As Sotho man from the Free State we have no interest in becoming a part of Lesotho, but if Lesotho wants to become the 10th province of South Africa I'm very open to that. If not Lesotho must not have an inch of the Free State land
They have sold their Lesotho land to Chinese now they want to come and sell Free State to China.... They must just agree to be 10nth province of South Africa that is the best decision....
The only reason there is a kingdom of Lesotho is because it became a British Protectorate. Otherwise it would have been incorporated into RSA long time ago.
Well i never, now Lesotho wants to jump on the band wagon. Lesotho needs to keep their zama zamas out of our beautiful country and get their own affairs in order.
Hypocrisy is a big sin South Africa knows very well that sothos were driven from their fertil soil to the mountains by the whites during apartheid but now they can take this issue so easy like this gentleman because they are now in themogracy
Xhosa Kingdom and tshivenda Kingdom and Mpondo Kingdom just bring the Basotho Kingdom in the fold, the people of Lesotho already reside in Mzansi and later on bring Baswati Kingdom. Their are even claiming umhlaba wamaMpondo. Mabahlukane netsangu aba.
Basotho in Lesotho must work hard to build the Lesotho and its economy, then they must start making noise, the Amarashiya are flocking to Gauteng just because there is hunger in Lesotho, and they are here with rifles bombing ATMs and illigaly mining as their first job. Lesotho must stop it, otherwise we shall teach them a lesson as dealing with our frastration for all soldiers lost in Congo
South Sudan case is different because it does not violate the right to self determination. The South Sudanese wanted to be separate. No one knows if the SA sotho want to separate from SA and be part of Lesotho
There was no country called south Africa, it's amazing how people who said there are free, but still called themselves south Africa, the name that was given by apartheid government the settlers called that place south Africa not black people who claimed to be free, but still they still leave in mecucu they don't own any land they leave like pigs but they want lecture us about Lesotho and it's land that was taken by whites settlers
@@MaryMashaleTo be fair, we are fine with letting you keep your sovereignty. If you claim our land we can remind you that you exist because we let you exist.
You call us Basothos in South Africa Zama Zamas not knowing that you stole parts of our country. Pushing us to the mountains. How do you live in the mountains leaving the fertile land behind.
He mentions Kenya. Kenya would even be worse if that proposal is taken. Tanzania would have to give up all Maasailand which is from Dodoma to whole of the north. Close to half of TZ. Then Kenya would have to give up whole of North Eastern to Somalia, which is roughly a third of Kenya. Then we would have a war with Uganda because they would ask for Western Kenya while we ask for Eastern Uganda, because it's the same communities leaving across. Total chaos. It would be a complete breakdown of today's civilization, and an emergence of new ones that would be based I don't know on what. But it will happen eventually. Why would these stay forever? Nothing ever lasted in human history.
RWANDA PRESIDENT AND USA PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SAID THEY SUPPORT LESOTHO TO GET THEIR LAND IN FREE STATE RWANDA PRESIDENT SAID HE WILL ASSIST LESETHO IN ANY WAY THEY NEED ASSISTANT TO GET THEIR LAND BACK.
If that happens then I support giving back the West Coast and Texas to Mexico. Give back all of the Louisiana territory to France. Alaska back to Russia, Florida to Spain and New York state to the Dutch.
People of Lesotho must ask nice if they want to be part of South Africa, not like this. Another thing Zama zamas the likes of Tiger and Terene 1 & Terene 2 can't be part of the deal, they rather be sent to Antarctica or something.
Still remember in 1998 SANDF disarmed the Lesotho defense forces so i think that issue of land will turn to something but Lesotho 🤔 weakest Military better to stop that debate immediately
Basotho in Lesotho and Free State know very well that the land of Basotho up to the Lekwa River was annexed by the Boers and belonged to Basotho. However, I think we should settle for the current borders to maintain stability and progress. This person you're interviewing is wishy washy and doesn't seem to know the history.
