I kinda wanna believe that Jose was sent out to study so he could prove to Philemon that he could be a velvet attendant. Although I’m sure Atlus would never do that
@@Grey-i2o yeah, but all the evidence that supports the Elizabeth theory can just as easily be used for any of the other God-like beings other than Igor.
I actually think that's a big clue that "he" Jose talks about might be Maruki. They both have the ability to change cognition. You fight Jose in Maruki's control room. Jose reacts to the flowers from Maruki's section (though negatively). He may be an attendant or a pseudo-attendant FOR Maruki but unable to fulfill his role properly due to the Velvet Room being captured.
@@PissedGrunty or hell maybe even Akechi, it would make sense considering he never practiced the ability and Akechi is the only one (between Maruki and Akechi) who can wield multiple personas
honestly I thought Jose was gonna have a reveal that he was related in some form to Maruki for some reason when I got to Mementos in the Third Semester, especially when he started getting disgusted at the flowers in the new area
My idea is that Jose is a Velvet attendent in training; he has the gray hair, yellow eyes, and is has some kind connection to the main dungeon of the game.
I am certain than Jose is related to sophia in striker both of them are all white both of them only live in the metaverse both of them are using toys to fight a plastic hamer for jose and yoyo for sophia Jose never really reveal why he study human and for who he work but based on striker trealer we know that sophia is an IA maybe jose research end up helping in her creation? Also fun fact both of them ave mistook Morgana for a tanouki .. Enniway im sure they are related in a way
@@luthiamoonlightfrqc2905 I mean, if you take the Gnostic mythology then Sophia is the true god of that mythology. Sophia created and sealed the Demiurge away and in turn the Demiurge (Or Yaldabaoth I guess would also be correct) created the world and mankind. If I look at it from that angle maybe this Sophia (I haven't played Strikers) might have been curious as to what he creation created and send a little helper out to the world of the Demiurge. Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
@@luthiamoonlightfrqc2905 Nope. Royal and Strikers are 2 different timeliness. Also Sophia was created by Ichinose while Jose’s creation is unknown. I’m guessing he has to do with Philemon and the Velvet Room attendants.
Elizabeth tasks Jose to bring her 100 colas and Jose goes to mementos to accomplish that task, only to run into Joker and spark his curiosity in mankind.... that might explain why flowers turn into drinks, he’s sampling them to see if they’re cola flavored....
Nah, with enough time passing they are guaranteed to get a remake especially with the series getting bigger and bigger. I just hope that they don't force social links into them, kinda wouldn't fit these 2.
I actually want to know what Jose says in Japanese when he refers to this "he". I personally think he talks about Philemon, teasing a possible P6 return.
Personally, I think that there will be two Velvet Room attendants again. Both Jose and Theodore. Philemon can't come back unless nyar nyar comes back and the series developers basically said that the Velvet Room attendants are Philemon's children in the same way the Entity based villains are parts of Nyar Nyar in 3-5.
I am certain than Jose is related to sophia in striker both of them are all white both of them only live in the metaverse both of them are using toys to fight a plastic hamer for jose and yoyo for sophia Jose never really reveal why he study human and for who he work but based on striker trealer we know that sophia is an IA maybe jose research end up helping in her creation? Also fun fact both of them ave mistook Morgana for a tanouki .. Enniway im sure they are related in a way
@@Heekfull Well, they have to awaken their Persona's as well, at least I'm pretty sure thats the case, I remember reading about failed anti shadow weapons who were unable to awaken a persona.
The funny thing about Jose is that if he really is a reference to Pinocchio, that story is a great example of how you can see The Fool's Journey in fiction. They might be looking to expand the literary references since they're drying the Frankenstein well.
Its confirmed by the creators through the interview that Jose is a reference of Pinocchio. The female residents of the Velvet Room names are based on the original Shelly novel, while the male residents Igor and Theodore names were based on real life/movie characters in other literary materials of Frankestein. Jose's name, according to one of the search is the name of the actor whom portrayed Frankenstein in one of the films, or from a real like figure, MK Joseph, whom edited the original Shelly novel to the modern literature.
Igor is training his velvet room attendants young so they won't have to leave the velvet room and somehow end up falling for the MC because he gets pretty lonely all by himself in the velvet room with no one to talk to.
I'm kinda late, but i have recently finished p5r and i noticed one thing that a lot of people seem to overlook -- the cocept of Jose learning about humans by drinking juice from flowers. What other creature drinks juice from flowers...? The butterfly of course! So this thing makes me almost 100% certain that he is connected to the velvet room and most likely to philemon himself in some way.
Plot twist; Jose is an emmisary of door-kun, similar to morgana, helping door-kun turn human again. By consuming stars and flowers he is slowly being brought back to earth
Hey Fither!! Amaizng video loved the theories. Something that stuck out to me that you may have missed is after you beat Jose he says this. "Just remember, there are more folks observing humankind than you might realize" very interesting piece of dialogue.
As I played Royal, I grew to the theory that Jose was created and sent by Philemon to watch over the will of humanity. The biggest thing about that for me is Philemon's whole butterfly motif, and Jose drinks the flowers from Mementos, almost like how a butterfly drinks nectar from a flower. Combine that with his existence in Mementos, the palace of everyone's souls, on top of him being sent by someone that's unknown to the cast AND the players, and that's the only thing I can think of that really fits Jose. On the topic of that theory, I also believe that, if he was created by Philemon, then he might become a replacement for Igor in future Persona games, since Atlus isn't too keen on using a character whose voice actor has passed. Igor was created by Philemon, last I recalled, so it would make sense that another creation of his would take over the duty of watching over humanity and the Velvet Room.
@@SenhorKoringa portuguese commes from Portugal And it is not becouse of brazilians but becouse of Portugals colonialization era in japan. This can be proven in p3 where the teacher asks what food isnt japanese and you awser portuguese food
Maybe Jose was a velvet room trainee banished from the velvet room by yaldaboth and had his memories wiped, but still retained his instinct to learn about humanity. Then maybe the person he made the promise to was Philemon since after P2 he can’t really interfere with humanity. Plus, it would explain the wish Star and being able to change cognition.
