Loved being on the stream, thank you for having me on. Had a great time! You are one of the last people with a channel where your opinions are genuine, you always say what you feel and believe. Glad to see how well your channel has grown, well deserved
Tom just wanna echo Mike's sentiment about you pivoting to a "History of MK" or "History of Fighting games" type of channel. I would really enjoy that content and I think a lot of people would. It would also be cool if the podcast could continue and cover that topic as well, allowing Dave to chime in on the history topic and maybe getting PL and some of the other players who were around back then to give their perspective would be awesome content.
Tom you overlooked something with mk11. Remember the beta was custom allowed. They marketed mk11 with this as the allure to purchase it. Then out of nowhere in the Jax Kombat Kast they told us weeks before release it will be 2 tournament variations. A lot of people were upset about this.
Tom’s a real one. Really a shame what the community has done to him, his voice is needed now more than ever. Thanks Mike for hosting this conversation, really powerful stuff.
You know. Now that I think about it. Because of what the community has done to Tom and how Sonic is basically seen as the emperor of NRS and anything he says goes. How do they expect their scene to grow or get more money put into the tournament scene if this is how they treat people? MK fans are some of the dumbest and most malicious group of people and they expect their game to be on the biggest stage at EVO next summer?
I'm trying to change that notion one step at a time and hopefully this pushes Tom to be more active. Sonic is a great player but he's not the only voice that should be listened to. His BS will be called out and other voices will be listened to. The hate from his followers has 0 affect on me so they can't scare me off the way they do other people.
It reminds me of a twitter comment I saw when a bunch of the NRS community dog piled Chris G. I wish I could remember the person who said it to give them credit. "The NRS scene is the trailer park of the FGC." 😂
I never knew about all the history between Tom and the NRS community until this stream. It's crazy to me that someone could have so much done to them over pointing out issues with a game but I'm glad Tom never gave into it all and still fights the good fight.
I think Foxxy might be onto something about the name. I personally have talked to people who either have no idea that there even is an MK game released after MK11, or they’re aware that there’s a game called MK1, but they think it’s a remake of the original game. They don’t realize it’s a new game. And it’s not because the casual gamer is stupid. It’s just that not everyone keeps up with the latest gaming news. If you hear “MK1,” and you don’t know anything else about it, you’re just going to assume people are talking about the original MK.
I miss Tom’s commentary, I also mentioned he should share his war stories on his channel I think in one of him and Dave’s podcasts or streams. When I tested for MK 1, we weren’t allowed to play in Pro Komp events until 2024 or for 6 months I can’t remember. My brother played in CEOTaku 2023 since it wasn’t Pro Komp
Actually MK9 lived more than other nrs games because it was in tournament scenes for many years. MK9 is the most beloved because it made old players & fans to return to the game , MK9 was remake of all we loved about MK. Fast pace gameplay , all characters are broken, Best stroy mode, Best designs , stages, musics everything.
Incredible stream! I absolutely love your content Mike and I love MK Tom Brady’s content, seeing you 2 collaborate is wonderful. I would love to you see you guys do more discussions i genuinely enjoy these so much, it’s a shame Mk1 is ending so soon because there probably isn’t much left to talk about the game, (it’s probably for the bed that game goes tho let’s be real) but I’d love to see what you guys want next from Netherrealm!! Thank you for the wonderful stream Mike & Tom
Y’all never watched the Ed Boone interview where he confirmed that they was working on injustice 3 and they changed it to MK1 during the pandemic. I’m surprised about some of the people that didn’t know about that when a lot of content care is covered that interview.. the interview came out around during the rollout of MK1
I don't think Max was toxic positive but I do think he gave NRS a pass on everything and blamed WB for everything. I did not hear him hold NRS accountable for anything in that video. That's my only criticism. IMO NRS deserves most of the blame. If you wanna split that up 51% NRS and 49% WB that's fine with me but they are definitely where the design decision buck stops.
