@@lelouchvibritannia7809 aside from that, I've watched Lore Reloaded's take on that, which I've just learned a few weeks ago. Go check him up, I dunno if he's wrong, it's about the lore of the units and I think I remembered about then having similar Battlecruisers but I could be wrong
It is ironic that lore wise, the Viking replaced Wraiths, Valkyries, and Goliaths due to limited mobility in Goliaths and Wraiths/Valkyries were “too unwieldy against the Zerg”, despite the fact that Valkyries could tear through basically any Zerg flying unit group. The anti-air capabilities for the Terran definitely was reduced by quite a bit in Starcraft 2 if you ask me
Valks should work just fine in Starcraft Remastered with the increased sprite limit. The another patch to the rockets was added after blizzard realized the first patch to valkyries had issues.
@@phaenon4217 So do they still have problems with missiles not firing or did they fixed it ? In you video you have like 27 valks attacking at the same time, but i cant really see if some of them are not firing due to sprite limit. I remember blizzard fixing valks in the pre-release of SC:R, making them fire even if you had like 8 groups of them, but in the official release of patch 1.18. they reverted that change because of some backlash from the community that this will break the game or something. Ill appreciate some info on the matter.
@@stambe8605 They removed the first patch because it didn't actually work, it had nothing to do with backlash. That's why they made another patch for Halo rockets and viola, people now use large groups of valks in 4v4 Fastest maps in which stacked minerals used to be a problem.
1problem with this test is that its kinda made in single player where carriers are very split.Which normally they are stacked as they abuse their air stacked micro.And of course valk would do more damage with splash on stack units instead of split like that.
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Great video but you have to remember to set the attack point on the ground past the units you attacking. This way the units attack everything in their path vs all attacking a single unit and then moving on to the rest of the targets. Also, in a joust scenario the attack might have yielded different results. Still great video.
I have tried this already, the valks gets mauled badly since the interceptors recharge HP when returning to the carrier. They also fly in a random pattern that is not favorable for splash damage. The only time it's worth shooting interceptors is when you use golaiths to force the carriers away, the valks rocket will follow the interceptors to the carriers at any range and do damage to them.
I think they're unjustifiably terrible. About the same price of Valkyries and have a stronger AA attack than wraiths, but they haven't been needed in the meta for ages. Scouts used to have some strength on island maps in OG starcraft, but in BW Corsairs just do better for the most part.
And maybe better that way. I used to think that maybe Blizzard should buff Scouts with the speed without research and lowering their cost to be just a bit more expensive that Corsairs but then I realized that an Speed upgraded Scout would be imba in PvZ. If we don't consider cost, Scout is the best antiair in the game. Zergs will see Overlords dying twice as fast in the early midgame and force even more Scourges bc 2 Scouts one shot Scourges.
Currently, main anti-air seems to be marines, as Terran mech is currently looking a lot weaker than bio, and marines can kill most stuff that flies. (Or walks for that matter)
Always combine the carriers with scouts. Carriers are far stronger against ground to air units and scouts do a lot of damage against air units, a deadly combo.
That's an ideal composition, though it's probably more expensive and will never be seen because Terrans will only make Tank/Goliath. If Wraiths, maybe corsairs do a lot better at supporting carriers.
The UED not only brough the valkiry they also brough new tech like the blue rockets from goliaths that blue misiles looks like a tech exclusive from them ,Dominion and Jim's raider use old rustic weapons with ww2 bullets
Great video. I've been playing the game on and off for 20 plus years and even I didn't realize how effective valks were against protoss air. Thanks! Just goes to show there's always more to discover
Valkyrie, Devourer and Corsair, THE VALKYRIE IS THE BEST ANTI-AIR AIRCRAFT! Amass a lot of these to take down Carriers and Battle Cruisers these two big air crafts will go down! It is a shame it is expensive and only is an anti-air. I just hope in Starcraft 3 if these will make a come back it can attack the ground soldiers!