This prof, doesn't understand what he is talking about, he is just talking but he don't even have clue of what had happened.. let me help this poor prof with a little information he doesn't have, this case of Lesotho have been in UN long ago before this poor prof was born, and also the judgement was delivered, the then government of south Africa lost this case, but it seems there so called prof have clue, of what had happened. The question is very simple is part of south Africa belong to Lesotho or not? The answer is yes! So I don't know what he is trying to create here, because we all know that some parts of south Africa belongs to Lesotho it may not sounds well to prof but it doesn't change the fact that some parts of south Africa belong to Lesotho, and if south Africa believe that Gaza belong to Palestine so as some parts of south Africa belong to Lesotho
As a Mosotho of Lesotho, the return of Free State to Lesotho will be a high political process that can only be precipitated by utter chaos in the Union of SA accompanied by near miraculous turn of fortunes in the mountain kingdom. A one in a millenium event akin to the return of jews to palestine. So much as I would love to see the return of Moshoeshoe's lands that were stolen by the whites, it is a political nonentity and pipe dream. However, SA will disintegrate into different constituent homestates in not a very distant future in historical terms. The winds of change are blowing in SA and agitating for secession, Western Cape and KZN are already firing warning shots. All it will take is a fuse that lights the fire. And with SA generally atrophying as an economic power, civil unrest will increase together with the agitation for those who want independence. From a purely political stance, Lesotho cannot pursue this officially as it would sour critical relationship with SA. However, if I ever join Lesotho government, I would make it a policy of Lesotho government to prepare to cease an opportunity if it ever came, like for instance the disintegration of SA, which is not a matter of IF but WHEN. The writing is on the wall guys, SA is in decline, and I am afraid the spiral cannot be arrested. Zulus already think KZN should get out of the Republic, WC already entertains it, all it will take is an internal distirbance and chances will be taken.
I think the trigger point that may lead to KZN becoming independence would be the ANC/GNU taking the land protected by this new expropriation act. This act has nothing to do with yt peoples land, this has always been about the land belonging to the Zulu Mornarchy and Zulu people
Lesotho is mostly baPhuthi and AmaZizi land, a Nguni group. BaSotho only arrived in Lesotho during the Mfecane /Difaqane. Eastern Free State is Nguni territory, having been land of the Ntungwa (abasemaNdlovini), amaHlubi and Ngwane people.
Khoisan have the right to claim lesotho and whole of SADC,you exists because all of you especially basotho seemed protection from the white the British so it became British protectorates
@@ohlangeni This is very much not true. Why did both the Free State and Cape Colony see Moshoeshoe as the owner of the land in their dealings with the Free State if it was Nguni land?
Lesotho is mostly baPhuthi and AmaZizi land, a Nguni group. BaSotho only arrived in Lesotho during the Mfecane /Difaqane. Eastern Free State is Nguni territory, having been land of the Ntungwa (abasemaNdlovini), amaHlubi and Ngwane people.
@@dn822 KhoiSan tribes merged into Nguni and Sotho speaking peoples. They are us. Colonists' delusion be damned For example, majority of Black South African women are of direct (mtDNA) descent. Nguni and Sotho-Tswana are up to 50% KhoiSan in autosomal DNA. See the SA Human Genome Programme 2021
Truth be told we can just say no to Lesotho and ignore them. They have no real means to force the land from us. Plus with the added fact that South africahas between 4 to 7 million Sotho people compared to the 2 million that Lesotho has and they don't want to be part of Lesotho as well.
Why didn't you Lesotho make this call during apartheid time? You were scared of those who were running SA then..Where does this momentum come from??Are there some influences?
Batswana are not desperate, botswana is doing well on its own, does not need SA land/population. North West has platinum, coal but Botswana is not making noise. They don't even care about sun city😅
I have said it before and I shall say it again. If Lesotho ever invades SA with brooms and sticks we are in serious trouble. The SANDF, navy, Airforce and police service are in such a state I think we would all have to bow to a new Basotho king.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not just that. Western Cape could be first to break off, then KZN, then Free State becomes Lesotho. The reality is, what happened in the past, will happen again. People should not think there is anything permanent on earth. Y'all were not there at some point. Now you are. Governments and borders were not these. What makes anyone think these will last too? Like all history, they will keep changing.
