The fact the title says Elon said something was impossible, I knew this video was full of it. Elon is ALWAYS the one pushing boundaries and doing THAT THING that everyone else says is impossible.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face.". Right now they have an interesting idea. If it eventually flies smoothly and economically then they say they have a solution.
@@educatingfool216 of course he said you don't need wings, but that's not the same as saying a spaceplane is "impossible." I had two very technically talented friends who argued back and forth over whether or not horizontal takeoff or vertical takeoff launch vehicles would be better, and Musk proved that vertical takeoff and landing vehicles can work very well, but it doesn't mean well designed winged vehicles can't do as well. Nothing to do with cult, just sloppy journalism.
First - I worked on the Dream Chaser, and know it is a fine vehicle to do what it is designed to do. BUT, it will never be an inexpensive way to get to space. It is not a "Launch" vehicle. it is a 're-entry vehicle and is dependent on a large lift rocket to get to orbit. It will also cost, per launch, as much as Musk's target for starship launch, just for this re-entry vehicle. It should have a better deceleration profile (lower G forces) on reentry than the Dragon, and will land on a runway for quick payload recovery. How it compares to Starship is to be determined. BTW, this video mispronounced "Louisville". This is in Colorado, and is pronounced "Loo-is ville". The residents are very insistent on this! LoL
+For goodness sake, get your AI-replicated voice sorted out. If it doesn't know how to put sentences together with contextual notes, then don't use it. Use a HUMAN... They're usually perfect.
Lifting bodies are so cool! They have one of the X-38 test articles at the Strategic Air Command & Aerospace Museum in Ashland Nebraska just west of Omaha.
What’s upsetting me is that I’m a third of the way through the video and not yet have I heard you mention that it’s a variation of the NASA lifting body designs from the 60’s.
They mentioned the HL-20 in the 1980's. It, in fact, resembles the HL-10 from the late 1960's to early 1070's. The HL-10 was used in an episode of the Six Million Dollar Man, "Deadly Replay". The HL-10 was a development of the M1F2 that crashed during landing.
@ yeah, they mentioned the 1980’s, but didn’t mention the research that NASA did back in the late 50s/early 60’s that they are profiting from. That’s what I said. Yes, I’m well past old enough to vividly recall the opening sequence from the 6 million dollar man. Just like Spacex doesn’t mention all the research that NASA did over the past 65 years that they profit from. Like nozzle shapes and designs for example.
The major difference between Dream Chaser and Starship is Starship doesn't waste it's fuel tanks like other space launch systems. Imagine all of the materials that end up in the upper atmosphere from all of the thrown away space junk from every launch.
Not any further than it is now, both Starliner and DreamChaser are wildly over budget and, ultimately, Starliner ended up functioning and returning to earth safely and could have brought back the astronauts it went up with - they had software issues that caused problem, the hardware performance was nominal.
@stevengeorges9046 it still wouldn't matter. Sierra Space would have already had their spaceship in space if they contracted with SpaceX. Instead, they contracted with ULA and Blue Origin, neither of which have done any significant space flights in 10 years. Hell, BO hasn't even gone into actual space, while ULA has been constantly delayed by BO's inability to mass produce its rocket engines and technical failures
@@SmokeyMarkitZeroI'm sure that's a great comfort to the poor souls stuck in the ISS 😂 Just kidding, I hope they will soon be back here on Earth, but what a way to spend Christmas and New Year
@@neilgodwin6531 For them, they're in heaven, literally. I'm sure they were disappointed their ship broke, but they were both overjoyed that it meant they get to spend eight months in space.
@@thomaswakefield6889 What are you talking about? Blue Origin has nothing to do with it. Starliner is built and operated by Boeing, and it is Boeing, not NASA, who contracted with ULA for launch services. Naturally they did that because Boeing is half owner of ULA.
When I look at a STAR WARS TIE Fighter, I see a Parasite Fighter like the XF-58 Goblin; and, not a Full-Fledged Fighter that the TIE Fighter is depicted as being. Yea, Yea, Yea. !!! IT'S FICTION !!! But, for me, who is interested in Real Life Science & Technology, watching Science-Fiction Genre Storylines that don't actually represent Science is kind of a downer.
I like the concept of Dreamchaser. Itcan be launch atop a number of existing rockets and it can land at many airports around the world. It is smsll enogh to be land transported on a truck once it lands. It reminds me of the X37B that has been operationsl for over a decsde.
I’m just amazed how little this design has changed the first time I saw it in the New York world fair in 1974 remember hearing how this thing will soon revolutionize space travel by being a space taxi now I can compare it to SpaceX starship and I realize DOGE needs to start the house cleaning in NASA Human progress is being Stifled by greed
@ Wow 64 so when I saw it it was at least a decad old so NASA is saying that we know of and that is if you don’t include the lifting body experiments that go back further than that this 71 year old design is an innovation ?
TECH MAP, I finally figured out that the voice on this video is related to Data, in that the 'X' in describing dimensions read it as 'times', rather than the correct 'by'.
Good grief! I've been reading the comments and the amount of sheer ignorance being displayed about Dream Chaser, Starship, Sierra Nevada, SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, and Elon Musk is just mind boggling.
Still waiting for first launch ? You're sure tooting your horn awful loud for a company with no achievements. prove the concept by flying the craft, perform a mission, and successfully land the craft. Then, and only then, come back and tell us how great you are. So far this is just somebody's favorite wet dream. Show the world first. Then brag.
