@6:57 efficiency is 85% not the 92% as claimed in the Video, input voltage was 27.55 and current was 19.6 Amps hence power was (P=VI) 539.9 watts and output power was 460 Watts.
I could care less about such nerdy stuff. Perhaps you could start your own channel? When you have uploaded your first video let us all know so we too can make suggestions on what was omitted.
Shared. The 6000W surge is for transient load (very short burst) not a dead load at power up. Seems the top output power (non transient) is 4000W. Glad you showed the oscope test... do that under significant load with different kinds of inductive or capacitive loading....that is where distortion will be most obvious. Pretty good unit overall, inside looks well made.
Great product review. Someone should start making adapters for standard electric cars (Nis Leaf, Volt...) which would allow us to tee off of the battery pack. Then suppliers could make something like this at those voltages. That would give great portable power.
I have a chevy spark EV .I am going to see if I can use my battery box using a 2000 w giandel inverter.my car can use120 @ 8 amps to 12 amps max,to recharge it.
Great videos Jehu.. you have inspired some projects I’m currently designing for our off grid lifestyle. That inverter would fit right in! Thank you for all you do!
Was sure the AIMS was the one for my setup until seeing your video. Upgrading from 2000w to 3000w is my goal as I prepare my boat for the Seattle to New Orleans leg. I liked the descriptive portion of the video when the shell was removed and wiring gauges were discussed. Sure to make the Giandel 3000w the "heart" of my system now. Having an extra in reserve will lend a certainty to my effort.
Curious how it held up for you on this lengthy adventure? (I realize this is one heck of a long shot at getting a response 4 yrs later but if you do receive this it will be worth it bc that's some truly real world data you're collecting. Hoping for some good news!) I have heard and seen great things from these inverters but I've never seen AIMS and Giandel even used in the same sentence before today...
Yes, a loaded test of the sine wave in increments of load would be a very useful thing to test as some don't handle the load well and the wave formation falters
13:27 The Min/Max option on a multimeter will not measure the inrush you need to use one with an inrush setting, I did that with a grinder, and it said 20 max amps, but when I used inrush it showed 37 amps. the min/max just doesn't grab the actual inrush. If the scaling is linear -ish, that seems like it overloaded at 6500 watts roughly.
I must say, that is one very nice sine wave there! It looks like it would be ideal for running computer equipment or anything that might be sensitive to a choppy sine wave!
I have the 4000/8000W 24V version of this Giandel inverter and it is working very well, even starting a clothes washer and drier (with propane heat), saws and small A/C units. Surge ratings are usually in Watts and duration. Most cheap units surge at the rating for a millisecond or two. For motor starting, I would think one would need the rating for one or two seconds which better units will have. Also the inverter may need to be powered up and stable within the continuous rating before getting a surge, but that is my guess so far. A general tip -- It might be wise to check the output on any inverter before hooking anything valuable to it. I blew out my RV appliances on a cheaper maker's unit. I suspect it was set to 240 VAC but labeled 120 VAC.
Hey hi Mr j Garcia my name Domingo Meléndez from Puerto Rico thanks for your help and support I'm looking forward in some more information about solar power station and try to build one of ur creations God bless you always and family ! Thanks for your time and help that's valuable!
Hey my friend. Don’t worry about a little gray. Be thankful you still have hair. That was a pretty sine wave. I have my fingers crossed and hope to win. Thanks
As always awesome video and review. Just waiting lithium batteries to come in. Have my panels and controller already. This would be an awesome addition to complete my system. Cheers. Don
YOU ROCK!!!!!! Thank you for the video Jehu. I have put together a 7S100P pack from the modem cells BatteryHookup is selling (crazy sale this weekend). I am also using their 5P fuses. They have a picture of your on their home page. I was looking to buy this inverter. What a great piece this would be to finish my set up. I have been following your videos for a while and model most of my setup from your advice. Shared.
Great review. I want to build a portable system but the cost always seems high for emergencies only. A portable solar set up that could easily connected to the home for daily use would be nice
At around 7m in you remark on the voltage difference between the meter and the inverter. That's because of the voltage drop over the wires at 30+ amps. At idle they should be much closer (although they'll probably never agree exactly unless you trim one of them).
What a great review.. and I am working on solar for our camper this would be an awesome addition to our camper project. Sharing and hoping for the best. Thanks Jehu for all your videos and projects you share with us.
Is it common for inverters to be labeled with an unrealistic surge number? Or is that number under some difficult to achieve, highly specific set of circumstances (like, slow charging 1200 usb devices)?
