@@Name-cz5jj Or that those who chose not to take an invassive medical procedure that had not been properly vetted or tested should be put in concentration camps. Old man Chomsky would have been the guy helping to reassue those walking to the gas chamber that it's just a shower for their own good.
@@Name-cz5jj That's the sad thing about Noam... but let him be, he works behind his desk and not on the street. His answeres in THIS interview were great throughout!
Disagree on Chomsky's suggestion that it was possible for Russia to get Germany and France onboard. They tried that with Minsk II and it was sabotaged and invalidated by the US, encouraging Zelensky to abandon it. So Russia definitely tried it, Lavrov said it repeatedly.
Exactly - there was nothing Russia could have done apart from what they did. Biden announced that Russia were going to "invade" on 16 February because he knew the Ukrainuan regime was massively escalating their shelling of the Donbass to ensure Russia would have to do that.
The same Lavrov that also said that the maternity ward in Mariupol: * had not been bombed at all, just a groundless smear by Ukraine, then days later * had been blown up Ukrainians mishandling the basement ammo dump, week after * was regretfully bombed by Russia with success, as it was a Nazi fortress, but 2 month later: * the whole thing was a filmset, with actors playing victims and soldiers.
Fletcher - like most people - assumes he knows who the bad guy is but he has no clue why the bad guy is so bad and does all the bad things but knows that he has to be punished and if that results in a total annihilation of the planet, so be it. Chomsky tries to explain why the bad guy is so bad and how to deal with him to avoid Armageddon.
May be Fletcher was asking some of those questions deliberately; like the way the not so left leaning people pose questions to the leftists on these matters. So, I am better prepared to deal with answering those kind of questions than before I watched this interview. My two cents.
Many commentators here were mad about the interviewer bringing up mainstream media talking points/ questions. I was actually very thankful for that, cause in my discussions I hear exactly those kind of questions, so its good to hear that Chomsky answers to this kind of arguments. Anyways much better then the pure bubble talk on most channels - an all sides.
@@jolima He was repetitive because he was trying to get Chomsky to answer his questions instead of evading them. Unfortunately, Chomsky is the evasion King. He is an agitprop guy, not a truth guy. BS is his forte.
@@henrygarciga unfortunately don’t have anymore changes I blindly trust - everyone has blind spots. So the best one can do is gather a multitude of perspectives to get a more complex picture. (E.g used to like grey zone, then became clear how strongly the always follow the same narrative). But would also be thankful for new inspiration! (Rebel wisdom seems to try a synthesis view as of lately - not super deep, but nice to see someone, trying not to get stuck)
Great interview! I routinely listen to Chomsky on RUclips, this is one of the rare of the rarest instances I can remember where interviewer is pushing back on Chomsky, and in the process extracting increasingly clear, more distilled analysis. Really ENJOYED it! Thanks again, please keep up the good work, the world needs you more than ever now!
Good point. I hate it when the Noam fanboys don't dare to question their idol. For a while they didn't even dare to tell Noam to stop mumbling too far away from the microphone.
"Pushing back" implies that your opinion is right. You can disagree and present evidence as to why you disagree, but the concept of "pushing back" in certain leftist circles has such an arrogant, pompous undertone to it that I just ignore anyone who says it.
@@NN-ul4oy People respect Chomsky's opinion. That's not being a "fanboy." And you thinking that people being too shy to tell an old man that they can't hear him because they don't want to be rude is just evidence that you group people that you disagree with in a category and smear them as "fanboys."
@@nickkemp4979 You are underlining for fanboyism. Fuck your idols. When Noam mumbles and you can't understand him, just tell him. Either he gets it or he doesn't. Just wasting time to hear unaudible mumbling is no sign of respect, it's a sign of fanboyism! We need to strike back with capable personal. Noam is a genius. What are you talking about? He will take critisism easily, and if not, then we all know. Stop defending the indefensible! Cutting out criticism is a tool of the establishment! And, as you can see at other comments of myself here, I totally agree with what Noam is stating here, and also I make fun of the host not listening, not comprehending. So, what is your point???!
@@NN-ul4oy Yeah see this is you being completely divorced from reality and making stuff up in your own head. I never said Noam was a "genius." I said people respect his opinion. This isn't about people who are fans of Chomsky being able to critically think. This is about you not agreeing with Chomsky.
Mr. Fletcher, you are well in over your head. Trying to deflect on the role of the US and hence its geopolitical and financial interests at the expense of other nations, does in no way exonerate our role in the current crisis in Ukraine. Before you decide to interview a historian of Mr. Chomsky’s caliber, you should research the history of the region in question and formulate your questions accordingly!
Citizen World - CORRECT, BUT. . . . | You are right, the host wants t have it both ways, but, at the least, he tried; Noam Chomsky's presence compensates for the factual shortcomings of the host.
These questions are the type of questions in many people's minds. Interviewing is not like boxing. 😂 the purpose is for listeners to have a better understanding of the situation.
Bill Fletcher did a good job bringing up the question of the Russian leadership's own very non-progressive ambitions -- led to a good discussion instead of the usual BlackOrWhite Zone "anything touched by any Western anything means it is a CIA creation and puppet" vs. corporate media "The U.S. can only be a force for good everywhere at all times." Both of those sides are like stenographers that just repeat their side and ignore any other complicating questions. Here we get to have some serious journalist analysis that is open-eyed to look at more than just one side of a coin.
People are complaining about the interviewer not being knowledgeable enough and biased but I think he is a good representation for where most Americans are on this issue. I hope more people who don't fully understand what is going on in Ukraine find this video and take the time to listen, Chomsky does a great job of explaining things.
We're most americians are? Maybe l have a low opinion of americians but l thought yould be lucky if 10 percent know the reason for putins madness. It's becoming a death wish for putin, or the world!.
@@chrisschneiders6734 I'm not sure I follow your line of thinking. Most Americans think putin is the biggest threat to the world but as Noam pointed out most of the world regards the United States as the greatest threat to the rest of the world. As he said we are a violent rouge state.
I guess if you put it that way, then yes, he's sort of like a slightly more knowledgeable American. Basically though he doesn't know shit, and sounds like he learned all his info from the US State Dept.
Noam is a classic example of American left stuck in a binary universe where the criteria for victimhood is either bombed by Americans or not. Anyone else deserves all sympathy as long as the crimes are not perpetrated by the US. He lectures Ukrainians or Syrians that their suffering is not due to their immediate aggressor but some indirect action by America.Thus he undermines the right of protest of the oppressed because the oppressor is not US. Its called 'Westsplaining'. Noam is outdated. He failed to express his solidarity with Syrian freedom movement , he fails to sympathize with Ukrainians. The America centric left intellectualism is morally toothless. His desperate effort to find some kind of 'logic or reason' behind Russia's imperialist aggression is nothing but being fascist apologist. This is what happens when someone is old and senile , build his entire career on anti Americanism therefore can not deviate from that track because it threatens their own career and legacy.
Thanks for doing this! Noam Was brilliant! His grasp of history, his ready response, his refusal to be sidelined, was amazing. The truth of history has never been more important.
Exactly. Problem is Noam (fine linguist/social commentator) FAILS to reiterate history correctly. The US never promised not to enlarge NATO. . In fact, according to the CSCE Treaty which Gorbachev agreed to and the USSR signed, specifically allows any country to join any alliance it desires. To be sure Soviet views and Western approaches varied during & after the period of German unification, so I'll let Robert Zoellick, former Deputy Secretary of State during this time explain: ruclips.net/video/PB4C08m3JOY/видео.html Great red herring BTW: Mexico joins Chinese alliance.
@@treygowdyspurpletie9878 I’m sure he regrets venturing beyond linguistics, a decision which made him one of the most cited authors of the last century
@Trey Gowdy's Purple Tie@@robertferguson851 the death of Noam Chomsky will be the end of intelligent life in the USA... as this chat makes quite evident. Can you point one single fact that he brought up that is not real and documented? Btw, as a scholar he mention the sources.
@@ellea3344 --- SURE. | Only if Profr.-Dr. Chomsky were the editor-in-chief of the news media. You need only recall what you read in the eponymous book.
@@marianotorrespico2975 LoL. What a stupid qualifier. He's on every sht lib channel that will have him spewing and defending US authoritsrian and imperialism, advocating for war, censorship, and infringing on the right of WE the PEOPLE by way of force. He has become a fearful old man who cast aside what he preached for so long. He's no longer for free speech.
Indeed, there are only two men who tell it like it is, Noam Chomsky and Donald Trump. They make America great! Let's hear it for these true American patriots!
Apologies, commenting as am listening... the bit about the two NATO countries, Germany and France against the introduction of Ukraine to NATO... that may or may not be true... what is true is the the US "own" NATO. Who wanted to invade Iraq? How much protestation around the world in NATO countries against this invasion? One million people in the UK physically turned up in London to protest the invasion, REPEAT physically turned up (that's more than one percent of the entire population of the UK made the effort to physically turn up... the invasion still went ahead because the US wanted it and the UK, where I live, went along because that is what "we" have done since the end of WW2 (pretty much) - we do whatever the US "asks" us to do. What is happening in the Ukraine right now, and we have family there, was totally and utterly avoidable had the US agreed to dialog, had agreed to adhere to the agreement about NATO expansion (or lack of in fact) after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Iraq wasn't a NATO conflict. Many of the constituent states may have been involved, but NATO was not formally involved. Noam's point about other states merely being puppets and vassals is fairly depressing - no doubt rooted in his informed concepts of pragmatism and "the way of the world"(reminiscent of Mearshimer's imo). I think that Bill's point was salient. NATO nor the EU can accept the membership of countries with active combat zones within their borders(perhaps they can, but this would trigger immediate conflict and would be no different from the US launching air strikes). Noam didn't explore moralistic or functional differences between the behavior of superpowers vs. regional powers, nor did he really rip into Russian past aggression or their outrageous official statements regarding Ukraine. Instead we're treated to "that's how it is" regarding their behavior and a reinforcement of the Russian party line that its Anschluss referendum was in fact legitimate. Yeah, the US is shitty. Yeah, there are hawks within the US who wanted this to happen. I don't see much in the way of seeing through the eyes of the populace of former Soviet states. Nor do I see much in the way of exploring the purely moralistic angle of things like Mexico hosting Chinese missiles, or how nuclear subs patrol international waters rendering traditional concepts of "security" functionally obsolete.
100%!!! Even NOW, after everything, while propagandizing alot of the US population with fake 🇺🇦 solidarity, the US is still pouring weapons in, *knowing* that it’ll only prolong the conflict, instead of empowering Kiev to come to an agreement with Moscow in order to stop the killing.
I would submit that Professor Chomsky should have place greater emphasis on the evidence that elements within the U.S. government intentionally and successfully provoked Putin into doing what the rest of us thought was unthinkable (or at least profoundly mindless): ruclips.net/video/bpASSqz1hGc/видео.html
There is no real accounting here to the bunch of lies that Putin has proclaimed and his responsibility to previous horror aggressive military quite criminal offenses in the past.
The city of London has much to say about the doings on Wallstreet. The US government works with that gang So go easy on your lipservice of demonizing the US while praising the UK Neither does what it's citizens want!
Thank you professor. Says a retired general from my country regardingthis war. Televisions make us forget the past so we don't understand the present The present is this war.
What can we do? First off, stop hating the Russian people. They are like you and I. Their children are like our children and innocent victims of rampant imperialism. Their culture is rich and has contributed greatly to humanity. Don't become a participant in US idiocy. And don't seek to vilify Putin as the only culprit--there are two sides of equal criminality (as Noam has firmly stated in this interview).
....you missing the nature of international affairs...interviewer have a great chance for CNN, MSNBC or Colbert report. I really admire Chomsky’s patience.
Noam should have answered: "You are missing everything! What kind of an idiot are you?!" Yes, he was patient with Bill and explained in length what needs to be said. Bill didn't seem to understand but for me it was a nice treat.
Russia didn't seize Crimea FFS! Crimea had Russian military presence for a long time. The people of Crimea were therefore able to choose self determination as a consequence of that subsequent to the illegal coup of the democratically elected Ukrainian Government in February 2014. The outcome of the self determination was that Crimea voted to be part of Russia rather than be part of un undemocratically enforced NATO focussed Ukrainian government.
