Two best ways to explain the difference between a violin and a fiddle. 1) It's a violin when you sell it, but a fiddle when you buy it. 2) A violon has strings, a fiddle has strangs.
The bridge on the fiddle may have a more shaved bridge in order to make it easier to play double stops, but yeah. Exact same instrument just called differently depending on music played.
I was told that Flamenco guitars had some sociological reasons for their design. Due to the venues they were played in, some of the adaptations were made to get a brighter louder sound to cut through the noise of the venue, at the cost of reducing sustain. Also, because they generally accompanied singers, mid-range was quieter to allow the singer to feature. Just from book-learning really, I am no expert.
Music stores around here do not have staff that know this basic information. Thank you so much for this video that cleared up the two guitars definition.
I studied flamenco back in my days and one feature of a flamenco guitar (however, I have never tested, because I have never had access to many flamenco guitars) is that the box is slightly shallower. Also, the wood of the box is thinner thus making flamenco guitars much lighter. Both of these add features designed to give the snappy, sharp tone unlike classical guitars that prefer more deeper and long lasting tone. All together, the flamenco guitar is designed to have the sharp tone because a guitar plays along signing and dancing (especially stepping), and if not for the bright tone, I might be difficult to hear.
Yes. This is what I was expecting to hear. Body not as deep, thinner, maybe even bracing differences. But instead we learn that he has simply failed to adequately lower the action on his classical, and thinks that's the difference. I have heard, that the strong tone of a classical is boosted by leaving the strings high, but am myself more concerned with how it would boost the torque on the neck, and with no adjusting rod, that means big money work or the garbage can for your guitar eventually. I lowered my classical action fairly low, and I can assure you it didn't make it sound like a guitar with a different body design.
@@michaelmcnally4868 I am not much familiar with setting strings higher or lower. Setting them higher will definitely have an effect on right hand techniques because any small adjustment can make a big difference on catching strings. This is seen and experienced while using capodaster (capo). I played some pieces on, say, 3rd with capo, but when playing without capo it was way different and more difficult due to finger muscle memory.
@@jackswiatek5221 I am new to adjusting saddles, so I got curious and searched youtube. Watched a video by Thames who I believe makes luthier quality classical guitars in the UK, though he sounded more like an American. The video was more about an extended saddle which allows you to adjust the setup height by sliding it back and forth. But anyway he said on the low E the height was a little over 3/32. That's 94 thousandths. And with the extended taller section (the saddle is ~1.75in longer than normal) slid all the way in, it would be raised to 5/32in(156 thousandths). 3mm=0.118" 4mm=0.157". I have in my notes that somewhere in the low 3's is good for the low E, 3.2=0.126". I remember that this quote is from someone who is doing setups a lot lower than what I commonly saw advised for classical, but I agreed with him. Now for steel string guitar, the guys that want an easy to play setup are like maybe in the 70's (thousandths) for the low E. It is not only the forces on the neck that are higher with a high setup. The strings are also pulling more directly upward at the bridge, which puts more upward pull on the sound board, and a raised sound board is a common problem, more humidity related if the setup is correct. This is what makes me think that the guys out there saying a classical needs to be 5 or 6mm or something like that (at the neck body junction) are just helping to make more work for luthiers.
@@michaelmcnally4868 What you are saying is probably very correct. I don't approach playing guitar on that mathematical measurements. Some guitars are harder, some softer, some guitar makers specialize in one or both, etc, etc, etc. A guitar is a tree converted into a musical instrument and each one of them has a unique soul... or at least it should. I would imagine none is the same and each one of them will tend to have different attributes even if made to the same specs. One of the major one is that you can't make each guitar from the very same piece of wood, and driven from the differences in wood is the quality of the instrument and its sound. I have heard that making good classical and flamenco guitars is becoming more and more difficult mainly due to the pollution in which trees tend to twist when growing and thus having uneven grain, or grain is too thick, etc, etc, etc. Study of itself.
@@michaelmcnally4868 Watch these. Two very different methods on making a guitar. I will try to put a link to it next, but sometimes youtube delete links. So put these into youtube Making a Guitar | Handcrafted Woodworking | Où se trouve: Greenfield Guitars Documental de la construcción artesanal de las guitarras Francisco Bros. Guitarras Francisco Bros
To my ear a properly set up flamenco guitar's fret buzz provides a snare drum undertone that adds dimension to the percussive presentation. Usually played behind a singer and dancer this fret buzz and finger tapped percussion allows a single guitar to sound like a small combo sound wise. Just my opinion. Great video David.
Most flamenco guitars do have spruce tops. However this one cat by the name of Paco de Lucia R.I.P. almost always played a cedar top conde hermanos in a pretty serious fashion.
Hi David , I'm your new student , I'm 67 years old and I love flamenco music , specifically Rumba , I find your teaching unbelievable simple , practical ,easy to understand , in a few minuets I learned so much and not only that , but you have clarify so many myth and wrong believe about the guitar types, strings etc etc , muchas garcias desde Vancouver . Pepe
Thank you so much for your clear explination of the differneces between a classical and a flamenco guitar. I am a composer in the midst of writing a new Guitar Concerto and found your comments very helpful.
That was one of the best, most concise and easy to understand explanation, for players of any abilities. Thanks. After many years of playing Classical and steel string Acoustic, I learned something worthwhile again.
Thank you so much for this interesting video. Many flamenco solo player like to play a guitar with a high action because they want to have a clear tone with no buzzing strings. A classic guitar has more diversity of sound and you can play a lot of different styles of music. (From Barock to Latin)
Good review thanks, additional to your information: inside the guitar there are some differences at the construction too (the number and position of the "abanicos"), in flamenco guitar, the sound is brighter and fast, but must dissapear faster than in classical guitar, that is realy important to play faster and strong without having all the sound at the same time.
I cannot reply directly do you via youtube, Felix, since a setting in google+ has removed that ability for you, but here is an answer for whether the strings are the same on a flamenco and classical guitar: For all intents and purposes, both types of guitars use the same strings. Some companies market and sell "flamenco" sets, sometimes with black colored treble strings, but these are not really different from classical strings of the same tension. I use the exact same sets of strings on my classical and flamenco guitars. I do this for consistency as much as because that set (Savarez 540J "HT Classic") happens to compliment the sound of both guitars well. In addition, most flamenco players I have come across do not seek out strings marketed as flamenco strings, nor do they necessarily play on hard tension strings (though I do for both styles). When setting up any sort of guitar, experiment with string types and chose those that work the best for your hands and your instrument. Don't worry about what label is on them, because they are essentially the same exact product.
