin Vega 12" hardhitting kickbass :), but still fast and precise(not muddy), and still maintaining the precision and clarity in the other ranges.
I know it would have to be a compromise between the ranges, but can you recommend anything for the semi audiophile basshead? :)
Love your channel!
Regards Dan
In the middle there, it should have said: Partly satified, but I allways want more.. :)
I switched from DT770 and 4XX to LCD XC. Major upgrade! (nfb11)
Thanks @@nimrodmaman.. 4xx's are on their way! :)
I’m here for the review, and the 3 dislikes hehe, but seriously tho nice review! Love the B roll and your take on the headphones!!
Your editing is pretty good Mr.Valour
thank you for you super clear and honest revieuw
Z said the LCD-X has absurd soundstage and the LCD-2C is slightly less, yet you said the opposite, I don't know who to believe now.
"Trust in Valour"
That’s not what Z said. He said exactly the same as Josh, that they don’t have a wide soundstage but that they have great imaging.
I have the LCD-2f from late 2015/16, and as of yet, I have not found a better LCD under £1500. I just tried the X 2021, and yes, there is better detail and tuning, but on all other levels, it does not match my 2f. The X is nice, but it feels less fun and does not stir me at all.
I loved the LCD-X sound, but the fazor kept touching my ear and ruining my overall enjoyment as I kept focussing on the touching of ear. I ended up exchanging them for the 2c’s, which I also like. The non fazor aspect made the difference to my enjoyment. I miss the LCD-X sound, I wish they did them with non fazor.
Did you notice any difference in the earcup depth?
I'm asking because the LCD-2C fits fine to me while the LCD-X are not "deep" enough, so the driver gets in touch with my ears. Kinda hurts after some time.
Is that because the Fazor?
@@Dornpunzel Yes, it's the fazor of the X. I didn't notice a difference in ear cup depth, only the material. The 2c appears to be faux leather, while the X looks like real leather.
@@Masimo_Yovanni Huge thank you for that answer, Rino. That means that i will have to return the X while keeping the 2C even tho i rly liked the X Sound a lil bit more. Well at least some money saved. 🙂
I am ordering the focal clear because they are on sale for $1100 so if i have them mail them to you for review how long would you hold on to them and would you pay for shipping back ?
I'm new in this hobby and LCD-2C are my best HP, upgraded them with balanced cable and downloaded reveal plugin. Wonder if Hifiman headphones can really be better, build quality definitely not, just curious how Ananda sounds
Ananda sounds amazing and havent had any build quality issues. Also keep in mind Ananda is like the opposite sounding planar than a Audeze it's not a ton of slam and impact but it does better in other areas. I'm actually about to buy a LCD X which because of the slam and impact would be perfect for me.
Hello Joshua.
Which lcd or Hifiman would you suggest for studio use ?
I want an Audeze for modern music , chamber music, jazz and a Sennheiser hd800s for large orchestral music. Is it better to fulfil my requirements by combining 2 headphones in this way or should I just buy a single do it all like the HEDD headphone, or lcd 4, or focal utopia?
Which is the best for 'high end,' gaming? Almost strictly FPS, paired with high end DAC (SMSL SU-8) and AMP (THX 887).... ? Any thoughts? I play with a fairly competitive nature (Escape from Tarkov currently) however I'm also looking for immersion and enjoy-ability (explosions, gunfire... other games vehicles etc). Any input would be appreciated. Currently have M1060's.
Hey Josh when are you reviewing the gx?
so the X are for your ears the personal choice. found some x 2 hand for 750 pund thats about 1000 usd. should i do the jump? i only used 30 usd philips till now on my phone
I hear the soundstage for the 2c is very wide and amazing for movies. Is this the same for LCD X?
good review as usual but i am missing your music reviews☺
Will any of these pair well with an OTL amp, such as the Feliks Echo MK II or the Schiit VALHALLA 2 ???
Nice work, all out of my price range unfortunately, but I’m loving the audiophile terms I pick up on this channel. Just added #bloomyness to #intents and #girth
Josh: As a secondary consideration, would the 2C's be good for "positionals" in First/3rd person shooters? If no, what's best - in gaming, as well - (music still primary) at this price point?