Great conversation. Tom never stops saying the painful truth. I will only disagree with you in one particular thing..... the price of a DLC. Me personally i didn't mind when I payed 49.99 for year 2 season pass on SF6. Why? Because it's a great fighting game, i understand how things works nowadays and i want this game to go on for many years to come. 49.99 for only 4 characters. MK1 isn't worthy of 49.99, even with a AAA cinematic experience and 6 characters. Because the core of the game is weak and its a mutated abomination, not even a shadow of its former self.
@@edd4131 I respect your opinion and I don't blame you but if you're on the FG genre, you know how it goes. Pre orders, early access stuff etc.... just because you want to be competitive online, labbing in training mode for hours etc. Fighting games consume my time and for the rest genres i will pay 20-30 euros after a year when another game's price drops. Thus is how it goes
3:17:56 Mike I feel the exact same way but instead of Hanzo I feel more connected to Kuai as Sub-Zero and after seeing how NRS ruined these two characters and butchered the rest of the cast being as well there's just no connection with these versions of the characters, also it doesn't help that they all play different from previous NRS games except for Li Mei, Nitara, Ashrah and Havik these four character's move sets were super fun, but honestly I hope the next installment (if they really care about us) they give us a game with MK9's gameplay along with the run meter MKX's version and combine them with no kameos or variations just give us characters with al of their classic kits no revamps or new gameplay mechanics just stick to what worked from MK9 and MKX. That's what I personally want tbh. PS also just keep the og midway versions of the characters nobody asked for everyone's personalities to be changed. Also Tom you're an awesome guy just try and ignore these brain dead idiots you only spoke the truth of what we were all thinking about NRS's decisions with their games and you were on point to almost all of them from what I recall, just know that your voice is important and I hope it reaches to those in nrs or to those that actually cares about the series.
WB as a whole has been failing. MK mean muddy. It just didn’t make the money that they’re used to which is pretty much a fail and then suicide squad kills the justice league completely bombed. So I just say work on injustice 3 and come back to MK 4 years from now. And the groundwork is already done because MK1 was going to be injustice 3 so all they have to do is just transfer from the custom Unreal Engine 4 to the Unreal 5 Engine.
3: 3:20 here’s my thoughts on NRS with their storytelling on some of the characters: - kyei Liang being Scorpion was one of the most egregious things NRS has ever done - Gender slopping Cyrax and sektor which hasn’t made it to the main roster since MK9 is like all y’all trying to sabotage yourselves? - and what made it worse is that Sektor steals all of Serena’s moments with subzero. I waited a very long time to get a retailing of subzero mythologies. And NRS leases it on some freaky, gender bent relationship that you would see somebody make fan art on Tumblr. - Mileena stealing Kitana’s moments with King Jarod. Another moment that people have waited, decades to see. - now I’m OK with Baraka backstory somewhat but my conspiracy theory is that they did the disease to keep their Yasss Queen Mileena human and her face changes only for kombat - Kenshi was red dragon in the 3D era the yakuza stuff is new, but they could’ve told that story better. I would’ve made him steal the red dragon, but their influences reach across multiple realms behind the scenes like a multiple realms illuminati. And they should’ve kept the motivations of his wife being killed by the red Dragon. And Takeda should still be his son not his cousin or nephew whatever it is. - Also I would’ve made Kia and Jataka DLC instead of the gender bent cyborgs and you would’ve had all four sisterhood of shadow members in the game, especially coming in off of the cage match animated movie from last year that would’ve been hype
1 thing about 3d gameplay is the stages are more capable of true beauty. Go back and play the arenas unlocked from the krypt in deadly alliance. Shit like the house of pekara is fucking gold.
MK1 is nothing like injustice 2 or injustice in general. I see reused assets from injustice like the clash dialogue intro, The Tea house looking similar to the Bar stage on metropolis injustice 2. Also I don't see shao as steppenwolf he reminds me of injustice 1 Ares. They share the same armor insignia plus the axe=Ares trait red energy etc.