It would already be in use if NASA hadn't been adamant about giving one of the commercial crew contracts (and $4.2B in startup money) to Boeing. With the debacle that is Starliner, it goes to show that an "experienced" contractor isn't always the best. Boeing was pitching past accomplishments made by engineers who are now retired or dead.
The once great NASA has turned into a Bureaucratic Money Burning Nightmare. At this time its hard to make a case to keep NASA around. What have they done in the last 30 yrs, things that advance Humanity???
Looks good. I hope that it is successful. I also hope that Elon & Ramaswamy don't cut this from NASA's budget to save money (& protect SpaceX from competition)
That would be cool, but it's not clear to me how they are going to build it. That will be a multibillion dollar project, and they do not have a NASA contract to fund it. I know they are working on it, at some level, but they don't have anything like the necessary funds to bring it to fruition and I can't see where they are going to get them. I hope they manage it somehow though. Even though there simply isn't time to develop a manned version in time for it to service the ISS, we will still have need of manned spaceflight capabilities after it is retired, and I would like to see the United States have multiple manned spacecraft. If Boeing can ever fix the problems with Starliner, wouldn't it be terrific if, in a few years, we had Dream Chaser, Starliner, Crew Dragon, Starship, and Orion all performing various manned missions? Take that Russia and China.
I agree. Competition in this will lead us to colonizing the solar system much faster than if we just have one government agency doing it all. And no one person can come up with every answer. When I was a kid I was told that by the time I was my dad's age we would have people living on the moon. Well I am now WAY past what my dad was at that time and we haven't even been back. But I have hope that within the next 50 years there will be a permanent base on the moon. And maybe one on some other heavenly bodies as wall.
it is terrible to continually compare Dreamchaser with the Shuttle. Different birds, different missions. Dreamchaser is a SUV delivery groceries while the Shuttle was a Semi Truck delivering ISS modules and large LEO satellites. I welcome Dreamchaser to augment all the other good technology out there and its another step in re-usability and sustainability.
Tenacity is not a prototype. It is an operational spacecraft. The key word is yet. The fact that something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will never happen.
Tiles differentiate based on surface to mass. DC is 1/4th the size so making smaller tiles is a better perspective. It just needs to stop being being incapsulated, and put on the head of a FH (fully expendable). Its (for now), just a cargo SP. But in the future, will grow bigger in size. That's just theory's on my perspective. Thanks for the episode. Keep'em coming.
In my opinion, this doesn't look like it was based on the space shuttle design. To me, it looks more like it was modeled after NASAs X-24A Lifting Body. If you do a side by side comparison, the resemblance is really close.
What about the X37, the DoD robot spaceplane that has flown successfully for months at a time on several occasions? I suppose it does not make the headlines because it flies on secret military missions.
Your back information about the beginning of Dream Chaser is missing a lot of information. It was started as an idea back in the late 90s by a company known as Space Development Corp or commonly known as Space Dev in Poway, California with a guy named Frank Macklin and some of his engineers myself included. Actual hardware was made all of this shortly after we finished developing the hybrid rocket motor for Scaled Composites and their Spaceship One. It was sometime after I left that Sierra Nevada Corp bought Space Dev I forget exactly when but around 2005 maybe a little later.
One more thing about the beginnings of Dream Chaser, there was much concern over whether or not people could be launched on board since it would be enclosed in a fairing and have no launch abort system.
I have a question, when there is no oxygen out in space, how do you get the rocket to fire, I have seen that you use air to control it, but fire and oxygen are closely related ?
I've been following Sierra Space for awhile now. But I watched this whole video and I didn't hear what this plane solved that Elon Musk said was "impossible"? What time stamp is that on or is it just clickbait and not true at all?
I noticed we went from three stages to two to save cost but if a launcher becomes reusable third stage can be roughly 40% lighter for the same load.. I think a DreamChaser with two reigniting type orbital Merlin’s or equivalent and some two or four fighter type 3 D printed jettison fuel tanks abandoned just before orbital speed is reached like the shuttle main tank but only to fuel the third stage and so much smaller. I suggest there are no need to cover disposable and cheap fuel tanks with heavy heat tiles to recover them…and as the first stage I would consider a Stratolaunch Scale Composite 200 plus tons capacity heavy lift plane and as second stage, a Falcon9/ Heavy mid stage landing legged and refurbished rocket or a large Pegasus winged rocket flying and gliding back empty..wings could provide additional lift up at take off and up to 100000 feet’s , this would make a fully recoverable three stage ISS crew taxi much cheaper than huge starship recovering heat tiled empty tanks from orbit..the 200 tons plane capacity might be limited but two boosters are possible . With reignitable Merlin’s second stage rocket engines can assist acceleration during take off and once at 25000 feets high, both plane and second stage could be refuelled more with other KC46 or A330MMRT tanker planes..all components being durable except for third stage small 3D printed tanks, the cost or one launch can be cut drastically considering the cost of the niobium nozzle orbital Melin of talon second stage lost is expensive, the all weather landing lifting body capacity is also safer and requires less reserves on board…one big issue is that all those technologies exists but are in different private hands with sometime a few litigations inbetween those competitors but not partners…. It would take a capable prime contractor like NASA for Apollo or a very good engineering firm subcontracting, integrating and approving each piece of the puzzle…😂
I think it looks less like the space shuttle .Tenacity looks more like the Lockheed Martin X-33 or the Northrop M2-F2 (lets hope history doesn't repeat itself ) . Good luck "Tenacity" be nice to see a space plane again .
