Respekt për zotin Martin ju jeni Martin de rada i shekullit 21. Përqë te Arbreshët gjuha standarde përse . Zonja Ledi zonjë une rrallë pajtohem me një njeri 100% por me ju nê këtë emision dakordohem me ju 101% Respekt zonjë. Edhe ne njëmend duhet të jemi shumë faliminderues popullit Italian që nuk na kanë dashur të na asimilojnë sikur sllavët e grekët.
Respekt i madh.per arbereshet e italis bravo per emissioni kompliment. Zonja na bashkon gjaku dhe gjuha jon hynore bravo Martin ju duam jeni gjaku jon❤
Duhet te marrim shembull Nga Arbereshet si nga traditat e bukura qe Kane miresjellja gjuha etj etj eshte mrekullia e shqiperise dhe mburrja jone jane Arbereshet
My family escaped Albania (from Leskovik and Gjirokaster) in 1949 and went to Ioanina, Northern Greece as refugees. They spoke Tosk. They made it to the US in 1961. My mother was 9 when they fled Albania. Because she was schooled in Greece, she only knew how to speak Albanian, not read or write it. My grandparents and other relatives never attended school, so they also could only speak it. My father was also schooled in Greece. When my grandparents died, I rarely heard Albanian except for my fathers records and cassettes. But he died young and his records and cassettes were tossed. My family learned English and either spoke that or Greek, since there were few Albanians around and many Greeks here in NYC. I think I met my first Albanian in my 20’s and I couldn’t understand him. Now I have many Albanians in my city and still can barely understand them 😔 But I understand about 75% of what you spoke! I cried a little. I can also understand a good amount of Arvanitika, but there are hardly any Arvanitika speakers around anymore. I don’t know what language I learned from my family - some form of Tosk, with Greek, and Arvanitika added, which reflected their journey in life. I wish I had others who could speak it and help me to learn it better. I have no children, so no one to pass it on to, but it was my first tongue that my mother and grandmother sang to me in. It was the language my father tucked me into bed with at night and told me silly stories and sang to me in. And it’s a language that stirs my heart and makes it beat with joy, aching sadness, and pride.
Përshëndetje Martin! Do ishte mirë që edhe Greqia të njohë gjuhën arbëreshe, sot arvanite, se vërtet gjuha arbëreshe/arvanite po shkon drejt zhdukjes. Kalofshi mirë!
He is speaking Albanian like an Italian does I have relatives that are born and raised in Italy that speak like him. Old arbëresh after Ottoman invasion must’ve sounded different but it’s just amazing they kept their language after nearly 600 years we truly are very tough people.
2 года назад+10
Just like everybody in the world sounded different 600 years ago
@ yeah true but if you speak one language only and you live in one country there isn’t that much difference but you try to speak a language that is totally foreign to the one your living there is a big difference
SUKSESE MARTIN @VELLAI JONE ME I MIRE E PATRIOTE I VENDIT TE TE PAREVE TE TU @MOS U LODHE TE PROMOVOSH VLERAT E ORIGINES TONE TENDE @JU JEMI MIRENJOHES PER CDO GJE O VELLAJ VELLEZERIT TANE NE ARBERI @JU DUAM SHUME @RESPEKT @!🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽💘👋👋👋
❤Respekte Martin Per Ruajtjen te Vertetes ZOTIT GJUHES SHQIPES te Dinjitetit Kulturen e te Pareve Tan ARBERISHT Vlerat Krenari Gjithmon 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Your are an angel! You are maybe rescuing a whole culture and a whole language history. I hope you know you are BIG! It will may take a while but many many people will be thankful! ❤️🇮🇹🇦🇱❤️
Martin this is a very interesting and I am noticing, vast point of view shared between Arbereshe and Arvanites ‘speakers’. Although it is so interesting for me to notice that these dialects do have many ancient sounding words in comparison to the Albanian that I know. However, I would like to give you a perspective, an example starting with myself and adding family members who have been born in the UK. I was born in Tirana to two Gheg speakers, I learned the written dialect: Letrare added with some Gheg from my family that speak 100% Gheg dialect. Everyone I meet in Albania and from Albania in other countries tell me that I speak very clear in a way seemingly understood by everyone(Tosk and Gheg), in south they mostly assume I am an Albanian from Kosove, mid and North they identify I am from out of Alb. It is apparent to me that even though I am extremely fluent, the fact that I have adapted a native english accent has made it extremely hard for me as an Albanian born person to not have a slight english accent when speaking Albanian whether I am speaking Letrare (from Tirana) or Gheg words/phrases. Again I notice those born here have slight english accents when speaking albanian no matter how fluent they are. So I would like to form some questions based on this logic. 