Case 930 Looking into the Hydraulic Valve

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  • Опубликовано: 10 дек 2024

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  • @kevinfinnestad658
    @kevinfinnestad658 5 лет назад +2

    Really respect you Bandit and what you stand for which is hard work and character! Love your equipment and your videos. Thanks for sharing with us!

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +1

      Thank You Kevin, I figure you got to stand for something and use some commend sense and think about what your doing and you can do anything you want. I'm doing what I love to do and don't need to be keeping up with the Jones (They went broke years ago) and have all the new stuff but if you were to take a close look at the equipment there is a bunch of it in really good condition and low houred, It all works and does what its suppose to do so I cant complain about any of it. All the equipment and the farm are paid for so in a bad year (like this one) I don't have to worry about making payments on equipment I cant afford ! When you enjoy what your doing its never really like work. Bandit

  • @gerryhoffman5667
    @gerryhoffman5667 5 лет назад +2

    Doing good bandit, thanks for video,

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      You got to tinker to find out what's wrong and I'm pretty sure I now know what is wrong with it. More video's to come. Bandit

  • @burningdinosaurs
    @burningdinosaurs 5 лет назад +1

    Oh boy! More fun! That shaft doesn't look good! Got a junk yard around you can get another whole valve off of? Might be quicker and easier. Good luck! Thanks for the video!

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      When I take it off I'll take the casting down to my cousin and have him put it on his Bridgeport and run a flat drill down in it and he can make a bushing to put in it to fit the shaft. Only way I would replace the whole thing is if the spools are worn bad. But even if I got a used one it would more than likely need rebuilt too so I'll just fix what I have and be happy with it. The odds of getting a used one that's good is going to be hard being it 55 years old and might have the same ware mine has on it plus there is the 1/2 to 2/3 of new price too and beings the pump is made on the back of it its not going to be cheep so I'll fix mine . Bandit

  • @crslyrn
    @crslyrn 5 лет назад +2

    Sounds like a rebuilding of the hydraulic valve video coming soon. Stay safe.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +1

      That there will be a video that's coming for sure ! Bandit

  • @banditfarmer1900
    @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +1

    Well its a rainy Saturday June 15th so I cant do much of anything so its time to look into the Case at its hydraulic problem. This a low pressure high volume system so 1500 psi when its new but after putting my gauge on it its got 1200 psi. Now one side of the valve has 1200 psi and the other has nothing at all. The valve body has ware as you can see and the O rings are shot so a rebuild of the valve is in order. The bottom valve is the one that had been used for the last 50+ years so its wore out and is why I switched the hoses to the top valve to see if there is a difference and found I have the same problem in it as the bottom valve has so its something commend to both valves. I need to make some phone calls to see if I can get the parts I need from the dealer or not. If not there is a hydraulic shop in Wilmington I can go to and maybe they would have the parts I need to fix it with and I can make the gaskets if I need to. But at least now I have a good idea of what's going on and I can look in my parts book and Case dealer service manual and see how its put together and what parts are needed to fix it. Lord knows I have the time now to work on it. Wednesday I made up my mind not to plant because of rain in the forecast and so far we've got an inch so far and more is one the way ! I hope you enjoyed watching. Bandit

  • @chuckstevenson2929
    @chuckstevenson2929 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the video Bandit. Hope you get the hydraulic issues squared away soon my friend.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      I think I have it pretty well figured out now and know it needs a rebuild witch will be simple enough as long as I can get parts from CaseIH, But there is a hydraulic shop up in Wilmington I can go to get most of the parts for it from them. I might have to make my own gaskets but that's no big deal, Done it many times in the past. I'll get it fixed and I have plenty of time to do it now. Bandit

  • @AJmx2702001
    @AJmx2702001 5 лет назад

    I have seen my share of the rebuilds on the IH tractors so as long as you have a route to a Real Guru that will help and i will be interested to see what all you figure since i am always tryin to pickup a bit on what i dont know much about.. Thanks for sharing this and keep us in the loop

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      When you have never worked on one before its better to ask someone who knows these tractors better than you do before you make a mess of things. I have a parts book and a Case dealers service manual to go by but first hand experience worth its weight in gold ! Video will be coming. Bandit