Or even used?
Still the X. The 2C has some imaging dead points. The three does have wider sound stage, but isn't worth $800 more than the X.
Appreciate the reply Josh. Have a feeling we have the same taste 'sonically'.
Do you have a companion website?
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Will have to find a local (Sydney, Australia) audiophile group to test out LCD-X properly, and get clued up to 2nd hand deals too.
Been digging around, you know "The Journey", and think I'd rather jump to End Game instead of piecemeal upping the ante every 9 months. (And spending the same money on multiple incremental headphone purchases over, say, 18 months).
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P.S. I'm not a 'gamer' - but my 3 children have recently/graciously allowed me into their Fortnite clan*. - After I built them all kick ass PC's - seen used nVidia 10 series prices drop, after the 20 series launch? - it was the least they could do.
Wow, whole other world.
Anyway my, brief - 2 hours on weekends, sessions slightly skewed the headphone requirement.
• Music FIRST, positional 3PS a distant secondary consideration.
* They also saw the ugly side of Dad's competitive nature.
What are the details on the helmet in the background, looks neat!
Can you review Marshall Woburn?
Have you ever compared the X’s do the Quad ERA-1 Planar’s?
how does the zenheizer hd 800s compairs to those tank like bult planar headphones? sound and comfort
you say you dont need an amp for any of these. would they be ok with an otl?
What was the gear you used when making these impressions?
Where is the 2 fazor?
Oppo PM-3 and HIFIMAN HE-400I revieuw compared to these?
Would you get the Leather earpads or the Leather free ones?
Good production dude
Thanks Josh
Great review
How would these pair up with my tube headphone amp as I’ve heard Planar Magnetic headphones don’t go well with tubes
Just an idea, a scale only costs a few bucks! Thanks
nice Video, and nice explaining
Whats about the LCD 4z ?
Does using equaliser can sort out this lack of treble on LCD-2C?
you can bump up the treble without significant distortion altho it will still lack that extra control and detailing in the x
I’ve only heard the lcd-2, had some interesting sound but I wouldn’t say they were accurate. Overall they seemed really meh. I always wanted to try the 3’s but they were a grand more. I wasn’t in the market for 2k plus headphones.
Same tho lcd x sounds better its still similar sound. They measure similar and they sound similar. Dont know what he said that they are all that much different. There is improvment from 2c to x but they are not amazing
which one of these would be good for electronic music. I'm currently using a Sennheiser momentum 2. I like them but I think I am ready for more. I want more bass and more details but the highs not too too high
Listen to z reviews lcd x sound demo, he has a few electronic songs on there and they sound pretty great. The 1200 dollar lcdx creator package is really tempting considering they dont take much to drive. If I wasn't looking for a closed can and wasnt worried about comfort, I would 100% pick them up.
Also, LCD x for bass
@@buster7618 Thanks
Whats a “phaser or fazer”
Why would sensitivity above 80db matter?
Lets say that i buy HD6xx's and i run them trough my 150 OHM amp, how much of the performance/sound do i lose? I'm new to the audiophile game and i don't know if i should just buy the 6XX's or wait for the HD58X's. What's you guyses thoughts?
i have the Sennheiser HD 650's (6xx) and the Massdrop/Sennheiser 58x's. I can't imagine you being disappointed with either. They are truly both extremely pleasing headphones. I will switch back and forth between them and i have to try to find differences. Do know that i am just a dude and not some studied and experienced audiophile. I just enjoy headphones a lot. Either of those headphones for that price is an amazing deal.
Which are the best for high-end competitive (FPS) gaming? I have a THX 887 amp + SMSL SU-8 DAC... any of these? I want immersion; enjoy a lot of bass; pretty precise for footsteps (but not my only consideration)... etc.
I think the lcd 2c would be your best bet. I picked up a pair used for 600$. For the money it hard to beat and the warm rich sound is very immersive. Even for competitive play I find them damn good.
Better off with like dt1990
You want bright headphones for footsteps
How does the 2c stack up against the aeon flow?
