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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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Definitely didn't expect you to react to one of my videos, but I appreciate it. Thanks for the shoutout!
I like that you said "nah" at the exact same time that I did in the video. :D
There's always someone saying "strength tho... what if you STRONK?". Yeah, the stronger you are the more you can handle... to a point. There's a size and weight that's too much for anyone to handle effectively. Awkwardly hoisting and dropping it an oversized metal bar ≠ sword fighting.
A spear or polearm would have a major advantage against an oversized sword, for sure.
Hopefully this gets enough traction for the bald goblin to see it.
There's also the point of "If you could wield a giant weapon like a normal sword, why not just wield a normal sword like a teeny dagger?"
forgot what it is called, but , when the bigger you are, the harder it is to create the same speed....like if you grew to 100 meter you might move fast because of your size, but you would not have the same momentum? like how there is no chance in hell that Brian Shaw can move as quick as an lightweight athlete, if brian were to move that fast he would tear his body apart
@@seabass5892 Absolutely. A character powerful enough to handle a huge, heavy slab of metal would be scary fast and agile with a more reasonably sized greatsword.
@@Skallagrim The only possible benefit for a massive blade for a giant guy, like bigger than Angus MacAskill, plus super strength, is that the chonkiness of it might keep your weapon from breaking off due to said super strength. Also, maybe if you're hunting giant monster hunter monsters and tiny swords or even spears can barely get past the backfat or whatever, and don't do enough damage so you have to do something to make a bigger impact. Even then maybe switch to a blunt weapon... like a fallen tree or, a massive hammer with a spike on it... oversized pickaxe, something.
It's cute seeing Asmongold watch his older brother's content.
😂💀
My first thought was "Skallagrim is like a stronger Asmon" :D
Bro we need more asmon x skall content
with more hair @@greentoby26
@@SeaSerpentLevi yoooooo, imagine a video where Asmon explains WoW weapons to Skall and Skall explains real world weapons to Asmond.
For reference 21:15 The giant Japanese sword Asmon is referring to was indeed enormous; but it was never made for combat, it was made to demonstrate the swordsmith’s mastery of sword making.
The typical odachi used in battle had a blade around a meter long, give or take. But there were longer odachi that was used that was longer than that, the longest having a 2.215m blade. Everything beyond that are mere shrine decorations.
@kuronoch.1441 yeah even with the nodachi, it was more meant for slaying horses of cavalry im pretty sure but also i assume they were expensive considering how much metal it needed. The average peasant wouldn't be able to afford it.
@@kuronoch.1441 and they were not meant for 1v1 combat. They were to either kill horses or mow down armies and hope you get at least one hit on them before someone else puts you down. Odachi was NOT a 1v1 weapon. On top of that, odachi was totally replaced with better spears for long range against foot soldiers, and guns and cannons against horses. Odachi is remembered as a nice weapon that didn't really work out well so it had a very short span of relevance.
@@kniazjarema5809 It's a contemporary perspective (though not completely wrong) to only think about the amount of metal. The big thing wasn't just having enough steel, but having enough steel _fit for a sword_ and then actually making a piece as big as a sword blade with it. Having enough steel for a sword by mass alone wasn't rare, but that's not the issue. Good steel by any modern standards was only tiny fraction of metal used and forging large pieces was incredibly hard.
@qwormuli77 yes I realize that as many other factors were in play such as terrain since these swords would not only be hard to transport to every battle through mountains and rivers but also close quarter combat where friendly fire would be a given with a weapon of this size. Not to consider cost of transportation. There are far better options like the naginata or a simple spear. And again this sword was used on horseback and to cut down cavalry.
Asmon watching Skallagrim ... this is new
Ikr... I'm stunned
Best cross over ever
About time. He should react to more of Skall's videos. Great entertaining channel.
Exactly what Skalla needed. Can’t wait to see how he grows from this
@@jovialvibes5962 Wdym Skallagrim has over a million subscribers already lol he's not a small channel
You can find very old castles in France and other countries in Europe and you would be suprised the amount of doors you would bump your head on if you're 5'6 feet tall
Imagine sending back 10,000 people of average height to fight in a battle back during the Roman Empire when the average height was about 5’2 to 5’4. Could win the fight just by scaring the shit out of some armies.
@@josiahclarke3535 You do realise that many of those "short" Romans had pila (javelins), slings, and cavalry, right? (remains of Roman saddles have been found and replicas have been reconstructed.)
@@josiahclarke3535Height is largely genetic. For most armies back then the minimum to join was 5'6. Modern Italians are 5'8.
@@josiahclarke3535Let's not exagerate, you'd still be obliterated. And it was just the average, there were tall people in all time periods, even if the average was low (probably lower for the peasants, since the nobility had access to more energetic food). For example Edward 1st of England was 188cm tall (6 ft 2), and Peter the Great in Russia was even 2.03m tall (6 ft 8) even now he'd be considered super tall.
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Skallagrim has been at it for a long time through thick and thin. Glad to see him get some attention.
Heck, I think you forgot to mention that even IN berserk they say the Dragonslayer is way too big, so big that it's basically not a sword, just a hunk of metal with a hilt
Yeah, like it straight up told you this sword is stupid and could not be use unless you are a monster of a man, and does the thing no man can do, to kill Dragons.
And Gut aint just some guy, He is THE GUY, comparing what he does to what a normal dude can is just dumb.
@@thien0300 I wouldnt say it's dumb to compare him to a human, but to try and equate his feats to real humans' feats is just stupid
@@thien0300 Actually Guts is, arguably, not that unique in the setting: Zondark, Gerico and the "blue whales" arsehole (I've forgotten the name of) are also far above average. Welcome to unrealistic male body standards.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Guts acquire and start dragging around the Dragonslayer at like 13-15?