I would agree Musk was wrong when it will be better than any of his rocket. I can wait few years. No need to rush.Right now - Musk was right with everything rocket related. I can dont like him, but what he accomplish in rocket industry changed entire industry forever. And you cant put this djinn back to the bottle. Humanity will travel to moon and mars. With or without NASA. Half century of NASA incompetence and destroying rocket industry is over. Now we have 10x Space Ex class companies. And finaly some competition in space, if NASA like it or not.
@@ads06.1 And there were never any significant problems with the tiles. No, Columbia was not lost due to a failure of the tiles. A large hole was punched in the skin of the airframe itself, on launch.
@ thank you for your reply and you’re correct about the Columbia damage done to the tiles. That said, the tiles were one of the most challenging parts to the shuttle and its mission tempo as the work involved in replacing them after each recovery was a lengthy procedure and was perhaps its greatest vulnerability. Then again, reentering the earths atmosphere has always been a very hazardous part of the mission.
Please stick to SI units instead of stating everything in US friendly units or mixing them up all over the place, most of the world understands and recognises those.
3:16 Why Launch Dream Chaser on a Falcon9 ? Launch it on a Falcon Heavy , fully reusable all 3 Cores! + an interim, reusable 2nd Boost_Stage_SSTtoOrbit_Plane? How long can Dream Chaser stay in orbit? Does it have an accoustic, multiple microphones impact detection and triangulation system to recognize and locate micro-meteorite impacts? no Pats (expired, Germany).: IPC: B64G 1/56 AKZ: 10 2012 019 631.8 "Sound Impact alarm sys in the Hull of Space Stations" (nobody acknoledged that on time, now the ISS suffers!) If that happens and a serious problem arises, is there a robotic rescue and repair mission possible with another Falcon_9? to bring up some spare tiles and glue! Kessler Orbital Shredders Syndrome Looming.
@@techmap9 even after 60 years of flight NASA can't make a decent heat shield (i.e. Orion) so them cracking it 1st time is highly unlikely. In my opinion the only true contender in the market other than SpaceX is Stoke! Maybe Rocket Lab, but Peter Beck is a gimmick boss.
@@pedrosura only company with actual real flight data to work from and itterating very quickly. Probably too fast for any other company to even get close to their achievements.
This Space Plane Design has been around forever it seems.....at least 30 years. Nothing new to see here. Maybe on top of Falcon9 there could be a whole fleet of these things flying in to orbit and back to Earth. Elon should give it a shot in the arm so to speak and put these Space Planes on his agenda to make happen.
Nope. The title and opening claim are inaccurate. The X-37B had been in development for years and first orbital flight in 2010 (and latest in 2023). The Dream Chaser has been in the news since inception. None of this is news, nor revolutionary, nor solves impossible problems. The value proposition is still to be proven, but Dream Chaser has been quite public for many years.
Still waiting to hear what Musk called impossible. But this could be the first reusable vehicle capable of returning humans to land and flying again since the space shuttle. Space shuttle was horribly bloated for human missions due to the military requirement for a huge cargo bay. Against that, you have to consider that many missions involving large cargos needed humans back when the space shuttle was designed, but can now be done without humans due to advances in automation. The idea of a small winged reusable vehicle for returning crew goes back decades (even to Wernher Von Braun) but has never been executed. All current vehicles are non reusable and wingless without fine control over where they land. Spacex Starship is great for launching vast amounts of cargo but powered landing on Earth will never be as safe as a minimally sized human capsule taking full advantage of air braking for unpowered landing.
NASA's STS program budgeted for a catastrophic failure in every one in fifty missions. (The narrator said 100). NASAs estimate was very close to right :(
Tenacity looks more like a hobby based on existing design. In fact, it funding is not tradition business venture but "do a little work here; do a little work there" over twenty years where teams come and go. In fact, I seen these "business plans" to cover the jobs need to hire vets since the Base Closures of the 1990's where most are retiree who got their pension already....While the rest of us are fighting to raise our kids and pay our mortgages. PS...Looks typical diverting the funding...We need a version of Sea Launch Boeing to launch Space X Starliner or Tenacity on Falcon Heavy in Southern California.
lmao the literally fire rockets into space and hope they work and if they dont they just try again with ther investors money, nasa never had that luxury. u people are morons
They should implement magnetism in each tile too. Similar to when the opposite poles of magnets reflect and push away each other and cause a anti-gravity effect.
Just exactly what does this do that the existing systems by SpaceX do not do aside from land like an airplane and require another complete set of recovery and reload etc? This looks like just another liner for some congressional pockets. NASA should stay with the science and leave space systems to people who can get them on the launchpad and into space!
You are right but Nasa need more than one system, no competion is the perfect way to see price going sky high and Elon is not one you can trust. Elon is way in advance and will keep improving, I find Starship to be more impressive than anything but the man in charge is not stable.