I am starting to see why, granted every unit is supposed to be better in large groups but, it’s just absurd how much better they do in groups, also they only slightly worse against capital ships
@@meowistforlife I disagree a bit about the capital ships. Devourers and BC's can pick off Valkyrie groups easy; it's mostly an issue when it comes to Carriers since Protoss shields don't start with armor and each interceptor does only two third of its damage (Valkyries start with 2 armor). Spell casters like Arbiters and Defilers also a hard-counter groups of any flying unit anyway, including Valks; this is why this unit is paradoxically underwhelming despite it's obvious edge in massed battles.
@@phaenon4217 “overwhelming advantage in massed battles” you are not kidding, dear sweet goodness! this video alone makes that obvious! That being said I don’t count devourers as capital ships, nor spell casters, just BC’s and Carriers
@@meowistforlife Devourers and Arbiters represent the capstone of Zergs and Protoss air arm respectively, so it's relevant before we look at valkyries vs air in isolation and say they're OP. If Terran is for some reason flying around with 12+ Valks in the late game, there should be Arbiters and Devourers coming. It's not common do see this in replays of Fastest maps and other money maps where Protoss/Zerg players both have a brain and the resources needed.
@@Someguy1133 Same reason why stasis is so good agaisnt siege tanks; if half your army can't even fight you should lose, easy. Air units tend to stack BW so it's easier to shut twelve or more with just one spell.
@@Someguy1133 And have you seen Valkyries with acid spores on them? They become as squishy as wraiths, and fire so slowly they hardly do any DPS. Devourers also have 3 starting armor which is a lot for a unit that costs only 2 supply.
Guilty as charged. I wanted a battle where the Valks could beat the carriers, even when the supply ratio was skewed. Perhaps it's not pointless though, sometimes simply having more numbers than the enemy is the best bet.
24 Valks lose to 12 carriers but you should test other tactics. 1. Just attack-move to kill all interceptors and damage carriers anyway then kill rest. I guess 18 is enough to win. 2. Attack-move at first to kill many interceptors, destroy carriers shield then aim carriers. 3. Fly close to carriers and then try above tactics. Maybe it cause better splash damage effect. 4. Hit and run most forward carriers. If rest chase you - attack stacked carriers.
1. Valkyries aren't good at killing interceptors at all. Interceptors don't take area damage. 2. Refer to 1. 3. I've tried this, but the pathing of the interceptors often takes the missles away from the carriers anyway and you still lose. I did record some of this in my new upload: ruclips.net/video/k3NSk7sLpcs/видео.html
@@phaenon4217 1. Valkyries apperently are not good vs interceptors but I don't agree that interceptors not taking area damage at all. Test corsairs vs interceptors. Especially with dragons, cannons, devourers. 100 of interceptors disappears in moment. I do it when enemy try attack me. He have to break through my cannons defensive lines. I set my corsairs in hold position out of interceptors attack range but if they attack cannons, they constantly take corsair's bleep bleep shots. I think 24 or 36 easily defeat 12 carriers by eliminating all interceptors. Just proper tactic. Maybe a few - attack move and rest attack carriers whose have interceptors.
he micro them to get maximum value, I seen that he was cheking hp of units and skip the heavy wounded to let them die from splash and focus fire on the more healthu units, lol that unfair bullshit. Anyways evey one should know that valkyrie same as corsair and like liberator in sc2 can beat everything what is stacked. Anyways if you micro your valkyries and other one micro scouts that scouts would beat them just split is required. Corsairs have too low damage to fight valkyrie who has 2 armor
Some points - I targeted carriers, but they don't normally split up this much, so actually Terran is at a disadvantage here. Target firing is needed or else the Valks just shoot interceptors like idiots and die. - You're not the only one one who as thought of splits, it just doesn't matter at larger scale since unarmored units die too fast. We did see 3 scouts beat 3 valks even without splits.