@@cogline9 No problem fam, ask and you shall receive.
Correction: He started with a "regular" huge sword as a kid that caught the attention of even kid Griffith, then during the entirety of the Golden Age arc he got a new and much bigger "regular" sword that was already considered ridiculous. It was after the elipse, with a way more adult Guts when he became the black swordman and went alone that he picked up the dragonslayer which had been resting with Godo for years. And that's the only sword he's been carrying since, but it has changed. Godo made a non-magical sword, but it was after the many years of getting bathed in the blood of apostoles and oither magical creatures that it has slowly become a magical sword.
You can make it work with a superhuman amount of strength, but if you have that strength, almost any other weapon will be much better in use with it.
It’s not a strength issue, it’s a physics problem. The momentum would pull you off balance unless you had the mass to go with it.
@@user-ph1ti3oi3h With super strength, you can equip heavy armor to increase your mass.
And if everyone got super strength and heavy armor, then giant swords start to make sense from a durability standpoint. You need something that won't break on contact.
@@HamHamHampster Increasing your mass would really only work near your ankles, since being top-heavy wouldn't work so well, plus the weapon would be so hard to stop when it's moving that it would possibly spin you around instead.
On top of that, the hilt would likely need to be far larger to both not break under the strain of its own weight, and to allowthe weapon to be held in a manner that would let the wielder move it around easily (e.g. 6 metre long pikes and naginata).
@@user-lv5rd6kb5o Check out Digitally Twisted Outlaws, the creator that Skallagrim was criticizing.
The sword itself is 48 pounds. If a normal human can swing that around, there are no reasons why someone with super strength and armor can't.
@@HamHamHampster That sword is much thinner and flimsier than what it is based on: if someone as powerful as what you're talking about uses it, it would likely warp and snap under the strain: nevermind the lack of a crossguard or the comparatively small hilt/grip/handle. In comparison, normal greatswords, odachi and polearms can be held at the centre more easily, while sword staffs and naginata have extra long handles.
P.S. Historically, woodcutter's axes were often thicker than battleaxes, and warhammers were tiny in comparison to mauls (large wooden mallets that were beleived to be makeshift weapons): people, historically preferred lightweight designs that concentrated the impact of a weapon onto a narrow point.
No matter how _strong_ you are, the greater the relative weight of the sword in comparison to your own bodyweight, the more it will pull you when you swing it. Think of it this way. No matter how strong a 200 pound person is, they won't be able to pull a weak 300 pound person towards them. They will pull themselves to the heavier person. The heavier the weapon, the more it'll pull you with it when you swing it.
And just as I'm typing this, Skall covers it in his vid
And I mean, if you are strong enough to swing a big ass sword effectively, how much better could you be with a regular great sword? Your speed would be far greater, can last longer, and realistically hit just as hard if you trade the extra mass for increased acceleration (Force = Mass x Acceleration, you can easily make up for the loss in weight by having the ability to swing it faster)
Which is why half of Guts movements are in his foot work.
Long sword is around 5 lb, Zweihänder around 10 lb, and a Sledgehammer up to 20 lb.
Relative weight really isn't a problem even if you have a 30-50 lb giant sword. The problem is mostly strength.
Don't forget also limbs can only handle a certain amount of force the heavier the weapon at some point your arm would thorn of by swinging
im 350 pounds bor and ive lost tug of war to dudes that were 250 so idk where you get this idea from. You cant compare a static objects to people.
One MAJOR issue they didn't mention at all - was that you had to CARRY the weapon everywhere.
In medieval times - getting to the battlefield would take several days, compared to the battle itself lasting a fraction of that time.
So having a light spear that does the job just fine compared to some super-heavy chunk of steel... yeah.
Even if you had the strength to actually swing it & the right technique -> you'd have to carry that thing for days and back...
Even if you put it on a Horse Cart - how many people in the army would realistically wield such a weapon? One cart filled with spears would supply more soldiers than a cart of these giant swords.
They are AWESOME though - let's be honest.
It's always cool to see it in anime.
Also spears can be cumbersome to carry around due to its long shaft getting in the way (imagine a heavy sword being there instead), hence why normal swords and smaller weapons were more preferable to carry distances due to scabbard, etc.
that sounds like the squire's problem not mine lol
Always fun seeing Asmon react to someone I've been subscribed to for years.
Great channel.
aye
I love Skrall, dude is like the only medieval warfare RUclipsr who doesn’t make everything political.
@@Nopquar Facts, I recently had to unsub from Shadiversity because I just do not agree with his politics and he's increasingly inserting them into his content. Sucks because his old weaponry vids were good.
@@gooysda??? I saw that with Scholagladiatoria and I still have found barely any merit to those claims about Shadiversity.
Oh wait you talkin’ sbout his second channel.
Just one of many things, I love about Monster Hunter, the recovery time on the great sword is realistic. Whenever you swing, you risk reducing half of your max hp
Did Asmon ever play any MH game? The animations for the Greatsword and Hammer are top tier, it's what makes the combat so fun.
@@avaiboot he only knows about Monster Hunter, but he hasn't played any
The crossover i never think i needed. Even mouse has already watched skalagrim at this point, now they need to go further. Metatron and Schola Gladiatora need attention too. Shad back scabbard is also a classic
Shabbard.
@@bonogiamboni4830 Ah yes...THE LENGENDARY SHABBARD!
Seconded on Metatron.
Are you talking about ex ufc fighter Mighty Mouse ?
@@Ziggyvu nope, the vtuber
The obivous point why spears are better then swords is range the simple fact of I can hit you before you hit me is a big advantage and especially if you factor in shields and then look at how the romans used that combination in multiple of their most successful military maneuvers.
yeah but one on one a spearman with a shield and aswordsmen with a shield the spearman is dead. Atleast with traditional western euro spears.
