I read stories about him years ago. Always good to here a perspective from men who will separate the truth from the fiction. I don't think I have ever heard just one version of any event that happened in the this time period. Hank, much respect to the work that you men do on this channel.
My father John Acevedo is part Apache from the Nogales Patagonia Tucson Sonora Mexico area, my grandmother told my father nobody ever caught the Apache kid, he lived his life with a lipan Apache girl in deep Sonora until the 1920s all Apache people knew this,
You kind of have to have that attitude when where you live people are like there's gold under that rock over there and after you dig up 5,000 rocks and haven't found any gold
Everyone was at war with the Apache and they were brutal . I’m sorry but things had to change . Things are horrible I’m just saying they arnt innocent but were definitely victims of a planned extermination and that is evil to me
Just watched and listened to the story. My youngest son will be so excited. He loves the old stories of of the west, the treasure, the Apache kid now he even has Louis Kanpur books being read to him and he reads to us. Loves stories! You all help his imagination run with these stories thanks for the time and efforts
You ole boys have done it again !Ive got to get out there and look at the mountains and and attractions s Thanks again to each and every one of you especially to David the camera guy maybe let him tell a good one one day
Have you done much homework on what the Indians were up to for a thousand years before the Spanish came over the Apache enjoyed eating the hearts and livers of their victims doesn't sound like too much fun
@Lewis Sharpe unlike Sioux warrior society- Apache were mortified of death and we’re very superstitious about all of it. To the point we would burn the homes and belongings of the dead and no longer spoke their names. It wasn’t until they came to present day SW where they were subjected to violence and mutilation (to the abhorrence of the Apache) Mexicans and Spanish alike would torture the living. Apache attributed scalping and acknowledgement when Mangas Coloradas was shot dead during a peace parley. Later the troops came back for Mangas head, cut it off boiled it in one of their cauldrons and kept the skull. From then on scalping was ONLY done for retaliatory strikes. What’s paradox about this misconception is Apache were actually bountied I believe by MX government for their scalps, even women and children - to which American settlers took up an ‘honest living’ doing so in Mexico. Also, why would an Apache scalp as was our custom to appease and avoid death spirits, the scalper who brought the piece, would have to stay out of camp for 4 days of purification - why would an Apache miss out on a Medicine Song and Dance after a battle or skirmish? To answer the remark of smashing of heads. Apache smashed heads with rocks to save ammunition, stealth strikes for obvious reasons, not solely for dismantling for The Happy Place. Geronimo would brag and say he didn’t even need guns but only rocks to take out the Mexican campaigns, not sure if literal or not, but you can sense the necessity to save ammunition- when needed.
It’s disappointing and very disturbing and bad spirit…..Apache is NOT our tribal name either…and all other ones too of our tribe names….they where all changed to fit the man and our names where hard to pronounce because different languages…..Research in the REAL HISTORY AND CULTURE BOOKS📚…..go deep in the real rabbit hole 🕳 you may not like what you see or hear, have a strong spirit and open mind…..now you think and really we had “tribal wars” who’s eye think freemasons..who you think trained my people/natives/indigenous to be “MERCENARIES”…..with guns and knives and callous hearts and spirit…….it’s just common sense think long and very hard and get the white wash elite establishment/corporations of masons out of mind clear the smokes….then you’ll see our tribe of spirit names….it ain’t these ones they created for us over the centuries….the truth is stranger than fiction it’s obvious and just plain common sense and real street smart and energy and vibration and universe and true spirit with discernment…..where trying to correct the massive myth and legends and the massive massive massive massive white white washing history and culture and science and written by the winners📚📖✍🏻(white elite masons and white corporations and governing governments)….a Creator(Great Spirit) of the universe historical fact….
The Kid must have been good at dodging as he had Micky Free on his trail at one time. One thing that seems to always be out of reach is who taught Al Sieber to be a scout or for that matter who taught Fredrick Russell Burnham to be a scout. Famous scouts that no one knows who taught them. If he was alive Tom Horn would take credit for it.
In my humble opinion I always like to think that they grew up in an environment where the natives showed these young men the lay of the land and after that its hell's bells
@@fargoholmes5442 The small amount I have heard is they were trained in Arizona. An Irishman taught Sieber around Prescott. Same area seems to have trained Burnham.