  • @smokinstroker444
    @smokinstroker444 5 лет назад +1

    I'm working on a case 830 and the remote hydraulic lines are on the side top and bottom the left is one set and right side is the other set not across like yours try your gauge one one side and I bet it will work

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      You have a newer 830 than my 930 is for sure, According to my book bottom right and bottom left are one set and top right and left are a set. This is the way it was when I bought it and it worked fine. The older Case tractors are just like mine in there set up for the hydraulic's out lets but the newer one are different there like your 830 is. They have totally different hydraulic systems too, Mine is a low pressure high volume system, Yours has a high pressure system in it like all the newer ones do. Bandit

  • @ghenry85
    @ghenry85 5 лет назад

    Well, you pretty much said what I was going to say, change the oil, and see if you can either put a bushing in the pivot hole or worse case scenario weld or(maybe) braise the hole back to its original size( probably with a bushing too). The second idea may be stupid or impossible.
    Maybe do a rinse of sorts to get the cream out of the system.
    It's kinda funny, not we are kinda dry and need abit of rain. Can't seem to find a happy medium.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      I pretty much know whats wrong with it now and getting it fixed wont be much of a problem, If I cant get parts from CaseIH there is a hydraulic shop close to me I can go to to get the parts I need to fix it with and there good people to deal with and they really know there stuff. While its all apart everything will get cleaned good and new oil put back in and she should be good as new. I thought last year was bad but this year is worse ! Got more rain on the way late tonight and tomorrow so I have the time to work on it now. Bandit

  • @TheJohndeere466
    @TheJohndeere466 5 лет назад

    I am not familiar with these cases but most hydraulic spool valves only have seals to prevent oil leaking on the ground . Pressure to the remotes is sealed only by a very close fit between the valve spool and the valve body. I am talking like only tenths of a thousandths of an inch. To put it in perspective, paper is about 3 thousandths of an inch thick. So any wear in the valve body will allow leakage and the only way to fix it is to get a new one, or possibly using a precision hone to hone it out and then have the spool rechromed and then precision ground to restore the close fit.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      James I think the valve body is ok it just needs to be rebuilt. I figure there are bad O rings and bad springs and balls and there seats that need replaced more than anything. Its 55 years old and I doubt its ever been apart before so a rebuild cant hurt to try it before I go out and buy a used or new one to replace it. There is a hydraulic shop in Wilmington I can get parts for it if CASE IH doesn't have them and there good people to deal with and they know there stuff with hydraulics. Lucky for me I have a parts book and in it gives a description and sizes of the O rings and what the springs are as well as the Ball sizes as well as the seats too. So they should be able to match them up easy enough, I might have to make the gaskets but that's easy to do. I don't know how many rolls of gasket material I've gone threw over the years so that's no big deal to me to make my own gaskets done it many times. But when you run older equipment this is what you do to get by and still make money ! Bandit

    • @TheJohndeere466
      @TheJohndeere466 5 лет назад

      @@banditfarmer1900 are you sure it doesnt have a valve or something that converts it to single action cylinders. That would make it only have pressure on one outlet.

  • @SchnelleKat
    @SchnelleKat 5 лет назад

    Hopefully you got it all figured out. I'd know nothing about this hah.

  • @billfischer6464
    @billfischer6464 5 лет назад

    You may know this, but messicks has an awesome website for parts. They have the parts breakdown and price and all. I looked up parts for my 45 farmall bn governor. It's worth a shot, and if nothing else you can get part numbers and comparison shop.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      I have a parts book for the Case and a dealership service manual I got off Ebay after I bought the tractor. I have several dealers around here for CaseIH parts and there is a hydraulic shop not far from me that really know there stuff and I can get springs O rings the balls and seats too pretty much everything but the gaskets and I can make them myself if I have to and its not like I haven't made them before so no big deal to me. But I'll look up Messicks and see what they have on there web site and prices, Thank You for the info Bill I appreciate it, Never hurts to have options ! Bandit

    • @billfischer6464
      @billfischer6464 5 лет назад

      @@banditfarmer1900 no problem sir! You have helped many people as well as entertained us. Anything I can do to help I'll surely try. They even have an app you can download to make it easier yet. They are out of Pa

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      @@billfischer6464 I'm lucky to have met several guys in the last few years that really know there stuff that are willing to help a guy out on something like the Case. When you've never done something its good to be able to ask the question about how to do something before you screw something up ! I'll have to check them out and see what they have got and go from there. Again Thank You Bill. Bandit

  • @sawomirbanach7666
    @sawomirbanach7666 5 лет назад +3

    water in oil, when it was last changed?

