Sam is right about who should be on the PL 115 panel. The PL should not be appointing the panel At CAS, in order to be entirely fair and to be seen to be fair, each side should choose panel members. There was and maybe is a suggestion that Maurice Rosen, he man in chrge of legal affairs for the PL and an Arsenal member, would himself chair the panel. That would be completely unfair and would be seen to be unfair. Sam is also right about time limits. No time limit at all is unfair. English law says that it is 6 years and the PL rules say that they are made subject to English law. Contradiction.
But it aint the law here. Documents from clients are kept for six yrs after a case. They were already found guilty by UEFA on the same/similar charges. 30 charges of which are failing to produce documents since 2007-08 onwards. Let them rot in complete relegation. Helleva culture !
@@sidavies6625 Where is "here"? the only UEFA charges upon which City were found guilty by CAS were for non cooperation. They will probably be found guilty of the same offence in the PL case. The result is a fine because it has no bearing on cooking the books.
Love Micky and Sam but how on earth do you know we are not going to get promoted? We’ve won 4 and lost 1 game and we have a proper manager in charge in Regis le Bris who is tactically good and demands much standards from the team.
Nobody from Sunderland has ever said don't fall in love with a player because they're going to leave. Stick to corresponding for the Manchester clubs Micky as you've spouted absolute shite there marra
Am I the only person who doesn't care if City cheated or not? It's their money, they should be allowed to do whatever they like with it. Money doesn't guarantee success, look at Utd at the minute
Mickey Grey is talking nonsense about Sunderland. "Don't fall in love with the players as they wont be here that long" I'm sure he's made that up! Also Ross Stewart came from Ross county and not Ayr? His knowledge of football never mind his hometown club is terrible. Do your homework before commenting!
Majority of the sunderland squad are English or Irish with a few from France now. Ross Stewart went and has been injured and can’t stay fit. So his money was now a steal. Speakman and the model can have its flaws at times but so far since they come in it’s been a hell of a lot more positive.
Would love to see Alan Curbishley brought on the podcast! Lots of similarities with Sam - both brought small clubs up to the Prem, both interviewed for the England job, both managed West Ham... would be great to hear them have a chat about their time as managers
Fair comments from the gentlemen. Especially Sam’s comments (let independent people judge) on facts It’s a conflict of interest to allow people who have a dog in the fight. Make the decision. When their club stands to benefit from their decisions. Independent hearing will only determine guilt purely on the facts alone. Now influence from the cartel
What if lord Lucan didn't kill his children's nanny, or O.J.Simpson didn't kill his ex wife and Ron Goldman? I think everyone knows whether those twi individuals and Man City as a whole are/were guilty or not irrespective of what was or was not proved, or what might be proved or 'disproved'. Money talks. The Government has already admitted that they have talked to some of their UAE counterparts in regards to the charges and any possible punishment. They certainly don't want to upset a major trading partner and investor in the UK.
It is crazy how little Micky knows about Sunderland, considering he supports us. We sold Clarke and replaced him with Mundle, Mundle has a higher ceiling and strangely suits the way we play better. Lacking experiance, apparently. Did we not just sign Chris Mepham a player with championship and Prem experience? Simon Moore around the dressing room in his mid 30s?and Alan Browne who has 400 championship games under his belt? Do we not have Luke O'nien starting every week at 29 years old? Patrick Roberts 27? Are many of our young players not in their 3rd championship seasons here? Ballard his 4th? Talks waffle.
there is a difference between a case not being proven, and proven innocent. everyone and his mother knows city cheated systematically, the question is can the premier league prove what everyone already knows.
@peterferguson6285 Arsenal are the most despicable fans. Every year they've won the league a month earlier. It's September this year absolute mugs. A few are ok. But 95 percent are dreadful. The hypocrisy from Liverpool and utd fans is off the charts. Utd allowed 40 million covid losses,the rest 1 million. Everton points docked. Utd 300 k fine for more serious charges. Liverpool fans hurling cups the list is endless. The pressure is on Arsenal not us.
Manchester City must surely get a very heavy penalty for breaching the FFP rules by the dozens. Otherwise there is no justice and the Premier League will lose all of its credibility and respectability.
@@steve-en7bm Already been found guilty once but escaped punishment on a time-barred technicality. That's not whinging, it's just a factual statement supported by evidence.