I liked one theory I heard on Reddit. Jose is a broken part of Philemon that is trying to learn about humans in an effort to reform as normal Philemon. But that was on a thread about how Edogawa was Philemon, so I don't know if it's that likely. But it was a good read though.
I think Jose is an attendant to Nyarlathotep. He's got a light grey outfit on that matches a little too well with the new section of mementos, which has a bunch of eldritch looking shadows wandering around, and the star motif fits in with the cosmic themes of Lovecraft's works. Not a ton of evidence I know, but this is my own crackpot theory. I think it's a little better than the theory of him being Maruki's future son I've seen floating around.
@@mikhielbluemon4213 except philamon is split up among the attendants, and all attendants have that nice blue color or butterfly motif to harken back to blue butterfly Philly. Neither of which jose has, what he can do is alter cognition including shadows, which is something in nyarlys wheelhouse
@@HovektheArtist Also, besides Lavenza, none seems to be able to use the butterfly. And we know that they can wear things besides their uniforms and that they can make shadows into attendants (Example: Marie who's half of Izanami).
@@mikhielbluemon4213 they can make shadows into a type of attendant but they are still specifically different from the other attendants, such as marie and Morgana. In fact marie has more in common with the artist from p1 and 2 because they are the only velvet room denizens that can copy skill cards.
To me I always thought Jose is a velvet room attendant in training. 1, we know he's not human because he refers to the cast as human. 2, He has the same golden eyes and white hair as most residents of the velvet room. 3, He mentions someone "training him" that someone most likely being Igor. And 4, Like with all residents of the velvet room his name is actually a reference to Marry Shelly's Frankenstein much like Igor and Theodore, caroline , justine, magret. I guess he just hasn't earned his blue colors yet, maybe he will be the resident in P6
It's really nice having a mystery like this cause as you said stuff usually just gets answered eventually or with some level of certainty, kinda makes me wonder what's going in the rest of the Persona world while this was 5/Royal was going on. It's also just cool to have something to think about as the days go by after beating this game. Haven't really gotten that too often
There is also the chance that Jose in a god or avatar. After you fight him, he says something like he understands now why the "others" can't leave humanity alone, so that person may very well be a different god that will appear next. I mean, changing mementos is not an easy feat.
I believe he was created by Philemon to study the state of humanity to either prevent or prepare for Nyarlaphotep if he ever returns. That would make sense since Philemon hasn’t effected the Persona games directly since when he did P2 happened. That could mean that P6 might have Nyarlaphotep as the Antagonist.
If nyarly returns philemon returns and vice versa, so as long as nobody mass fuses the attendants into philemon, then we will keep getting lesser aspects of papa nyarly
If he was a Velvet resident, his name would be a reference to Frankenstein media! I haven't figured out what that reference is, but some day we'll find out!
Theory one is probably the most possible because there's a theory that Elizabeth sent Jose to explore mementos and help the phantom thieves change everyone's heart so they could stop wishing for death because in P3 the answer it shows that Erabes or the entity from people who are wishing for death, trying to get rid of the great seal (Minato) and reunite with nyx and cause the end of the world, so that's why Elizabeth wants everyone's hearts to change so that Minato doesn't have to be the great seal.
He reminds me so much of Emporio from Stone Ocean because they both are weird kids with unknown origins trying to use their bizarre powers to help the first groups of people they immediately encounter
@@sixx5043 Actually, yes. He's not from the original Frankenstein, but a character named Theodore does exist in a book called The Ghost of Frankenstein.
Interesting because his name does mean Yahweys will rises,gods rising will, rising will, or just god will rise. Interesting when he shows up in the game about the rise of 2 different demiurges
@@sixx5043 Theodore may be either named after the character Dr. Theodore Bohmer from the film Ghost of Frankenstein or named after Theodor Richard Edward von Holst, the first illustrator of the novel in 1831.
His eyes just scream “Velvet Room attendant” to me, but I’ve always thought he is a rogue attendant that left to be able to study human stuff. Don’t got much else besides that. But I love his aesthetic with the stars and moons, reminds me of the star seeker keyblade from Kingdom Hearts
I hope it's just a part of an overarching story of Elizabeth's journey that builds up to an Endgame type final battle, but if I'm being honest if we get Persona Q3 after Persona 6 releases, then it's going to be just a little bit of a big cast.
Maybe for Persona Q3 it can just be the P1, P2, and P5 along with P6’s cast. I just say this since P1&2 cast hasn’t been explored in the Q series and that the P3&4 cast has been in it two times, so just let P5 get their second and we’re good. But I don’t care if they add everyone, though they would have to make it separate routes for them(more of you play with the P6 cast, but have to chose one or two of the other casts to play it, the remaining characters just go for a separate route and meet up at the end of the game).
I'm so glad you're making Royal videos. I was kind of bummed out that some of my favorite content creators had kinda moved on from Persona and it's cool to hear your takes on Royal.
I feel like if Jose would have been an Angel there would have been more notices/clues/possibility personality change given how Angels tend to act (Both in Megami Tensei games and in most books about them) Alien maybe lol
I also kind of just assumed he was an alien because of the way he looked and how he's themes with stars and such I do understand why he's being compared to a velvet attendant, but even the attendants look human with hair made of hair and ear shaped ears It would also make sense on why he's curious about humans and why we don't see the person he promised to
I never thought too hard about it. He isn't human, but is kinda fanboying humans. Even his appearance points to this. How it looks mostly human but has some details that make it clear he is only emulating humanity. I figure he is a kind of spirit child. Higher in the pecking order than a shadow but doesn't have a specific allegiance yet. That the test he is undergoing is set to help guide him down the path to finding himself. As to Morgana...he was made as a last minute creation to help Joker. He wasn't intended to be Joker's guide until Yaldabaoth walled off the Velvet Room. So of course his knowledge is spotty. The game itself makes it clear there are weird holes in Morgana's knowledge for most of it.