1. Is it possible that within the generations, accents have been added to Arbereshe speakers as they became fluent in Italian in the same way happens to me and others in the UK? I assume if my descendants had no contact with Albania ‘the country’ apart from me and others who spoke like me in the UK, Albanian would sound further away from the Albanian I learned as a child, also due to my assimilation with gjuha letrare and my Gheg background. We have therefore already created a different dialect and added an english sort of accent to our Albanian. Thus, I propose this can explain some differences between Arbereshe and Arvanites to Albanian. Do you agree this may have happened generation after generation more and more? 2. Gheg and Tosk are very different in dialect, however, I think it is impossible to call them different languages, it is obvious they are from the same branch. However this otherness I am nuancing from Arbereshe and Arvanites is not new, this exists in Albania v Kosovo, Albania v Maqedons and Veri v Jug. Is it possible that this otherness in speech and ‘accent’ is something that is inherent in Albanians? There is also a lot of competition from city to city, town to town. Can this possibly be deduced as something that is a part of who we are, due to our Besa traditions of seeing people outside of our fis as potential competitors? I see people with Tosk accents judge Gheg accents (possibly due to the written language being tosk) and Gheg speakers assume their dialect is the ‘original’ Albanian because of Enver Hoxha’s attempt at minimising Gheg influence in society. Do you believe Arbereshe and Arvanites reluctance to identify as albanian speakers may also derive from some sort of socio-political disagreements? (Such as no ottoman influence on the language etc) 3. Luckily I grew up in the UK as my first experience as a foreigner or immigrant. I did not have any typical stereotypes attached to me growing up as my friends and their parents did not know much about Albanians. However, is it possible that this reluctancy to claim Albanian and Arbereshe as the same language of Tosk and Gheg, because of certain discriminations faced by our people in countries that knew of them and may have formed some stereotypes of them? Could this explain why early Albanian immigration may have led to communities assimilating as much as possible? It seems (from outside) as though the more they accepted their Italian/greek citizenship the more they lost their connection to their Albanian land. (This is not minimising how beautifully the heritage has been cherished however). And to me it seems as the only reluctance is to claim a citizenship outside of the place they currently live (as I do see how distinct the Arbereshe are from native Italians) 4. Finally, a final question, is it possible that the religious ties that Arbereshe have, have also influenced them somehow? A saying goes, an Albanian’s religion is Shqiptar. I would love to find out more about traditions that Arbereshe and Arvanites hold that are not in keeping with abrahamic faiths, and any overlap they may have with Albanian paganism that has managed to survive throughout all of the foreign invasions and religious influence. Such as the equinox and Gjama e burrave (funeral rituals) etc. Finally, apologies if I am not 100% correctly informed, I only learned about the Arbereshe around 7 years ago and am yet to visit, but cannot wait! Therefore, I was wondering, if you know, have any DNA tests been recorded from all of these populations to record overlaps with Albanians? Sorry for the long message, I am crazy for anything remotely Albanian as I am super interested in my roots and the history of my ancestors.
I'm from the UK too, but I came here aged 2. I've always been interested in Albanian history. I've travelled to Italy often and have family who have intermarried with Arbreshe. Yes, it is possible that over generations, accents have been added to Arbereshe speakers as they became fluent in Italian, just as accents can change over time when a language is influenced by another English is an example of a language that changed over time due to influence from other languages. The Vikings brought Old Norse to England, which introduced new words and structures. The French language was also introduced during the Norman Conquest and had a significant impact on English vocabulary. More recently, English has been influenced by languages from around the world, resulting in new loanwords, idioms, and changes in grammar and pronunciation.. Thus, it is plausible that this may explain some differences between Arbereshe and Arvanites to Albanian. This has happened to Arvanites in Greece as unlike Italy, the Arvanites in Greece were discouraged from speaking Arvantika and forced to assimilate into a Greek identity. During the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in Greece, if you was a muslim Albanian you was referred