Does this inverter is really providing 120v from the outlet ? my second question if I have 3 battery of 12v Can I plug them in serie and prallale in order to get 24v system. Thanks JS
What's the efficiency with a light load like between 200 and 400 watts? I'm off grid and that's about how much power I use continually unless someone turns on something large.
I use a bunch of Giandel inverters in stuff i build. Ranging from my 300w portable power unit right upto my 2.8KW system. They are fine so long as you dont try to hammer them all day every day. They arnt 24/7 grade inverters.
curious to see sine wave at load with capacitive(power supply with big primary caps without pfc with load) at load and inductive(motor) load at least 2/3 load😁
How does this compare to aims? I have been looking at the aims pure sine wave with 120a charge capabilities. Possibly the 240 volt for whole house power off battery backup and pair it with solar battery charging. I do like the remote switch on this guy though.
love your channel, I would have loved to see wave form under load, also I've read that surge ratings are only indented for sub second loads like when a inductive load is started (large AC motor)
Thank you for the great video on the inverter! I enjoyed it and might just have to get one and divert part of my solar into batteries and use one for lights, computer, etc. It would be a great thing for that use! In the truck I could use it for power tools when helping people out with carpentry projects on the weekend! Thanks again for a great review!!! Mark
try powering an induction hob, then with tesla bifilar coils collect , rectify and see if you can loop your setup. I have had a faulty inverter for a long time and never had the funds to purchase another. Please try this, it will validate everything. Even if it powers itself for a short period.
Hey Jehu, yet another great video, thank you for the info. I think this inverter would be great to help me start my solar adventure. I intend on getting my house to complete solar usage by the end of the year, and I plan on using the PCB powerwall kit to get there. Thanks again for the video. Keep up the good work!
The BMS on your batteries might be effecting your 6000 watt Surge test. Some BMS' ramp up in order to not put allot of strain on the batteries all at once as this might damage them. Try it with more s7 battery packs to allow more amperage.
I need to make a portable 48V 10kWh hand truck system. I would like to use an inverter charger. Xijia makes a 3000-watt inverter/charger (6.7kg) that might work well, if it comes in 120v AC. I need to decide between this and a Growatt 3000-watt, which is about 650USD but weighs only 12kg, or a Growatt 5000-watt at about 900USD, which also weighs about 12kg.
Nice video jehu... Surge power for inverters is usually rated within a short period of time... related to the sine wave period so the way you are testing it you're not going to get the number on the box... checking your channel from Venezuela... A lot of interesting stuff...
I'm very impressed with this inverter! MY idea for emergency portable Solar use is for after after a bad storm or other disaster when the local Grid is down. I'm ultimately planning o build a 200 Amp Lithium Battery, and Inverter-THIS one would be great-3-400 Watts of Solar and use it post-disaster to keep a large Bank of Cordless Tool Batteries charged up for the relief personnel.
Jehu one more thing struck my mind, opening laptop batteries to harvest cells you get BMS strip right in there, can I use it for small battery packs which I am planing would basically have USB n regular cable outputs in a eight cell config. In series n parallel 25.6v 24 volts usable n 16amps if like every cell is 3.2v 2000 mA? Please guide.
Just had 2 of these via amazon and had to send both back, same problem with both - kept cutting off while trying to do a coffee from a 1200w coffee machine and i noticed that the voltage displayed on the inverter was about 0.6 of a volt lower than what my battery monitor and my multimeter was displaying, it may not sound like alot but when my batteries was showing 12.9v the inverter was showing 12.2v - batteries at 12.7v inverter at 12v and then beep beep beep then turns OFF !
Many of these high freq inverters can only reach quoted surge loads for a very short burst, so real life #s always come out lower as did this one. I use a similar 2k unit With very good results..
I plan on using something like this in my pick up for emergency power to run the fridge and heat/ac. A trucks alternator should be able to keep up with something like that right?
BEST REVIEW I HAVE EVER SEEN!!! I am trying to determine what brand 3k inverter/charger (together or separate) to buy. Most import thing is value (bang for my buck). I am installing in a camper and may sell in future but don't want to go to cheaper in case i have for a while and have problems. What would you recommend and would it be together or combo?
Just now got notified of this video.
I would have liked to see the Sine Wave on the Scope with the load added.
and a test with an inductive draw, I have a induction hot plate that does not work at all with my modified invereter
Good point!
@6:57 efficiency is 85% not the 92% as claimed in the Video, input voltage was 27.55 and current was 19.6 Amps hence power was (P=VI) 539.9 watts and output power was 460 Watts.
I tried to buy this inverter. I ordered the 24v version and they sent me the 12v version twice. Good to see you got the right one at least.
