That's pretty cool! I can't imagine it'd be too useful as a diagnostic aid, but what it DOES do is demonstrate a very real phenomenon in automotive ignition systems: Coil saturation. As charge frequency (engine RPM) increases, coil output power decreases. This is why automotive manufacturers have moved from single coil distributor ignitions to coil on plug electronically controlled ignitions. The extra few milliseconds each coil has to build a charge makes a huge difference to the amount of spark energy released at the spark plug, allowing for a bigger gap (better fuel burn) and more reliable high RPM operation. :D I may have to build one of these to use as an educational aid! Really cool!
Actually it's excellent for a coil tester. Resistance measurements won't tell you if the coil winding is breaking down due to the HV. With the tester you can see if the coil is able to produce a nice spark.
@@electronicsNmore the timing circuit and ability to change the frequency will be great for testing an automotive coil. Calculate the firing frequency at a specific engine RPM and use a capacitor to match that frequency on the test rig. Use an adjustable Gap spark tester and you be able to tell if your spark is breaking up at a specific RPM.
Holy crap, I built almost the same circuit 2 days ago. I edited the video and it's still uploading 2 hours later right now. I was swapping caps to alter frequency, drew out a chart with cap/frequency relation but left that part out. And YES the mosfet gets VERY hot! I used a .1mf cap in the end. I used a mini oscope to measure frequency and added a pot for frequency adjustment. i didn't go as high in frequency, measure current, or use an ignition coil. nice video! much better arcs and to the point.
hi there! seems You have decent research done, found some product at YUMINASHI (motorcycles), Denso IGNITION COIL (FOR 4V. ENGINES) - but not sure if suitable to use it or not on mine bike (I got 2valve single cylinder). I'm a bit lost as description "THIS DENSO DIRECT IGNITION COIL IS ONLY MENTIONED FOR 4 VALVE HEADS/ENGINES" what is difference ignition coil for 2 valves and 4 valves? - both cases are single cylinder.
Could this set-up be adapted to use to zap rats? I have built an enclosure with 3 pairs of electrodes placed 3/4" apart. I only want the circuit to fire when the rat steps on two electrodes simultaneously.
You can combine it with the device I designed below. Instead of triggering the door, have it trigger the coil connected to 2 plates. Thanks for watching! ruclips.net/video/Uci3WSozdgE/видео.html
My solder pot came in over the weekend. Actually I just got done using it for the first time like 3 minutes ago. Its still cooling down next to me. It works pretty well.
Glad you enjoyed it! Around 50mA. Be sure to share the link to this video on social networking sites, and check out my extensive video playlists for many other videos of interest to you. Thanks!
Hi EnM, Good job on driver and demo. Time to make a Jacobs Ladder looks like. Always excellent build quality on projects. Looks easier than working with a flyback transformer, to many pins, etc.. Happy Summer, Be good, C.
Hello! Thank you for the circuit! I made it and it's working perfect. Now i have a question. As i use it for spark plug tester, i wanted to increase the spark by using capacitors, as shown in many videos, but there's no nearly any difference in sparks, even when using 3 stacks by 3 capacitors. What could be the reason? Does this circuit gives reliable information about the spark of spark plugs? I tested old standard - copper spark plug NGK vs. new Iridium NGK, and there was almost any difference in the spark...
Clearly illustrates the need for a CDI (capacitive discharge) ignition system. As the frequency (RPM of the engine) increases, the coil's magnetic field doesn't have enough time to fully saturate before a spark is generated. Spark is diminished at high RPM's, so engine has less power.
Could you use something like this drive an electric fence, or is there enough current to be fatal? Just curious because I've been zapped by spark plug wires, but heard there wasn't enough amperage to kill you.
The current output is very low, "Usually", not enough to kill. You can use this for a fence, but I would reduce the input voltage for a less painful shock. Be careful, and use good quality insulators. Make it at your own risk.
@@electronicsNmore I've set up the schematic you sourced on a breadboard, and can't seem to get it to work. If I'm correct, the positive lead of the ignition coil connects to the positive rail, the negative lead of the coil connects to the 1N4005 diode, and the arc should occur between the center terminal of the coil and a ground connection?
