If they don’t hand over Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu, perhaps in the near future, it could be Malaysia’s biggest debt that could swallow Malaysia’s revenue due to Interest rates year on year. Many or some Malaysians are ignorant and ignorant about it because they are blinded by greed for Philippine wealth and possessions.
Malaysia cannot afford to lose Sabah. If they return Sabah to the Sulu Sultanate/Philippines, the entire country of Malaysia will collapse in a few years because nearly 50% of their oil revenue on which they live on comes from Sabah! Its like Islamic Malaysia is sucking breast milk from another person's wife and refuses to un-latch. Philippines should smack and smash Malaysia's face if he still refuses to let go.
Finally, the sultanate of sulu will get justice - from the landgrab, greed of malaysia. All filipinos/govt should support the Kirams uphold filipino dignity.
Many Malaysians are in denial mode as they are brainwashed by their government with political spins and fake revisionist history to justify their illegal claim of North Borneo. Why is Sabah not being developed by Malaysia despite being the proverbial Golden Goose that lays golden eggs for them? This is obviously because sooner or later, Malaysia anticipates the truth will be revealed and rather than spend funds generated by oil on Sabah which they will eventually lose, they’d rather develop other parts of their country which is not contested.
The legal basis of the Philippines’ claim rests on three arguments. First, the cession of 1704 by the Sultan of Brunei to the Sultan of Sulu of the territory of North Borneo in gratitude for the latter's help in quelling a rebellion vested sovereign rights to the Sultan of Sulu over the territory. This is a historical fact. Second, the lease of 1878 executed by the Sultan of Sulu on 22 January, 1878, in favour of Baron von Overbeck and Alfred Dent was a contract of permanent lease and not a contract of cession as alleged by the British. It could not be otherwise since Overbeck and Dent acted as private individuals. This is supported by the fact that there was a continued payment of annual rentals to the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu by the North Borneo Company until recently. And thirdly, that the interpretations of the rules of international law regarding a territorial lease strongly support the Philippine claim that sovereign rights could not have been acquired by Overbeck and Dent to the territory of North Borneo. This is because, in international law, a lease agreement between states does not constitute a transfer of sovereignty and there cannot be a transfer of sovereignty to individuals.-THEASEANPOST
@Hope Lope Your version of the story is a good as mine, maybe or maybe not. It will only be a matter of time for the Philippines to bring it into the Permanent Court of Arbitration as we did in the territorial dispute on West Philippine sea. Malaysia avoided any attempt for international arbitration and belittling the case as non-issue and yet afforded to send an observer during the west Philippine sea trial.
Philippines/Filipinos needs to reflect on our Lemurian past because then you might understand the eternal karma coming to our enemies. It will bring you some peace of mind 😊
My neighbor in Sabah told me he is the great great grand son of sultan of sulu. He lives in Malaysia and wants Sabah to be part of Malaysia. Case settled 🤣🤣
@Hope Lope I hope if we bring it to the Permanent Court Tribunial Case like in the West Philippine Sea issue the UN and the Signatories should have a "POLICE POWER" to enforce the rulling and kick out the Malaysian and MILF-BIFF on Sabah on what the West Philippine Sea Arbitrational Case is lacking
@Hope Lope Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide.
Yes, it must be made known all over the world that Sulu finally lost in various courts of appeal. Latest as in June 2023: 1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. 2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. 3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost. 4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Now is already October 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m (USD6.6m) spent.
Malaysia will take toll fee every ships that will pass through Malacca Straight, and also Philippines. In Sibutu Straight. The reason the government of British award it to Malaysia.
British coercive manipulations and actions to Illegally cede territories of such veering nations to form new countries or states to be their proxy vassal are the cause of today’s geopolitical conflicts or misunderstandings.
@@philip6471 in your dreams..if sabah really belong to PHILIPPINES why don't you come to sabah..i will pick you up at the airport .give me your contact now so we can arrange..and when you meet me in sabah say it in my face that sabah is Philipines so i can clean you up
@@Nonames997 give your contact number then follow the international Court and pay the rent you talk big but you can even follow the agreement you don't follow the international Court how can the world trust Malaysia when you behave like a child you even not follow what the Manila Accord you can't be trusted.
It would have been better if the sultan of sulu resided in sabah before the formation of malaysia. He would have been one of the rotating monarch of malaysia today and what's more, he would have been earning a part of the oil royalties there. If at that time he was not recognized, in the long run, he could have developed his prestige, strong enough to be a force to be reckon with, a leverage much needed in the formation of malaysia.
Wishful thinking. That is the type of mentality Malaysians have coveting territories of their neighbors and trying to justify their interest by whimsical conjectures. All in the name of expanding their territorial land mass they will say anything even the absurd. Anyway, thank you for acknowledging that indeed Sabah belongs to the Sultanate of Sulo. And mind you, you have repressed the true owner for several decades, karma finally caught up!!
Sultan Jamalul Kiram II Ibni Sultan Jamalul Al Alam, Sultan Sulu and North Borneo ( Sabah) had only one child, his son and the heir of Sultan Jamalul Kiram II and his wife Dayang dayang Masnunah binti Datu Omar Ali was his late Majesty, Sultan Julaspi Kiram Ibni Sultan Jamalul Kiram II, Sultan Sulu and Sabah 1962. His late Majesty wife's Dayang dayang Masnunah binti Datu Omar Ali was a Princess from Ranau and Tambunan, North Borneo ( Sabah).
Prove it then that that the Paris court has no jurisdiction. . Is this why your parliaments is now in panic mode and in total disarray? Much to the point that they are in-fighting and blaming each other? LMAO LOL.....if the Paris court was inconsequential then why even break sweat over their ruling??
@@baldeagledelta3482, the Paris Court ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate and since been set aside and annulled the Paris Court of Appeal. The main reason of judgement in setting aside and annulling the Paris Court ruling was the question of jurisdiction. 1. The arbitration award was based on the arbitration by Spanish arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa. Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator had been annulled by Spanish judicial authority and his arbitration was also annulled. Stampa action of bringing the case in Paris Court when Madrid Court had already made decision on the case was seen by Spanish judicial authority as contempt of court and professional intrusiveness. Criminal proceeding had also been taken against Stampa. 2. There was no arbitration clause in the agreement concerned. Any dispute should be referred to Queen's Consul General of Borneo, it meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement.
When Sulu won in Paris court, the news was widely and overwhelmingly reported and highlighted by many Filipino media. It was very funny when Sulu lost in various courts of appeal, not only they failed to get the USD14.92B compensation but they has to pay Malaysia €100,000.00 as legal cost, almost all Filipino media were silent about it.