Romans used short stabbing swords spears cant penetrate the shield wall and once the mass of troops is close cutting and prodding with their short swords you're dead. Both weapons were used for good reasons.
@@BigSexyWizard well its easier to give peasants with zero combat experience a long wooden stick with a pointy metal stick at the end of it, ask them to point it at the enemy, and poke them when they get in range. Give them full metal blade and half of them gets cut down before they are able to do anything, another half hurt themselves or their friends trying to swing it, and its generally more expensive to make and maintain. Sure they are going to die if they were up against full plated knight with a decade of combat training one on one, but they probably fare worse with a sword anyway without said training. They call it the AK of the ancient world for a reasob.
Asmond's knowledge of swords makes me happy.
P.S. I just looked at your channel; it looks interesting, but I don't see any videos on odachi/nodachi, which are more comparable in size to greatswords.
P.P.S. I know that greatswords weren't that common and that they were likely used for countering pikes rather than being used as normal swords, but they were still used. Also I've subscribed to your channel.
Edit: Admittedly, he did make a clearer distinction later on.
same :) im a big longsword and hema nerd LOL
I've been getting into German longsword for some time now
@@user-lv5rd6kb5o Those are a little less common in the reproduction space. I do have some nagamaki to play with but they move differently.
In Graz are Greatsword with the Length of over 1.70 Meters and over 4 Kg heavy!
To the people who question the availability of the amount of food it would take to get body-builder levels of swole back in the ancient/medieval ages: there's many reasons why people didn't have access to 10,000 calories a day. In England, and some other kingdoms, peasants weren't allowed to hunt game, because it was reserved for nobility. The bulk of any ancient/medieval army was peasantry, and they struggled to get enough calories to survive, and didn't have access to the sheer calories, let alone the abundance of protein required to build huge muscle mass. Hence, no 100 lbs swords.
Peasants would not be even given any swords which are expensive and require large amounts of training to be usen properly, they are exclusively for knights and nobility who train their entire life.
Also they are not modern bodybuilders because they did not have steroids and it's just fake strenght which is why strong men do not look anything like bodybuilders.
Don’t forget that knights trained for stamina, a big hulking man who has trouble running or marching would be a burden for the rest of the army.
speaking as someone who almost got hit in the face from a trainer spear last tuesday, if i hadn't dodged in time, yes, spears are op and i would have either have a black eye or broken tooth today. also hella fun to practice and spar with spears. with protective equipment.
That’s good to hear. There was a modern one at rural king but it was a bit short.
I've practiced kung-fu a few years back and I lost track of how many times I almost got my eyes poked out or got my throat pierced with a Qian while our instructor was teaching us basic forms for defense. Spears are OP, uber OP if you depth perception sucks (which is my case) - even if it has a tuft of red fabric at the tip to help telegraph the form.
i mean you did state how you dodged it so I feel like they arent.
different style of spear entirley much shorter than western spears @@itsjonesh
@@BigSexyWizardthat doesnt mean he would be able to dodge it twice 😂 if the spearman was good
Kinda why i like monster hunters depiction of a great sword. Its slow and heavy. Like the character uses the weight of the weapon to do the damage vs the persons strength
If you have the opportunity to go to see actual medieval buildings in Europe, you'll see that all the doorways and other aspects of them are tiny. Nutrition is a huge height indicator. Hence why there is a huge height difference, for example, between new generation of Koreans and their grandparents and also North Koreans.
Every doorway and staircase were tiny for a reason and the reason was security. Castles were home for a noble and everything was designed to protect him.
@@Glory264Not only security. One sure, but people were smaller, lack of nutrition.
@@Glory264 I live in the Medieval city of York and even historically preserved pubs have short doorways and windows. Your theory fails because these establishments were meant to be welcoming to people for commerce.
@@fungibu7184 Yeah lowest class haven't got much nutrition, but nobody cared about them, middle and high class could have any meal that was possible back then.
They were about 5'4" to 5'7", and that is reflected in the armour they wore: archictcture is not a good indicator of height.
Also, vikings were around 5'8" from what remains tell us. Please, do your research.
Funny thing about "just have enough muscle" argument is - if a person, lets say "Guts" for inspiration, would use normal sword with his strenght, he would still be more effective then wasting all that strenght on the anime blade.
the biggest issue with a "big sword" is the sword part. If you want to cut, you can make it less heavy but still as long. But if you want to crush, just make a warhammer and put all that weight somewhere where it actually impacts your target.
He would not. Regular swords would break.
Oh against humans for sure he would be mote effective, leaving anime strenght behind, but the point of why he uses a giant slav of metal is because he fights literal hellspawns.
He knows it is impractical and it is very likely to get him killed, but he NEEDS that weight to kill them even if he puts his life on the line every fight
The final advancements in melee technology (before guns just dunked on everything) were spears effectively. the halibert, and bayonettes. they're both long pokers made with as little metal as possible, which worked great for the few situations melee combat mattered.
Yeah, halberds and pokers for fleshy bits, flanged maces and warhammers for everything armored. Otherwise, just use schüt.
I think you mean the first advancement. Stone age people already have stone and obsidian head spears.
Close range swords win
Love this bit of info
The legions proved the world could be taken by sword not spear. Spears are for holding calvary charges and the front line.