Manufacturers take note, this is what an informed consumer will always value. A practical review with no strings attached from a credible individual.
Just as a FYI, the current sensor is not a hall-effect sensor, it's a current transformer. Thanks for opening it up and reviewing it.
It's on the DC side so it certainly is not a current transformer.... fyi
just ordered 300 batteries, and this would make an awesome portable power station
Should have shown the sine wave under loads, both resistive and reactive.
was going to say the exact same thing, sadly he didn't that's what i was looking for
I could care less about such nerdy stuff. Perhaps you could start your own channel? When you have uploaded your first video let us all know so we too can make suggestions on what was omitted.
I'm glad you finally noticed how close you were to shorting your cable leads out...!!!:)
Shared. The 6000W surge is for transient load (very short burst) not a dead load at power up. Seems the top output power (non transient) is 4000W. Glad you showed the oscope test... do that under significant load with different kinds of inductive or capacitive loading....that is where distortion will be most obvious. Pretty good unit overall, inside looks well made.
Always love learning new things from you, Jehu! Thanks again.
I have several of their pure sine wave inverters, so it was good to see this review, albeit a few years late! Thanks.
You are a mad man. Love your content. I have the 2200 Giandel Inverter with charge controller and couldn't be happier.
I'd love this inverter for my system I'm slowly building through watching your videos!
Great product review. Someone should start making adapters for standard electric cars (Nis Leaf, Volt...) which would allow us to tee off of the battery pack. Then suppliers could make something like this at those voltages. That would give great portable power.
I have a chevy spark EV .I am going to see if I can use my battery box using a 2000 w giandel inverter.my car can use120 @ 8 amps to 12 amps max,to recharge it.
Couple of cars I know of come with a mains powerboard that plugs into charger socket I think. Thats a great feature until 2way to grid happens.
Great videos Jehu.. you have inspired some projects I’m currently designing for our off grid lifestyle. That inverter would fit right in! Thank you for all you do!
Was sure the AIMS was the one for my setup until seeing your video. Upgrading from 2000w to 3000w is my goal as I prepare my boat for the Seattle to New Orleans leg. I liked the descriptive portion of the video when the shell was removed and wiring gauges were discussed. Sure to make the Giandel 3000w the "heart" of my system now. Having an extra in reserve will lend a certainty to my effort.
Curious how it held up for you on this lengthy adventure?
(I realize this is one heck of a long shot at getting a response 4 yrs later but if you do receive this it will be worth it bc that's some truly real world data you're collecting. Hoping for some good news!) I have heard and seen great things from these inverters but I've never seen AIMS and Giandel even used in the same sentence before today...
Solid review but that battery deserves all the credit. Its a beast. The battery indicator on the meter was hardly moving.
I would like to see sine wave under load!
Yes, a loaded test of the sine wave in increments of load would be a very useful thing to test as some don't handle the load well and the wave formation falters
the same here, especially not under nearly resistive load (heater), way more inductive load or mix of loads would be interesting ;)
I would like to see sine wave under inductive load
Me too
Those cables aren't good enough for full load.
the blue walls are messing with the auto color correction on your cam.
I wonder what amps this inverter draws with no load?
13:27 The Min/Max option on a multimeter will not measure the inrush you need to use one with an inrush setting, I did that with a grinder, and it said 20 max amps, but when I used inrush it showed 37 amps. the min/max just doesn't grab the actual inrush. If the scaling is linear -ish, that seems like it overloaded at 6500 watts roughly.
This is a good point. Food for thought.
Was just about to say the same. I don't think the resolution on that meter in that configuration would show it.
I must say, that is one very nice sine wave there! It looks like it would be ideal for running computer equipment or anything that might be sensitive to a choppy sine wave!
This would be a great upgrade/replacement to the 1000w modified sine inverter I currently have!
I have the 4000/8000W 24V version of this Giandel inverter and it is working very well, even starting a clothes washer and drier (with propane heat), saws and small A/C units. Surge ratings are usually in Watts and duration. Most cheap units surge at the rating for a millisecond or two. For motor starting, I would think one would need the rating for one or two seconds which better units will have. Also the inverter may need to be powered up and stable within the continuous rating before getting a surge, but that is my guess so far. A general tip -- It might be wise to check the output on any inverter before hooking anything valuable to it. I blew out my RV appliances on a cheaper maker's unit. I suspect it was set to 240 VAC but labeled 120 VAC.
Exactly....I was asking for the same on this inverter...I want to be sure how the 120 V is produced.
You need to put that headway battery build in your store. That was an awesome battery!