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +5

      It was changed 4 years ago but it has sit in the barn for the last 2 years so its had a lot of time to get condensation in it from sitting. But its going to get changed and the entire hydraulic system flush out when the valve body get rebuilt. Bandit

  • @ericdziadosz7145
    @ericdziadosz7145 5 лет назад

    Does it have a hydraulic oil cooler anywhere on it, like maybe a heat exchanger in the hydraulic reservoir, or on the suction side of the pump? That could be a source of moisture into the system, especially if it has been under cover and not rained on.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      No oil coolers or heat exchangers and it reservoir is 4 gallon is in the rear end and the pump is made on the back side of the valve spool so the hydraulic lines on the tractor are the 18" ones that go to the couplers . This is a late 50 designed tractor so they kept things simple and less is better in this case. The moisture is coming from sitting in the insulated barn ware everything sweats from condensation . Its a well built tractor with a simple design and it was built to last and built to be easy to work on. Bandit

  • @leebreedlove881
    @leebreedlove881 4 года назад

    If you were able to get parts to rebuild your hydraulic valves I would like to know where you got them. I have an 841 case with the same valves and the same problem

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  4 года назад +1

      You can call Little's Farm Supply 1-937-288-2318 they were a JI Case dealer and still work on and get parts for them and they have good used parts too . Bandit

    • @leebreedlove881
      @leebreedlove881 4 года назад

      @@banditfarmer1900 thanks alot.hope we both are successful in getting them fixed

  • @richardwilkens4577
    @richardwilkens4577 5 лет назад +1

    Could it be a flout detent

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      Could be but I'm thinking about a broken or weak spring or a stuck ball. What ever it is it for sure needs a rebuild of the valve to make it right again and that's what I'm going to do. I'm waiting for the dealer to call back to see if they can get the parts for it or not, But there is a hydraulic shop close I can get the parts to rebuild it with and make my own gaskets I need. Bandit

    • @richardwilkens4577
      @richardwilkens4577 5 лет назад

      Yes your right but possibly bad o rings too

    • @richardwilkens4577
      @richardwilkens4577 5 лет назад

      You can email me directly if you wish rckwilkens@gmail.com

  • @jimlewis1992
    @jimlewis1992 4 года назад

    is 1200 psi normal for these tractors?

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  4 года назад

      Without looking in the book I think new it had 1500 psi in the system, These were a high volume low pressure system. This was the last year (1963) for the low pressure system as the next year they went to the high pressure system. Bandit

  • @forestlawrencegrading9154
    @forestlawrencegrading9154 5 лет назад

    You're right if it ain't one thing it's another I thought you parked it for a misfire and you're ending up putting a hydraulic valve body on it

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +1

      I stopped using it because of the miss it has that comes and goes, Its had an issue with the hydraulics for a year before I parked it and when I got it running again the hydraulics were working good but it didn't take long to be back to like it was before. So getting a chance to get into it I found what the problem is and now I just got to take it apart and fix it. I'm hoping that a dose of injector cleaner and a hard days work will fix the miss, At least that's my hope ! Bandit

  • @coachplayerdevelopmentlamo300
    @coachplayerdevelopmentlamo300 4 года назад

    where do you add the oil?