@just_2swift Gameplay wise was the context. Gameplay wise, close to nothing. Mk1 have more similarities to Mk11 gameplay than any of the past games in terms of having grab KBs, tech os, duck os, n limitations on mids through out the roster.
@@zaybo_ The context was beyond gameplay wise. MK1 was a rushed job. Game was thrown together. Let's not forget Quan and Ermac were originally man roster but rushed development time constraints pushed them to DLC.
@@just_2swift injustice 2 was the most complete game nrs made outside of the practice mode. Gameplay aside, Mk1 still has little to no comparison to injustice. The only similarity I see is the clash interaction during the transition from character select to the beginning of a match
@@zaybo_ been telling these injustice haters everything after injustice 2 been trash. Injustice 2 is the best game they've done and that's because they used legacy from the 1st game. Polished all the issues. My thing is why haven't they've done this for MK yet. They've found the injustice formula.
Loved being on the stream, thank you for having me on. Had a great time! You are one of the last people with a channel where your opinions are genuine, you always say what you feel and believe. Glad to see how well your channel has grown, well deserved
Thanks for joining brother and sharing your stories. Looking forward to the next one!
Tom just wanna echo Mike's sentiment about you pivoting to a "History of MK" or "History of Fighting games" type of channel. I would really enjoy that content and I think a lot of people would. It would also be cool if the podcast could continue and cover that topic as well, allowing Dave to chime in on the history topic and maybe getting PL and some of the other players who were around back then to give their perspective would be awesome content.
Tom you overlooked something with mk11. Remember the beta was custom allowed. They marketed mk11 with this as the allure to purchase it. Then out of nowhere in the Jax Kombat Kast they told us weeks before release it will be 2 tournament variations. A lot of people were upset about this.
@@RealMikeHollowit’d be awesome to see lou on one of deez
@@ri_c_e yeah, I'd be happy to get Lou on for a chat some time.
Tom’s a real one. Really a shame what the community has done to him, his voice is needed now more than ever. Thanks Mike for hosting this conversation, really powerful stuff.
What did the community do to him? Kinda out of the loop on this one.
Heck yeah , something to hear tomorrow on the road as a truck driver , very entertaining stuff !
You know. Now that I think about it. Because of what the community has done to Tom and how Sonic is basically seen as the emperor of NRS and anything he says goes. How do they expect their scene to grow or get more money put into the tournament scene if this is how they treat people? MK fans are some of the dumbest and most malicious group of people and they expect their game to be on the biggest stage at EVO next summer?
I'm trying to change that notion one step at a time and hopefully this pushes Tom to be more active. Sonic is a great player but he's not the only voice that should be listened to. His BS will be called out and other voices will be listened to. The hate from his followers has 0 affect on me so they can't scare me off the way they do other people.
It reminds me of a twitter comment I saw when a bunch of the NRS community dog piled Chris G. I wish I could remember the person who said it to give them credit. "The NRS scene is the trailer park of the FGC." 😂
Yea i dont understand why Boon puts those polls up with all great options just to not put any in, mans just making it worse for them💀
True that.
I never understood how people say just wait the game will get better when MK has the shortest life span of the fighting games
Holding onto false hope for some weird reason.
Tom is hilarious! And very passionate about MK. Great interview!
I never knew about all the history between Tom and the NRS community until this stream. It's crazy to me that someone could have so much done to them over pointing out issues with a game but I'm glad Tom never gave into it all and still fights the good fight.
They've tried to sweep him under the rug but we're gonna keep him alive. He definitely didn't deserve all of that nonsense.
Hopefully he finds a new beginning within the fgc someday through another game and its community. We need more people like him around.
I think Foxxy might be onto something about the name. I personally have talked to people who either have no idea that there even is an MK game released after MK11, or they’re aware that there’s a game called MK1, but they think it’s a remake of the original game. They don’t realize it’s a new game. And it’s not because the casual gamer is stupid. It’s just that not everyone keeps up with the latest gaming news. If you hear “MK1,” and you don’t know anything else about it, you’re just going to assume people are talking about the original MK.