Connect two 12 volt batteries in series to feed the coil 24 Volts. The brave and cautious could rectify the line voltage to see if the coil windings would withstand 120+ volts. That don't rectify the line voltage and feed the coil with 12+ volts AC. In the event the smoke stays inside the coil with 1200 line volts try 240
Hmm, not resolution. Boosting ignition coil can have bad results. Connecting two ignition coils on two drivers like: One driver is connected to first ignition coil like positive-negative and another driver going negative-positive connection (opposite connection terminals than on first). Connecting plus from first ignition input and minus from second ignition coil input giving serial connection. On this way one ignition coil became positive and another ignition coil becaise negative and potential difference between two ignition coils (center output terminals) will be doubled 20kV+20kV....
good vid, but IDK how the MOSFET is not failing from the inductive kickback! If you kill the MOSFET, consider replacing it with a FDP33N25. It is comparable to the IRFP250N and is cheaper than the IRF640.
I made a ignition driver circuit a while back based solely on a relay wired to self-oscillate. The coil of the relay was placed in series with the ignition coil, and the normally open contacts were connected across the relay coil so that when current flowed, it would activate the relay and then the relay contacts would close, allowing current to flow through the ignition coil contacts. Shortly after the relay contacts would reopen and because a
eNmore, Many times people ask me to build them electric fences or even farmers want this to control their cattle and if the output voltages are too high it become a problem. O key, one can control this by the length of the arc, but i still wonder how much the voltage really is.
SODA510 - Most electric fences are "pulsed output" so that in case a human should touch it, they would be able to let go between pulses. Also, some just store a charge to give the animal a shock and then slowly charge up again when discharged. The latter of those are usually the solar type. Considering the cost of posts, wire, insulators, warning signs, etc., the cost of a commercial electric fence controller is minimal. You're walking into nothing but trouble by making home made equipment like that. If someone were to inadvertently touch your creation and get hurt or killed, you would surely get sued, let alone how you'd feel if your device killed or hurt someone. Commercial manufacturers take into account that a human may touch it and work that into their design. (Pulsed output, known voltage and current output, etc.) Even then, they can still hurt people or possibly even kill them if they have medical conditions or implanted devices. I know you want to help your friends out, but this is something that you might want to think twice about. Just some friendly advice. :-)
I don't know what you mean by "liquid", but I built a circuit that runs a few tens of khz in an ignition coil, it seems to create a steady hot stream of plasma instead of a series of sparks.
@@deltab9768 do you mean Distribution Cap of automobiles, Or Do you mean Magneto Pull Start? Or magneto push start? Liquid? That word defines itself :)
It's similar to the coil shown here, just smaller. It was from a single cylinder engine with a battery driven ignition system. No, the spark isn't actually liquid, I've only tried making arcs in air. I think in water, the electricity would pass without actually arcing. There is a video of it on my channel.
I don't know, to be honest. It was a small generator, which had been abandoned in a seasonal pond, and shot full of holes. The coil was intact, but rusted and had no label on it. I think any ignition coil that has an iron core sticking out both ends, should work with this circuit. Also, any coil that has a core which loops around the outside might work, if you wound the "feedback coil" in the right place. The fully enclosed ignition coils like the one electronicsnmore has, may or may not work, depending on whether the core has an internal loop, and depending on whether or not the case is metal.
That .05 is real shit. That's lightning voice. If you restrictions LIGHTNING INTELLIGENCE then, well touching current is safe, that's the frequency Tesla played with. However, that dark mode plasma current sheet is deadlier than deadly. I'd rather touch 110 Direct Current that has a 10ohm resistance because of a ground wire acting as a positive tube? Odd. That should really be 125 DC... Hmm. That bandwidth was sick as _;
This will probably be the dumbest question so far but I need to know. How are you holding the center terminal in the igntion coil? I have one just like that and I'm not sure how to make that attachment.
It's wedged between the outer edge of the internal metal sleeve and the plastic housing. Thanks for watching! Be sure to watch my "High Voltage" video playlist and share.
