This works great. The only room for improvement I see for this kind of technology, is the need for easy access to cleaning the evaporator and condenser and the room below these two items.
Ive had success by using the timed dryer setting with nothing in the machine. I guess depends on which brand you have but I put it on for an hour 20 and it gets dry enough that if anything’s on the coils it ends up back in the drum and on the lint screen.
100% agree. I just spent e hours troubleshooting ours and finally ripped out the protection screen in front of the condensing coil to get access to clean off the coils. They were so covered by lint that there was almost no airflow which resulted in an angry wife who had to put loads in for 4-5 cycles to dry them. There is no reason to design a system that cannot be cleaned the way it needs to be cleaned after 2 years of use, without tearing the thing all the way apart or breaking it(like I did) to make the thing work correctly. They just depend on making disposable appliances I guess because how many people are going to do all of that to just clean a coil?
@@adventures_with_dave Whirlpool engineering on this is slack. The Bosch and Miele dryers let you pull the condenser coil out for cleaning in the sink under a running tap. I get the service tech to clean mine once a year. I've heard about tearing the screen out. That will allow you to clean the lint off the front of the condenser. How do you clean the internal fins?
@@StephenPate That's impossible. You cannot just remove coils from a closed loop system. I think you are mistaken with the condenser units (not heat pump) that have heat exchangers where condensations occurs.
Freon is a brand name for several different CFC based refrigerants, most of which have been banned for 20 years. I imagine that was Shankovich's point. They do make a legal R-410A called Freon 410A, but I don't think anyone calls it Freon. That usually means R-22.
@Lucas McCain Wow, this is really old. I'm not going to repeat my entire comment, but yes, Puron is another brand name of 410a. Freon, which is a competing brand, also makes 410a and as I said "I don't think anyone calls it Freon." You're basically saying "There's no such thing as 'Puffs,' they're called 'Kleenex.'
More akin to a big dehumidifier than an air conditioner. Both use the same refrigeration cycle but air conditioners take the heat out of an area and deposit it outside, also similar to a refrigerator. Dehumidifiers use the evaporators to condense airborne humidity and then blow the dehumidified air over the warm condenser. This dryer video describes the process out of order, but the same process happens.
What about a tutorial on how to actually start it?! I’m 95% sure the one in the apartment I just moved into is broken. I can’t get past the dang “option” section of the LED display which leads to the “start” button. The dryer is just beeping 3 times at me when I hit “start”. At least I still have my washer lol!
I still don't understand why mechanical timers were deemed too expensive when it's prohibitively expensive to replace the microcontroller board in most "premium" appliances.
We bought earlier (Candy heat pump A++)from Argos And we didn't have satisfy because for £379 not about the money we've tried maximum for 2 hours for 5 kilos. it was damn and a return to back and we bought sensor condenser tumble dryer for £249 this is much better now
Cloth is a mechanical creature... every time you flex and bend it, it wears out a little. Takes 1/2 The power but tumbles 4x longer. And everything wears out faster... evidenced by cloth becoming lint.....
A dehumidifier is a heat pump. All refrigerators and dehumidifiers are Carnot cycle heat pumps. The "consumer" couldn't handle a " refrigerator" in their furnace or their dryer, so the marketing department chose a different term.
The only way to "dry" the moisture of the air is using a heat pump. Therefore, a dehumidifier is a heat pump (the same as air conditioners and refrigerators).
@Johnny Ericsson A heat pump is a machine that transfer heat from one place to another. In this case, the drier generates and moves heat inside itself so im not sure it can be called a heat pump
@Johnny Ericsson They are different. A heat pump, like i said, moves heat from one place to another (a geothermal heat pump moves heat from inside the ground to inside the house, for example). This drier essentialy what it does is it moves the water molecules in the clothes to the condensed water compartment (or whatever its called). To achieve that, it heats up a working fluid etc etc, but that doesnt make it a heat pump...
@David K This is not a carnot cycle. Carnot cycle is only a theoretical machine with impossible steps like reversible adiabatic compression and expansion. This is just the vapour compression refrigeration cycle.
Everyone seem to be really disappointed with the heat pump technology in dryers. It seems as if dryer manufacturers install tiny compressors which can't handle the job, especially when owners place those dryers on cold garages and laundry rooms. they take hours to dry in the winter so most people are forced to use them overnight on the highest settings when temperatures are freezing which make the problem even worse, leaving damp surprises for the morning that usually stink (Wet clothes in enclosed spaces produce dangerous mold and fungal spores). To make things even worse, they are very prone to failures, have very expensive parts and require specialized technicians to fix, all of which can only be provided by the manufacturer, making it the only benefactor from this ordeal. Energy wise, they might save you a few bucks per month, theoretically, when using it in the ideal warm environment. The problem is that you can also hang those clothes to dry in this ideal warm environment, using zero electricity while protecting the fabric, making it pointless. I would only recommend those dryers for rich, single people that live in tiny apartments, for some reason, with warm but rainy weather all year long.
