I'm really hoping we get some official updates on the KOTOR Remake this year from Saber... The silence is truly deafening and I think it's time for a little transparency. Come follow me on Twitter for all the updates I receive for the KOTOR Remake when I get them - twitter.com/100PerStarWars (Also here's the interview for any of you Portuguese speakers out there! (ruclips.net/video/itgGUVTrmaQ/видео.html)
Honestly. Hearing that the game moved away from Aspyr due to the 'Visual Presentation' is heartbreaking. In game development the actual gameplay is the hardest thing to get right, especially when trying to modernise an older title. Also the loss of a potential KOTOR 3 is just depressing. It's criminal that games as good as KOTOR I & II haven't seen a remake nor received the love they deserve.
@@Deathelement53 I'm not talking about love from the fans. The games are loved but the series hasn't received the love and attention they deserve from the publishers/rights holders. Since KOTOR 2 what have they given to this series besides some ports. There is the MMO but i'd hardly call it a fitting successor. The SWTOR used what KOTOR had built, not because they were interested in KOTOR but because it was an easier starting point than something completely new and could bank the brand recognition an entirely new concept could not. The closest thing to a fitting continuation IMO is the Mass Effect Trilogy however how many other games have attempted something similar to KOTOR? How can something so good and respected be left to gather dust but the industry? Don't get me wrong, the fans love those games to this day and still work to continue their legacy as they can. Some of those fans worked for Aspyr but in the end, the love of the fans will not deliver what the series deserves without support from the relevant publishers and right's holders which is a huge shame. I can only hope that one day the rights will fall to the right people who can do it justice and are filling to follow through.
This is disappointing to me as well. If the remake ends up seeing the light of day and it's a mediocre God of War knock off I'm skipping the purchase, no matter how much I loved the originals.
honestly with the amount of total garbage content Disney has been making my hopes were nonexistent for this remake and turns out that was the right call
The only thing I’ll say on the point of aspyr and the kotor remake is that, wether it’s a good thing or bad thing, they got a whole project taken from them and several people got fired when they showed it to Disney and Sony. That’s pretty shocking.
Lucasfilm loved it. But from my perspective, they got a whole project taken away from them because they tried to make an actual faithful RPG, KOTOR Remake and not Sony's prefered God of War Inspired KOTOR... I know which I'd prefer lol.
@@100StarWars There is only 1 proper AAA rpg being developed now, which is BG3 and before that the closest thing might have been what DA:I? if not then DA:O, fact is the moment this remake got the 70 million dollar budget being a proper RPG was out of the table. (
@@100StarWars I heard it was trying to be like a mix between god of war and nioh. I’m all for changing game formula to fit the modern/current times and to appeal to a wider audience, but personally I wouldn’t want kotor to play like either of those two games let alone a mix. Personally I don’t even like fallen Jedi’s souls like gameplay.
@@fanmovie357 Baldur's Gate 3 is not a proper RPG lmao it's literally just a dating sim, the developers are putting all the effort into pathetic fictional sex for incels and all the fanbase seems to care about is fictional romances. The story and choices are an afterthought.
At this point I’ve given up on the restored content for KOTOR2 on switch. But if Disney is going to have an iron grip going forward on Star Wars games I’m afraid they won’t allow any new remasters of old games. At this point I’d give my left nut for a remaster of all 3 Rouge Squadron games on the switch 😭
@@540VarialHunter wookiepedia is fan made lol. Also, all I could find for your drag claims was a star wars drag show, which is not the same thing as making those characters canonically drag. Do you have any sources?
It’s good to finally have news, but man it was some BRUTAL news. That KOTOR II remake stuff hit the hardest, as Visas is my favorite SW video game character and I was really hoping a KOTOR II remake could give us some more of her story and raise her profile (and maybe get us a Black series figure).
My favorite character in Star Wars video games, and my second-favorite Star Wars character overall is Revan. That is because Revan experienced both the Light and Dark Sides of the Force and found balance between the two. Unlike the Jedi and Sith, Revan is one of only two characters who is truly human. The other character who is truly human is my favorite Star Wars character overall, and that is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.
If we’re talking KotOR II mine is Kreia. She was hands down the most intriguing and well-developed character in that game. Of course my favorite character in the Old Republic era would be Revan, but Kreia is a close second. HK-47 or G0-T0 would wind up 3rd probably, although in my ranking contenders for this place also include Canderous/Mandalore the Preserver, T3-M4, Visas and Bastila.
Honestly, at this point i wouldnt be too upset if they just cancelled it altogether. its so frustrating, im over it😒if they'd have just decided to do a remaster i would have been more than happy.
The game is going to be not what you expected let's be real, even if we just got a remaster of graphics and an improved combat system with a toggle for legacy combat and new 2023 combat, that would just be enough for everyone, but knowing Disney they'll find a way to ruin this and totally go off track and make all the characters LGBTQ etc etc 😂
My view is that when management fails, you should replace the management. I can't imagine how it stings the developers to lose a beloved project because of other peoples mistakes.
Remember: the proof is in the pudding. It is entirely possible that the core gameplay and story, the most critical aspects of KOTOR, were effectively finished by Aspyr already. The rest amounts to the technical nitty gritty, hopefully, which another studio might be better suited to working on. Game development can (and often does) defy expectations. We don't know enough about the situation to be sure one way or another. The time for excited dancing or vehement swearing will come when we watch the trailers and previews, whenever that happens.
The time for excited dancing or vehement swearing should only come when the product is either out, or at the very least in the hand of reputable reviewers, not whenever a corporation has their marketing team picking what to show for maximum appeal.
Dear God no we don't need a crappy reskinned FFXIII break system with damage sponge bosses as artificial difficulty. Keep the FFVIIR combat away from this game lol
"you can't build this game because you are building it as exactly what it always was. We want it to be different with the same name" welp....that kind of kills it for me...I'll stick to the original and with my head cannon of what happened to Revan
I had my concerns from day one, this Franchise has just been being milked like a cash cow. It feel likes writers don't know what made Star Wars great was the interesting stories it told not the action or the visuals. Revan story was one of the best stories (whether it was KOTOR or SWTOR in my opinion)
Aspyr's own statement about "updating the story for modern audiences" is what made me fully-disinterested and concerned with their remake. Any and every time the words "modern audiences" are used; its always just referring to personal-politics being not-so-subtly implemented into the works; existing characters being strawmanned or ruined entirely for the sake of serving the "modern audiences". Ghost busters 2016 Star Wars sequel trilogy. Last of Us 2 Mass Effect Andromeda Borderlands 3 Current expansions for Star Wars: Old Republic mmo. Halo TV show. So; if the sources regarding Aspyr treating the remake like an RPG are true; well; thats some good news. While simultaneously; if they were to have followed the trend of what "modern audiences" means; then it would of likely not been Kotor, but a shell of it; probably. If Saber interactive, or whoever; go the route of God of War: Star Wars edition; well; if it preserves the story; its half a point; at least. Do we recognize Kotor as a story-only? or is the identity of Kotor also synched to it being an RPG with dice-rolling; real-time turn-based combat? What "is" kotor? Personally; I'd like them to just copy-paste the existing story and plot. But; add onto it. More quests, more sidequests, more this, more that, more more more. Keep the gameplay. Real-time turn-based combat; with dice rolls, feats, powers, etc. But; add feats, improve existing feats, more more more. Turn what Kotor 2 did for kotor 1, but with the remake, what kotor 12 (or whatever) would look like today. Improve upon kotor, dont change it.
I mean I get your angle, but Kotor's story needs to be updated. The dialogue could be very silly, immature, and coined for cheesy one liners that worked within the framework of its time and technological limitations. But I'd like to see presentation above Darth Bandon's comically evil murder of his own sith soldiers, Malak's bullshit laugh and lack of an emotional reaction to his master's return, Trask's "press the A button" dialogue, and the overly lazy conception of the light side as giving all your money to the poor. This isn't Kotor 2 were talking about with interesting dialogue and nuanced NPCs, this is the first game. Replay it and you'll see how much aspects of the story have aged. Even Carth's "I don't wanna talk about" goes on for too long.
Best comment on here, you get it man, thinking the rest on here are 'modern audiences' AKA LGBT Leftie weirdos who are out to ruin anything with their make believe ideology.
KOTOR is such rich and perfect game that doesn’t need to be remade. Just a simple remaster is all that’s needed. Sure, there are some cheesy dialogue in certain moments that don’t really hold weight to the game that could be improved, but that’s it.
The story areas are fine the way it is(well yeah, change some of the cheesy dialogue. I agree there lol 😂). However the combat needs to be changed. The auto attack turn based style is very boring overtime. Plus it can get extremely infuriating because sometimes the enemies can easily kill you even if you’re stats are really high. Dude I’m level 20 with a high amount of defense, you should not be able to kill me in three attacks. It’s even worse in SWTOR.
I've always been skeptical of the idea of 'remaking' KotOR or honestly any iconic piece of art. In order for that to be truly successful, you really need committed creative and leadership teams with a unified vision. The fact that the KotOR remake has essentially been going through several messy divorces due to conflicting visions pretty much erases any hope I have in this being good. Would love to be proven wrong, I just think it's unlikely.
Maybe it's for the best if it never gets remade. It's already a great game as is, it would be a shame if the wrong group of people got their hands on it and started inserting trash that doesn't belong in it.