to as a 'Turk', while an Albanian Christian as a 'Roman', this happens even today in Albania. Gheg and Tosk are indeed from the same branch, and although they are different dialects, they are not considered different languages. The otherness in speech and 'accent' between Albanians may be inherent due to cultural and socio-political factors such as competition from city to city and town to town. It is possible that Arbereshe and Arvanites reluctance to identify as Albanian speakers may derive from socio-political disagreements such as no Ottoman influence on the language and the fact that the Arbreshe belong to the Byzantine Rite of Eastern Catholic Church, which is rare in itself even in the Catholic Church. Discrimination faced by Albanians in different countries may have formed some unfavourable stereotypes of Albanians that could contribute to a reluctance to claim Arbereshe as the same language as Tosk and Gheg. Early Albanian immigration may have led to communities assimilating as much as possible, and the more they accepted their Italian citizenship, the more they may have lost their connection to their Albanian land. This has happened even as recently as the 90s, for example many children of Albanian immigrants to Greece claim they are Greek and at times hide their Albanian heritage. While for example in Switzerland, Albanians are more proud in claiming their heritage due to Switzerland not having negative stereotypes about them in the press. There may be traditions that Arbereshe and Arvanites hold that are not in keeping with Abrahamic faiths, but this is very rare and from personal experience i have seen that they are generally very strict with keeping to the teachings of the Catholic Church. This is something that was lost in Albania due to Ottoman influence and then later to the Hoxha regime. Many converted to Islam during the Ottoman Empire for an easier life as you would get taxed more heavily and treated as a secondary citizen if you claimed to be a Christian. So, even in Albanian itself over the generations many folk beleif's were lost. Lastly, I have always been interested in genetics and mostly have focused on the different fiset of Albania. I remember that the Arbreshe in Sicily from Piagna degli Albanesi are more closely related to modern Albanians genetically through DNA. While the Arbreshe from Calabria are usually closer to Southern Italians. The Y-dna of certain Arbreshe villages matches more closely to neighbouring Italian villages than Modern Albanians, showing that a part of the local Italian population were assimilated into the Arbreshe.
@@HK-pp9ig çdo version i shqipes ka huazimet e saj. Ashtu si shqipja arbëreshe ka nga litishtja është normale qe edhe shqipja e shqiperise te këtë turqizmat pas 500 vitësh pushtim. Kjo s'do te thotë që njera influencë është me e mire se tjetra, thjeshtë janë. Por, jam i idesë që huazimet duhen eliminuar dhe versionet e shqipeve të pasurojnë njera tjetrën. Psh, ne vënd që te themi halla, daja apo xhaxhai te përdorim versionet e bukura te arbëreshites, motërbabe, vllanana e vllababa.
@@bushiS E kuptoj, por kjo eshte profesoreshe dhe duhet te jete me e kujdesshme kur flet - ne vend te "zor" mund te thote "i/e veshtire", "kollaj=lehte", "qar= fitim"... e keshtu me radhe. Une vete perpiqem te flas shqip edhe kur shumica e shqiptareve perdorin fjale te "medha" te huajtura nga Italishtja, Greqishtja, apo Anglishtja. Ne lajme nje dite, gazetarja shqiptare tha "kongresmenja"... ne te vertete duhet ta perkthente "anetarja e Kongresit" ndoshta edhe "kongresistja" ... por ne po i marrim fjalete e huaja sic jane kongresmen/kongresmene! eshte "congresswoman" ne origjinal. Shume gazetare neper televizione perdorin flaje te huaja pa kuptim per te treguar qe dine shume(!). Nuk jam i sigurt nese ishte Shirak, por e di qe nje president francez nxori ligj per mediat te paguajne denim per fjalet e thena ne Anglisht kur e njejta fjale gjendet edhe ne Frengjisht. Ndoshta Shqiperia do te perfitonte nga nje ligj i tille.
Nuk pajtohem me Martinin kur thote se eshte kunder prurjeve te shqipes. Per faktin se gjuha arbereshe nuk eshte e levruar mire si gjuhe, eshte teper e limituar dhe e thjeshtuar si ne komunikim e lexim. Huazimet ndihmojne ne plotesimin e saj, te zhvillimit dhe kuptueshemerise ndaj dialekteve tjera shqipe, e si rrjedhoje i jep me shume dobi, vlere e rezistence si gjuhe. Perndryshe gjuha arbereshe po vanitet, po largohet dita dites nga trungu dhe nga dialektet tjera neper Itali, derisa ne nje kohe jo fort te larget te behet e padobishme e te zhduket fare. Ky ritem i fundit per te huazuar nga shqipja mund te ndihmoje per te perafruar dialektet me njera-tjetren ne aspektin e perkohshem te pakten. Ne 600 vjet nuk ka patur asnje riformatim dhe per mendimin tim gjuha arbereshe ka pak nevoje te rinjohe rrenjet e saje. Keshtuqe nuk duhet pare ne aspektin negativ e te tharte ashu si shpeshhere Martini ben te kuptoje.