In the most northern Dutch province of Friesland around 1515 the Saxon burned down the house of one Pier Gerlofs Donia aka Grutte Pier (big Pier). Big Pier was a Dutch giant of 2 meters 13 (almost 7 foot) he carried a 6.6 kg (14.5 pound) long sword called a Biedenhänder trans. "both-hander" or Zweihänder. He went on a rampage... And it's not folkore but recorded history. The sword is in a museum now.
didn't know joe biden had a sword
The one thing I do think people underestimate with past history humans is their natural strength. What we would call "Farmer's Strength" or Roofers strength, etc. People doing manual labor and more laborious work are much stronger than your average couch sitter/cubicle worker of today's time. You dont have to be big to be strong. So while they probably didnt have monsters running around like we do today, they were much stronger and more fit in general.
That's gigantism, he wasn't the only one, and now they get even bigger, Robert Wadlow 2,72m. And they also die way quicker than normal sized people.
No one is saying there weren't tall people in the past. All that's been said that on average people were shorter back then that they are now. Exceptions exist which is likely why these bigger swords were made to begin with albeit in small numbers.
6.6 kg is definitely huge, upwards to twice as heavy as a normal twohanded sword...but going by the pictures it's a well-balanced and normal looking sword(tho larger than normal).
Actually saw the video of the Giant Sword Channel where he tries to explain why giant swords are practical, he literally only used it on a bucket by lifting it and letting it fall; that was literally his whole argument, and he even began to berate people in the comments who were pointing that out...
The kind of crossover you'd never expect but need in your life after its happened
The zweihander was used as much for stabbing as anything. Grab the first (blunt) part of the blade with one hand, the hilt with another and it's basically a short, metal spear. There's also a historical technique where you grab the sharp end in your (metal) gauntlets and whack the other guy with the hilt to use it as a mace.
thats called halfswording. you can do it with leather gloves too.
@@FenrirFrostborn Technichally, the original poster describes more of a mordhou (murder stroke), and with greatswords being classed as polearms, you could describe at least some of their techniques as being similar to half-stafing.
The blunt part is called the ricaso.
Swords has almost always been a backup weapon. That is like how modern soldiers often carry a pistol at the hip. They are not supposed to fight battles with those pistols.
No, majority of all people such as foot soldiers used swords as primary use, daggers were like sidearms, secondary.
I mean all history books goes over armies using swords for footsoldiers, it's what they used more than most weapons.
@@celphalonred1999Nope, spears were used more often than swords. Swords were expensive for the common foot soldier. Swords were used by knights and royalty.
@@celphalonred1999 Spears used to be the go to weapon for foot soldiers.
@@celphalonred1999 the only time swords were primary weapons in battle were dedicated zweihander shock troops. There was a video about it from schola gladiatoria iirc about it.
@@Miggy19779 Many napoleonic wars era cavalry forces had sabers as main weapons. Even the units that carried guns arguably had the sword as a main weapon in some battles as the firearms at the time were not well suited to charges or melees.
skallegrim deserves more recognition, glad to see asmond watching this one
Your point about sledgehammers and splitting wood is great! especially for sledgehammers. Let the mass do the work! Lift if let it drop with a tiny bit of extra force input but don't slam it like crazy. I have split 1 meter long logs with 1 or two wedges ,probably hundrets of them over the time. When you smack the wedge like a maniac, you only deform the wood around it, because your massiv amount of energy HAS to go SOMEWHERE. It either gets used up as energy while squishing the wood around the wedge or as a kick back into the handle and from there into your hands witch tires you even more/hurts your wrists in the long run. You need to give wood some time to react to the stresses you create in the log. You can hear them crack for several seconds after each hit. I would say 90% of the work slitting wood is lifting the sledgehammer. Not the swinging part.
Huge Skallagrim OG Fan here, so nice to see him get some publicity! He deserves it all
Thank you. :)
Real swords feel like really long chefs knives, they're super light. The super big ones in animation and games are obviously just to look cool, a knife doesn't do more damage just because its more massive past the size of a normal sword.
Swords can be extremely diverse!
@killerkraut9179
All things can be diverse but practical?... idk about that.
@@x0gucx Straight swords can be practical
, many different curves can be practical as well!
Halberds even better. Most of the polearms really. Spears were far easier to wield effectively, and a fraction of the cost and time to make.
Polearms are king 🗿
I'm glad Asmon mentions you have to take into account the weight of the hilt because they add a good bit of weight to the sword. I have watched the Berserker anime and the one with Guts with the mercenaries when they weren't fighting an enemy he was off on his own constantly lifting his sword up off the ground and dropping it, it took me a bit to understand why he was doing that then I realized it was a type of exercise like lifting weights keeping his muscles built up so he could lift his sword in battle. In Elden Ring your character puts their whole weight & strength into swinging a greatsword or colossal sword & it drains the stamina bar fast. A viking historian said she has seen the skeletons of vikings and what they were buried with swords, jewelry etc. & they weren't bigger than most people today . She said if people got their asses kicked they would have to come up with some excuse why they lost like vikings are giants. There are sometimes freak of natures like Andre the Giant that are just genetically going to grow to be huge . The Goliath from the Bible was just taller than everyone else so people called him a giant.
Also vikings average height was only 5'7" or so. The Jarls and Berserkers may have been as tall as 6'4" (all of the data from the Denton mass grave supports this estimate) but even that height is not considered exceptionally tall by modern standards.
Yeah, what they DID have was that they were stronger on average due to a harsh life-style, the average joe today probably doesn't train even half as much as the common viking or hell, farmer. The latter probably didn't get as much out of it because of low nutrition, but if you had the time to train all day, AND eat plenty of enriching meat and vegetables? Yeah, i can imagine they got pretty beefy.