@Hank Sheffer I believe that Dan Thrapp's book mentioned an Irishman teaching Sieber around Fort Whipple. Later Burnham was in and around Prescott. It can be hard to trace these guys early on and the army was good at relabeling people's duties to keep them on the payroll. Can't pay for scouts? Pay them under the title of teamsters. Nothing new. As to knowing from childhood, Sieber spent his first 8 years in Baden-Baden. Then to Minnesota by way of Pennsylvania. Burnham spent his early life on a Souix reservation but considering the Dakota War of 1862, his education in Iowa and ending up in California at 12 his father dead, the rest of the family returned to Iowa and he working to pay off the family debts he had little time to learn to be a scout.
Southern Tonto, First Semi-band Apache from the settlement of Bylas and San Carlos Apache dog here. So glad I found this channel again in my new account, I loved the coverage on the Superstition Mountains💚 Also side note, yes murderers were released and you kinda paint the settlers of the Southwest as poor people who were passed justice. Maybe partially true but a HUGE thing back then was a law that allowed the government to payout to people who suffer loss of property due to Apache attacks or raids. This led reports of up to 93% being fraudulent last I read up.
@Hank Sheffer they will say the same thing about you and me when its our time ..Hank you know what makes me different from all the rest , i was smarter then the rest i found the mine and knew enough to leave it just the way it was .... i walked out alive ...lol
@Hank Sheffer there has never been a miner that could look at the lost Dutchman Mine and say what ? its not normal .. its breath taking and amazing at the same time as scare as hell it self . the hair stands up on the back of your neck and you know your being watched the whole time your near it ...and you have to force your self to turn and walk away ... i went around Earth 3 times in the navy before i was 21 .been in war zone . i have broke rock till my hands were raw meat . i seen life in side and out and i have never seen anything closer to GOD's art work then the LDM .... yes ....i did find it ... and its real ...! now i fight to see it one one more time ...i will be the last owner of the mine ... i made sure of it ...the gold means nothing ...my father told me if someone was to learn how to read the maps and solve the clues and rock hound and how to search and track they could find the mine with a little luck and a lot of hard work .. he was correct ..he pointed at me and said go find it .. i was 7 .. i remember his words as if it was yesterday .. he passed in 1984 ..my time is not long away but i will go back to prove it i have found it ...
@Hank Sheffer i fully agree if it was not for the spirit of the mountains i would not have gone back 17 times . 6 expeditions ..one of the thing i enjoyed most was setting and watching hikers pass by and never knew i was ever setting there ..i have seen some great wild life out there and some not so great .,..lol you take care Hank ...all i can hope is we leave this earth better then it was when we came here ...
My San Carlos Apache friends told me that he came back to the reservation a few times in secret and he and a number of others joined other Apache in the Mexican mtns. Also Tizmen is closer to strong beer not whiskey
In all my reading of the Apache, about twitzen you are correct. The Apache were the only American Indian tribe who used alcohol before a war or hunting expedition. All had some kind of drug for this purpose. They would bury the agave plant to let it ferment then dig it up after four days. This is what tequila is made from so it's no wonder why he was confused. Why I became intrigued about Apache and Arizona history is because my great-grandfather Theodore H. Harris with Charles McMillian discovered the Stonewall Jackson mine about 12 miles outside of Globe. All the history books have my great-grandfather's story wrong! This was proven by Harris' own statement in a December 13 interview in the Globe Miner in 1907, I think. My copy has been damaged and I need to get another. Anyway, in the article he mentioned the Apache Kid troubles. My great- grandfather mentions all the people who discovered silver in Globe. Hunky Dory Holmes was one. He would sing a song he wrote titled 'Hunky Dory' at the local bars. From what I read, Reynolds and Holmes were terrifying the prisoners on what it would be like in the Yuma prison. Eugene Middleton was nice to the kid and maybe tried to get the others to stop. The Kid was the only one who understood English. My great-grandfather left Globe, went to S.F., married my great-grandmother but lost his fortune in the great stock market crash of 1882 but went back to Arizona looking for a second strike. I have letters dating from 1878 to 1890 to my great-grandmother in my possession now, from various mining camps. My great-grandmother died in her 30's and Theodore later married Eugene Middleton's daughter, Elisebeth in 1892 but she died in childbirth. Her son was named Hervy Harris and my grandmother Geneva Hall Harris searched for him for years and what happened to Theodore. For some reason they hadn't communicated for years due to a family dispute of some kind. History is full of distortions, rumors and unsolved mysteries. Middleton became famous for leading union strikes in Globe where up to six people died by the guards hired by the mining companies. The death rate of the miners and their families due to pollution and various diseases, yellow or scarlet fever is shocking to our medically pampered society today.