@ Ne rregull eshte kjo, por une po them se kontakti i shqipes me arbereshet vetem sa i ndihmon keta te fundit per ta pasuruar gjuhen e tyre duke marre nga nje gjuhe simoter. Me lejoni t’ju rikujtoj se teza kryesore pse gjuha shqipe nuk eshte shuar eshte sepse pergjate kohes dialektet malesore, te cilat kane qene me rezistuese kundrejt asimilimit roman, i kane dhene dialekteve tjera simotra te shqipes te cilat mund te ishin pothuajse romanizuar pergjate perandorise romake. Kete rol mund ta luaje gjuha standarte sot me arbereshet. Nuk dua te keshilloj si te ruani kulturen tuaj, mirepo ky eshte mendimi im.
Pse duhet Arbërishtja të huazoj fjalë nga gjuha Shqipe, ti sugjeron te bëhet e padrejta e gjuhês Arberishte siç ju bë dialektit Geg ne Kongresin e Manastirit ?
''Hora'' eshte fjale greke qe do te thote vend. ''Hora e Arberesheve'' , dmth ''Vendi i Arberesheve''. nje pjese e mire e Arbersheve emigruan ne jugun e Italise nga Greqia sot (se aso kohe nuk kishte Greqi) , kryesisht nga Peloponezi qe aso kohe quhej More (prandaj dhe kenga e tyre , ''Moj e bukura More.. etj etj) dhe ne te folmen e tyre Arberishte, kishte edhe fjale greke..sic psh kjo Hora / qe dmth vend, apo ''Haristis'' qe tha Martini ne fund, qe dmth ju ''falenderoj'''.
@ dakord, e kuptova. por une thashe se cfare dmth ''Hora'' ne greqisht, pasi eshte fjale greke. prandaj edhe shqipen e sotme te Shqiperise e me gjere, kjo fjale nuk njihet, nuk ekziston.
@@Edu11 nuk e dime me saktesi nese hora eshte greqisht edhe pse mund ta perdorin dhe greket . Une di qe edhe sot ne laberi te vjetrit e perdorin fjalen hore
Nje emision shume i bukur, urime gjuhetares dhe Martiniy oer kontributin. Mos u merrni me shtetin se eshte i paafte por si popull i nje gjaku te mbajme gjalle biseden ne shqip cfaredo lloj ngjyre dialektore.
Respekt për zotin Martin ju jeni Martin de rada i shekullit 21.
Përqë te Arbreshët gjuha standarde përse .
Zonja Ledi zonjë une rrallë pajtohem me një njeri 100% por me ju nê këtë emision dakordohem me ju 101% Respekt zonjë. Edhe ne njëmend duhet të jemi shumë faliminderues popullit Italian që nuk na kanë dashur të na asimilojnë sikur sllavët e grekët.
You are doing a wonderful job Martin documenting protecting and expanding this beautiful and important language to the world 🇦🇱🇮🇹
thank you so much Denis.
Well done Martin 👏
pershendesim te gjith Arbereshet e;
Ukraines
Kroacies
Italies
Argjentinies
dhe pershendes Arvanitet e;
Bulgaries
Greqies
Romanies
etj......
Respekt i madh.per arbereshet e italis bravo per emissioni kompliment. Zonja na bashkon gjaku dhe gjuha jon hynore bravo Martin ju duam jeni gjaku jon❤
Martin je I madh
Te lumte Urime
Respekte martin.ju jeni drita e kombit Shqiptar.🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Duhet te marrim shembull
Nga Arbereshet si nga traditat e bukura qe Kane miresjellja gjuha etj etj eshte mrekullia e shqiperise dhe mburrja jone jane Arbereshet
My family escaped Albania (from Leskovik and Gjirokaster) in 1949 and went to Ioanina, Northern Greece as refugees. They spoke Tosk. They made it to the US in 1961. My mother was 9 when they fled Albania. Because she was schooled in Greece, she only knew how to speak Albanian, not read or write it. My grandparents and other relatives never attended school, so they also could only speak it. My father was also schooled in Greece.
When my grandparents died, I rarely heard Albanian except for my fathers records and cassettes. But he died young and his records and cassettes were tossed.
My family learned English and either spoke that or Greek, since there were few Albanians around and many Greeks here in NYC. I think I met my first Albanian in my 20’s and I couldn’t understand him. Now I have many Albanians in my city and still can barely understand them 😔 But I understand about 75% of what you spoke! I cried a little. I can also understand a good amount of Arvanitika, but there are hardly any Arvanitika speakers around anymore. I don’t know what language I learned from my family - some form of Tosk, with Greek, and Arvanitika added, which reflected their journey in life. I wish I had others who could speak it and help me to learn it better. I have no children, so no one to pass it on to, but it was my first tongue that my mother and grandmother sang to me in. It was the language my father tucked me into bed with at night and told me silly stories and sang to me in. And it’s a language that stirs my heart and makes it beat with joy, aching sadness, and pride.