The argument here is why does the Malaysian govt paid them? 😂 it really means something, but they wouldn't recognize it 😂 omg and people are defending Malaysia 🙄 😂
Wooooowwwww "15Bilion dollar" award to Kiram Family 😂😂 will become super rich royalty 😮😮 .. but as for today 1by1 court in EUROPEAN country dismiss n just throws they claim against Malaysia 😂😂 but waitt this not be stop next will be higher EU Court n ICC (The Hague) where we Malaysia will put checkmate to the ground forever to them😂😂.. get ready to losing big time again "Kiram Royalty Family" 😜😜😜
The Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was said to be once under Sulu Sultanate. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu Sultanate because Sabah was given by Brunei the original owner to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei to fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. In fact on 29 December 1877, the Sultan of Brunei ceded the whole of Sabah to BNBC/British and concurrently appointed Baron Von Overback, the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. This cession agreement was documented. When BNBC went to Sabah to begin their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu. BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. This "pajak'' agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. BNBC understood that this "pajak" was a "cession", so did early generation of Sulu Sultan accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claimed that the "pajak" agreement was meant to be "rent" or "lease''. Still there was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. The two above events led to an overlapping issue on Sabah. What ever it was, the above agreement and overlapping issue were superceded by later event. On 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory. In 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner of Sabah Britain had full control and sovereignty over Sabah and they could do what ever they wanted. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. What ever happened to Sabah after that was under British jurisdiction. Even though British had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual "cession money" payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed in 1963, still honoured the annual "cession money" payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. The term "cession money" was used because to use the term "consolation" was felt to be too degrading. Thus the term "cession money" was continually used as used before by the British. Even the argument about the word "pajak" and it's meaning in the "pajak" agreement still favoured the British. The "pajak" agreement was written in classical Malay, in jawi script (Arabic alphabet). Malay is the national language of Malaysia and Brunei, and mother tongue of majority Malaysians and Brunei. In those days, Malay was also used by people of Sulu because Malay was the "lingua franca" of this region including the present Philippines. That was why the agreement was written in Malay. But over the years Sulu people had lost their Malay language (standard Malay) because of several reasons like colonisation by different European. This made Sulu relied on translation of the agreement. Things got worse when they translated it to Sulu's local language, be it Tagalog or Tausug, which was rather translation of another translation, that they translated it to their favour. The word "pajak" carried several meanings depending on the contact used in the sentence or passage. It could mean "tax, rent, pawn, lease, or cession". In the agreement between BNBC/ British and Sulu, the word "pajak" was used together with the phrase "selama-lamanya" which meant "forever". When "pajak" was used together with the phrase"selama-lamanya", in this contact the word "pajak" meant "cession". Cession means "the formal giving up of rights, property or territory by a state". When Sulu "pajak" Sabah to BNBC it meant Sulu ceded Sabah and it meant Sabah no longer belonged to Sulu. This was further clarified. There was a second agreement which was a supplementary to the first agreement known as "Confirmation of Cession of Certain Islands Agreement". It was regarding certain islands between Sabah and Sulu which they were not sure whether they were included in the first agreement or not. In this second agreement, the word "pajak" was no longer used because they thought it might lead to misunderstanding by later generation. Instead the word "menyerahkan" which meant "surrender" was used, and the annual payment was increased from 5,000 dollars to 5,300 dollars due to certain islands included. Another example where the Philippines generally or Sulu in particular misunderstood due to wrong translation or translation to their favour, was about the clause that the territory could not be transfered to another party. Yes, there was a clause that Sabah could not be transfered to another party "... without the consent of 'Duli Queen'...". The British translated "Duli Queen" as "Her Britannic Majesty", even though it was not correct literally but it was correct in the meaning. The "... Queen" was referring to Queen Victoria, the ruler of England / Britain at that time. But Sulu translated "Duli Queen" (or rather translated from a translation) as "Their Majesties' Government". This led to an understanding that "Duli Queen" was the ruler of Sulu. The question was since when Sulu as a Muslim state had a female as their ruler (Sultanah or Queen)? The above showed that North Borneo (Sabah) had indeed been ceded to Britain, that was why it could not be transfered to another party without the consent of 'Duli Queen' (Queen Victoria), the ruler of England/ Britain at that time. And further it was stated that any dispute about the agreement had to be referred to the "Consul General" being the Queen's representative in Borneo to be resolved. It meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement. This fact became the main reason of judgement by Paris Court of Appeal in setting aside and annulling the Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. On 31 August 1963 Britain gave independence to Sabah and before that on 22 July 1963 Sarawak was given independence. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says: "I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia". Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website. About the arbitration award by Paris Court to Sulu of US$14.92B, it had since been set aside and annulled by Paris Court of Appeal. Here is the latest situation. Latest as in June 2023: 1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. 2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. 3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost. 4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Now is already October 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about US$6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m spent.
Now is already December 2023 and still no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
I DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT SABAH IS OWNED BY THE PHILIPPINES BUT FOR SURE SABAH IS OWNED BY THE SULTAN FROM SULU WHICH MAKE SABAH UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF PHILIPPINES EVEN MALAYSIA KNOW’S THAT. THAT’S WHY THEY ARE PAYING LEASE TO THE SULTAN. HOWEVER, MALAYSIA JUST DON’T WANT TO RETURN SABAH TO THE SULTAN OF SULU BECAUSE IT IS GENERATING A LOT OF INCOME FOR THEM. THAT’S THE FACT
As per attorney Roque pinagkatiwala na ng sultan ang sabah sa gobyerno ng pilipinas sa panahon pa ni President Macapagal kaya gobyerno na dapat ang makialam at may hawak nyan . pero mag kakaroon parin ng share ang heirs ng sultan sa Sabah .
The French, fortunately, legally established the claims of the Sultanate of Sulu and Sultan Jamalul Kiram'd claims over Sabah. Thanks to the Spanish historian who provided proof of that claim in the French court. Vive Le France! Via Viva Espana! We now have basis to fight to define "cession lease."
@Hope Lope If we don't agree over the glaring ownership of the Kiram's over Sabah and the Philippines' objection to the bias of the British in favor of the Malaysians being a member of the Commonwealth, we can always go to war. You can start by making martyrs of the prisoners in the Lahad Datu incident and we can proceed from there. You do not fool us that you are not covertly sending terrorists to Mindanao like the MNLF says. And the French were probably making a pitch for the Philippines to buy Scorpene submarines.
@Hope Lope Why is Malaysia still paying the pajak? Malaysians also invaded the Sipadan being inside the EEZ of Indonesia. Soon enough, we will go to war against Malaysia.
@Hope Lope It is for the Sultan to tell us that. Until Pres. Duterte, we from Mindanao and Visayas do not believe the Tagalogs in Manila. They are landgrabbers. Roman Catholics ate also corrupt. There are a significant number of Protestants in the Philippines raised by American missionaries who support the Sultan.
@@normannabatar6260 remember Filipino Tayo no matters what happened we are Filipino Luzon visaya Mindanao Saba 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭 we have one country that is Philippines taposon na mga pagaawa mag bago na Tayo for the next generation we will unite 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭✌️👊🙏
lol British North Borneo rented Sabah from Sulu Sultanate in 1878.Malaysia has nothing to do with it coz it is under British North Borneo.Now BNB is no longer existed,we dont have to pay the rent.We pay the rent until 2013 and stopped.Because of the Lahad Datu invasion.Ask British to pay for the rent.We aren't involved in this situation
@ 1:03 ~ supporters and sympathisers......follow this development...... Up to now December 2023, are the followers and sympathisers still active? When Sulu lost in various courts of appeal and failed to get the USD14.92B compensation, and has to pay Malaysia €100,000.00 as legal cost imposed by Paris Court of Appeal, no comment, response or reaction from the so called supporters and sympathisers.
What ever happen you fight for Arbitration award that never reverse or stop. Your occupying a territory that is not belongs to Malaysia. This issue never stop unless you paid $15Bn to heirs of Sultan and bring back the Sabah to the Philippines. Sabah will never be in Malaysia. You can scape tempoary or delay by using any tactics but in the end Sabah belongs to Philippines. This issue last for so long and in the end the true owner and soverienty of Sabah CLEARLY says that it part of the Philippines.
ANOTHER WPS SAGA-- PHILIPPINES WILL NOW APPRECIATE HOW A ARBITRAL CASE CAN B SO INEFFECTIVE IF NOT ENTIRELY USELESS FOR A SOLUTION TO DETERMINE RIGHT OF CLAIM--
Only the true heirs of the Sulu Sultanate have the right and till now only the Kiram family is making the claim but the Kiram family is not the current heirs of the Sulu Sultanate.
@@jannchavez9257 what is their power to seize somebody else’s assets from a nation??only the Hague was recognized by UN to give any orders to a nation…have ever doing a job as police or lawyer in trial??seizing for a trial doesnt mean the assets for example a car will be taken away from the owner forever..it is only for investigations and by the time the trial is over the assets will be given back to the owners…also Petronas isnt a fully government entity like Bank of Malaysia…they’re only corporate entity..if you’re a billionaire you can even buy the majority shares in the company…lets say Sulu won the case and get the assets it doesnt change anything about Sabah’s status as one of Malaysian Federation members together with Malaya and Sarawak
Based on most Pinoy comments in here is so disappointing. I am Malaysian and from Sabah, I have friends from the Philippine too. But they always being respectful. From your comments in this channel, ARE YOU PROMOTING WAR? IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO? WE HAVE PEACE AND NO WAR IN THIS REGION, WHY ARE YOU PROVOKING BLOODSHED? As Sabahan we have our own culture and sovereignty, Sultanate Sulu claims are insulting and ridiculous.