Not long ago the globe people honered the sheriff as a hero. My grandma would tell us story's of the KID coming to visit, we were small n I can't remember but she would always say she wanted to marry him. Grandpa would always get mad! It was funny..
Hiya guys, what a awesome story, and I do know that it's a true story. I hope all is well with all you guys, and I hope yall stay healthy wealthy and I know yall are wise. And have a awesome blessed day. Cya! 😺🐟out!
The account of Toga de Chuz that Hank glossed over: Account from the Book Apache Wars pp 392-3. High in the Hills above San Carlos, Toga held a grand Tis-Win celebration, where later in the night would have words with Gon-zizzie, a warrior and brother to Rip. Rip had courted the Kids mother who was now married to Toga, and this feud had finally brewed over. Sieber got wind of this celebration sent Kid and few scouts little late to find Toga shot in his back, not far off was Gon-zizzie dead, whom friends had taken matters into their hands at that point. Getting on track - upon departure, for some reason, Sieber appointed the grieving Kid to head the scouts and warned him to not take vengeance. Gonshayee, the local band chief, kept instigating matters to where Kid and four others rode to Rip’s stead and Kid shot him through the heart. This is important as it then set off the chain of events with Sieber being shot, he called it betrayal from the Kid. Sieber Attempting several small campaigns against him, finally capturing, and to Kid’s imprisonment departure coup. Ultimately leaving scout life and going on his own. Notable, the campaigns against him lead by no other than his old friend and scout - Mickey Free.
Navajos were known as "head pounders" for their preferred method of dispatching enemies. Tzwin is corn/cactus beer rather than hard liquor. Apaches had a tolerance to alcohol more so than other north American indigenous tribes. Like your stories. Please keep them coming. Lvya. D
@Hank Sheffer Thanks for responding. Really appreciate all you do. I see an earlier response I missed. Watched "Apache Kid" twice and was able to enjoy more the 2nd time. Appreciate your knowledge and work. Your a treasure. Lvya. D
Hi Hank, great info. I was wondering Is your shirt your are wearing in this video a Moonshine brand shirt. I think I can spot the buttons on it. Thanks, Nathan
Great story. Hank lays it down with skill. Nice shirt. Weren't the Apaches in prison in Ohio and Illinois sent there from Arizona? Twists and turns galore! Thanks. Lvya all much. Shalom. D
I hate bothering you fine gentlemen, but after watching a few videos about a fellow by the name of Khayman Welch I'm curious as if you y'all have heard of him or could possibly make a video to get his name out, he been the longest unsolved missing person case near weaver needle and I'm so curious as to his whereabouts are
I heard the Apache Kid survived and died in Mexico a successful rancher in 1949. They say he scouted for Pancho Villa and made a large score of Carranza's gold. He bought land and lived large. And didn't need to steal women anymore.
No one ever claimed the reward for the Kid. Latest research suggests he died of tuberculosis in a camp in the Sierra Madre. Historians now believe that the Mexican captive Lupe, interviewed by Helge Ingstaad in Nacori Chico in 1937, was the Kid's daughter. Since her uncle was Apache Juan who was himself the son of Geronimo's warrior, Natculbaye, her mother must have been another child of his. Free Apache royalty
@@mysteriesofthesuperstition6793 would be awesome if you guys could do a livestream Q&A with a panel... also is clay worst still telling stories. Miss seeing him on the channel
My Apache friends said that he came back to San Carlos one last time in 1900 and returned to live in the Mexican mtns And for your information tizman isn't whiskey it's more like beer
I am only on the channel because I like hearing this man tell stories.
I lived in Globe, San Carlos, Tucson, and Florence and I hiked those mountains for 20 yrs and I never saw the kid either.
Can you tell interestingly what unique things you did see???
I always sign up to watch these great stories for great brain stimulation
Glad to hear that the Apache Kid may have been one of those that. "got away". Love these stories that take place around the Superstitions.
Thanks 🤗😀
Really enjoy the stories🤗😀
Attitude of gratitude for all you do and all you share.
