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I remember the days before the immediacy of entertainment, when we had to wait for the next week to watch the new episode of our favorite show. That's exactly how I feel right now. Thanks for the nostalgia and the amazing content.
Read a weekly manga! Jokes aside, now that I consume some media that has a weekly output I realize how good is waiting for something instead of just consume it all at once
Indeed, as Matt Christman noted once, in the before-internet times superbowl commercials used to be like the yearly monocultural meme crumbs allotted for public social bonding exchange. We love marketing don't we folks, tremendous, a lot of people are saying this.
Thank you for this wonderfully-done video! Will be doing an oral exam on the culture industry for a master's class and this gives a lot of insight into what can be a very abstract topic if not contextualized. The connections you make to the modern world give new light and perspective to Adorno and Horkheimer's ideas, which are anything but stuffy and outdated. Probably one of the first exam topics which i feel has such a deep and profound relevance to modern way of life, and learning about it will actually do something more than helping me along the path to getting a degree; thanks for helping me along that path!
Thanks so much. It always helps seeing these comments. RUclips is a super tough gig, and the channel (algorithm recommendation, stats, etc.) hasn't been doing good lately. This made my day.
Second time I watch this video, such a great job! I feel some of these subjects are as relevant today if not more than when the book was published, specifically with the resurgence of new variants of fascism and the faith in scientism. If anyone has any recommendations on more recent books that expand this work I'd be thankful to hear them.
I subscribed today. Americans are not trained to understand dialectics. Even with years at the University of Vienna studying philosophy, l find it a tough slog. I look forward to viewing this several times.
After watching this video i think i can say: if this is the dialectic of enlightenment in video form, then Playtime (1967) is the dialectic of enlightenment in film form. Prove me wrong
Hasn't nationalism been central to every, single successful Marxist revolution? Weren't xenophobia, and antisemitism specially, common in Marxist lead countries, like the Soviet Union?
Revolution? No, I certainly wouldn't say nationalism, at least how it exists(ted) in said states after revolution, was central at all. To the USSR and places like China after the fact? Yeah, as sad as that is. Pretty tragic that genuine working-class revolutions were subsumed into extremely gross, nationalistic creations.
@@epochphilosophy it's inevitable. People don't identify with others based on class. People identify with others based on common culture, common history, common language, common land, common religion, or common ethnicity, but not common class. As much as Marxists would like to see people transcend national identifies to focus only class, I don't see any evidence that will happen. That's why the global proletarian uprising Marx envisioned never happened.
@@Who-vt9oh I think it is more the totalitarian nature of it. At some point it wasn’t something that bubbled up from individual expression but enforced through totalitarianism, everything had to be submitted to another scheme or format and any deviation would be brutally suppressed, one again the eradication of the individual.
@@Who-vt9ohI think your forgetting a crucial point, the term "class" can only be rectified as an identity in an already existing capitalist system. The USSR and China back before they became communist, we're feudal economies with little industrialization happening, the culture was feudalistic and so its economy is feudalistic and vice versa. So they had to resort to nationalism and at times chauvinistic elements to gather the uneducated masses. Both of this things was something that Lenin and Mao have disagree quite heavily among their own party members.
More dreamer, utopian, idealistic philosophy from people who do not function in the real world. These theories are typically spouted by academicians; secluded, introverted writers; psychologists who live in their office; and other intellectual hermits who find everyday life too onerous. Give me a battle-scarred intelligent person who in his/her 60s or 70s can then set down a philosophy which reflects a truly lived life and whose works can help and inspire others.
I agree with you Christine. I think Adorno is saying some things of value. I disagree that simplicity is subjected onto the people but instead I think it is exploited and turned into a product by capitalism. It is taken from the people and put back out onto the people as a product while at the same time the worker has less and less time to engage with making the product themselves. Unless everyone can become highly educated on something like music for instance, and write complicated works at the level of Webern or Stravinsky, where can the working class non-academic have a voice in the art world ? We find this in folk music, blues music, and even in avant-garde/free jazz. These realms give the "untrained" musician, who might be from a poor working class background, a place to express themselves on their own terms. Taking Adorno in without this consideration is dangerous because it puts all the righteousness into academia and we are currently witnessing the dangers of blind faith in academia, which is essentially just humans (the bourgeoisie in particular). There is now a movement to reinstitute god into the culture, to put our blind faith back into god rather than science. It'll be interesting to watch the great undoing happening right now and where we will end up.
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I will give you money soon...
Hey i'd love to give a few bucks but cant commit to a month to month thing. do you have a paypal link or something i could flick a few bucks to?
@@Millylerks That is incredibly kind. I have a link here: www.paypal.com/paypalme/rb5network?locale.x=en_US
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I remember the days before the immediacy of entertainment, when we had to wait for the next week to watch the new episode of our favorite show. That's exactly how I feel right now. Thanks for the nostalgia and the amazing content.
Read a weekly manga! Jokes aside, now that I consume some media that has a weekly output I realize how good is waiting for something instead of just consume it all at once
I once watched a tv show routinely every week just because of this. It wasn’t particularly good imo, I found that I just liked the wait
Indeed, as Matt Christman noted once, in the before-internet times superbowl commercials used to be like the yearly monocultural meme crumbs allotted for public social bonding exchange. We love marketing don't we folks, tremendous, a lot of people are saying this.
Thank you for this wonderfully-done video!
Will be doing an oral exam on the culture industry for a master's class and this gives a lot of insight into what can be a very abstract topic if not contextualized. The connections you make to the modern world give new light and perspective to Adorno and Horkheimer's ideas, which are anything but stuffy and outdated.