Yes. NASA is doing as you sugeest and left this to industry. This is designed and build by "Sierra Designs", a private company. What does it do? It lamnds on a runway where the cost of recovery is close to zero. Crew Dragon lands in the ocean where it cost millions to fish them out. But moreso, it takes time to fish them out. Then there is the technical advantage of aerodynamic lift. It lets then have more flexibility in choosing a landing site as they have more cross range ability so the orbit need to be so close to the recovery point.
Have you ever even heard of Dream Chaser? Did you watch the video? This is a privately owned and operated spacecraft which will provide commercial resupply services, just like SpaceX's cargo Dragon and Northup-Grumman's Cygnus. It will, as you say, get them to the launch pad and into space, specifically to the ISS, and then NASA will operate the payloads.
@@andreb.8266 How is he unstable? Because he bought your precious Twitter, stopped censoring it, and revealed all the secrets about how they were cooperating with the government to suppress information?
That freakin thing is useless. On top of that there is just another problem. It's like the name "Dream Chaser". It's nothing but a dream for them to get anything right. It's a stupid idea for dreamers.
This is all very encouraging. I had no idea they'd be able to launch these without a faring. Too bad Elon is going to defund NASA and channel all those resources to Spacex.
@@scottbieser Well, don't you know Trump is going to be a dictator? All he will have to do is issue commands and decrees and every official of the government will jump to obey like the mindless drones they are. We're all doomed.
Musk is in on DOGE. The first thing that committee should cut is all the funding for Starship. It's basically a steel trash can with no life support. It is a massive piece of useless junk and is a terrible waste of money.
Tell the world you are stunningly ignorant without actually saying you are stunningly ignorant. You don't actually imagine that engineering test articles, frequently intended to be tested to destruction, would be fully equipped with life support systems, do you? Those are being developed and will be installed when it is appropriate to do so. Also, Starship is chiefly being developed on SpaceX's own dime. NASA is only paying for a specialized Lunar lander version, which will most definitely have life support.
The fact the title says Elon said something was impossible, I knew this video was full of it.
Elon is ALWAYS the one pushing boundaries and doing THAT THING that everyone else says is impossible.
"Musk said"? Clickbait. Come on, you are better than that!
Elon Musk never said the Dream Chaser was IMPOSSIBLE. Why do people lie all the time.
Well, it hasn't "solved" anything as it hasn't flown yet.
@@jamescarter8311 Well truthfully DOD has been flying an unmanned version for almost a decade now
They have been flying the X37B by Boeing. The first Dream Chaser is not yet completed, let alone in space.
Make the CEO be a passenger on the first flight along with the lead NASA administrator.
Then it'll never leave the ground😁
AI generated clickbait
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face.". Right now they have an interesting idea. If it eventually flies smoothly and economically then they say they have a solution.
Musk has never said spaceplanes are "impossible." Clickbait headline, as usual.
He actually did say that you don't need wings on a space craft because..... And another thing, stop being an Elon cult !
@@educatingfool216 of course he said you don't need wings, but that's not the same as saying a spaceplane is "impossible." I had two very technically talented friends who argued back and forth over whether or not horizontal takeoff or vertical takeoff launch vehicles would be better, and Musk proved that vertical takeoff and landing vehicles can work very well, but it doesn't mean well designed winged vehicles can't do as well. Nothing to do with cult, just sloppy journalism.
this looks like exactly the space shuttle from Farescape
The Space X's Starship is not yet operational because it is still under development and undergoing a series of test flights,
First - I worked on the Dream Chaser, and know it is a fine vehicle to do what it is designed to do. BUT, it will never be an inexpensive way to get to space. It is not a "Launch" vehicle. it is a 're-entry vehicle and is dependent on a large lift rocket to get to orbit. It will also cost, per launch, as much as Musk's target for starship launch, just for this re-entry vehicle.
It should have a better deceleration profile (lower G forces) on reentry than the Dragon, and will land on a runway for quick payload recovery. How it compares to Starship is to be determined.
BTW, this video mispronounced "Louisville". This is in Colorado, and is pronounced "Loo-is ville". The residents are very insistent on this! LoL
Appreciate you sharing your expert opinion!
Hey! How dare you come on here and correct people's deeply held ignorance with facts.
+For goodness sake, get your AI-replicated voice sorted out. If it doesn't know how to put sentences together with contextual notes, then don't use it. Use a HUMAN... They're usually perfect.
What do you expect from a Chinese run channel.
Put a sock in it, grandpa
@@fkxfkx fuck-off diaper king
@@fkxfkx sure thing diaper king
These slapped together ai vids are a plague. Even though this subject is interesting that voice is grating
Lifting bodies are so cool! They have one of the X-38 test articles at the Strategic Air Command & Aerospace Museum in Ashland Nebraska just west of Omaha.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Thumb down for misleading
NASAs hypothetical space plane could possibly solve these issues. I’ll hold my opinion until I see it fly….
THAT ENTIRE RIG IS STOLEN DESIGNS FROM MUSK WHAT LOOK AT FINS ON STARSHIP THEN THE HEAT TILES WTF
Great info… TERRIBLE text to speech. Siri on my iPhone sounds better. 😳
DynaSoar from the 1960s nothing new here.
What’s upsetting me is that I’m a third of the way through the video and not yet have I heard you mention that it’s a variation of the NASA lifting body designs from the 60’s.
They mentioned the HL-20 in the 1980's. It, in fact, resembles the HL-10 from the late 1960's to early 1070's. The HL-10 was used in an episode of the Six Million Dollar Man, "Deadly Replay". The HL-10 was a development of the M1F2 that crashed during landing.