Does that circuet work with pick up coils in distributor ? And is it posibel to fire dual ignition coils with diferent polarity ? And wuld it be posibel to advance ore retard those 2 ignition coils eua circuet? I also wanted to know if there is any posibility to shild baterry to not get effected be that sparks ore alternator protection circuet via ground
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an estimated 20,000v travels thru 1/4" of air can you test 1/4" copper water pipe as the electric line instead of a solid/wrapped copper wire ? "BioCurrent"
I am surprised, how those yellow primary crocodile wires could handle 5amp current. Mine melted quickly. had to put two in parallel for rest of the experiments...
Good video and your videos are well done. very in depth and helpful. Would it be ok if i email you as i have a few questions id like to ask you? I think you knowledge can be very helpful in my project.
I was wondering , if this were an ignition system in the car , where would be the spark plug ? Moreover, as long as there is a spark , what is the need for a spark plug at all ? !!!
The ignition coil feeds the distributor, not the spark plug. The distributor is what feeds the spark plug. Newer vehicles don't have distributors since the firing circuit is computer controlled, therefore the ignition coils are feeding the spark plugs directly.
waswestkan So helpful. Thanks ! Could you plz provide a link showing the ignition system in the car. I am so interested in producing a spark to light up my gas oven. I want to use the same a spark from a spark plug as in the car :)
That is way too much trouble! Just go get a pizeoelectric igniter off the web. That is what is used in BBQ gas grills. It produces a spark with either a 1.5v battery or just the push of the button. Using a spark plug you would need the coil and battery.
The 555 timer mofset gates, I think may be those rf Warp field induction phase component part(s). A FAILED attempt for "the arc of the covenant". Truth. Tie a knot in one of the wires lines. Ha ha ha lol
That's pretty cool! I can't imagine it'd be too useful as a diagnostic aid, but what it DOES do is demonstrate a very real phenomenon in automotive ignition systems: Coil saturation. As charge frequency (engine RPM) increases, coil output power decreases. This is why automotive manufacturers have moved from single coil distributor ignitions to coil on plug electronically controlled ignitions. The extra few milliseconds each coil has to build a charge makes a huge difference to the amount of spark energy released at the spark plug, allowing for a bigger gap (better fuel burn) and more reliable high RPM operation. :D
I may have to build one of these to use as an educational aid! Really cool!
Actually it's excellent for a coil tester. Resistance measurements won't tell you if the coil winding is breaking down due to the HV. With the tester you can see if the coil is able to produce a nice spark.
@@electronicsNmore the timing circuit and ability to change the frequency will be great for testing an automotive coil. Calculate the firing frequency at a specific engine RPM and use a capacitor to match that frequency on the test rig. Use an adjustable Gap spark tester and you be able to tell if your spark is breaking up at a specific RPM.
Holy crap, I built almost the same circuit 2 days ago. I edited the video and it's still uploading 2 hours later right now. I was swapping caps to alter frequency, drew out a chart with cap/frequency relation but left that part out. And YES the mosfet gets VERY hot! I used a .1mf cap in the end. I used a mini oscope to measure frequency and added a pot for frequency adjustment. i didn't go as high in frequency, measure current, or use an ignition coil. nice video! much better arcs and to the point.
Adjusting the POT will allow the mosfet to only be warm using the same coil that I used.
hi there! seems You have decent research done,
found some product at YUMINASHI (motorcycles), Denso IGNITION COIL (FOR 4V. ENGINES) - but not sure if suitable to use it or not on mine bike (I got 2valve single cylinder).
I'm a bit lost as description "THIS DENSO DIRECT IGNITION COIL IS ONLY MENTIONED FOR 4 VALVE HEADS/ENGINES"
what is difference ignition coil for 2 valves and 4 valves? - both cases are single cylinder.
Could this set-up be adapted to use to zap rats? I have built an enclosure with 3 pairs of electrodes placed 3/4" apart. I only want the circuit to fire when the rat steps on two electrodes simultaneously.