Putin's Pro-Russian invasion by Forced Influence was No Choice in Crimea, Georgia and Most Definitely NOT in Donbas. Putin PLANTED pro-Russian lunatics in each area, just as he plays chess. But now, the drugs that he's been on, and the thirst for Power has taken him by surprise, as he let himself get out of control... he tried to get Drumpf to make LUNACY the new normal... and he couldn't wait to jump on Ukraine. He moved too soon... and without a proper plan. He is a murderer.
@@eltorocal Hi eltoracal. We have friends and family in Crimea and in Donetsk. I do not (currently) believe them to be Pro-Russian lunatics planted by Putin. In fact over the years they have occasionally been very pissed off about Putin as I am sure we all are some or even most of the time with our our respective "leaders". The majority of them were not happy at all with the coup of the Ukrainian government even though they were not particularly happy with the government at the time. We also have/had a number of friends and family in Odessa and here it is different; we have family and friends who were and are completely polarised on the subject... but not in Crimea or Donetsk as I said. Admittedly, me and my family have not visited Ukraine (or Crimea) since 2014 for perhaps obvious reasons and so I am speaking second hand since then i.e. only from people I know and not with/from my own eyes. Perhaps they have been fooling me all this time. I am not being facetious when I say this but to paraphrase a famous quote, can't remember who from right at this moment... 'it is much easier to fool people than to convince people they have been fooled'. If you genuinely have real information on 'Putin having planted Pro-Russian lunatics" in those areas, I would be very grateful if you could share that. As a more science based than faith based person, I am very happy to hear facts that will show my understanding to be wrong. Thank you.
This guy actually brought up Syria as an argument for Russia to act without US meddling, Syria of all places where the CIA has had its highest spending in overseas "misadventure".
Haha yea , there is not a options for him Russian Federation has been in Gorgia, chechnya , syria and Ukraine. Now for USA , they have overthrowned over 50 countries/countries since ww2🤣 they should not be talking
@@wankertanker1813 the CIA project was called Timber Sycamore, it's pretty open information. There's lots of report on it but people still like to pretend it never happened.
Thank you so much for this discussion with Noam. Right now I cherish this discussion and one that I've seen with Glenn Greenwald on how to think and feel about the invasion of Ukraine.
@@JonathanRootD critical but not blindly. He's done all the research necessary to support what he says. I've never heard anyone find him wrong on facts. Corpse for corpse, the USA has done more harm to other countries.
He has a pretty selective view of history. The Soviets (Russians) brutally occupied Eastern Europe for almost 50 years. I was there and it was real. The Kremlin ordered invasions of Hungary 1944, East Germany 1953, Czechoslovakia 1968 and now Ukraine. These are real people in these counties, not part of a Grand Chess Game to be negotiated and bartered.
@@gilbertg7 what? What does being in nato have to do with ukraines neutrality? Lmao! You dont have to sign a treaty, and join a club to be on the usa's side against russia. If ukraine wants defensive missiles and an american base for a defensive position russia is just gonna have to deal with it. Nato or not a soverin country has the right to do whatever it wants within its own borders. Putin is just still a freaking communist. He sounds like an american who called the cops on his neighbor to have their guns confiscated because he was afraid. Russians are being ran by a bunch of scared and pathetic people right now, and the only reason the right likes him is because of the cultural heart strings he pulls. Make no mistake he is a stalin footstep follower, and he would rebuild the soviet union in a heart beat if he had the power
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and can pick who it wants to align with especially after being invaded in 2014. People forget there's been Democratic elections since then. Russia has no right to stop them and the US has no right to stop Mexico and who they want to align with. Nonsense arguments from Chomsky here. 🤦
@@3rdreichball525 I suppose the comic books you use as sources are very well documented. “What does being in nato have to do with ukraines neutrality?” Asking that question makes it pointless to discuss with you. “russia is just gonna have to deal with it” and it seems to being doing just that
@@kevinjohnson9533 Yep. I like them too. I also loved Stephen Cohen's terrific analyses back in the day - I only wish he was still with us. We could really use his wisdom today.
There is no expantionist agenda in Russia, even according to our own intelligence agencies, Russia only acts defensively..Crimea houses 1 of only 2 of Russia's naval bases, the other is in Syria, which is completely left out of all conversations, which explains their actions..The people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to be part of Russia and voted accordingly, and Syria invited Russia within it's borders..America is committing war crimes by occupying Syria..Russia claimed article 51 when starting their military operation in Ukraine, which you also never hear about, and they make a legitimate case, better than any case America or NATO ever made, when claiming article 51 and destroying countries, furthermore, Russia could have destroyed all the infrastructure and industry like America does when they invade all over the planet, but they didn't do that, saving the lives of tens of thousands and the infrastructure, while losing many of their own soldiers lives as a result..This is an American proxy war, it's transparently obvious, as we've seen them over and over and over again..Ukraine is already a member of NATO if they possess billions of dollars worth of NATO weapons, training, etc.,Nato won't come to their defense with boots on the ground, but it is the weapons that Russia objects to..Russia destroyed the Nazi's in world war 2, there is a huge difference in Russia and the Nazi's in Ukraine, don't be ignorant...Look at the crimes the Nazi's in Ukraine are committing, including the crimes Russia is being blamed for, but is obviously innocent of...Russia tried for over a decade with diplomacy, including the Minsk agreement that was agreed to by America/Ukraine/France/Germany, but was never allowed to be implemented by America and the hardcore Nationalists (Nazi's) in Ukraine, instead they went forward with an ethnic cleansing campaign, killing 14,000 Russian speakers in the Donbass, and when Ukraines Azov battalion gathered on the borders of the Donbass to exterminate the population, is when Russia stepped in, which you never hear about either, but, all facts, not my opinion..This guy only wants to vilify Putin..He believes all the American propaganda..Russia is winning in Ukraine, they never planned to capture Kiev, they positioned their soldiers there so they could build a land bridge from the Donbass to Crimea, while keeping most of Ukraines soldiers tied up, when they accomplished that goal, they withdrew...Don't believe American propaganda, not only can't Ukraine stop Russia, but even if Nato got involved, they would be destroyed, according to our own militaries documents...
It's obvious our gov't is aware of the impact that alt-platforms are having on the spread of truth and not only are they terrified by it, but they're seriously regretting the steps they took to implement all the censorship & algorithm suppressions they were once so proud of. Some YT content creators like, Jimmy Dore, Gonzalo Lira, The Duran & Russell Brand are doing great, but smaller ones put out by actual Chechen Special Forces, Patrick Lancaster, clips of Robert Barnes & Col. Douglas McGregor, and blocked channels from Russia, are garnering around a total of 15-20 MILLION views per DAY, bc they're being re-shared over & over across a multitude of platforms. This is almost 6th gen warfare. It's being fought by the ppl, not all those blue-checkmarks, who think they control everything. Or even, I hate to say it, this interviewer. He's poorly informed on the history of Ukraine, even the most recent. Great comment. Thanks for posting!
Thanks for your comment. The current narrative will/is collapsing for those who do their due diligence. The U.S., and the Western nations have gone insane. They will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Also interesting to notice the U.S. setting itself up profits as the E.U. takes the hit from the blowback from sanctions. I wrote, “the West” as if that was all that matters. That’s wrong and misleading. A very large portion of the world recognizes the profound untrustworthiness of the so called West, and especially the lies and betrayals of the U.S.
@@cheese186 Not a word of propaganda, how would Russia propagandize me, an American with a masters degree in political science and I spent a decade in military intelligence, you are a fool...
@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 you are the fool if you think I will believe that you have military intelligence experience after all the nonsense you just talked about, like the "14,000 russian speakers being killed in the Donbass", or the "this is an american proxy war" but then to say "they wont dare get involved, since our own docs say we'd be destroyed". Not to mention how the Crimea referendum was held after the russians took over the land, with blatant violation of international legislation, and how the russians ignored the Budapest memorandum to begin with, since you care so much about Minsk. Or how corrupted were the relationships between Russia and EU members like Germany, literally buying very influential leaders like Schröder.
The interviewer seems to have never read or listened to Chomsky before. He's asking him the same dumb questions Noam has been asked, and answered definitively, a thousand times before. Noam Chomsky, correctly and consistently, has no interest in critiquing or condemning OTHER countries and their regimes and their actions if they are 'official enemies' of the U.S. and its allies. The reason is obvious: he and we have zero influence on what THOSE countries, regimes, etc. do or do not do. In fact, the more we join the demonizing thereof, the more we actually legitimize and provide cover for OUR governments and THEIR wrongdoing. Highlighting the bad motives and bad actions of the official enemies of the U.S. and West in general is only joining the vast chorus of official and semi-official strategic communications and propaganda by the U.S., West, and their allies and clients. Just as we would expect e.g. Russian Federation dissidents and critics to focus on the doings and policies of "the Putin regime" and would not insist that they also, if not preferentially, mount critiques of the U.S., West, and the allies of the Russian Federations' official enemies, we ought not, and ought not expect, nay *demand*, that we and our fellow U.S. and Western dissidents and critics to focus on the doings and politics of THEIR (the enemies') regimes and governments. This is a simple moral principle, included inter alia in the New Testament and ostensibly articulated by Jesus of Nazareth. When Rodney King was filmed being brutally beaten by LAPD officers in the early 1990s, the job of critics and leftists in general, was NOT to join in in the demonization of Rodney King, and how he was "no angel". He could've been the Devil himself and it would still be a total waste of time to focus on THAT rather than the illegal, criminal acts of the LAPD officers. The latter acted in OUR (City of Los Angeles citizens/residents) names and using OUR delegated authority. We have a say in what they do, they're accountable to us. Noam Chomsky's praxis has never been about "virtue signaling" and being "compatible with" and "pleasant to" the U.S./Western powers-that-be and (manufactured) public opinion.
"He and we have zero influence on what THOSE countries" I do have some influence since I have been sending money to humanitarian relief agencies in Ukraine. Beside that, you're right, we cannot influence directly but I have written to my Congresspeople to continue to support Ukraine with weapons and intelligence and increase sanctions on Russia.
Fletcher completely embarrassed himself here and demonstrates he is nothing but a neoliberal shill and pro imperialist, so many falsehoods and outright lies!
@@jakobson219 With Weapons????????????How many weapons can the US produce and give away, E.G. ISIS, Al Queda etc before it understands IT HAS NO FUCKING RIGHT TO MEDDLE IN THE AFFAIRS OF SOVEREIGN NATIONS?
Bill Fletcher, it would be a good idea for you to interview Aaron Matte of the Grayzone about the Ukraine War and US imperialism. You seem to be bias to the US.
Unfortunately, by keeping Fletcher around, it looks like TRN is changing their "business model" to faux progressive (think TYT, etc.), leaving it up to us to go directly to the source for insights from true progressive sites like the Grayzone: ruclips.net/video/bpASSqz1hGc/видео.html
The same noam that claimed a 'blowback', not inside job, explanation for 9/11, you mean ? Also known as 'who cares?' ( about 9/11) chomsky. That old fakir should retire, and take chris hedges and amy goodman with him.
He made a second one in 2019 called, "Revealing Ukraine" that's equally as good. There's also a GREAT documentary made by French-Ukrainian filmmaker named Anne-Laure Bonnel called, "Donbass (2016)", which is free over on bitchute & there are some versions with English subtitles. It is truly heart breaking. ALL of these facts were well known by our politicians, so it's just disgusting how they're crafting this narrative to paint Zelenskyy as some of hero. They're fully aware of what kind of totalitarian monster he is & that Putin has been asking for 8 years for the kiIIing of ethnic Russians to stop. Yet they call Putin the mad man. It's sick.
Also, why nobody mentions Ukraine invading Iraq along with US and Britain? Contingent wasn’t big, only about 5000 to 7000 troops, but it’s the intent and involvement that matters.
@@mr1001nights That is unlikely. Good training is not to be had in misconceived projects. What it is doing is giving the US a very good look at Russian military weaknesses and strengths- one of the US's many war-aims.