Malaysia should have challenged any Court proceedings brought by the Sulu descendants...! The incursion of Lahat Datu does allow the Makaysian Government a right to some measure of compensation or rights ....! I would broker a deal that the Govt continues to pay its annual dues...! The RM62 million award is preposterous in the extreme...! Any monies payable (if any) can be off-set by the incursion and invasion of Lahat Datu ...! The descendants of the last Sultan of Lahat Datu will certainly want to come out of the lease as it is no more advantages to them pecuniarily....! One cannot blame them BUT the law is clear that the law will NOT allow them to come out of a bad bargain unless there are exceptional circumstances...! It is best for the descendants to NICELY & POLITELY talk to the Makaysian Govt...! Unfortunately for the descendants, the Malaysian Courts is NOT compelled by any law nor institutions of the land to recognise the said award...! I am willing to extend my services for free to the Malaysian Govt or to broker a deal for the sake of future peace..!
The sulo sultan want their land back they are willing to die for that..if you lease your land and its time to return it what kind of mentality is that..
Why they dont challenge because they have an aggrement with payment of yearly to the sultan of sulo what argument you want to say to the court your paying yearly...you should have represented malaysia in international court...
@@nattayamagallanes6857 The UN has long recognised that SABAH has belonged and is part of the Malaysian Federation...! If the UN ( including France) can accept the new birth of Isreal carved purely and recently from the independent and sovereign State of Palestinian then, the bloody French Court should the more accept that Sabah is rightly Malaysian by reasons of past conduct...! AT the end of the day, it depends on the lawyers ingenuity to make or defend a case....! If the Sulu award is to be accepted then every French, Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish, British & American colonies in the past can make retrospective claims...! The French Court has shot itself in the foot...! However, we being Malaysian and part of ASEAN, we can always come to some polite and acceptable agreement...! IF NOT, IT IS MY STAND THAT MALAYSIA HAS A PLETHORA OF REASONS MORE THAT I HAVE NOT YET MENTIONED, TO JUSTIFY SUCH A CLAIM AND AWARD AS FRIVOLOUS....! CHEERIO..!
Common it is a private deal between an individual you cannot just take a property lika athief in the nights what united nation got to do with a private deal between an individual you just come iwant your land..this is not america canada australia..just the british empire..impose on it thete is paper trail and dont believe the british referrendum on sabah on 1963..the newly formed malaysia the british incorporate to exploit..you cannot barge in like abully..president diosdado macapagal was right to uphold sabah let the casegi to international court...just malaysia submit itself....dont finish the oil and you have to pay..the rent since 2013
Are you a lawyer or a law student..?? If you are, good..! If you are NOT, then better still because you keep thinking of all the different factors and at the end of the day, there is no absolute right or wrong answer... just a politically accepted scenario...! International law is NOT trite or substantive law...! It's is a concept that carries different meaning to different ideologies and countries &. jurisdiction encased in cultural and historical events that shape it ...! Malaysian Govt has assets in many countries and they risk having their assets forfeited depending on the country the said assets are situated...! I best say no more...! You keep working that brilliant mind of yours..!
Any new changes is hard at first and its very understandable to the part of Malaysia but … the ruling and the International Tribunal court already spoke !!! Sabah is really and truly and will always be part of the … P H I L I P P I N E S ! ! !
Sulu lost in various European courts of appeal. Yes it is hard for Sulu and Philippines to swallow and it is understandable to the part of Sulu and the Philippines but... the ruling of Paris Court of Appeal already spoke. (it was not International Tribunal court that gave the ruling favouring Sulu but it was Paris Court and the ruling had since been set aside and annulled by Paris Court of Appeal) Sabah is really and truly and always be a component state of the... FEDERATION OF MALAYSIA.
no. Australia and US is for indiginous by the Sultan of Sulu and Malaysia tension is different the Borneo people in Sabah seek NATO and US help in 2016. The Sultan of Sulu Sold the Sea Oil to US and NATO which is why France is protecting the right of that claim. usually good move to sultan of sulu he sold the sea oil to US and NATO in exchange for protection to Sabah since philippines is weak enough to do it alone.
It’s about time, please give and pay back the Sultanate of Sulu, we’ve been waiting for this moment, please give it back and pay the Sultanate of Sulu, We love our neighboring countries as our President says Philippines is friends of everyone and enemy to none, but give justice to the Sultunate of Sulu.
To all claimer phino TROLL here, read this history first b4 claim sabah is ph in ur wet dream. Sabah as known as borneo is made of 3 diferent countries, Brunei, Indonesia n Malaysia, the right owner of sabah is sultan brunei n he give it part of borneo to sultan sulu n after sultan sulu jamalul kiram die in 1936 n not have any direct male heirs, british take over sabah, n yes filipina almost sucsess to claim sabah in 1962 after self proclaimer name Esmail E Kiram I give right to presiden diostado to claim sabah, but i think (PBB) disclaim they claim bec unsure real sultan sulu heirs or not, in 1963 british ceding sabah to malaysia n malaysia keep paying rm5300 to this self pro claimer sultan as disputed state (not rental) n in 1989 Philipina dropped all they claim in sabah to restore diplomatic realition between KL n PH 👍 In year 2013 after jamallul kiram III (Esmail E Kiram 1 son) attack sabah, malaysia gove (Najib Razak) stop give rm5300 a year to sulu heirs bec they already violate the term (mahathir mohamad said) i dont know what term their promise, In a 2017 sulu heirs claimant letter to british court but Foreign & Commonwealth Office rejected the Sulu claimants’ request to appoint an arbitrator due to reasons such as the claimants’ unclear identity, and suggested they take up their claim directly to the Malaysian government. In 2018 after Najib Razak gov (BN) fall n new gove P.akatan H.arapan era begin, in this P.akatan H.arapan include mahathir mohamad who first also BN gove join PH gove they all is a enemy of najib razak, at that time AG thommy thomas send letter to sulu heirs said he regret with najib razak gov stop paying annual cession money even know what happen in 2013. in feb 2022 sulu heir win in french court (not valid) bec using false letter made by thommy thomas to them, now my new gov already take action about thomy thomas mistake n the change to win is HIGH 😎
You're going further Sir. Go back to the root, Sabah were given by Brunei Sultanate to the moros in exchange of the help that they had given to the Sultan of Brunei. Since 18th hundred. Wake up!
@@fkoff7649 , First of all, the original name was called North Borneo, not Sabah. It's weird if the Philippines claim Sabah because it never sounds like the Philippines 😂 Hope your government would change the name
They are paying to sultanate of Sulu yearly before, until 2013 when they stopped paying anymore. And grabbed the total Sabah peninsula. So are they idiot bec. They're paying？
This is a total loss for Malaysia. If they pay, it confirms that Sabah is not theirs. If they dont pay, they will be forced to do so and lose Sabah at the same time.Malaysia has no exit.
Total loss? Here is the latest. Latest as in June 2023: 1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. 2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. 3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost. 4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Now is already November 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Malaysia had been around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m (USD6.6m) sprint.
@@carmenpantaleon3892 if the sultanate exists it should be a "daulat" a sovereign with lands, a ruler ruling it's people like Brunei and like the Malay rajahs', if not it is a nobody, it is just making noise, first you must have a throne, rule your country, uphold Islam and the law, prove your lineage and then claim the lands that you say belong to you and the rights that go with it.
It's so funny... Peninsula Malaysia is 2 times bigger than Sabah, why only need Sabah, here cannot meh? I hope Chinese run the Malaysia and it would be successful and rich😎
Malaysia land grabbler hahahaha.. Wait to siezed all malaysia assets all over the world and loose integrety to international community hahahhah.. Thats what you want hahahha..
Why show your displeasure here in YT? Show it in the International Court of Law not in social media. Malaysia should provide a counter proof to the legitimate claims of the Sultanate of Sulo. Sad though is Malaysia could not show any proof of ownership but only all hot air and all idle talks. The Sultanate of Sulo have all the legal documents of ownership at hand together with all receipts of rent issued as payment to them by the Malaysian government. What now? You want to complain, then why did your government not provide any counter proofs? All idle talk. Malaysian are fond of endless ngiaw ngiaw but no actions.
If they continue to refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the sultanate of sulu to sabah... Expect that more government property of Malaysia will be siezed...