Hi! Just to say that there is one crucial issue that needs to be corrected. One of the main differences between classic and flamenco have to do with the scale. This issue plays an important role in virtually all of the aspects (tone, sonority, playability ...). Classic 650 millimeters, Flamenco, 660. BEst
There is no historical evidence that shows any difference between classical and flamenco instruments with regards to the basic construction of the instrument and many players and builders say there is none. Pepe Romero says a test of a guitar - as far as how good a sounding guitar it is - is if it sounds good for both classical and flamenco. It is true that the percussive techniques used in flamenco playing require protecting the top with a golpeador and cedar being a softer wood may not be an ideal choice although there are luthier who use it. Flamenco players have a preference for a lower action, but that's a player preference not an instrument preference. A blues player getting their action set lower on their tele doesn't change the instrument from being a tele. As a guess many guitar historians think that the light back and sides were used on cheaper instruments because cypress was easier to obtain and less costly, and since the gypsies who played flamenco did not have a lot of money played them they became associated with flamenco guitars. If you can find a fine cypress bodied guitar set up for classical playing you should play it, they are awesome, perhaps better than the much more common Indian rosewood. The instrument with nylon strings that we all know and love really should be called the Spanish guitar, as this is the culture that has brought it to us, whether we play flamenco music, or classical music on it. We don't refer to any other guitar by the style of music that gets played on it. Classical pianists have a preference for Steinway and Bosendorfer pianos where jazz players prefer Yamahas but we just call them pianos. I have spent lots of time in Spain and played many instruments, a really good flamenco and a really good classical will sound the same when your back is turned as long as the player does not play hard and cause it to buzz. Flamenco builders are beginning to promote the difference between flamenco and classical instruments, but in my opinion it's more a marketing notion. As far as the tonal differences you can find a vast array of tonal palettes in both "classical" and "flamenco" guitars. Bright, punchy, crisp, full, round, etc. are terms that you will hear to describe either. There seems to be a preference for a bit brighter sound in flamenco, but players who specialize in playing baroque music as opposed to latin american will have different ideas about the ideal tone from the instrument. That doesn't make it a different instrument. I build Spanish guitars, if the player is going to be playing flamenco style it will get a golpeador on it, if they play only classical it will not. The action will be set by the players preferences and physical characteristics. I have set up many guitars for younger players or players with very small hands with a low action in order to make it easier for them to play- some flamenco players have their action set quite high if they have large powerful hands.
+Bob St. Cyr I've addressed this elsewhere in the comments, but I shall sum up: The classical and flamenco guitar are different arrangements of the same instrument, this is true. However, those differences exist and I am constantly asked about them, hence this video. My classical and flamenco guitar have very different tonal characteristics, and I desired this for stylistic reasons. I have many guitars, and I have many because they each do different things. So it is with these. It is a bigger difference than a Steinway and a Yamaha, in my not-so-humble opinion. I will not doubt your quote from Pepe, but I have heard the opposite from other members of the Romero family, and, perhaps more importantly, I hear the opposite often from flamenco players. Thanks for stopping by and good luck.
FWIW, Pepe Romero is not someone that any real flamenco guitarist would want to emulate. He sounds classical, including when he's trying to play what little he has left of flamenco. Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic guitarist and I have great respect for him. But flamenco no es. So I would take his advice with a huge grain of salt.
If you have the money then you re going to get what you want. It really comes down to preference. Some people who only have one guitar whether it be flamenco or classical are to play whatever they want to play on it. If you have the means then you re going to buy what you prefer when it comes to sound and what action you re looking for. For years I played flamenco on a classical guitar. But years later now with money I own both types of guitars. But at times I’ll play Spanish on the classical and classical on the flamenco guitar. Just depends. Same with the piano. I play recitals every so often. If it’s a voice type of concert I prefer Yamaha or Baldwin that have a higher brighter sound. Bosendorfers are just too light when there’s that much sound. If it’s a piano recital I prefer Steinway (pre 70s if possible) In short it comes down to what suits your taste, what sounds good and feels good to groove on.
dear David thanks for taking your time to make a guitar like this However, I would like to add some points. There are great flamenco guitars made with Cedar Top, even Redwood top sometimes. Great flamenco virtuoso like Serranito, Manolo Sanlucar, Juan Serrano... all play great Jose Ramirez guitars made of Cedar top and Rosewood (Indian or Brazilian) back and sides. Many of the most famous guitars are also made with Cedar top: Gerundino Fernandez, Hermanos Conde, Valeriano Bernal... Spruce is just a more popular choice :D
Thanh Huynh Thanks for stopping by and watching! Your comment may actually illicit another video on the history of the flamenco guitar. Jose Ramirez (the original Jose Ramirez, who died quite a while ago) didn't explicitly make "flamenco" guitars. He just made guitars, and flamenco player will adapt whatever is suitable - Carlos Montoya played often on a "classical" guitar because of its better bass range compared to the cheap cypress and peg guitars that were popular in the then-budding flamenco scene. You're going to play whatever is the best available - and certainly in the past that was often cedar. However, in the context of this video, I'm talking mostly about modern guitars, and in the modern era spruce is a near-universal choice for a flamenco guitar. Likewise in my experience flamenco-specific performers have all used spruce-topped guitars. There's nothing to say you can't use cedar (or even something else), just that it seems really rare to choose it for that style. Guitar makers are aware of this. As a result, virtually all the guitars you will find that are set-up as or marketed as flamenco guitars will have a spruce top. For my part, I really do prefer cedar for most things; unfortunately that has fallen out of favor a bit in the classical world as well. Additionally, I might add that I don't think I ever saw Juan Serrano play a cedar top guitar, either in practice or in concert. When I was a student of his (in the early 2000s), he played mostly guitars made by David Macias. They were all spruce-topped, so I presume he held similar opinions on spruce to other artists. There are always exceptions, though, so play what sounds best for your style and interpretation! Thanks for watching!