Arbereshet,nderi dhe lavdia e Popullit tone ❤🙏🇦🇱
Rrnofsh e kjofsh sa malet o Martin djali!❤️❤️❤️
Turp per ne 850 klikime per ni Video tate!
Ti meriton miliona klikime
Faleminderit shumë për këtë punë z. Martin❤
Përshëndetje Martin! Do ishte mirë që edhe Greqia të njohë gjuhën arbëreshe, sot arvanite, se vërtet gjuha arbëreshe/arvanite po shkon drejt zhdukjes.
Kalofshi mirë!
He is speaking Albanian like an Italian does I have relatives that are born and raised in Italy that speak like him. Old arbëresh after Ottoman invasion must’ve sounded different but it’s just amazing they kept their language after nearly 600 years we truly are very tough people.
Just like everybody in the world sounded different 600 years ago
@ yeah true but if you speak one language only and you live in one country there isn’t that much difference but you try to speak a language that is totally foreign to the one your living there is a big difference
He just adds the italian rhythm in his speech...
SUKSESE MARTIN @VELLAI JONE ME I MIRE E PATRIOTE I VENDIT TE TE PAREVE TE TU @MOS U LODHE TE PROMOVOSH VLERAT E ORIGINES TONE TENDE @JU JEMI MIRENJOHES PER CDO GJE O VELLAJ VELLEZERIT TANE NE ARBERI @JU DUAM SHUME @RESPEKT @!🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽💘👋👋👋
❤Respekte Martin Per Ruajtjen te Vertetes ZOTIT GJUHES SHQIPES te Dinjitetit Kulturen e te Pareve Tan ARBERISHT Vlerat Krenari Gjithmon 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
O man this is incredible. I wanna learn every word. Good job and god bless you 🐐
Sa bukur, urime per emisionin. Urime Martinit 👏👏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Your are an angel! You are maybe rescuing a whole culture and a whole language history. I hope you know you are BIG! It will may take a while but many many people will be thankful! ❤️🇮🇹🇦🇱❤️
Thank you so much
Të urojë suksese në jetë MARTIN
ZOTI TË BEKOFTË PËR KONTRIBUTIN QË PO JEP PËR
GJAKUN TONË ARBËRESHË
Bravo te qofte.
Bravo Martin!
Te lumte Martin ti je njeri dashur
Faleminderit ❤😊
Good job my cousin 🙏🏼
Të falemnderit Martin dhe komunitetit Arbëresh që na kujtuat neve shqiptarëve mos harrojmë kush jemi. Të përulem (falem) deri në tokë.
Respekt shume te perjetshem Eva familjarisht ❤😊
Great job Martin 😍😍
Thank you
Loved it! ❤️
glad to hear
Respekt pafund Martin♥️
Martin this is a very interesting and I am noticing, vast point of view shared between Arbereshe and Arvanites ‘speakers’. Although it is so interesting for me to notice that these dialects do have many ancient sounding words in comparison to the Albanian that I know. However, I would like to give you a perspective, an example starting with myself and adding family members who have been born in the UK. I was born in Tirana to two Gheg speakers, I learned the written dialect: Letrare added with some Gheg from my family that speak 100% Gheg dialect. Everyone I meet in Albania and from Albania in other countries tell me that I speak very clear in a way seemingly understood by everyone(Tosk and Gheg), in south they mostly assume I am an Albanian from Kosove, mid and North they identify I am from out of Alb. It is apparent to me that even though I am extremely fluent, the fact that I have adapted a native english accent has made it extremely hard for me as an Albanian born person to not have a slight english accent when speaking Albanian whether I am speaking Letrare (from Tirana) or Gheg words/phrases. Again I notice those born here have slight english accents when speaking albanian no matter how fluent they are. So I would like to form some questions based on this logic.
1. Is it possible that within the generations, accents have been added to Arbereshe speakers as they became fluent in Italian in the same way happens to me and others in the UK? I assume if my descendants had no contact with Albania ‘the country’ apart from me and others who spoke like me in the UK, Albanian would sound further away from the Albanian I learned as a child, also due to my assimilation with gjuha letrare and my Gheg background. We have therefore already created a different dialect and added an english sort of accent to our Albanian. Thus, I propose this can explain some differences between Arbereshe and Arvanites to Albanian. Do you agree this may have happened generation after generation more and more?