You can combine it with the device I designed below. Instead of triggering the door, have it trigger the coil connected to 2 plates. Thanks for watching!
ruclips.net/video/Uci3WSozdgE/видео.html
My solder pot came in over the weekend. Actually I just got done using it for the first time like 3 minutes ago. Its still cooling down next to me. It works pretty well.
Very useful that solder pot. :-)
Hey, thank you so much for sharing that info! I would like to know what is the current on the output with that setup?
Glad you enjoyed it! Around 50mA. Be sure to share the link to this video on social networking sites, and check out my extensive video playlists for many other videos of interest to you. Thanks!
I have a question: a diode 1N4005 from the negative pole of the coil goes to the "D" of the mosfet IRF640, this diode is it necessary...?
I don't see a reason, but there must be a reason for it. I didn't design that circuit. Thanks for watching!
Super job. Very useful i actually needed this the other day. Thanks
Thank You!
Sir,What is the output voltage and can you modify this without continuing spark.
Can i have circuit diagram please.
⚡️ 💥⚡️ 💥 nice ,,,. thanks for explaining and demo-ing !!!
By somehow changing the capacitance on the fly, could this be used in a similar way to a musical tesla coil?
You'd need to be able to quickly switch between different caps.
I was thinking that was probably the answer, several caps switched with a microcontroller. No point really, just a bit of fun.
use pin 5 of the ne555 to send amplified audio signal to it with a 3w amplifier
Hi EnM, Good job on driver and demo. Time to make a Jacobs Ladder looks like. Always excellent build quality on projects. Looks easier than working with a flyback transformer, to many pins, etc.. Happy Summer, Be good, C.
I have a very cool HV project coming up in 2 weeks using this driver.
electronicsNmore Hi, I will look forward to it. Really like your channel. Take care, C.
Hello! Thank you for the circuit! I made it and it's working perfect. Now i have a question. As i use it for spark plug tester, i wanted to increase the spark by using capacitors, as shown in many videos, but there's no nearly any difference in sparks, even when using 3 stacks by 3 capacitors. What could be the reason? Does this circuit gives reliable information about the spark of spark plugs? I tested old standard - copper spark plug NGK vs. new Iridium NGK, and there was almost any difference in the spark...
This circuit would be used to test ignition coils for proper operation, not the plugs.
+electronicsNmore
How then can i test plugs? I want to understand what is the spark, if the spark plug is running on engine?
Very cool, thx4sharing!
You're Welcome!
Clearly illustrates the need for a CDI (capacitive discharge) ignition system. As the frequency (RPM of the engine) increases, the coil's magnetic field doesn't have enough time to fully saturate before a spark is generated. Spark is diminished at high RPM's, so engine has less power.
Thanks for watching Charlie!
Could you use something like this drive an electric fence, or is there enough current to be fatal? Just curious because I've been zapped by spark plug wires, but heard there wasn't enough amperage to kill you.
The current output is very low, "Usually", not enough to kill. You can use this for a fence, but I would reduce the input voltage for a less painful shock. Be careful, and use good quality insulators. Make it at your own risk.
I couldn't tell what scale the meter was on. Could you do a chart?
Would this spark be sufficient in igniting a cloth and producing a flame?
I don't think it would ignite easily, but you'd probably get burn marks.
@@electronicsNmore I've set up the schematic you sourced on a breadboard, and can't seem to get it to work. If I'm correct, the positive lead of the ignition coil connects to the positive rail, the negative lead of the coil connects to the 1N4005 diode, and the arc should occur between the center terminal of the coil and a ground connection?
Nice! i would alsolike to see how to taser from that if you can
Thank you very much for the information you give.
it was great
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I'm interested how it would be with two ignition coils in series but with +- -+ connection to get higher voltage.