David Stewart Just a correction, Jose Ramirez did make a guitar that was influenced by the guitars flamencos used - called the tablao guitar. He also made guitars out of cypress.
thanks for replying. Yes, all of your info and perspectives are true. I only put in my 2cents on the " Spruce top flamenco guitars" based on my experience. Wwish all of other arguments could come to this level of healthi-ness :)
I am grateful to have learned this!!! All these years I did not know! I can tell you what necks and pick ups will brighten your electric, but not this. The contrarian in me wants to remind everyone that now has the "wrong" guitar upon seeing this video. My audience loves and is accustomed to Alembics and Dumbles, two of the most expensive gears in the electric guitar world. They did NOT care at all when I covered their beloved songs on a Fender if I did it right. Brad Paisley's fans can not hear the difference between Brad's 5K Klon and my 40.00 Klone. If you OCD on setting, ownership, sharing, appearance, technique and so on, you become like Jazz and Classical. Historical. Namaste.
Keep in mind some flamenco guitars are dark wood at the front, a brand that makes this type of guitar is Cordoba and Paco de Lucia himself played many songs with a dark top guitar. Im not sure if it was cedar tho, im pretty sure it was spruce with a dark finish. So for anyone seeing this, just know there are many flamenco guitarists that have played with a dark top. Many flamenco guitars try to be fancy and look slick by changing the type of finish on the wood. Just always make sure it says Spruce on the details dont rely on the colour too much.
While you can fiddle with a violin, typically the fiddle bridge is setup more flat than a violin to allow easier access to double and even triple stops (bowing 2 or 3 strings at a time to make chords).
Hi! I want to learn how to play guitar and flamenco has to be one of my favourites. Should I get a classical guitar and learn the flamenco basics and then if I like it or once I get better, then maybe buy a flamenco guitar? thanks in advance.
Whatever is available and good is what I would play. You can always add a golpeador (top guard) to a classical guitar to protect it from the flamenco techniques.
I bumped by chance into an old man at my swimming session a few years ago. He worked with Pepe Martinez and "looked after" (he and his family put him up in his house and stuff) in the 60's or early 70's here in the UK and was with him when he did a few TV appearances and other performances. Long story cut short, he was gifted a Flamenco guitar by Pepe which he still had years later. Eventually he couldn't play any more due to age and took it to a local guitar studio. They took one look at it and offerred him a fairly hefty sum and that is the end of my little story.
I cannot reply directly do you, Felix, since a setting in google+ has removed that ability for you, but here is an answer for whether the strings are the same on a flamenco and classical guitar: For all intents and purposes, both types of guitars use the same strings. Some companies market and sell "flamenco" sets, sometimes with black colored treble strings, but these are not really different from classical strings of the same tension. I use the exact same sets of strings on my classical and flamenco guitars. I do this for consistency as much as because that set (Savarez 540J "HT Classic") happens to compliment the sound of both guitars well. In addition, most flamenco players I have come across do not seek out strings marketed as flamenco strings, nor do they necessarily play on hard tension strings (though I do for both styles). When setting up any sort of guitar, experiment with string types and chose those that work the best for your hands and your instrument. Don't worry about what label is on them, because they are essentially the same exact product.
The most fundamental difference is in the braces inside. Flamenco guitar doesn't have a large brace under the bridge, instead it has 4 thin ones placed lengthwise or fan-like. That's what gives it a percussive sound. Nobody ever mentions that, I guess cus you can't see it.
😹I kept thinking my cat was crying to come in (she was actually outside, ready to come in) - but then I realized it was from your video! Thanks for the great info!
I’m a fingerstyle guitar player who plays a classical guitar. I’m considering a flamenco guitar because of the action of the guitar. What are your thoughts. I play popular music.
David, I'm not sure but I'm going to guess Mason William's 'Classical gas' was played on a cedar top. It's not a flamenco piece of music technically, I don't think, but sure has a flamenco feel to it in parts.
Hey, great video, exactly what I was looking for. I have played Bluegrass Finger picking for many years, and wish to expand my style to either flamenco or classical (both, really, as I have limited experiences with them and do not know which I will prefer). I browsed the comments, and think i know your answer, but as I can only afford one guitar, which style would you suggest to preform both on? It seems for the comments that you would recommend a negra flamenco due to it having the body guard. I would think the only real downside to that guitar would be the classical songs being potentially messy. So, which one would you suggest as a good compromise for both styles? Do you think each can preform them as well as I would like? (Nothing professional but I do like to play with others, sometimes in public settings). Thank you for your help and staying so active on this videos comment section!
+Bryson Sanders Ok, so given these are two styles of essentially the same basic instrument, I would recommend you either go with a guitar that is specifically set up for flamenco, or get a classical guitar and install a top guard. You can get a top guard from strings by mail or at most music stores. My first nylon string guitar was a classical that I adapted to play flamenco on, and it did reasonably well in both applications. Not an ideal feel or tone for flamenco, but certainly fine for study. Most factory made flamenco guitars have a high action like a classical guitar anyway.
+Bryson Sanders By the way if you want to see an active comment section you should watch my video on why the new star wars movie sucks :p ruclips.net/video/LtbaDPreO8I/видео.html
Dave, thank you for teaching us the elements that makes up a flamenco guitar. I wonder if you could share a resource on the elements of the clapping. In flamenco there is a distinct clapping that I could never get down. Even though I have Andalucian roots and actually lived in Southern Spain with my grandmother, no one ever really taught me in detail what you have.
Thank you. I've been looking for nylon string and do much finger picking style and wanted a nice nylon smooth sound. I shy from the wide neck ... so will look for a flamingo... would like cutaway as well as pick up in it...
There's something else to keep in mind if you use a thumbpick. I'm not sure if this is true of _all_ flamenco guitars, and I've never owned one, but every one I've ever seen or played as had less room between the strings and the top of the guitar than a classical guitar has. It's not a matter of action; it's just how the guitars are constructed. Thus I found my pick would constantly hit the top of the guitar while playing. I have two classical guitars, and it's not a problem with them. Now Chet Atkins played a flamenco guitar for many years (though not in flamenco style very often) using a thumbpick with no problem, so maybe there are some that give you more room.
It's also just really hard on the fingers if you're used to steel string and electric, now I'm considering getting a flamenco guitar instead of a classical for that very reason
Flamenco guitars used to have spruce panels 'let in' to the top of yellow pine or cedar, to make the tone more brittle. Haven't seen one for years now. Somtimes I've seen this effect attempted with stick on pick guards. They also invariably had taper [violin style] tuning pegs, i assume due to lack of access to machine tuners by artisan builders during the Franco years. PS I am old.