Swaziland, Namibia, Botswana and Lesotho should all be part of Sout Africa. Problem is, Afrikan presidents are power hungry and will never give up their status.
South Africa should be part of Namibia, part of it is Lesotho, part of it is Botswana, and part of it Eswatini. But South African officials are so power hungry they cannot agree to give up their status.
Y'all must watch keenly because SA is in danger of disintegrating. In the end Lesotho could get its Free State, KZN could be independent or part of it Eswatini. And Western Cape is already moving towards secession
Why should Namibia be part of South Africa? That makes zero sense. That's like saying South Africa should be part of Zimbabwe. What is the basis behind Namibia being part of South Africa?
Easy. It never belonged to Lesotho in the first place. Just because Sotho speaking people stay there, doe not make it a part of Lesotho! They are over reaching!
@@mariahkamogelomoloisane6276You have no clue what you are talking about. What a silly thing to say. That would involve war, not just signing papers. All the men in your family Wil go fight for your clever idea?
Is this the land they have previously stated as belonging to the Boers, through either first settlement or through land sold to the Boers by the then leaders of Lesotho? Land they are prepared to give back to the Boer nation?
What I like about the boer history is that it tells u who they met and what happened even during the great trek it tells u who they met along the way like how the met the Zulu and made a agreement to settle some land only for the Zulu to ambush them later so it was not long when the boers migrated up its a question of did they purchase the land or take it by force?
As Sotho man from the Free State we have no interest in becoming a part of Lesotho, but if Lesotho wants to become the 10th province of South Africa I'm very open to that. If not Lesotho must not have an inch of the Free State land
They have sold their Lesotho land to Chinese now they want to come and sell Free State to China.... They must just agree to be 10nth province of South Africa that is the best decision....
DRC fight coming to SA
we did no ask for your opinion
The only reason there is a kingdom of Lesotho is because it became a British Protectorate. Otherwise it would have been incorporated into RSA long time ago.
Well narrated. They even forget that Citizens of those towns have the right to self-determination.
Besides....it might be easier to follow stock thieves if they become our province no.10
😂😂😂😂 Wow great statement
Lesotho and Eswathini must just be incorporated into South Africa PERIOD.
We can give it to them, but they must fight for it and win it. Our freedom was not cheap, our fathers died for this land
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Lesotho is South Africa and she must be back in the country.
What is free state views on sharing land with Lesotho?
Free State thinks Lesotho is no being practical. @@PumlaNzima
Jerrr our African coutries like competing with each other, couldn't this wait until DRC and Rwanda is resolved, sis
I am so disappointed and ashamed 😞, How did Basotho arrive there? We dont want civil war rena
@@GrannyRamoroka-di9hrthe issue has existed for over a century...it's not new
They can take KZN
Lesotho must be incorporated into South Africa 🇿🇦 🇿🇦 🇿🇦
dream on!
😂😂😂😂Continue with the mountain kerp u fit 😂😂😂
@@franklinchinasi1226 Who is dreaming and what is he dreaming about?
@@PumlaNzima I'm a South African and I'm in Pretoria (Tshwane). What are you saying? What about you? Are you a foreigner?
There is no part of anything. All these countries were created by the Berlin Conference.
Well i never, now Lesotho wants to jump on the band wagon. Lesotho needs to keep their zama zamas out of our beautiful country and get their own affairs in order.
Hypocrisy is a big sin South Africa knows very well that sothos were driven from their fertil soil to the mountains by the whites during apartheid but now they can take this issue so easy like this gentleman because they are now in themogracy
@@SimonTsieMy brother. South Africa has almost 3 times as many Sotho people as Lesotho. They didn't get driven away. They live here.
Lesotho and Eswatini must join South Africa and become South African provinces
😂😂😂😂😂Nope said the Queen 😂😂
@@PumlaNzimaThe queen has been gone for 2 years. That era of history is also gone.
Lesotho must be part of South Africa, so that the discussion of the Kingdom can easily be addressed same as the Zulu kingdom.
That is senseless talk
Awuhlukane noZulu wena
No more sassa money😅😅😅
Xhosa Kingdom and tshivenda Kingdom and Mpondo Kingdom just bring the Basotho Kingdom in the fold, the people of Lesotho already reside in Mzansi and later on bring Baswati Kingdom.