British and the usa are best allies . And both are a member of nato. While ph and malaysia? World military Ranking MALAYSIA :RANKED 48 PHILIPPINE :RANKED 51
Panahon na para sobrang lakas ng military ntn para kung may ganitong setwasyon ay kunin sa dahas nlng kc sobra tayong inaapi api nlng kc alam nla mas malakas ang military nla
I think Malaysia shot itself on the foot, when they tried to financed the rebel group in Mindanao in order to occupy Sabah. Now decades of fighting has forged both the Philippine army and the rebels into hardened veterans adept in jungle warfare.
Hindi gagawin ng malaysia yun dahil may mutual defence tayo sa america kapag inatake nila ang pinas para na silang nagbigti nun matatalo na sila gyera lulubog pa sila ng husto at papatawan ng maraming sanction kawawa ang malaysia pag pumasok sa gyera.
If iam in the power i will not entertain any of this shit, my answer only war no more talk. Legal or illegal not in my dictionary sulu can remain in another page of history book.
I DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT SABAH IS OWNED BY THE PHILIPPINES BUT FOR SURE SABAH IS OWNED BY THE SULTAN FROM SULU WHICH MAKE SABAH UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF PHILIPPINES EVEN MALAYSIA KNOW’S THAT. THAT’S WHY THEY ARE PAYING LEASE TO THE SULTAN. HOWEVER, MALAYSIA JUST DON’T WANT TO RETURN SABAH TO THE SULTAN OF SULU BECAUSE IT IS GENERATING A LOT OF INCOME FOR THEM. THAT’S THE FACT
Please note with this message I am sure that there is going to be an understanding between US and Corona(China). They will have an understanding I mean 🇺🇸and corona. Here Australia and Japan will also be snubbed and they may come to an understanding that let's control pacific and South China Sea. This will be the new strategy by America. But I want south Asian nations to disagree with this and if it happens then India and South Asia nations including gulf should form a separate union to have their hold on Sea routes used by China and America in Indian Ocean. Australia and Japan should be strong to disagree if America tries new tactics against India. I know about these Americans and everything they want free at cost of other countries. Let's stop this attitude of America and let us protect Taiwan from China aggression. I want all South Asian countries ready to attack China if it tries to attack Taiwan. Why I am saying this is all countries surrounding South China Sea should be able to use the waters according to international policies of Sea waters.
If Malyasia will not accept the ruling, it will affect all the contract they are going going to enter in the future...it would mean they dont know how to honor an agreement and obligation that comes with it.. Recalibrate the contract and come up with an agreement that is agreeable to the sultanate of sulu and malaysia and ammend all unfair and unjust treatment to filipinos in sabah..
"...they don't know how to honour an agreement...". Which agreement that Malaysia didn't honour? If you are talking about the 1878 agreement, show the agreement in which the name "Malaysia" written in it.
Your country are the ones who started the 1970 Muslim rebellion in Mindanao by supporting the MNLF group. Reading this comment solidified my conclusions that Malaysians are really ignorant about their governments wrong doings
Latest as in June 2023 : 1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court lower court ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. 2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. 3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost. 4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Now is already October 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m (USD6.5m) spent. Sulu should recognize all the above courts' ruling and pay €100,000.00 to Malaysia as legal cost.
Malaysia should respect the law not acting as uncivilized institution, the people of Sultanate of Sulo should not be deported they are real owners of the land
Its was on wrongly Narated that Sultan of Sulu own Sabah but infact The Sultan of Sulu has no Rights over The State of Sabah Koz Sabah has its own Raja or Sultan ( American History on American Trading Company 18th Century )..
Malaysian did not recognize the French court award 11billion these his embarrassing to whole world violated the laws seized Sabah Philippines the island inherited Filipinos to their ancestors Muslims
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If they don’t hand over Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu, perhaps in the near future, it could be Malaysia’s biggest debt that could swallow Malaysia’s revenue due to Interest rates year on year. Many or some Malaysians are ignorant and ignorant about it because they are blinded by greed for Philippine wealth and possessions.
Malaysia cannot afford to lose Sabah. If they return Sabah to the Sulu Sultanate/Philippines, the entire country of Malaysia will collapse in a few years because nearly 50% of their oil revenue on which they live on comes from Sabah! Its like Islamic Malaysia is sucking breast milk from another person's wife and refuses to un-latch. Philippines should smack and smash Malaysia's face if he still refuses to let go.
Digmaan lang Ang makakabalik sa Sabah.
Agree ako dyan dapat girahin na ang malaysia pag nagmatigas
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
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Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
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Finally, the sultanate of sulu will get justice - from the landgrab, greed of malaysia. All filipinos/govt should support the Kirams uphold filipino dignity.
@@d.3984 Lol who told you that Philippines didn't acknowledge the Sulu Sultanate?
@@d.3984 they are in our history books.
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Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
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@@d.3984 magaling mag english pero ignoante lol
Many Malaysians are in denial mode as they are brainwashed by their government with political spins and fake revisionist history to justify their illegal claim of North Borneo.
Why is Sabah not being developed by Malaysia despite being the proverbial Golden Goose that lays golden eggs for them?
This is obviously because sooner or later, Malaysia anticipates the truth will be revealed and rather than spend funds generated by oil on Sabah which they will eventually lose, they’d rather develop other parts of their country which is not contested.
Never rent out property to a Malaysian or there British bf. They will claim the land because they have no ethics or principles .
The legal basis of the Philippines’ claim rests on three arguments. First, the cession of 1704 by the Sultan of Brunei to the Sultan of Sulu of the territory of North Borneo in gratitude for the latter's help in quelling a rebellion vested sovereign rights to the Sultan of Sulu over the territory. This is a historical fact.
Second, the lease of 1878 executed by the Sultan of Sulu on 22 January, 1878, in favour of Baron von Overbeck and Alfred Dent was a contract of permanent lease and not a contract of cession as alleged by the British. It could not be otherwise since Overbeck and Dent acted as private individuals. This is supported by the fact that there was a continued payment of annual rentals to the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu by the North Borneo Company until recently.
And thirdly, that the interpretations of the rules of international law regarding a territorial lease strongly support the Philippine claim that sovereign rights could not have been acquired by Overbeck and Dent to the territory of North Borneo. This is because, in international law, a lease agreement between states does not constitute a transfer of sovereignty and there cannot be a transfer of sovereignty to individuals.-THEASEANPOST
@Hope Lope Your version of the story is a good as mine, maybe or maybe not. It will only be a matter of time for the Philippines to bring it into the Permanent Court of Arbitration as we did in the territorial dispute on West Philippine sea. Malaysia avoided any attempt for international arbitration and belittling the case as non-issue and yet afforded to send an observer during the west Philippine sea trial.
Philippines/Filipinos needs to reflect on our Lemurian past because then you might understand the eternal karma coming to our enemies. It will bring you some peace of mind 😊
My neighbor in Sabah told me he is the great great grand son of sultan of sulu. He lives in Malaysia and wants Sabah to be part of Malaysia. Case settled 🤣🤣
@Hope Lope I hope if we bring it to the Permanent Court Tribunial Case like in the West Philippine Sea issue the UN and the Signatories should have a "POLICE POWER" to enforce the rulling and kick out the Malaysian and MILF-BIFF on Sabah on what the West Philippine Sea Arbitrational Case is lacking
@Hope Lope Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide.
This issue must be known all over the world! So the people are well informed!
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
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Yes, it must be made known all over the world that Sulu finally lost in various courts of appeal.
Latest as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already October 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m (USD6.6m) spent.
Malaysia will take toll fee every ships that will pass through Malacca Straight, and also Philippines. In Sibutu Straight. The reason the government of British award it to Malaysia.
Yari na..hahha
Britain never awarded Sabah to Malaysia,.the only awarded by Britain is the payment of the lease per year.
British coercive manipulations and actions to Illegally cede territories of such veering nations to form new countries or states to be their proxy vassal are the cause of today’s geopolitical conflicts or misunderstandings.
So can we hear some stupid comments from Malaysia ? Hahahaha!!!
@@bobbydelarosa6667 am read some stupid comments from philipino.😂😂😂😂
Malaysia not attending that court becoz they not the owner of sabah 😄
Come to sabah..give me your contact number so we can meet at sabah
@Hope Lope i already read your essay so many times and it's kinda boring now because so many people have proven that your essay is false..