@@spyrule Really? That's your first assumption? If so then maybe you are very happy with your heat pump dryer. Can you give me its model number? I'm desperate to buy a good one
This heat pump dryer is NOT ready for prime time. It may use half the electricity but it takes four times as long. Sheets and blankets ball up. You have to stop and unball adding more time dry...expensive junk.
How often do you dry clothes on a deadline? If it's using half the energy, it's using half the energy. Granted, since most industries lie or misrepresent whatever they can to sell more stuff, it may not actually be doing what they claim. This is the problem with an economic system that favors the interests of investors over everyone else. I didn't see any claims to drying speed. If you're that short on time, you can use a jet engine and a vacuum pump and have your clothes dry in 2 minutes, but it will cost several million dollars to build and several thousand dollars per cycle to operate.
The point of a heat pump dryer is to consume far less electricity whilst still getting your washing dry, and it achieves this easily. Yes the drying process is longer but is that really such a major problem?. Did you know because it dries at a much lower temperature it's less damaging to your clothes. Tangling has nothing to do with the fact it's a heat pump dryer taking longer, it's more to do with the reverse drum action in the machine, how much you've crammed in and what.
Well for people with no vent it is really a good alternative at nothing. Second point it is an air air exchange system, so if your room is cold or if the condenseur us too fluffy it won't work at is best.
@@stefolino I have a vent but that is not how a heat pump works. It is an A/C working in reverse to remove moisture and using the byproduct, heat, to dry. I stand by state it is expensive junk that does not work.
This thing is a colossal pile of crap. And I am sure glad I am not a field technician anymore. I give this waste of time no more than 3 years before no one buys them.
@@spyrule Everyone seem to be really disappointed with the heat pump technology in dryers. It seems as if dryer manufacturers install tiny compressors which can't handle the job, especially when owners place those dryers on cold garages and laundry rooms. they take hours to dry in the winter so most people are forced to use them overnight on the highest settings when temperatures are freezing which make the problem even worse, leaving damp surprises for the morning that usually stink (Wet clothes in enclosed spaces produce dangerous mold and fungal spores). To make things even worse, they are very prone to failures, have very expensive parts and require specialized technicians to fix, all of which can only be provided by the manufacturer, making it the only benefactor from this ordeal. Energy wise, they might save you a few bucks per month, theoretically, when using it in the ideal warm environment. The problem is that you can also hang those clothes to dry in this ideal warm environment, using zero electricity while protecting the fabric, making it pointless. I would only recommend those dryers for rich, single people that live in tiny apartments, for some reason, with warm but rainy weather all year long.
@@MAXAREUOS Well I've had mine for nearly a year now, in my basement in an uninsulated concrete floor (In Canada), and I've had no issues whatsoever with mine. As long as you clean the filters, there is no problems. The LONGEST drying time I've had was 2.5hrs (thats with Queen sized bedding, on energy saver mode). I happen to have the ability to test my power consumption. My old dryer (Kenmore), was drying for ~2.5hrs (most heavy loads required 2 runs to dry) and consumed about 3KW of total power. This new dryer, consumes 400W across the same time period. If I bump it up to a "fast dry" (1hr 20min) it goes up to 700W. This is a HUGE savings over a yearly period. My dryer cost me $1400 CDN delivered to my house after tx. I'll amortize the savings in ~2.5 years (I have a toddler and we do laundry a lot). As for maintenance, I paid an extra $120 for 3 additional full warranty coverage on the device, that comes with 2 already. So even if a repair is required within its warranty period (5 years), I'm SAVING money for 2.5 years vs my old dryer (and in Canada, Hydro rates are only ever going up).
@@spyrule My whirlpool ventless dryer is more than 5 years old. Works great, saves energy and doesn’t take long to dry clothes. There’s a bunch of misinformation being peddled here.
Brilliant explanations
This works great. The only room for improvement I see for this kind of technology, is the need for easy access to cleaning the evaporator and condenser and the room below these two items.
Ive had success by using the timed dryer setting with nothing in the machine. I guess depends on which brand you have but I put it on for an hour 20 and it gets dry enough that if anything’s on the coils it ends up back in the drum and on the lint screen.
100% agree. I just spent e hours troubleshooting ours and finally ripped out the protection screen in front of the condensing coil to get access to clean off the coils. They were so covered by lint that there was almost no airflow which resulted in an angry wife who had to put loads in for 4-5 cycles to dry them. There is no reason to design a system that cannot be cleaned the way it needs to be cleaned after 2 years of use, without tearing the thing all the way apart or breaking it(like I did) to make the thing work correctly. They just depend on making disposable appliances I guess because how many people are going to do all of that to just clean a coil?