As I say, in the Franco years, a lot of flamenco guitars would have been made without access to machine heads, or possibly even the desire to 'modernise.'
Me; I owned my first commercially mass produced Classical Guitar under the 99USD range segment although still have a construction decent my Guitar is Valencia Model CG180 C but it is cutaway modern they have specialised Nubone Graphite composite Saddle technology with only ABS plastic on the nuts all from them provided normally packages the weird thing is the saddle that it can suspected to bypassing the Flamenco's required conventions, it is still a classical guitar But scrutiny is imposibble to examine the entire constructions any of the strings mounted can mitigates its flamenco like vibrations
Thanks for the video! I have a Valeriano Bernal La Serrania from Spain. Fairly sure it's a flamenco, but I prefer classical music and style more. Can I learn classical style and music on it or is that not recommended?
Hi David; for the classical one i couldn’t see if you played on metallical sound area. i think if the flamenco were played on the hole area it would have given more classical sound...
Which type of guitar would you consider best for playing Brazilian music (Bossa-Nova, Samba, and so on)? If you would have to chose from a Classical and Flamenco guitar for that, which one would you use? Thanks!
David, as a primarily electric guitarist, I have a question: how do you intonate classical and flamenco guitar? Because the bridge is fixed, unlike bridges in electrics which can be moved around to adjust length of each string and compensate tuning between open strings and the upper registries.
+daradidam You have to shape the bridge bone (saddle) in order to intonate a classical guitar. You can do this by taking away material from the front of the bone to lengthen the string (lowers the tuning), or cut a new bone than shortens the string (raises the tuning). You can also lower the action, which lowers the pitches of the guitar by lowering string tension where the string meets the fret, or vice versa. Generally, intonation of a classical is quite subtle due to the nature of the strings, which means that these actions have less effect than on a steel string guitar (even a steel string acoustic, which is difficult to intonate). This is because a small distance of string travel (pushing, pulling, tightening, or bending) on a string of steel yields a much larger variation of pitch. Good classical players will also adjust tuning on the fly for sustained notes, even altering thirds, etc. Of course, when you play with proper vibrato that changes the nature of being "in tune" quite a bit. I haven't actually needed to adjust intonation on my classical guitars. They've come pretty much set up perfectly. However, my electric guitars have all needed adjustment of various kinds, and I find the independent saddles on most electrics to be indispensable because of the nature of steel strings. Some classicals try to put those innovations in (or add truss rods, etc.) but they haven't really caught on with the mainstream because they are less critical than in the electric guitar world. Thanks for watching!
Seems like you might know better than most. Sorry to lay this on you but... Are Taurus high end or something? Because I have one that I cant find anything about. A 1966 model 52.
Well! There are a lot of cedar top flamencos...Jose Oribe, Ramirez and even your guitar a David Schramm has made cedar flamenco. I have seen many serious flamenco players use cedar, Sabicas, Escudero, Serrano, etc. Paco came along in the late 1970's using a Conda spruce. After that, EVERYONE wanted spruce.
Nice video (old as it may be, hey look, there's still someone watching it! 🙂) I gotta say though: Even if it is rare, it exists. The Antonio Lorca Model 16, for example, is a Flamenco Guitar with a Solid Canadian Cedar top. And it sounds pretty nice 👍 (not that it's extremely high-end, but still, not bad at all 😉) I guess I should go check out your flamenco technique playlist 😁 EDIT: That playlist is wonderful. I'd recommend to anyone reading this 👍👍
Thx I was about to sanding the nut down & saddle the saddle is to thin for the slot which is LONG & wide. High frets I was thinking I can tune it open & play slide.
Hi, David. I can't remember where, I had read something about the benefit of flamenco guitars having lighter (maybe wood-made?) tuners. I guess it had something to do with player's posture/fatigue issues. I'm just curious about it. Have you heard/are you informed regarding that matter ?
Two best ways to explain the difference between a violin and a fiddle.
1) It's a violin when you sell it, but a fiddle when you buy it.
2) A violon has strings, a fiddle has strangs.
The difference between water and H2O is thay water is what you drink and H2O is what makes up water
The bridge on the fiddle may have a more shaved bridge in order to make it easier to play double stops, but yeah. Exact same instrument just called differently depending on music played.
I was told that Flamenco guitars had some sociological reasons for their design. Due to the venues they were played in, some of the adaptations were made to get a brighter louder sound to cut through the noise of the venue, at the cost of reducing sustain.
Also, because they generally accompanied singers, mid-range was quieter to allow the singer to feature. Just from book-learning really, I am no expert.
Music stores around here do not have staff that know this basic information. Thank you so much for this video that cleared up the two guitars definition.
I studied flamenco back in my days and one feature of a flamenco guitar (however, I have never tested, because I have never had access to many flamenco guitars) is that the box is slightly shallower. Also, the wood of the box is thinner thus making flamenco guitars much lighter. Both of these add features designed to give the snappy, sharp tone unlike classical guitars that prefer more deeper and long lasting tone. All together, the flamenco guitar is designed to have the sharp tone because a guitar plays along signing and dancing (especially stepping), and if not for the bright tone, I might be difficult to hear.
Yes. This is what I was expecting to hear. Body not as deep, thinner, maybe even bracing differences. But instead we learn that he has simply failed to adequately lower the action on his classical, and thinks that's the difference. I have heard, that the strong tone of a classical is boosted by leaving the strings high, but am myself more concerned with how it would boost the torque on the neck, and with no adjusting rod, that means big money work or the garbage can for your guitar eventually. I lowered my classical action fairly low, and I can assure you it didn't make it sound like a guitar with a different body design.
@@michaelmcnally4868 I am not much familiar with setting strings higher or lower. Setting them higher will definitely have an effect on right hand techniques because any small adjustment can make a big difference on catching strings. This is seen and experienced while using capodaster (capo). I played some pieces on, say, 3rd with capo, but when playing without capo it was way different and more difficult due to finger muscle memory.