One way to look at is that Jose is a creation of Mementos itself, a way for the collective unconscious to study itself. Still want a Demifiend or Seraph superboss... maybe once modding becomes a thing.
personally, i think Jose might be talking about Philemon. Philemon must of known about velvet room getting taken over by yaldabaoth and sent someone to keep an eye on joker and mementos. He does give you the wishing star while saying 'he almost forgot' and that he want's to 'give you something' (if i remembered correctly).
What if Nyarlathotep is making his own variation of the Velvet Room, with it's own attendants and such. Making this egg-headed bundle of cute for dastardly purposes would jive with his sense of humor, I think.
The most common theory about Jose is that he is working with Elizabeth and he is part of the quest she's on, if you've ever played the Persona 4 Arena games. Jose did mention that there's lots of others like him researching humans and I get the feeling that him being able to change cognition in Mementos is while what he does in the game seems like beginners steps, but I think he's slowly learning how to fully change cognition in a place like Mementos so that he can use this ability to change people's cognition into not subconsciously wishing for death anymore. Has this been confirmed? No. But I like to think that we'll get answers to Jose in a Persona 5 Arena game.
I think he could be the son of Philemon, and that after screening things up with the Tatsuya and the persona 2 cast Philemon sent Jose to keep an eye on joker for some reason
I like the idea that he was sent out by Philemon for whatever reason. Considering they both have an interest and positive outlook towards humans. I like to think that maybe (building off the idea that Philemon for whatever reason couldn’t do shit about YB taking over the Velvet Room), Jose was his way of being a way to assist humanity without directly interfering. Am I putting to much faith in the idea that Philemon is still part of the Persona canon? Yeah but idc
Lowkey hope we get "siblings" (other gray haired folks with space motifs) with similar functions in future games Like different people were sent to study people in different regions or something
I like your theory that he’s Pinocchio. I actually equated him with another literary figure from children’s books. I think Jose is, or at least based on, the Little Prince. I never actually read the book, and I vaguely remember an anime series based on it that I watched as a child, but it was about a boy who lived alone on a tiny planet who had a lot of curiosities about humans and would often come and visit earth. I think he had some strange powers, and stars were a motif, and I think the book had an unnamed first person protagonist that might be the person Jose is referring to.
I think he is the love child of Elizabeth and Door, it just adds up so much in my head and gives doors death a death and rebirth vibe. Unless Elizabeth had manage to get her job done using wish fulfilment powers. Kid will grow so op.
If he really has ties to Philemon, and if that means Philemon would make a full on comeback in a future Persona game, but not as just a butterfly like in 3 & 4, that would kind of blow my mind.
I think Jose's being set up as a replacement for Igor, and his "master" is Philemon. Igor's Japanese VA has been dead for years and they don't like recasting people in Japan, with them only doing so in P5 because of Yaldy. They can't keep reusing the same 7 Igor lines for the rest of time.
It kinda doesn’t make sense? Why can’t they recast some random dude to play Igor? In Danganronpa they were able to replace Monokumas Japanese Va with someone else. It wouldn’t be to hard.
@@Little_Eris Its not a "can't", but a choice to respect the old VA. But then in P5, they already did replace the voice and weaved it into the story, so...
@@Little_Eris Also, I'm pretty sure Monokuma's voice actress going inactive rather than outright dying at least gave Spike Chunsoft leeway to replace her without outright getting rid of Monokuma
In terms of other Shadows being special there is also Metis in the Answer. As much as people hate it and some people may not even know about it Metis is integral to the plot. She is confirmed to be Aigis' shadow and she definitely has a will of her own. I also thought maybe Philemon was the one who tasked Jose due to Philemon also being interested in humanity to an extent as well as his will to see humanity succeed so a creature granting wishes and needing to learn about human would probably help Philemon quite a bit.
I always find it interesting there's "Shadow-Adjacent" characters in this. I wonder what other ways they could do this. Like what if "Mothman" became a fuckin' mascot?
See I didn't think he was a new attendant, I always thought he was made by Elizabeth herself to gather information to help her with her quest to ease Door-Kun's Pain Also I was gonna say that the name Jose could be a reference to Pinocchio, in that Jose could be Spanish for Joseph, which can be then be linked to Geppetto, however I feel like it could be too obscure and more of a coincidence?
I think he is more evidence of the attendants being of Philemon's kids. Sure he is also Pinnochio, but things he said implied Philemon might be coming back.
That is an interesting idea. The Velvet Room hasn’t been breached like this before, as far as we’re aware. That’s exactly the kind of thing you’d think Philemon would come back to check out, since I’m fairly certain he’s the one that created the Velvet Room.
@@samk4480 there is a reason he can't. At the end of persona 2 game 2, Philemon had to retreat into the recesses of the collective human subconscious along with nyarlathotep. It has been established that the villains of Persona 3 4 and 5, with the exception of Maruki and Izanami are fragments of Nyar. The reason for this being they were both so severely weakened by trying to war over two versions of the human world at once that they could no longer directly interfere except for as save points and sources of power. However, if Philemon was able to interfere in the form of a Velvet Room attendant, or in the case of royal , Jose that would track.
That being said, if they both come back it does mean that we might see the Persona 1 and Persona 2 cast possibly make a return for the second, given how close it a big anniversary for the franchise is to coming up.
We've also established that, at least as of the end of Royal, the temporary restriction were only kids and the villains could use personas please mute. Maruki isn't a villain, he's an antagonist. This means that the Persona 1 and Persona 2 cast, late middle age and early middle age respectively at this point in the timeline could potentially get their powers back. Again, tying into the big anniversary. We also know that Persona 3 and 4 cast still have their powers as well
Tiny little detail with Joses menu, when you switch to "cognition" and animation plays out where he swings his hammer, nearly hitting Joker, but Joker ducks and I think it's just a really cute little detail.
@@braxtonwalden8365 he's jsut a good bean. Both Jose and Joker, adorable interactions and in so glad atlus went out of their way to do all that. It's so cute
José also has a cut scene where he goes to the flowers shop where Joker can work! Again it is cut but the initial intention was that he was going to be outside sometimes like the Velvet Roomies ha ha. I don't know how relevant that could be in the future.