@@adventures_with_dave Whirlpool engineering on this is slack. The Bosch and Miele dryers let you pull the condenser coil out for cleaning in the sink under a running tap. I get the service tech to clean mine once a year. I've heard about tearing the screen out. That will allow you to clean the lint off the front of the condenser. How do you clean the internal fins?
@@StephenPate That's impossible. You cannot just remove coils from a closed loop system. I think you are mistaken with the condenser units (not heat pump) that have heat exchangers where condensations occurs.
@@daveg4963 Nope. With Bosch the impossible becomes commonplace. Check out their video at about 1:40 ruclips.net/video/Bi5P_CWi44A/видео.html
Amazing
Does a heat pump dryer completely dry the clothes after a cycle or is it better to have a hybrid dryer?
It does, but takes a long time
Wow!
They mixed up the air vented and the condenser dryers in the video. Whirlpool itself made this video. : )
Ant the "Vented" dryer iš abphoto of a washer
How can we can whirlpool Canada?
1:04 You better hope that's not freon in there lol
why? i don't see a problem with that.
yes it's Freon in that seal system
That's the same as dehumidifier or air conditioner, are you scared of them?
Freon is a brand name for several different CFC based refrigerants, most of which have been banned for 20 years. I imagine that was Shankovich's point. They do make a legal R-410A called Freon 410A, but I don't think anyone calls it Freon. That usually means R-22.
@Lucas McCain Wow, this is really old. I'm not going to repeat my entire comment, but yes, Puron is another brand name of 410a. Freon, which is a competing brand, also makes 410a and as I said "I don't think anyone calls it Freon." You're basically saying "There's no such thing as 'Puffs,' they're called 'Kleenex.'
So basically it’s a closed air conditioning system?
More akin to a big dehumidifier than an air conditioner. Both use the same refrigeration cycle but air conditioners take the heat out of an area and deposit it outside, also similar to a refrigerator. Dehumidifiers use the evaporators to condense airborne humidity and then blow the dehumidified air over the warm condenser. This dryer video describes the process out of order, but the same process happens.
What about a tutorial on how to actually start it?! I’m 95% sure the one in the apartment I just moved into is broken. I can’t get past the dang “option” section of the LED display which leads to the “start” button. The dryer is just beeping 3 times at me when I hit “start”. At least I still have my washer lol!
I still don't understand why mechanical timers were deemed too expensive when it's prohibitively expensive to replace the microcontroller board in most "premium" appliances.
We bought earlier (Candy heat pump A++)from Argos And we didn't have satisfy because for £379 not about the money we've tried maximum for 2 hours for 5 kilos. it was damn and a return to back and we bought sensor condenser tumble dryer for £249 this is much better now
Cloth is a mechanical creature... every time you flex and bend it, it wears out a little. Takes 1/2 The power but tumbles 4x longer. And everything wears out faster... evidenced by cloth becoming lint.....
When will air vent electric clothes dryers be banned.
Never
That refrigeration system inside the dryer isn’t a Heat Pump, the evaporator and condenser arrangement is that of a dehumidifier.
A dehumidifier is a heat pump. All refrigerators and dehumidifiers are Carnot cycle heat pumps. The "consumer" couldn't handle a " refrigerator" in their furnace or their dryer, so the marketing department chose a different term.
The only way to "dry" the moisture of the air is using a heat pump. Therefore, a dehumidifier is a heat pump (the same as air conditioners and refrigerators).
@Johnny Ericsson A heat pump is a machine that transfer heat from one place to another. In this case, the drier generates and moves heat inside itself so im not sure it can be called a heat pump
@Johnny Ericsson They are different. A heat pump, like i said, moves heat from one place to another (a geothermal heat pump moves heat from inside the ground to inside the house, for example).
This drier essentialy what it does is it moves the water molecules in the clothes to the condensed water compartment (or whatever its called). To achieve that, it heats up a working fluid etc etc, but that doesnt make it a heat pump...
@David K This is not a carnot cycle. Carnot cycle is only a theoretical machine with impossible steps like reversible adiabatic compression and expansion.
This is just the vapour compression refrigeration cycle.
This is basically explaining a 19th century invention…..
Everyone seem to be really disappointed with the heat pump technology in dryers. It seems as if dryer manufacturers install tiny compressors which can't handle the job, especially when owners place those dryers on cold garages and laundry rooms. they take hours to dry in the winter so most people are forced to use them overnight on the highest settings when temperatures are freezing which make the problem even worse, leaving damp surprises for the morning that usually stink (Wet clothes in enclosed spaces produce dangerous mold and fungal spores).
