Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Commentary with
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Rob Hill joins me for a commentary to Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.
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I love Oliver but the world needs as much Rob Hill as it can get!
I came to say just this
The combination of Oliver and Rob is priceless
Definitely he's fantastic
All the other bunkers would be targets. This one is probably not registered or known to the AI with it being so old. Just a thought.
John Conner: "There is no fate but what we make."
Hollywood: "Hold my beer!"
"There is no fate but what we make." Cringe!
@@UberMicroRepairs Thanks for the insightful response.
Terminator 1 and 2 always made sure to remind the audience that the T800 was a threat, even in T2 he was a walking killer - T3 immediately made him into a joke which results in him having zero edge for the rest of the film.
I thought the coffin was one of the better clever ideas the movie had as a way to explain why Sarah Connor was no longer around but showing she was still f*&kin bad ass! Hats off to whoever came up with that idea.
@1:02:41….Oliver once again speaks what I’ve been thinking …how come we never get to see the T-1000’s operating system or what he sees …
I think Arnie looks a bit bigger in this when he arrives than in T2 where he is much smaller than the original Terminator when he arrives.
1:01:31 Similar to the 'insert text about weapon here' in one of the X-COM games, a character is shown studying a display of Lorem Ipsum. 😂
Funky funky, that funky man.
Its your favorite song in the film, Oliver.
It’s just that great!
Talk to the hand!
Can you do a commentary on either Road House (1989) or Starship Troopers (1997) sometime soon?
definitely need an Oliver Starship Troopers commentary
I absolutely love these commentaries with you and Rob!
The major fumble in this film - among quite a few others - is that we had bad Arnie in the first one, and good Arnie in the second. This one should have started with good Arnie, then committed to him going bad for the second half of the film. Instead they just have him beat up on a car for a little bit.
This film was so ahead of it's time, Now looking back at the last 20 years of cinema, everyone copied the T3 formula of regurgitating IP's with no new ideas.
I'd say the problem with T3 was the new ideas. I didn't care to see a cheap looking Terminator comedy film.
Now This Is Podracing!
I remember the day you posted your retrospective on T3. Hard to believe that was 9 years ago
I still have that initial commentary
@@madcapmakov2 Oh his review is on RUclips, not sure what you mean by “still have”
@@VenusHeadTrap2 The commentary with the former member that shall not be named.
@@madcapmakov2 Oh, you’re quite lucky
@@madcapmakov2 Those old commentaries were shite anyway so no great loss
Great commentary guys! Didn't disappoint, can't wait for Genisys. When I think of Nick Stahl I think of his breakout film Man Without A Face 1993, which I thought he was pretty good (maybe better a low-key drama).
Hi Oliver, I enjoyed watching your 4K collection videos. Could you please do one someday showing off your Blu-ray collection?
I hope you guys do Salvation next. That one has many flaws, but has some good things going for it, I loved your retrospect on it and I’d love to hear you and robs thoughts on that one. Thanks for another great commentary I always love your insight.
Having a HUD as a robot sort of makes sense for robocop as he's still partially human and feeding data visually makes some sense. For the terminator is makes no sense but I'm not sure how you do a shot from the terminators view realistically. I guess a visualization of a machine vision classification thing with a bit of movie magic.
Wow what a treat 😅 here we go!
The tank like T1 is the original version of the terminator skeleton not the hk tanks,the hk is an advanced drone
I like T3, i don't care what the unlikers say..
Perfect, thanks Oliver!!
The reason John Connor acts the way he does in this film is because he no longer believes he’s going to be a great leader. The opening of the film establishes that he’s lost his place in this world having destroyed Skynet in T2. He is now aimless. He would not be a conspiracy theorist or try to develop a following of people because he believes that that future is not happening. That is why they show him as a wanderer. He has no place in the world. No purpose.
Just because it's in the script doesn't make it a good idea.
I've long maintained that there are only two potential pitches for another Terminator movie which would actually work...
1/ Show the future war (and no, I don't mean day light Terminator: Salvation). Show a group of desperate rebels and in the final act, show a de-aged Michael Bhein step into the time machine. Go full circle. Show the dark, perpetual night time future with the pink laser beams.
2/ Make another Terminator movie where Arnie is once again the threat. When was the last time that Arnie portrayed an antagonist? Oh, that's right; the original film (again; I do NOT count the CG cameo in Salvation)! It would be novel and shocking to see him play the antagonist lead again at this point.
Most of all though; make it a mid budget, raw film. Give an up and coming director a chance to flex their creative muscles, free of studio interference. Don't spend $200 million on the production. Take a risk and spend $60 million and allow the creativity to flow free.