Connect two 12 volt batteries in series to feed the coil 24 Volts. The brave and cautious could rectify the line voltage to see if the coil windings would withstand 120+ volts. That don't rectify the line voltage and feed the coil with 12+ volts AC. In the event the smoke stays inside the coil with 1200 line volts try 240
Hmm, not resolution. Boosting ignition coil can have bad results. Connecting two ignition coils on two drivers like: One driver is connected to first ignition coil like positive-negative and another driver going negative-positive connection (opposite connection terminals than on first). Connecting plus from first ignition input and minus from second ignition coil input giving serial connection. On this way one ignition coil became positive and another ignition coil becaise negative and potential difference between two ignition coils (center output terminals) will be doubled 20kV+20kV....
good vid, but IDK how the MOSFET is not failing from the inductive kickback! If you kill the MOSFET, consider replacing it with a FDP33N25. It is comparable to the IRFP250N and is cheaper than the IRF640.
I made a ignition driver circuit a while back based solely on a relay wired to self-oscillate. The coil of the relay was placed in series with the ignition coil, and the normally open contacts were connected across the relay coil so that when current flowed, it would activate the relay and then the relay contacts would close, allowing current to flow through the ignition coil contacts. Shortly after the relay contacts would reopen and because a
Still going strong. :-) If it does fail, I'll swap it out. Thanks for watching!
@@power-max ... which is why in the traditional points-coil ignition there is a capacitor across the points.
Can i use this circuit in farm
But current is continues
How can i trun current into tweak
Hello!
Can I use two 9V batteries and a regulator instead of a battery?
No, they cannot supply enough current.
Hi eNmore,
Can i use a power supply to drive this circuit ? How can i calculate the voltage on the coil because i won't dare to use my dmm.
As long as the power supply is able to supply the current. Why measure the output?
eNmore,
Many times people ask me to build them electric fences or even farmers want this to control their cattle and if the output voltages are too high it become a problem. O key, one can control this by the length of the arc, but i still wonder how much the voltage really is.
SODA510 - Most electric fences are "pulsed output" so that in case a human should touch it, they would be able to let go between pulses. Also, some just store a charge to give the animal a shock and then slowly charge up again when discharged. The latter of those are usually the solar type. Considering the cost of posts, wire, insulators, warning signs, etc., the cost of a commercial electric fence controller is minimal. You're walking into nothing but trouble by making home made equipment like that. If someone were to inadvertently touch your creation and get hurt or killed, you would surely get sued, let alone how you'd feel if your device killed or hurt someone. Commercial manufacturers take into account that a human may touch it and work that into their design. (Pulsed output, known voltage and current output, etc.) Even then, they can still hurt people or possibly even kill them if they have medical conditions or implanted devices. I know you want to help your friends out, but this is something that you might want to think twice about. Just some friendly advice. :-)
I would really like a quick video explaining what is happening on the schematics.
HI, what is the rating of resistors you used in this project.
Hi there. 1/4W
at 3.2kHz does the spark become liquid state?
I don't know what you mean by "liquid", but I built a circuit that runs a few tens of khz in an ignition coil, it seems to create a steady hot stream of plasma instead of a series of sparks.
@@deltab9768 do you mean Distribution Cap of automobiles,
Or
Do you mean Magneto Pull Start?
Or magneto push start?
Liquid? That word defines itself :)
It's similar to the coil shown here, just smaller. It was from a single cylinder engine with a battery driven ignition system. No, the spark isn't actually liquid, I've only tried making arcs in air. I think in water, the electricity would pass without actually arcing. There is a video of it on my channel.
@@deltab9768 what's the part and model number of the single cylinder engine w/battery driven ignition system?
I don't know, to be honest. It was a small generator, which had been abandoned in a seasonal pond, and shot full of holes. The coil was intact, but rusted and had no label on it. I think any ignition coil that has an iron core sticking out both ends, should work with this circuit. Also, any coil that has a core which loops around the outside might work, if you wound the "feedback coil" in the right place. The fully enclosed ignition coils like the one electronicsnmore has, may or may not work, depending on whether the core has an internal loop, and depending on whether or not the case is metal.
That .05 is real shit.
That's lightning voice. If you restrictions LIGHTNING INTELLIGENCE then, well touching current is safe, that's the frequency Tesla played with. However, that dark mode plasma current sheet is deadlier than deadly. I'd rather touch 110 Direct Current that has a 10ohm resistance because of a ground wire acting as a positive tube? Odd. That should really be 125 DC... Hmm.