SAME AS WHAT CHINA IS DOING.
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Facts
If Sabah declare independence from Malaysia then automatically Philippines and Indonesia will support it same with Sarawak.
Sarawak only because Sabah belongs to Philippines.
@@philip6471 in your dreams..if sabah really belong to PHILIPPINES why don't you come to sabah..i will pick you up at the airport .give me your contact now so we can arrange..and when you meet me in sabah say it in my face that sabah is Philipines so i can clean you up
@@Nonames997 give your contact number then follow the international Court and pay the rent you talk big but you can even follow the agreement you don't follow the international Court how can the world trust Malaysia when you behave like a child you even not follow what the Manila Accord you can't be trusted.
@@Nonames997 acting like a tough guy doesn't make you one haha
@@jeffchristianc.tabigue7351 oo nga tapang tapangan lng
The MORE you REFUSE to pay your RENT the more CHARGES you FACE.
It would have been better if the sultan of sulu resided in sabah before the formation of malaysia. He would have been one of the rotating monarch of malaysia today and what's more, he would have been earning a part of the oil royalties there. If at that time he was not recognized, in the long run, he could have developed his prestige, strong enough to be a force to be reckon with, a leverage much needed in the formation of malaysia.
There was a mistake by the Sultanate of Sulu why they have not pushed for the claim since the time the land was given by Malaysia
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
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Wishful thinking.
That is the type of mentality Malaysians have coveting territories of their neighbors and trying to justify their interest by whimsical conjectures.
All in the name of expanding their territorial land mass they will say anything even the absurd.
Anyway, thank you for acknowledging that indeed Sabah belongs to the Sultanate of Sulo. And mind you, you have repressed the true owner for several decades, karma finally caught up!!
@@baldeagledelta3482 whom are you talking to?
They chose to be part of the Philippines at the same time Malaysia was created.
Plus one point
Sultan Jamalul Kiram II Ibni Sultan Jamalul Al Alam, Sultan Sulu and North Borneo ( Sabah) had only one child, his son and the heir of Sultan Jamalul Kiram II and his wife Dayang dayang Masnunah binti Datu Omar Ali was his late Majesty, Sultan Julaspi Kiram Ibni Sultan Jamalul Kiram II, Sultan Sulu and Sabah 1962. His late Majesty wife's Dayang dayang Masnunah binti Datu Omar Ali was a Princess from Ranau and Tambunan, North Borneo ( Sabah).
SABAH, PHILIPPINES.
It's ok if they refused to pay or to recognize.. that's will be their another penalties from international Court
Prove it then that that the Paris court has no jurisdiction. .
Is this why your parliaments is now in panic mode and in total disarray? Much to the point that they are in-fighting and blaming each other? LMAO
LOL.....if the Paris court was inconsequential then why even break sweat over their ruling??
@@baldeagledelta3482, the Paris Court ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate and since been set aside and annulled the Paris Court of Appeal. The main reason of judgement in setting aside and annulling the Paris Court ruling was the question of jurisdiction.
1. The arbitration award was based on the arbitration by Spanish arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa. Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator had been annulled by Spanish judicial authority and his arbitration was also annulled. Stampa action of bringing the case in Paris Court when Madrid Court had already made decision on the case was seen by Spanish judicial authority as contempt of court and professional intrusiveness. Criminal proceeding had also been taken against Stampa.
2. There was no arbitration clause in the agreement concerned. Any dispute should be referred to Queen's Consul General of Borneo, it meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement.
IF THAT IS MALAYSOAN PROPERTY FROM THE VERY START...
WHY ARE YOU PAYING IN THE PHILIPPINES SIDE OF HEIRS OF SABAH THEN..
*GREEDY TENANTS*
indeed.true
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
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When Sulu won in Paris court, the news was widely and overwhelmingly reported and highlighted by many Filipino media. It was very funny when Sulu lost in various courts of appeal, not only they failed to get the USD14.92B compensation but they has to pay Malaysia €100,000.00 as legal cost, almost all Filipino media were silent about it.
yet the government is not even interested on supporting this arbitrary ruling
It was a private matter between eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu and Malaysia.
Just ignore french court they cannot do anything on sabah
Well they can lol
@@darrenminimo1127 Nope, its useless
@@darrenminimo1127 no
@@Megatilman1 they can and cannot
@@orianawr9579 they can and cannot
MALAYSIA…LANDGRABBER.??
Ibig sabihin ba nito binasura na ang apela ng Malaysia at final and executory na ang paghuhukom?
Malaysia is the real pirates! Not the Suluans. Imagine, they don't want to give back the land belonging to the rightful owners.
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
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The argument here is why does the Malaysian govt paid them? 😂 it really means something, but they wouldn't recognize it 😂 omg and people are defending Malaysia 🙄 😂
Malaysia and aquino has a special relation agreement. Please tell to the world the history about their relationship.
Wooooowwwww "15Bilion dollar" award to Kiram Family 😂😂 will become super rich royalty 😮😮 .. but as for today 1by1 court in EUROPEAN country dismiss n just throws they claim against Malaysia 😂😂 but waitt this not be stop next will be higher EU Court n ICC (The Hague) where we Malaysia will put checkmate to the ground forever to them😂😂.. get ready to losing big time again "Kiram Royalty Family" 😜😜😜
The Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was said to be once under Sulu Sultanate. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu Sultanate because Sabah was given by Brunei the original owner to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei to fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
In fact on 29 December 1877, the Sultan of Brunei ceded the whole of Sabah to BNBC/British and concurrently appointed Baron Von Overback, the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. This cession agreement was documented.
When BNBC went to Sabah to begin their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu. BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. This "pajak'' agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. BNBC understood that this "pajak" was a "cession", so did early generation of Sulu Sultan accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claimed that the "pajak" agreement was meant to be "rent" or "lease''. Still there was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. The two above events led to an overlapping issue on Sabah.
What ever it was, the above agreement and overlapping issue were superceded by later event. On 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory.
In 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner of Sabah Britain had full control and sovereignty over Sabah and they could do what ever they wanted. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain.
What ever happened to Sabah after that was under British jurisdiction. Even though British had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual "cession money" payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed in 1963, still honoured the annual "cession money" payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. The term "cession money" was used because to use the term "consolation" was felt to be too degrading. Thus the term "cession money" was continually used as used before by the British.
Even the argument about the word "pajak" and it's meaning in the "pajak" agreement still favoured the British. The "pajak" agreement was written in classical Malay, in jawi script (Arabic alphabet). Malay is the national language of Malaysia and Brunei, and mother tongue of majority Malaysians and Brunei. In those days, Malay was also used by people of Sulu because Malay was the "lingua franca" of this region including the present Philippines. That was why the agreement was written in Malay. But over the years Sulu people had lost their Malay language (standard Malay) because of several reasons like colonisation by different European. This made Sulu relied on translation of the agreement. Things got worse when they translated it to Sulu's local language, be it Tagalog or Tausug, which was rather translation of another translation, that they translated it to their favour.
The word "pajak" carried several meanings depending on the contact used in the sentence or passage. It could mean "tax, rent, pawn, lease, or cession". In the agreement between BNBC/ British and Sulu, the word "pajak" was used together with the phrase "selama-lamanya" which meant "forever". When "pajak" was used together with the phrase"selama-lamanya", in this contact the word "pajak" meant "cession". Cession means "the formal giving up of rights, property or territory by a state". When Sulu "pajak" Sabah to BNBC it meant Sulu ceded Sabah and it meant Sabah no longer belonged to Sulu.
This was further clarified. There was a second agreement which was a supplementary to the first agreement known as "Confirmation of Cession of Certain Islands Agreement". It was regarding certain islands between Sabah and Sulu which they were not sure whether they were included in the first agreement or not. In this second agreement, the word "pajak" was no longer used because they thought it might lead to misunderstanding by later generation. Instead the word "menyerahkan" which meant "surrender" was used, and the annual payment was increased from 5,000 dollars to 5,300 dollars due to certain islands included.