@@jackswiatek5221 I am new to adjusting saddles, so I got curious and searched youtube. Watched a video by Thames who I believe makes luthier quality classical guitars in the UK, though he sounded more like an American. The video was more about an extended saddle which allows you to adjust the setup height by sliding it back and forth. But anyway he said on the low E the height was a little over 3/32. That's 94 thousandths. And with the extended taller section (the saddle is ~1.75in longer than normal) slid all the way in, it would be raised to 5/32in(156 thousandths). 3mm=0.118" 4mm=0.157". I have in my notes that somewhere in the low 3's is good for the low E, 3.2=0.126". I remember that this quote is from someone who is doing setups a lot lower than what I commonly saw advised for classical, but I agreed with him. Now for steel string guitar, the guys that want an easy to play setup are like maybe in the 70's (thousandths) for the low E.
It is not only the forces on the neck that are higher with a high setup. The strings are also pulling more directly upward at the bridge, which puts more upward pull on the sound board, and a raised sound board is a common problem, more humidity related if the setup is correct. This is what makes me think that the guys out there saying a classical needs to be 5 or 6mm or something like that (at the neck body junction) are just helping to make more work for luthiers.
@@michaelmcnally4868 What you are saying is probably very correct. I don't approach playing guitar on that mathematical measurements. Some guitars are harder, some softer, some guitar makers specialize in one or both, etc, etc, etc. A guitar is a tree converted into a musical instrument and each one of them has a unique soul... or at least it should. I would imagine none is the same and each one of them will tend to have different attributes even if made to the same specs. One of the major one is that you can't make each guitar from the very same piece of wood, and driven from the differences in wood is the quality of the instrument and its sound.
I have heard that making good classical and flamenco guitars is becoming more and more difficult mainly due to the pollution in which trees tend to twist when growing and thus having uneven grain, or grain is too thick, etc, etc, etc. Study of itself.
@@michaelmcnally4868 Watch these. Two very different methods on making a guitar. I will try to put a link to it next, but sometimes youtube delete links. So put these into youtube
Making a Guitar | Handcrafted Woodworking | Où se trouve: Greenfield Guitars
Documental de la construcción artesanal de las guitarras Francisco Bros.
Guitarras Francisco Bros
To my ear a properly set up flamenco guitar's fret buzz provides a snare drum undertone that adds dimension to the percussive presentation. Usually played behind a singer and dancer this fret buzz and finger tapped percussion allows a single guitar to sound like a small combo sound wise. Just my opinion. Great video David.
Most flamenco guitars do have spruce tops. However this one cat by the name of Paco de Lucia R.I.P. almost always played a cedar top conde hermanos in a pretty serious fashion.
Yeah sure, why then not shell out like 15-20 k $ and buy a Conde cedar top? And, you might have to wait six months before you'll get it too!
@@TheHesseJamesdon't you have spruce in your country?
@@TheHesseJames Paco F7, cedar top flamenco guitar. $600.00
Hi David , I'm your new student , I'm 67 years old and I love flamenco music , specifically Rumba , I find your teaching unbelievable simple , practical ,easy to understand , in a few minuets I learned so much and not only that , but you have clarify so many myth and wrong believe about the guitar types, strings etc etc , muchas garcias desde Vancouver . Pepe
Jose H Thanks for stopping by and watching! Let me know if there is anything I can help you with.
yes I will thanks , very kind
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Thank you so much for your clear explination of the differneces between a classical and a flamenco guitar. I am a composer in the midst of writing a new Guitar Concerto and found your comments very helpful.
David, Thank your time, kindness and talent to pass others your wisdom. Keep going!
+Mikao Kavako (Kidmann) Thanks for watching!
I've played classical guitar since I was 12, and I didn't even know this lol. Thank you!
That was one of the best, most concise and easy to understand explanation, for players of any abilities. Thanks. After many years of playing Classical and steel string Acoustic, I learned something worthwhile again.
Wow! I've been playing classical guitars for 20 years. This video and the comments have taught me something new!
Thank you so much for this interesting video. Many flamenco solo player like to play a guitar with a high action because they want to have a clear tone with no buzzing strings. A classic guitar has more diversity of sound and you can play a lot of different styles of music. (From Barock to Latin)
This was a really well done video. It's not often that I leave positive comments on a video but you did a great job with the explanation.
Good review thanks, additional to your information: inside the guitar there are some differences at the construction too (the number and position of the "abanicos"), in flamenco guitar, the sound is brighter and fast, but must dissapear faster than in classical guitar, that is realy important to play faster and strong without having all the sound at the same time.
I cannot reply directly do you via youtube, Felix, since a setting in google+ has removed that ability for you, but here is an answer for whether the strings are the same on a flamenco and classical guitar:
For all intents and purposes, both types of guitars use the same strings. Some companies market and sell "flamenco" sets, sometimes with black colored treble strings, but these are not really different from classical strings of the same tension. I use the exact same sets of strings on my classical and flamenco guitars. I do this for consistency as much as because that set (Savarez 540J "HT Classic") happens to compliment the sound of both guitars well. In addition, most flamenco players I have come across do not seek out strings marketed as flamenco strings, nor do they necessarily play on hard tension strings (though I do for both styles). When setting up any sort of guitar, experiment with string types and chose those that work the best for your hands and your instrument. Don't worry about what label is on them, because they are essentially the same exact product.
thank you!
David Stewart Hey David can you explain the difference between classic music and flamenco music? I'm confused and I can't tell which is which!
try la bella flamenco strings. I love em!!
I'm looking through your older classical guitar videos for perspectives. Thank goodness you still have these up. :)
I took a lot of them down.
@@DVSPress Ah well, then I'm grateful for the ones I was able to watch.