2. Gheg and Tosk are very different in dialect, however, I think it is impossible to call them different languages, it is obvious they are from the same branch. However this otherness I am nuancing from Arbereshe and Arvanites is not new, this exists in Albania v Kosovo, Albania v Maqedons and Veri v Jug. Is it possible that this otherness in speech and ‘accent’ is something that is inherent in Albanians? There is also a lot of competition from city to city, town to town. Can this possibly be deduced as something that is a part of who we are, due to our Besa traditions of seeing people outside of our fis as potential competitors? I see people with Tosk accents judge Gheg accents (possibly due to the written language being tosk) and Gheg speakers assume their dialect is the ‘original’ Albanian because of Enver Hoxha’s attempt at minimising Gheg influence in society. Do you believe Arbereshe and Arvanites reluctance to identify as albanian speakers may also derive from some sort of socio-political disagreements? (Such as no ottoman influence on the language etc)
3. Luckily I grew up in the UK as my first experience as a foreigner or immigrant. I did not have any typical stereotypes attached to me growing up as my friends and their parents did not know much about Albanians. However, is it possible that this reluctancy to claim Albanian and Arbereshe as the same language of Tosk and Gheg, because of certain discriminations faced by our people in countries that knew of them and may have formed some stereotypes of them? Could this explain why early Albanian immigration may have led to communities assimilating as much as possible? It seems (from outside) as though the more they accepted their Italian/greek citizenship the more they lost their connection to their Albanian land. (This is not minimising how beautifully the heritage has been cherished however). And to me it seems as the only reluctance is to claim a citizenship outside of the place they currently live (as I do see how distinct the Arbereshe are from native Italians)
4. Finally, a final question, is it possible that the religious ties that Arbereshe have, have also influenced them somehow? A saying goes, an Albanian’s religion is Shqiptar. I would love to find out more about traditions that Arbereshe and Arvanites hold that are not in keeping with abrahamic faiths, and any overlap they may have with Albanian paganism that has managed to survive throughout all of the foreign invasions and religious influence. Such as the equinox and Gjama e burrave (funeral rituals) etc.
Finally, apologies if I am not 100% correctly informed, I only learned about the Arbereshe around 7 years ago and am yet to visit, but cannot wait! Therefore, I was wondering, if you know, have any DNA tests been recorded from all of these populations to record overlaps with Albanians?
Sorry for the long message, I am crazy for anything remotely Albanian as I am super interested in my roots and the history of my ancestors.
I'm from the UK too, but I came here aged 2. I've always been interested in Albanian history. I've travelled to Italy often and have family who have intermarried with Arbreshe.
Yes, it is possible that over generations, accents have been added to Arbereshe speakers as they became fluent in Italian, just as accents can change over time when a language is influenced by another English is an example of a language that changed over time due to influence from other languages. The Vikings brought Old Norse to England, which introduced new words and structures. The French language was also introduced during the Norman Conquest and had a significant impact on English vocabulary. More recently, English has been influenced by languages from around the world, resulting in new loanwords, idioms, and changes in grammar and pronunciation.. Thus, it is plausible that this may explain some differences between Arbereshe and Arvanites to Albanian. This has happened to Arvanites in Greece as unlike Italy, the Arvanites in Greece were discouraged from speaking Arvantika and forced to assimilate into a Greek identity. During the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in Greece, if you was a muslim Albanian you was referred to as a 'Turk', while an Albanian Christian as a 'Roman', this happens even today in Albania.
Gheg and Tosk are indeed from the same branch, and although they are different dialects, they are not considered different languages. The otherness in speech and 'accent' between Albanians may be inherent due to cultural and socio-political factors such as competition from city to city and town to town. It is possible that Arbereshe and Arvanites reluctance to identify as Albanian speakers may derive from socio-political disagreements such as no Ottoman influence on the language and the fact that the Arbreshe belong to the Byzantine Rite of Eastern Catholic Church, which is rare in itself even in the Catholic Church.
Discrimination faced by Albanians in different countries may have formed some unfavourable stereotypes of Albanians that could contribute to a reluctance to claim Arbereshe as the same language as Tosk and Gheg. Early Albanian immigration may have led to communities assimilating as much as possible, and the more they accepted their Italian citizenship, the more they may have lost their connection to their Albanian land. This has happened even as recently as the 90s, for example many children of Albanian immigrants to Greece claim they are Greek and at times hide their Albanian heritage. While for example in Switzerland, Albanians are more proud in claiming their heritage due to Switzerland not having negative stereotypes about them in the press.
There may be traditions that Arbereshe and Arvanites hold that are not in keeping with Abrahamic faiths, but this is very rare and from personal experience i have seen that they are generally very strict with keeping to the teachings of the Catholic Church. This is something that was lost in Albania due to Ottoman influence and then later to the Hoxha regime. Many converted to Islam during the Ottoman Empire for an easier life as you would get taxed more heavily and treated as a secondary citizen if you claimed to be a Christian. So, even in Albanian itself over the generations many folk beleif's were lost.