Another example where the Philippines generally or Sulu in particular misunderstood due to wrong translation or translation to their favour, was about the clause that the territory could not be transfered to another party. Yes, there was a clause that Sabah could not be transfered to another party "... without the consent of 'Duli Queen'...". The British translated "Duli Queen" as "Her Britannic Majesty", even though it was not correct literally but it was correct in the meaning. The "... Queen" was referring to Queen Victoria, the ruler of England / Britain at that time. But Sulu translated "Duli Queen" (or rather translated from a translation) as "Their Majesties' Government". This led to an understanding that "Duli Queen" was the ruler of Sulu. The question was since when Sulu as a Muslim state had a female as their ruler (Sultanah or Queen)?
The above showed that North Borneo (Sabah) had indeed been ceded to Britain, that was why it could not be transfered to another party without the consent of 'Duli Queen' (Queen Victoria), the ruler of England/ Britain at that time. And further it was stated that any dispute about the agreement had to be referred to the "Consul General" being the Queen's representative in Borneo to be resolved. It meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement. This fact became the main reason of judgement by Paris Court of Appeal in setting aside and annulling the Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
On 31 August 1963 Britain gave independence to Sabah and before that on 22 July 1963 Sarawak was given independence. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says:
"I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia".
Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website.
About the arbitration award by Paris Court to Sulu of US$14.92B, it had since been set aside and annulled by Paris Court of Appeal. Here is the latest situation.
Latest as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already October 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about US$6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m spent.
Now is already December 2023 and still no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
I DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT SABAH IS OWNED BY THE PHILIPPINES BUT FOR SURE SABAH IS OWNED BY THE SULTAN FROM SULU WHICH MAKE SABAH UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF PHILIPPINES EVEN MALAYSIA KNOW’S THAT. THAT’S WHY THEY ARE PAYING LEASE TO THE SULTAN. HOWEVER, MALAYSIA JUST DON’T WANT TO RETURN SABAH TO THE SULTAN OF SULU BECAUSE IT IS GENERATING A LOT OF INCOME FOR THEM. THAT’S THE FACT
As per attorney Roque pinagkatiwala na ng sultan ang sabah sa gobyerno ng pilipinas sa panahon pa ni President Macapagal kaya gobyerno na dapat ang makialam at may hawak nyan . pero mag kakaroon parin ng share ang heirs ng sultan sa Sabah .
Love to have another country.
The French, fortunately, legally established the claims of the Sultanate of Sulu and Sultan Jamalul Kiram'd claims over Sabah. Thanks to the Spanish historian who provided proof of that claim in the French court. Vive Le France! Via
Viva Espana!
We now have basis to fight to define "cession lease."
@Hope Lope If we don't agree over the glaring ownership of the Kiram's over Sabah and the Philippines' objection to the bias of the British in favor of the Malaysians being a member of the Commonwealth, we can always go to war. You can start by making martyrs of the prisoners in the Lahad Datu incident and we can proceed from there. You do not fool us that you are not covertly sending terrorists to Mindanao like the MNLF says. And the French were probably making a pitch for the Philippines to buy Scorpene submarines.
@Hope Lope Why is Malaysia still paying the pajak? Malaysians also invaded the Sipadan being inside the EEZ of Indonesia. Soon enough, we will go to war against Malaysia.
@Hope LopeThose are forgeries. The Sultan Jamalul Kiram said so. Else, they will not go to Lahad Datu to refute that.
@Hope Lope It is for the Sultan to tell us that. Until Pres. Duterte, we from Mindanao and Visayas do not believe the Tagalogs in Manila. They are landgrabbers. Roman Catholics ate also corrupt. There are a significant number of Protestants in the Philippines raised by American missionaries who support the Sultan.
@@normannabatar6260 remember Filipino Tayo no matters what happened we are Filipino Luzon visaya Mindanao Saba 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭 we have one country that is Philippines taposon na mga pagaawa mag bago na Tayo for the next generation we will unite 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭✌️👊🙏
lol British North Borneo rented Sabah from Sulu Sultanate in 1878.Malaysia has nothing to do with it coz it is under British North Borneo.Now BNB is no longer existed,we dont have to pay the rent.We pay the rent until 2013 and stopped.Because of the Lahad Datu invasion.Ask British to pay for the rent.We aren't involved in this situation
As you said, since BNB no longer exist you dont have to pay rent anymore. You have to return it now.
If malaysia has nothing to do with it, then malaysia should not touch sabah nor explore its natural resources..
@Hope Lope why would the british pay sultan of sulu if malaysia owned it? Don't be stupid
@Hope Lope there are presented documents regarding your questions. The arbitration members are not dumb
Then why don't your lawyer argue that to the arbitration comm.?
hopefully China can claim Philippines sea territorial too..😂😂😂
if they wont pay kick them out
Taking Sabah by force is now legal since it is back up by arbitral ruling.
I hope malaysia will not ignore it ...it sounds not good it will lead to worst i think
@ 1:03 ~ supporters and sympathisers......follow this development...... Up to now December 2023, are the followers and sympathisers still active? When Sulu lost in various courts of appeal and failed to get the USD14.92B compensation, and has to pay Malaysia €100,000.00 as legal cost imposed by Paris Court of Appeal, no comment, response or reaction from the so called supporters and sympathisers.
Pakitranslate Po sa taglog pls,
Takberrrr
What ever happen you fight for Arbitration award that never reverse or stop. Your occupying a territory that is not belongs to Malaysia. This issue never stop unless you paid $15Bn to heirs of Sultan and bring back the Sabah to the Philippines.
Sabah will never be in Malaysia. You can scape tempoary or delay by using any tactics but in the end Sabah belongs to Philippines. This issue last for so long and in the end the true owner and soverienty of Sabah CLEARLY says that it part of the Philippines.
Its time to return to the true owner of Sabah,the Sultanate of Sulu.
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
ruclips.net/video/u_IZAbb-xfE/видео.html
Proof?
ANOTHER WPS SAGA--
PHILIPPINES WILL NOW APPRECIATE HOW A ARBITRAL CASE CAN B SO INEFFECTIVE IF NOT ENTIRELY USELESS FOR A SOLUTION TO DETERMINE RIGHT OF CLAIM--
Treaty are laws or covenant between men. It must have terms how many years.
Walang pinagkaiba ang malaysia sa china, pareho ang ugali
Only the true heirs of the Sulu Sultanate have the right and till now only the Kiram family is making the claim but the Kiram family is not the current heirs of the Sulu Sultanate.
Then you know the Sultanate then. Is it your family Sir? Kiram are recognized! Let's support and unite. Magpabaho hadja sin simud
Kapal ng mga renters nagiging china na rin sila
They will defend their land daw ahahaha
French court??lol only the Hague in Netherland is recognized as world court🤣🤣🤣
It's not about being in a french court. It's about the global assets of Petronas.
@@jannchavez9257 what is their power to seize somebody else’s assets from a nation??only the Hague was recognized by UN to give any orders to a nation…have ever doing a job as police or lawyer in trial??seizing for a trial doesnt mean the assets for example a car will be taken away from the owner forever..it is only for investigations and by the time the trial is over the assets will be given back to the owners…also Petronas isnt a fully government entity like Bank of Malaysia…they’re only corporate entity..if you’re a billionaire you can even buy the majority shares in the company…lets say Sulu won the case and get the assets it doesnt change anything about Sabah’s status as one of Malaysian Federation members together with Malaya and Sarawak
@@marldonitzblietzkrieg8923 Land grabbers haha Malaysian
This problem is a proper job of lcc many
Based on most Pinoy comments in here is so disappointing. I am Malaysian and from Sabah, I have friends from the Philippine too. But they always being respectful. From your comments in this channel, ARE YOU PROMOTING WAR? IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO? WE HAVE PEACE AND NO WAR IN THIS REGION, WHY ARE YOU PROVOKING BLOODSHED? As Sabahan we have our own culture and sovereignty, Sultanate Sulu claims are insulting and ridiculous.
If you dont respect the sultanate of sulo then get out in sabah ,. Sabah was own by sultanate of sulo
Why we need to give them....better give it to Sabahan ppl... Lol
Malaysia should have challenged any Court proceedings brought by the Sulu descendants...!
The incursion of Lahat Datu does allow the Makaysian Government a right to some measure of compensation or rights ....!
I would broker a deal that the Govt continues to pay its annual dues...!
The RM62 million award is preposterous in the extreme...!