There is one way to know if he is a attendant of the velvet room,his name. All attendant(no marie or the demon painter,they are outsiders of the velvet room how decides to stay there)included igor have reference to the novel of Frankenstein in they name.
The fact that he was introduced in Royal but ended up having his own mystery completely separated from the new third semester plot was so fascinating. My dream is that this is leading into some overarching plot, ideally involving Philemon because I really REALLY want him and nyarlothotep to be reintroduced already, but sadly Altus hates those characters 😔
I wouldn't say they hate them but in 1 and 2 its stated clearly that if one is around then the other is too and just as strong, and that if nyarly returns then the moment he does its the apocalypse, and it would be worse than anything that happened in 1 and 2
honestly if Jose is a velvet attendant in training he could possibly be in Persona 6 as an actual velvet attendant, but only after persona 5 gets milked to death of course.
Hey, Fither. What's your thoughts on the theory that Jose will be the next Igor? Aka the next velvet room master. You already explained why he could be the next velvet room attendant in detail, but also think about his abilities to assist the phantom thieves/the player. and correct me if i'm wrong, igor has never used persona's before, only create them. Jose is able to change the very metaverse. oh The reason why is nose is broken is because... well... do i need to explain it? There are other videos that explain the theory better but i was just wanted to hear some thoughts on the idea. Seriously! why does Igor have a long nose!? WHY?
I haven't finished the video because I'm on a discord call and it's very hectic lol (can't miss a fither upload though) but I've seen a theory floating around that he's a velvet attendant or a future one. It seems plausible to me but what I'm curious about is if there's any character in the Frankenstein book with that name, as pretty much every single attendant is named after or based on a Frankenstein character. Even Belladonna and Nameless are indirect references to the novel. If anyone's read the book (I'm illiterate lmao) it'd be a cool thing to look into.
Makes enough sense to me that he'd be a young attendant and also Pinocchio. According to the wiki, Igor is a doll that was given life and he created the attendants. So, it makes enough sense to me that they would also dolls.
Theaves Den is basicly jokers Palace everything there is just his cognition and if im not wrong Jose can give you item you can use in base game for doing all of Dens achivments so its probably cannon.
Everyone ask "whats up with Jose" but noone ask "How's Jose"
Thanks I’m good
@@joseguerro7445 Jose not José
Or better yet: _why_ is José
@@patrickrhyno4517 When is Josè
@@Zant582 I'm good, thanks for asking
I kinda wanna believe that Jose was sent out to study so he could prove to Philemon that he could be a velvet attendant. Although I’m sure Atlus would never do that
"Who's Philemon?"
- Atlas Employee
Jose to be P6’s Velvet Attendant, confirming P6 to have a female Protagonist o_o
That's basically what he says in the video
@@pickedceasar1216 no he says that he thinks Jose is doing it for like Elizabeth or Margret not Philemon
@@Grey-i2o yeah, but all the evidence that supports the Elizabeth theory can just as easily be used for any of the other God-like beings other than Igor.
He still can alter Mementos even after Maruki took control of it
Such a chad egg boi
I actually think that's a big clue that "he" Jose talks about might be Maruki. They both have the ability to change cognition. You fight Jose in Maruki's control room. Jose reacts to the flowers from Maruki's section (though negatively). He may be an attendant or a pseudo-attendant FOR Maruki but unable to fulfill his role properly due to the Velvet Room being captured.
@@PissedGrunty or hell maybe even Akechi, it would make sense considering he never practiced the ability and Akechi is the only one (between Maruki and Akechi) who can wield multiple personas
@@lucrativelucas2655 Maybe. If Jose were in vanilla P5, I would think that more likely.
honestly I thought Jose was gonna have a reveal that he was related in some form to Maruki for some reason when I got to Mementos in the Third Semester, especially when he started getting disgusted at the flowers in the new area
He's a precious egg boy. That's all there is to it.😌
He kinda stands out from the rest of the game though
Fither: "He looks like a puppet. Is he based on pinnocchio?"
Shenpai: "hE iS aN eGg!"
My idea is that Jose is a Velvet attendent in training; he has the gray hair, yellow eyes, and is has some kind connection to the main dungeon of the game.
I am certain than Jose is related to sophia in striker both of them are all white both of them only live in the metaverse both of them are using toys to fight a plastic hamer for jose and yoyo for sophia Jose never really reveal why he study human and for who he work but based on striker trealer we know that sophia is an IA maybe jose research end up helping in her creation? Also fun fact both of them ave mistook Morgana for a tanouki .. Enniway im sure they are related in a way
@@luthiamoonlightfrqc2905 nop, separate history’s
@@luthiamoonlightfrqc2905 I mean, if you take the Gnostic mythology then Sophia is the true god of that mythology. Sophia created and sealed the Demiurge away and in turn the Demiurge (Or Yaldabaoth I guess would also be correct) created the world and mankind. If I look at it from that angle maybe this Sophia (I haven't played Strikers) might have been curious as to what he creation created and send a little helper out to the world of the Demiurge.
Probably not, but it's fun to think about.
@@luthiamoonlightfrqc2905 Nope. Royal and Strikers are 2 different timeliness. Also Sophia was created by Ichinose while Jose’s creation is unknown. I’m guessing he has to do with Philemon and the Velvet Room attendants.
Elizabeth tasks Jose to bring her 100 colas and Jose goes to mementos to accomplish that task, only to run into Joker and spark his curiosity in mankind.... that might explain why flowers turn into drinks, he’s sampling them to see if they’re cola flavored....
Definitely think 5:13 is the correct one, can’t wait to see what he will be in the next main game or spin off.
Its kinda sad that Jose it about the closest we will probably ever get to Atlas acknowledging that Persona 1 and both 2s exist.
Well they did add persona 2 tracks to Spotify, so they at least know P2 exists
I mean P5R's final palace has P2's personas so eh, you're kinda wrong, and at the same time not.