Lastly, I have always been interested in genetics and mostly have focused on the different fiset of Albania. I remember that the Arbreshe in Sicily from Piagna degli Albanesi are more closely related to modern Albanians genetically through DNA. While the Arbreshe from Calabria are usually closer to Southern Italians. The Y-dna of certain Arbreshe villages matches more closely to neighbouring Italian villages than Modern Albanians, showing that a part of the local Italian population were assimilated into the Arbreshe.
Zonja Shamku qenka nje thesar për ne👏
Por ajo flet me shume turqizma..... zor, kollaj, qar, xhanem (canim),...
@@HK-pp9ig çdo version i shqipes ka huazimet e saj. Ashtu si shqipja arbëreshe ka nga litishtja është normale qe edhe shqipja e shqiperise te këtë turqizmat pas 500 vitësh pushtim. Kjo s'do te thotë që njera influencë është me e mire se tjetra, thjeshtë janë. Por, jam i idesë që huazimet duhen eliminuar dhe versionet e shqipeve të pasurojnë njera tjetrën.
Psh, ne vënd që te themi halla, daja apo xhaxhai te përdorim versionet e bukura te arbëreshites, motërbabe, vllanana e vllababa.
@@bushiS E kuptoj, por kjo eshte profesoreshe dhe duhet te jete me e kujdesshme kur flet - ne vend te "zor" mund te thote "i/e veshtire", "kollaj=lehte", "qar= fitim"... e keshtu me radhe. Une vete perpiqem te flas shqip edhe kur shumica e shqiptareve perdorin fjale te "medha" te huajtura nga Italishtja, Greqishtja, apo Anglishtja. Ne lajme nje dite, gazetarja shqiptare tha "kongresmenja"... ne te vertete duhet ta perkthente "anetarja e Kongresit" ndoshta edhe "kongresistja" ... por ne po i marrim fjalete e huaja sic jane kongresmen/kongresmene! eshte "congresswoman" ne origjinal. Shume gazetare neper televizione perdorin flaje te huaja pa kuptim per te treguar qe dine shume(!). Nuk jam i sigurt nese ishte Shirak, por e di qe nje president francez nxori ligj per mediat te paguajne denim per fjalet e thena ne Anglisht kur e njejta fjale gjendet edhe ne Frengjisht. Ndoshta Shqiperia do te perfitonte nga nje ligj i tille.
Respekt
Arberesh is extremely similar to arvanit dialect in greece which is unfortunately falling into oblivion
Arbresh e un linguaggio davvero interessante
Did you speak purely arberesh during this interview? Or did you try to adapt just to make it easier for them?
i adapted some parts of course, that's why I was speaking more slowly
Respekt per z.Shamku ka shume te drejte
Lum ne qe te kemi moj gjuhetarja jone
Unë mendoj që më së miri është që literatura të jetë në shqip dhe arbërisht
shpjego?
@ tonight is bit late I will write tomorrow. I have written poetry on Albanian and English language so similarly we can can have the books
URIME programi, Me FAT.
Duhet te formohet nje Fjalor Arberisht ngaqe shume fjale origjinale me siguri jane ruajtur dhe ne duhet ti mesojme
i kemi
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🎉😢🎉😂🎉❤🎉😂🎉😢🎉 Mirmengjes Yje Shqipe Love 🥳🥰🎉🥰🤡🍷🥰🤡🥰🍷🥰🎉🥰🥳Nga Italia🎉😂❤😂🎉 Ciao ciao
Respect
Xhan shume Eva familjarisht ❤😊
For my ear there is a slight Dutch sound in the Albanian spoken by tne panel. Did not expect that.
Çfarë janë këta gazetarë kështu? Ë ë ë ë. Flisni mirë se latë nam. Si gjysmakë. Gjithsesi rrespekte për Martinin.