When you're remaking something as great as KOTOR, it should be handled with the same care as you would when disarming a bomb. Though to be honest, there is very little in KOTOR that you can improve other than some technical details. KOTOR 2 is the one that can be improved since the game is unfinished even with the restored content mod.
Honestly even though kotor 2 is unfinished there is a lot more depth of experience to it, the first game in comparison feels very much on the rails. There is a lot you could expand on.
@@sethcooper899 KOTOR 2 may have more thematic depth and it's interesting to see a Star Wars story with a nihilistic tone, but KOTOR 1 handles the companions better and is overall more fun to explore. Compare the first levels for example. When exploring Taris, you get lots of world-building, side quests and character development. But Peragus is just a bland mining facility that has nothing interesting going on. As for the companions, the only ones KOTOR 2 handles well are Kreia, Visas, Atton and HK-47 (but only if you have the restored content mod). Canderous is only to drive the plot forward, Bao-Dur feels like a discount Juhani, Mical and Brianna are pretty generic, T3 is not that relevant, Mira is just a typical femme fatale and GO-TO is just...there. Whereas KOTOR 1 gives Revan a meaningful dynamic with each companion. Through side quests and interactions, Bastila gets lots of character development through the romance sub-plot, Revan can become a brother-figure to Mission and thus motivating character growth, Carth, while annoying, has an interesting backstory and serves as a foil to both Bastila and Canderous. Speaking of Canderous, while he's the least developed of the group, the loyalty and trust he forms with Revan is surprisingly believable and we learn a lot about Mandalorian culture from him. Then there's Zaalbar, who manages to separate himself from Chewbacca when it's revealed that he's a banished prince and has to regain his honor. Then there's Juhani, who gives us insight on both the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War due to a tragic past. Jolee Bindo, who appears first to be merely a grumpy old man but bonding with him allows him to shed new light on the Jedi Code, something that can also further Bastila's development. Unlike KOTOR 2, T3 is important to the story in KOTOR 1. And finally, there's HK-47, who I admit is a pretty static character, but he makes up for that by being one of the best comic reliefs in all fiction. Also, each planet in KOTOR 1 feels like it has its own personality and theme. Similar to how George Lucas always treated new planets in the first six movies. While in KOTOR 2, all the planets have pretty much the same personality and theme aside from Nar Shaddaa. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE KOTOR 2, especially Kreia. But I just feel KOTOR 1 is more emotional and character-driven. While both Drew Karpyshyn and Chris Avellone are great writers, I think it's clear that Karpyshyn is the bigger Star Wars fan. Karpyshyn essentially did what JJ Abrams tried and failed to do; to make a traditional Star Wars hero's journey without feeling derivative.
@@CJR-wv8kc Why only graphics and UI? What made kotor special was the themes, characters, lore, storytelling, etc. The gameplay (which I still love to this day, but I'm aware that there is nostalgia involved) was built to serve those other aspects, not the other way around. It was an attempt to make RPG's to be more palatable for a console audience back in the day. Today though? Full on action, turn based or hybrid system RPG's have shown to be very successful. Why not embrace the decade's+ worth of improvements?
Just take KOTOR and make it into an Action RPG. That's all we need, just make it into an Action RPG like it should've been in the first place but keep everything else just as it was. KOTOR was good in spite of it's combat mechanics not because of them.
Remaking KOTOR and KOTOR 2 needs to be done with great care as those two games are beloved and deviating too far from what made them special is likely to cause great upset within the fandom. Deviating too far from the source material is one of the things The Last Jedi is criticized for. Personally, I would like to see both KOTOR games updated graphically and any significant changes should happen in obvious places like updating the combat system. They can expand on the dialogue a bit but as long as it remains faithful to its source material it should be ok. If or when the KOTOR 2 remake is done then I hope that the full game in its entirety is released. As we all know LucasArts forced Obsidian Entertainment to rush development of the sequel leading to an incomplete game being released. Some dedicated fans were able to band together and release the restored content mod which greatly improved the game experience but even after that there was still likely a lot of cut content. Beyond that, we know that Disney changed the canon storyline beyond Return of the Jedi in order to make their own film trilogy, so it's entirely possible that a KOTOR 3 completely ignoring the events of SW:TOR could happen. A fully faithful remake of the KOTOR games and a third game something similar to what Obsidian envisaged before the projects that they and LucasArts themselves had been working on were canceled, would certainly have a positive impact on the fandom and help the studios laugh all the way to the bank. Unfortunately we also know from the history of Star Wars that they will inevitably find a way to ruin the good things they make. Let's hope that doesn't happen with the KOTOR remakes.
So what im hearing is that the remake is gonna be like every other new release. Good looking game with no substance. No interesting systems, or anything that make it actually fun. It's gonna have ray tracing and all the stuff they think gamers want. But in the end we will play it for a month and never touch it again. Or worse... REFUND.
one of the tenets of management is to never dampen enthusiasm, and Sony did just that by pulling the game away from Aspyr. the answer should've always been to find trustworthy leadership for the Aspyr developers, and let them continue their work on the game and right their wrongs. that being said, if Sony's issue with a KOTOR remake was wanting it to be less RPG-like and more action-adventure-like, this is probably a reality which was unavoidable from the moment the project was green lit. can't expect the original developers, who are being given the chance to work on a remake, to do their first build of the game in a style that is anything but what cemented the original as a classic
This really isn’t that big of a deal. Especially if the bulk of the unfinished work is just graphics based on what they took from Aspyr. It’s pretty normal for the bulk of the more detailed and grind work for graphics is often distributed around different teams. I think we all need to take a moment to calm down.
This is such a bummer. I just finished kotor a couple hours ago and it is so special. I have incredibly high expectations for this remake and after learning about aspyrs involvement and subsequent removal from the game, especially for that kotor 3, I’m scared for the future of these games.
Saw the title and my immediate thought was "what a fucking surprise." Star Wars is irrevocably dead. Disney killed it. I can't have any enthusiasm for "official" star wars products anymore. The only things I can enjoy are certain fan projects and only some of the time because of their variance in quality or the mistaken notion that they somehow need to incorporate shit from the "new canon." George selling the franchise was the biggest mistake he ever made, bigger than his handling of Episode 1, which is saying a lot given the impact that had on the entire franchise going forward.
i keep wondering if the original combat system Aspyr was making was a near replica of Kotor’s original system or something more updated but still tactical like dragon age inquisition maybe? every time they say “god of war” style i keep thinking of the force unleashed games, not sure how well that would fit with kotor.
This is my biggest concern. Like, an action game sounds great on paper... But that could EASILY ruin the core of KotOR, which is the group dynamics. Revan didn't win the war by himself; He had an assortment of highly capable companions who were each forces to be reckoned with in their own right, each with their own personality, history, and relevance to the plot. It's the same at the OT really; What makes that trilogy a timeless classic of not just the SW franchise but moviemaking in general, is the characters and their dynamics. A "god of war" style gameplay would place all the work on Revan (the player) because there's no way in hell they'll be able to design 9 unique companions let alone integrate more than one into combat with you.
i always do the wait and see approach before i judge something that isn't out yet, but if they can keep most of the core game intact, i think most people will like it.
They can't give us the game we want with the right Devs, and they also can't let us enjoy the freaking game through recreations of the game, sad, Disney are Jews
When I first saw that interview I was quite surprised and kinda happy that (if Aspyr was to loose the project anyway) it was coming to a studio in my country. But you are absolutely right. Its never good to take this projects away form people so passionate about our beloved games. I have no idea if the Saber guys love kotor as well or not, but the Aspyr team made actual career choices based on this. Also I was floored to know they were planing to pitch a kotor 3!!! That makes this change really tragic. 😢 Why is K3 so damn cursed! Like you, at this point I can only hope the game at least is going to be good, but we might really once again have been robbed of something great. Why does this keep happening in the industry… god damn it
Aspyr has 0 experience for a full on Kotor remake, they are only known for ports so of course it wasn't going to end well for them, although it is tough to say why they fired a couple of people on this...was the gameplay really bad or was it not woke enough for Disney.
Hearing this just makes me even more sad that Aspyr got robbed of this title by sony... KOTOR is THE definitive RPG, and the fact that Sony decided "no RPG, give me god of war" makes me HATE sony. I just hope this game comes and is decent at this point...
So Sony apparently wanted an action-adventure game like their usual IPs, while Aspyr wanted an RPG? Seems plausible, but still seems odd. I think the remake will release within the next 3 years, but I have many questions about the quality it might be. The idea of turning a KOTOR remake into a God of War style game seems to go against much of what the original 2 games were. Most people were expecting/wanting a smoother combat system, but not to the point where the RPG elements were gone completely. The idea that KOTOR 2 and possibly even KOTOR 3 were planned seems strange. Seems like the devs were getting ahead of themselves a bit, but who knows. Sony may have made a huge mistake with how they handled this, but we might never know what actually happened for a long time. I hate it when publishers mess with the devs' vision for the sake of making things more mainstream. KOTOR may be a part of a mainstream, well-known franchise, but KOTOR is rather unique within the Star Wars franchise IMO. The fact that a KOTOR remake of all things has been fumbled this badly up to this point paints everything in a terrible light.