Hi, Joshua. There is a Chinese Headphone called "ISK HF2010", which, like the superluxes, delivers amazing audio quality for the price. The shape of it is the same used on the Takstar HI2050, but the sound signature is quite different from takstar and superlux signatures. The sound of the HF2010 is very reminiscent of the Sennheiser HD5xx and HD6xx series and has much more balanced and natural sound than the superluxes and the HI2050 itself.
Here in Brazil he is well known among gamers and is sold as the rebrand “Arcano SHP80”. It would be great to see a review of this phone and compare it with the Sennheiser HD600, HD58X, Philips SHP9500S ...
I wanted to be able to send mine for analysis, but, from Brazil, it is very complicated to do this, due to the high costs with international delivery and taxes. It was sold there in the USA as "Freeboss HF2010". Currently it is unavailable in amazon, but you find it on Aliexpress for the price of 40 dollars.
Guilherme Novaes I’ve never heard of these brands but this is excellent information. The Superlux HD681 is listed on Amazon for $34.53; the ISK HF2010 is listed on Alieexpress for $39.80. They look like great bargains.
Here is a link to a review of the Takstar: www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4006/takstar-hi-2050-now-isk-hf2010-headphones/p1
What bike do you have?
hey josh, I'm a teen audiophile
...i want to buy my first pair of audiophile speakers and i can't find what I'm looking for on the internet.. everything is quite vague. All I'm looking for is that live sound when you close your eyes you feel like you're actually sitting in front of a band... not sure if a wide soundstage is the term that describes it perfectly. can you suggest some speakers under $2000 and i also wanted to have like four speakers at four corners if that's needed for the kind of sound I'm looking for
Ayushmaan Lala All I can tell you is if you get a great pair of speakers you won’t need four. Can’t really recommend anything as I always go and try stuff personally. Trust your own ears
Thankyou.. where can i get to try those speakers.. are thers some international chains which deal in audiophile products ?
Just try and find a good local independent dealer. Tell him the set up you have and the sound you are after and also the kind of music you love. If the dealer is a good one he will steer you in the right direction. He may even let you demo the speakers at home
Alright thanks a lot
No problem. Keep me posted how you go on. I’m looking at buying some speakers soon myself. Narrowed it down to Klipsch Forte III,Tannoy Stirling and Harbeth Super HL5 Plus
Would you recommend any of these for studio recording/monitoring? If so, why?
Did he mention bass?
Two things I don't like about Audeze are their price policy and the comfort. The price of thier 2Cs should be obviously a bit lower and their 3s are out of my understanding. The comfort is average. They are quite comfortable the first hour or so. After you will start to feel the weight and your ears will get sweat considerably
You`re missing the lcd xC!
Do the X really not need an amp/dac? Not everyone seems to agree on this. Is there a sound quality difference between using an amp and not, or is it simply the volume?
Paranoid Android There is a sound quality difference in addition to volume. I highly suggest a good dac and amp for quality audio listening. However, a good dac/amp can not make up for crappy source material.
What's a phazer?
I have the opportunity to get a the LCD-3 for $1200 (open box deal) or a used LCD-X for $850. Would you still get the LCD-X??
LCD 3 has way more detail and lighter.
Would someone be able to explain what is meant by the term "phaser"?
Fazor you mean ? That's kind of a metal grill on the drivers to help airflow (better imaging and clarity)
Well done. We have different tastes but can I understand that the X’s highs would be ear piercing for me! Hmm Ryan Hickory seems to have a different conclusion on bass. I’ll have to double check, and check out metal571 new vid too.
Can I get the lcd x with protein leather rather than genuine leather?
Yes. Unfortunately :-P
@@KS0stli lol, yeah. I’m vegan, and can’t purchase these otherwise.
@@KS0stli do you know how it affects the sound?
@@speakersr-lyefaudio6830 Sorry, no idea. But I wouldn't eat either ;-)
@@KS0stli lol
I heard Planars Magnetics have a less presence of Sibilance. Can you comment.
How do these Audeze's compare against the Sennheiser 650? Is the LCD X really worth $900 more than the Sennheiser 650??