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  4 года назад

      On the left hand side just in front of the valve body there is a 1/2" pipe plug you take out , And as long as the oil is in the cavity under the plug its good to go. Bandit

  • @SoybeanFarmer3300
    @SoybeanFarmer3300 5 лет назад

    cousin, do you ever just want to say, its Saturday its raining I'm tired and I think I'll go and take a nap? the hydraulics on my Ford 4000 are crap! one of the ports on the switch is marked lift and it has 1200 PSI the other side only has 400 PSI so every time I connect a remote I have to make sure I connect the lift side of the cylinder to the side marked lift on the switch. I hate that thing.... I want you to take a day, a full day and just get some rest, just my opinion on what I think will do you some real good.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      Oh there have been plenty of times I just wanted to take a sick and tied day and just goof off all day. But I have so many things I need to get done and all the rain is keeping me from doing a lot of them , Its hard to clear brush with the skid steer when its nothing but mud ! And its hard to bush hog when its so wet so things get put on hold. Right now I'm dealing with a summer chest cold, How I got this I'll never know and with it so hot and muggy it makes it hard to breath when you go out side so the last couple of days I'm been spending a lot of time in the house working on video's. This is the first year that I never got a seed in the ground, Had 2 chances but I'm glad I didn't plant cause it would have rotted in the ground from being under water too long. Its a first for me and it had to happen sometime, I said last year that this year had to be better cause it cant get any worse ! Well guess what, It got worse ! LOL Well all I'm out is 200 gallon of diesel fuel I bought, Never picked up the beans or fertilizer so I guess I'm doing better than most. There are guys around here that have planted the same fields 3 times and still don't have a crop in the field. This is going to be the end for some farmers but I'm making plans for next year ! Bandit

  • @larryraynor3311
    @larryraynor3311 5 лет назад

    Bandit have you got ya beans in the ground yet???

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      Nope, Aint going to be any beans this year. Too much rain . July 2 was the last time I could have planted but it would have been iffy going into the ground so I didn't plant any, Those that did found out for the 2nd or 3rd time beans that are under water for 24 hours don't grow, They rot in the ground ! First time in my life not to get a crop in the ground but it is what it is and they aint nothing I can do about it but plan for next year . Bandit

  • @John-viheavyequipment
    @John-viheavyequipment 5 лет назад

    was this before it started running weird?

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад

      It had this problem for about 3 years of course the last 2 its been sitting in the barn so its not a new problem. But this is the first time I've fooled with it to see whats wrong with it. When you buy anything used your going to run into things wrong with it, This is nothing new to me and I did buy it off Ebay 1000 miles away so buyer beware ! LOL Shoot even when there close by like the 1550 utility 3 miles away I bought it and found out the hydraulic pump was bad as well as the pto clutch pack and the long pto drive shaft and the hub on the flywheel, Al together about $1500 in parts alone but when I get the time and extra money I'll be fixing it because the tractor is worth fixing and putting some money into it. 1 of 550 built and 1 of 138 built as a diesel of the 550 built so she is a little on the rare side. Bandit

  • @bigDH123
    @bigDH123 5 лет назад +1

    You might get lucky and find something at a wrecker.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +1

      There is a hydraulic shop up in Wilmington I can go to and get O rings and springs and the balls and seats and pins, There good people to deal with and that's all they do is hydraulic's and they know there stuff ! What it would cost at a junk yard 1/2 to 2/3 cost of new for a little more you have new parts to fix it with and you know its right when you done. Nothing wrong with used parts and I've bought plenty of them but in hydraulic's your better off with new stuff. Bandit

  • @mikemerry8528
    @mikemerry8528 5 лет назад

    well it sure beat making payments every month on a new machine and then fixing it also so just sit back and enjoy your 55 year old tractor that is PAID FOR

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +1

      I'd rather fix what I have and know its right when I'm done, It will do about everything I want it to and for what it is (big tillage tractor) it fits with what I'm doing. To replace it with a newer tractor I would be in the 6 to 9 thousand dollar range so fixing mine makes a lot more sense to me plus like you said its paid for ! That's the best part ! Bandit

    • @matthewtaylor2185
      @matthewtaylor2185 5 лет назад

      @@banditfarmer1900 and nice to know that you don't have to deal with complex and trouble prone EPA regulated equipment. I love the old stuff.

    • @banditfarmer1900
      @banditfarmer1900  5 лет назад +1

      @@matthewtaylor2185 I really don't want any of the new stuff cause you cant work on it unless you got a computer to plug into it. I like the old stuff cause I can fix in myself and don't have to pay $285 an hour for a mechanic to come out and work on something. So I'm more than happy to keep running my old stuff and working on them when I have to . Bandit