Any monies payable (if any) can be off-set by the incursion and invasion of Lahat Datu ...!
The descendants of the last Sultan of Lahat Datu will certainly want to come out of the lease as it is no more advantages to them pecuniarily....!
One cannot blame them BUT the law is clear that the law will NOT allow them to come out of a bad bargain unless there are exceptional circumstances...!
It is best for the descendants to NICELY & POLITELY talk to the Makaysian Govt...!
Unfortunately for the descendants, the Malaysian Courts is NOT compelled by any law nor institutions of the land to recognise the said award...!
I am willing to extend my services for free to the Malaysian Govt or to broker a deal for the sake of future peace..!
The sulo sultan want their land back they are willing to die for that..if you lease your land and its time to return it what kind of mentality is that..
Why they dont challenge because they have an aggrement with payment of yearly to the sultan of sulo what argument you want to say to the court your paying yearly...you should have represented malaysia in international court...
@@nattayamagallanes6857
The UN has long recognised that SABAH has belonged and is part of the Malaysian Federation...!
If the UN ( including France) can accept the new birth of Isreal carved purely and recently from the independent and sovereign State of Palestinian then, the bloody French Court should the more accept that Sabah is rightly Malaysian by reasons of past conduct...!
AT the end of the day, it depends on the lawyers ingenuity to make or defend a case....!
If the Sulu award is to be accepted then every French, Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish, British & American colonies in the past can make retrospective claims...!
The French Court has shot itself in the foot...!
However, we being Malaysian and part of ASEAN, we can always come to some polite and acceptable agreement...!
IF NOT, IT IS MY STAND THAT MALAYSIA HAS A PLETHORA OF REASONS MORE THAT I HAVE NOT YET MENTIONED, TO JUSTIFY SUCH A CLAIM AND AWARD AS FRIVOLOUS....!
CHEERIO..!
Common it is a private deal between an individual you cannot just take a property lika athief in the nights what united nation got to do with a private deal between an individual you just come iwant your land..this is not america canada australia..just the british empire..impose on it thete is paper trail and dont believe the british referrendum on sabah on 1963..the newly formed malaysia the british incorporate to exploit..you cannot barge in like abully..president diosdado macapagal was right to uphold sabah let the casegi to international court...just malaysia submit itself....dont finish the oil and you have to pay..the rent since 2013
Are you a lawyer or a law student..??
If you are, good..!
If you are NOT, then better still because you keep thinking of all the different factors and at the end of the day, there is no absolute right or wrong answer... just a politically accepted scenario...!
International law is NOT trite or substantive law...!
It's is a concept that carries different meaning to different ideologies and countries &. jurisdiction encased in cultural and historical events that shape it ...!
Malaysian Govt has assets in many countries and they risk having their assets forfeited depending on the country the said assets are situated...!
I best say no more...!
You keep working that brilliant mind of yours..!
malaysia do not want to share its blessings even to the rightful heir of sulu.. who has documentary evidence.. the court has spoken..
Gierahin Ang malysia un Ang dbest
It's just a pice of paper, ask Duterte about arbitration court.
Any new changes is hard at first and its very understandable to the part of Malaysia but … the ruling and the International Tribunal court already spoke !!! Sabah is really and truly and will always be part of the …
P H I L I P P I N E S ! ! !
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
ruclips.net/video/u_IZAbb-xfE/видео.html
Sulu lost in various European courts of appeal. Yes it is hard for Sulu and Philippines to swallow and it is understandable to the part of Sulu and the Philippines but... the ruling of Paris Court of Appeal already spoke.
(it was not International Tribunal court that gave the ruling favouring Sulu but it was Paris Court and the ruling had since been set aside and annulled by Paris Court of Appeal)
Sabah is really and truly and always be a component state of the...
FEDERATION OF MALAYSIA.
@@abdulwahidmdtahir3660 dream on its for free !!!.
Lol…whose laughing now
So Sabah own by Sulu but America & Australia not own by the aborigins? Pity Sabahans. They suffer in this case. Greed for money
no. Australia and US is for indiginous by the Sultan of Sulu and Malaysia tension is different the Borneo people in Sabah seek NATO and US help in 2016. The Sultan of Sulu Sold the Sea Oil to US and NATO which is why France is protecting the right of that claim. usually good move to sultan of sulu he sold the sea oil to US and NATO in exchange for protection to Sabah since philippines is weak enough to do it alone.
It’s about time, please give and pay back the Sultanate of Sulu, we’ve been waiting for this moment, please give it back and pay the Sultanate of Sulu, We love our neighboring countries as our President says Philippines is friends of everyone and enemy to none, but give justice to the Sultunate of Sulu.
Warm
To all claimer phino TROLL here, read this history first b4 claim sabah is ph in ur wet dream. Sabah as known as borneo is made of 3 diferent countries, Brunei, Indonesia n Malaysia, the right owner of sabah is sultan brunei n he give it part of borneo to sultan sulu n after sultan sulu jamalul kiram die in 1936 n not have any direct male heirs, british take over sabah, n yes filipina almost sucsess to claim sabah in 1962 after self proclaimer name Esmail E Kiram I give right to presiden diostado to claim sabah, but i think (PBB) disclaim they claim bec unsure real sultan sulu heirs or not, in 1963 british ceding sabah to malaysia n malaysia keep paying rm5300 to this self pro claimer sultan as disputed state (not rental) n in 1989 Philipina dropped all they claim in sabah to restore diplomatic realition between KL n PH 👍 In year 2013 after jamallul kiram III (Esmail E Kiram 1 son) attack sabah, malaysia gove (Najib Razak) stop give rm5300 a year to sulu heirs bec they already violate the term (mahathir mohamad said) i dont know what term their promise, In a 2017 sulu heirs claimant letter to british court but Foreign & Commonwealth Office rejected the Sulu claimants’ request to appoint an arbitrator due to reasons such as the claimants’ unclear identity, and suggested they take up their claim directly to the Malaysian government. In 2018 after Najib Razak gov (BN) fall n new gove P.akatan H.arapan era begin, in this P.akatan H.arapan include mahathir mohamad who first also BN gove join PH gove they all is a enemy of najib razak, at that time AG thommy thomas send letter to sulu heirs said he regret with najib razak gov stop paying annual cession money even know what happen in 2013. in feb 2022 sulu heir win in french court (not valid) bec using false letter made by thommy thomas to them, now my new gov already take action about thomy thomas mistake n the change to win is HIGH 😎
You're going further Sir. Go back to the root, Sabah were given by Brunei Sultanate to the moros in exchange of the help that they had given to the Sultan of Brunei. Since 18th hundred. Wake up!
Irrelevant claims. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
SABAH, PHILIPPINES.
NO WONDER MALAYSIAN GOVT IS SCRAMBLING AND NERVOUS RIGHT NOW, THEY KNOW MALAYSIANS ARE JUST ILLEGAL SETTLERS IN SABAH, PHILIPPINES.
@@fkoff7649 , First of all, the original name was called North Borneo, not Sabah. It's weird if the Philippines claim Sabah because it never sounds like the Philippines 😂 Hope your government would change the name
Sulu get him island..
Hey its not easy, we do first get back our territory in west Philippines sea. Malaysia is not a an idiot to pay the billions dollar.
They are paying to sultanate of Sulu yearly before, until 2013 when they stopped paying anymore.
And grabbed the total Sabah peninsula. So are they idiot bec. They're paying？
@@joeyleegamer8938 im saying the billion dollars that they owed to pay.
All talks! That’s the Filipino traits!
Occupy and force the Malaysian Govt to leave this land. Because they are just renting since 1878. You can not erase and ignore the History.
They ceded the land to the British. Sabah wasn't rented
Nice! They ceded Sabah for Lease from British government.
@Hope Lope Andito ka naman. Ang dami mo alam ha. duda nko sayo.
This is a total loss for Malaysia. If they pay, it confirms that Sabah is not theirs. If they dont pay, they will be forced to do so and lose Sabah at the same time.Malaysia has no exit.
The decision is being executed and Malaysian properties like Petronas have been seized to satisfy this judgment.
Total loss? Here is the latest.
Latest as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already November 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had been around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m (USD6.6m) sprint.
sulu terrorist by french court mistake order
no french relation embassy diplomat
Beca malesia.miskin2 juga eA org malesia
Why don't the sultanate of sulu claims Mindanao and set his throne there first before claiming Sabah?