While I’m still worried. There were some writers while it was still under Aspyr bragging about all the changes they were gonna make and they didn’t really seem to respect or care about the source material either. Doesn’t seem like the remake is heading in a good direction regardless because Sony doesn’t want a remake of KOTOR they want God of War: A Star Wars story. I hope it’s good when it comes out but the more meddling by higher ups and investors I think the less likely that is. Most likely they’ll be heavily reliant on nostalgia and not improved gameplay/graphics with similar story and choice narratives
Aw man, hearing about their passions and love for the project and then just being tossed aside really made me sad I usually keep expectations low, that way I can get positively surprised should they pull it off But man, this was some dire news.
Thanks for the update man!! If the combat style is going to be changed(for the better) then I’m fine with that. obviously I want the characters and quests to be well written, but still I want the combat style to be entertaining. I’m not crazy about the combat from KOTOR & SWTOR. I really hope this remake will be successful.
@@100StarWars also I hope that this new company will pick up aspyrs(I probably spelled that wrong) ideas in making a KOTOR 3. I agree, I feel bad for Aspyr. I wish they were able to fulfill their dream in remaking the full trilogy
The combat is a huge part of what defines the Kotor experience. It's a different product otherwise. It's like trying to turn Uncharted into a turn-based shooter. Doesn't work. You can't turn Kotor into Jedi Academy. Kotor is Kotor..
@@SpectreStatus Actually giving KOTOR The outcast and Academy combat would be fantastic. I think “uncharted turn-base” is a bit of an extreme example here. The main charm of KOTOR(like 95%) is the characters, dialogue and story. However in this case Changing the combat of this game will not remove any of the charm. Actually a lot of times the combat of the original game was really bizarre in certain scenes(prime example is the Bastila fight)
I watched the interview and can garantee that they are working in it but aren't the only ones. He talks a lot about how the game development in a large scale (not only kotor) is a colaboration of people in in various places. He also talks that they are involved in 4 projecs, Kotor, a dakar DLC, and 2 others. By the way he speaks I can't tell if they are the "leader" team in the developpent or are making small parts of the game. But he says that "this project isn't ours, it is a project that saber is... That Sony bringed (to us). And by the nature of the development ~~ pause~~ in the saber group, that has a great number of studios, a part of the of the people that are working in this project are here in Vila ( can't understand ). And we are very proud of this." I'm brasilian, By the way.
@@100StarWars cool. If you need more detail, feel free to ask. The rest of the video is him talking about the developer scene in Portugal and not realy relevant. And sorry for my poor english.
The more I hear about this, the more I don't want it to happen. Star Wars has been in the hands of the enemy since 2012 and they've done nothing but tear it to pieces ever since. They should keep their hands off KOTOR. If what you've said in a previous video about Calo Nord and Saul Karath being regendered is true, that's a strong sign that they're going to crap all over it. The KOTOR II and III plan would have excited me had the Disney buyout and EU decanonization not happened. Just leave KOTOR alone!
Personally, I believe that if the story doesn't change too much and add better combat gameplay, maybe add in some of the combat style from the "jedi knight" series, them it'll be praised and it'll do justice by the fans. Raise the level cap above 20 as well lol.
I've only played Kotor I and II a handful of times at my friend's house when I was a kid, but now I have them on my phone so it's like a child hood dream come true lol
8:15 alright THAT right there has me worried because literally the best games I dont care about how visually it looks the story is what got me I mean the first kotor for example how alot of NPCs had faces that didn't move in the dialog and some did, I didn't care the story and characters were incredible... this just means the game is probably going to be short as hell.... they did the same thing with battlefront, spent so much time making it visual eye candy but gave us 4 maps to start... as opposed to the vast things you could do in the original battlefront 2 not to mention the campaign
Sony is right the KOTOR remake should be made like a god of war style cenamatic game 3rd person real time combat akin to the Jedi Knight games. but with RPG elements. It is supposed to be a REMAKE not a REMASTER - SABER's space marine II is almost finished so art teams and story teams can already move on to KOTOR II - as you already said they collaborated with the story teams.
Sony has enough visual Diarrhea in their catalogue of games. It's one thing I actually hate about the action adventure genre of games (especially Sony). One thing I liked about Kotor is the unique environments that you could just take time to admire (especially Manaan). One thing I didn't want this game to be is an action adventure with OTT jumping attacks with an endless amount of visuals and colour on the screen. (sounds like what they are going for judging by your source). Personally I was hoping for something of a cross between Mass Effect and Fallen Order in terms of gameplay. Hope is slowly fading for this game unfortunately.
“Sony took the remake away from Aspyr because it was an RPG and not a cinematic action adventure game like God of War.” This is exactly the opposite of what all KOTOR fans want…
I'm just glad remake still exists literally been waiting over 20 years for it......if they can build on what aspire did then it should be fantastic....so many people love star wars I'm sure there are passionate people on that team as well
So you mean to tell me Sony were unhappy with the fact that the kotor remake.. a remake of one of the greatest rpgs ever.. looked like an rpg remind me again what moron thought it would be a good idea to have them be involved
More rumours about 2 legendary games that will never be remastered or remade as these companies give people hope then they take that hope away what is the point of advising a game that will never come out these rumours have been going around for the last 5yrs if not longer it's beginning to be beyond the joke now
I can probably never fully comprehend how such a chaotic level of mismanagement for a franchise like Star Wars could ever happen and why. What is everybody trying to do anymore?? You don’t have to like Star Wars, either, to know something about this stuff is just mind boggling, it’s unheard of, as far as I know (outside of Post-Disney Star Wars, of course). Regarding KOTOR, just give it modern day graphics, that’s literally all that should be done and it’s a simple, reasonable enough request. Or if you wanna try and speak a certain language to get your wish across, then how about saying rereleasing KOTOR with modern graphics, if not to also give the devs the opportunity to truly complete their games, is a massive chance to make tons of sales to the current generation. Again, what is everybody trying to do anymore?
I really hope that all Saber does is make the visual experience as good as possible without touching the core game and story Aspire was crafting. It probably would've been better if Sony just brought in a visual art director with his own crew to join Aspire and solely work on upgrading the graphics and visual tone. But they'd be working directly with the Aspire team to understand the story and themes that are meant to be conveyed and influence the visual story telling. I hope Saber does well.
I don’t understand why game developers are so against turn based RPGs….. don’t get me wrong I played the shit out of FF7 remake part 1. I platinum’d that game. But even still I would have preferred a version that was more faithful to the turn based system of first 10 final fantasy’s. The original KOTOR while still turn based was also action oriented too almost like Star Ocean and first Chrono Trigger. You can move your characters around on the battlefield enemies are on the screen so you can avoid them if you wanted. That’s different from random battles like in FF games. Not every game has to play uncharted, god of war, last of us, ff7 remake, devil may cry…. Faster pace doesn’t always mean better. Please slow a game down a bit and let us bask in the game play and soak up all the fun and immersion. An I if I didn’t hear HK calling humans “meatbags” and wanting to kill them an enjoying it I’ll be sad…. Even though I rejected the characters behavior I still found the dialogue amusing and enjoyed turning him around to some degree.
one thing ill say as a portuguese national. you are either gonna get the best remake you ever could have gotten, or their work is gonna get cut off mid way by execs. trust me. and expect a bit of bugs, not game braking though. probably funny bugs will be left in xD. and as a big star wars fan id say, i wouldnt honestly be mad at "god of war kotor edition" if they at least did the story justice, which in my opinion is the important part. the gameplay in kotor is insanly clunky. id like to compare it with the witcher 1 and the witcher 3, that is what id like to see comparetively to kotor and kotor remake.
well lets take a sec to look at the makers of hogwarts legacy they had never made a game like that before but look at the game it broke the record for single player games just because they dont have a record of makeing games like this dosent mean they cant do it plus im srry makeing a remake is easier then makeing one from scratch
My biggest concern is that if what you're saying about the Aspyr fellas having a genuine heartfelt love of the KOTOR games is true, then what we're now getting - potentially - is a bunch of bozos who have genuine apathy for it and don't care how much they change things. I hope I'm wrong - I really REALLY hope I'm wrong - but palming it off to some other mob when so much work has already been done, and the words "god of war" being put in the same sentence as "KOTOR" have me bloody worried mate
I'm actually not worried about this it is bad that aspyr lost it due to management mishandling stuff but it happens I think saber has potential even if it's a division that has nothing major under it's belt some of the best games come from nameless studios it's also possible that they sent the game to there just to say it's being worked on to keep people happy whilst they finish up there major projects or reallocate some resources to work on it
at this point itll never happen if only there was a way to upgrade graphics on the originals and keep the content was wayyyy to excited to see apeiron they were doing a fantastic job
Hey man! Just watched your end of the year revan video and you mentioned you were having a hard time. I hope you're doing better man! I love this video and I love your work. Keep your head up man! Take care!
Dude, thank you so much for your hard work in gathering the information on this remake and sharing it with us. It's nice to gain some insight into the behind-the-scenes turmoil that has gone on since the beginning of this period of radio silence that we've been in for half a year now. Your channel is seriously awesome and your efforts do not go unnoticed - keep up the great work! 😁
I do hope they incorporate the Revan novel then into a kotor 3. I loved that book. I thought his dialogue with scourge was really well written and interesting.