I don't get why so called tournament players don't use scouts more often. When paired with carriers they become indestructible. Looks like tournament players don't know everything
You are microing the valks against carriers but not the other way around, the carriers would absolutely destroy the valks if it were actual PvP as carriers can move while interceptors are target firing. Valkyries cannot move until theyve completed their entire volley of missiles, so the carrier just moves out of the way while still hammering the valks GG
Exactly the the Carriers still win even when not micro managed as seen in this video. LOL The hit and run of the carriers though actually is not that big a deal though. Interceptors will actually drag the rockets back to the carriers if your leash range is broken and becuase your running away it meaning your carriers are likely clumped together. Staying put and simply breaking up the carriers into at least 3 groups to minimize area damage actually would be a lot easier.
Valkyries might've won against the carriers if they had attacked the interceptors instead of the carriers; carriers come with 4 armor so the Valkyrie missiles do very little damage to them
old comment, but I tried that: ruclips.net/video/k3NSk7sLpcs/видео.htmlsi=5wGRt9GfGtmz1TtL Valkyries actually seem the slowest Terran units to kill interceptors
Actually this is pretty justified since the very late game Carrier/Arbiter combo is basically invincible. Zerg Devourer is a pretty good counter to Valks.
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A lot of people have asked for Valkyries shooting Interceptors to see if it's viable, so I made this:
ruclips.net/video/k3NSk7sLpcs/видео.html
The UED really was ahead of the game in terms of technology
And somehow the Sons of Korhals or Dominion got some identical tech from them even though the UED was cut off from them from earth
@@lausdeobm8720 They didn't. They didn't have Valkyries, Medics or Charon Booster Goliaths
@@lelouchvibritannia7809 aside from that, I've watched Lore Reloaded's take on that, which I've just learned a few weeks ago. Go check him up, I dunno if he's wrong, it's about the lore of the units and I think I remembered about then having similar Battlecruisers but I could be wrong
@@lausdeobm8720 Battlecruisers are not the same as Valkyries and other crap.
@@lelouchvibritannia7809 ight I'll just go rewatch what he said
It is ironic that lore wise, the Viking replaced Wraiths, Valkyries, and Goliaths due to limited mobility in Goliaths and Wraiths/Valkyries were “too unwieldy against the Zerg”, despite the fact that Valkyries could tear through basically any Zerg flying unit group.
The anti-air capabilities for the Terran definitely was reduced by quite a bit in Starcraft 2 if you ask me
And liberators?
@@clacktloc5816 Oh yah guess I haven’t given that unit much though since I mostly played in the days of WOL and a bit of HOTS.
Devourers say hello.
But Vikings were way cheaper than Valkyries to mass.
Thors basically counter everything tho. It's kinda ridiculous
I always knew that German Valkyrie girls are deliciously beautiful
Valkaries are very cool units. It’s a shame that the damn entity limit turns them into paperweights in large team games...
Shame that theyre not added in sc2
Valks should work just fine in Starcraft Remastered with the increased sprite limit. The another patch to the rockets was added after blizzard realized the first patch to valkyries had issues.
@@phaenon4217 oh neat!
@@phaenon4217 So do they still have problems with missiles not firing or did they fixed it ? In you video you have like 27 valks attacking at the same time, but i cant really see if some of them are not firing due to sprite limit. I remember blizzard fixing valks in the pre-release of SC:R, making them fire even if you had like 8 groups of them, but in the official release of patch 1.18. they reverted that change because of some backlash from the community that this will break the game or something. Ill appreciate some info on the matter.
@@stambe8605 They removed the first patch because it didn't actually work, it had nothing to do with backlash. That's why they made another patch for Halo rockets and viola, people now use large groups of valks in 4v4 Fastest maps in which stacked minerals used to be a problem.
Valkyrie missile frigate?
Nay, Valkyrie Arsenal Ship
1problem with this test is that its kinda made in single player where carriers are very split.Which normally they are stacked as they abuse their air stacked micro.And of course valk would do more damage with splash on stack units instead of split like that.
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My favourite ❤
The buffed Halo Rocket damage from 5 to 6 and the increased sprite limit really made a difference :)
it was always 6?
liquipedia.net/starcraft/Valkyrie
@@phaenon4217 It was only 5 when Brood War first came out :)
@@kadabarVIM I wasn't there for that. I'm sure it was 6 though even before remastered launched, though.