That bandwidth was sick as _;
Is there a way to make this circuit produce 600 sparks a second? & also can you show a diagram of the board?
Goto 4:24
This will probably be the dumbest question so far but I need to know. How are you holding the center terminal in the igntion coil? I have one just like that and I'm not sure how to make that attachment.
It's wedged between the outer edge of the internal metal sleeve and the plastic housing. Thanks for watching! Be sure to watch my "High Voltage" video playlist and share.
Can secondary coil gives continuous current?
Ok
Could I use a square signal generator instead of this?
As long as the frequency is high, and you're driving a transistor or mosfet to handle the current, it should work fine.
Thanks for sharing
You're welcome
Does that circuet work with pick up coils in distributor ?
And is it posibel to fire dual ignition coils with diferent polarity ?
And wuld it be posibel to advance ore retard those 2 ignition coils eua circuet?
I also wanted to know if there is any posibility to shild baterry to not get effected be that sparks ore alternator protection circuet via ground
the 555 is an oldie was the basis for alot of early music synthesizer...moog ...pia...and a few others
555 is the most famous chip ever designed.
thanks for sharing ...
Dommage le circuit ne fonctionne pas du tout. J'ai réessayé 3x sans succès... Peut-être que j'ai mal compris qu'elle borne je dois mettre à la masse ?
Hi thnx for sharing
Could u show us the elements and the diagram of cct
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I love the smell of ozone in the morning. It reminds me of............. victory
😀
7Fe 1/4oz
For heat sink, possibly
an estimated 20,000v travels thru 1/4" of air
can you test 1/4" copper water pipe as the electric line instead of a solid/wrapped copper wire ? "BioCurrent"
what is the capacitor voltage rating?
Refer to the link posted in the video description area.
good video, can Ignition Coil Driver for ozone generator
Yes
how much amperes are needed to start
Been a while, but at least 1A.
@electronicsNmore: The FCC is looking for you. 😝
No, they have far bigger fish to fry. 🤣
I am surprised, how those yellow primary crocodile wires could handle 5amp current.
Mine melted quickly. had to put two in parallel for rest of the experiments...
You must've used 1A rated wires.
plasma sound like a motorcycle
Good video and your videos are well done. very in depth and helpful.
Would it be ok if i email you as i have a few questions id like to ask you?
I think you knowledge can be very helpful in my project.
As much as I'd love to help you, I just don't have the time. If you have one or 2 simple questions, then no problem. Thanks for watching!
I was wondering , if this were an ignition system in the car , where would be the spark plug ? Moreover, as long as there is a spark , what is the need for a spark plug at all ? !!!
The ignition coil feeds the distributor, not the spark plug. The distributor is what feeds the spark plug. Newer vehicles don't have distributors since the firing circuit is computer controlled, therefore the ignition coils are feeding the spark plugs directly.
Marc Freeman Thanks for your explanation. I must see how a spark plug can convey a coming spark !
The spark plug creates a spark in the combustion charmer thereby igniting the air/fuel mixture, pushing the piston down to turn the crankshaft
waswestkan So helpful. Thanks ! Could you plz provide a link showing the ignition system in the car. I am so interested in producing a spark to light up my gas oven. I want to use the same a spark from a spark plug as in the car :)
That is way too much trouble! Just go get a pizeoelectric igniter off the web. That is what is used in BBQ gas grills. It produces a spark with either a 1.5v battery or just the push of the button. Using a spark plug you would need the coil and battery.
The 555 timer mofset gates, I think may be those rf Warp field induction phase component part(s). A FAILED attempt for "the arc of the covenant".
Truth. Tie a knot in one of the wires lines. Ha ha ha lol
GE color tv antenna model tv24706 made in china
For the fine tuner
the self oscillating relay set up is easier and imo better. I have one on my channel.
They work good, especially as a back EMF high voltage generator, but the contacts don't last too long due to arcing.
can you translat to arabic pleasssssssse
and?
And what?