Maybe. Or he is parroting the prevailing narrative in order to get Chomsky's direct response to it. In any case, we get Chomsky's counter arguments, which is informative and handy 😉
E.G. Butler - YET HE TRIED. | Yes, that is the intellectual problem with the Liberal American, standing in the middle of the road, in order to be neither for it nor against it, but loyal to the U.S.A.
While yet further ignoring the prominent Nazi component that infiltrated the Ukrainian politics. The prominent nazi movement that was sponsored by US in its desire to drag Russia into a war.
I so not appreciate Bill's biased question and sins of omission in context of the premise of his question. Cold war national security state social Dems?
This is the kind of interview from a left perspective that is so disappointing. Bill seems genuinely perplexed as to why Russia and Russia alone does not follow rules based order and comes back to this theme repeatedly. Don't we get enough of the clutching of pearls from mainstream media? Chomsky made it abundantly clear that Russia's act was a supreme violation. It boggles the mind that the endless violations of the out-of-control hegemon that is the USA is constantly put aside to focus on one side. This is deceptive when looking at nations and their geopolitical concerns and power grabs. There are no good guys but the biggest threat to this planet is the USA. If I want the blinders on take, or devil's advocate I can find that on news bought and paid for by all the American oligarchs.
@@eldeluxo Both. Unipolarity with the US on top is disaster for the rank and file of every country. Of course, every oligarch of every country will love it.
@@oswarzYou are clearly out to lunch and no understanding of how evil the Russian and Chinese regimes are. I would suggest getting out and seeing the world.
Kudos to Chomsky for his patient and faithful replies to the totally one-sided, grueling and somewhat intentionally side-stepping questions/challenges.
It breaks my heart to see Chomsky lie outright. Russia attempted to negotiate along Minsk lines for from 2014~2015 to the early part of this year. Saying, "they grabbed the guns *right away*" is an outright fabrication.
He certainly loves blaming victims of genocide for their own genocide. Bosnians were massacred because of US policy, just like Ukrainians were invaded because of NATO policy, Neither was because Serbs pursued a policy of ethnic cleansing, or Putin purued conquest. Far from a gem, he is a monster.
People always forget Korea. It is estimated over 20% of the entire population of North Korea was killed in the US air campaign even though most of the fighting took place along the border. This was a country that never attacked America yet the Americans dropped more bombs on Korea than they dropped on Germany or Japan in WW2.
According to Wikipedia: "The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea.[21] By comparison, the U.S. dropped 1.6 million tons in the European theater and 500,000 tons in the Pacific theater during all of World War II (including 160,000 on Japan). North Korea ranks alongside Cambodia (500,000 tons), Laos (2 million tons), and South Vietnam (4 million tons) as among the most heavily-bombed countries in history, with Laos suffering the most extensive bombardment relative to its size and population."
@@johnmilton2077 Thanks for that. I had a look at Wikipedia (who I donate to) and in their breakdown they said the British dropped 964,644 tons of bombs on Germany and the Americas dropped 623,418 ton on Germany (so, they dropped even more bombs on the rest of Europe).
@@johnmilton2077 Makes you think why they dropped so many on a civilian population in Germany, a country that was already on the verge of defeat. They kept it up even when they were already defeated. And we are talking about major population centers. Inner cities where civilians lived.
@@luperamos7307 The British in particular aimed at reducing German cities to Rubble, especially in city centres where the finest culturally significant buildings were. That suggests to they were no just trying to terrorize the German civilians, but to destroy their culture as well.
Bill, great interview, good questions, Noam lays out clearly the options out there for the western powers, the U.S. as the world isn’t a pretty place to keep fighting till the last Ukrainian putting his life on the line.
A slightly different perspective here... and that is that Ukraine might want to have a say in their own future, which also might be the reason they put their lives on the line at all. This conflict goes far beyond another USA/Russia contest
Why does Chomsky deny the former Warsaw Pact countries a right to determine their future ? He refers to them as "Russian satellites". He further refers to them as"Russia's red line". He engages in the same Cold War rhetoric he often derides- only from Russia's view. Ukraine and the rest of the former Soviet Block have a right to self determination.
Truly, by arguing from a alance of power perspective that Russia was in the right (Crimea) and US wrong (fight to last drop of Ukrainian blood), Chomsky is merely falling back on his long-held disdain for US foreign policies, AND contradicting himself. Ah, the bliss of old age,....
This was good. Noams' final words on Ukraine were enlightening yet perhaps puzzling to some. Many ad campaigns and mainstream medias are promoting this idea that we need to support Ukrainians. This is a very troubling contradiction. 🤔😵💫🤖 "We dont have much time"
The Ukrainians could be supported by giving donations for the purpose via a Russian embassy or a Russian organization set up for the purpose - then it would reach the people in the east of Ukraine who have been living under siege and artillery bombardment for more than eight years - and not end up in the hands of the Kiev government, who are responsible for the attack on the eastern region. The fighting is now anyway contained within the east and south east of Ukraine, the Russians having withdrawn their forces from other areas - never having attempted to occupy either the far west or north west of the country.
56:00 - I favour the second option: Prohibit all nations bordering Russia from ever becoming members of NATO. These would then be buffer states, that would not only work in Russia's favour but also the West's favour. The US doesn't seem to want that, they seem to prefer option 1 which is war so that their arms manufacturers can get more business. The only winners in any war are the arms manufacturers.
Bill Fletcher Jr: You've laid down the responsibility of the US but I want to focus on the criminality of the Putin regime. Jct: As if we couldn't tell your narrative is Putin bad, NATO CIA Nazis good.
All bad boys in the class, for the last 20 years of wars have achieved nothing only the destruction of countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, now Yemen, and Ukraine. Glorified murder on all sides...no good boys in the class...people would want to wake up "dying for your country" now means dying for National Interest otherwise called Globalized multi-nationals interests. There are nearly 8 Billion people in the world...but our future is in the hands of about 600 ...and that is Democracy..well not from where I am sitting
The idea that nuclear armed Russia has to fear a land invasion from NATO and possibly Ukraine is preposterous. The Kremlin ordered invasions of Hungary 1944, East Germany 1953, Czechoslovakia 1968 and now Ukraine.
Actually, Russia (Putin) does fear an invasion from the West: An invasion of ideas & principles. Rule of law - western aggression. Free & fair elections: Western propaganda. No wonder XI is Puti's "Beijing buddy". Two peas.
@@ericvardek4108 shhhhh... you can't say this in the presence of the great Noam and his sheep followers! Remember: whatever happens in the world is America's fault. Start there and you won't stray from the path of Comrade Noam and his homies.
I would submit that much of the "pushback" was either redundant or misinformed (completely omitting the context of what happened in 2014, for example). ruclips.net/video/bpASSqz1hGc/видео.html
@@kodowdus that’s why it’s great. It allows for the opportunity to clear up the record and provide context to what most people feel is a confusing conflict.
I rather had the impression that Chomsky felt like talking to Bill being an elementary school kid knowing nothing about what's going on and not willing to learn.
@@NN-ul4oy Bill’s insistence on pointing the finger at Russia and his obsession with analyzing Putin’s mind is a distraction. Weeks ago he appeared in another debate where he says we must understand the mind of Putin (ruclips.net/video/cM3ZWUlb4wA/видео.html). The other speakers disagree with him. Chomsky clarifies these points further here: youtu.be/
30:41 "You are missing the nature of international affairs!" 33:00 "...because they are terrified of our violent rogue state!" Great points, Noam! With this interview you hit it again and showed more comprehension than most about the Ukraine situation. 58:14 "I hope that you enjoyed this as much as I did." No, I don't think Bill enjoyed Noam's standpoints since Bill showed a lack of comprehension throughout the interview and didn't seem to accept or even understand Noam's easy to understand explanations. It was off Bill's world. Bill wanted to talk about evil Russia and Noam didn't let it happen for the right reasons! Thanks for letting Noam make his points, but for the way Bill lead this interview I would not subscribe.
Yeah, most normal people find it hard to understand how the atrocities committed by Russian troops in Ukraine are the fault of the US. It takes a particularly twisted mind to understand that.
The way you attack Bill saying that he showed a "lack of comprehension" reminds me of how cryptocurrency fanatics say the same thing about people who think that cryptocurrency is pointless when it really is. I think Bill understood things very well. Putin IS evil and he has no legitimate reasons for invading Ukraine, or for allowing his soldiers to commit terrible war crimes without holding them accountable, or for burying his own soldiers in mass graves or even incinerating their bodies in order to cover up their deaths. The fact that Noam is so quick to talk crap about the US and the West but he can't even really call out Putin for doing MUCH MUCH worse things should tell you a lot.
@@randychase9931 Then YOU didn't listen to the video above: Noam was very well critizising Russia, stating, that the war is a criminal attack, that it would have been smarter for Russia to pratice statesmanship trying to ally with France and Germany. So, there it is, but apparently since you didn't listen and want to emphazise on state propaganda you tell us all the same story here. And what has cryptocurrency to do with it all? You are mixing up people you don't like. Noam is completely right, the United States have been committing huge crimes all the time and have little to no right to point the finger at the crimes of Russia, especially when the US was meddling as usual in the Ukraine as they did, ignoring all the warnings of smart people.
High respects to this sincere man. god gave him a long life and health🇷🇸👍🍀🍀🍀 ..only such people can wash America after many lies, wars and quarrels among nations caused by the rulers of the world in the name of America .. regards from Serbia🍀🍀☮️🇷🇸
@@jakobson219 😂😂😂Serbs "killed" Arab peoples,killed Iraqis, Libyans, Somalias, jordanians, and waged wars around the world becose of oil or NATO ??? You “know” what hapend in Yugoslavia??? you and those who have conceived all these lies and misled our peoples in the Balkans and are quarreling all over the world.. You are some descendant colonialists and imperialists or you are also a liar trying to spread a lie and manipulation here about Serbs. The Serbs were occupied by the Ottoman Empire 600 years in the past, by Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914 WW1, Hitler havy bombing in 1941 WW2 and 1999 by NATO also.. Serbs have lost 3 milion lives in the last 100 years. These first three occuiers not exist more. NATO is just left👎☺️ You should be ashamed of the shadows of the dead Serbs.☮️🇷🇸
Ukraine only obtained Crimea as an administrative move by Krushchev to consolidate power as new head of the USSR when it was presumed Ukraine and Russia would be the same nation. Crimea was never part of Ukraine otherwise, not even during its brief independence post WW1.
I have questions: did Ukraine cut off water to Crimea? Is Russia sending ships carrying water to Crimea? Did Russia ask Ukraine for cooperation building a land bridge to Crimea for transporting potable water?
For once I don't agree completely with Chomsky. I do agree with his historical depictions but I think he completely missed points that I think are crucial: What do Ukrainians want and what will Ukraine's government accept. To me that is the only reason to continue supporting the war - the Ukrainians want to continue fighting. The thing that makes me doubt if Putin's grasp on reality has slipped is that he attacked Ukraine and not the already warring eastern regions only. That would have been much easier for western allies to accept. Germany would still be on Russia's side and Sweden/Finland would not have joined Nato.
Bill, you just need to do your homework and not just repeating media talking points. Start with the Budapest agreement - Ukraine never had nuclear weapons of their own, they hosted Russian-controlled missiles. Then google Maidan ... Honestly, it's probably a lost cause with you.
Noam Chomsky is the voice of reason and the defense of true liberties,the fighter for the just causes!!!may I have a deep and profound thought of Christopher Hitchens,a man who would surely have been on the free and right side of the history,a mentor and really a fierce debater and is deerly missed, I really cannot respond without mentioning his name,as like was Bertrand Russell!!!those are the ones who spread all their knowledge and fierce intellect to educate one another on such very important topics!!! listening is the OUTMOST RESPECT we could have to be more mindful of the events which are unfolding!!!!🙏🙏🇺🇦⛅⛅⛅✌️
I have watched literally hundreds of interviews with Noam Chomsky and this is one of the best. Interviewer does a great job with follow up questions, unlike most others. Forces Chomsky to explain himself and counter more conservative takes.
Mikhail Molchanov in the chat said: "Russia did try to draw Germany and France into a pan-European security alliance. With regards to Ukraine it was called the Minsk agreements. They failed. France and Germany torpedoed them." Good comment however I am not certain about the last point, I suspect it is the USA that torpedoed the agreements - makes a lot of sense after all. Germany and France were all in favor but then had to bow to the empire of lies. Europe is nothing more than a US military base, lets not forget that.