I really hope that happens (speaking of what happens after KOTOR 2, the original games' story should not me messed with), and i honestly would prefer, if KOTOR 3 was to happen, that they do it first, and then the remakes of 1 and 2.
a great video man, thanks for the info. i'd like to add that we all need to tone down our expectations of kotor remake(s) by A LOT. it just WON'T be a game we all as a community deserve. It would be a disaster, the only variable is the level of disaster - a gta trilogy kind of disaster or a lighter version. It's pessimistic I know, but considering all we know about the game dev't so far - the probability of having a good remake is soooooooooooooo low. :(
Being portuguese, and haven studied game development for a while. I can assure you it will be worked on properly. We are leading in computer programming in europe. I can also assure we have great artists in 3D art working throughout the country. I hope this saber company does a good job
Saber Interactive: "I'm sorry, Revan, but it seems that the remake is not going as well as we hoped..." Revan: "Meh, don't worry. I'm sure they'll, at least, pay me and my crew if we agree to make a guest appearance on a "Duck Dodgers" episode." Saber Interactive: "That series ended two decades ago" Revan: "Really? Damn, you really miss a lot while being in suspended animation..."
Its such a shame that so many potentially legendary and loved games are ruined and destroyed by corporate greed. Honestly at this point, I am not even sure I want a remake. If you would have asked me a year ago, I’d have said, “hell yes!” But as I have been playing it more recently, I have realized once again just how much I love it. And the problems that I had with the game, like clunky combat and outdated ai, I have found I am able to look past, and even view it as part of the game’s charm. So in short, if the remake comes out, I will play it, but at this point I no longer have any enthusiasm for it and honestly, corporate greed can go f itself in the butt. Thanks for keeping these videos coming Luke! Love the content and keep up the great work!
one problem would be that it would directly compete with SWTOR, which already has a resolution to the Revan storyline. It might not be the ending you are looking for, but it is there. Plus to be honest, Disney would be in charge, and I don't trust the house of mouse with creative control. Particularly while Kennedy is still there.
Man getting a remake of KOTOR 2 and a KOTOR 3 would have made me so happy, but whatever happens I will keep an open mind with the Remake. I'm sure the devs are busting their tails on it
All I really want is kotor 1 with controller support. But, if they turn it into a giant open-world action-adventure game with thousands of fetch quests, like lots of modern RPGs, I'm going to do so disappointedly
As someone who has absolutely loved the original KOTOR in its entirety, down to the D&D-esque mechanics, characters, music, I was so disappointed to hear the real reason why Saber Interactive pulled it away from Aspyr. I'm even more disappointed that it was because it wasn't as shiny and as up to date as we've seen with other recent releases. The way that the game was built originally was one of the things that made it miraculous. It made it so literally anyone could play the game, no matter how experienced or inexperienced they were. I'm not happy that Saber took it away, especially now that we had information that Aspyr was going to make it about as perfect as the series could have been. They would have maximized the storylines, provided us with a 3rd game and a more complete version of KOTOR 2 as well. I can account for most of us that it really doesn't matter if it takes even 5 years to develop the first game. We want the quality and care Aspyr was taking to develop a well-made game, that now is going to fall into the category of just any other game. It makes me so disappointed and sad, and I don't feel like I'd play it if it doesn't fall back into the hands of Aspyr Media.
If you personally had to choose the gameplay styles that plays like an Action RPG but still has that KOTOR feel and experience, which inspirations (other games I mean) would you choose?
There are so many ways to go about it. One that would be very interesting, but one that I doubt would be chosen, would be to fully embrace the turn based gameplay with environmental and positional considerations a la Divinity Original sin.
Another would be the hybrid route (which is already kind of what the originals were trying to do), of something like the FF7 remake (as with my previous comment, I know there are other games that one can point to, I'm just going with ones I know). Where you can have active, skill based combat that can be paused to use abilities or items. As for the non combat sections, I hope a stats based system like the originals is kept do that party composition and attributes matter for dealing with the rest of the world.
We have had to wait 20 years already for another KOTOR game. Sony should give ASPYR the time needed to try and perfect what is needed to make KOTOR 3 perfect or as close as. And remasters of KOTOR 1 and 2 should be done as well, as not only will this please die hard KOTOR/star wars fans but even for the studios it will be a massive money maker! KOTOR is a massive series so it should be shown the full respect is does deserve!!
Honestly they might as well just make kotor 3 instead. Hopefully if this game actually comes out it will spark new interest and success which will lead them to create a third title. I just finished my first play though of the first one( I wasn’t alive when the first one came out) and it still is a masterpiece that runs, while not perfect, still pretty good
I have always learned to keep my expectations low for remakes. I almost doubted reality when ff7 remake came out and was as good as it was. God of War 2018 brought new life to the series for me as well. This could be an okay thing. Just depending on what they will do. That being said I understand your exact worries with this decision.
I must say I like Sony’s take on this. I want a game with AAA-style cinematic presentation. It would complement KOTOR’s beautiful storyline and lore very nicely. If they leave the storyline unchanged but change the gameplay and visuals to create an action-adventure-like game, I think that’s a pretty good vision.
The studio that even got the remake to continue was eastern Europe which Portugal is southwestern... not eastern. There's only a few eastern European companies with saber interactive and even less that would work on a remaster in this manor. Also it was the parent company Embracer that decided to make the move over not sony..
If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. Old game is great. This new remake is going to be garbage because even from the get-go they hired someone who said that they hated Star Wars fans and they thought that the community was garbage to be the HEAD of the project. So don’t support this, don’t buy this, don’t even look at this. Don’t even talk about it. It’s going to be awful so avoid it at all costs.
I can get why you could be worried on the no name studio developing a game. But you only have to look at Hogwarts Legacy and see how that game turned out. The company that made that Avalanche made DBZ Sagas. One of the worst DBZ games ever created. It all comes down to how long they let a studio develop a game in my opinion.
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I'm really hoping we get some official updates on the KOTOR Remake this year from Saber... The silence is truly deafening and I think it's time for a little transparency. Come follow me on Twitter for all the updates I receive for the KOTOR Remake when I get them - twitter.com/100PerStarWars
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I agree. I have very little faith in the game at this point because of how poorly it’s been handled as of late.
They where good in destroying the mod that looked much better than any remake so they beter come up with something really good.
@@giovannigio3764 lol that mod looked like garbage
@@BlueMarsalis Game made with a Unreal 4 engine never look garbage.
Apirion did nothing wrong
only way to sum this up. I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Lol, this comment couldn't have been more perfect
you are cultured and must be from a more civilized age
I just want a Star Wars game that is like Hogwarts legacy learning force power choosing dark side and light side, lightsaber making and all that
did i disturb the force lol, well if Kotor remake closely matches the original, I'll be a happy camper.
@@mr.faizqaan2401 Umm, like Kotor?
Honestly. Hearing that the game moved away from Aspyr due to the 'Visual Presentation' is heartbreaking. In game development the actual gameplay is the hardest thing to get right, especially when trying to modernise an older title. Also the loss of a potential KOTOR 3 is just depressing. It's criminal that games as good as KOTOR I & II haven't seen a remake nor received the love they deserve.
The love they deserve? They have been praised ever since they came out and have not been forgotten
@@Deathelement53 I'm not talking about love from the fans. The games are loved but the series hasn't received the love and attention they deserve from the publishers/rights holders. Since KOTOR 2 what have they given to this series besides some ports. There is the MMO but i'd hardly call it a fitting successor. The SWTOR used what KOTOR had built, not because they were interested in KOTOR but because it was an easier starting point than something completely new and could bank the brand recognition an entirely new concept could not.
The closest thing to a fitting continuation IMO is the Mass Effect Trilogy however how many other games have attempted something similar to KOTOR? How can something so good and respected be left to gather dust but the industry? Don't get me wrong, the fans love those games to this day and still work to continue their legacy as they can. Some of those fans worked for Aspyr but in the end, the love of the fans will not deliver what the series deserves without support from the relevant publishers and right's holders which is a huge shame.
I can only hope that one day the rights will fall to the right people who can do it justice and are filling to follow through.
This is disappointing to me as well. If the remake ends up seeing the light of day and it's a mediocre God of War knock off I'm skipping the purchase, no matter how much I loved the originals.
@@gibospartan6185 Let's not even discuss the steam KotoR 1 port...
honestly with the amount of total garbage content Disney has been making my hopes were nonexistent for this remake and turns out that was the right call
The only thing I’ll say on the point of aspyr and the kotor remake is that, wether it’s a good thing or bad thing, they got a whole project taken from them and several people got fired when they showed it to Disney and Sony. That’s pretty shocking.
Lucasfilm loved it. But from my perspective, they got a whole project taken away from them because they tried to make an actual faithful RPG, KOTOR Remake and not Sony's prefered God of War Inspired KOTOR... I know which I'd prefer lol.
@@100StarWars There is only 1 proper AAA rpg being developed now, which is BG3 and before that the closest thing might have been what DA:I? if not then DA:O, fact is the moment this remake got the 70 million dollar budget being a proper RPG was out of the table.
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@@100StarWars I heard it was trying to be like a mix between god of war and nioh. I’m all for changing game formula to fit the modern/current times and to appeal to a wider audience, but personally I wouldn’t want kotor to play like either of those two games let alone a mix. Personally I don’t even like fallen Jedi’s souls like gameplay.