@Akrilloth What they didn't have though was plentiful access to many of the fruits nuts and other food stuffs that keep you healthy. Vikings were a seafaring people so it wasn't common to have fresh red meat. They had dried meats aboard ship if they were very lucky fresh fish seal and whale when the could get it, little in the way of spices save salt (pepper was reserved for tribal chieftains and traded ounce for ounce on par with gold along the silk road) oranges and lemons were yet unheard of so scurvy was a real thing as sources of Ascorbic and Citric acids were practically nonexistent in the northern latitudes. Cuts of any kind were likely to be debilitating if not deadly (no antibiotics or even proper hygiene) and they were nearly always moving and fighting so the amount of rest they could get wasn't conducive to good muscle repair. Privation living only produces strong men and women because it kills off everything else. Truly a fight for survival
Rollo (Rollon of Normandy or Hrolf) was 6'5. A massive size for that period. No horses could even carry him.
Can you explain a bit about this "denton mass grave" you mentioned?
well given that In the U.S. population, about 14.5 percent of all men are six feet or over id say yes given today's standard anything over 6ft would be tall yes and I'm 6'7" saying this, yes that is tall.
Asmon should do a tier list of medieval weapons
And then have it rated by skal
4:30 the reason the slower punches hit was because the punches took less time. Let me explain, the first 2 punches he threw had him pulling his arm and shoulder back to throw a heavier punch, the moment he started to engage his sholder mucles and started to pull his arm back, the receiver started to react, but the slower punches hit as a result of him simply skipping the "pulling back" of the arm, shortening the time it takes, and the impact. Simply put, its a faster punch with the drawback of less impact, but the amount of punches that land are vastly higher than the amount of heavy punches he would have had to of thrown for the same amount of hits.
That is his point.
A good way to overuse a heavy weapon is basically by spinning because if your going for a strike with a greatsword you can use that downwards momentum and turn your body to do another strike, instead of letting the blade hit the ground you can utilize the weapon's own weight to keep the momentum going for more spins without having to use most of your energy trying to raise the sword back up, you could get dizzy this way but there is more ways to keep a huge weapon like this going when it comes to more consecutive hits, without using too much energy.
Like garen from League of legends
If you spin the opponent would just stab you in the back or any other exposed area. Spinning is basically never a good idea and it has been a meme in the swordfighting community for a while now.
"I'll try spinning, thats a good trick"
@@rigel9228 From the back? They can stab you on all sides my guy and besides they can't do anything if your spinning with a long blade, blade will hit them before they can hit you that's the point of a greatsword, its not just power it also has reach.
Montantes (spanish greatswords, basically) were used like this. They were largely bodyguard weapons, and took advantage of the momentum to keep it spinning, some of the treatises even show kicking it into motion to start. A big part of it is how nobody wants to try stabbing you because they would be walking into the place where the big sharp metal blade is spinning, and people generally don't want to die.
@@GrayeH That's interesting about Montantes and yeah haha stabbing wouldn't do much against a spinning greatsword, especially if the wielder has great build and posture, a true master could use it in that manor but I'm confident that they wouldn't say its easy that's for sure.
I love how actually educational commentary from Asmon can be
imagine having to shapen the blade everytime you drag it on the ground or slam it on the ground, or even using it in close/tight spaces
Depending on who you were fighting against, say an armoured foe, you would be wanting to do more blunt damage than trying to cut anyways. Even against unarmoured people, a sword like the zweihander, blunt or sharp is gonna do massive damage and take them out of battle.
It could even be better for it to be blunt and not have to worry about it cutting deep and getting stuck say in a arm/leg bone or armour and just crushing the body part making it useless.
im pretty sure if you can afford a weapon that big you can afford to have it sharpended nevermind the fact that if one had access to a blade that big and learned how to use it they more than likely wouldn't choose it for close quarters fighting. Giant swords in history weren't used that way they were used in larger battlefields where they could be used more effectively cause in real life people learned how to use more than one weapon and chose kit based on the applications requirements.
against armor not very useful but against standard light infantry it can be effective I suppose@@showmemoviesnow
You just described early game Monster Hunter
"What food did they not have?" POTATOES. Potatoes coming over to Europe had an insane impact on nutrient availability and just making people bigger because they weren't starving.
Knights were portrayed as thin in Medieval art.
Also theres the fact that people are scared shittless in battle understandably so they can and will loose their lives so having a piece to stick in your hands proped againts the ground vs cav or just poking the oposite footies not having to close the distance (also most people dont actually want to kill the oposite side so not being close to other people is amazing for littraly distancing yourself from the murder) with them is way more effective in an actuall battle.
As people have said, the greatest lost of life occurs after an army loses organisation. Training is about building the disciplin to not break ranks and flee.
Cavalry dominated war for this exact reason, and grew heavier and 'stronger' in response to footmen becoming tougher and harder to force a break.
For this reason as well, lives lost in formation is technically more acceptable than out of formation, as that constant cohesion represents a persistent threat in the field.
Stamina would also be a major issue with a sword like that. I'm no expert, but lugging around a very heavy sword to war would put a burden on you even out of combat and even more fighting with it for hours on a battlefield.
Zweihanders, Claymores, they are from a very specific era where infantry combat rules the battlefield and they became a very integral part of early pike and shot warfare. They were primarily only used by the most experienced members of a company and/or by shock troops in order to open up/soften the lines of pikes.
They were not however more than 10-15 pds at the very most and were for a very specific purpose, otherwise for executions.
The way I look at it is super simple:
If Big ass Buster swords were usable, then people would have used them in battle, and they would be in Historical Museums. But they weren't usable, and therefore they aren't in Historical Museums.
If you want a giant blade with reach and versatility, just use the halberd.
wait i remember i watched somewhere that bigger and heavier swords were only for training since if you manage to get used to using them, you will be able to swing a normal sword much more effective
They made the swords bigger the wrong way. You make them LONGER until they qualify as artillery. Then suddenly there's a 120ft tall blade falling down on your troops. 😎
Guts didn't only train with huge swords since he was a kid. When he became a full blown adult, the guy stood at an insane height. He is literally the brick wall women talk about.