I agree more with the host here than with Mr. Chomsky, with all due respect. You cannot justify a crime by constantly bringing up another crime, which is what a lot of people seem to be doing nowadays.
You need to listen to Mr. Chomsky with open ears! He condemns the criminal invasion of Ukraine! He also brings to your attention the very current atrocities committed by our country! Our country is the biggest criminal force internationally!
You cannot expect Russia and China to watch the US violate every rule to increase it's advantage over them and then expect them to follow the rules. Russia is fighting the US here, if the US had not interfered in Ukraine this would not be happening. At some point the US must bear responsibility for it's actions.
@@hairlessape5107 Nothing justifies a war! Zelensky is a complete puppet and has sold his soul to the devil! Russia was provoked by the US. Russia ought to have had negotiations with the West about Ukraine BEFORE invading Ukraine! Ukraine had no chance in hell to withstand Russia in a military battle, and this UGLY war is indeed between Russia & the West. Tragically, Ukrainians are the victims of this UGLY war! Boris Johnson is having more babies Joe Biden's son, Hunter, is continuing with his illegal activities Emanuel Macron was RE ELECTED (Thanks to Dominion voting machines) The increasing cost of living in the West is blamed on the war by the "politicians"!!!!!!!!
Recognising the order of things is not justifying anything. I'd argue that the actual 'whataboutism' that's occuring here is happening on the part of the interviewer.
Chomsky thoroughly condemned the Russian Military invasion of Ukraine at the beginning of this interview so it didn't seem to me that he was "justifying" the Russian action.
Pointing out the US wrongdoingin Iraq does NOT justify Russian wrongdoing in Ukraine. Were we right to support a revolution in Cuba in the early 60's? Before Russia took over Crimea, Ukraine was neutral! Your idea of a peaceful settlement would cripple Ukraine's economy (giving up both energy rich regions) and make them dependent upon Russia. Not a great choice. What about if Mexico demanded we give back Texas ?
Russia had other options to block Ukraines membership to Nato, and Zelenksy agreed to pull out from the application very early on. Russia does not have a real security threat; they may feel that way but Russia is one of 2 major nuclear power. They feared waining influence in europe that is not the same thing. All of this cold war analysis to provide context is irrelvant. It's been over 30 years Russia needs to move on from it's imperial ambitions. I also don't understand how Chomsky can blaming bombing for 'instigating' atrocities. It's easy but not helpful to blame US foriegn policy for everything wrong in the world.
@@jakobson219 yea, because he's on point with this. and to the other guy up there, this is happening since 8 years, explicitly aimed at the russian speaking "orks" fueled by insane hate ruclips.net/video/hUcFKAmsgLs/видео.html done by the US coup& pumped up, dubious ukr government, done to their own citizens. not even mentioning the ukr- inherent, historical & actual nazi problem, having rouge hordes brutalizing the eastern population, proudly! public humiliation of "orks" (daring to use the very similar russian language, ..or just being sinti/roma or whatever next) became increasingly normal in ukr to, in broad daylight, in the middle of kiev. ruclips.net/video/TVz-kScY58Q/видео.html the actual situation is way worse. saying that the ukr regime doesn't pose a threat to russia is conveniently ignorant and exactly the reason why this war situation escalation was and is happening in the first place, grotesquely cheered on! the media coverage in "the world community" is to imo unprecedented degree, siloed off, orwellian fiction 🙈🙉🙊
Chomsky doesnt say anything about how the former USSR republics was themselves asking to join nato. Nato never forced anyone in. They wanted in because they hayed russia. Ask any pole or baltic person. So how can the US - or anyone - decide on the part of all these countries that they cannot join nato. Nobody wanted to invade russia, but they wanted out of an abusive relationship. So as much as I used to respect Chomsky - I am starting to see how he seem biased against the west, by avoiding to mention some things like the will of soverign countries. He also neglects to mention that putin is a dictator and has removed all opposition
The something that was missing, 'the elephant in the room', was and is the Minsk Accords. On the day he announced the decision to launch what he called a special mission to rescue the peoples of Luhansk and Donetsk. from a war of genocide which had been going on for eight years Putin was very clear about the justification for his 'invasion' of Ukraine. He had moreover a request from the leaders of those two countries to undertake a peace reaching mission and provide them with security, as well as restoring their Constitutional borders. The Minsk Accords, the justification Putin offered for the initial invasion, were never mentioned during this discussion. For the above reasons I must dispute Chomsky's assertion that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was, beyond dispute something that could be decreed without need for discussion to be, an international crime. The Minsk Accords were two identical treaties (the first being utterly ignored - approximately 14,000 ethnic Russian Ukrainians were killed in 2014 ) signed in 2014 and 2015 by France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine and ratified by the United Nations Security Council. Putin, aware that no one else was going to uphold the latter treaty, which Ukraine never observed, undertook to enforce it unilaterally - that was not an illegal never mind a criminal action, it was a praiseworthy one - an action that the United Nations should have undertake with the help of France and Germany as well as Russia. By this point Putin was also evoking Article 51 of the UN Charter - Group defense - something else which was not mentioned. The Russians moving into the remainder of Ukraine was without doubt a criminal action (although Article 51 might again be invoked), but at that point they had no choice if the Dombas Region was to remain secure. It needs to be remembered that at the time the Russians moved into the Dombas Region there were more than 100,000 Kiev Government troops deployed along the 'line of contact' (the populations of Luhansk and Donetsk having been compressed into small areas near the Russian border) Those troops were assembled for a final sweep into those two areas to clear them of ethnic Russian Ukrainians, a genocidal attack. Those who did not flee to Russia could only have stayed where they were and probably killed. This from 2014 is interesting, especially if any one has doubt about the existence of Nazi ideas in Ukraine ruclips.net/video/ICkcyt87Lw0/видео.html What remains of that assembly of Ukrainian Government troops is now trapped by Russian Forces in the Dombas Region. I don't expect the Russians to treat them kindly if they do not surrender. Putin will have in mind what it was they intended to do.
Very good. The Minsk Accords not implemented and the US funding and training the Nazi infiltrated, anti-Russian Ukrainian government forces gave Russia no choice but to invade.
@@deonliebenberg3445 Noam "covered" that by pointing out that there are *technically* not "illegal" moves which are "morally" criminal. It also follows from his overall approach that it really makes very little difference whether actions by an official enemy government are technically or actually "war crimes" or "violations of international law" since the latter is neither self-enforcing nor has it ever been enforced against the U.S. and its allies and clients, even after official declarations and court judgments. If it's "good enough" for the U.S. and its allies to do and get away with, it is cynically "good enough" for any other Power to do it and get away with it.
I just watched the video in the link. It is shocking, but also very short, missing context and not enough proof to start a war. Who is that guy? Is there more information like this? Any official documents?
Afghan children are starving. God bless Noam Chomsky for never forgetting what is most important.
Yemeni children too.
@@Name-cz5jj Or that those who chose not to take an invassive medical procedure that had not been properly vetted or tested should be put in concentration camps. Old man Chomsky would have been the guy helping to reassue those walking to the gas chamber that it's just a shower for their own good.
no children should be forgotten or be more important than other. I hope you donated your money to Afghan children this month, too.
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That's the sad thing about Noam... but let him be, he works behind his desk and not on the street.
His answeres in THIS interview were great throughout!
So are Syrian's ruclips.net/video/WQ49AdOZSVs/видео.html
In my humble opinion, when this man talks, we all should listen and learn what he has to say, my regards from Australia 🇦🇺.
true, because he turned out to be right about lots of things
Disagree on Chomsky's suggestion that it was possible for Russia to get Germany and France onboard. They tried that with Minsk II and it was sabotaged and invalidated by the US, encouraging Zelensky to abandon it. So Russia definitely tried it, Lavrov said it repeatedly.
In Spanish we say: Hay que hablar con el dueño del circo, no con los payasos. I agree completely.
Exactly - there was nothing Russia could have done apart from what they did. Biden announced that Russia were going to "invade" on 16 February because he knew the Ukrainuan regime was massively escalating their shelling of the Donbass to ensure Russia would have to do that.
how was it sabotaged by USA?
The same Lavrov that also said that the maternity ward in Mariupol:
* had not been bombed at all, just a groundless smear by Ukraine, then days later
* had been blown up Ukrainians mishandling the basement ammo dump, week after
* was regretfully bombed by Russia with success, as it was a Nazi fortress, but 2 month later:
* the whole thing was a filmset, with actors playing victims and soldiers.
Fletcher - like most people - assumes he knows who the bad guy is but he has no clue why the bad guy is so bad and does all the bad things but knows that he has to be punished and if that results in a total annihilation of the planet, so be it. Chomsky tries to explain why the bad guy is so bad and how to deal with him to avoid Armageddon.
@RGK yes. No one should assume they know anything before consulting with Comrade Chomsky.
Are you talking about US?
May be Fletcher was asking some of those questions deliberately; like the way the not so left leaning people pose questions to the leftists on these matters. So, I am better prepared to deal with answering those kind of questions than before I watched this interview. My two cents.
... and Fletcher still did not understand anything.
@@jakobson219
no one should listen to you, paid troll
Many commentators here were mad about the interviewer bringing up mainstream media talking points/ questions. I was actually very thankful for that, cause in my discussions I hear exactly those kind of questions, so its good to hear that Chomsky answers to this kind of arguments. Anyways much better then the pure bubble talk on most channels - an all sides.
ok the interviewer is also very repetitive :p
we don't expect so-called progressives to bring up corporate talking points
What channels do you follow and trust ?
@@jolima He was repetitive because he was trying to get Chomsky to answer his questions instead of evading them. Unfortunately, Chomsky is the evasion King. He is an agitprop guy, not a truth guy. BS is his forte.
@@henrygarciga unfortunately don’t have anymore changes I blindly trust - everyone has blind spots. So the best one can do is gather a multitude of perspectives to get a more complex picture. (E.g used to like grey zone, then became clear how strongly the always follow the same narrative). But would also be thankful for new inspiration! (Rebel wisdom seems to try a synthesis view as of lately - not super deep, but nice to see someone, trying not to get stuck)
Great interview! I routinely listen to Chomsky on RUclips, this is one of the rare of the rarest instances I can remember where interviewer is pushing back on Chomsky, and in the process extracting increasingly clear, more distilled analysis. Really ENJOYED it! Thanks again, please keep up the good work, the world needs you more than ever now!
Good point. I hate it when the Noam fanboys don't dare to question their idol. For a while they didn't even dare to tell Noam to stop mumbling too far away from the microphone.
"Pushing back" implies that your opinion is right. You can disagree and present evidence as to why you disagree, but the concept of "pushing back" in certain leftist circles has such an arrogant, pompous undertone to it that I just ignore anyone who says it.
@@NN-ul4oy People respect Chomsky's opinion. That's not being a "fanboy." And you thinking that people being too shy to tell an old man that they can't hear him because they don't want to be rude is just evidence that you group people that you disagree with in a category and smear them as "fanboys."
@@nickkemp4979
You are underlining for fanboyism.
Fuck your idols.
When Noam mumbles and you can't understand him, just tell him. Either he gets it or he doesn't. Just wasting time to hear unaudible mumbling is no sign of respect, it's a sign of fanboyism! We need to strike back with capable personal.
Noam is a genius. What are you talking about? He will take critisism easily, and if not, then we all know. Stop defending the indefensible! Cutting out criticism is a tool of the establishment!
And, as you can see at other comments of myself here, I totally agree with what Noam is stating here, and also I make fun of the host not listening, not comprehending.
So, what is your point???!
@@NN-ul4oy Yeah see this is you being completely divorced from reality and making stuff up in your own head. I never said Noam was a "genius." I said people respect his opinion. This isn't about people who are fans of Chomsky being able to critically think. This is about you not agreeing with Chomsky.
Keep America Out of Ukraine
Not our country
Not our place
Not our business
Russia is Not our enemy ✌️
Mr. Fletcher, you are well in over your head. Trying to deflect on the role of the US and hence its geopolitical and financial interests at the expense of other nations, does in no way exonerate our role in the current crisis in Ukraine.