To make things even worse, they are very prone to failures, have very expensive parts and require specialized technicians to fix, all of which can only be provided by the manufacturer, making it the only benefactor from this ordeal.
Energy wise, they might save you a few bucks per month, theoretically, when using it in the ideal warm environment. The problem is that you can also hang those clothes to dry in this ideal warm environment, using zero electricity while protecting the fabric, making it pointless.
I would only recommend those dryers for rich, single people that live in tiny apartments, for some reason, with warm but rainy weather all year long.
You must be a repair person thats but hurt about not being called in for repair as often on these devices....
@@spyrule Nothing you said refutes OP's assertions, although they have been mitigated by other sources online.
True
@@BlackCrossCrusader Read some of my other replies in the comments. Its all refuted there. side note: I own one of these, and its been rock solid.
@@spyrule Really? That's your first assumption?
If so then maybe you are very happy with your heat pump dryer. Can you give me its model number? I'm desperate to buy a good one
Would have preferred watching this without that annoying background "music".
This heat pump dryer is NOT ready for prime time. It may use half the electricity but it takes four times as long. Sheets and blankets ball up. You have to stop and unball adding more time dry...expensive junk.
How often do you dry clothes on a deadline? If it's using half the energy, it's using half the energy. Granted, since most industries lie or misrepresent whatever they can to sell more stuff, it may not actually be doing what they claim. This is the problem with an economic system that favors the interests of investors over everyone else. I didn't see any claims to drying speed. If you're that short on time, you can use a jet engine and a vacuum pump and have your clothes dry in 2 minutes, but it will cost several million dollars to build and several thousand dollars per cycle to operate.
don't overload your machine and voila ^^
The point of a heat pump dryer is to consume far less electricity whilst still getting your washing dry, and it achieves this easily. Yes the drying process is longer but is that really such a major problem?. Did you know because it dries at a much lower temperature it's less damaging to your clothes. Tangling has nothing to do with the fact it's a heat pump dryer taking longer, it's more to do with the reverse drum action in the machine, how much you've crammed in and what.
Well for people with no vent it is really a good alternative at nothing. Second point it is an air air exchange system, so if your room is cold or if the condenseur us too fluffy it won't work at is best.
@@stefolino
I have a vent but that is not how a heat pump works. It is an A/C working in reverse to remove moisture and using the byproduct, heat, to dry. I stand by state it is expensive junk that does not work.
This thing is a colossal pile of crap. And I am sure glad I am not a field technician anymore. I give this waste of time no more than 3 years before no one buys them.
Except they have been the top selling type of dryer in europe for 10+ years....
@@spyrule Everyone seem to be really disappointed with the heat pump technology in dryers. It seems as if dryer manufacturers install tiny compressors which can't handle the job, especially when owners place those dryers on cold garages and laundry rooms. they take hours to dry in the winter so most people are forced to use them overnight on the highest settings when temperatures are freezing which make the problem even worse, leaving damp surprises for the morning that usually stink (Wet clothes in enclosed spaces produce dangerous mold and fungal spores).
To make things even worse, they are very prone to failures, have very expensive parts and require specialized technicians to fix, all of which can only be provided by the manufacturer, making it the only benefactor from this ordeal.
Energy wise, they might save you a few bucks per month, theoretically, when using it in the ideal warm environment. The problem is that you can also hang those clothes to dry in this ideal warm environment, using zero electricity while protecting the fabric, making it pointless.
I would only recommend those dryers for rich, single people that live in tiny apartments, for some reason, with warm but rainy weather all year long.
@@MAXAREUOS Well I've had mine for nearly a year now, in my basement in an uninsulated concrete floor (In Canada), and I've had no issues whatsoever with mine. As long as you clean the filters, there is no problems. The LONGEST drying time I've had was 2.5hrs (thats with Queen sized bedding, on energy saver mode). I happen to have the ability to test my power consumption. My old dryer (Kenmore), was drying for ~2.5hrs (most heavy loads required 2 runs to dry) and consumed about 3KW of total power. This new dryer, consumes 400W across the same time period. If I bump it up to a "fast dry" (1hr 20min) it goes up to 700W. This is a HUGE savings over a yearly period. My dryer cost me $1400 CDN delivered to my house after tx. I'll amortize the savings in ~2.5 years (I have a toddler and we do laundry a lot).
As for maintenance, I paid an extra $120 for 3 additional full warranty coverage on the device, that comes with 2 already. So even if a repair is required within its warranty period (5 years), I'm SAVING money for 2.5 years vs my old dryer (and in Canada, Hydro rates are only ever going up).
@@spyrule
My whirlpool ventless dryer is more than 5 years old. Works great, saves energy and doesn’t take long to dry clothes. There’s a bunch of misinformation being peddled here.