It's not f-ing rocket science.
Wow that was great 😅 as a fan of t3 for some odd reason, rob made so many really decent points here.
Great listen.
Would love to see you two on a commentary of jp3 😅
You sure do find lots of things funny.
17:15 there is a pretty good fan edit, called "Terminator 3: the Coming Storm" fixes many issues- still very flawed, but pushed the movie from being a thumbs down, to a thumbs up.
I will never watch the theatrical version again (only the fan edit)
saw it too, I definitely agree
Hi Oliver. Opinions on the new road house film?
You need RJ and DC back
Guessing we'll be getting a commentary for the next 3 movies too, Can't wait for Genisys that one needs a good bollocking.
I don’t think so because they also have Alien 3 and RoboCop 2 if they decide
I went to see this in the cinema when it was released in 2003 and it was an incredibly hot summer that year. I don't know if it was going from 35 odd degrees outside to an air conditioned cinema, or maybe the film just bored me, but I fell asleep after about ten minutes and woke up right at the end. I also think I may have dodged a bullet there.
Halloween already 🤭 looking forward your commentary.
What?
I don’t understand how anyone can hate this film. It’s obviously not on the level of the first two, but there’s still a lot to like here and I was thoroughly entertained by it.
1:09:05 Oliver Harper vapes. Confirmed.
I believe it was Rob, Oliver was speaking over the vape sound.
You guys rock. Did no one bring up the soldier "Candy" that the T-800 is based on? 😂 Thanks guys.❤
when I saw this at the time of release, I actually liked it quite a bit. It may have been that I had very low expectations and it surpassed them. But on rewatches it just doesn't feel like a sequel to T2. John ending up where he's "supposed" to be at the end is a neat sci-fi twist, but not a good Terminator twist
Considering there's no realistic way to live up to expectations with a follow up to a perfect film, I never thought T3 was all that bad, especially acknowledging the obvious fact it's not a Cameron film. It's like comparing apples to oranges, there's just no way to follow that act. Jim himself even admitted thirty years ago when he stated that he'd told all the story he wanted to tell and didn't want to do another follow up or a future war film.
To its credit, they tried a few new things and at least had a cohesive and self-contained story that was told in a single movie, instead of trying the obnoxiously tiresome "this is the start of a new trilogy" garbage, which is nothing more than euphemistic pretense from filmmakers who don't have any idea what kind of story they intend to tell or why they need more than one film to tell it.
Just really never been a fan of the movie. But i gotta say the ending gives me absolutely goosebumps. The score with the nukes going across the world is terrifying.
It says a lot that T3 is easily the LEAST worst of the sequels following on from T2.
Tell that to genisys and dark fate
I'd rather watch Salvation
@@BRIANOCONNOR2003 The two worst movies in the franchise?
@@Right_Said_Brett yes
@Right_Said_Brett To me the last good movie was terminator 3
it feels like a TV show :/
I can’t give you guys enough thumbs up. 100% agree with your comments.
Rocket man...
Desire is irrelevant. I am A MACHINE
what about you leave a time stamp so we synch it with the film?
Talk to the hand✋
I liked the final appearance of earl boels dr sliberman in a cameo where he still doesn't believe what he saw in T2. I also thought Clare Danes was fine as Kate Brewster would've liked to have seen her play the character again.
I've always liked Terminator 3 even though it is too similar to T2. But the practical effects in this with the TX endoskeleton and the T 800s were amazing.
Any chance of a Predator 2 commentary? I'd love your thoughts on how all of the great quartet of series - Alien, Predator, Terminator and Robocop slid down into pure B-Movie territory. I've felt that the first (and occasionally second) films were all B-Movies made into A-Movies by the quality of the A-list director and cast.
Later sequels just faltered under poor direction, studio meddling and weight of expectations.
This commentary came along at the best time. Need some cheering up. Hopefully neither of you will have to watch this POS again
Completely agree.. the cinematography and wardrobe is terrible
I remember my friend went to see this before me when it came out and I was intrigued to ask him how Arnie ended up getting a biker outfit again and he said you don't want to know lol. I did go to see it and always remember how disappointed I was with the film. Cheap knock off to T2.
“We got Chris Hardwick, that’s all that matters.”
saw this movie at the theater when i was 15.. i remember not being super impressed. the breast enlargement scene is still gold though :)
I guess the concept that the story would take place during judgement day messed with being able to set any of it at night.
I honestly think they'd have been better off scrapping most of the first 50% of the script and have the enemy terminator's objective to become the physical agent to switch Skynet into the military systems. Then most of the film would be the main characters having to survive from all of the proto-terminators in the military base.