Martin je tu bo ni pun te mrekulushme
❤️🇦🇱🥇🇽🇰❤️
e vetmja mundesi eshte tju bejme Abetaren atyre sipas shqipes se tyre
Aq drejt e shqip që foli zonja,por ramo këto njerz nuk i don por atij duhen lëpirsa që i cojn vota
Te ruajn gjuhen e tyre te vjeter eshte pasuri nuk ka nevoj te mesojn gjuhen standarte do ishte gabim i madh
Nuk pajtohem me Martinin kur thote se eshte kunder prurjeve te shqipes. Per faktin se gjuha arbereshe nuk eshte e levruar mire si gjuhe, eshte teper e limituar dhe e thjeshtuar si ne komunikim e lexim. Huazimet ndihmojne ne plotesimin e saj, te zhvillimit dhe kuptueshemerise ndaj dialekteve tjera shqipe, e si rrjedhoje i jep me shume dobi, vlere e rezistence si gjuhe. Perndryshe gjuha arbereshe po vanitet, po largohet dita dites nga trungu dhe nga dialektet tjera neper Itali, derisa ne nje kohe jo fort te larget te behet e padobishme e te zhduket fare. Ky ritem i fundit per te huazuar nga shqipja mund te ndihmoje per te perafruar dialektet me njera-tjetren ne aspektin e perkohshem te pakten. Ne 600 vjet nuk ka patur asnje riformatim dhe per mendimin tim gjuha arbereshe ka pak nevoje te rinjohe rrenjet e saje. Keshtuqe nuk duhet pare ne aspektin negativ e te tharte ashu si shpeshhere Martini ben te kuptoje.
hahaha
@ Urdhero?
@@katerpesa nge jam dakordu me tihj, gluha arbreshe nge ka mosnje problem sa t'e ruaje.
@ Ne rregull eshte kjo, por une po them se kontakti i shqipes me arbereshet vetem sa i ndihmon keta te fundit per ta pasuruar gjuhen e tyre duke marre nga nje gjuhe simoter. Me lejoni t’ju rikujtoj se teza kryesore pse gjuha shqipe nuk eshte shuar eshte sepse pergjate kohes dialektet malesore, te cilat kane qene me rezistuese kundrejt asimilimit roman, i kane dhene dialekteve tjera simotra te shqipes te cilat mund te ishin pothuajse romanizuar pergjate perandorise romake. Kete rol mund ta luaje gjuha standarte sot me arbereshet. Nuk dua te keshilloj si te ruani kulturen tuaj, mirepo ky eshte mendimi im.
Pse duhet Arbërishtja të huazoj fjalë nga gjuha Shqipe, ti sugjeron te bëhet e padrejta e gjuhês Arberishte siç ju bë dialektit Geg ne Kongresin e Manastirit ?
yucharistis (ευχαριστις) comes from the greek word eucharisto, which means thank you!!
Një arbëresh(shqiptar) dhe një shqiptare(arbëre) që i do shumë arbëreshët(shqiptarët)!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nani perdoret akoma ne jug 😀
Po,pse ju gazetare e perdorni fjalen angleze suport,kur shqip eshte perkrahje ,shume irrituese nga ana juaje ju gazetare,...?!
Arbereshet duhet te mesojne shqip standart sic mesohet kudo ne Shqipëri.....as ne Shqipëri nuk mësohet dialekti ne shkolla
per?
Sic mesohet kudo ne shqiperi…. A esht Siceli ne shqiperi dhe nuk e dijme??? 😂
''Hora'' eshte fjale greke qe do te thote vend. ''Hora e Arberesheve'' , dmth ''Vendi i Arberesheve''.
nje pjese e mire e Arbersheve emigruan ne jugun e Italise nga Greqia sot (se aso kohe nuk kishte Greqi) , kryesisht nga Peloponezi qe aso kohe quhej More (prandaj dhe kenga e tyre , ''Moj e bukura More.. etj etj) dhe ne te folmen e tyre Arberishte, kishte edhe fjale greke..sic psh kjo Hora / qe dmth vend, apo ''Haristis'' qe tha Martini ne fund, qe dmth ju ''falenderoj'''.
Hora dmth Qyeteti arberisht
@ Ok
@ dakord, e kuptova.
por une thashe se cfare dmth ''Hora'' ne greqisht, pasi eshte fjale greke.
prandaj edhe shqipen e sotme te Shqiperise e me gjere, kjo fjale nuk njihet, nuk ekziston.
@@Edu11 nuk e dime me saktesi nese hora eshte greqisht edhe pse mund ta perdorin dhe greket . Une di qe edhe sot ne laberi te vjetrit e perdorin fjalen hore
@ hora (χόρα) që vjen nga horos (χορος) që do të thotë hapësirë, është një fjalë e lashtë greke që do të thotë rajon ose vend ose fshat!!
Nje emision shume i bukur, urime gjuhetares dhe Martiniy oer kontributin. Mos u merrni me shtetin se eshte i paafte por si popull i nje gjaku te mbajme gjalle biseden ne shqip cfaredo lloj ngjyre dialektore.
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Nëse flitet në shpi kurr nuk humbet
Sigurisht shkolla është një shtyll
If you want the real Arberesh. People you need to go to northern Calabria. There are lots of nice Arberesh villages where the language is spoken daily
I am real arberesh
we speak arberesh all the time in my family, as does my whole village