@@fanmovie357 Baldur's Gate 3 is not a proper RPG lmao it's literally just a dating sim, the developers are putting all the effort into pathetic fictional sex for incels and all the fanbase seems to care about is fictional romances. The story and choices are an afterthought.
At this point I’ve given up on the restored content for KOTOR2 on switch. But if Disney is going to have an iron grip going forward on Star Wars games I’m afraid they won’t allow any new remasters of old games. At this point I’d give my left nut for a remaster of all 3 Rouge Squadron games on the switch 😭
Regardless of what happens, the originals can never be taken away
...I mean they could, remember GTA "remakes". You literally CAN'T buy the old version anymore.
Amen.
@@540VarialHunter wookiepedia is fan made lol. Also, all I could find for your drag claims was a star wars drag show, which is not the same thing as making those characters canonically drag. Do you have any sources?
@@540VarialHunter That is sad. Politics shouldn't be a part of entertainment.
Always buy physical instead of digital
It’s good to finally have news, but man it was some BRUTAL news. That KOTOR II remake stuff hit the hardest, as Visas is my favorite SW video game character and I was really hoping a KOTOR II remake could give us some more of her story and raise her profile (and maybe get us a Black series figure).
Yeah, no KOTOR II and III basically means I don't care anymore.
We need every Kotor companion as a black series!!! I would literally cry
Without drew karpyshyn and Chris abellano this will fail
My favorite character in Star Wars video games, and my second-favorite Star Wars character overall is Revan. That is because Revan experienced both the Light and Dark Sides of the Force and found balance between the two. Unlike the Jedi and Sith, Revan is one of only two characters who is truly human. The other character who is truly human is my favorite Star Wars character overall, and that is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.
If we’re talking KotOR II mine is Kreia. She was hands down the most intriguing and well-developed character in that game. Of course my favorite character in the Old Republic era would be Revan, but Kreia is a close second. HK-47 or G0-T0 would wind up 3rd probably, although in my ranking contenders for this place also include Canderous/Mandalore the Preserver, T3-M4, Visas and Bastila.
Honestly, at this point i wouldnt be too upset if they just cancelled it altogether. its so frustrating, im over it😒if they'd have just decided to do a remaster i would have been more than happy.
The game is going to be not what you expected let's be real, even if we just got a remaster of graphics and an improved combat system with a toggle for legacy combat and new 2023 combat, that would just be enough for everyone, but knowing Disney they'll find a way to ruin this and totally go off track and make all the characters LGBTQ etc etc 😂
@@FizzedAye you just wanted to mention the lgbtq for whatever reason. both kotor games have lgbtq characters already.
My view is that when management fails, you should replace the management. I can't imagine how it stings the developers to lose a beloved project because of other peoples mistakes.
Remember: the proof is in the pudding. It is entirely possible that the core gameplay and story, the most critical aspects of KOTOR, were effectively finished by Aspyr already. The rest amounts to the technical nitty gritty, hopefully, which another studio might be better suited to working on. Game development can (and often does) defy expectations. We don't know enough about the situation to be sure one way or another. The time for excited dancing or vehement swearing will come when we watch the trailers and previews, whenever that happens.
Indeed... Time will tell!
I hope you're right!
i mean, of couse it's possible,i just hope that's the case.
The time for excited dancing or vehement swearing should only come when the product is either out, or at the very least in the hand of reputable reviewers, not whenever a corporation has their marketing team picking what to show for maximum appeal.
I swear hearing “god of war gameplay” scares me now just as much as “Netflix adaptation”
Haha, God of War presentation. FF7 Remake gameplay.
@@100StarWars I don’t really get that honestly. The presentation of remake is arguably better with its transitions and in game cutscenes
@100% Star Wars
Could you go in more depth what that means?
Dear God no we don't need a crappy reskinned FFXIII break system with damage sponge bosses as artificial difficulty. Keep the FFVIIR combat away from this game lol
100% Star Wars
3 weeks ago
Haha, God of War presentation. FF7 Remake gameplay
NO
Thank you for keeping us informed, you're our only hope!
"you can't build this game because you are building it as exactly what it always was. We want it to be different with the same name" welp....that kind of kills it for me...I'll stick to the original and with my head cannon of what happened to Revan
As soon as I heard about the remake, I knew that nothing good could come of it. I hate being right.
@@comicsans1689 same here
Yeah, this God of War bullshit got me thinking this game won't even play like an rpg. Just button mashing and quick time events the entire game.
@@nunya_bizniz that's what I'm thinking too
I had my concerns from day one, this Franchise has just been being milked like a cash cow. It feel likes writers don't know what made Star Wars great was the interesting stories it told not the action or the visuals. Revan story was one of the best stories (whether it was KOTOR or SWTOR in my opinion)
Thank you for the Kotor remake news and updates. Here's to hoping for this game to exist!
KOTOR theme songs always make me feel... hollow inside. Beautiful and lonely at the same time.
Especially Bastilla Shan's theme
Totally agree man. Just brings me back to my childhood playing this game home alone
Aspyr's own statement about "updating the story for modern audiences" is what made me fully-disinterested and concerned with their remake.
Any and every time the words "modern audiences" are used; its always just referring to personal-politics being not-so-subtly implemented into the works; existing characters being strawmanned or ruined entirely for the sake of serving the "modern audiences".
Ghost busters 2016
Star Wars sequel trilogy.
Last of Us 2
Mass Effect Andromeda
Borderlands 3
Current expansions for Star Wars: Old Republic mmo.
Halo TV show.
So; if the sources regarding Aspyr treating the remake like an RPG are true; well; thats some good news. While simultaneously; if they were to have followed the trend of what "modern audiences" means; then it would of likely not been Kotor, but a shell of it; probably.
If Saber interactive, or whoever; go the route of God of War: Star Wars edition; well; if it preserves the story; its half a point; at least.
Do we recognize Kotor as a story-only? or is the identity of Kotor also synched to it being an RPG with dice-rolling; real-time turn-based combat?
What "is" kotor?
Personally; I'd like them to just copy-paste the existing story and plot.
But; add onto it. More quests, more sidequests, more this, more that, more more more.
Keep the gameplay.
Real-time turn-based combat; with dice rolls, feats, powers, etc.
But; add feats, improve existing feats, more more more.
Turn what Kotor 2 did for kotor 1, but with the remake, what kotor 12 (or whatever) would look like today.
Improve upon kotor, dont change it.
I mean I get your angle, but Kotor's story needs to be updated. The dialogue could be very silly, immature, and coined for cheesy one liners that worked within the framework of its time and technological limitations.
But I'd like to see presentation above Darth Bandon's comically evil murder of his own sith soldiers, Malak's bullshit laugh and lack of an emotional reaction to his master's return, Trask's "press the A button" dialogue, and the overly lazy conception of the light side as giving all your money to the poor.
This isn't Kotor 2 were talking about with interesting dialogue and nuanced NPCs, this is the first game. Replay it and you'll see how much aspects of the story have aged. Even Carth's "I don't wanna talk about" goes on for too long.
They're going to change HK-47 into a woman. Transgender robots need representation
Best comment on here, you get it man, thinking the rest on here are 'modern audiences' AKA LGBT Leftie weirdos who are out to ruin anything with their make believe ideology.
Still waiting for Kotor 2 to be finished 19 years later.......
Yer and it probably never will be now
9:53 Ow FFS, that has legitimately fucking depressed me. I'm not gonna be able to stop thinking about that now 😭😭😭
KOTOR is such rich and perfect game that doesn’t need to be remade. Just a simple remaster is all that’s needed. Sure, there are some cheesy dialogue in certain moments that don’t really hold weight to the game that could be improved, but that’s it.
Nah, it's aged like milk.
Frankly I'd like them to add back in some of the dropped content. Such as with Juhani.
The story areas are fine the way it is(well yeah, change some of the cheesy dialogue. I agree there lol 😂). However the combat needs to be changed. The auto attack turn based style is very boring overtime. Plus it can get extremely infuriating because sometimes the enemies can easily kill you even if you’re stats are really high. Dude I’m level 20 with a high amount of defense, you should not be able to kill me in three attacks. It’s even worse in SWTOR.
Yeah mostly needs a graphic upgrade maybe a few bug fixes nothing major.
It’s not for us anymore. It’s for the teenagers who want to have the same experience we did back in 2003. This game cannot do that for them anymore.
I've always been skeptical of the idea of 'remaking' KotOR or honestly any iconic piece of art. In order for that to be truly successful, you really need committed creative and leadership teams with a unified vision. The fact that the KotOR remake has essentially been going through several messy divorces due to conflicting visions pretty much erases any hope I have in this being good. Would love to be proven wrong, I just think it's unlikely.
Maybe it's for the best if it never gets remade. It's already a great game as is, it would be a shame if the wrong group of people got their hands on it and started inserting trash that doesn't belong in it.
@@twinkeyrunaway: I agree. It’s extremely rare that remakes live up to the original.
It can work though. I think the Crash Remakes for example are better than the originals.