When David killed Goliath using a sling and a stone, he went up to his fallen foe, took the giants sword, and cut off his head.
Slings get no love tbh. Theyre so cool
Everybody gangsta until the lead ball comes close to say 'Hello' at full speed.
If you're inhumanly strong then they're probably great.
Imagine for instance you just had a lightsaber, but instead of the blade being normal length, it had an extra 3ft on the end.
Zweihander, Zeitgeist, Doppelganger, Blitzkrieg, Uber
The thing about a spear is that it's a useless thing you have to carry around, everyone owned one, but nobody carried one around all day considering they probably have a knife or axe or something on their belt. You would grab a spear and shield if you knew you were going into battle, not a daily accessory.
the most practical way to use a very large and heavy sword in battle is to carry a small faster weapon with it just in case you regret bringing the large sword
Switching to your secondary is faster than reloading
There are historicall extremely long swords what exist over 1.70 meters long and over 4 Kg heavy !
The samurai had a weapon that predates the katana, called Odachi. The sword would measure approx. 60 in (148 in is one of the largest one used in battle) and typically used on horseback. It made it impossible to draw from a scabbard (on the waist), users would carry them on the back or hire a sword caddie.
It was as heavy as swihander
The Odachi isn't the Buster Sword/Dragonslayer sword size. Yeah it's long but it's not that thick. It's more in line with historical European greatswords in terms of general weight/and size. No-one disputes those swords and swords of those size were used. Even then as you said the Odachi was used on horseback. It wasn't typically used on foot. The dude Skallagrim and Asmon are responding to are fantasy swords 5-6 times the weight and size of an Odachi. Which were never used and downright stupid IRL
The o dachi - literally ‘great/big’ sword - was not usually the primary weapon of the samurai (although neither was the katana). But in the 500 years when the o-dachi wasthe primary secondary weapon, before the katana superseded the o-dachi during the sengoku period, samurai combat was mainly horse-borne and the primary weapon was the bow fired from a horse. The o-dachi only being used if the samurai was unhorsed (or had killed his opponent and was taking his dead opponent’s head). After the katana superseded the o-dachi as the primary secondary weapon the o-dachi became a mark of social stature, since if you were carrying one it usually came from your great great grandfather. But also because you wouldnt want to use it in battle so if you had one in battle you probably were a commander far from the front line of the battle. But just to be clear, the o-dachi was not a huge weapon. It just had a longer blade and a more curved grip.
@@Midori_RingoYeah, even the largest odachi that was used in battle weighs around 7 kg, even when the blade length is at 2.25m. (Including the handle, the whole sword will be around 3m or more.) That sword was also mentioned in one of Skallagrim's videos.
@@darkshark3906 It could be, but odachi is a pretty vague term, it just means "big sword" (o-tachi, big-sword) so it could be anything from 90cm bladed ones that are more longsword sized to huge 140cm ones.
One example of how nutrition has changed a lot even in just recent history is that it would be impossible to make a hamburger more than 70 years ago except for maybe 2 weeks per year. Tomatoes, lettuce, onions, the stuff used in making the sauces, etc are not necessarily in season at the same time, and do not necessarily grow well in the same regions. When you make them locally you get 1-2 harvests per year and a hamburger requires them to be fresh, and hothouse farming did not exist before electricity and was not affordable until electricity became a lot cheaper. Making hamburgers year round required advances in low-cost sea shipping so that vegetables and fruits could be imported from far away without them being prohibitively expensive. Shipping costs decreased by about 90% between 1940 and 1960 because of containerization - they started putting the whole semi trailer on the ship instead of hiring people to empty a truck and fill a ship one object at a time.
Hamburgers in medival times XD You know a peasent could only dream about sword right? They were expensive. Set of armor+shield+sword was more expensive than a villiage. If you can afford that you cant afford a sword? LoL.
Scottish guy here.
Part of the claymore that everyone forgets is that it was essentially a body guards weapon built for crowd control. It's size and weight makes it hard to use as a proper sword but is perfect for long sweeping blows that's going to keep people away. It was useful, but people need to remember that war wasn't a tournament of 1 vs 1's. The same thinking would disqualify crossbows and the initial firearms.
It can be useful, but it needs to be part of unit where others are covering it's short comings. Sort of like the whole Spartan thing where they cover each other. So it could be useful but that use case is pretty far inbetween and it offers the user a lot more vulnerability than the others which is an obvious reason to not want to be the one with the big sword. Generally, I could see it's best use being in guerilla warfare which Scotland was famed for (something they used against the English, the Romans and would later evolve into the S.A.S. started by a Scottish guy that James Bond is based on).
Best case scenario would be something like a 3 vs 3; if the enemy all have normal swords and your team has a claymore and two normal swords; then the claymore can aggro and crowd control all three with it's long arc swings while the 2 others intercept mistakes from the 3 that are focusing on the big sword.
The whole thing about Gut's is on point and his weapon choice does reflect his character well; he sacrifices himself in order to throw that devestating weapon and if it misses he knows he's gonna try tank whatever comes.
The anime big swords are still just insanely unuseful though. That's comic book shit like Daredevil's deafness giving him superpowers; pure fantasy based on a level of reality but blown way out of proportion.
At this point I don't even have to watch any other channel. Now Skallagrim is featured too? what's next? Demolition ranch? lmao
Shadverstiy's titan sword is still the most practical looking giant sword I've seen.
A couple of things:
1. People of the past did have access to the nutrition now adays, but not all the time (famines and trade being massive factors), and not always in safe forms (to preserve food, they would salt it to the point of inediblity, where the only way to eat them would be to boil out the salt from the food).
