Form Vs Shape: How Great Artists Combine Realism With Style.
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
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You will get some simple advice on how to get more detail and polish in your work. How to think about composition. And my thoughts on how to prepare for professional work.
Let's look at how successful artists use Form Vs Shape to help make great images!
Here are the artists mentioned in this video:
GEORGE BRIDGMAN - Mentioned in relation to "Bridgman's Complete Guide to Life Drawing."
BURN HOGARTH - Discussed in connection with his anatomy books.
LORD LEIGHTON - Mentioned in relation to his work that represents an end goal of rendering figures three-dimensionally.
THE HILDEBRANDT BROTHERS (specifically Tim Hildebrandt) - Mentioned in relation to a book showcasing their dedication to understanding three-dimensional form and painting.
ALAN DOIDER - French comic artist of "Jerome K. Jerome Bloche".
HAYO MIYAZAKI - Discussed in connection with "Nausicaa" manga and his stylized yet form-based rendering.
J.W. WATERHOUSE - Mentioned in relation to his flat image style with ambient lighting.
KATSUHIRO OTOMO - Discussed with reference to the "Akira" manga and its shape-based rendering.
ENKI BILAL - Mentioned with respect to the "Nikopol Trilogy," highlighting his unique style and mix of realism and abstraction.
ALEX TOTH - Discussed in relation to his "Zorro" work, noted for his mix of iconic representation and graphic shadow play.
FRANK FRAZETTA - Mentioned in connection with his various works, combining graphic shadow patterns with painted looks, often referenced for his strong focus on shapes and form.
00:00 Intro
02:12 Welcome
02:54 Form As Part Of Art Education (Bridgman & Hogarth)
06:10 Lord Leighton
09:11 Tim Hildebrandt
12:05 Alain Dodier (Jerome K. Jerome Bloche)
14:57 Hayo Miyazaki (Nausicaa Manga)
19:45 JW Waterhouse
21:35 Katsuhiro Otomo (Akira Manga)
25:42 Enki Bilal (Nikopol Trilogy)
27:59 Alex Toth (Zorro Comic)
30:17 Frank Frazetta (Testament Art Book)
34:31 How Can You Use This In Your Work?
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Every time I watch one of those videos it makes me want to go buy art books XD
Caspar David Friedrich was so good with form in his landscapes that "Wanderer above the Sea of Fog" would go on to be concept art for video games nearly 200 years before those games would even exist!
so true
Can recommend to check mangaka Kamome Shirahama and their Witch Hat Atelier manga. I think they have a great line and color illustration style.
Agreed ✨
This is why I love your videos; you casually say something that breaks through obstacles I'd inadvertently put in front of myself.
Only 8 minutes in and I've learned it's not that I'm doing something "wrong", it's "what great artists understand".
I get that. And I am grateful
I thought he said autistic not artistic😂
David Friend wrote a book called Composition. This is a book entirely about fine art compositions, often associated with strong form emphasis, and he emphasizes that you really need to focus on shape relationships.
He specifically talks about how you should just draw things until you have the basics of the shape relationships and the very basics of what you imagine in your head and then to start a second draft. One of the real problems is trying to render before you've even finished sketching.
Basically even if you want to focus on form you can use shapes to help you draft the idea until you get something worth developing into a draft with strongly defined forms. He demonstrates this process with surviving drafts showing how different artists developed their compositions one draft at a time.
So weird I just had a personal break through about realizing this relationship between realism and iconography as it relates to style. Perfect timing.
Very informative and helpful, thank you!
Jerome K. Jerome Bloche is super underrated!
Jerome rules!
Nice Video
Thank you very much for this video and your thoughts, this is very valuable! By the way, I'm at a fork in the road right now, becasue I'm trying to enrich my anatomycal stylization - I already have a good understanding of basic anatomy, but don't really know should I continue to study anatomy from real people and learn to stylize myself or focus more on studyning other artworks?
What the heck, why am I not subscribed to this channel
Can you make a series demonstrating how to draw effects because I'm really struggling with that? Like debris from characters and their attacks crashing into buildings and the environment. crushed debris, rocks, collapsed buildings, bruises, cuts, blood, small & massive explosions, energy beams, water, fire, smoke, lava, ice, etc. The only book I've found covering the topic is in another language in that country.
how can you get over the fear of putting your written into or story into drawings
I honestly think you have a very limited view on how it is possible to represent form in drawing and painting.
Perspective, overlaps, crosscontour drawing are all ways to also show volume and also how you think about parts of a figure or object will effect the way you enclose part of what you are drawing in a way that it also appears to be more dimensional.
Shadow is only one way to describe surfaces and planes and there doesn’t even need to be a super dark shadow. Sometimes a shadow can actually flatten an area more than it gives it dimension.
The quickest way to „flatten“ a drawing is just drawing the surrounding contour of a shape without overlaps and ignoring the surface on the inside, which you can indicate by shapes shifting in value or color, textures, lines for example.
A lot what you consider to be flat here I wouldn’t, but with other parts you point out I would agree they are more graphic/flat and less dimensional.
You can get away with implying more, when you understand the surface well enough to choose what to keep. You don’t have to though. Sometimes also more can be more 😂
Less can also be less and can also be a sign of gaps in understanding.
I actually think now that it can be harmful to the development of an artist if we throw around heurisitcs and phrases we picked up from others like less is more, often even putting it in the wrong context, because it lost its true context a long time ago.
I think it is a big problem people still talk about rules and breaking rules in art.
If a piece of art succeeds solely depends on your intentions you have and there is different tools you can use to communicate what you want to communicate.
I'm going to tell you something you're not going to take seriously, but is going to resonate in your mind, in the future when you find out this person that is coming out of nowhere was right. Art style makes sense even when breaking the rules for the following reason: we artist repeat ourselfs thousands of times. And do not do studies of somebody else's art, never. Cheers.
An empty analysis, 30 minutes of nothing