HD650 were my daily driver until I upgraded to the LCD-2C; upgraded being the operative word. I won't go into the specifics of each aspect of the sound but I can say that to my ears the 2Cs are a substantial enough upgrade over the 650s to warrant the extra cost. I can't speak for the Xs or the 3s as I have not heard them but if you're thinking of upgrading your 650s I'd say you couldn't go wrong with the 2Cs.
I currently have both in my collection and I have to say that the x wins in every department possible except for 650 having fuller vocals. bass, treble, mids all sound more detailed, faster, more controlled and clearer to me, soundstage is wider ect. Its a clear upgrade, the question is do you really need to spend 1.2k to enjoy your music.
fostex th x00?
Is Audeze death?
Inject this in my veins
ZMF Verite-Closed
I feel Audeze are the hardest headphones to review .
I think the dirty truth is 5 minutes after audeze designs a set of headphones they forget who they designed it for .
It also a set of headphones many reviewers come back to and rethink and lower their opinions . Initial thoughts vs 15 months later .
I love my LCD-2 and LCD-3 and my LCD-X and my LCD-XC but the LCD-4's got sent back. I would never be foolish enough to buy the LCD-2C for about 100.00 less than what is considered by every major reviewer as the second best headphones ever made (LCD-2) . So for about 100.00 more you get CNC machined bamboo cups case fazor angled jacks and A stock drivers and longer cable, Hello earth to Matilda ? I feel Both the LCD-X and the LCD-3 are each great for their intended niche .
Lets say they all are 500.00 bucks each, you are never going to buy The LCD-3 for portable use. It takes at least a watt just to get the LCD-3 going . Maybe if the LCD-X sounds better than the LCD-2C that has more to do with the amp? did you ever think most solid state amps output more power at 20 ohms than at 70 -110 Ohms ?
Logic tells me LCD-3 is for high end high output amps LCD-2C mid level amps and LCD-X no amps .
But did you compare the LCD 3 with the X ? I want to buy an X but also found a good deal on a 3, is the 3 superior in any way because people seem to rate them at the same level.
Why did you return the 4s? How’s the bass compare to the 2?
LCD-2c VS Amiron?
Are you joking? The Amiron is nowhere near.
@@Berkanann I have never listen to the Amiron but I read some good things about this headphone but I have listen to the DT1990 Pro and I liked it especially for mixing. But I need also a Headphone for just relaxed music sessions and for this is the 1990 Pro a bit to flat so I thought the Amiron is maybe a good choise. So what would you recommend for this apart from the LCD-2c?
@@althewicked get dt 1990
I wonder if LCD2 classic can eq to the sound of an lcd x with a schiit Loki? Any thoughts?
I've tried it, it still sounds different to my ears, the bass still felt a little more bloomy and while the recessed treble can be changed, its still lacking that little extra bit of detail in the x
Are 2Cs still worth in 2021?
He recently posted a video about this, the answer is yes they are.
@@1984kylea oya? which video?
@@YogaSusetya ruclips.net/video/xLH8AH103UA/видео.html&ab_channel=JoshuaValour
don't put them on so fast... ahh it pains me when I see other LCD owners do this..
I wish you could stop being so concerned with time limits, especially when you don't only mention but also repeat the impedance and sensitivity ratings.
A very lazy reviewer. He does not know how much the headphones weigh? LOOK IT MAN! You got all the rest of the specs...
Audeze nuts lmao
Basically the hd660s is the best headphone in the world pound for puond
I totally agree with you
@@emmanuelpalmer8108 i own the hd660s and i really like them, but they do not measure up against the lcd series. I own the x and it is a significant step up from the 660s!!
@@songboek i no longer own them now i have the clears. I tried the lcd-x and disliked it for me tonality was off
I like your reviews but your video editing starts to be horrible! You cut on words, and leave no space to breathe. Please do something about it!
Audeze LCD-2C vs LCD-X
I’m listening Heavy metal, Death metal
I would like to match it with
Fiio M17
Which one do you suggest as, I cannot find either one local
Favor instrument is “Drums” Thank you!