2. Vikings (ancient norse) weren't bigger or more terrifying to fight than other people, its just that they were good navigators that chose to target a lot of lightly defended areas to raid and colonized a lot of areas.
3. Another reason why giant and chunky swords aren't popular is because they tend to get stuck into their targets and are way harder to take out of their targets. Also, if it is a flat blade, then that is going to snap like a toothpick on contact
Grabbing the blade of the sword is a valid technique. Knights used to sometimes hold the blade and use the guard to bash in the helmets of enemy knights
I hope Asmongold reacts to more of Skallagrim's videos
You're absolutely spot on when it comes to nutrition. Humans have added several inches to their average height over the last couple hundred years alone, and it's all due to better nutrition. And when it comes to the conception of Vikings as tall, even modern studies have shown that if you see someone with a weapon in their hand, your fear response will make you think they're taller and stronger than how they actually are. So when it comes to a roving band of raiders who show up out of nowhere in the middle of the night that you're completely unprepared for? Yeah, people are going to tell stories about them as if they were giants, because they made them feel small and helpless by comparison.
To be the size of the dudes we consider massive is not practical, 16k+ calories a day is insane he trains for half a day and eat the other half. Tom Stoltman is 185kg (400 pounds) he cant hide a horse! he can only be carried with almost nothing with him. You cant move around at this size in the old days, they are SO BIG they use oxygen machine to sleep.... we are at the limit
That didn't make them less strong: how do you explain ancient Greek olympics, or Roman gymnasiums, or 180lb longbows, or that men and boys were mandated by law to practice fighting with weapons every Sunday after church? Please, do your research.
There was a knight known to climb up the underside of a ladder in armour with just his hands for a workout. Another knight jogged around the castle in armour and climed a gap between two walls about 3 feet wide (about 2 and a half elms, if I remember correctly). Plus, the average height of a medieval European was 5'7" (the armour from the time also shows this). Also, while I don't know how tall vikings were, and don't condone racial inferiority theories or eugenics, it is a well known fact that modern day Scandinavians are, on average, one of the tallest ethnic groups.
Appendment: The Netherlands has the tallest avarage height of any country, nowadays.
P.S. Viking remains indicate they were 5'8".
@@user-lv5rd6kb5o What you are writing makes no fucking sense, 120lb in pull force is not hard (90kg for people that have rowing machines in the gym and are not American), people run with gear in the military. Fastest runner is 6'5, strongest dude is 6'8, fastest swimmer is 6'4 with 6'7 wingspan, Marathon was done in 2 hours... we are Aliens compared to old humans.
I think the Berserk logic is that you need a big sword to slay a demon, and that's it. The demons would eat other swords with their big demon mouths
Having personally watched a claymore break the fork of a moving dirtbike, yes, giant swords had a use.
A claymore is not a giant sword.
Finally, asmon reacting to a skallagrim video, next try shadiversity pls
I always like Skally's content thanks for boosting 😂
Something people forget about anything involving weapons is a sword or spear or whatever you want is a tool usually designed with the intent of killing another being, and that main reason is why giant sword compared to a spear is not even close in terms of just straight up lethality. Even in an argument where you were stronger than normal and you could semi-wield a sword that large you still lose in lethality but also in so many other categories. A spear is easier to make, easier to wield both in weight and technique for attacking, and a spear has the biggest advantage that we still exploit in modern day weapons, piercing. You fight someone with full body armor, a giant sword might toss them around and break bones if you get really good attacks in, but if you don't get those advantageous scenarios then you need to throw that sword hard enough to not only break through the armor but also damage the person in it which will be harder since the blade is so thick to cut through that much metal if you aren't able to just overhead swing and let the weight carry it all the time. As apposed to a spear where you simply need to aim for vitals and have the strength to shove it through the armor, but with the spear it's designed to easily break through a small area and pierce anything behind it. It's why guns are one of the best weapons ever created because they're simply piercing weapons that are the fastest and strongest we've ever had, depending on the gun and the bullet it can pierce even metal armor easily, they attack at alright - very far ranges, and they can be used by nearly anyone no matter their strength.
People often forget that even in berserk the charater would point out how guts sword is absurd and more of a giant hunk of metal with a sword hilt than a actual sword
Why they hell would you need a giant sword when you can use a halberd?
Gotta appreciate Skallagrim reaction! This is surprise, but a welcome one for sure!
Asmon Junior: It is wat it is...
Senior Asmon: There it is!
I actually also googled average size of "early humans" and first site said
"40,000 years ago: European males - 183 cm (6 feet). Cro-Magnon people were the first modern humans (Homo sapiens) to inhabit Europe. These hunter-gatherers lived a physically demanding lifestyle that would have required greater body strength than the average human today. Their recent African ancestry may have also affected their height, as tall, long-limbed builds are useful adaptations to the warmer African climate.
10,000 years ago: European males - 162.5cm (5 ft 4 inches). A dramatic reduction in the size of humans occurred at this time. Many scientists think that this reduction was influenced by global climatic change and the adoption of agriculture. Agricultural communities suffered from malnutrition as a result of failed crops and a more restricted diet. Furthermore, a close association with domestic livestock introduced new diseases into human populations.
600 years ago: European males - 165 cm (5 ft 5 inches). Poor diet and health were the main causes for the shorter stature at this time.
Today: European males - 175 cm (5ft 9 inches). "
Obviously swinging what is basically a refridgerator around isnt going to work. BUT if you were able to swing one of these swords around like the characters that wield them do, itd be incredibly effective.
Asmon watching the goat Skallagrim 😱 never knew you were a man of culture! Respect.