Nah, with enough time passing they are guaranteed to get a remake especially with the series getting bigger and bigger. I just hope that they don't force social links into them, kinda wouldn't fit these 2.
@@brotbrotsen1100 I think it would work but more from a Fire Emblem aspect. Not the future children part obviously 😂😂
@@pickedceasar1216 you mean like only among party members?
"So What's Up With Jose?
"
Well that is a good question.
I actually want to know what Jose says in Japanese when he refers to this "he". I personally think he talks about Philemon, teasing a possible P6 return.
Personally, I think that there will be two Velvet Room attendants again. Both Jose and Theodore. Philemon can't come back unless nyar nyar comes back and the series developers basically said that the Velvet Room attendants are Philemon's children in the same way the Entity based villains are parts of Nyar Nyar in 3-5.
I do agree with the notion that Jose may be talking about Philemon
I am certain than Jose is related to sophia in striker both of them are all white both of them only live in the metaverse both of them are using toys to fight a plastic hamer for jose and yoyo for sophia Jose never really reveal why he study human and for who he work but based on striker trealer we know that sophia is an IA maybe jose research end up helping in her creation? Also fun fact both of them ave mistook Morgana for a tanouki .. Enniway im sure they are related in a way
@@luthiamoonlightfrqc2905 no they are not related.
@@JeronisLeror Does that mean Nyarly birthed his own dad?
My freind thinks he's a anti shadow weapon because of the ears
leaked plot of p5a
And the nose
Anti shadow weapon have Personas and were built like that so I don't think he is one.
@@Heekfull Well, they have to awaken their Persona's as well, at least I'm pretty sure thats the case, I remember reading about failed anti shadow weapons who were unable to awaken a persona.
@@Heekfull yeah. i dont believe it myself.
The funny thing about Jose is that if he really is a reference to Pinocchio, that story is a great example of how you can see The Fool's Journey in fiction. They might be looking to expand the literary references since they're drying the Frankenstein well.
Its confirmed by the creators through the interview that Jose is a reference of Pinocchio. The female residents of the Velvet Room names are based on the original Shelly novel, while the male residents Igor and Theodore names were based on real life/movie characters in other literary materials of Frankestein. Jose's name, according to one of the search is the name of the actor whom portrayed Frankenstein in one of the films, or from a real like figure, MK Joseph, whom edited the original Shelly novel to the modern literature.
What’s the Fool’s Journey?
Igor is training his velvet room attendants young so they won't have to leave the velvet room and somehow end up falling for the MC because he gets pretty lonely all by himself in the velvet room with no one to talk to.
And thats the real reason yaldabaoth made lavenza two lolies, only way to stop protag from banging the attendants are to make them children
@@HovektheArtist but they do it anyways
@@fujonazuna animal velvet attendant and not counting simpgana
@@mrnukes797 they'll still to it to that too
I'm kinda late, but i have recently finished p5r and i noticed one thing that a lot of people seem to overlook -- the cocept of Jose learning about humans by drinking juice from flowers. What other creature drinks juice from flowers...? The butterfly of course! So this thing makes me almost 100% certain that he is connected to the velvet room and most likely to philemon himself in some way.
Plot twist; Jose is an emmisary of door-kun, similar to morgana, helping door-kun turn human again. By consuming stars and flowers he is slowly being brought back to earth
Hey Fither!! Amaizng video loved the theories. Something that stuck out to me that you may have missed is after you beat Jose he says this. "Just remember, there are more folks observing humankind than you might realize" very interesting piece of dialogue.
As I played Royal, I grew to the theory that Jose was created and sent by Philemon to watch over the will of humanity. The biggest thing about that for me is Philemon's whole butterfly motif, and Jose drinks the flowers from Mementos, almost like how a butterfly drinks nectar from a flower. Combine that with his existence in Mementos, the palace of everyone's souls, on top of him being sent by someone that's unknown to the cast AND the players, and that's the only thing I can think of that really fits Jose.
On the topic of that theory, I also believe that, if he was created by Philemon, then he might become a replacement for Igor in future Persona games, since Atlus isn't too keen on using a character whose voice actor has passed. Igor was created by Philemon, last I recalled, so it would make sense that another creation of his would take over the duty of watching over humanity and the Velvet Room.
If Jose is a velvet room attendant that means he’d be named after the person who translated Frankenstein into Spanish
it's based off the Portuguese pronunciation ジョゼ(joze) not ホゼ(hoze). Biggest Japanese diaspora in the world is Brazil
@@SenhorKoringa portuguese commes from Portugal And it is not becouse of brazilians but becouse of Portugals colonialization era in japan. This can be proven in p3 where the teacher asks what food isnt japanese and you awser portuguese food
The pronunciation you use for him is what I was was used in the game. As a Mexican it just seems off lol
It is pronounced as "Joe-zay" in Japanese
I mean, his name's not José, it's Jose.
@@tsizzle7883 Yeah I know what it's supposed to be but still. Like my Mexican brain is used to J'ose so yeah
You can tell the localization team have literally never heard the Spanish language. Why they didn't just write Joze baffles me.
@@299brody Cuz that's... not his name? His name is Jose, no accent. Joe, say.
Maybe Jose was a velvet room trainee banished from the velvet room by yaldaboth and had his memories wiped, but still retained his instinct to learn about humanity. Then maybe the person he made the promise to was Philemon since after P2 he can’t really interfere with humanity. Plus, it would explain the wish Star and being able to change cognition.
Oh also it would sorta confirm that everyone in the velvet room was created by Philemon, which is why they have a lot of his powers.
I liked one theory I heard on Reddit. Jose is a broken part of Philemon that is trying to learn about humans in an effort to reform as normal Philemon.
But that was on a thread about how Edogawa was Philemon, so I don't know if it's that likely. But it was a good read though.
I think Jose is an attendant to Nyarlathotep. He's got a light grey outfit on that matches a little too well with the new section of mementos, which has a bunch of eldritch looking shadows wandering around, and the star motif fits in with the cosmic themes of Lovecraft's works.