@@phaenon4217 I wasn't sure when the buffs were implemented, but we can be sure it's many years after the Brood War launch in 1998 xD
emm what if UED make a come back with valkyries and GUNDAM?
I believe the UED could make a great opponent in an eventual sc3 game. One can only dream
@@ColonelRosa Really hope SC3 will happen with UED.
Thanks for posting this, I didn't know the pale blue/white flame areas they emitted did damage.
Great video but you have to remember to set the attack point on the ground past the units you attacking. This way the units attack everything in their path vs all attacking a single unit and then moving on to the rest of the targets. Also, in a joust scenario the attack might have yielded different results.
Still great video.
Hm can you do vs interceptors? It'd be interesting to see if the valks attacks can land on the interceptors and wipe em out lol
I have tried this already, the valks gets mauled badly since the interceptors recharge HP when returning to the carrier. They also fly in a random pattern that is not favorable for splash damage.
The only time it's worth shooting interceptors is when you use golaiths to force the carriers away, the valks rocket will follow the interceptors to the carriers at any range and do damage to them.
@@phaenon4217 word
interceptors dont take ATA splash damage.
@@졸지마 probably storm
@@blodmourne I finally remembered what it was. thx for reminding me.
Still find it kinda silly how ridiculously over priced scouts are.
I think they're unjustifiably terrible. About the same price of Valkyries and have a stronger AA attack than wraiths, but they haven't been needed in the meta for ages.
Scouts used to have some strength on island maps in OG starcraft, but in BW Corsairs just do better for the most part.
And maybe better that way. I used to think that maybe Blizzard should buff Scouts with the speed without research and lowering their cost to be just a bit more expensive that Corsairs but then I realized that an Speed upgraded Scout would be imba in PvZ.
If we don't consider cost, Scout is the best antiair in the game. Zergs will see Overlords dying twice as fast in the early midgame and force even more Scourges bc 2 Scouts one shot Scourges.
Scouts will be better if they have better range on land units. That enough for make them to use more. Their range on land units is ridiculous.
@@petervlcko4858 their range vs air units is poor too. You can't kite mutas with scouts like you can with wraiths.
@@phaenon4217 yeah scouts are just overpriced and in many cases useless. f game
Valerie best unit 10/10.
It is the best unit in the field of anti-air. I think
Why didn’t Valkyrie make it into SC2? We’re they simply replaced by Vikings as the main Terran anti air?
Currently, main anti-air seems to be marines, as Terran mech is currently looking a lot weaker than bio, and marines can kill most stuff that flies. (Or walks for that matter)
Liberators are pretty similar in armament, but more flexible, lighter, and less sturdy.
you need 50:50 ratio valkyrie goliaths, valk attack/ hold pos / attack kill intercepors and goliaths snipe carriers
this is why I always go for DuGalle first in the final zerg mission because I'm very scared of Valkyries and they love humping my overlords
Always combine the carriers with scouts. Carriers are far stronger against ground to air units and scouts do a lot of damage against air units, a deadly combo.
That's an ideal composition, though it's probably more expensive and will never be seen because Terrans will only make Tank/Goliath. If Wraiths, maybe corsairs do a lot better at supporting carriers.
The UED not only brough the valkiry they also brough new tech like the blue rockets from goliaths that blue misiles looks like a tech exclusive from them ,Dominion and Jim's raider use old rustic weapons with ww2 bullets
So valkyries are mutalisc..but better
Great video. I've been playing the game on and off for 20 plus years and even I didn't realize how effective valks were against protoss air. Thanks! Just goes to show there's always more to discover
These are SC2 liberators
@@guardianvalor962 i mean the ship design
Valkyries vs sky-anything = Valkyries win
Nope.
if you sit the valkyries right on top of carriers and attack, it's not even close because the splash hits carriers and interceptors.
interceptors don't take splash damage.
GREAT IDEA. FULL ARMOR ULTRA SURROUNDED BY ALLIED MEDICS VS NO UPGRADE CARRIER!!!!!!