@ yeah, they mentioned the 1980’s, but didn’t mention the research that NASA did back in the late 50s/early 60’s that they are profiting from. That’s what I said. Yes, I’m well past old enough to vividly recall the opening sequence from the 6 million dollar man. Just like Spacex doesn’t mention all the research that NASA did over the past 65 years that they profit from. Like nozzle shapes and designs for example.
What would NASA do without Kapton Tape?
(Also...the AI robot is unable to say 10x10 and 6x6 area measurments properly.)
The major difference between Dream Chaser and Starship is Starship doesn't waste it's fuel tanks like other space launch systems. Imagine all of the materials that end up in the upper atmosphere from all of the thrown away space junk from every launch.
Imagine how far Dream Chaser would be by now if NASA didn't waste billions of Boing.
Not any further than it is now, both Starliner and DreamChaser are wildly over budget and, ultimately, Starliner ended up functioning and returning to earth safely and could have brought back the astronauts it went up with - they had software issues that caused problem, the hardware performance was nominal.
@stevengeorges9046 it still wouldn't matter. Sierra Space would have already had their spaceship in space if they contracted with SpaceX. Instead, they contracted with ULA and Blue Origin, neither of which have done any significant space flights in 10 years. Hell, BO hasn't even gone into actual space, while ULA has been constantly delayed by BO's inability to mass produce its rocket engines and technical failures
@@SmokeyMarkitZeroI'm sure that's a great comfort to the poor souls stuck in the ISS 😂
Just kidding, I hope they will soon be back here on Earth, but what a way to spend Christmas and New Year
@@neilgodwin6531 For them, they're in heaven, literally. I'm sure they were disappointed their ship broke, but they were both overjoyed that it meant they get to spend eight months in space.
@@thomaswakefield6889 What are you talking about? Blue Origin has nothing to do with it. Starliner is built and operated by Boeing, and it is Boeing, not NASA, who contracted with ULA for launch services. Naturally they did that because Boeing is half owner of ULA.
thats what they said about STAYLINER!!
It will probably be carried up by a Falcon 9
The Shuttle looks like an XF-58 Goblin to me; but, with more Modern Day Space Shuttle Technology.
While going through my Reference Material for the proper ID Number of the Goblin Parasite Fighter, I came across the Northrop HL-10.
When I look at a STAR WARS TIE Fighter, I see a Parasite Fighter like the XF-58 Goblin; and, not a Full-Fledged Fighter that the TIE Fighter is depicted as being.
Yea, Yea, Yea.
!!! IT'S FICTION !!!
But, for me, who is interested in Real Life Science & Technology, watching Science-Fiction Genre Storylines that don't actually represent Science is kind of a downer.
Now make it at least 1/10th as efficient as Falcon or Starship. I'll wait. Wouldn't be surprised if it never completes a manned mission.
You're not comparing the same things: only Starship is another space ship, Falcon is a booster.
I like the concept of Dreamchaser. Itcan be launch atop a number of existing rockets and it can land at many airports around the world. It is smsll enogh to be land transported on a truck once it lands. It reminds me of the X37B that has been operationsl for over a decsde.
Ai generated and narrated. Ignore these!
Steve Austin wants his space plane back.
It could fit on SpaceX heavy lifter?
It would fit on the Falcon 9.
I’m just amazed how little this design has changed the first time I saw it in the New York world fair in 1974 remember hearing how this thing will soon revolutionize space travel by being a space taxi now I can compare it to SpaceX starship and I realize DOGE needs to start the house cleaning in NASA Human progress is being Stifled by greed
That was 1964! I was there to.😁
@ Wow 64 so when I saw it it was at least a decad old so NASA is saying that we know of and that is if you don’t include the lifting body experiments that go back further than that this 71 year old design is an innovation ?
TECH MAP, I finally figured out that the voice on this video is related to Data, in that the 'X' in describing dimensions read it as 'times', rather than the correct 'by'.
I will fix this. thanks your feedback
It looks like a typical lifting body that goes way back.
Cliif notes... they theoretically "solved" nothing.
Ai for newbie with misinformation and some concept (half baked).
Man when they finish that thing in 86 years and 2 trillion over budget…it’s gonna be so cool
Stopped watching after hearing the horrid AI voice.
So annoying! Will block this channel beause of that.
Rockets with chemical-reaction engines are not the future of space flight.
They are the only future of spaceflight. Absolutely nothing else can launch from the surface of the Earth.
Good grief! I've been reading the comments and the amount of sheer ignorance being displayed about Dream Chaser, Starship, Sierra Nevada, SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, and Elon Musk is just mind boggling.
Still waiting for first launch ? You're sure tooting your horn awful loud for a company with no achievements. prove the concept by flying the craft, perform a mission, and successfully land the craft. Then, and only then, come back and tell us how great you are.
So far this is just somebody's favorite wet dream. Show the world first. Then brag.
It would already be in use if NASA hadn't been adamant about giving one of the commercial crew contracts (and $4.2B in startup money) to Boeing. With the debacle that is Starliner, it goes to show that an "experienced" contractor isn't always the best. Boeing was pitching past accomplishments made by engineers who are now retired or dead.