I wish I didn’t know that little roadmap plan with Kotor 3 cause now I’m sad
:((
That wasn't a little roadmap that was a galaxy map being crushed in our faces
As a portuguese descendent im proud my 2nd nation doing KOTOR, but them devs better not fuck this up
Let's hope they can pull it off haha
When you're remaking something as great as KOTOR, it should be handled with the same care as you would when disarming a bomb. Though to be honest, there is very little in KOTOR that you can improve other than some technical details. KOTOR 2 is the one that can be improved since the game is unfinished even with the restored content mod.
Absolutely.
Honestly even though kotor 2 is unfinished there is a lot more depth of experience to it, the first game in comparison feels very much on the rails. There is a lot you could expand on.
@@sethcooper899 KOTOR 2 may have more thematic depth and it's interesting to see a Star Wars story with a nihilistic tone, but KOTOR 1 handles the companions better and is overall more fun to explore. Compare the first levels for example. When exploring Taris, you get lots of world-building, side quests and character development. But Peragus is just a bland mining facility that has nothing interesting going on.
As for the companions, the only ones KOTOR 2 handles well are Kreia, Visas, Atton and HK-47 (but only if you have the restored content mod). Canderous is only to drive the plot forward, Bao-Dur feels like a discount Juhani, Mical and Brianna are pretty generic, T3 is not that relevant, Mira is just a typical femme fatale and GO-TO is just...there.
Whereas KOTOR 1 gives Revan a meaningful dynamic with each companion. Through side quests and interactions, Bastila gets lots of character development through the romance sub-plot, Revan can become a brother-figure to Mission and thus motivating character growth, Carth, while annoying, has an interesting backstory and serves as a foil to both Bastila and Canderous. Speaking of Canderous, while he's the least developed of the group, the loyalty and trust he forms with Revan is surprisingly believable and we learn a lot about Mandalorian culture from him. Then there's Zaalbar, who manages to separate himself from Chewbacca when it's revealed that he's a banished prince and has to regain his honor. Then there's Juhani, who gives us insight on both the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War due to a tragic past. Jolee Bindo, who appears first to be merely a grumpy old man but bonding with him allows him to shed new light on the Jedi Code, something that can also further Bastila's development. Unlike KOTOR 2, T3 is important to the story in KOTOR 1. And finally, there's HK-47, who I admit is a pretty static character, but he makes up for that by being one of the best comic reliefs in all fiction.
Also, each planet in KOTOR 1 feels like it has its own personality and theme. Similar to how George Lucas always treated new planets in the first six movies. While in KOTOR 2, all the planets have pretty much the same personality and theme aside from Nar Shaddaa.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE KOTOR 2, especially Kreia. But I just feel KOTOR 1 is more emotional and character-driven.
While both Drew Karpyshyn and Chris Avellone are great writers, I think it's clear that Karpyshyn is the bigger Star Wars fan. Karpyshyn essentially did what JJ Abrams tried and failed to do; to make a traditional Star Wars hero's journey without feeling derivative.
The only improvements should be graphically and maybe slight tweaks to the gameplay UI
@@CJR-wv8kc Why only graphics and UI?
What made kotor special was the themes, characters, lore, storytelling, etc. The gameplay (which I still love to this day, but I'm aware that there is nostalgia involved) was built to serve those other aspects, not the other way around. It was an attempt to make RPG's to be more palatable for a console audience back in the day.
Today though? Full on action, turn based or hybrid system RPG's have shown to be very successful. Why not embrace the decade's+ worth of improvements?
The Kotor II and III remake part leaves me really heart broken
Hear that part of the video actually pissed me off
4:48 Makes sense to me. Someone at aspire pissed off someone and they yanked the game away as a result. Simple as a "Oh yeah, watch this".
Just take KOTOR and make it into an Action RPG. That's all we need, just make it into an Action RPG like it should've been in the first place but keep everything else just as it was. KOTOR was good in spite of it's combat mechanics not because of them.
Remaking KOTOR and KOTOR 2 needs to be done with great care as those two games are beloved and deviating too far from what made them special is likely to cause great upset within the fandom. Deviating too far from the source material is one of the things The Last Jedi is criticized for. Personally, I would like to see both KOTOR games updated graphically and any significant changes should happen in obvious places like updating the combat system. They can expand on the dialogue a bit but as long as it remains faithful to its source material it should be ok.
If or when the KOTOR 2 remake is done then I hope that the full game in its entirety is released. As we all know LucasArts forced Obsidian Entertainment to rush development of the sequel leading to an incomplete game being released. Some dedicated fans were able to band together and release the restored content mod which greatly improved the game experience but even after that there was still likely a lot of cut content.
Beyond that, we know that Disney changed the canon storyline beyond Return of the Jedi in order to make their own film trilogy, so it's entirely possible that a KOTOR 3 completely ignoring the events of SW:TOR could happen. A fully faithful remake of the KOTOR games and a third game something similar to what Obsidian envisaged before the projects that they and LucasArts themselves had been working on were canceled, would certainly have a positive impact on the fandom and help the studios laugh all the way to the bank.
Unfortunately we also know from the history of Star Wars that they will inevitably find a way to ruin the good things they make. Let's hope that doesn't happen with the KOTOR remakes.
So what im hearing is that the remake is gonna be like every other new release. Good looking game with no substance. No interesting systems, or anything that make it actually fun. It's gonna have ray tracing and all the stuff they think gamers want. But in the end we will play it for a month and never touch it again. Or worse... REFUND.
one of the tenets of management is to never dampen enthusiasm, and Sony did just that by pulling the game away from Aspyr. the answer should've always been to find trustworthy leadership for the Aspyr developers, and let them continue their work on the game and right their wrongs.
that being said, if Sony's issue with a KOTOR remake was wanting it to be less RPG-like and more action-adventure-like, this is probably a reality which was unavoidable from the moment the project was green lit. can't expect the original developers, who are being given the chance to work on a remake, to do their first build of the game in a style that is anything but what cemented the original as a classic
This really isn’t that big of a deal. Especially if the bulk of the unfinished work is just graphics based on what they took from Aspyr. It’s pretty normal for the bulk of the more detailed and grind work for graphics is often distributed around different teams. I think we all need to take a moment to calm down.
So then, another case of clueless execs messing with stuff they don't understand? This happens all too often
This is such a bummer. I just finished kotor a couple hours ago and it is so special. I have incredibly high expectations for this remake and after learning about aspyrs involvement and subsequent removal from the game, especially for that kotor 3, I’m scared for the future of these games.
Rather just have a remaster of Kotor 1 and 2.
It shouldn’t be complicated
Nah they won't make enough money off of that
Just mod the games yourself tbh
Saw the title and my immediate thought was "what a fucking surprise." Star Wars is irrevocably dead. Disney killed it. I can't have any enthusiasm for "official" star wars products anymore. The only things I can enjoy are certain fan projects and only some of the time because of their variance in quality or the mistaken notion that they somehow need to incorporate shit from the "new canon." George selling the franchise was the biggest mistake he ever made, bigger than his handling of Episode 1, which is saying a lot given the impact that had on the entire franchise going forward.
i keep wondering if the original combat system Aspyr was making was a near replica of Kotor’s original system or something more updated but still tactical like dragon age inquisition maybe?
every time they say “god of war” style i keep thinking of the force unleashed games, not sure how well that would fit with kotor.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake-esque
This is my biggest concern. Like, an action game sounds great on paper... But that could EASILY ruin the core of KotOR, which is the group dynamics.
Revan didn't win the war by himself; He had an assortment of highly capable companions who were each forces to be reckoned with in their own right, each with their own personality, history, and relevance to the plot.
It's the same at the OT really; What makes that trilogy a timeless classic of not just the SW franchise but moviemaking in general, is the characters and their dynamics.
A "god of war" style gameplay would place all the work on Revan (the player) because there's no way in hell they'll be able to design 9 unique companions let alone integrate more than one into combat with you.
@@100StarWars Always makes me throw up in my mouth when someone says that.. KotOR is not an ARPG.
i always do the wait and see approach before i judge something that isn't out yet, but if they can keep most of the core game intact, i think most people will like it.
Fuck it.. I'll remake it myself and call it a mod.
They can't give us the game we want with the right Devs, and they also can't let us enjoy the freaking game through recreations of the game, sad, Disney are Jews
When I first saw that interview I was quite surprised and kinda happy that (if Aspyr was to loose the project anyway) it was coming to a studio in my country. But you are absolutely right. Its never good to take this projects away form people so passionate about our beloved games. I have no idea if the Saber guys love kotor as well or not, but the Aspyr team made actual career choices based on this. Also I was floored to know they were planing to pitch a kotor 3!!! That makes this change really tragic. 😢 Why is K3 so damn cursed! Like you, at this point I can only hope the game at least is going to be good, but we might really once again have been robbed of something great. Why does this keep happening in the industry… god damn it
Aspyr has 0 experience for a full on Kotor remake, they are only known for ports so of course it wasn't going to end well for them, although it is tough to say why they fired a couple of people on this...was the gameplay really bad or was it not woke enough for Disney.
Hearing this just makes me even more sad that Aspyr got robbed of this title by sony... KOTOR is THE definitive RPG, and the fact that Sony decided "no RPG, give me god of war" makes me HATE sony. I just hope this game comes and is decent at this point...
So Sony apparently wanted an action-adventure game like their usual IPs, while Aspyr wanted an RPG? Seems plausible, but still seems odd.