Hi! Just to say that there is one crucial issue that needs to be corrected. One of the main differences between classic and flamenco have to do with the scale. This issue plays an important role in virtually all of the aspects (tone, sonority, playability ...). Classic 650 millimeters, Flamenco, 660. BEst
There is no historical evidence that shows any difference between classical and flamenco instruments with regards to the basic construction of the instrument and many players and builders say there is none. Pepe Romero says a test of a guitar - as far as how good a sounding guitar it is - is if it sounds good for both classical and flamenco. It is true that the percussive techniques used in flamenco playing require protecting the top with a golpeador and cedar being a softer wood may not be an ideal choice although there are luthier who use it. Flamenco players have a preference for a lower action, but that's a player preference not an instrument preference. A blues player getting their action set lower on their tele doesn't change the instrument from being a tele. As a guess many guitar historians think that the light back and sides were used on cheaper instruments because cypress was easier to obtain and less costly, and since the gypsies who played flamenco did not have a lot of money played them they became associated with flamenco guitars. If you can find a fine cypress bodied guitar set up for classical playing you should play it, they are awesome, perhaps better than the much more common Indian rosewood. The instrument with nylon strings that we all know and love really should be called the Spanish guitar, as this is the culture that has brought it to us, whether we play flamenco music, or classical music on it. We don't refer to any other guitar by the style of music that gets played on it. Classical pianists have a preference for Steinway and Bosendorfer pianos where jazz players prefer Yamahas but we just call them pianos. I have spent lots of time in Spain and played many instruments, a really good flamenco and a really good classical will sound the same when your back is turned as long as the player does not play hard and cause it to buzz. Flamenco builders are beginning to promote the difference between flamenco and classical instruments, but in my opinion it's more a marketing notion. As far as the tonal differences you can find a vast array of tonal palettes in both "classical" and "flamenco" guitars. Bright, punchy, crisp, full, round, etc. are terms that you will hear to describe either. There seems to be a preference for a bit brighter sound in flamenco, but players who specialize in playing baroque music as opposed to latin american will have different ideas about the ideal tone from the instrument. That doesn't make it a different instrument. I build Spanish guitars, if the player is going to be playing flamenco style it will get a golpeador on it, if they play only classical it will not. The action will be set by the players preferences and physical characteristics. I have set up many guitars for younger players or players with very small hands with a low action in order to make it easier for them to play- some flamenco players have their action set quite high if they have large powerful hands.
+Bob St. Cyr I've addressed this elsewhere in the comments, but I shall sum up:
The classical and flamenco guitar are different arrangements of the same instrument, this is true. However, those differences exist and I am constantly asked about them, hence this video.
My classical and flamenco guitar have very different tonal characteristics, and I desired this for stylistic reasons. I have many guitars, and I have many because they each do different things. So it is with these. It is a bigger difference than a Steinway and a Yamaha, in my not-so-humble opinion.
I will not doubt your quote from Pepe, but I have heard the opposite from other members of the Romero family, and, perhaps more importantly, I hear the opposite often from flamenco players.
Thanks for stopping by and good luck.
same guitar just the way they treat them and they don't treat them the same way :)
vei dorje Of course not.
FWIW, Pepe Romero is not someone that any real flamenco guitarist would want to emulate. He sounds classical, including when he's trying to play what little he has left of flamenco. Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic guitarist and I have great respect for him. But flamenco no es. So I would take his advice with a huge grain of salt.
If you have the money then you re going to get what you want. It really comes down to preference. Some people who only have one guitar whether it be flamenco or classical are to play whatever they want to play on it. If you have the means then you re going to buy what you prefer when it comes to sound and what action you re looking for. For years I played flamenco on a classical guitar. But years later now with money I own both types of guitars. But at times I’ll play Spanish on the classical and classical on the flamenco guitar. Just depends.
Same with the piano. I play recitals every so often. If it’s a voice type of concert I prefer Yamaha or Baldwin that have a higher brighter sound. Bosendorfers are just too light when there’s that much sound. If it’s a piano recital I prefer Steinway (pre 70s if possible)
In short it comes down to what suits your taste, what sounds good and feels good to groove on.
So knowledgeable... Being a Spaniard, it's just my 👂 who knows about all this, my head needed some more information. Thanks! 🙏
dear David
thanks for taking your time to make a guitar like this
However, I would like to add some points. There are great flamenco guitars made with Cedar Top, even Redwood top sometimes. Great flamenco virtuoso like Serranito, Manolo Sanlucar, Juan Serrano... all play great Jose Ramirez guitars made of Cedar top and Rosewood (Indian or Brazilian) back and sides. Many of the most famous guitars are also made with Cedar top: Gerundino Fernandez, Hermanos Conde, Valeriano Bernal... Spruce is just a more popular choice :D
Thanh Huynh Thanks for stopping by and watching! Your comment may actually illicit another video on the history of the flamenco guitar. Jose Ramirez (the original Jose Ramirez, who died quite a while ago) didn't explicitly make "flamenco" guitars. He just made guitars, and flamenco player will adapt whatever is suitable - Carlos Montoya played often on a "classical" guitar because of its better bass range compared to the cheap cypress and peg guitars that were popular in the then-budding flamenco scene. You're going to play whatever is the best available - and certainly in the past that was often cedar.
However, in the context of this video, I'm talking mostly about modern guitars, and in the modern era spruce is a near-universal choice for a flamenco guitar. Likewise in my experience flamenco-specific performers have all used spruce-topped guitars. There's nothing to say you can't use cedar (or even something else), just that it seems really rare to choose it for that style. Guitar makers are aware of this. As a result, virtually all the guitars you will find that are set-up as or marketed as flamenco guitars will have a spruce top.
For my part, I really do prefer cedar for most things; unfortunately that has fallen out of favor a bit in the classical world as well.
Additionally, I might add that I don't think I ever saw Juan Serrano play a cedar top guitar, either in practice or in concert. When I was a student of his (in the early 2000s), he played mostly guitars made by David Macias. They were all spruce-topped, so I presume he held similar opinions on spruce to other artists. There are always exceptions, though, so play what sounds best for your style and interpretation! Thanks for watching!
David Stewart Just a correction, Jose Ramirez did make a guitar that was influenced by the guitars flamencos used - called the tablao guitar. He also made guitars out of cypress.
thanks for replying. Yes, all of your info and perspectives are true. I only put in my 2cents on the " Spruce top flamenco guitars" based on my experience.
Wwish all of other arguments could come to this level of healthi-ness :)
*Explanations highly clear but in-depth, yet organised. Nice demonstrations and examples.* 10/10 + #NewSub!
Great video, that helped me a lot.
Thank you
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A terrific program. Thank you.
I am grateful to have learned this!!! All these years I did not know! I can tell you what necks and pick ups will brighten your electric, but not this. The contrarian in me wants to remind everyone that now has the "wrong" guitar upon seeing this video. My audience loves and is accustomed to Alembics and Dumbles, two of the most expensive gears in the electric guitar world. They did NOT care at all when I covered their beloved songs on a Fender if I did it right. Brad Paisley's fans can not hear the difference between Brad's 5K Klon and my 40.00 Klone. If you OCD on setting, ownership, sharing, appearance, technique and so on, you become like Jazz and Classical. Historical. Namaste.
very interesting David! I wasn't aware of the differences until now. thank you for the well delivered information. cheers!