Their are even claiming umhlaba wamaMpondo. Mabahlukane netsangu aba.
Lesotho akuna metsi no mzansi please stay in yr mountain
Basotho in Lesotho must work hard to build the Lesotho and its economy, then they must start making noise, the Amarashiya are flocking to Gauteng just because there is hunger in Lesotho, and they are here with rifles bombing ATMs and illigaly mining as their first job. Lesotho must stop it, otherwise we shall teach them a lesson as dealing with our frastration for all soldiers lost in Congo
I agree with those who say make lesotho 10th province of Soth Africa.
South Sudan case is different because it does not violate the right to self determination. The South Sudanese wanted to be separate. No one knows if the SA sotho want to separate from SA and be part of Lesotho
There was no country called south Africa, it's amazing how people who said there are free, but still called themselves south Africa, the name that was given by apartheid government the settlers called that place south Africa not black people who claimed to be free, but still they still leave in mecucu they don't own any land they leave like pigs but they want lecture us about Lesotho and it's land that was taken by whites settlers
Sotho in SA don't want to be part of Lesotho.
They want to be our 10th province so bad 😂😂
Don't assume every Mosotho want to be part of you country maybe those dat are in you country
@@MaryMashale okay DIVA.
@@MaryMashaleTo be fair, we are fine with letting you keep your sovereignty. If you claim our land we can remind you that you exist because we let you exist.
We are not interested actually
@@FictionHubZAour existence has nothing to do with you
Rwanda is supporting Lesotho 😅😅😅
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You're getting too comfortable in our country, it's time for you to go back to zimbabwe
Lesotho cannot be poor while its land is so rich.i.e Free State
They don't have any land free state is part of south africa 😊
Guys. I have an idea. If Lesotho starts claiming land from us let's just say Lesotho belongs to South Africa.
Lesotho must be the 10th Province, finnish and klaar!! No mosotho in Free state wants to be part of Lesotho.
Then go live in KZN
Never
Lesotho must stop dreaming
You call us Basothos in South Africa Zama Zamas not knowing that you stole parts of our country. Pushing us to the mountains. How do you live in the mountains leaving the fertile land behind.
He mentions Kenya. Kenya would even be worse if that proposal is taken. Tanzania would have to give up all Maasailand which is from Dodoma to whole of the north. Close to half of TZ.
Then Kenya would have to give up whole of North Eastern to Somalia, which is roughly a third of Kenya. Then we would have a war with Uganda because they would ask for Western Kenya while we ask for Eastern Uganda, because it's the same communities leaving across.
Total chaos.
It would be a complete breakdown of today's civilization, and an emergence of new ones that would be based I don't know on what.
But it will happen eventually. Why would these stay forever? Nothing ever lasted in human history.
Malema’s United one Africa country.😂😂😂
RWANDA PRESIDENT AND USA PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SAID THEY SUPPORT LESOTHO TO GET THEIR LAND IN FREE STATE RWANDA PRESIDENT SAID HE WILL ASSIST LESETHO IN ANY WAY THEY NEED ASSISTANT TO GET THEIR LAND BACK.
😂😂😂😂We haven't get back ours so not possible. Trump n Rwanda😂😂😂bangenaphi amanga 😂😂😂
If that happens then I support giving back the West Coast and Texas to Mexico. Give back all of the Louisiana territory to France. Alaska back to Russia, Florida to Spain and New York state to the Dutch.
This is what I want.#Bring back our land.
@@ChabeliSejaki Lesotho is a province on South Africa.
Stop lying
Lesotho is SA
😂😂😂what are they doing mara
Lets incorporate it into SA. Our cattle will cease to get stolen
People of Lesotho must ask nice if they want to be part of South Africa, not like this. Another thing Zama zamas the likes of Tiger and Terene 1 & Terene 2 can't be part of the deal, they rather be sent to Antarctica or something.