Thoroughly enjoyed the entire program.
Great job as usual Hank see you next time
I read stories about him years ago. Always good to here a perspective from men who will separate the truth from the fiction. I don't think I have ever heard just one version of any event that happened in the this time period. Hank, much respect to the work that you men do on this channel.
My father John Acevedo is part Apache from the Nogales Patagonia Tucson Sonora Mexico area, my grandmother told my father nobody ever caught the Apache kid, he lived his life with a lipan Apache girl in deep Sonora until the 1920s all Apache people knew this,
Hello again from Tennessee. Another great story, God bless y'all.
Love the story! So happy to meet Hank a few weeks ago at the museum
Was he a visitor or an exhibit 🤣🤣
I love the way you quickly admit that a story, or parts of story’s are not confirmed , take it for what it’s worth.! Easy to watch..
You kind of have to have that attitude when where you live people are like there's gold under that rock over there and after you dig up 5,000 rocks and haven't found any gold
I truly loved that story Hank..You brought the past back to life for us.Well done!😊
Everyone was at war with the Apache and they were brutal . I’m sorry but things had to change . Things are horrible I’m just saying they arnt innocent but were definitely victims of a planned extermination and that is evil to me
thanx gentleman another intresting story
Excellent history lesson while I enjoy my morning coffee. Thank you for sharing.
omg that was awesome! best story ever! thank you!
This was a helluva story, can't wait for the next video/premier, great video.
That was probably the Southern Pacific
completed in 1881. Love your work, Hank.
Hit the Mysteries of the Superstition Mtns. LIKE button , to keep these stories coming. Great video, thank you
Thank you Mystery Crew for another awesome video!
Just watched and listened to the story. My youngest son will be so excited. He loves the old stories of of the west, the treasure, the Apache kid now he even has Louis Kanpur books being read to him and he reads to us. Loves stories! You all help his imagination run with these stories thanks for the time and efforts
Great story, thanks hank.
Ron
Excellent job at telling stories from our history. Thanks for all your wurk and time. Keepem coming.
Wow! Nice job…..well done.
You ole boys have done it again !Ive got to get out there and look at the mountains and and attractions s Thanks again to each and every one of you especially to David the camera guy maybe let him tell a good one one day
Another great Story! Huuuuge Fan from Germany. I love your Channel
I only heard of the Apache kid earlier this year, but until now knew nothing about him. Thanks for telling us about him.
Your like having the Duke, Matt Dillon, and Mad Jack (Denver Pyle) telling their stories first hand. Awesome stuff!
Love these stories from these old timers ⏲️ freaking talking history 📖
Just commenting for the algorithm 😆 thanks guys
Thank u Hank. From northern saskatchewan.
Good story, I've always felt sorry for the Indians, Apache were the last to be rounded up, they were the first, "HOMELAND SECURITY"
Unfortunately, to this day, America has not learned to treat them decently.
Have you done much homework on what the Indians were up to for a thousand years before the Spanish came over the Apache enjoyed eating the hearts and livers of their victims doesn't sound like too much fun
@Lewis Sharpe unlike Sioux warrior society- Apache were mortified of death and we’re very superstitious about all of it.
To the point we would burn the homes and belongings of the dead and no longer spoke their names. It wasn’t until they came to present day SW where they were subjected to violence and mutilation (to the abhorrence of the Apache) Mexicans and Spanish alike would torture the living. Apache attributed scalping and acknowledgement when Mangas Coloradas was shot dead during a peace parley. Later the troops came back for Mangas head, cut it off boiled it in one of their cauldrons and kept the skull. From then on scalping was ONLY done for retaliatory strikes.
What’s paradox about this misconception is Apache were actually bountied I believe by MX government for their scalps, even women and children - to which American settlers took up an ‘honest living’ doing so in Mexico.
Also, why would an Apache scalp as was our custom to appease and avoid death spirits, the scalper who brought the piece, would have to stay out of camp for 4 days of purification - why would an Apache miss out on a Medicine Song and Dance after a battle or skirmish?
To answer the remark of smashing of heads.
Apache smashed heads with rocks to save ammunition, stealth strikes for obvious reasons, not solely for dismantling for The Happy Place.
Geronimo would brag and say he didn’t even need guns but only rocks to take out the Mexican campaigns, not sure if literal or not, but you can sense the necessity to save ammunition- when needed.