Sam is right about who should be on the PL 115 panel. The PL should not be appointing the panel At CAS, in order to be entirely fair and to be seen to be fair, each side should choose panel members. There was and maybe is a suggestion that Maurice Rosen, he man in chrge of legal affairs for the PL and an Arsenal member, would himself chair the panel. That would be completely unfair and would be seen to be unfair. Sam is also right about time limits. No time limit at all is unfair. English law says that it is 6 years and the PL rules say that they are made subject to English law. Contradiction.
But it aint the law here. Documents from clients are kept for six yrs after a case. They were already found guilty by UEFA on the same/similar charges. 30 charges of which are failing to produce documents since 2007-08 onwards.
Let them rot in complete relegation. Helleva culture !
@@sidavies6625 Where is "here"? the only UEFA charges upon which City were found guilty by CAS were for non cooperation. They will probably be found guilty of the same offence in the PL case. The result is a fine because it has no bearing on cooking the books.
FairPlay to Micky, he spoke better on Utd than any other pundit I’ve seen or heard in the media 👍
Love Micky and Sam but how on earth do you know we are not going to get promoted? We’ve won 4 and lost 1 game and we have a proper manager in charge in Regis le Bris who is tactically good and demands much standards from the team.
Maja
Really hope you do
It’s an opinion it’s not fact. Stop trying to make more out of it than it is. Good luck with your promotion. I actually like Sunderland.
You always bottle it
The game is rigged😂
Mickley Gray obviously doesn't know anything about the charges
Nobody from Sunderland has ever said don't fall in love with a player because they're going to leave. Stick to corresponding for the Manchester clubs Micky as you've spouted absolute shite there marra
Am I the only person who doesn't care if City cheated or not? It's their money, they should be allowed to do whatever they like with it. Money doesn't guarantee success, look at Utd at the minute
Sounds like Jon Richardson if you don’t watch the video and listen to
Spot mate😂 speaks exactly the same
On Sunderland, I beg to differ!
You noticed?😳
This is a new Chanel? Fantastic
Mickey Grey is talking nonsense about Sunderland. "Don't fall in love with the players as they wont be here that long" I'm sure he's made that up! Also Ross Stewart came from Ross county and not Ayr? His knowledge of football never mind his hometown club is terrible. Do your homework before commenting!
He’s a clown who is only interested in himself
He did. He made it up. He could give two monkeys about us. Bighead lives in Manchester. Says it all. Nothing to do with us anymore.
I agree who would ever leave Sunderland.
Two man utd fans discussing city 😅😅😅
hard to do with city fans, since they dont exist.
They love city listen 😮
People don't like when others do well. True that!
Majority of the sunderland squad are English or Irish with a few from France now. Ross Stewart went and has been injured and can’t stay fit. So his money was now a steal. Speakman and the model can have its flaws at times but so far since they come in it’s been a hell of a lot more positive.
The only winners will be the solicotars as normal its all about the money
Would love to see Alan Curbishley brought on the podcast! Lots of similarities with Sam - both brought small clubs up to the Prem, both interviewed for the England job, both managed West Ham... would be great to hear them have a chat about their time as managers
Fair comments from the gentlemen. Especially Sam’s comments (let independent people judge) on facts It’s a conflict of interest to allow people who have a dog in the fight. Make the decision. When their club stands to benefit from their decisions. Independent hearing will only determine guilt purely on the facts alone. Now influence from the cartel
England must have been struggling for full backs if this ones got Caps ffs. How did that happen?
After this season, please come back to Bolton Big Sam.
No tippy tappy ice cream with Sam Allardyce
LENIN: "show me the man and i will show you his crime".
well done Sam,you must be the biggest Pratt in this Uk
So when Arsenal do it it’s spoiler tactics anybody else it’s a great defensive performance
@@chrismiller6317 other way round mate.
👑 Sunderland A.F.C. 👑
iT TAKE COMITMENT FROM PLAYERS AND MANAGER TO WIN 4 ON THE BOUNCE... NOT ALWAYS MONEY.
Sam's spot on
Is big Sam ok?
What if city are innocent 😂
What if lord Lucan didn't kill his children's nanny, or O.J.Simpson didn't kill his ex wife and Ron Goldman?
I think everyone knows whether those twi individuals and Man City as a whole are/were guilty or not irrespective of what was or was not proved, or what might be proved or 'disproved'.
Money talks. The Government has already admitted that they have talked to some of their UAE counterparts in regards to the charges and any possible punishment. They certainly don't want to upset a major trading partner and investor in the UK.
Wow. What is this a conference version of a podcast!
💙💙💙
Just heard MG version of the the charges. What is he on about. He knows absolutely nothing.
