John this is a great video on the benefits (or lack there of) of the Fire Maple neoprene sleeve. I wonder how Jetboil's design is different. Their unregulated stove (i.e. Flash) uses a neoprene stove. The sleeve doesn't melt, and it permits you to pick the pot up and drink out of it by holding the neoprene sleeve.
I am assuming that JetBoil does system level design and testing. That means that the stove output is probably matched to the HX design. Remember, I am testing a Fire Maple Greenpeak with the Petrel stove, and it really wasn’t designed for that. Now, the petrel pot/neoprene sleeve should work with the Fire Maple Hornet II stove as that is supposed to be a system. Additionally, the neoprene sleeve may have been released after the Petrel pot per customer request. IMO, the neoprene sleeve is just too thin to act as a good insulator.
@@FlatCatGear Thanks for the fast response. I am a bit confused. 😀 I thought the Petrel Pot and the Greenpeak stove are made by FireMaple. Is the Hornet Ⅱ a regulated stove, like the Soto Windburner? Sorry for all of the questions, just trying to get a better understanding of stoves and their efficiency.
@@RudyHassallPMP Fire Maple makes the 300t, the Hornet II, the Greenpeak stove, the Petrel HX mug and a whole bunch of other stoves. After teh Petrel was introduced, they bundles it with the Hornet II as a sytem. It does not mean that all Fire Maple stoves work with all Fire Maple pots. You have to find the components that match each other. THe Soto WindMaster is regulated, the 300t, Hornet II and Greanpeak are not.
Always good to have a Captain Beefheart line in the title . And with Captain Jon at the helm demystifying the science in simple terms that even I can fathom out that makes good sense . As someone I admire greatly I would be very interested to hear your take Jon on the current craze for the campingmoon mini refillable canisters the benefits of carrying a miniature gas set up against the weight penalties for such a small compact set up.
I've looked into the Campingmoon refillable things. The cannister alone weighs like 6 ounces and fuel capacity is really low. Not seeing any benefit for us ounce weenies. Although they look slick. Maybe for car camping?
@@UnitedElectric I agree but it didn't stop me getting the 15g mini one to feel the disappointment , clearly we need a Titanium version for the full WOW factor to kick in.
Good video. When picking up something hot, isn’t the thermal conductivity of the material rather than just the surface temperature that counts? If the thermal conductivity is low (rubber), then at the same temperature it puts a lot less heat into your skin than something of the same temperature with high conductivity-metal pan. Think it’s the reason why fire walkers can walk over hot coals without burning feet, the coals have low conductivity. The amount of heat going into your skin causes the burns and this is a function of both temperature, conductivity and thermal mass (how much energy is there) . Just a thought. Did you try picking up with the cosy ? But agree, unless it thick enough to allow you to junk the heavy handle, the sleeve is not worth buying.
Fire walking works because the R value of the ash is so high that is acually insulates. The Fire Maple Neoprene sleeve is only 2 mm thick at most and yes, it was way to hot to pick up with my hand.
Very useful and detailed video. Only thing, please fix your audio, there is a constant very annoying whining while you speak. However, thanks a lot for the content
Thanks for the video. I was planning on purchasing the pot with the sleeve.
John this is a great video on the benefits (or lack there of) of the Fire Maple neoprene sleeve.
I wonder how Jetboil's design is different.
Their unregulated stove (i.e. Flash) uses a neoprene stove.
The sleeve doesn't melt, and it permits you to pick the pot up and drink out of it by holding the neoprene sleeve.
I am assuming that JetBoil does system level design and testing. That means that the stove output is probably matched to the HX design. Remember, I am testing a Fire Maple Greenpeak with the Petrel stove, and it really wasn’t designed for that. Now, the petrel pot/neoprene sleeve should work with the Fire Maple Hornet II stove as that is supposed to be a system. Additionally, the neoprene sleeve may have been released after the Petrel pot per customer request. IMO, the neoprene sleeve is just too thin to act as a good insulator.
@@FlatCatGear Thanks for the fast response.
I am a bit confused. 😀
I thought the Petrel Pot and the Greenpeak stove are made by FireMaple.
Is the Hornet Ⅱ a regulated stove, like the Soto Windburner?
Sorry for all of the questions, just trying to get a better understanding of stoves and their efficiency.
@@RudyHassallPMP Fire Maple makes the 300t, the Hornet II, the Greenpeak stove, the Petrel HX mug and a whole bunch of other stoves. After teh Petrel was introduced, they bundles it with the Hornet II as a sytem. It does not mean that all Fire Maple stoves work with all Fire Maple pots. You have to find the components that match each other.
THe Soto WindMaster is regulated, the 300t, Hornet II and Greanpeak are not.
Thanks for sharing the testing results ... I agree with you, the neoprene sleeve isn't worth buying ...
Yep, the R value is the materials thermal conductivity. Thanks for the great tests.
Always good to have a Captain Beefheart line in the title . And with Captain Jon at the helm demystifying the science in simple terms that even I can fathom out that makes good sense . As someone I admire greatly I would be very interested to hear your take Jon on the current craze for the campingmoon mini refillable canisters the benefits of carrying a miniature gas set up against the weight penalties for such a small compact set up.
I've looked into the Campingmoon refillable things. The cannister alone weighs like 6 ounces and fuel capacity is really low. Not seeing any benefit for us ounce weenies. Although they look slick. Maybe for car camping?
@@UnitedElectric I agree but it didn't stop me getting the 15g mini one to feel the disappointment , clearly we need a Titanium version for the full WOW factor to kick in.
Yep, the R value is the materials thermal conductivity. Like your tests. Thanks.
Good video. When picking up something hot, isn’t the thermal conductivity of the material rather than just the surface temperature that counts? If the thermal conductivity is low (rubber), then at the same temperature it puts a lot less heat into your skin than something of the same temperature with high conductivity-metal pan. Think it’s the reason why fire walkers can walk over hot coals without burning feet, the coals have low conductivity. The amount of heat going into your skin causes the burns and this is a function of both temperature, conductivity and thermal mass (how much energy is there) . Just a thought. Did you try picking up with the cosy ? But agree, unless it thick enough to allow you to junk the heavy handle, the sleeve is not worth buying.
Fire walking works because the R value of the ash is so high that is acually insulates. The Fire Maple Neoprene sleeve is only 2 mm thick at most and yes, it was way to hot to pick up with my hand.
@@FlatCatGearThanks for saving me a mis purchase of a sleeve.
Very useful and detailed video. Only thing, please fix your audio, there is a constant very annoying whining while you speak. However, thanks a lot for the content
Would the windmaster have an advantage in terms of fuel efficiency in windy conditions?
Absolutely,