The Apache have always been warriors. And if you understand anything about war you will know it is brutal.
It’s disappointing and very disturbing and bad spirit…..Apache is NOT our tribal name either…and all other ones too of our tribe names….they where all changed to fit the man and our names where hard to pronounce because different languages…..Research in the REAL HISTORY AND CULTURE BOOKS📚…..go deep in the real rabbit hole 🕳 you may not like what you see or hear, have a strong spirit and open mind…..now you think and really we had “tribal wars” who’s eye think freemasons..who you think trained my people/natives/indigenous to be “MERCENARIES”…..with guns and knives and callous hearts and spirit…….it’s just common sense think long and very hard and get the white wash elite establishment/corporations of masons out of mind clear the smokes….then you’ll see our tribe of spirit names….it ain’t these ones they created for us over the centuries….the truth is stranger than fiction it’s obvious and just plain common sense and real street smart and energy and vibration and universe and true spirit with discernment…..where trying to correct the massive myth and legends and the massive massive massive massive white white washing history and culture and science and written by the winners📚📖✍🏻(white elite masons and white corporations and governing governments)….a Creator(Great Spirit) of the universe historical fact….
Like your Templar necklace you put on nice stories ( T. )
Good telling of the story and probably about as accurate as an account of the Apache Kid as there is.
You should be in public schools teaching history really appreciate the history , from Vancouver bc Canada
The Kid must have been good at dodging as he had Micky Free on his trail at one time. One thing that seems to always be out of reach is who taught Al Sieber to be a scout or for that matter who taught Fredrick Russell Burnham to be a scout. Famous scouts that no one knows who taught them. If he was alive Tom Horn would take credit for it.
In my humble opinion I always like to think that they grew up in an environment where the natives showed these young men the lay of the land and after that its hell's bells
@@fargoholmes5442 The small amount I have heard is they were trained in Arizona. An Irishman taught Sieber around Prescott. Same area seems to have trained Burnham.
@Hank Sheffer I believe that Dan Thrapp's book mentioned an Irishman teaching Sieber around Fort Whipple. Later Burnham was in and around Prescott. It can be hard to trace these guys early on and the army was good at relabeling people's duties to keep them on the payroll. Can't pay for scouts? Pay them under the title of teamsters. Nothing new. As to knowing from childhood, Sieber spent his first 8 years in Baden-Baden. Then to Minnesota by way of Pennsylvania. Burnham spent his early life on a Souix reservation but considering the Dakota War of 1862, his education in Iowa and ending up in California at 12 his father dead, the rest of the family returned to Iowa and he working to pay off the family debts he had little time to learn to be a scout.
@Hank Sheffer Expensive outhouses paid for it. Not exactly the $100 toilet seats but hey, they knew how to bill things back then as they do today.
Thanks Mr. Sheffer, great narrating. I always wondered if the Apache Kid and Billy the Kid ever crossed paths? Just another mystery I guess.
@Hank Sheffer thanks for the input!
They were related, same last name... 🙂
They were brothers twin bros
watching from Ohio great job Smitty out 🙃👏👏👏👏
Smitty too MN
Awesome...thx
Very interesting, Southern Tonto Apache from the settlement of Bylas tuning in here
Don't believe it got to sit through whole premiere
Southern Tonto, First Semi-band Apache from the settlement of Bylas and San Carlos Apache dog here.
So glad I found this channel again in my new account, I loved the coverage on the Superstition Mountains💚
Also side note, yes murderers were released and you kinda paint the settlers of the Southwest as poor people who were passed justice.
Maybe partially true but a HUGE thing back then was a law that allowed the government to payout to people who suffer loss of property due to Apache attacks or raids.
This led reports of up to 93% being fraudulent last I read up.
My Great Great Grandfather and The Apache Kid had become good friends. My Great Grandfather later homesteaded in Apache Junction.