The once great NASA has turned into a Bureaucratic Money Burning Nightmare. At this time its hard to make a case to keep NASA around. What have they done in the last 30 yrs, things that advance Humanity???
Looks good. I hope that it is successful. I also hope that Elon & Ramaswamy don't cut this from NASA's budget to save money (& protect SpaceX from competition)
I very much like what seems real competition with SpaceX and Blue Origin. Dream Chaser v2.0 atop a Falcon Heavy sounds pretty good to me.
Yes. This is what I like to see!
That would be cool, but it's not clear to me how they are going to build it. That will be a multibillion dollar project, and they do not have a NASA contract to fund it. I know they are working on it, at some level, but they don't have anything like the necessary funds to bring it to fruition and I can't see where they are going to get them. I hope they manage it somehow though. Even though there simply isn't time to develop a manned version in time for it to service the ISS, we will still have need of manned spaceflight capabilities after it is retired, and I would like to see the United States have multiple manned spacecraft. If Boeing can ever fix the problems with Starliner, wouldn't it be terrific if, in a few years, we had Dream Chaser, Starliner, Crew Dragon, Starship, and Orion all performing various manned missions? Take that Russia and China.
I agree. Competition in this will lead us to colonizing the solar system much faster than if we just have one government agency doing it all. And no one person can come up with every answer. When I was a kid I was told that by the time I was my dad's age we would have people living on the moon. Well I am now WAY past what my dad was at that time and we haven't even been back. But I have hope that within the next 50 years there will be a permanent base on the moon. And maybe one on some other heavenly bodies as wall.
Musk is right though, NASA plan 30 billion. Musk 5 Billion
What is so darn frustrating is how long it takes for these other companies to come to functional fruition.
it is terrible to continually compare Dreamchaser with the Shuttle. Different birds, different missions. Dreamchaser is a SUV delivery groceries while the Shuttle was a Semi Truck delivering ISS modules and large LEO satellites. I welcome Dreamchaser to augment all the other good technology out there and its another step in re-usability and sustainability.
It still hasn't launched & at the moment they have only produced a single prototype with a second in production that is a bit over 1/2 built.
Tenacity is not a prototype. It is an operational spacecraft. The key word is yet. The fact that something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will never happen.
@odysseusrex5908 Serra Nevada space has many projects and a small bucket of money to work with hopefully they can be successful with this one.
It hasn't solved anything yet.
Can not wait to get this vehicle in space.
Awwww, it's like a cute lil baby shuttle
Tiles differentiate based on surface to mass. DC is 1/4th the size so making smaller tiles is a better perspective. It just needs to stop being being incapsulated, and put on the head of a FH (fully expendable). Its (for now), just a cargo SP. But in the future, will grow bigger in size. That's just theory's on my perspective. Thanks for the episode. Keep'em coming.
In my opinion, this doesn't look like it was based on the space shuttle design. To me, it looks more like it was modeled after NASAs X-24A Lifting Body. If you do a side by side comparison, the resemblance is really close.
It looks like Steve Austin's craft.
This 1st flight is so important, I would pick Falcon heavy over ULA if it were my money to get DreamChaser into space.
What about the X37, the DoD robot spaceplane that has flown successfully for months at a time on several occasions? I suppose it does not make the headlines because it flies on secret military missions.
Your back information about the beginning of Dream Chaser is missing a lot of information. It was started as an idea back in the late 90s by a company known as Space Development Corp or commonly known as Space Dev in Poway, California with a guy named Frank Macklin and some of his engineers myself included. Actual hardware was made all of this shortly after we finished developing the hybrid rocket motor for Scaled Composites and their Spaceship One. It was sometime after I left that Sierra Nevada Corp bought Space Dev I forget exactly when but around 2005 maybe a little later.
One more thing about the beginnings of Dream Chaser, there was much concern over whether or not people could be launched on board since it would be enclosed in a fairing and have no launch abort system.
I have a question, when there is no oxygen out in space, how do you get the rocket to fire, I have seen that you use air to control it, but fire and oxygen are closely related ?
Liquid oxygen is used as part of the propellant.
@ ok thx.
I've been following Sierra Space for awhile now. But I watched this whole video and I didn't hear what this plane solved that Elon Musk said was "impossible"? What time stamp is that on or is it just clickbait and not true at all?
Will this vehicle be manned ???
This version no. Sierra has plans for a manned version though.
This video is a bit early as this 'new plane' hasn't even been tested yet.
I noticed we went from three stages to two to save cost but if a launcher becomes reusable third stage can be roughly 40% lighter for the same load.. I think a DreamChaser with two reigniting type orbital Merlin’s or equivalent and some two or four fighter type 3 D printed jettison fuel tanks abandoned just before orbital speed is reached like the shuttle main tank but only to fuel the third stage and so much smaller. I suggest there are no need to cover disposable and cheap fuel tanks with heavy heat tiles to recover them…and as the first stage I would consider a Stratolaunch Scale Composite 200 plus tons capacity heavy lift plane and as second stage, a Falcon9/ Heavy mid stage landing legged and refurbished rocket or a large Pegasus winged rocket flying and gliding back empty..wings could provide additional lift up at take off and up to 100000 feet’s , this would make a fully recoverable three stage ISS crew taxi much cheaper than huge starship recovering heat tiled empty tanks from orbit..the 200 tons plane capacity might be limited but two boosters are possible . With reignitable Merlin’s second stage rocket engines can assist acceleration during take off and once at 25000 feets high, both plane and second stage could be refuelled more with other KC46 or A330MMRT tanker planes..all components being durable except for third stage small 3D printed tanks, the cost or one launch can be cut drastically considering the cost of the niobium nozzle orbital Melin of talon second stage lost is expensive, the all weather landing lifting body capacity is also safer and requires less reserves on board…one big issue is that all those technologies exists but are in different private hands with sometime a few litigations inbetween those competitors but not partners…. It would take a capable prime contractor like NASA for Apollo or a very good engineering firm subcontracting, integrating and approving each piece of the puzzle…😂
I think it looks less like the space shuttle .Tenacity looks more like the Lockheed Martin X-33 or the Northrop M2-F2 (lets hope history doesn't repeat itself ) . Good luck "Tenacity" be nice to see a space plane again .