Not a ton of evidence I know, but this is my own crackpot theory. I think it's a little better than the theory of him being Maruki's future son I've seen floating around.
Considering how he acts, I'd say he's more for Philamon.
@@mikhielbluemon4213 except philamon is split up among the attendants, and all attendants have that nice blue color or butterfly motif to harken back to blue butterfly Philly. Neither of which jose has, what he can do is alter cognition including shadows, which is something in nyarlys wheelhouse
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After going through p2 EP and IS when does it say he was split up?
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Also, besides Lavenza, none seems to be able to use the butterfly.
And we know that they can wear things besides their uniforms and that they can make shadows into attendants (Example: Marie who's half of Izanami).
@@mikhielbluemon4213 they can make shadows into a type of attendant but they are still specifically different from the other attendants, such as marie and Morgana. In fact marie has more in common with the artist from p1 and 2 because they are the only velvet room denizens that can copy skill cards.
To me I always thought Jose is a velvet room attendant in training.
1, we know he's not human because he refers to the cast as human.
2, He has the same golden eyes and white hair as most residents of the velvet room.
3, He mentions someone "training him" that someone most likely being Igor.
And 4, Like with all residents of the velvet room his name is actually a reference to Marry Shelly's Frankenstein much like Igor and Theodore, caroline , justine, magret.
I guess he just hasn't earned his blue colors yet, maybe he will be the resident in P6
It's really nice having a mystery like this cause as you said stuff usually just gets answered eventually or with some level of certainty, kinda makes me wonder what's going in the rest of the Persona world while this was 5/Royal was going on. It's also just cool to have something to think about as the days go by after beating this game. Haven't really gotten that too often
Jose will be antagonistic in P6. Like a velvet room attendant, but for the villain’s side
I really enjoyed Jose. I don't remember if I fought him or not. Watch Jose be the velvet room attendant in p6
There is also the chance that Jose in a god or avatar. After you fight him, he says something like he understands now why the "others" can't leave humanity alone, so that person may very well be a different god that will appear next. I mean, changing mementos is not an easy feat.
If he really is a Velvet Room attendant, it’d be very interesting to see Jose as P6’s main attendant.
I believe he was created by Philemon to study the state of humanity to either prevent or prepare for Nyarlaphotep if he ever returns. That would make sense since Philemon hasn’t effected the Persona games directly since when he did P2 happened. That could mean that P6 might have Nyarlaphotep as the Antagonist.
Atlus actually acknowledging p1 and p2 exist?
Unlikely
If nyarly returns philemon returns and vice versa, so as long as nobody mass fuses the attendants into philemon, then we will keep getting lesser aspects of papa nyarly
Jose Drove through my wall,
Gave me a stars,
Let me do Combo attacks,
Had wears for Flower pop,
Then ran me over with his car.
10/10 Good EggBoi
If he was a Velvet resident, his name would be a reference to Frankenstein media!
I haven't figured out what that reference is, but some day we'll find out!
Theory one is probably the most possible because there's a theory that Elizabeth sent Jose to explore mementos and help the phantom thieves change everyone's heart so they could stop wishing for death because in P3 the answer it shows that Erabes or the entity from people who are wishing for death, trying to get rid of the great seal (Minato) and reunite with nyx and cause the end of the world, so that's why Elizabeth wants everyone's hearts to change so that Minato doesn't have to be the great seal.
I'm glad more people like the precious egg boy. I'm quite fond of him and I hope we get to see him again in the future. Btw, mic is sounding good.
He reminds me so much of Emporio from Stone Ocean because they both are weird kids with unknown origins trying to use their bizarre powers to help the first groups of people they immediately encounter
If he does comeback in P6 people will make more connections of Persona 6 and Jojo 6
I doubt that he's related to the Velvet room because his name is not a reference to the Frankenstein novel.
Huh, you've got a pretty good point there.
Neither is Theodore?
@@sixx5043 Actually, yes. He's not from the original Frankenstein, but a character named Theodore does exist in a book called The Ghost of Frankenstein.
Interesting because his name does mean Yahweys will rises,gods rising will, rising will, or just god will rise. Interesting when he shows up in the game about the rise of 2 different demiurges
@@sixx5043 Theodore may be either named after the character Dr. Theodore Bohmer from the film Ghost of Frankenstein or named after Theodor Richard Edward von Holst, the first illustrator of the novel in 1831.
I really like the theory of him being Philemon's lackey. That'd be awesome!
His eyes just scream “Velvet Room attendant” to me, but I’ve always thought he is a rogue attendant that left to be able to study human stuff. Don’t got much else besides that. But I love his aesthetic with the stars and moons, reminds me of the star seeker keyblade from Kingdom Hearts
I hope it's just a part of an overarching story of Elizabeth's journey that builds up to an Endgame type final battle, but if I'm being honest if we get Persona Q3 after Persona 6 releases, then it's going to be just a little bit of a big cast.
Maybe for Persona Q3 it can just be the P1, P2, and P5 along with P6’s cast. I just say this since P1&2 cast hasn’t been explored in the Q series and that the P3&4 cast has been in it two times, so just let P5 get their second and we’re good. But I don’t care if they add everyone, though they would have to make it separate routes for them(more of you play with the P6 cast, but have to chose one or two of the other casts to play it, the remaining characters just go for a separate route and meet up at the end of the game).
My crack headcanon is that he's Elizabeth's and Door-Kun's son
And Elizabeth sent him to mementos
Interesting theories! I always had the idea that Jose was a newer Kirijo robot, and that he made a promise with Aigis to understand humans.
I'm so glad you're making Royal videos. I was kind of bummed out that some of my favorite content creators had kinda moved on from Persona and it's cool to hear your takes on Royal.
I thought I was the only one who thought his hair looked like an egg shell
Believe you're not!
@@ace0719 well now I know that
I thought Jose might be an Angel/Alien like Ren in Catherine Full Body.