Great story Hank
@Hank Sheffer they will say the same thing about you and me when its our time ..Hank you know what makes me different from all the rest , i was smarter then the rest i found the mine and knew enough to leave it just the way it was .... i walked out alive ...lol
@Hank Sheffer there has never been a miner that could look at the lost Dutchman Mine and say what ? its not normal .. its breath taking and amazing at the same time as scare as hell it self . the hair stands up on the back of your neck and you know your being watched the whole time your near it ...and you have to force your self to turn and walk away ... i went around Earth 3 times in the navy before i was 21 .been in war zone . i have broke rock till my hands were raw meat . i seen life in side and out and i have never seen anything closer to GOD's art work then the LDM .... yes ....i did find it ... and its real ...! now i fight to see it one one more time ...i will be the last owner of the mine ... i made sure of it ...the gold means nothing ...my father told me if someone was to learn how to read the maps and solve the clues and rock hound and how to search and track they could find the mine with a little luck and a lot of hard work .. he was correct ..he pointed at me and said go find it .. i was 7 .. i remember his words as if it was yesterday .. he passed in 1984 ..my time is not long away but i will go back to prove it i have found it ...
@Hank Sheffer i fully agree if it was not for the spirit of the mountains i would not have gone back 17 times . 6 expeditions ..one of the thing i enjoyed most was setting and watching hikers pass by and never knew i was ever setting there ..i have seen some great wild life out there and some not so great .,..lol you take care Hank ...all i can hope is we leave this earth better then it was when we came here ...
My San Carlos Apache friends told me that he came back to the reservation a few times in secret and he and a number of others joined other Apache in the Mexican mtns. Also Tizmen is closer to strong beer not whiskey
In all my reading of the Apache, about twitzen you are correct. The Apache were
the only American Indian tribe who used alcohol before a war or hunting expedition. All had some kind of drug for this purpose. They would bury the
agave plant to let it ferment then dig it up after four days. This is what
tequila is made from so it's no wonder why he was confused.
Why I became intrigued about Apache and Arizona history is because my
great-grandfather Theodore H. Harris with Charles McMillian discovered
the Stonewall Jackson mine about 12 miles outside of Globe. All the
history books have my great-grandfather's story wrong! This was proven
by Harris' own statement in a December 13 interview in the Globe
Miner in 1907, I think. My copy has been damaged and I need to get
another.
Anyway, in the article he mentioned the Apache Kid troubles. My great-
grandfather mentions all the people who discovered silver in Globe.
Hunky Dory Holmes was one. He would sing a song he wrote titled
'Hunky Dory' at the local bars. From what I read, Reynolds and Holmes
were terrifying the prisoners on what it would be like in the Yuma
prison. Eugene Middleton was nice to the kid and maybe tried to get
the others to stop. The Kid was the only one who understood English.
My great-grandfather left Globe, went to S.F., married my great-grandmother
but lost his fortune in the great stock market crash of 1882 but went
back to Arizona looking for a second strike. I have letters dating from
1878 to 1890 to my great-grandmother in my possession now, from
various mining camps.
My great-grandmother died in her 30's and Theodore later married
Eugene Middleton's daughter, Elisebeth in 1892 but she died in
childbirth. Her son was named Hervy Harris and my grandmother
Geneva Hall Harris searched for him for years and what happened
to Theodore. For some reason they hadn't communicated for years
due to a family dispute of some kind. History is full of distortions,
rumors and unsolved mysteries.
Middleton became famous for leading union strikes in Globe
where up to six people died by the guards hired by the mining
companies. The death rate of the miners and their families due
to pollution and various diseases, yellow or scarlet fever is
shocking to our medically pampered society today.
I could listen to your stories all day long, very interesting, THANK YOU
Fantastic.. you fellas are tops
Not long ago the globe people honered the sheriff as a hero. My grandma would tell us story's of the KID coming to visit, we were small n I can't remember but she would always say she wanted to marry him. Grandpa would always get mad! It was funny..
Great story. I'm glad he got away and walked into oblivion.
Hiya guys, what a awesome story, and I do know that it's a true story.
I hope all is well with all you guys, and I hope yall stay healthy wealthy and I know yall are wise. And have a awesome blessed day. Cya! 😺🐟out!
The account of Toga de Chuz that Hank glossed over:
Account from the Book Apache Wars pp 392-3.
High in the Hills above San Carlos, Toga held a grand Tis-Win celebration, where later in the night would have words with Gon-zizzie, a warrior and brother to Rip. Rip had courted the Kids mother who was now married to Toga, and this feud had finally brewed over. Sieber got wind of this celebration sent Kid and few scouts little late to find Toga shot in his back, not far off was Gon-zizzie dead, whom friends had taken matters into their hands at that point.