Please look at The Omen franchise.
The movie is pretty bad, especially compared to the first two films. It got even worse later on though. You are right to point out the potential. T3 could have been a lot better with some tweaks. A different actor to play John Connor for a start. That was a horrible miscast. The concept for the Terminator wasn't great either...
I thought the ending is quite good. But I agree with your points that the set-up of John Connor as the resistance leader is very unbelievable.
Always love these commentaries. T3 was actually Rated R in the US. I refused to watch this film at the cinema as I thought 12A what a farce. Got it on DVD and later Bluray but it’s such a weird film. Daytime footage can hurt certain characters. Batman for example doesn’t look right in the daytime.
Awesome commentary as always. I live for T1 and T2, but this movie is all kinds of whack.
The directors of these sequels are hacks.
This is the one Terminator film that both annoyed and made me cringe.
All of the comedic gags and sexist depictions of the T-X was pretty embarrassing to watch for me as a teen.
It’s funny how that bad quality was later topped by Genisys which solidified the Terminator into a mockery.
sexist?
You have to care or be interested in the characters and well...... compared to T1 and T2, they were strong and gritty and T3... weak and dull and the T3 terminator woman is amazing and ruthless and some of the scenes are great but like so many other franchises, by the 3rd, the stories just go off the rails and seems the spark and magic. Cameron did so good on T2 as he puts all into his work, but i think watching T3 again is less of a shock and you can try to get into it a bit more.
Terminator Salvation minus its lackluster and forgettable ending was the best of the Terminator sequels to follow T2.
T2 was the best.
An attractive female form as the terminator always made sense to me, I mean they were supposed to be infiltration units, right?
Also yeah the car remote controlling scene is absolute bs. They had a similar scene in one of the Fastnfurious films.
Oliver picking on someone else's hair........😆🤣
Film didn’t happen. Not canon
Though there was only ever 2 Terminator films? There where some BAD fan fiction like this one. I only remember T1 & T2.
A guilty pleasure for sure. Glamorous trash.
I like the beginning and the ending, the rest feels like filler.
T3 really is a crappy movie. It isn't as bad as those last two ones in the franchise, though. Also: I absolutely love Jeremy Clarkson when I agree with him and when I don't. I generally don't consider people problematic. I am not part of the current fad of being allergic to nakedness in movies either. The faster that kind of prudishness and sexlessness passes away in Hollywood, the better. Would The Terminator have been better without the flesh? Would Total Recall? Body Heat? American Beauty? Return of the Living Dead? Police Academy? Deliverance? Deathstalker? Blue Velvet? Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers? Antichrist? Re-Animator? Clearly, the answers to all those are no. So it is for that Kristanna Loken scene in this. It isn't supposed to be watched by very small children, and it doesn't appeal to elderly Aunts and Sisters of Priests in the American Prohibition Era anyway. It was supposed to appeal to teenagers and adults of it's time. They could handle it.
Teens aren't old enough to see nudity. Stop acting like a little kid.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple having sex for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Maiming and Death, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple having sex for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Maiming and Death, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple going at it for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Death, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple going at it for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Battle, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
Who would ever own this disrespectful T2 copycat?
The female terminator was not good casting, she tries to look tough, but ends up looking bored the whole time. A terminator should look intense like Robert Patrick or Arnold.
Look. There are only two Terminator films. It's a franchise that never should have been a franchise. Just like Alien, Predator and Star Wars. Anyone who has nostalgia for this is just fooling themselves. The thing about this film is that it's just completely unnecessary at best and outright annoying at worst. I don't need to know that Judgement Day will always happen. The ending of T2 with it's hope for the future,not knowing what would happen,is perfect. This movie pretty much spits on that ending. It's bland and forgettable but it's not as bad as later films although that's not saying much. Plus the whole time travel thing is just a joke now. Salvation wasn't good but at least it did something different that didn't involve time travel.
The silly moments of T3 aside, how does it spit on the ending of T2? The mission of the Terminator in T2 (and Kyle in T1) wasn't to terminate Skynet before it could be created, it was to protect John so he would be alive in the future and win, because that's what happened in the future. It's not a hopeless ending that Judgement Day happens and the future plays out as foretold.
Such a bad movie.
What a horrid film
this film is terrible, the plot is gubbins and all the action scenes feel like some thing from jack ass. After I watched this I made the choice not to watch any of the future sequels, and that was the correct choice
If i had to pick this or dark fate i pick this.
never clicked so fast!!! let's do this 🤌