I feel like if Jose would have been an Angel there would have been more notices/clues/possibility personality change given how Angels tend to act (Both in Megami Tensei games and in most books about them)
Alien maybe lol
I also kind of just assumed he was an alien because of the way he looked and how he's themes with stars and such
I do understand why he's being compared to a velvet attendant, but even the attendants look human with hair made of hair and ear shaped ears
It would also make sense on why he's curious about humans and why we don't see the person he promised to
My headcanon is that Igor made Jose as practice for making Morgana. He just reused him and sent him around mementos.
When I saw Jose for the first time he automatically became one of the best characters because of how he roasted Morgana
I like to think he's helping Elizabeth in her journey to save Makoto
Nah nah, all those times Elizabeth went to yeet Erabus, she took in makoto’s essence and created a bab.
Either A: He’s going to be in Persona 6
or
B: Persona 5 is going to get ANOTHER game with him as the focus.
Jose is a precious baby and must be protected
I never thought too hard about it. He isn't human, but is kinda fanboying humans. Even his appearance points to this. How it looks mostly human but has some details that make it clear he is only emulating humanity. I figure he is a kind of spirit child. Higher in the pecking order than a shadow but doesn't have a specific allegiance yet. That the test he is undergoing is set to help guide him down the path to finding himself.
As to Morgana...he was made as a last minute creation to help Joker. He wasn't intended to be Joker's guide until Yaldabaoth walled off the Velvet Room. So of course his knowledge is spotty. The game itself makes it clear there are weird holes in Morgana's knowledge for most of it.
One way to look at is that Jose is a creation of Mementos itself, a way for the collective unconscious to study itself.
Still want a Demifiend or Seraph superboss... maybe once modding becomes a thing.
Since it's pronounced "joe-zay", he's clearly a JoJo protagonist.
personally, i think Jose might be talking about Philemon. Philemon must of known about velvet room getting taken over by yaldabaoth and sent someone to keep an eye on joker and mementos. He does give you the wishing star while saying 'he almost forgot'
and that he want's to 'give you something' (if i remembered correctly).
What if Nyarlathotep is making his own variation of the Velvet Room, with it's own attendants and such.
Making this egg-headed bundle of cute for dastardly purposes would jive with his sense of humor, I think.
all this talk of nyarlathotep makes me want P2 remakes so i can actually play them
The most common theory about Jose is that he is working with Elizabeth and he is part of the quest she's on, if you've ever played the Persona 4 Arena games. Jose did mention that there's lots of others like him researching humans and I get the feeling that him being able to change cognition in Mementos is while what he does in the game seems like beginners steps, but I think he's slowly learning how to fully change cognition in a place like Mementos so that he can use this ability to change people's cognition into not subconsciously wishing for death anymore. Has this been confirmed? No. But I like to think that we'll get answers to Jose in a Persona 5 Arena game.
I think he could be the son of Philemon, and that after screening things up with the Tatsuya and the persona 2 cast Philemon sent Jose to keep an eye on joker for some reason
I like the idea that he was sent out by Philemon for whatever reason. Considering they both have an interest and positive outlook towards humans. I like to think that maybe (building off the idea that Philemon for whatever reason couldn’t do shit about YB taking over the Velvet Room), Jose was his way of being a way to assist humanity without directly interfering.
Am I putting to much faith in the idea that Philemon is still part of the Persona canon? Yeah but idc
I like the idea of Jose replacing Igor going forward, albeit they could just drop Igor and use attendants fuse persona's
Lowkey hope we get "siblings" (other gray haired folks with space motifs) with similar functions in future games
Like different people were sent to study people in different regions or something
I like your theory that he’s Pinocchio. I actually equated him with another literary figure from children’s books. I think Jose is, or at least based on, the Little Prince. I never actually read the book, and I vaguely remember an anime series based on it that I watched as a child, but it was about a boy who lived alone on a tiny planet who had a lot of curiosities about humans and would often come and visit earth. I think he had some strange powers, and stars were a motif, and I think the book had an unnamed first person protagonist that might be the person Jose is referring to.
I was actually wondering about this so this perfect timing
After you said Velvet child, I thought that Elizabeth and Makoto had made a kid.
Although that's some extreme fan fiction sounding stuff.
I think he is the love child of Elizabeth and Door, it just adds up so much in my head and gives doors death a death and rebirth vibe. Unless Elizabeth had manage to get her job done using wish fulfilment powers.
Kid will grow so op.
Imagine Makoto gets Freed and Elizabeth just comes with a child lmao.
If he really has ties to Philemon, and if that means Philemon would make a full on comeback in a future Persona game, but not as just a butterfly like in 3 & 4, that would kind of blow my mind.
"Future persona 5 stuff"
I dont like that statement.
Arenaaaaaaa
I originally thought Before royal came out he was related to Maruki. Investigating Mementos so Maruki could change it from within
I think Jose's being set up as a replacement for Igor, and his "master" is Philemon. Igor's Japanese VA has been dead for years and they don't like recasting people in Japan, with them only doing so in P5 because of Yaldy. They can't keep reusing the same 7 Igor lines for the rest of time.
It kinda doesn’t make sense? Why can’t they recast some random dude to play Igor? In Danganronpa they were able to replace Monokumas Japanese Va with someone else. It wouldn’t be to hard.
@@Little_Eris Its not a "can't", but a choice to respect the old VA. But then in P5, they already did replace the voice and weaved it into the story, so...
@@Little_Eris Also, I'm pretty sure Monokuma's voice actress going inactive rather than outright dying at least gave Spike Chunsoft leeway to replace her without outright getting rid of Monokuma
In terms of other Shadows being special there is also Metis in the Answer. As much as people hate it and some people may not even know about it Metis is integral to the plot. She is confirmed to be Aigis' shadow and she definitely has a will of her own. I also thought maybe Philemon was the one who tasked Jose due to Philemon also being interested in humanity to an extent as well as his will to see humanity succeed so a creature granting wishes and needing to learn about human would probably help Philemon quite a bit.
I always find it interesting there's "Shadow-Adjacent" characters in this. I wonder what other ways they could do this. Like what if "Mothman" became a fuckin' mascot?
Mothman is already the mascot of my heart
What's up with him?
Answer: he es adorable, lovable and probable very huggable
Ps: Good Job!