He is a bit lost but he has the right idea 115 charges that boil down to 3-5 counts, I don't think the prem have a clue what they looking for either😂
Natalie should carry this more composed approach to pre game broadcasts. Comes across to fan boy, but shows here she can be serious.
26 degrees in spain been nearly 30 in london get over it
Neither of them has the first clue about what charges have been bought against Citeh
Sam's got to learn to listen, we tune in to listen to what the guests point of view
LAWYERS ARE LOVING IT
Like you mean, like you mean, like you mean, like you mean
He's dyslexic... leave him alone!
City will never rid the cheater tag in football, no matter how many times they deny it and try keep it hush ..
Because they have enough money to buy innocence.
Why is Rice missing you’ve got that wrong
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It is crazy how little Micky knows about Sunderland, considering he supports us. We sold Clarke and replaced him with Mundle, Mundle has a higher ceiling and strangely suits the way we play better. Lacking experiance, apparently. Did we not just sign Chris Mepham a player with championship and Prem experience? Simon Moore around the dressing room in his mid 30s?and Alan Browne who has 400 championship games under his belt? Do we not have Luke O'nien starting every week at 29 years old? Patrick Roberts 27? Are many of our young players not in their 3rd championship seasons here? Ballard his 4th? Talks waffle.
Just found this channel - brilliant content
So how do you explain city’s revenue is high than real madrids!!
Why is Spurs revenue higher than Arsenal, Inter, Ac milan, Juventus, Dortmund? I need an answer quick
Mr bung thinks city will get away with it 😂
Debunk hum then. Or did you come here looking for what you wanted to hear?
Pathetic
City should be stripped of their medals and Natalie should be stripped of her clobber
Great podcast until you said' I'd love to see them in the Championship'. No you wouldn't! It's bloody miserable living in the shadow of United.
Who is micky gray, by the way?What about getting Jay-Jay on?😮
Borringgg - Ask if Sam could manage proper teams... imagine Figo, Zidane etc...
Man City innocent? Debatable..
Sam sounds drunk!
Guys theyr just opinions, theyv been wrong many times n right many times, theyr not physcics, they have no idea whats ahead 😂
why would you have Sam A on your programme when you know he's iliar @ cheat
Sam comments knowing very little. I believe City picked one of the panel members, the premier league another and one is somehow independent.
So he's exactly like everyone else who makes videos about City's charges then 😂
there is a difference between a case not being proven, and proven innocent. everyone and his mother knows city cheated systematically, the question is can the premier league prove what everyone already knows.
What everyone knows? Did u know PL was unlawful?
@@alokkatwal1862 it's 20 teams playing by a mutually agreed set of rules, that city think don't apply to them.
Man city is their a manc in that side ?
Try Pulling Up The Squad List Foden Lewis Riley Mccatee There Are More But I Can't Be Bothered
Six played last night including 16 year old Braithwaite. What a fool.
@@michellemaggs75 But They Really Are Not Obsessed With Us 🔵💙🤣
@peterferguson6285 Arsenal are the most despicable fans. Every year they've won the league a month earlier. It's September this year absolute mugs. A few are ok. But 95 percent are dreadful. The hypocrisy from Liverpool and utd fans is off the charts. Utd allowed 40 million covid losses,the rest 1 million. Everton points docked. Utd 300 k fine for more serious charges. Liverpool fans hurling cups the list is endless. The pressure is on Arsenal not us.
Manchester City must surely get a very heavy penalty for breaching the FFP rules by the dozens.
Otherwise there is no justice and the Premier League will lose all of its credibility and respectability.
The prem league has lost all credibility and damaged its own brand and flagship team in the process ...
Must surely nothing. The burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on the one who denies. Stop crying and wait for the verdict.
Have they been found guilty? When did this happen?????
If they have. Yet to be proven.
Another bloody know all Muppet
Man city are innocent , is this a comedy.. thanks for the laugh
Innocent until proven guilty so stop whinging.
@@steve-en7bm Already been found guilty once but escaped punishment on a time-barred technicality. That's not whinging, it's just a factual statement supported by evidence.
@jamesw3546 another youtube lawyer 😅😅
Man city fans won't be laughing soon they can all go back to supporting man u
@@Rts22375 Oh Dear! Are you always this stupid or do you take lessons? Cry me a river.
Anyone gives a crap what gray thinks should think again. He lives in Manchester. End of. His opinion is bollocks to me.
Well said by both of them. Non-bias objective chat and opinion by common sense football people. A real welcomed rarity nowadays 👍🏻⚽🩵