I miss Tom’s commentary, I also mentioned he should share his war stories on his channel I think in one of him and Dave’s podcasts or streams. When I tested for MK 1, we weren’t allowed to play in Pro Komp events until 2024 or for 6 months I can’t remember. My brother played in CEOTaku 2023 since it wasn’t Pro Komp
Always love hearing from Tom he's a living legend and deserves a lot more respect.
Actually MK9 lived more than other nrs games because it was in tournament scenes for many years. MK9 is the most beloved because it made old players & fans to return to the game , MK9 was remake of all we loved about MK. Fast pace gameplay , all characters are broken, Best stroy mode, Best designs , stages, musics everything.
Incredible stream!
I absolutely love your content Mike and I love MK Tom Brady’s content, seeing you 2 collaborate is wonderful. I would love to you see you guys do more discussions i genuinely enjoy these so much, it’s a shame Mk1 is ending so soon because there probably isn’t much left to talk about the game, (it’s probably for the bed that game goes tho let’s be real) but I’d love to see what you guys want next from Netherrealm!!
Thank you for the wonderful stream Mike & Tom
Y’all never watched the Ed Boone interview where he confirmed that they was working on injustice 3 and they changed it to MK1 during the pandemic. I’m surprised about some of the people that didn’t know about that when a lot of content care is covered that interview.. the interview came out around during the rollout of MK1
I don't think Max was toxic positive but I do think he gave NRS a pass on everything and blamed WB for everything. I did not hear him hold NRS accountable for anything in that video. That's my only criticism. IMO NRS deserves most of the blame. If you wanna split that up 51% NRS and 49% WB that's fine with me but they are definitely where the design decision buck stops.
Great conversation. Tom never stops saying the painful truth. I will only disagree with you in one particular thing..... the price of a DLC. Me personally i didn't mind when I payed 49.99 for year 2 season pass on SF6. Why? Because it's a great fighting game, i understand how things works nowadays and i want this game to go on for many years to come. 49.99 for only 4 characters. MK1 isn't worthy of 49.99, even with a AAA cinematic experience and 6 characters. Because the core of the game is weak and its a mutated abomination, not even a shadow of its former self.
Hell nah. Paying the price of another game for any amount of characters is crazy work. 😅 even for something solid as SF
@@edd4131 I respect your opinion and I don't blame you but if you're on the FG genre, you know how it goes. Pre orders, early access stuff etc.... just because you want to be competitive online, labbing in training mode for hours etc. Fighting games consume my time and for the rest genres i will pay 20-30 euros after a year when another game's price drops. Thus is how it goes
36:18 the fight Cade community is alive and well and UMK3 is beyond broken with characters having infinites like reptile and kung Lao
3:17:56 Mike I feel the exact same way but instead of Hanzo I feel more connected to Kuai as Sub-Zero and after seeing how NRS ruined these two characters and butchered the rest of the cast being as well there's just no connection with these versions of the characters, also it doesn't help that they all play different from previous NRS games except for Li Mei, Nitara, Ashrah and Havik these four character's move sets were super fun, but honestly I hope the next installment (if they really care about us) they give us a game with MK9's gameplay along with the run meter MKX's version and combine them with no kameos or variations just give us characters with al of their classic kits no revamps or new gameplay mechanics just stick to what worked from MK9 and MKX. That's what I personally want tbh. PS also just keep the og midway versions of the characters nobody asked for everyone's personalities to be changed.
Also Tom you're an awesome guy just try and ignore these brain dead idiots you only spoke the truth of what we were all thinking about NRS's decisions with their games and you were on point to almost all of them from what I recall, just know that your voice is important and I hope it reaches to those in nrs or to those that actually cares about the series.