Lol claim mindanao haha
Claim Mindanao? Are you f*cking dumb? You already said *SULTANATE OF SULU*
Lol you are behind history. Learn more.
@@carmenpantaleon3892 if the sultanate exists it should be a "daulat" a sovereign with lands, a ruler ruling it's people like Brunei and like the Malay rajahs', if not it is a nobody, it is just making noise, first you must have a throne, rule your country, uphold Islam and the law, prove your lineage and then claim the lands that you say belong to you and the rights that go with it.
Dapat pag usapan yan sa susunod na admimisyrasyon,sa Pilipinas naman yan.
sa sultan po ng sulu hindi sa pilipinas
It's so funny... Peninsula Malaysia is 2 times bigger than Sabah, why only need Sabah, here cannot meh? I hope Chinese run the Malaysia and it would be successful and rich😎
Dreamm... Dreammm.. Dreammmm
Renters!!!
Pay your rent.. 15 B.us dollars
Sus binigyan na ng comelec cnatcos nyan
Nakaka antok naman mag comment ito si sir Julkipli Wahid parang nagbabasa ng abakada sa sobrang bagal..
In your dream SULU.... 😀
Malaysia land grabbler hahahaha.. Wait to siezed all malaysia assets all over the world and loose integrety to international community hahahhah.. Thats what you want hahahha..
The legitimate claimants in SABAH are the heirs of sultanate of Sulu wih the help of the Philippine govt.
Why show your displeasure here in YT? Show it in the International Court of Law not in social media.
Malaysia should provide a counter proof to the legitimate claims of the Sultanate of Sulo.
Sad though is Malaysia could not show any proof of ownership but only all hot air and all idle talks.
The Sultanate of Sulo have all the legal documents of ownership at hand together with all receipts of rent issued as payment to them by the Malaysian government.
What now?
You want to complain, then why did your government not provide any counter proofs?
All idle talk. Malaysian are fond of endless ngiaw ngiaw but no actions.
If they continue to refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the sultanate of sulu to sabah... Expect that more government property of Malaysia will be siezed...
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
ruclips.net/video/u_IZAbb-xfE/видео.html
Malaysia has to respect the sultanate don’t be greedy like taking a place that’s not yours. .
Yes Malaysia so Greedy
Malaysia (British) vs Philippines (USA) = 1 - 3
British and the usa are best allies . And both are a member of nato. While ph and malaysia?
World military Ranking
MALAYSIA :RANKED 48
PHILIPPINE :RANKED 51
USA won’t support you guys because u guys start the war first
Beauty and the Beast was the first animated film to be nominated for Best Picture. It lost to The Silence of the Lambs.
It is about time. The Sultanate of Sulu has the right, full right.
Sultan sulu is pirates
good open ang topic dahil sa senate debate yesterday
Panahon na para sobrang lakas ng military ntn para kung may ganitong setwasyon ay kunin sa dahas nlng kc sobra tayong inaapi api nlng kc alam nla mas malakas ang military nla
Sabah belongs to the philippines thats the facts and malaysia knew it from the start
If candidate cant follow comelec rules candidate shd be disqualify, rule of law shd be followed, comprende
Tama magdisisyon ating Pangulo cabenite sa madaling panahon sa disisyon g France ,Itnl.court ruling panalo Sultenate of ,Solu at Phil's.
I think Malaysia shot itself on the foot, when they tried to financed the rebel group in Mindanao in order to occupy Sabah. Now decades of fighting has forged both the Philippine army and the rebels into hardened veterans adept in jungle warfare.
@Hope Lope it gives pH army experiences
@Hope Lope yup rebels no matter what it's still rebels hehe
@Hope Lope yup 👍
@Hope Lope yeah we already knew that Malaysia government sponsored the rebel in Mindanao
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
ruclips.net/video/u_IZAbb-xfE/видео.html
It is clear. Malaysia don't respect the law. Why not go to war. I think malaysia want that. So be it.
War that only brings blood and violence. Ikaw nalang kaya makipaglaban
1 reason: oil in sabah
Hindi gagawin ng malaysia yun dahil may mutual defence tayo sa america kapag inatake nila ang pinas para na silang nagbigti nun matatalo na sila gyera lulubog pa sila ng husto at papatawan ng maraming sanction kawawa ang malaysia pag pumasok sa gyera.
If iam in the power i will not entertain any of this shit, my answer only war no more talk. Legal or illegal not in my dictionary sulu can remain in another page of history book.
I DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT SABAH IS OWNED BY THE PHILIPPINES BUT FOR SURE SABAH IS OWNED BY THE SULTAN FROM SULU WHICH MAKE SABAH UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF PHILIPPINES EVEN MALAYSIA KNOW’S THAT. THAT’S WHY THEY ARE PAYING LEASE TO THE SULTAN. HOWEVER, MALAYSIA JUST DON’T WANT TO RETURN SABAH TO THE SULTAN OF SULU BECAUSE IT IS GENERATING A LOT OF INCOME FOR THEM. THAT’S THE FACT
Please note with this message I am sure that there is going to be an understanding between US and Corona(China). They will have an understanding I mean 🇺🇸and corona. Here Australia and Japan will also be snubbed and they may come to an understanding that let's control pacific and South China Sea. This will be the new strategy by America. But I want south Asian nations to disagree with this and if it happens then India and South Asia nations including gulf should form a separate union to have their hold on Sea routes used by China and America in Indian Ocean. Australia and Japan should be strong to disagree if America tries new tactics against India. I know about these Americans and everything they want free at cost of other countries. Let's stop this attitude of America and let us protect Taiwan from China aggression. I want all South Asian countries ready to attack China if it tries to attack Taiwan. Why I am saying this is all countries surrounding South China Sea should be able to use the waters according to international policies of Sea waters.
If Malyasia will not accept the ruling, it will affect all the contract they are going going to enter in the future...it would mean they dont know how to honor an agreement and obligation that comes with it..
Recalibrate the contract and come up with an agreement that is agreeable to the sultanate of sulu and malaysia and ammend all unfair and unjust treatment to filipinos in sabah..
"...they don't know how to honour an agreement...". Which agreement that Malaysia didn't honour? If you are talking about the 1878 agreement, show the agreement in which the name "Malaysia" written in it.
Till die our people never join your country!!!you want claim Sabah but south Philippine always war, please take care of your country first!!!
Your country are the ones who started the 1970 Muslim rebellion in Mindanao by supporting the MNLF group.
Reading this comment solidified my conclusions that Malaysians are really ignorant about their governments wrong doings
Then get out in sabah, sabah is not your land.
History of liar
Malaysia should recognize the Arbitral Ruling in Luxembourg by French decision!
Who is the Rightful Sultan of Sulu Today?
Where was the first Sultan of Sulu born?
ruclips.net/video/u_IZAbb-xfE/видео.html
Latest as in June 2023 :
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court lower court ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already October 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m (USD6.5m) spent.
Sulu should recognize all the above courts' ruling and pay €100,000.00 to Malaysia as legal cost.
Now it's time to
Moro Islamic Liberation Front
Royal army of Sultanate of Sulu
And Philippine army to fight side by side
Malaysia should respect the law not acting as uncivilized institution, the people of Sultanate of Sulo should not be deported they are real owners of the land
We support the AR of Sulatanate of Sulu!
Once we annexed Sabah Philippines will be a bigger country
Its was on wrongly Narated that Sultan of Sulu own Sabah but infact The Sultan of Sulu has no Rights over The State of Sabah Koz Sabah has its own Raja or Sultan ( American History on American Trading Company 18th Century )..
Malaysian did not recognize the French court award 11billion these his embarrassing to whole world violated the laws seized
Sabah Philippines the island inherited Filipinos to their ancestors Muslims
MALAYSIA WAS NEVER BE EXISTED AT THAT TIME WHEN BRITISH OCCUPATION , STARTED TO RENT
SABA TO SULTANATE., OF ZULU..
I TOUGHT MALAYSIA GIVE BACK SABA TO SULTANATE OF ZULU. (ALREADY PHILIPPINES. ) DO NOT MAKE ANY FAKE NEWS.
lol you will get nothing