Hey hi Mr j Garcia my name Domingo Meléndez from Puerto Rico thanks for your help and support I'm looking forward in some more information about solar power station and try to build one of ur creations God bless you always and family ! Thanks for your time and help that's valuable!
Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste .. 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤ 🕊
Hey my friend. Don’t worry about a little gray. Be thankful you still have hair.
That was a pretty sine wave. I have my fingers crossed and hope to win. Thanks
As always awesome video and review. Just waiting lithium batteries to come in. Have my panels and controller already. This would be an awesome addition to complete my system. Cheers. Don
Wonder whether it still looked like a pure sine wave under those loads?
I love the o scope you were using. Nice video! :)
As always another great video. You have inspired me to accomplish many things I would never have dreamed of in the power storage world.
YOU ROCK!!!!!! Thank you for the video Jehu. I have put together a 7S100P pack from the modem cells BatteryHookup is selling (crazy sale this weekend). I am also using their 5P fuses. They have a picture of your on their home page. I was looking to buy this inverter. What a great piece this would be to finish my set up. I have been following your videos for a while and model most of my setup from your advice. Shared.
I have learned so much from your videos man. And very inspired. Thanks!!!!
Great review. I want to build a portable system but the cost always seems high for emergencies only. A portable solar set up that could easily connected to the home for daily use would be nice
I love the diy solar gen stuff. Going to start mine in the winter!
Just starting with solar and this GiAndel inverter would help with flexibility of projects.
At around 7m in you remark on the voltage difference between the meter and the inverter. That's because of the voltage drop over the wires at 30+ amps. At idle they should be much closer (although they'll probably never agree exactly unless you trim one of them).
What a great review.. and I am working on solar for our camper this would be an awesome addition to our camper project. Sharing and hoping for the best. Thanks Jehu for all your videos and projects you share with us.
Is it common for inverters to be labeled with an unrealistic surge number? Or is that number under some difficult to achieve, highly specific set of circumstances (like, slow charging 1200 usb devices)?
Does this inverter is really providing 120v from the outlet ? my second question if I have 3 battery of 12v Can I plug them in serie and prallale in order to get 24v system. Thanks JS
Great review thanks for taking the time. It was great seeing the temperature of the cables would probably upgrade those
This would be a great addition to my rv ! Thanks for reviewing it
I would love to use this inverter for some projects I have in mind!
That would be a great inverter for off grid applications. I’d be happy to win it.
I’d love this inverter for my van conversion
I wouldn't recommend it if you're going to need it everyday. spend the next $50 and get an inverter that is actually engineered to be used everyday.
Loved to have seen the sine wave on scope + load.
Have you done an amps peak test on a Renogy 3000w inverter?
What's the efficiency with a light load like between 200 and 400 watts? I'm off grid and that's about how much power I use continually unless someone turns on something large.
This would be perfect to round off my DIY off grid power system! batteries, solar and charge controller are ready to go!
also got this video shared!
I am wondering if you would have gotten 6000 watt surge on the screw terminals?
Thanks for a data driven review, always like watching your videos.
I use a bunch of Giandel inverters in stuff i build. Ranging from my 300w portable power unit right upto my 2.8KW system. They are fine so long as you dont try to hammer them all day every day. They arnt 24/7 grade inverters.
curious to see sine wave at load with capacitive(power supply with big primary caps without pfc with load) at load and inductive(motor) load at least 2/3 load😁
How does this compare to aims? I have been looking at the aims pure sine wave with 120a charge capabilities. Possibly the 240 volt for whole house power off battery backup and pair it with solar battery charging. I do like the remote switch on this guy though.
I saw a review of one of the aims and it handled beyond its rated surge capacity very well for a long length of time.
love your channel, I would have loved to see wave form under load, also I've read that surge ratings are only indented for sub second loads like when a inductive load is started (large AC motor)
Great video Jehu! Keep up the good work!
Hey Jehu great videos and very helpful. Question: Where did you purchase that hall effect sensor with the display? Thanks in advance!
Good morning I'm a new subscriber and I've been seeing a lot of your videos I want to thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us
Awesome video Jehu keep em coming
It's will be perfect for my workshop build
Hi from upstate New York. Great video, will try to add this to my RV!
Thank you for the great video on the inverter! I enjoyed it and might just have to get one and divert part of my solar into batteries and use one for lights, computer, etc. It would be a great thing for that use! In the truck I could use it for power tools when helping people out with carpentry projects on the weekend! Thanks again for a great review!!! Mark
plz show us sine wave on load test!?!?
try powering an induction hob, then with tesla bifilar coils collect , rectify and see if you can loop your setup. I have had a faulty inverter for a long time and never had the funds to purchase another. Please try this, it will validate everything. Even if it powers itself for a short period.