My theory is that he's a velvet sibling. The thieves den is his velvet room tho, he has this to get experience. There are stars in it and everything.
We all love egg boy
I have a theory that Jose is like morgana he was created by Igor Levneza or hell maybe even marukis subconscious to assist the phantom thieves
I hope, even though it's very unlikely, that Jose is a method of reintroducing Philemon, and that's who the promise was made too
See I didn't think he was a new attendant, I always thought he was made by Elizabeth herself to gather information to help her with her quest to ease Door-Kun's Pain
Also I was gonna say that the name Jose could be a reference to Pinocchio, in that Jose could be Spanish for Joseph, which can be then be linked to Geppetto, however I feel like it could be too obscure and more of a coincidence?
No Way Jose
I think he is more evidence of the attendants being of Philemon's kids. Sure he is also Pinnochio, but things he said implied Philemon might be coming back.
That is an interesting idea. The Velvet Room hasn’t been breached like this before, as far as we’re aware. That’s exactly the kind of thing you’d think Philemon would come back to check out, since I’m fairly certain he’s the one that created the Velvet Room.
@@samk4480 there is a reason he can't. At the end of persona 2 game 2, Philemon had to retreat into the recesses of the collective human subconscious along with nyarlathotep. It has been established that the villains of Persona 3 4 and 5, with the exception of Maruki and Izanami are fragments of Nyar. The reason for this being they were both so severely weakened by trying to war over two versions of the human world at once that they could no longer directly interfere except for as save points and sources of power. However, if Philemon was able to interfere in the form of a Velvet Room attendant, or in the case of royal , Jose that would track.
That being said, if they both come back it does mean that we might see the Persona 1 and Persona 2 cast possibly make a return for the second, given how close it a big anniversary for the franchise is to coming up.
We've also established that, at least as of the end of Royal, the temporary restriction were only kids and the villains could use personas please mute. Maruki isn't a villain, he's an antagonist. This means that the Persona 1 and Persona 2 cast, late middle age and early middle age respectively at this point in the timeline could potentially get their powers back. Again, tying into the big anniversary. We also know that Persona 3 and 4 cast still have their powers as well
His voice actress is the same woman that voiced Rhonda in Hey Arnold. The rich girl that wore red. Not many people know that or bring it up.
Tiny little detail with Joses menu, when you switch to "cognition" and animation plays out where he swings his hammer, nearly hitting Joker, but Joker ducks and I think it's just a really cute little detail.
His entire menu is great and adorable, and the fact you say please when buying an item is great
@@braxtonwalden8365 he's jsut a good bean. Both Jose and Joker, adorable interactions and in so glad atlus went out of their way to do all that. It's so cute
José also has a cut scene where he goes to the flowers shop where Joker can work! Again it is cut but the initial intention was that he was going to be outside sometimes like the Velvet Roomies ha ha. I don't know how relevant that could be in the future.
I also Thought that the seeds would have more of a story role but it just give you an unique item
There is one way to know if he is a attendant of the velvet room,his name.
All attendant(no marie or the demon painter,they are outsiders of the velvet room how decides to stay there)included igor have reference to the novel of Frankenstein in they name.
He’s probably going to be more explained and important when he appears in the next game.
I never paid much attention to Jose. But I appreciate this deep dive very much Fither!
The fact that he was introduced in Royal but ended up having his own mystery completely separated from the new third semester plot was so fascinating.
My dream is that this is leading into some overarching plot, ideally involving Philemon because I really REALLY want him and nyarlothotep to be reintroduced already, but sadly Altus hates those characters 😔
I wouldn't say they hate them but in 1 and 2 its stated clearly that if one is around then the other is too and just as strong, and that if nyarly returns then the moment he does its the apocalypse, and it would be worse than anything that happened in 1 and 2
I hope he’s helping Elizabeth bring back Door-kun
I had no clue there was a Jose fight until I watched this video. Now I have something to aim for in my NG+.
honestly if Jose is a velvet attendant in training he could possibly be in Persona 6 as an actual velvet attendant, but only after persona 5 gets milked to death of course.
Mic sounding pretty good, fither
Precious little egg child I love him 🥺
Hey, Fither. What's your thoughts on the theory that Jose will be the next Igor? Aka the next velvet room master.
You already explained why he could be the next velvet room attendant in detail, but also think about his abilities to assist the phantom thieves/the player. and correct me if i'm wrong, igor has never used persona's before, only create them. Jose is able to change the very metaverse.
oh The reason why is nose is broken is because... well... do i need to explain it?
There are other videos that explain the theory better but i was just wanted to hear some thoughts on the idea.
Seriously! why does Igor have a long nose!? WHY?
Ooh! Wait! This video just gave me an idea, what if Jose ends up being the attendant for the next Persona game? That'd be really cool 😄
i though jose would for sure tie into the dream world stuff but nah, just a kid that eats flowers.
He IS delightful! I hope he shows up in p6!
I always wondered why is his name Jose in a game with very Japanese sounding names
I haven't finished the video because I'm on a discord call and it's very hectic lol (can't miss a fither upload though) but I've seen a theory floating around that he's a velvet attendant or a future one. It seems plausible to me but what I'm curious about is if there's any character in the Frankenstein book with that name, as pretty much every single attendant is named after or based on a Frankenstein character. Even Belladonna and Nameless are indirect references to the novel.
If anyone's read the book (I'm illiterate lmao) it'd be a cool thing to look into.
it's based off the Portuguese pronunciation ジョゼ(joze) not ホゼ(hoze). Biggest Japanese diaspora in the world is Brazil
Makes enough sense to me that he'd be a young attendant and also Pinocchio. According to the wiki, Igor is a doll that was given life and he created the attendants. So, it makes enough sense to me that they would also dolls.
Theaves Den is basicly jokers Palace everything there is just his cognition and if im not wrong Jose can give you item you can use in base game for doing all of Dens achivments so its probably cannon.
Wow. I just started played P5R recently. I only played smt4 before that. And I never noticed the ears and nose details on jose...