20:00 people forget that the strength people had back in the Viking days are completely different from nowadays. Big muscles doesn't equal great strength. All you have to do is outlast them. Vikings ate a lot of dried meat, fish, nuts, berries and vegetables because you always prepared food for the winter. If you spend your life eating that kind of food and doing hard labor and training all year around - the strength you get is beyond anything you get from just doing weights in the gym.
Any of the strong men or body builders you mentioned would get bodied against a legit warrior from those days and it's not even a question. Hell, these body builders stand no chance against a modern day experienced fighter.
Also knight in europe were noblemans. Rich people.
There were swords this tall used in the past, but it was rare and the blade itself was never that large which cuts a lot of the weight.
the game "Outward" has a weapon called "Cleaver Halbert" which is basicly a functional greatsword. Check that out if you can, that might even solve the balance issue with the sword in general.
Again the time it takes to actually do next swing you would get poked with the speed of a fly
I think it is possible that if a creative and competent fighter does a challenge like "I train only with giant swords for 1 year" he could come up with a style and a usage for this big mass of stuff that you swing around. But the sword could not weight more than 5 kilos, even when giant in size, otherwise even extreme athleticism could not cut it
It would end up being a zweihänder/montante/spadone training but with a slightly heavier weapon (that class of swords usually go around 2-3 kg)
Important note: Zweihander was used as a BOARDING PIKE. The damn thing was barely used as a typical "Sword" in the way people would consider it, and really only one person ever used it (and rather famously at that).
What about the Landsknects? They were renowned for their use of Zweihanders specifically those in the Doppelsöldner
Here in Norway we had a guy a few centuries ago called Sterke Nils (Strong Nils). He's known to have been almost 8 feet tall, and a small boulder he lifted is now a display in one of our inner states. The boulder doesn't look big compared to the giant ones you can see in movies, but it weights around 300 kg, and he lifted it straight off the ground and threw it a few meters. He was big, and insanely strong, even compared to the strongest people today.
Average height for humans have varied greatly over the time the species has existed, and there have been found ancient bones indicating that there were some offshoot species of human (not homo sapiens or homo homo sapiens) that were over 9-10 feet tall (over 3 meters), and they were likely regarded as demigods and the like. Many cultures from al across the world have depictions that show similar looking giant humans, often granting knowledge and equipment to the native populations. This has fueled discussions in conspiracy forums, some of it about some master race that ruled the whole planet before suddenly vanishing.
Just get stronger duh
Skal is a pure legend, Shadiversity and metatron are great to watch also.
The blunt section on a blade is called a ricasso.
For big guys in the past the story of David and Goliath isn't the story people think it is. It's basically like Indiana Jones, big guy challenges him to a sword fight and David brings a sling which is the equivalent to a gun of that time and shoots Goliath down. People don't realize how deadly slings were as they hurl stones strong enough that it could crack a skull and was easily a fatal weapon. People think the lesson is about the little guy taking down a big guy but really it's more like don't bring a knife to a gun fight in modern terms.
Then again, Goliath is said to be only around 6'9" so it is still possible for him to exist. Hell there are a lot of historical people with exactly that height who were known for wielding huge swords.
From what I've read, listened and watched - Vikings had more dairy in their diets than other cultures. Dairy builds the bones, which iirc, is the greatest contributor to height. It was same with germanic and celtic tribes in roman times. Dairy disappeared from the diets of early medieval peasants due to poverty, hence the vikings were taller. The only poor norse people were slaves, and they weren't really what we think of as "vikings". The nobility were often vikings (ie. sea raiding warriors and traders). Nobles have good diets. Hence, vikings were tall.
The average height of a Viking male was about 173 cm (5 feet 7 inches), while Viking women typically stood around 157 cm (5 feet 2 inches).
Malnutrition is one hell of a drug.
@@brilobox2 well yeah, it's not like they could grow anything super nutritious in the north at the time
Hell fucking yeah Skall deserves all the views, dude is awesome.
There was a Fresian rebel and pirate by the name of Pier Gerlofs Donia who used huge greatswords in battle, they weren't as big compared to this but they were pretty much the upper limit you could get while still being functional
And then there was a person of almost the same height as him who wielded an odachi with a blade longer than his own height. Said odachi is only 7 kg so it is still perfectly wieldable.
Probably just longer zweihander than chonky dragonslayer
Elden Ring player: "Oh No! Not the BABY THRUSTING SWORD!"
I love how people make content that are for Asmongold specifically to react to.
Big bertha in minecraft was freaking huge and extremely useful
yea humans were smaller, plus there is not enough room in a pikesquare to swing a giant sword which were the most popular form of combat for like a millenia
“Gorillas could do it”. Everyone now picturing a silverback gorilla swinging around a greatsword as one of the scariest things ever…
Finally, baldy watches Skall; some good content for once.
Oh dope. I've been watching this dude for yeaaarrrs.
You do not just need super strength to use giant swords, you also need to be stupidly heavy, otherwise, swinging the sword also swing you around.
This is like comparing a Butcher Knife to a standard Kitchen knife.
Never been this early to a video before
Damn so early that there's only 1 comment 😂
Yeah that's how that works
Something to remember. The larger the object, the farther away the center from the grip and the sheer weight, the more force and control you need. And it is not a straight line. You need exponentially more and more power to move it at the same speed as a smaller object. Eventually you reach a point where you simply cannot exert enough power to move it effectively in combat.
Bottom line: if you cannot move the weapon at speed 5000 times in combat, it is too big for you.
11:30 Yes, they actually can cut a bullet. They have tested this before by setting the sword up and shooting at it and it split the bullet in half. It comes down to the fact that the sword itself can cut a bullet in half, but the person using it is obviously way too slow to react to it and move the sword to be able to cut it.