I think the remake will release within the next 3 years, but I have many questions about the quality it might be. The idea of turning a KOTOR remake into a God of War style game seems to go against much of what the original 2 games were. Most people were expecting/wanting a smoother combat system, but not to the point where the RPG elements were gone completely.
The idea that KOTOR 2 and possibly even KOTOR 3 were planned seems strange. Seems like the devs were getting ahead of themselves a bit, but who knows.
Sony may have made a huge mistake with how they handled this, but we might never know what actually happened for a long time. I hate it when publishers mess with the devs' vision for the sake of making things more mainstream. KOTOR may be a part of a mainstream, well-known franchise, but KOTOR is rather unique within the Star Wars franchise IMO. The fact that a KOTOR remake of all things has been fumbled this badly up to this point paints everything in a terrible light.
While I’m still worried. There were some writers while it was still under Aspyr bragging about all the changes they were gonna make and they didn’t really seem to respect or care about the source material either. Doesn’t seem like the remake is heading in a good direction regardless because Sony doesn’t want a remake of KOTOR they want God of War: A Star Wars story. I hope it’s good when it comes out but the more meddling by higher ups and investors I think the less likely that is. Most likely they’ll be heavily reliant on nostalgia and not improved gameplay/graphics with similar story and choice narratives
Aw man, hearing about their passions and love for the project and then just being tossed aside really made me sad
I usually keep expectations low, that way I can get positively surprised should they pull it off
But man, this was some dire news.
I feel deeply sorry for those folks :( i was not a great fan of the sony exclusivity … but i never thought the remake was in bad hands with aspyr.
Thanks for the update man!! If the combat style is going to be changed(for the better) then I’m fine with that. obviously I want the characters and quests to be well written, but still I want the combat style to be entertaining. I’m not crazy about the combat from KOTOR & SWTOR. I really hope this remake will be successful.
You and me both brother.
@@100StarWars also I hope that this new company will pick up aspyrs(I probably spelled that wrong) ideas in making a KOTOR 3. I agree, I feel bad for Aspyr. I wish they were able to fulfill their dream in remaking the full trilogy
man whatttt i love the turn based combat, reminds me a lot of morrowind or fallout
The combat is a huge part of what defines the Kotor experience. It's a different product otherwise. It's like trying to turn Uncharted into a turn-based shooter. Doesn't work. You can't turn Kotor into Jedi Academy. Kotor is Kotor..
@@SpectreStatus Actually giving KOTOR The outcast and Academy combat would be fantastic. I think “uncharted turn-base” is a bit of an extreme example here. The main charm of KOTOR(like 95%) is the characters, dialogue and story. However in this case Changing the combat of this game will not remove any of the charm. Actually a lot of times the combat of the original game was really bizarre in certain scenes(prime example is the Bastila fight)
This is microsofts chance to pick this up, hopefully
I watched the interview and can garantee that they are working in it but aren't the only ones. He talks a lot about how the game development in a large scale (not only kotor) is a colaboration of people in in various places. He also talks that they are involved in 4 projecs, Kotor, a dakar DLC, and 2 others.
By the way he speaks I can't tell if they are the "leader" team in the developpent or are making small parts of the game.
But he says that "this project isn't ours, it is a project that saber is... That Sony bringed (to us). And by the nature of the development ~~ pause~~ in the saber group, that has a great number of studios, a part of the of the people that are working in this project are here in Vila ( can't understand ). And we are very proud of this."
I'm brasilian, By the way.
I really appreciate the added clarification!
@@100StarWars cool. If you need more detail, feel free to ask. The rest of the video is him talking about the developer scene in Portugal and not realy relevant. And sorry for my poor english.
The more I hear about this, the more I don't want it to happen. Star Wars has been in the hands of the enemy since 2012 and they've done nothing but tear it to pieces ever since. They should keep their hands off KOTOR. If what you've said in a previous video about Calo Nord and Saul Karath being regendered is true, that's a strong sign that they're going to crap all over it. The KOTOR II and III plan would have excited me had the Disney buyout and EU decanonization not happened. Just leave KOTOR alone!
I'm so sick of AAA studios...
As a developer, I do not even consider jobs for any of them.
I really, REALLY hope that Saber reaches out to Aspyr to get some proper collaberation
kotor is a cursed franchise ... so much potential which is never realized
Personally, I believe that if the story doesn't change too much and add better combat gameplay, maybe add in some of the combat style from the "jedi knight" series, them it'll be praised and it'll do justice by the fans. Raise the level cap above 20 as well lol.
I've only played Kotor I and II a handful of times at my friend's house when I was a kid, but now I have them on my phone so it's like a child hood dream come true lol
8:15 alright THAT right there has me worried because literally the best games I dont care about how visually it looks the story is what got me I mean the first kotor for example how alot of NPCs had faces that didn't move in the dialog and some did, I didn't care the story and characters were incredible... this just means the game is probably going to be short as hell.... they did the same thing with battlefront, spent so much time making it visual eye candy but gave us 4 maps to start... as opposed to the vast things you could do in the original battlefront 2 not to mention the campaign
In other words, fuck big corporations that ONLY do it for the paycheck
The game was VERY big. So no worries there.
@@100StarWars which one the original KOTOR or original battlefront 2?
The Remake. I was told the Scale was actually potentially too ambitious at times.
@@100StarWars oh I getcha, alright that's good cause I have been itching for a truly open world game
It's gonna be a good day! For KotOR remake and Sabre!
I sincerely hope so anyway...
Its criminal how we’ve gotten no official news or updates yet. I wonder now if we’ll even get one this year lmao
Sony is right the KOTOR remake should be made like a god of war style cenamatic game 3rd person real time combat akin to the Jedi Knight games. but with RPG elements.
It is supposed to be a REMAKE not a REMASTER - SABER's space marine II is almost finished so art teams and story teams can already move on to KOTOR II - as you already said they collaborated with the story teams.
Wow, the worst take i've seen here.
Sony has enough visual Diarrhea in their catalogue of games. It's one thing I actually hate about the action adventure genre of games (especially Sony). One thing I liked about Kotor is the unique environments that you could just take time to admire (especially Manaan).
One thing I didn't want this game to be is an action adventure with OTT jumping attacks with an endless amount of visuals and colour on the screen. (sounds like what they are going for judging by your source).
Personally I was hoping for something of a cross between Mass Effect and Fallen Order in terms of gameplay.
Hope is slowly fading for this game unfortunately.
“Sony took the remake away from Aspyr because it was an RPG and not a cinematic action adventure game like God of War.”
This is exactly the opposite of what all KOTOR fans want…
I'm just glad remake still exists literally been waiting over 20 years for it......if they can build on what aspire did then it should be fantastic....so many people love star wars I'm sure there are passionate people on that team as well
So you mean to tell me Sony were unhappy with the fact that the kotor remake.. a remake of one of the greatest rpgs ever.. looked like an rpg remind me again what moron thought it would be a good idea to have them be involved
More rumours about 2 legendary games that will never be remastered or remade as these companies give people hope then they take that hope away what is the point of advising a game that will never come out these rumours have been going around for the last 5yrs if not longer it's beginning to be beyond the joke now
I can probably never fully comprehend how such a chaotic level of mismanagement for a franchise like Star Wars could ever happen and why. What is everybody trying to do anymore?? You don’t have to like Star Wars, either, to know something about this stuff is just mind boggling, it’s unheard of, as far as I know (outside of Post-Disney Star Wars, of course). Regarding KOTOR, just give it modern day graphics, that’s literally all that should be done and it’s a simple, reasonable enough request. Or if you wanna try and speak a certain language to get your wish across, then how about saying rereleasing KOTOR with modern graphics, if not to also give the devs the opportunity to truly complete their games, is a massive chance to make tons of sales to the current generation. Again, what is everybody trying to do anymore?
I really hope that all Saber does is make the visual experience as good as possible without touching the core game and story Aspire was crafting. It probably would've been better if Sony just brought in a visual art director with his own crew to join Aspire and solely work on upgrading the graphics and visual tone. But they'd be working directly with the Aspire team to understand the story and themes that are meant to be conveyed and influence the visual story telling. I hope Saber does well.
I don’t understand why game developers are so against turn based RPGs….. don’t get me wrong I played the shit out of FF7 remake part 1. I platinum’d that game. But even still I would have preferred a version that was more faithful to the turn based system of first 10 final fantasy’s. The original KOTOR while still turn based was also action oriented too almost like Star Ocean and first Chrono Trigger. You can move your characters around on the battlefield enemies are on the screen so you can avoid them if you wanted. That’s different from random battles like in FF games. Not every game has to play uncharted, god of war, last of us, ff7 remake, devil may cry…. Faster pace doesn’t always mean better. Please slow a game down a bit and let us bask in the game play and soak up all the fun and immersion. An I if I didn’t hear HK calling humans “meatbags” and wanting to kill them an enjoying it I’ll be sad…. Even though I rejected the characters behavior I still found the dialogue amusing and enjoyed turning him around to some degree.
one thing ill say as a portuguese national. you are either gonna get the best remake you ever could have gotten, or their work is gonna get cut off mid way by execs. trust me. and expect a bit of bugs, not game braking though. probably funny bugs will be left in xD.
and as a big star wars fan id say, i wouldnt honestly be mad at "god of war kotor edition" if they at least did the story justice, which in my opinion is the important part. the gameplay in kotor is insanly clunky. id like to compare it with the witcher 1 and the witcher 3, that is what id like to see comparetively to kotor and kotor remake.
well lets take a sec to look at the makers of hogwarts legacy they had never made a game like that before but look at the game it broke the record for single player games just because they dont have a record of makeing games like this dosent mean they cant do it plus im srry makeing a remake is easier then makeing one from scratch
Just remember-
We will always have the originals and the restored counter mods x
My biggest concern is that if what you're saying about the Aspyr fellas having a genuine heartfelt love of the KOTOR games is true, then what we're now getting - potentially - is a bunch of bozos who have genuine apathy for it and don't care how much they change things. I hope I'm wrong - I really REALLY hope I'm wrong - but palming it off to some other mob when so much work has already been done, and the words "god of war" being put in the same sentence as "KOTOR" have me bloody worried mate
Is that Batu Rem?