Before you decide to interview a historian of Mr. Chomsky’s caliber, you should research the history of the region in question and formulate your questions accordingly!
Citizen World - CORRECT, BUT. . . . | You are right, the host wants t have it both ways, but, at the least, he tried; Noam Chomsky's presence compensates for the factual shortcomings of the host.
Well said, citizen world
These questions are the type of questions in many people's minds. Interviewing is not like boxing. 😂 the purpose is for listeners to have a better understanding of the situation.
@@TheVafa95 the listeners also can’t be mislead by unclear questions that tend to confuse by the nature of their formulation!
Bill Fletcher did a good job bringing up the question of the Russian leadership's own very non-progressive ambitions -- led to a good discussion instead of the usual BlackOrWhite Zone "anything touched by any Western anything means it is a CIA creation and puppet" vs. corporate media "The U.S. can only be a force for good everywhere at all times." Both of those sides are like stenographers that just repeat their side and ignore any other complicating questions. Here we get to have some serious journalist analysis that is open-eyed to look at more than just one side of a coin.
People are complaining about the interviewer not being knowledgeable enough and biased but I think he is a good representation for where most Americans are on this issue. I hope more people who don't fully understand what is going on in Ukraine find this video and take the time to listen, Chomsky does a great job of explaining things.
We're most americians are? Maybe l have a low opinion of americians but l thought yould be lucky if 10 percent know the reason for putins madness. It's becoming a death wish for putin, or the world!.
Why aren’t they talking about Will Smith and the Oscars ?
@@chrisschneiders6734 I'm not sure I follow your line of thinking. Most Americans think putin is the biggest threat to the world but as Noam pointed out most of the world regards the United States as the greatest threat to the rest of the world. As he said we are a violent rouge state.
I guess if you put it that way, then yes, he's sort of like a slightly more knowledgeable American. Basically though he doesn't know shit, and sounds like he learned all his info from the US State Dept.
Noam is a classic example of American left stuck in a binary universe where the criteria for victimhood is either bombed by Americans or not. Anyone else deserves all sympathy as long as the crimes are not perpetrated by the US. He lectures Ukrainians or Syrians that their suffering is not due to their immediate aggressor but some indirect action by America.Thus he undermines the right of protest of the oppressed because the oppressor is not US. Its called 'Westsplaining'. Noam is outdated. He failed to express his solidarity with Syrian freedom movement , he fails to sympathize with Ukrainians. The America centric left intellectualism is morally toothless. His desperate effort to find some kind of 'logic or reason' behind Russia's imperialist aggression is nothing but being fascist apologist. This is what happens when someone is old and senile , build his entire career on anti Americanism therefore can not deviate from that track because it threatens their own career and legacy.
Thanks for doing this! Noam Was brilliant! His grasp of history, his ready response, his refusal to be sidelined, was amazing. The truth of history has never been more important.
Exactly. Problem is Noam (fine linguist/social commentator) FAILS to reiterate history correctly. The US never promised not to enlarge NATO. . In fact, according to the CSCE Treaty which Gorbachev agreed to and the USSR signed, specifically allows any country to join any alliance it desires. To be sure Soviet views and Western approaches varied during & after the period of German unification, so I'll let Robert Zoellick, former Deputy Secretary of State during this time explain: ruclips.net/video/PB4C08m3JOY/видео.html
Great red herring BTW: Mexico joins Chinese alliance.
@@treygowdyspurpletie9878 I’m sure he regrets venturing beyond linguistics, a decision which made him one of the most cited authors of the last century
God help history (or any other compendium of facts) if it is dependent for its existence and transmission to future generations on Noam Chomsky.
@Trey Gowdy's Purple Tie@@robertferguson851 the death of Noam Chomsky will be the end of intelligent life in the USA... as this chat makes quite evident. Can you point one single fact that he brought up that is not real and documented? Btw, as a scholar he mention the sources.
@@robertferguson851 Why is that?
Thank you, for the facts and for interviewing Profr.-Dr. Chomsky, the man who tells it like it is, by using facts.
Manufacturing concent Chomsky is.
@@ellea3344 --- SURE. | Only if Profr.-Dr. Chomsky were the editor-in-chief of the news media. You need only recall what you read in the eponymous book.
@@marianotorrespico2975 LoL. What a stupid qualifier. He's on every sht lib channel that will have him spewing and defending US authoritsrian and imperialism, advocating for war, censorship, and infringing on the right of WE the PEOPLE by way of force. He has become a fearful old man who cast aside what he preached for so long. He's no longer for free speech.
Indeed, there are only two men who tell it like it is, Noam Chomsky and Donald Trump. They make America great! Let's hear it for these true American patriots!
@@jakobson219 Holy fk, please tell me you are joking... about both. Americans are the most propagandized people in the world. Smh
Apologies, commenting as am listening... the bit about the two NATO countries, Germany and France against the introduction of Ukraine to NATO... that may or may not be true... what is true is the the US "own" NATO. Who wanted to invade Iraq? How much protestation around the world in NATO countries against this invasion? One million people in the UK physically turned up in London to protest the invasion, REPEAT physically turned up (that's more than one percent of the entire population of the UK made the effort to physically turn up... the invasion still went ahead because the US wanted it and the UK, where I live, went along because that is what "we" have done since the end of WW2 (pretty much) - we do whatever the US "asks" us to do. What is happening in the Ukraine right now, and we have family there, was totally and utterly avoidable had the US agreed to dialog, had agreed to adhere to the agreement about NATO expansion (or lack of in fact) after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Iraq wasn't a NATO conflict. Many of the constituent states may have been involved, but NATO was not formally involved. Noam's point about other states merely being puppets and vassals is fairly depressing - no doubt rooted in his informed concepts of pragmatism and "the way of the world"(reminiscent of Mearshimer's imo). I think that Bill's point was salient. NATO nor the EU can accept the membership of countries with active combat zones within their borders(perhaps they can, but this would trigger immediate conflict and would be no different from the US launching air strikes). Noam didn't explore moralistic or functional differences between the behavior of superpowers vs. regional powers, nor did he really rip into Russian past aggression or their outrageous official statements regarding Ukraine. Instead we're treated to "that's how it is" regarding their behavior and a reinforcement of the Russian party line that its Anschluss referendum was in fact legitimate. Yeah, the US is shitty. Yeah, there are hawks within the US who wanted this to happen. I don't see much in the way of seeing through the eyes of the populace of former Soviet states. Nor do I see much in the way of exploring the purely moralistic angle of things like Mexico hosting Chinese missiles, or how nuclear subs patrol international waters rendering traditional concepts of "security" functionally obsolete.
100%!!! Even NOW, after everything, while propagandizing alot of the US population with fake 🇺🇦 solidarity, the US is still pouring weapons in, *knowing* that it’ll only prolong the conflict, instead of empowering Kiev to come to an agreement with Moscow in order to stop the killing.
I would submit that Professor Chomsky should have place greater emphasis on the evidence that elements within the U.S. government intentionally and successfully provoked Putin into doing what the rest of us thought was unthinkable (or at least profoundly mindless):
ruclips.net/video/bpASSqz1hGc/видео.html
There is no real accounting here to the bunch of lies that Putin has proclaimed and his responsibility to previous horror aggressive military quite criminal offenses in the past.
The city of London has much to say about the doings on Wallstreet.
The US government works with that gang
So go easy on your lipservice of demonizing the US while praising the UK
Neither does what it's citizens want!
Thank you professor.
Says a retired general from my country regardingthis war.
Televisions make us forget the past so we don't understand the present
The present is this war.
Hey, didn't George Orwell say something about that?
One of our greatest truth tellers ! Please join the peoples party today ! Honest peace and Justice for all man kind !🙏🏽✌🏽🤗
Always good to hear from Noam. Thanks.
Many thanks! Love Noam Chomsky ❣️
A day without hypocrisy is a day wasted
USA and western nations
Awww... come on. Have a heart... in fact, if you want one, you can get a fresh one from the CCP.
I thought "hypocrisy" wasn't in the American english dictionary.
@@dee-vee that's probably because you're looking in the Russian dictionary.
Thank ypu for sharing your thoughts Prof Chomsky
Thank you very much. Noam Chomsky is far from being senile
What can we do? First off, stop hating the Russian people. They are like you and I. Their children are like our children and innocent victims of rampant imperialism. Their culture is rich and has contributed greatly to humanity. Don't become a participant in US idiocy. And don't seek to vilify Putin as the only culprit--there are two sides of equal criminality (as Noam has firmly stated in this interview).
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amen to that... Tell em!
I hate Vladimir Putin and his cronies and Russian soldiers who continue to fight for Putin.
....you missing the nature of international affairs...interviewer have a great chance for CNN, MSNBC or Colbert report.
I really admire Chomsky’s patience.
Noam should have answered: "You are missing everything! What kind of an idiot are you?!"
Yes, he was patient with Bill and explained in length what needs to be said. Bill didn't seem to understand but for me it was a nice treat.
Russia didn't seize Crimea FFS! Crimea had Russian military presence for a long time. The people of Crimea were therefore able to choose self determination as a consequence of that subsequent to the illegal coup of the democratically elected Ukrainian Government in February 2014. The outcome of the self determination was that Crimea voted to be part of Russia rather than be part of un undemocratically enforced NATO focussed Ukrainian government.
Putin's Pro-Russian invasion by Forced Influence was No Choice in Crimea, Georgia and Most Definitely NOT in Donbas. Putin PLANTED pro-Russian lunatics in each area, just as he plays chess. But now, the drugs that he's been on, and the thirst for Power has taken him by surprise, as he let himself get out of control... he tried to get Drumpf to make LUNACY the new normal... and he couldn't wait to jump on Ukraine. He moved too soon... and without a proper plan. He is a murderer.
@@eltorocal Hi eltoracal. We have friends and family in Crimea and in Donetsk. I do not (currently) believe them to be Pro-Russian lunatics planted by Putin. In fact over the years they have occasionally been very pissed off about Putin as I am sure we all are some or even most of the time with our our respective "leaders". The majority of them were not happy at all with the coup of the Ukrainian government even though they were not particularly happy with the government at the time. We also have/had a number of friends and family in Odessa and here it is different; we have family and friends who were and are completely polarised on the subject... but not in Crimea or Donetsk as I said. Admittedly, me and my family have not visited Ukraine (or Crimea) since 2014 for perhaps obvious reasons and so I am speaking second hand since then i.e. only from people I know and not with/from my own eyes. Perhaps they have been fooling me all this time. I am not being facetious when I say this but to paraphrase a famous quote, can't remember who from right at this moment... 'it is much easier to fool people than to convince people they have been fooled'. If you genuinely have real information on 'Putin having planted Pro-Russian lunatics" in those areas, I would be very grateful if you could share that. As a more science based than faith based person, I am very happy to hear facts that will show my understanding to be wrong. Thank you.
This guy actually brought up Syria as an argument for Russia to act without US meddling, Syria of all places where the CIA has had its highest spending in overseas "misadventure".
Haha yea , there is not a options for him Russian Federation has been in Gorgia, chechnya , syria and Ukraine. Now for USA , they have overthrowned over 50 countries/countries since ww2🤣 they should not be talking
@@StayBasedJesus IT'S NOT ABOUT DEFENDING UKRAINE; IT'S ABOUT DESTROYING RUSSIA, AND ITS NOW OR NEVER, ACCORDING TO WEST'S CALCULATIONS.
Assad used chemical weapons repeatedly. Why is it so easy to excuse war crimes from other brutal regimes because of US war crimes.
How do we know the cia was in Syria? I mean, I don't doubt it. But how did we, the public, find this out?
@@wankertanker1813 the CIA project was called Timber Sycamore, it's pretty open information. There's lots of report on it but people still like to pretend it never happened.
Thank you so much for this discussion with Noam. Right now I cherish this discussion and one that I've seen with Glenn Greenwald on how to think and feel about the invasion of Ukraine.
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glenn greenwald has been totally corrupted and is now a blatant fascist
Chomsky still has it!
Long live Professor Chomsky! ♥️👏👏👏
He has already lol
I'm very impressed with Chomskys perspective on this.
One tric pony. Who stole my sendwich ? Ameeeeeeeeeeeeerika
He's blindly critical of America to the point that he minimizes the greater atrocities committed by Russia.