He didn't say it was 'IMpossible', he said it was "!nsanely Stup!d".
It’s a smaller knock off of the shuttle. But payload is much smaller. Efficient does not mean it can do same job.
Well then, BUILD THE DAMN THING!!! Stop yapping!!!☹️
I would agree Musk was wrong when it will be better than any of his rocket. I can wait few years. No need to rush.Right now - Musk was right with everything rocket related. I can dont like him, but what he accomplish in rocket industry changed entire industry forever. And you cant put this djinn back to the bottle. Humanity will travel to moon and mars. With or without NASA. Half century of NASA incompetence and destroying rocket industry is over. Now we have 10x Space Ex class companies. And finaly some competition in space, if NASA like it or not.
Baby shutle!
I really worry about the tile failure
They've been very thoroughly tested.
@@odysseusrex5908 That's what NASA said with the Space Shuttle
@@ads06.1 And there were never any significant problems with the tiles. No, Columbia was not lost due to a failure of the tiles. A large hole was punched in the skin of the airframe itself, on launch.
@ thank you for your reply and you’re correct about the Columbia damage done to the tiles.
That said, the tiles were one of the most challenging parts to the shuttle and its mission tempo as the work involved in replacing them after each recovery was a lengthy procedure and was perhaps its greatest vulnerability. Then again, reentering the earths atmosphere has always been a very hazardous part of the mission.
Interesting. Wings 🪽 ?
And they're STILL chasing the dream....
Haven't seen it in flight yet....
Somebody watching??😎😎😎😎
Yes
@BRO0O0O0DER hello..where you from??..😎😎😎
Elon Musk has been wrong many times.
Inefficient yet to fly regularly
Sounds like an IBM salesman sitting on the bed telling his prospective lover how great it is going to be.
Please stick to SI units instead of stating everything in US friendly units or mixing them up all over the place, most of the world understands and recognises those.
Please make new space seap most powerful and advance please sir please
Ai generated hit piece. Didnt see that comin?!
Why aren’t they using a nose wheel, what is the idea behind it.
Oh No !
3:16 Why Launch Dream Chaser on a Falcon9 ? Launch it on a Falcon Heavy , fully reusable all 3 Cores! + an interim, reusable 2nd Boost_Stage_SSTtoOrbit_Plane?
How long can Dream Chaser stay in orbit? Does it have an accoustic, multiple microphones impact detection and triangulation system to recognize and locate micro-meteorite impacts? no Pats (expired, Germany).: IPC: B64G 1/56 AKZ: 10 2012 019 631.8 "Sound Impact alarm sys in the Hull of Space Stations" (nobody acknoledged that on time, now the ISS suffers!)
If that happens and a serious problem arises, is there a robotic rescue and repair mission possible with another Falcon_9? to bring up some spare tiles and glue!
Kessler Orbital Shredders Syndrome Looming.
Crossing my fingers that Musk and Trump don't try to kill Dream Chaser.
why should it exist? Musk has a far better proven solution TODAY!!
No. They won't
Engaging in absurdist fantasies you mean.
Still an unproven and untested technology
Many things could and probably will go wrong
Yep
But its potential is very promising
Yeah look at Space X. Full redesign now with liquid cooling. After 6 flights
@@techmap9 even after 60 years of flight NASA can't make a decent heat shield (i.e. Orion) so them cracking it 1st time is highly unlikely.
In my opinion the only true contender in the market other than SpaceX is Stoke! Maybe Rocket Lab, but Peter Beck is a gimmick boss.
@@pedrosura only company with actual real flight data to work from and itterating very quickly. Probably too fast for any other company to even get close to their achievements.
This Space Plane Design has been around forever it seems.....at least 30 years. Nothing new to see here. Maybe on top of Falcon9 there could be a whole fleet of these things flying in to orbit and back to Earth. Elon should give it a shot in the arm so to speak and put these Space Planes on his agenda to make happen.
The space station is about to be destroyed burning it up in the atmosphere.
Do you see any similarities ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-105
Nope. The title and opening claim are inaccurate.
The X-37B had been in development for years and first orbital flight in 2010 (and latest in 2023). The Dream Chaser has been in the news since inception.
None of this is news, nor revolutionary, nor solves impossible problems. The value proposition is still to be proven, but Dream Chaser has been quite public for many years.