@Angeli Giacomo Rem’s no assassin
I'm actually not worried about this it is bad that aspyr lost it due to management mishandling stuff but it happens I think saber has potential even if it's a division that has nothing major under it's belt some of the best games come from nameless studios it's also possible that they sent the game to there just to say it's being worked on to keep people happy whilst they finish up there major projects or reallocate some resources to work on it
at this point itll never happen if only there was a way to upgrade graphics on the originals and keep the content was wayyyy to excited to see apeiron they were doing a fantastic job
damn, it's got to be so sad for them right now.. I feel so sorry for Aspyr
Hey man! Just watched your end of the year revan video and you mentioned you were having a hard time. I hope you're doing better man! I love this video and I love your work. Keep your head up man! Take care!
Dude, thank you so much for your hard work in gathering the information on this remake and sharing it with us. It's nice to gain some insight into the behind-the-scenes turmoil that has gone on since the beginning of this period of radio silence that we've been in for half a year now.
Your channel is seriously awesome and your efforts do not go unnoticed - keep up the great work! 😁
Unfortunately, I’m not surprised. I kind of lost faith in the companies on making good Star Wars Contant.
If they’re already planning a Kotor 2 and 3 maybe they can use that opportunity to retell the entire story and give Revan a proper, honourable ending.
Was the plan to my knowledge.
@@100StarWars Only prep KOTOR III in the previous game, 1&2 are not to be meddled with
I do hope they incorporate the Revan novel then into a kotor 3. I loved that book. I thought his dialogue with scourge was really well written and interesting.
I really hope that happens (speaking of what happens after KOTOR 2, the original games' story should not me messed with), and i honestly would prefer, if KOTOR 3 was to happen, that they do it first, and then the remakes of 1 and 2.
@@fatnakedjimmyneutron I think you’re one of the few that really liked that novel
Ruh Roh Shaggy. Kotor Remake News. Spooked at the idea of the game not being good.
LOL
a great video man, thanks for the info. i'd like to add that we all need to tone down our expectations of kotor remake(s) by A LOT. it just WON'T be a game we all as a community deserve. It would be a disaster, the only variable is the level of disaster - a gta trilogy kind of disaster or a lighter version. It's pessimistic I know, but considering all we know about the game dev't so far - the probability of having a good remake is soooooooooooooo low. :(
Being portuguese, and haven studied game development for a while. I can assure you it will be worked on properly. We are leading in computer programming in europe. I can also assure we have great artists in 3D art working throughout the country. I hope this saber company does a good job
Saber Interactive: "I'm sorry, Revan, but it seems that the remake is not going as well as we hoped..."
Revan: "Meh, don't worry. I'm sure they'll, at least, pay me and my crew if we agree to make a guest appearance on a "Duck Dodgers" episode."
Saber Interactive: "That series ended two decades ago"
Revan: "Really? Damn, you really miss a lot while being in suspended animation..."
Until we see trailers and Kotor remake gameplay this is all. A matter of speculation.
Wise.
Just give it to Obsidian with Chris Avellone as main writer even it it means to be Xbox exclusive.
Its such a shame that so many potentially legendary and loved games are ruined and destroyed by corporate greed.
Honestly at this point, I am not even sure I want a remake.
If you would have asked me a year ago, I’d have said, “hell yes!”
But as I have been playing it more recently, I have realized once again just how much I love it. And the problems that I had with the game, like clunky combat and outdated ai, I have found I am able to look past, and even view it as part of the game’s charm.
So in short, if the remake comes out, I will play it, but at this point I no longer have any enthusiasm for it and honestly, corporate greed can go f itself in the butt.
Thanks for keeping these videos coming Luke!
Love the content and keep up the great work!
one problem would be that it would directly compete with SWTOR, which already has a resolution to the Revan storyline. It might not be the ending you are looking for, but it is there.
Plus to be honest, Disney would be in charge, and I don't trust the house of mouse with creative control. Particularly while Kennedy is still there.
"You didn't think it was gonna be that easy did you?"
Man getting a remake of KOTOR 2 and a KOTOR 3 would have made me so happy, but whatever happens I will keep an open mind with the Remake. I'm sure the devs are busting their tails on it
Open minds are the best minds ;)
All I really want is kotor 1 with controller support. But, if they turn it into a giant open-world action-adventure game with thousands of fetch quests, like lots of modern RPGs, I'm going to do so disappointedly
As someone who has absolutely loved the original KOTOR in its entirety, down to the D&D-esque mechanics, characters, music, I was so disappointed to hear the real reason why Saber Interactive pulled it away from Aspyr. I'm even more disappointed that it was because it wasn't as shiny and as up to date as we've seen with other recent releases. The way that the game was built originally was one of the things that made it miraculous. It made it so literally anyone could play the game, no matter how experienced or inexperienced they were. I'm not happy that Saber took it away, especially now that we had information that Aspyr was going to make it about as perfect as the series could have been. They would have maximized the storylines, provided us with a 3rd game and a more complete version of KOTOR 2 as well. I can account for most of us that it really doesn't matter if it takes even 5 years to develop the first game. We want the quality and care Aspyr was taking to develop a well-made game, that now is going to fall into the category of just any other game. It makes me so disappointed and sad, and I don't feel like I'd play it if it doesn't fall back into the hands of Aspyr Media.
If you personally had to choose the gameplay styles that plays like an Action RPG but still has that KOTOR feel and experience, which inspirations (other games I mean) would you choose?
There are so many ways to go about it.
One that would be very interesting, but one that I doubt would be chosen, would be to fully embrace the turn based gameplay with environmental and positional considerations a la Divinity Original sin.
Another would be the hybrid route (which is already kind of what the originals were trying to do), of something like the FF7 remake (as with my previous comment, I know there are other games that one can point to, I'm just going with ones I know). Where you can have active, skill based combat that can be paused to use abilities or items.
As for the non combat sections, I hope a stats based system like the originals is kept do that party composition and attributes matter for dealing with the rest of the world.
We have had to wait 20 years already for another KOTOR game. Sony should give ASPYR the time needed to try and perfect what is needed to make KOTOR 3 perfect or as close as. And remasters of KOTOR 1 and 2 should be done as well, as not only will this please die hard KOTOR/star wars fans but even for the studios it will be a massive money maker! KOTOR is a massive series so it should be shown the full respect is does deserve!!
Dude Aspyr got fetching robbed to me it sounds like they made a really good RPG kinda of sad we won't get to play there version now
I feel very bad for them lol
Two of my absolute favourite games in the RPG genre (Bloodlines 2 and KotOR Remake) are suffering Development Hell. It’s a tough spot.
Honestly they might as well just make kotor 3 instead. Hopefully if this game actually comes out it will spark new interest and success which will lead them to create a third title. I just finished my first play though of the first one( I wasn’t alive when the first one came out) and it still is a masterpiece that runs, while not perfect, still pretty good
If they really do this I hope that they take the time they need especially on the second one and hopefully put the originally cut content into it
As soon as you said Kotor 2 remake and then Kotor 3 my heart sank 😭
Yer that's when I actually started to get pissed off
I have always learned to keep my expectations low for remakes. I almost doubted reality when ff7 remake came out and was as good as it was. God of War 2018 brought new life to the series for me as well. This could be an okay thing. Just depending on what they will do. That being said I understand your exact worries with this decision.
I must say I like Sony’s take on this. I want a game with AAA-style cinematic presentation. It would complement KOTOR’s beautiful storyline and lore very nicely.
If they leave the storyline unchanged but change the gameplay and visuals to create an action-adventure-like game, I think that’s a pretty good vision.
The studio that even got the remake to continue was eastern Europe which Portugal is southwestern... not eastern. There's only a few eastern European companies with saber interactive and even less that would work on a remaster in this manor.
Also it was the parent company Embracer that decided to make the move over not sony..
If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. Old game is great.
This new remake is going to be garbage because even from the get-go they hired someone who said that they hated Star Wars fans and they thought that the community was garbage to be the HEAD of the project. So don’t support this, don’t buy this, don’t even look at this. Don’t even talk about it. It’s going to be awful so avoid it at all costs.
I can get why you could be worried on the no name studio developing a game. But you only have to look at Hogwarts Legacy and see how that game turned out. The company that made that Avalanche made DBZ Sagas. One of the worst DBZ games ever created. It all comes down to how long they let a studio develop a game in my opinion.