The best way for Valkyris to fight carriers are placing next to them then fight.
Quite a step down to the Viking. Liberators are pretty cool though.
Viking is decent. Valks in sc1 actually suck by themselves in small numbers but scale really well in large groups.
Valkyrie, Devourer and Corsair, THE VALKYRIE IS THE BEST ANTI-AIR AIRCRAFT! Amass a lot of these to take down Carriers and Battle Cruisers these two big air crafts will go down! It is a shame it is expensive and only is an anti-air. I just hope in Starcraft 3 if these will make a come back it can attack the ground soldiers!
Wanna see what will be happened if they attack interceptors.
coming soon. :-)
@@phaenon4217 Yay!
@@pyeondoche Kind of forgot about this but part 2 uploaded on my channel now, lol
wasn't valkyries bugged or something?
like they will not fire once there are too many units on the screen
That's water under the bridge. The sprite count is way higher these days to make halo rockets more friendly.
1 dragoon says “hello!”
Exactly. Likewise the Goliath.
read the video description
Valkyries are insane
thanks god they cut them from sc2
I am starting to see why, granted every unit is supposed to be better in large groups but, it’s just absurd how much better they do in groups, also they only slightly worse against capital ships
@@meowistforlife I disagree a bit about the capital ships. Devourers and BC's can pick off Valkyrie groups easy; it's mostly an issue when it comes to Carriers since Protoss shields don't start with armor and each interceptor does only two third of its damage (Valkyries start with 2 armor).
Spell casters like Arbiters and Defilers also a hard-counter groups of any flying unit anyway, including Valks; this is why this unit is paradoxically underwhelming despite it's obvious edge in massed battles.
@@phaenon4217 “overwhelming advantage in massed battles” you are not kidding, dear sweet goodness! this video alone makes that obvious! That being said I don’t count devourers as capital ships, nor spell casters, just BC’s and Carriers
@@meowistforlife Devourers and Arbiters represent the capstone of Zergs and Protoss air arm respectively, so it's relevant before we look at valkyries vs air in isolation and say they're OP. If Terran is for some reason flying around with 12+ Valks in the late game, there should be Arbiters and Devourers coming. It's not common do see this in replays of Fastest maps and other money maps where Protoss/Zerg players both have a brain and the resources needed.
Try focusing Carriers instead of shooting interceptors
Group valks beats any air?
Not Arbiters, Devourers or Battlecruisers. Carriers and Scourge are also tough to deal with.
@@phaenon4217 they lose to arbitors and devorers? How
@@Someguy1133 maybe he was thinking of stasis and run
@@Someguy1133 Same reason why stasis is so good agaisnt siege tanks; if half your army can't even fight you should lose, easy. Air units tend to stack BW so it's easier to shut twelve or more with just one spell.
@@Someguy1133 And have you seen Valkyries with acid spores on them? They become as squishy as wraiths, and fire so slowly they hardly do any DPS. Devourers also have 3 starting armor which is a lot for a unit that costs only 2 supply.
24 валькирии выиграли бы этих авианосцев, если бы авианосцы кучно стояли
Probably. Protoss should spread them out to avoid as much damage as possible.
@@phaenon4217 Ну понятно)
there is a missing element in the supply + resources = stats... TIME
All I remember is Valks and Corsairs build faster than wraiths or scouts. Pretty sure anyone could look it up on liquipedia if wanted to, though.
for the sake of fun (terran bias)
Guilty as charged. I wanted a battle where the Valks could beat the carriers, even when the supply ratio was skewed.
Perhaps it's not pointless though, sometimes simply having more numbers than the enemy is the best bet.
"Pearfehct!"
Now do it again in a high unit count game, where the valkyries stop firing.
The sprite count has been increased years ago in SC:Remastered for the Valkyrie Halo rockets. This does not matter anymore.