WB as a whole has been failing. MK mean muddy. It just didn’t make the money that they’re used to which is pretty much a fail and then suicide squad kills the justice league completely bombed. So I just say work on injustice 3 and come back to MK 4 years from now. And the groundwork is already done because MK1 was going to be injustice 3 so all they have to do is just transfer from the custom Unreal Engine 4 to the Unreal 5 Engine.
3: 3:20 here’s my thoughts on NRS with their storytelling on some of the characters:
- kyei Liang being Scorpion was one of the most egregious things NRS has ever done
- Gender slopping Cyrax and sektor which hasn’t made it to the main roster since MK9 is like all y’all trying to sabotage yourselves?
- and what made it worse is that Sektor steals all of Serena’s moments with subzero. I waited a very long time to get a retailing of subzero mythologies. And NRS leases it on some freaky, gender bent relationship that you would see somebody make fan art on Tumblr.
- Mileena stealing Kitana’s moments with King Jarod. Another moment that people have waited, decades to see.
- now I’m OK with Baraka backstory somewhat but my conspiracy theory is that they did the disease to keep their Yasss Queen Mileena human and her face changes only for kombat
- Kenshi was red dragon in the 3D era the yakuza stuff is new, but they could’ve told that story better. I would’ve made him steal the red dragon, but their influences reach across multiple realms behind the scenes like a multiple realms illuminati. And they should’ve kept the motivations of his wife being killed by the red Dragon. And Takeda should still be his son not his cousin or nephew whatever it is.
- Also I would’ve made Kia and Jataka DLC instead of the gender bent cyborgs and you would’ve had all four sisterhood of shadow members in the game, especially coming in off of the cage match animated movie from last year that would’ve been hype
Tom make more videos of your competitive past and the nuances thereof
Sick outro Mike m8! Old Tekken music always gives me goosebumps.
1 thing about 3d gameplay is the stages are more capable of true beauty. Go back and play the arenas unlocked from the krypt in deadly alliance. Shit like the house of pekara is fucking gold.
Screw that. What's your opinion on survivor series?
I'm still watching. On the Nakamura match right now. It's been solid so far.
@@RealMikeHollow Do you love SonicFox more than Jacob Fatu loves Solo?
@@Ajeezay21 😂😂😂 I don't know if that's even possible.
I liked Tom’s comparison to Diablo bc I play both Mk and D4 and both have launched with the same bullshit going on. Shout out to Raxxanterax.
People didnt know what came after mk11?????? LMFAOOO bro can the nrs community cope ANY harder? 😂 i cant this is gold
I still watch the podcast with Aris, Tombrady, JOP, and Eddypistons. Just the good old days of the fgc.
Let’s gooo
Am I really first?
It's from a live stream so technically 501st 😂
Mike gotta stop comparing injustice to Mk1. It's nothing like injustice. Anyone who played injustice would agree
MK1 is nothing like injustice 2 or injustice in general. I see reused assets from injustice like the clash dialogue intro, The Tea house looking similar to the Bar stage on metropolis injustice 2.
Also I don't see shao as steppenwolf he reminds me of injustice 1 Ares. They share the same armor insignia plus the axe=Ares trait red energy etc.
@just_2swift Gameplay wise was the context. Gameplay wise, close to nothing. Mk1 have more similarities to Mk11 gameplay than any of the past games in terms of having grab KBs, tech os, duck os, n limitations on mids through out the roster.
@@zaybo_ The context was beyond gameplay wise. MK1 was a rushed job. Game was thrown together.
Let's not forget Quan and Ermac were originally man roster but rushed development time constraints pushed them to DLC.
@@just_2swift injustice 2 was the most complete game nrs made outside of the practice mode. Gameplay aside, Mk1 still has little to no comparison to injustice. The only similarity I see is the clash interaction during the transition from character select to the beginning of a match
@@zaybo_ been telling these injustice haters everything after injustice 2 been trash. Injustice 2 is the best game they've done and that's because they used legacy from the 1st game. Polished all the issues. My thing is why haven't they've done this for MK yet. They've found the injustice formula.
Love Brady