Probably one of the first exam topics which i feel has such a deep and profound relevance to modern way of life, and learning about it will actually do something more than helping me along the path to getting a degree; thanks for helping me along that path!
Very happy to hear this turned out useful! Thanks so much!
I find all this incredibly spiritual. Theists and atheists can unite upon the monistic unity of our reality.
whats it mean
one of the best videos I ever saw and I read the book but only understood minimal portions of it, thank you so much
Of course! Thanks so much for the comment.
Absolutely brilliant video on a very difficult book. Great work as always!
I think your video editing and sound design has definitely reached a new high! Also, great choice for an influential, yet often overlooked text.
Thanks so much. It always helps seeing these comments. RUclips is a super tough gig, and the channel (algorithm recommendation, stats, etc.) hasn't been doing good lately.
This made my day.
Second time I watch this video, such a great job! I feel some of these subjects are as relevant today if not more than when the book was published, specifically with the resurgence of new variants of fascism and the faith in scientism. If anyone has any recommendations on more recent books that expand this work I'd be thankful to hear them.
You are brilliant, you deserve more subscribers!
I subscribed today. Americans are not trained to understand dialectics. Even with years at the University of Vienna studying philosophy, l find it a tough slog. I look forward to viewing this several times.
So happy to be rediscovering this stuff.
You said „21st century” a couple of times when you were meant to say „20th century” - other than that, very good video!
I came here from 1Dime. Great video. Subbed.
After watching this video i think i can say: if this is the dialectic of enlightenment in video form, then Playtime (1967) is the dialectic of enlightenment in film form. Prove me wrong
today is a good day ❤️❤️
Great work!!
Brilliant analysis!
Excellent work again!
Very solid.
Wait, I thought this was a patreon exclusive? Not that I'm complaining...
I have two exclusive videos up on the Dialectic of Enlightenment. All before this video!
@@epochphilosophy oh, well seems like I have to become a patron!
omg how do we get out!!
Maybe you just can't, you have to adapt to modernity, or else it will sweep you away.
Thanks for the videos, guys
Can you make a video on aristotles 4 causes and kant's rejection of the Utilitarian idea of teleological moral theory.
they would’ve hated our generation.
Hasn't nationalism been central to every, single successful Marxist revolution? Weren't xenophobia, and antisemitism specially, common in Marxist lead countries, like the Soviet Union?
Revolution? No, I certainly wouldn't say nationalism, at least how it exists(ted) in said states after revolution, was central at all. To the USSR and places like China after the fact? Yeah, as sad as that is. Pretty tragic that genuine working-class revolutions were subsumed into extremely gross, nationalistic creations.
@@epochphilosophy it's inevitable. People don't identify with others based on class. People identify with others based on common culture, common history, common language, common land, common religion, or common ethnicity, but not common class. As much as Marxists would like to see people transcend national identifies to focus only class, I don't see any evidence that will happen. That's why the global proletarian uprising Marx envisioned never happened.
@@Who-vt9oh I think it is more the totalitarian nature of it. At some point it wasn’t something that bubbled up from individual expression but enforced through totalitarianism, everything had to be submitted to another scheme or format and any deviation would be brutally suppressed, one again the eradication of the individual.
@@Who-vt9ohI think your forgetting a crucial point, the term "class" can only be rectified as an identity in an already existing capitalist system. The USSR and China back before they became communist, we're feudal economies with little industrialization happening, the culture was feudalistic and so its economy is feudalistic and vice versa.
So they had to resort to nationalism and at times chauvinistic elements to gather the uneducated masses. Both of this things was something that Lenin and Mao have disagree quite heavily among their own party members.
As always, I don't think I got everything.
I hate the Frankfurt school
Congratulations.
care to explain?
cultural hegemony that is the real problem
I think it's just one part of the problem
lmao at that anti-semitism cope, read K-Mac
More dreamer, utopian, idealistic philosophy from people who do not function in the real world. These theories are typically spouted by academicians; secluded, introverted writers; psychologists who live in their office; and other intellectual hermits who find everyday life too onerous. Give me a battle-scarred intelligent person who in his/her 60s or 70s can then set down a philosophy which reflects a truly lived life and whose works can help and inspire others.
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I agree with you Christine. I think Adorno is saying some things of value. I disagree that simplicity is subjected onto the people but instead I think it is exploited and turned into a product by capitalism. It is taken from the people and put back out onto the people as a product while at the same time the worker has less and less time to engage with making the product themselves. Unless everyone can become highly educated on something like music for instance, and write complicated works at the level of Webern or Stravinsky, where can the working class non-academic have a voice in the art world ? We find this in folk music, blues music, and even in avant-garde/free jazz. These realms give the "untrained" musician, who might be from a poor working class background, a place to express themselves on their own terms. Taking Adorno in without this consideration is dangerous because it puts all the righteousness into academia and we are currently witnessing the dangers of blind faith in academia, which is essentially just humans (the bourgeoisie in particular). There is now a movement to reinstitute god into the culture, to put our blind faith back into god rather than science. It'll be interesting to watch the great undoing happening right now and where we will end up.
No mention of the meta ironic point of producing ideological video content? C’mon man! It’s low hanging fruit.
it's obvious. he doesn't need to explain it, it is inherent : )
Is this suggesting to not watch films, and TV?
I don't agree that this critique is as successful as you are making it out to be. What do you suggest for alternatives to film and TV?
@@doclime4792 I wasn't saying to not watch TV and films. Are was asking if this video was saying that. I have no problems with television and film.