There's no such thing. The amount of misinformation is this video. 😒
Still remember in 1998 SANDF disarmed the Lesotho defense forces so i think that issue of land will turn to something but Lesotho 🤔 weakest Military better to stop that debate immediately
Basotho in Lesotho and Free State know very well that the land of Basotho up to the Lekwa River was annexed by the Boers and belonged to Basotho. However, I think we should settle for the current borders to maintain stability and progress. This person you're interviewing is wishy washy and doesn't seem to know the history.
It's a joke😂
War
True, like what is happening in DRC and Ruwanda, Palestinian and Israel 😢😢😢😢😢
This prof, doesn't understand what he is talking about, he is just talking but he don't even have clue of what had happened.. let me help this poor prof with a little information he doesn't have, this case of Lesotho have been in UN long ago before this poor prof was born, and also the judgement was delivered, the then government of south Africa lost this case, but it seems there so called prof have clue, of what had happened. The question is very simple is part of south Africa belong to Lesotho or not? The answer is yes! So I don't know what he is trying to create here, because we all know that some parts of south Africa belongs to Lesotho it may not sounds well to prof but it doesn't change the fact that some parts of south Africa belong to Lesotho, and if south Africa believe that Gaza belong to Palestine so as some parts of south Africa belong to Lesotho
So you say lesotho existed on its own or was created by as a British protection 😂😂😂
Lesotho is a province of South Africa.
To be honest Africa especially blacks believeit or not cursed people
Siyaqhelwa
As a Mosotho of Lesotho, the return of Free State to Lesotho will be a high political process that can only be precipitated by utter chaos in the Union of SA accompanied by near miraculous turn of fortunes in the mountain kingdom. A one in a millenium event akin to the return of jews to palestine.
So much as I would love to see the return of Moshoeshoe's lands that were stolen by the whites, it is a political nonentity and pipe dream.
However, SA will disintegrate into different constituent homestates in not a very distant future in historical terms. The winds of change are blowing in SA and agitating for secession, Western Cape and KZN are already firing warning shots. All it will take is a fuse that lights the fire. And with SA generally atrophying as an economic power, civil unrest will increase together with the agitation for those who want independence.
From a purely political stance, Lesotho cannot pursue this officially as it would sour critical relationship with SA. However, if I ever join Lesotho government, I would make it a policy of Lesotho government to prepare to cease an opportunity if it ever came, like for instance the disintegration of SA, which is not a matter of IF but WHEN.
The writing is on the wall guys, SA is in decline, and I am afraid the spiral cannot be arrested. Zulus already think KZN should get out of the Republic, WC already entertains it, all it will take is an internal distirbance and chances will be taken.
YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANYTHING 😂😂😂😂😂......
I think the trigger point that may lead to KZN becoming independence would be the ANC/GNU taking the land protected by this new expropriation act. This act has nothing to do with yt peoples land, this has always been about the land belonging to the Zulu Mornarchy and Zulu people
Lesotho is mostly baPhuthi and AmaZizi land, a Nguni group. BaSotho only arrived in Lesotho during the Mfecane /Difaqane.
Eastern Free State is Nguni territory, having been land of the Ntungwa (abasemaNdlovini), amaHlubi and Ngwane people.
Khoisan have the right to claim lesotho and whole of SADC,you exists because all of you especially basotho seemed protection from the white the British so it became British protectorates
@@ohlangeni This is very much not true. Why did both the Free State and Cape Colony see Moshoeshoe as the owner of the land in their dealings with the Free State if it was Nguni land?
Nix bahlanya ba lesotho
Lesotho is mostly baPhuthi and AmaZizi land, a Nguni group. BaSotho only arrived in Lesotho during the Mfecane /Difaqane.
Eastern Free State is Nguni territory, having been land of the Ntungwa (abasemaNdlovini), amaHlubi and Ngwane people.
And all off South Africa is KhoiSan land.
@dn822 Please Khoisan please go and also claim lesotho you were there before all lets see how they react
@@dn822 KhoiSan tribes merged into Nguni and Sotho speaking peoples. They are us. Colonists' delusion be damned
For example, majority of Black South African women are of direct (mtDNA) descent.