Keep in mind some flamenco guitars are dark wood at the front, a brand that makes this type of guitar is Cordoba and Paco de Lucia himself played many songs with a dark top guitar. Im not sure if it was cedar tho, im pretty sure it was spruce with a dark finish. So for anyone seeing this, just know there are many flamenco guitarists that have played with a dark top. Many flamenco guitars try to be fancy and look slick by changing the type of finish on the wood. Just always make sure it says Spruce on the details dont rely on the colour too much.
Interesting and helpful. I’ve seen video of Flamenco greats like Paco de Lucia playing a cedar top sometimes.
From someone who knows very little about guitars and music...thank you. Great explanation.
Valuable information. Thanks for this video
Excellent explanation about a recurrent topic of discussion. Good job David.
Thanks for the concise descriptions.
Thank you for taking the time explaining the differences. Appreciated. Subscribed.
Very useful comments. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work.
Thank you for clearing this for me.
While you can fiddle with a violin, typically the fiddle bridge is setup more flat than a violin to allow easier access to double and even triple stops (bowing 2 or 3 strings at a time to make chords).
very informative and straightforward. didnt know about the top protector, thnx alot for the information
Thanks for an amazingly thorough comparison!
Hi! I want to learn how to play guitar and flamenco has to be one of my favourites. Should I get a classical guitar and learn the flamenco basics and then if I like it or once I get better, then maybe buy a flamenco guitar? thanks in advance.
Whatever is available and good is what I would play. You can always add a golpeador (top guard) to a classical guitar to protect it from the flamenco techniques.
Don't do that
Go for a flamenco class and buy a flamenco negra guitar
You can use this guitar for classical or bossa also
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Get both, ;)
I bumped by chance into an old man at my swimming session a few years ago. He worked with Pepe Martinez and "looked after" (he and his family put him up in his house and stuff) in the 60's or early 70's here in the UK and was with him when he did a few TV appearances and other performances. Long story cut short, he was gifted a Flamenco guitar by Pepe which he still had years later. Eventually he couldn't play any more due to age and took it to a local guitar studio. They took one look at it and offerred him a fairly hefty sum and that is the end of my little story.
I cannot reply directly do you, Felix, since a setting in google+ has removed that ability for you, but here is an answer for whether the strings are the same on a flamenco and classical guitar:
For all intents and purposes, both types of guitars use the same strings. Some companies market and sell "flamenco" sets, sometimes with black colored treble strings, but these are not really different from classical strings of the same tension. I use the exact same sets of strings on my classical and flamenco guitars. I do this for consistency as much as because that set (Savarez 540J "HT Classic") happens to compliment the sound of both guitars well. In addition, most flamenco players I have come across do not seek out strings marketed as flamenco strings, nor do they necessarily play on hard tension strings (though I do for both styles). When setting up any sort of guitar, experiment with string types and chose those that work the best for your hands and your instrument. Don't worry about what label is on them, because they are essentially the same exact product.
your face had a glow while holding your flamenco guitar after classical one :)
You just taught me something. Thank you.
The most fundamental difference is in the braces inside. Flamenco guitar doesn't have a large brace under the bridge, instead it has 4 thin ones placed lengthwise or fan-like. That's what gives it a percussive sound. Nobody ever mentions that, I guess cus you can't see it.
Thank you for explaining this. This is a useful video.
😹I kept thinking my cat was crying to come in (she was actually outside, ready to come in) - but then I realized it was from your video! Thanks for the great info!
I absolutely love the guitar David!
So glad I watched this video, thanks for posting!
My Paco F7 has a cedar top but is a Flamenco, it's a unique piece.
great presentation - thanks, David!
I’m a fingerstyle guitar player who plays a classical guitar. I’m considering a flamenco guitar because of the action of the guitar. What are your thoughts. I play popular music.
thanks for this valuable info, I always though there was something different between both.
David, I'm not sure but I'm going to guess Mason William's 'Classical gas' was played on a cedar top. It's not a flamenco piece of music technically, I don't think, but sure has a flamenco feel to it in parts.
I play both on either
Thanks for clearing that up!
I've built a few steel string guitars, but would love to make a Flamenco guitar.
Hey, great video, exactly what I was looking for. I have played Bluegrass Finger picking for many years, and wish to expand my style to either flamenco or classical (both, really, as I have limited experiences with them and do not know which I will prefer). I browsed the comments, and think i know your answer, but as I can only afford one guitar, which style would you suggest to preform both on? It seems for the comments that you would recommend a negra flamenco due to it having the body guard. I would think the only real downside to that guitar would be the classical songs being potentially messy.
So, which one would you suggest as a good compromise for both styles? Do you think each can preform them as well as I would like? (Nothing professional but I do like to play with others, sometimes in public settings). Thank you for your help and staying so active on this videos comment section!
+Bryson Sanders Ok, so given these are two styles of essentially the same basic instrument, I would recommend you either go with a guitar that is specifically set up for flamenco, or get a classical guitar and install a top guard. You can get a top guard from strings by mail or at most music stores. My first nylon string guitar was a classical that I adapted to play flamenco on, and it did reasonably well in both applications. Not an ideal feel or tone for flamenco, but certainly fine for study.
Most factory made flamenco guitars have a high action like a classical guitar anyway.
+Bryson Sanders By the way if you want to see an active comment section you should watch my video on why the new star wars movie sucks :p ruclips.net/video/LtbaDPreO8I/видео.html
Dave, thank you for teaching us the elements that makes up a flamenco guitar. I wonder if you could share a resource on the elements of the clapping. In flamenco there is a distinct clapping that I could never get down. Even though I have Andalucian roots and actually lived in Southern Spain with my grandmother, no one ever really taught me in detail what you have.
There are loads of Spanish speaking channels here on YT that will teach you any compas.
Good info. Thank you David.
I'm electric player. Can I explore classical, Brazilian, and jazz styles by purchasing CORDOBA GK?
Thank you. I've been looking for nylon string and do much finger picking style and wanted a nice nylon smooth sound. I shy from the wide neck ... so will look for a flamingo... would like cutaway as well as pick up in it...
Thank you so much for this video. Can you also play classical on a Flamenco Guitar? And what is a good beginner Flamenco Guitar? Thank you again 😊
Brilliant video David!!!!