24 Valks lose to 12 carriers but you should test other tactics.
1. Just attack-move to kill all interceptors and damage carriers anyway then kill rest. I guess 18 is enough to win.
2. Attack-move at first to kill many interceptors, destroy carriers shield then aim carriers.
3. Fly close to carriers and then try above tactics. Maybe it cause better splash damage effect.
4. Hit and run most forward carriers. If rest chase you - attack stacked carriers.
1. Valkyries aren't good at killing interceptors at all. Interceptors don't take area damage.
2. Refer to 1.
3. I've tried this, but the pathing of the interceptors often takes the missles away from the carriers anyway and you still lose.
I did record some of this in my new upload:
ruclips.net/video/k3NSk7sLpcs/видео.html
@@phaenon4217 1. Valkyries apperently are not good vs interceptors but I don't agree that interceptors not taking area damage at all.
Test corsairs vs interceptors. Especially with dragons, cannons, devourers. 100 of interceptors disappears in moment. I do it when enemy try attack me. He have to break through my cannons defensive lines. I set my corsairs in hold position out of interceptors attack range but if they attack cannons, they constantly take corsair's bleep bleep shots. I think 24 or 36 easily defeat 12 carriers by eliminating all interceptors. Just proper tactic. Maybe a few - attack move and rest attack carriers whose have interceptors.
Dont keep me veiting
Wow. Op
don't keep me waiting
I hated valkyries. They would never shoot when I used them on my old computer
Achtung!
he micro them to get maximum value, I seen that he was cheking hp of units and skip the heavy wounded to let them die from splash and focus fire on the more healthu units, lol that unfair bullshit. Anyways evey one should know that valkyrie same as corsair and like liberator in sc2 can beat everything what is stacked. Anyways if you micro your valkyries and other one micro scouts that scouts would beat them just split is required. Corsairs have too low damage to fight valkyrie who has 2 armor
Some points
- I targeted carriers, but they don't normally split up this much, so actually Terran is at a disadvantage here. Target firing is needed or else the Valks just shoot interceptors like idiots and die.
- You're not the only one one who as thought of splits, it just doesn't matter at larger scale since unarmored units die too fast. We did see 3 scouts beat 3 valks even without splits.
Meanwhile the Gundam Counterpart is trash af even tho it can attack land.
I don't get why so called tournament players don't use scouts more often. When paired with carriers they become indestructible. Looks like tournament players don't know everything
You are microing the valks against carriers but not the other way around, the carriers would absolutely destroy the valks if it were actual PvP as carriers can move while interceptors are target firing. Valkyries cannot move until theyve completed their entire volley of missiles, so the carrier just moves out of the way while still hammering the valks GG
Exactly the the Carriers still win even when not micro managed as seen in this video. LOL
The hit and run of the carriers though actually is not that big a deal though. Interceptors will actually drag the rockets back to the carriers if your leash range is broken and becuase your running away it meaning your carriers are likely clumped together. Staying put and simply breaking up the carriers into at least 3 groups to minimize area damage actually would be a lot easier.
@@phaenon4217 Never underestimate the starcraft YT commenters capacity to point out the obvious. These guys crack me up 🤣
Valkyries might've won against the carriers if they had attacked the interceptors instead of the carriers; carriers come with 4 armor so the Valkyrie missiles do very little damage to them
old comment, but I tried that: ruclips.net/video/k3NSk7sLpcs/видео.htmlsi=5wGRt9GfGtmz1TtL
Valkyries actually seem the slowest Terran units to kill interceptors
@ very interesting. Thanks for conducting the experiment and sharing!
@@phaenon4217 You're right. Thank you for sharing.
And they say protoss is op .... 😂
Actually this is pretty justified since the very late game Carrier/Arbiter combo is basically invincible. Zerg Devourer is a pretty good counter to Valks.
@@phaenon4217 everything in a video game has it's counter, only idiots thinks about "omg so oppppp invincible"
Invisibility means nothing. One or two shock and rest is just history.
@@petervlcko4858 Arbiters are the kiss of death. Lets see how confident terran is with valks when half their flock gets locked in stasis.
@@phaenon4217 locked in stasis? one emp and you can showel arbiters with stasis to ayur