@@JonathanRootD critical but not blindly. He's done all the research necessary to support what he says. I've never heard anyone find him wrong on facts. Corpse for corpse, the USA has done more harm to other countries.
He has a pretty selective view of history. The Soviets (Russians) brutally occupied Eastern Europe for almost 50 years. I was there and it was real. The Kremlin ordered invasions of Hungary 1944, East Germany 1953, Czechoslovakia 1968 and now Ukraine. These are real people in these counties, not part of a Grand Chess Game to be negotiated and bartered.
This antiwar guy awfully sounds like a prowar. Also seem to be not noticing Ukraine’s NATO aspirations since early 2000s
Aspirations! But never considered becoming a NATO member, bc states like France and Germany opposed Ukraines desires. This argument is pointless!
@@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl It's not pointless to stress that NATO will not garantee the neutrality of Ukraine
@@gilbertg7 what? What does being in nato have to do with ukraines neutrality? Lmao! You dont have to sign a treaty, and join a club to be on the usa's side against russia. If ukraine wants defensive missiles and an american base for a defensive position russia is just gonna have to deal with it. Nato or not a soverin country has the right to do whatever it wants within its own borders. Putin is just still a freaking communist. He sounds like an american who called the cops on his neighbor to have their guns confiscated because he was afraid. Russians are being ran by a bunch of scared and pathetic people right now, and the only reason the right likes him is because of the cultural heart strings he pulls. Make no mistake he is a stalin footstep follower, and he would rebuild the soviet union in a heart beat if he had the power
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and can pick who it wants to align with especially after being invaded in 2014. People forget there's been Democratic elections since then. Russia has no right to stop them and the US has no right to stop Mexico and who they want to align with. Nonsense arguments from Chomsky here. 🤦
@@3rdreichball525 I suppose the comic books you use as sources are very well documented.
“What does being in nato have to do with ukraines neutrality?” Asking that question makes it pointless to discuss with you.
“russia is just gonna have to deal with it” and it seems to being doing just that
The best. The Professor is superb. Very knowledgeable man on history and geo politics.
Thank you very much for the great interview with the great No am Chomsky!
Why aren’t they talking about Will Smith and the Oscars ???
Great to see Chomsky kicking butt and naming names! There's nobody I trust more on foreign policy.
Thank you, Real News Network. :)
Kicking ass and taking names. This refers to taking the dog tags of the deceased enemy.
I'd add Pepe Escobar and Michael Hudson right now as well.
@@kevinjohnson9533 Yep. I like them too. I also loved Stephen Cohen's terrific analyses back in the day - I only wish he was still with us. We could really use his wisdom today.
@@profe3330 You are right Prof.
@@profe3330 don't forget the ones from Vladimir Ilich Lenin. Oldies but goodies !
That was excellent, thank you both!
Prof Chomsky is extremely sharp at his age of 93. The host, Bill Fletcher has difficulty comprehending what Prof Chomsky is saying.
There is no expantionist agenda in Russia, even according to our own intelligence agencies, Russia only acts defensively..Crimea houses 1 of only 2 of Russia's naval bases, the other is in Syria, which is completely left out of all conversations, which explains their actions..The people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to be part of Russia and voted accordingly, and Syria invited Russia within it's borders..America is committing war crimes by occupying Syria..Russia claimed article 51 when starting their military operation in Ukraine, which you also never hear about, and they make a legitimate case, better than any case America or NATO ever made, when claiming article 51 and destroying countries, furthermore, Russia could have destroyed all the infrastructure and industry like America does when they invade all over the planet, but they didn't do that, saving the lives of tens of thousands and the infrastructure, while losing many of their own soldiers lives as a result..This is an American proxy war, it's transparently obvious, as we've seen them over and over and over again..Ukraine is already a member of NATO if they possess billions of dollars worth of NATO weapons, training, etc.,Nato won't come to their defense with boots on the ground, but it is the weapons that Russia objects to..Russia destroyed the Nazi's in world war 2, there is a huge difference in Russia and the Nazi's in Ukraine, don't be ignorant...Look at the crimes the Nazi's in Ukraine are committing, including the crimes Russia is being blamed for, but is obviously innocent of...Russia tried for over a decade with diplomacy, including the Minsk agreement that was agreed to by America/Ukraine/France/Germany, but was never allowed to be implemented by America and the hardcore Nationalists (Nazi's) in Ukraine, instead they went forward with an ethnic cleansing campaign, killing 14,000 Russian speakers in the Donbass, and when Ukraines Azov battalion gathered on the borders of the Donbass to exterminate the population, is when Russia stepped in, which you never hear about either, but, all facts, not my opinion..This guy only wants to vilify Putin..He believes all the American propaganda..Russia is winning in Ukraine, they never planned to capture Kiev, they positioned their soldiers there so they could build a land bridge from the Donbass to Crimea, while keeping most of Ukraines soldiers tied up, when they accomplished that goal, they withdrew...Don't believe American propaganda, not only can't Ukraine stop Russia, but even if Nato got involved, they would be destroyed, according to our own militaries documents...
It's obvious our gov't is aware of the impact that alt-platforms are having on the spread of truth and not only are they terrified by it, but they're seriously regretting the steps they took to implement all the censorship & algorithm suppressions they were once so proud of. Some YT content creators like, Jimmy Dore, Gonzalo Lira, The Duran & Russell Brand are doing great, but smaller ones put out by actual Chechen Special Forces, Patrick Lancaster, clips of Robert Barnes & Col. Douglas McGregor, and blocked channels from Russia, are garnering around a total of 15-20 MILLION views per DAY, bc they're being re-shared over & over across a multitude of platforms. This is almost 6th gen warfare. It's being fought by the ppl, not all those blue-checkmarks, who think they control everything. Or even, I hate to say it, this interviewer. He's poorly informed on the history of Ukraine, even the most recent.
Great comment. Thanks for posting!
"Don't believe american propaganda" --> writes a wall of text with every single russian propaganda bit
Thanks for your comment. The current narrative will/is collapsing for those who do their due diligence. The U.S., and the Western nations have gone insane. They will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Also interesting to notice the U.S. setting itself up profits as the E.U. takes the hit from the blowback from sanctions.
I wrote, “the West” as if that was all that matters. That’s wrong and misleading. A very large portion of the world recognizes the profound untrustworthiness of the so called West, and especially the lies and betrayals of the U.S.
@@cheese186 Not a word of propaganda, how would Russia propagandize me, an American with a masters degree in political science and I spent a decade in military intelligence, you are a fool...
@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 you are the fool if you think I will believe that you have military intelligence experience after all the nonsense you just talked about, like the "14,000 russian speakers being killed in the Donbass", or the "this is an american proxy war" but then to say "they wont dare get involved, since our own docs say we'd be destroyed". Not to mention how the Crimea referendum was held after the russians took over the land, with blatant violation of international legislation, and how the russians ignored the Budapest memorandum to begin with, since you care so much about Minsk. Or how corrupted were the relationships between Russia and EU members like Germany, literally buying very influential leaders like Schröder.
Thanks for the talk. Wonderful.
The interviewer seems to have never read or listened to Chomsky before. He's asking him the same dumb questions Noam has been asked, and answered definitively, a thousand times before. Noam Chomsky, correctly and consistently, has no interest in critiquing or condemning OTHER countries and their regimes and their actions if they are 'official enemies' of the U.S. and its allies. The reason is obvious: he and we have zero influence on what THOSE countries, regimes, etc. do or do not do. In fact, the more we join the demonizing thereof, the more we actually legitimize and provide cover for OUR governments and THEIR wrongdoing. Highlighting the bad motives and bad actions of the official enemies of the U.S. and West in general is only joining the vast chorus of official and semi-official strategic communications and propaganda by the U.S., West, and their allies and clients. Just as we would expect e.g. Russian Federation dissidents and critics to focus on the doings and policies of "the Putin regime" and would not insist that they also, if not preferentially, mount critiques of the U.S., West, and the allies of the Russian Federations' official enemies, we ought not, and ought not expect, nay *demand*, that we and our fellow U.S. and Western dissidents and critics to focus on the doings and politics of THEIR (the enemies') regimes and governments.
This is a simple moral principle, included inter alia in the New Testament and ostensibly articulated by Jesus of Nazareth.
When Rodney King was filmed being brutally beaten by LAPD officers in the early 1990s, the job of critics and leftists in general, was NOT to join in in the demonization of Rodney King, and how he was "no angel". He could've been the Devil himself and it would still be a total waste of time to focus on THAT rather than the illegal, criminal acts of the LAPD officers. The latter acted in OUR (City of Los Angeles citizens/residents) names and using OUR delegated authority. We have a say in what they do, they're accountable to us.
Noam Chomsky's praxis has never been about "virtue signaling" and being "compatible with" and "pleasant to" the U.S./Western powers-that-be and (manufactured) public opinion.
Good point
"He and we have zero influence on what THOSE countries"
I do have some influence since I have been sending money to humanitarian relief agencies in Ukraine. Beside that, you're right, we cannot influence directly but I have written to my Congresspeople to continue to support Ukraine with weapons and intelligence and increase sanctions on Russia.
Fletcher completely embarrassed himself here and demonstrates he is nothing but a neoliberal shill and pro imperialist, so many falsehoods and outright lies!
@@jakobson219 With Weapons????????????How many weapons can the US produce and give away, E.G. ISIS, Al Queda etc before it understands IT HAS NO FUCKING RIGHT TO MEDDLE IN THE AFFAIRS OF SOVEREIGN NATIONS?
@@dieterbarkhoff1328 Ukraine is ASKING every day for those weapons because RUSSIA decided to meddle in the affairs of that sovereign nation.
Bill Fletcher, it would be a good idea for you to interview Aaron Matte of the Grayzone about the Ukraine War and US imperialism. You seem to be bias to the US.
Bill is looking for a job on NBC news etc.
Unfortunately, by keeping Fletcher around, it looks like TRN is changing their "business model" to faux progressive (think TYT, etc.), leaving it up to us to go directly to the source for insights from true progressive sites like the Grayzone:
ruclips.net/video/bpASSqz1hGc/видео.html
Kudos to Noam chopping up the interviewer's NATO apologetics.
The same noam that claimed a 'blowback', not inside job, explanation for 9/11, you mean ? Also known as 'who cares?' ( about 9/11) chomsky. That old fakir should retire, and take chris hedges and amy goodman with him.
Ukraine on Fire contains historical facts on the current Ukraine crisis. It is worth watching that documentary of Oliver Stone
He made a second one in 2019 called, "Revealing Ukraine" that's equally as good. There's also a GREAT documentary made by French-Ukrainian filmmaker named Anne-Laure Bonnel called, "Donbass (2016)", which is free over on bitchute & there are some versions with English subtitles. It is truly heart breaking. ALL of these facts were well known by our politicians, so it's just disgusting how they're crafting this narrative to paint Zelenskyy as some of hero. They're fully aware of what kind of totalitarian monster he is & that Putin has been asking for 8 years for the kiIIing of ethnic Russians to stop. Yet they call Putin the mad man. It's sick.
The three in series were on Global Tree Pictures site on you tube as I saw them 6 weeks ago. Maybe on Rumble.
Also, why nobody mentions Ukraine invading Iraq along with US and Britain? Contingent wasn’t big, only about 5000 to 7000 troops, but it’s the intent and involvement that matters.
Gosh, I admit I didn't know that or hadn't thought to ask the question. Thanks for the post, that's a really good point.
Every NATO country invaded Iraq-and more. All criminal governments
Good point. Training and integration - anything else?
@@casteretpollux well I guess we can also say the Russians are getting some good training in Ukraine.
@@mr1001nights That is unlikely. Good training is not to be had in misconceived projects. What it is doing is giving the US a very good look at Russian military weaknesses and strengths- one of the US's many war-aims.
Thank you for existing Noam! You make me believe in the existence of the truth. You are the truth.
It seems that the interviewer has a pro US position and wants to condem Russia while ignoring the aggressive behavior of the US. This is ridiculous.