Still waiting to hear what Musk called impossible. But this could be the first reusable vehicle capable of returning humans to land and flying again since the space shuttle. Space shuttle was horribly bloated for human missions due to the military requirement for a huge cargo bay. Against that, you have to consider that many missions involving large cargos needed humans back when the space shuttle was designed, but can now be done without humans due to advances in automation. The idea of a small winged reusable vehicle for returning crew goes back decades (even to Wernher Von Braun) but has never been executed. All current vehicles are non reusable and wingless without fine control over where they land. Spacex Starship is great for launching vast amounts of cargo but powered landing on Earth will never be as safe as a minimally sized human capsule taking full advantage of air braking for unpowered landing.
If Elon says it's impossible you better wait until he gets it figured out. It will need an electric engine that lasts for more than a few minutes.
This is a waste of time, money and resources. Why would anyone pursue this when SpaceX does it so much better...
NASA's STS program budgeted for a catastrophic failure in every one in fifty missions. (The narrator said 100). NASAs estimate was very close to right :(
Tenacity looks more like a hobby based on existing design. In fact, it funding is not tradition business venture but "do a little work here; do a little work there" over twenty years where teams come and go. In fact, I seen these "business plans" to cover the jobs need to hire vets since the Base Closures of the 1990's where most are retiree who got their pension already....While the rest of us are fighting to raise our kids and pay our mortgages. PS...Looks typical diverting the funding...We need a version of Sea Launch Boeing to launch Space X Starliner or Tenacity on Falcon Heavy in Southern California.
So nasa is not good only musk scammer knows Everly thing
lmao the literally fire rockets into space and hope they work and if they dont they just try again with ther investors money, nasa never had that luxury. u people are morons
It's been said in the video, low g runway landing! Might be very important once somebody starts manufacturing delicate equipment in orbit.
I thought this ship was operational under US Airforce auspices doing classified missions.
Not yet.
You're thinking of the X-37B, built by Boeing which, remarkably, actually works.
They should implement magnetism in each tile too. Similar to when the opposite poles of magnets reflect and push away each other and cause a anti-gravity effect.
Um, do you understand how magnetic fields change in response to heat?
@ to some extent yes, but the earth's magnetic field is not changing.
The space plane is cool but we still need a modern day space shuttle's for moving big objects in to space !!!!!!!
The dream chaser has been on a number of flights, some almost a year. Why is there another, draining NASA funds?
Just exactly what does this do that the existing systems by SpaceX do not do aside from land like an airplane and require another complete set of recovery and reload etc? This looks like just another liner for some congressional pockets. NASA should stay with the science and leave space systems to people who can get them on the launchpad and into space!
You are right but Nasa need more than one system, no competion is the perfect way to see price going sky high and Elon is not one you can trust. Elon is way in advance and will keep improving, I find Starship to be more impressive than anything but the man in charge is not stable.
Yes. NASA is doing as you sugeest and left this to industry. This is designed and build by "Sierra Designs", a private company. What does it do? It lamnds on a runway where the cost of recovery is close to zero. Crew Dragon lands in the ocean where it cost millions to fish them out. But moreso, it takes time to fish them out. Then there is the technical advantage of aerodynamic lift. It lets then have more flexibility in choosing a landing site as they have more cross range ability so the orbit need to be so close to the recovery point.
Have you ever even heard of Dream Chaser? Did you watch the video? This is a privately owned and operated spacecraft which will provide commercial resupply services, just like SpaceX's cargo Dragon and Northup-Grumman's Cygnus. It will, as you say, get them to the launch pad and into space, specifically to the ISS, and then NASA will operate the payloads.
@@andreb.8266 How is he unstable? Because he bought your precious Twitter, stopped censoring it, and revealed all the secrets about how they were cooperating with the government to suppress information?
That freakin thing is useless. On top of that there is just another problem. It's like the name "Dream Chaser". It's nothing but a dream for them to get anything right.
It's a stupid idea for dreamers.
why keep mentioning feet inches, fahrenheit?
You scared of MAGA?
Maybe because most of the people watching knows imperial and Fahrenheit.
I really hope it turns out out to be more efficient and cheaper than Elon Musk’s dictator friendly rocket’s
It won't, and how are the Falcons and Starship "dictator friendly"?
This is all very encouraging. I had no idea they'd be able to launch these without a faring. Too bad Elon is going to defund NASA and channel all those resources to Spacex.
Don't be absurd.
It amuses me how both DOGE's supporters and detractors think DOGE will have any actual legal authority.
Remind us who is launching NASA astronauts to the ISS?
@@scottbieser Well, don't you know Trump is going to be a dictator? All he will have to do is issue commands and decrees and every official of the government will jump to obey like the mindless drones they are. We're all doomed.
@@odysseusrex5908 That sounds very Democratic to me. No wonder I don't trust them.
Musk is in on DOGE. The first thing that committee should cut is all the funding for Starship. It's basically a steel trash can with no life support. It is a massive piece of useless junk and is a terrible waste of money.
Funding??? Is not BO they have contract and no launch... starship is on develoment... private develoment.
Tell the world you are stunningly ignorant without actually saying you are stunningly ignorant. You don't actually imagine that engineering test articles, frequently intended to be tested to destruction, would be fully equipped with life support systems, do you? Those are being developed and will be installed when it is appropriate to do so. Also, Starship is chiefly being developed on SpaceX's own dime. NASA is only paying for a specialized Lunar lander version, which will most definitely have life support.
Doesn't look like it can carry much as it's so small so be useless