Nguni and Sotho-Tswana are up to 50% KhoiSan in autosomal DNA. See the SA Human Genome Programme 2021
@@ohlangeniAnd how did that happen...so it was k for you to come colonize here....and steal by the way
@modisemakokwe4256 doesn't matter how they react...you can even find there drawings on the Drakensberg
wat will the Zulus do
😂😂😂😂😂😂 eish
Truth be told we can just say no to Lesotho and ignore them. They have no real means to force the land from us. Plus with the added fact that South africahas between 4 to 7 million Sotho people compared to the 2 million that Lesotho has and they don't want to be part of Lesotho as well.
Auzoyiva!!😅
They must leave south Africa
Why didn't you Lesotho make this call during apartheid time?
You were scared of those who were running SA then..Where does this momentum come from??Are there some influences?
Lol, this issue was raised as far as the early 1900s. It's not new lol
@mantuli_ka1 It's a mission impossible and they know that
Batswana have to go for north west 😅😅😅
Batswana are not desperate, botswana is doing well on its own, does not need SA land/population. North West has platinum, coal but Botswana is not making noise. They don't even care about sun city😅
Atleast they have two provinces 😂😂😂 northern cape and North west . Good for them
How so when Batswana are originally South africans
wa nnyela wena north west ga se country
Botswana has a lot of land for the size of their population. I don't think they care to be honest.
If there's a tribal group that should get land it's the Khoisan why are the Lesotho people settled in Khoisan land?
Where do Khoisans live currently who are they?
You are speaking about non existent people. Their population is probably not even 50k
I have said it before and I shall say it again. If Lesotho ever invades SA with brooms and sticks we are in serious trouble. The SANDF, navy, Airforce and police service are in such a state I think we would all have to bow to a new Basotho king.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not just that. Western Cape could be first to break off, then KZN, then Free State becomes Lesotho.
The reality is, what happened in the past, will happen again. People should not think there is anything permanent on earth.
Y'all were not there at some point. Now you are. Governments and borders were not these. What makes anyone think these will last too? Like all history, they will keep changing.
Swaziland, Namibia, Botswana and Lesotho should all be part of Sout Africa. Problem is, Afrikan presidents are power hungry and will never give up their status.
South Africa should be part of Namibia, part of it is Lesotho, part of it is Botswana, and part of it Eswatini. But South African officials are so power hungry they cannot agree to give up their status.
Y'all must watch keenly because SA is in danger of disintegrating. In the end Lesotho could get its Free State, KZN could be independent or part of it Eswatini.
And Western Cape is already moving towards secession
Why should Namibia be part of South Africa? That makes zero sense. That's like saying South Africa should be part of Zimbabwe. What is the basis behind Namibia being part of South Africa?
Namibia was once part of South Africa so this idea is not far fetched though. @@EasyMoney-p8k
Botswana can rule itself hence their currency is stronger . They don't need u
There's high unemployment in SA ,our Lesotho neighbors must just give us a "break " already we're invaded by Zimbabweans and Nigerians we can't sorry
Tshepo just wanted to be a tourist in United nations
It's a sneak peek into the future. May not happen soon, but will happen.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lesotho claim of land in SA is VALID. How did free state end up in SA,when it belonged to Lesotho.
How does it belong to Lesotho
Swaziland also lost a big part of their country to the Western bullies that gave it to South Africa.
South Africa must annex Lesotho to be our tenth province followed by Swaziland as 11th province, the Namibia
Easy. It never belonged to Lesotho in the first place. Just because Sotho speaking people stay there, doe not make it a part of Lesotho! They are over reaching!
@@mariahkamogelomoloisane6276You have no clue what you are talking about. What a silly thing to say. That would involve war, not just signing papers. All the men in your family Wil go fight for your clever idea?
Is this the land they have previously stated as belonging to the Boers, through either first settlement or through land sold to the Boers by the then leaders of Lesotho?
Land they are prepared to give back to the Boer nation?
What I like about the boer history is that it tells u who they met and what happened even during the great trek it tells u who they met along the way like how the met the Zulu and made a agreement to settle some land only for the Zulu to ambush them later so it was not long when the boers migrated up its a question of did they purchase the land or take it by force?