Everyone always skips the idle power consumption measurement? Great video though!
Hey Jehu, yet another great video, thank you for the info. I think this inverter would be great to help me start my solar adventure. I intend on getting my house to complete solar usage by the end of the year, and I plan on using the PCB powerwall kit to get there. Thanks again for the video. Keep up the good work!
looks like a good inverter😋 i have the 2200W/4000W version of that, still doing great for my application😋
I would love that inverter for my van build!!
This inverter is the best start for my project
The BMS on your batteries might be effecting your 6000 watt Surge test. Some BMS' ramp up in order to not put allot of strain on the batteries all at once as this might damage them. Try it with more s7 battery packs to allow more amperage.
I've heard of a camera adding 10 pounds but now they also add 10 years.
I'd love to have one of those for the van I'm building. Current inverter is dying.
Hi - as per a couple of other replies - could you post details on the hall effect sensor and display you're using please. Thanks.
Was so tired from 3 long days of doing stuff I asleep watching the video ....lol
I need to make a portable 48V 10kWh hand truck system. I would like to use an inverter charger. Xijia makes a 3000-watt inverter/charger (6.7kg) that might work well, if it comes in 120v AC. I need to decide between this and a Growatt 3000-watt, which is about 650USD but weighs only 12kg, or a Growatt 5000-watt at about 900USD, which also weighs about 12kg.
Just now realized that the Growatt 5000 comes in only 240v. Adding a heavy transformer defeats the whole purpose of making a portable system.
Great review, would like to see one for a 240v Inverter for everyone outside of the US
Great work Jehu
looking into here in Australia
nice inverter... just need to figure out what battery pack to pair with it. backup power for furnaces in the winter in the house.
Presta pa la orquesta! Saludos desde México
I started watching just after it got uploaded and only finished it now. Well better luck next time :)
I think you should test the peak output with double the current on the DC side. I bet it will get better numbers on peak output.
My 48v inverter died and thinking of going with 24v now. I want to see what I can find for my 2kw array.
Nice video jehu... Surge power for inverters is usually rated within a short period of time... related to the sine wave period so the way you are testing it you're not going to get the number on the box... checking your channel from Venezuela... A lot of interesting stuff...
Would love this setup up for my electric station powerwall
Great video, does this device have circuit breakers built in ?
Thank you for your informative review.I would like one for my next trip.
WOW, I was surprised that the batteries had such a high temperature.
I'm very impressed with this inverter! MY idea for emergency portable Solar use is for after after a bad storm or other disaster when the local Grid is down. I'm ultimately planning o build a 200 Amp Lithium Battery, and Inverter-THIS one would be great-3-400 Watts of Solar and use it post-disaster to keep a large Bank of Cordless Tool Batteries charged up for the relief personnel.
Perfect inverter for a van build! Shared!
Whoop whoop!! Love the videos and shared far and wide!!
Jehu one more thing struck my mind, opening laptop batteries to harvest cells you get BMS strip right in there, can I use it for small battery packs which I am planing would basically have USB n regular cable outputs in a eight cell config. In series n parallel 25.6v 24 volts usable n 16amps if like every cell is 3.2v 2000 mA? Please guide.
Just had 2 of these via amazon and had to send both back, same problem with both - kept cutting off while trying to do a coffee from a 1200w coffee machine and i noticed that the voltage displayed on the inverter was about 0.6 of a volt lower than what my battery monitor and my multimeter was displaying, it may not sound like alot but when my batteries was showing 12.9v the inverter was showing 12.2v - batteries at 12.7v inverter at 12v and then beep beep beep then turns OFF !
Many of these high freq inverters can only reach quoted surge loads for a very short burst, so real life #s always come out lower as did this one. I use a similar 2k unit With very good results..
Looks great,great setup for 24v
For how long can it be run at max power is the question ?
My giandel 3000w inverter just recently started beeping then shuts off saying OL.. not sure why..I've had it over a year with no problems
I definitely would like to have this Giandel 3000W Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter to power some of my DIY projects
I plan on using something like this in my pick up for emergency power to run the fridge and heat/ac. A trucks alternator should be able to keep up with something like that right?
BEST REVIEW I HAVE EVER SEEN!!! I am trying to determine what brand 3k inverter/charger (together or separate) to buy. Most import thing is value (bang for my buck). I am installing in a camper and may sell in future but don't want to go to cheaper in case i have for a while and have problems. What would you recommend and would it be together or combo?
I really appreciate your time for this review.