Maybe. Or he is parroting the prevailing narrative in order to get Chomsky's direct response to it. In any case, we get Chomsky's counter arguments, which is informative and handy 😉
E.G. Butler - YET HE TRIED. | Yes, that is the intellectual problem with the Liberal American, standing in the middle of the road, in order to be neither for it nor against it, but loyal to the U.S.A.
@@theworld9623 No, the interviewer has emphatically made that argument before in previous videos.
While yet further ignoring the prominent Nazi component that infiltrated the Ukrainian politics. The prominent nazi movement that was sponsored by US in its desire to drag Russia into a war.
What aggressive behavior would that be
This guy doesn’t have a clue. When US coup d’état put Poroshenko in power and they started to prosecute Russians then Russia annexed crimea
I so not appreciate Bill's biased question and sins of omission in context of the premise of his question. Cold war national security state social Dems?
He is a good interviewer. Those questions needed to be asked. And Noam answered them correctly.
He’s trash 🗑 and exposed himself for what he is and Choamsky wasn’t much better!
@@MyPetrushka Questions not based on reality or on their face biased need to be asked? that's not a good interviewer.
@@Joshua-le5wb Goddamn right.
This is the kind of interview from a left perspective that is so disappointing. Bill seems genuinely perplexed as to why Russia and Russia alone does not follow rules based order and comes back to this theme repeatedly. Don't we get enough of the clutching of pearls from mainstream media? Chomsky made it abundantly clear that Russia's act was a supreme violation. It boggles the mind that the endless violations of the out-of-control hegemon that is the USA is constantly put aside to focus on one side. This is deceptive when looking at nations and their geopolitical concerns and power grabs. There are no good guys but the biggest threat to this planet is the USA. If I want the blinders on take, or devil's advocate I can find that on news bought and paid for by all the American oligarchs.
They can't hear you and they never will. Sheep gonna be sheep...
@@Simon-gc6uf oh ok so you are a sheep US... I understand.
Maybe there are no "good guys" but their are certainly "bad guys", would you prefer that Russia or China were the major world power?
@@eldeluxo Both. Unipolarity with the US on top is disaster for the rank and file of every country. Of course, every oligarch of every country will love it.
@@oswarzYou are clearly out to lunch and no understanding of how evil the Russian and Chinese regimes are. I would suggest getting out and seeing the world.
Noam is great - not to be missed - his thoughts
Kudos to Chomsky for his patient and faithful replies to the totally one-sided, grueling and somewhat intentionally side-stepping questions/challenges.
Fletcher is such a liberal
Liberal hack!
Cold War liberal
It breaks my heart to see Chomsky lie outright. Russia attempted to negotiate along Minsk lines for from 2014~2015 to the early part of this year. Saying, "they grabbed the guns *right away*" is an outright fabrication.
Noam is a gem in every sense!
May this wonderful being stay healthy, strong , vibrant and fulfilled!
He certainly loves blaming victims of genocide for their own genocide. Bosnians were massacred because of US policy, just like Ukrainians were invaded because of NATO policy, Neither was because Serbs pursued a policy of ethnic cleansing, or Putin purued conquest. Far from a gem, he is a monster.
People always forget Korea. It is estimated over 20% of the entire population of North Korea was killed in the US air campaign even though most of the fighting took place along the border. This was a country that never attacked America yet the Americans dropped more bombs on Korea than they dropped on Germany or Japan in WW2.
According to Wikipedia: "The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea.[21] By comparison, the U.S. dropped 1.6 million tons in the European theater and 500,000 tons in the Pacific theater during all of World War II (including 160,000 on Japan). North Korea ranks alongside Cambodia (500,000 tons), Laos (2 million tons), and South Vietnam (4 million tons) as among the most heavily-bombed countries in history, with Laos suffering the most extensive bombardment relative to its size and population."
@@johnmilton2077 Thanks for that. I had a look at Wikipedia (who I donate to) and in their breakdown they said the British dropped 964,644 tons of bombs on Germany and the Americas dropped 623,418 ton on Germany (so, they dropped even more bombs on the rest of Europe).
@@johnmilton2077 Makes you think why they dropped so many on a civilian population in Germany, a country that was already on the verge of defeat. They kept it up even when they were already defeated. And we are talking about major population centers. Inner cities where civilians lived.
w t f .
@@luperamos7307 The British in particular aimed at reducing German cities to Rubble, especially in city centres where the finest culturally significant buildings were.
That suggests to they were no just trying to terrorize the German civilians, but to destroy their culture as well.
Bill, great interview, good questions, Noam lays out clearly the options out there for the western powers, the U.S. as the world isn’t a pretty place to keep fighting till the last Ukrainian putting his life on the line.
A slightly different perspective here... and that is that Ukraine might want to have a say in their own future, which also might be the reason they put their lives on the line at all. This conflict goes far beyond another USA/Russia contest
Why does Chomsky deny the former Warsaw Pact countries a right to determine their future ? He refers to them as "Russian satellites". He further refers to them as"Russia's red line". He engages in the same Cold War rhetoric he often derides- only from Russia's view. Ukraine and the rest of the former Soviet Block have a right to self determination.
Truly, by arguing from a alance of power perspective that Russia was in the right (Crimea) and US wrong (fight to last drop of Ukrainian blood), Chomsky is merely falling back on his long-held disdain for US foreign policies, AND contradicting himself. Ah, the bliss of old age,....
This is exactly what I think
This was good. Noams' final words on Ukraine were enlightening yet perhaps puzzling to some. Many ad campaigns and mainstream medias are promoting this idea that we need to support Ukrainians. This is a very troubling contradiction. 🤔😵💫🤖 "We dont have much time"
The Ukrainians could be supported by giving donations for the purpose via a Russian embassy or a Russian organization set up for the purpose - then it would reach the people in the east of Ukraine who have been living under siege and artillery bombardment for more than eight years - and not end up in the hands of the Kiev government, who are responsible for the attack on the eastern region. The fighting is now anyway contained within the east and south east of Ukraine, the Russians having withdrawn their forces from other areas - never having attempted to occupy either the far west or north west of the country.
@@ZigZagHockey get out of your ponyland as soon as possible. you've mistaken wolves for ponies.
56:00 - I favour the second option: Prohibit all nations bordering Russia from ever becoming members of NATO. These would then be buffer states, that would not only work in Russia's favour but also the West's favour. The US doesn't seem to want that, they seem to prefer option 1 which is war so that their arms manufacturers can get more business. The only winners in any war are the arms manufacturers.
Bill Fletcher Jr: You've laid down the responsibility of the US but I want to focus on the criminality of the Putin regime.
Jct: As if we couldn't tell your narrative is Putin bad, NATO CIA Nazis good.
He’s a neoliberal shill and pro imperialist and Choamsky was weak also!
All bad boys in the class, for the last 20 years of wars have achieved nothing only the destruction of countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, now Yemen, and Ukraine. Glorified murder on all sides...no good boys in the class...people would want to wake up "dying for your country" now means dying for National Interest otherwise called Globalized multi-nationals interests. There are nearly 8 Billion people in the world...but our future is in the hands of about 600 ...and that is Democracy..well not from where I am sitting
Yes!
Noam is brilliant, thanks to him and for bringing this interview to us
Noam spoke the real truth - how rare to hear an adult approach to international relations. It’s called realism.
oh, we heard someone speak like this before. he was called Henry Kissinger. it's ironic to see Chomsky step into his shoes.
@@drzeworyj Henry Kissinger has blood ties to war crimes. Two completely different people.
The idea that nuclear armed Russia has to fear a land invasion from NATO and possibly Ukraine is preposterous. The Kremlin ordered invasions of Hungary 1944, East Germany 1953, Czechoslovakia 1968 and now Ukraine.
Hey, get with the program, here you must start with "it's the fault of the US" and go from there
Actually, Russia (Putin) does fear an invasion from the West: An invasion of ideas & principles. Rule of law - western aggression. Free & fair elections: Western propaganda. No wonder XI is Puti's "Beijing buddy". Two peas.
@@ericvardek4108 shhhhh... you can't say this in the presence of the great Noam and his sheep followers! Remember: whatever happens in the world is America's fault. Start there and you won't stray from the path of Comrade Noam and his homies.
@@jakobson219 lol
Saying they're "all one people" is hardly a statement that they're planning a take over. It seems more to do with Ukraine joining NATO.
How about a discussion between Noam Chomsky & Timothy Snyder? Can you guys arrange that? THAT would be an INCREDIBLE discussion.
Chomsky seems to enjoy the pushback. Great interview.
I would submit that much of the "pushback" was either redundant or misinformed (completely omitting the context of what happened in 2014, for example).
ruclips.net/video/bpASSqz1hGc/видео.html
@@kodowdus that’s why it’s great. It allows for the opportunity to clear up the record and provide context to what most people feel is a confusing conflict.
I rather had the impression that Chomsky felt like talking to Bill being an elementary school kid knowing nothing about what's going on and not willing to learn.
@@NN-ul4oy Bill’s insistence on pointing the finger at Russia and his obsession with analyzing Putin’s mind is a distraction. Weeks ago he appeared in another debate where he says we must understand the mind of Putin (ruclips.net/video/cM3ZWUlb4wA/видео.html). The other speakers disagree with him. Chomsky clarifies these points further here: youtu.be/
Thank you.
30:41
"You are missing the nature of international affairs!"
33:00
"...because they are terrified of our violent rogue state!"
Great points, Noam!
With this interview you hit it again and showed more comprehension than most about the Ukraine situation.
58:14
"I hope that you enjoyed this as much as I did."
No, I don't think Bill enjoyed Noam's standpoints since Bill showed a lack of comprehension throughout the interview and didn't seem to accept or even understand Noam's easy to understand explanations. It was off Bill's world. Bill wanted to talk about evil Russia and Noam didn't let it happen for the right reasons!
Thanks for letting Noam make his points, but for the way Bill lead this interview I would not subscribe.
Yeah, most normal people find it hard to understand how the atrocities committed by Russian troops in Ukraine are the fault of the US. It takes a particularly twisted mind to understand that.
@@jakobson219
jakobson troll showed up again...
how sad it must be to earn money this way
@@NN-ul4oyRussian troll showed up again. How sad that you must earn money this way.
The way you attack Bill saying that he showed a "lack of comprehension" reminds me of how cryptocurrency fanatics say the same thing about people who think that cryptocurrency is pointless when it really is. I think Bill understood things very well. Putin IS evil and he has no legitimate reasons for invading Ukraine, or for allowing his soldiers to commit terrible war crimes without holding them accountable, or for burying his own soldiers in mass graves or even incinerating their bodies in order to cover up their deaths. The fact that Noam is so quick to talk crap about the US and the West but he can't even really call out Putin for doing MUCH MUCH worse things should tell you a lot.
@@randychase9931
Then YOU didn't listen to the video above: Noam was very well critizising Russia, stating, that the war is a criminal attack, that it would have been smarter for Russia to pratice statesmanship trying to ally with France and Germany. So, there it is, but apparently since you didn't listen and want to emphazise on state propaganda you tell us all the same story here. And what has cryptocurrency to do with it all? You are mixing up people you don't like.
Noam is completely right, the United States have been committing huge crimes all the time and have little to no right to point the finger at the crimes of Russia, especially when the US was meddling as usual in the Ukraine as they did, ignoring all the warnings of smart people.
Excellent debate.
The narrator cannot see the role of the USA in invading countries but
General Eisenhower, himself said beware the USA military industrial complex
Yes... thanks for your presentation...
Ukraine didn't give up any nuclear weapons .... they never had any to give up. Those weapons were Soviet arms and owned/supplied by Moscow.
Wow Noam from the Spanish civil war as a kid to now, what a gent.
George Orwell was right in his description of the system we live under.
@Ira Hoppe do you live in Russia or China?
@@jakobson219 The US is a police state that kills, incarcerates and tortures far more than China or Russia.
@@jakobson219 Neither. I do not rely on the mainstream corporate media for information. Rather, I research subjects.
@@irahoppe3632 sorry, based on your comment on orwell i thought you were living in a dictatorship.
@@irahoppe3632 so I'm curious, what sources do you use to research, for example, what's going on in Ukraine?
thanks for the interview
¡Saludos from Guanajuato, Mexico, para Bill Fletcher Jr., Aviva Chomsky, professor Noam Chomsky, and all my dearest comrades from #LiberationRoad!