There's something else to keep in mind if you use a thumbpick. I'm not sure if this is true of _all_ flamenco guitars, and I've never owned one, but every one I've ever seen or played as had less room between the strings and the top of the guitar than a classical guitar has. It's not a matter of action; it's just how the guitars are constructed. Thus I found my pick would constantly hit the top of the guitar while playing. I have two classical guitars, and it's not a problem with them. Now Chet Atkins played a flamenco guitar for many years (though not in flamenco style very often) using a thumbpick with no problem, so maybe there are some that give you more room.
Action on the right hand is intentionally low.
It makes the right hand techniques of the style easier.
I know. I'm just letting thumbpick players know they're gonna have problems more likely than not. They can always cut back the shank on the pick.
Nicely explained and demonstrated....
Great video, great explanation. ¡Felicidades, gran trabajo!
I hate high action. It introduces more buzz than it aims to eliminate.
NotOrdinaryInGames maybe you just suck lol
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It's also just really hard on the fingers if you're used to steel string and electric, now I'm considering getting a flamenco guitar instead of a classical for that very reason
Great video. Thank you.
Very informative! Thank You!
Thanks for stopping by!
Flamenco guitars used to have spruce panels 'let in' to the top of yellow pine or cedar, to make the tone more brittle. Haven't seen one for years now. Somtimes I've seen this effect attempted with stick on pick guards. They also invariably had taper [violin style] tuning pegs, i assume due to lack of access to machine tuners by artisan builders during the Franco years.
PS I am old.
The big advantage of pegs is that they are cheap to make and cheap to replace. Some modern players still use them out of tradition.
As I say, in the Franco years, a lot of flamenco guitars would have been made without access to machine heads, or possibly even the desire to 'modernise.'
Thank you for your information, all the way from a country side in INDIA
good points, esp fretboard position on soundboard.... nice.
The lower bridge makes it sound more banjo like to me. Love flemco
This was a great video. Thank you so much!
I like your guitars my friend. Good day.
Very informative video, thanks for taking the time..😊
Very cool video. Thank you!
Good video. Gracias hermano.
Paco played a ceder top from time to time and toward the end.
Would like to see more guitar vids from you - excellent playing!
Me;
I owned my first commercially mass produced Classical Guitar under the 99USD range segment although still have a construction decent my Guitar is Valencia Model CG180 C but it is cutaway modern they have specialised Nubone Graphite composite Saddle technology with only ABS plastic on the nuts all from them provided normally packages
the weird thing is the saddle that it can suspected to bypassing the Flamenco's required conventions,
it is still a classical guitar But scrutiny is imposibble to examine the entire constructions
any of the strings mounted can mitigates its flamenco like vibrations
very helpful for my intended purchase. Thanks ✌🏽
very useful information thanks
Awesome video. Can you show that little intro you did?
Thanks for the video! I have a Valeriano Bernal La Serrania from Spain. Fairly sure it's a flamenco, but I prefer classical music and style more. Can I learn classical style and music on it or is that not recommended?
Can you please recommend a good flamico guitar.
Hi David; for the classical one i couldn’t see if you played on metallical sound area. i think if the flamenco were played on the hole area it would have given more classical sound...
Which type of guitar would you consider best for playing Brazilian music (Bossa-Nova, Samba, and so on)? If you would have to chose from a Classical and Flamenco guitar for that, which one would you use? Thanks!
David, as a primarily electric guitarist, I have a question: how do you intonate classical and flamenco guitar? Because the bridge is fixed, unlike bridges in electrics which can be moved around to adjust length of each string and compensate tuning between open strings and the upper registries.
+daradidam You have to shape the bridge bone (saddle) in order to intonate a classical guitar. You can do this by taking away material from the front of the bone to lengthen the string (lowers the tuning), or cut a new bone than shortens the string (raises the tuning). You can also lower the action, which lowers the pitches of the guitar by lowering string tension where the string meets the fret, or vice versa. Generally, intonation of a classical is quite subtle due to the nature of the strings, which means that these actions have less effect than on a steel string guitar (even a steel string acoustic, which is difficult to intonate). This is because a small distance of string travel (pushing, pulling, tightening, or bending) on a string of steel yields a much larger variation of pitch. Good classical players will also adjust tuning on the fly for sustained notes, even altering thirds, etc. Of course, when you play with proper vibrato that changes the nature of being "in tune" quite a bit.
I haven't actually needed to adjust intonation on my classical guitars. They've come pretty much set up perfectly. However, my electric guitars have all needed adjustment of various kinds, and I find the independent saddles on most electrics to be indispensable because of the nature of steel strings. Some classicals try to put those innovations in (or add truss rods, etc.) but they haven't really caught on with the mainstream because they are less critical than in the electric guitar world.
Thanks for watching!
didn't really expect such an in-depth explanation, thanks for the reply!
Seems like you might know better than most. Sorry to lay this on you but... Are Taurus high end or something? Because I have one that I cant find anything about. A 1966 model 52.
Well! There are a lot of cedar top flamencos...Jose Oribe, Ramirez and even your guitar a David Schramm has made cedar flamenco. I have seen many serious flamenco players use cedar, Sabicas, Escudero, Serrano, etc. Paco came along in the late 1970's using a Conda spruce. After that, EVERYONE wanted spruce.
Nice video (old as it may be, hey look, there's still someone watching it! 🙂)
I gotta say though: Even if it is rare, it exists. The Antonio Lorca Model 16, for example, is a Flamenco Guitar with a Solid Canadian Cedar top. And it sounds pretty nice 👍 (not that it's extremely high-end, but still, not bad at all 😉)
I guess I should go check out your flamenco technique playlist 😁
EDIT: That playlist is wonderful. I'd recommend to anyone reading this 👍👍
Outstanding video, Thanks.
Thank you! Very Intersesting Channel you got going here!
Thx I was about to sanding the nut down & saddle the saddle is to thin for the slot which is LONG & wide. High frets I was thinking I can tune it open & play slide.
Hi, David. I can't remember where, I had read something about the benefit of flamenco guitars having lighter (maybe wood-made?) tuners. I guess it had something to do with player's posture/fatigue issues. I'm just curious about it. Have you heard/are you informed regarding that matter ?
Hello!
Is there such a thing as a 7/8 - or even a 3/4 Flemenco - with a narrow neck? Love to read an answer. Thank you.
I'm sure they are out there. I've seen 7/8 and 3/4 before; don't know about the neck width as that varies.
Thanks so much David..👍😊Warm cheers..👍😊🎶