Do you know of any good media/channels to follow in Mexico or Latin America?
great talk, thanks
Hey Bill. Sounds like you had a hard time letting go of the official party line in the US and accepting the reality of the history and present moment.
Good interview and good questions.
I love Mr. Chomsky and by God he knows. War brings about more war. End of Comment.
High respects to this sincere man. god gave him a long life and health🇷🇸👍🍀🍀🍀 ..only such people can wash America after many lies, wars and quarrels among nations caused by the rulers of the world in the name of America ..
regards from Serbia🍀🍀☮️🇷🇸
How's Serbia doing? Anyone left to ethnically cleanse there?
@@jakobson219 😂😂😂Serbs "killed" Arab peoples,killed Iraqis, Libyans, Somalias, jordanians, and waged wars around the world becose of oil or NATO ???
You “know” what hapend in Yugoslavia??? you and those who have conceived all these lies and misled our peoples in the Balkans and are quarreling all over the world..
You are some descendant colonialists and imperialists or
you are also a liar trying to spread a lie and manipulation here about Serbs.
The Serbs were occupied by the Ottoman Empire 600 years in the past, by Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914 WW1, Hitler havy bombing in 1941 WW2 and 1999 by NATO also..
Serbs have lost 3 milion lives in the last 100 years. These first three occuiers not exist more.
NATO is just left👎☺️
You should be ashamed of the shadows of the dead Serbs.☮️🇷🇸
Ukraine only obtained Crimea as an administrative move by Krushchev to consolidate power as new head of the USSR when it was presumed Ukraine and Russia would be the same nation. Crimea was never part of Ukraine otherwise, not even during its brief independence post WW1.
Noam, king of whataboutism...
I have questions: did Ukraine cut off water to Crimea? Is Russia sending ships carrying water to Crimea? Did Russia ask Ukraine for cooperation building a land bridge to Crimea for transporting potable water?
@Умка thank you for this info.
For once I don't agree completely with Chomsky. I do agree with his historical depictions but I think he completely missed points that I think are crucial: What do Ukrainians want and what will Ukraine's government accept. To me that is the only reason to continue supporting the war - the Ukrainians want to continue fighting.
The thing that makes me doubt if Putin's grasp on reality has slipped is that he attacked Ukraine and not the already warring eastern regions only. That would have been much easier for western allies to accept. Germany would still be on Russia's side and Sweden/Finland would not have joined Nato.
I very much enjoyed this program tonight. A great reminder of our realities. Eyes wide open 😳
Nome was terrific as always. The questions were puzzling on several levels.
After the 2014 Maidan coup, can the Budapest accord terms even be considered valid considering the Ukrainian government became realigned with NATO?
No they cannot and the interviewer is pure trash 🗑 and an apologist for the neoliberal world 🌍 order and American 🇺🇸 imperialism!
I love it. We should oppose imperialism
Why aren’t they talking about Will Smith and the Oscars ??
@@chadcarlson9306 what dose that have to do with the war. It's like saying mass shootings. Have something to do with church
if you want to oppose imperialism, oppose Russia.
What's your opinion on Will Smith smacking Chris Rock?
Bill, you just need to do your homework and not just repeating media talking points. Start with the Budapest agreement - Ukraine never had nuclear weapons of their own, they hosted Russian-controlled missiles. Then google Maidan ... Honestly, it's probably a lost cause with you.
Noam Chomsky is the voice of reason and the defense of true liberties,the fighter for the just causes!!!may I have a deep and profound thought of Christopher Hitchens,a man who would surely have been on the free and right side of the history,a mentor and really a fierce debater and is deerly missed, I really cannot respond without mentioning his name,as like was Bertrand Russell!!!those are the ones who spread all their knowledge and fierce intellect to educate one another on such very important topics!!! listening is the OUTMOST RESPECT we could have to be more mindful of the events which are unfolding!!!!🙏🙏🇺🇦⛅⛅⛅✌️
Great for Chomsky he stuck to the present facts of the Ukraine. He would not allow the discussion to become a Neo liberal blame game.
I have watched literally hundreds of interviews with Noam Chomsky and this is one of the best. Interviewer does a great job with follow up questions, unlike most others. Forces Chomsky to explain himself and counter more conservative takes.
Sometimes to get the truth is to play Devil's advocate. Nice interview
Mikhail Molchanov in the chat said: "Russia did try to draw Germany and France into a pan-European security alliance. With regards to Ukraine it was called the Minsk agreements. They failed. France and Germany torpedoed them." Good comment however I am not certain about the last point, I suspect it is the USA that torpedoed the agreements - makes a lot of sense after all. Germany and France were all in favor but then had to bow to the empire of lies. Europe is nothing more than a US military base, lets not forget that.
Like France and Germany are innocent bystanders. They've their own interest that don't always back the US.
@@leighfoulkes7297 at the end of the day, they are guilty indeed of merely not standing up to the US empire of lies. Europe is irrelevant.
Noam is the Man!… Excellent interview.
I agree more with the host here than with Mr. Chomsky, with all due respect.
You cannot justify a crime by constantly bringing up another crime, which is what a lot of people seem to be doing nowadays.
You need to listen to Mr. Chomsky with open ears!
He condemns the criminal invasion of Ukraine!
He also brings to your attention the very current atrocities committed by our country!
Our country is the biggest criminal force internationally!
You cannot expect Russia and China to watch the US violate every rule to increase it's advantage over them and then expect them to follow the rules. Russia is fighting the US here, if the US had not interfered in Ukraine this would not be happening. At some point the US must bear responsibility for it's actions.
@@hairlessape5107 Nothing justifies a war!
Zelensky is a complete puppet and has sold his soul to the devil!
Russia was provoked by the US.
Russia ought to have had negotiations with the West about Ukraine BEFORE invading Ukraine!
Ukraine had no chance in hell to withstand Russia in a military battle, and this UGLY war is indeed between Russia & the West. Tragically, Ukrainians are the victims of this UGLY war!
Boris Johnson is having more babies
Joe Biden's son, Hunter, is continuing with his illegal activities
Emanuel Macron was RE ELECTED (Thanks to Dominion voting machines)
The increasing cost of living in the West is blamed on the war by the "politicians"!!!!!!!!
Recognising the order of things is not justifying anything. I'd argue that the actual 'whataboutism' that's occuring here is happening on the part of the interviewer.
Chomsky thoroughly condemned the Russian Military invasion of Ukraine at the beginning of this interview so it didn't seem to me that he was "justifying" the Russian action.
Pointing out the US wrongdoingin Iraq does NOT justify Russian wrongdoing in Ukraine. Were we right to support a revolution in Cuba in the early 60's? Before Russia took over Crimea, Ukraine was neutral!
Your idea of a peaceful settlement would cripple Ukraine's economy (giving up both energy rich regions) and make them dependent upon Russia. Not a great choice. What about if Mexico demanded we give back Texas ?
Good interview good interviewer
What was happening in the Donbas and Lugansk area in 2014?
Norm really educated. Bill. Bills thinking is why the US feels it has a right to do what ever it wants. Bill wake up and smell the coffee.
I’m glad Bill keeps pushing Noam to go deeper. Noam never did address the Croatia question.
Russia had other options to block Ukraines membership to Nato, and Zelenksy agreed to pull out from the application very early on. Russia does not have a real security threat; they may feel that way but Russia is one of 2 major nuclear power. They feared waining influence in europe that is not the same thing. All of this cold war analysis to provide context is irrelvant. It's been over 30 years Russia needs to move on from it's imperial ambitions. I also don't understand how Chomsky can blaming bombing for 'instigating' atrocities. It's easy but not helpful to blame US foriegn policy for everything wrong in the world.
@David Ozersky - But blaming the US for everything is Chomsky's specialty. Take that away and you've taken away all his foreign policy analysis!
@@jakobson219
yea, because he's on point with this.
and to the other guy up there, this is happening since 8 years, explicitly aimed at the russian speaking "orks" fueled by insane hate
ruclips.net/video/hUcFKAmsgLs/видео.html
done by the US coup& pumped up, dubious ukr government, done to their own citizens.
not even mentioning the ukr- inherent, historical & actual nazi problem, having rouge hordes brutalizing the eastern population, proudly!
public humiliation of "orks" (daring to use the very similar russian language, ..or just being sinti/roma or whatever next) became increasingly normal in ukr to, in broad daylight, in the middle of kiev.
ruclips.net/video/TVz-kScY58Q/видео.html
the actual situation is way worse.
saying that the ukr regime doesn't pose a threat to russia is conveniently ignorant and exactly the reason why this war situation escalation was and is happening in the first place, grotesquely cheered on!
the media coverage in "the world community" is to imo unprecedented degree, siloed off, orwellian fiction
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Chomsky doesnt say anything about how the former USSR republics was themselves asking to join nato. Nato never forced anyone in. They wanted in because they hayed russia. Ask any pole or baltic person. So how can the US - or anyone - decide on the part of all these countries that they cannot join nato.
Nobody wanted to invade russia, but they wanted out of an abusive relationship.
So as much as I used to respect Chomsky - I am starting to see how he seem biased against the west, by avoiding to mention some things like the will of soverign countries.
He also neglects to mention that putin is a dictator and has removed all opposition
The something that was missing, 'the elephant in the room', was and is the Minsk Accords. On the day he announced the decision to launch what he called a special mission to rescue the peoples of Luhansk and Donetsk. from a war of genocide which had been going on for eight years Putin was very clear about the justification for his 'invasion' of Ukraine. He had moreover a request from the leaders of those two countries to undertake a peace reaching mission and provide them with security, as well as restoring their Constitutional borders. The Minsk Accords, the justification Putin offered for the initial invasion, were never mentioned during this discussion.
For the above reasons I must dispute Chomsky's assertion that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was, beyond dispute something that could be decreed without need for discussion to be, an international crime. The Minsk Accords were two identical treaties (the first being utterly ignored - approximately 14,000 ethnic Russian Ukrainians were killed in 2014 ) signed in 2014 and 2015 by France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine and ratified by the United Nations Security Council. Putin, aware that no one else was going to uphold the latter treaty, which Ukraine never observed, undertook to enforce it unilaterally - that was not an illegal never mind a criminal action, it was a praiseworthy one - an action that the United Nations should have undertake with the help of France and Germany as well as Russia. By this point Putin was also evoking Article 51 of the UN Charter - Group defense - something else which was not mentioned.
The Russians moving into the remainder of Ukraine was without doubt a criminal action (although Article 51 might again be invoked), but at that point they had no choice if the Dombas Region was to remain secure.
It needs to be remembered that at the time the Russians moved into the Dombas Region there were more than 100,000 Kiev Government troops deployed along the 'line of contact' (the populations of Luhansk and Donetsk having been compressed into small areas near the Russian border) Those troops were assembled for a final sweep into those two areas to clear them of ethnic Russian Ukrainians, a genocidal attack. Those who did not flee to Russia could only have stayed where they were and probably killed.
This from 2014 is interesting, especially if any one has doubt about the existence of Nazi ideas in Ukraine ruclips.net/video/ICkcyt87Lw0/видео.html
What remains of that assembly of Ukrainian Government troops is now trapped by Russian Forces in the Dombas Region. I don't expect the Russians to treat them kindly if they do not surrender. Putin will have in mind what it was they intended to do.
Thank you so much for mentioning this!
Thanks for this clear objective analysis. Much as I admire Chomsky, I was disappointed at his glaring omission of this issue.
Very good. The Minsk Accords not implemented and the US funding and training the Nazi infiltrated, anti-Russian Ukrainian government forces gave Russia no choice but to invade.
@@deonliebenberg3445 Noam "covered" that by pointing out that there are *technically* not "illegal" moves which are "morally" criminal. It also follows from his overall approach that it really makes very little difference whether actions by an official enemy government are technically or actually "war crimes" or "violations of international law" since the latter is neither self-enforcing nor has it ever been enforced against the U.S. and its allies and clients, even after official declarations and court judgments. If it's "good enough" for the U.S. and its allies to do and get away with, it is cynically "good enough" for any other Power to do it and get away with it.
I just watched the video in the link. It is shocking, but also very short, missing context and not enough proof to start a war. Who is that guy? Is there more information like this? Any official documents?