Getting on track - upon departure, for some reason, Sieber appointed the grieving Kid to head the scouts and warned him to not take vengeance. Gonshayee, the local band chief, kept instigating matters to where Kid and four others rode to Rip’s stead and Kid shot him through the heart.
This is important as it then set off the chain of events with Sieber being shot, he called it betrayal from the Kid. Sieber Attempting several small campaigns against him, finally capturing, and to Kid’s imprisonment departure coup. Ultimately leaving scout life and going on his own. Notable, the campaigns against him lead by no other than his old friend and scout - Mickey Free.
I love Hank Sheffer. The grandfather I never had. Haha
Coooool.
Man! Iove this stuff..monte
Navajos were known as "head pounders" for their preferred method of dispatching enemies. Tzwin is corn/cactus beer rather than hard liquor. Apaches had a tolerance to alcohol more so than other north American indigenous tribes. Like your stories. Please keep them coming. Lvya. D
@Hank Sheffer Thanks for responding. Really appreciate all you do. I see an earlier response I missed. Watched "Apache Kid" twice and was able to enjoy more the 2nd time. Appreciate your knowledge and work. Your a treasure. Lvya. D
Hey Hank, I'm trying to make out your lapel pin. Is that the EG&A? If so Semper Fi!
He changed his name to falling rocks, that’s why there are warning signs around mt. Ares that say watch for falling rocks
Thank u from canada 🇨🇦
Great story Hank, nice necklace, what’s its story?
Real interesting. 🇨🇦👍🤘🐎
Hank, just out of curiosity, what would be your reaction if you had lost your family home and land to invaders? Would you end up being a criminal?
Hi Hank, great info. I was wondering Is your shirt your are wearing in this video a Moonshine brand shirt. I think I can spot the buttons on it. Thanks, Nathan
@Hank Sheffer I get a lot of my shirts at the boot barn. Thank you for the reply.
Good Story Hank, why didn't you Mention General Crook in the Story tho?
He did mention him
By way is Clay Worst still around (question from chat) i've seen the name but not sure when
I would like to see commentary on Cochise
Great story!
Great story. Hank lays it down with skill. Nice shirt. Weren't the Apaches in prison in Ohio and Illinois sent there from Arizona? Twists and turns galore! Thanks. Lvya all much. Shalom. D
@Hank Sheffer You wear the shirt well. It becomes you. Thanks for this and your earlier response. Lvya. D
I hate bothering you fine gentlemen, but after watching a few videos about a fellow by the name of Khayman Welch I'm curious as if you y'all have heard of him or could possibly make a video to get his name out, he been the longest unsolved missing person case near weaver needle and I'm so curious as to his whereabouts are
Every day we think of him
Ok I was half asleep when the gun shoots went off. Damn sir.
I heard the Apache Kid survived and died in Mexico a successful rancher in 1949. They say he scouted for Pancho Villa and made a large score of Carranza's gold. He bought land and lived large. And didn't need to steal women anymore.
No one ever claimed the reward for the Kid. Latest research suggests he died of tuberculosis in a camp in the Sierra Madre. Historians now believe that the Mexican captive Lupe, interviewed by Helge Ingstaad in Nacori Chico in 1937, was the Kid's daughter. Since her uncle was Apache Juan who was himself the son of Geronimo's warrior, Natculbaye, her mother must have been another child of his. Free Apache royalty
I saw the Apache Kid eating a burger in MC Donalds in Mexican Waters.
When does this go live?
Today at 5pm
@@mysteriesofthesuperstition6793 would be awesome if you guys could do a livestream Q&A with a panel... also is clay worst still telling stories. Miss seeing him on the channel
I know where he's buried, in the Black range, northeast of Silver City...
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Yuma Arizona Cause in imperial valley we have superstition mountains
Nice video
Do you have anything on the rancher who came upon the scene of Apache Kids escape and helped out the survivors?
My Apache friends said that he came back to San Carlos one last time in 1900 and returned to live in the Mexican mtns And for your information tizman isn't whiskey it's more like beer
Boring like cabbage soup until the pistol shots woke me up. Then there was some mysterie soup left.
He said that there ankles where hand cuffed. Lol
Interestingly told.
Nobody's knows the true facts.
I gots me a wooden stock "red rider" bb gun.... in one of the pics. i spotted "peaches" with the kid..
Hoping the apache kid would take the ex-wifes only:)
cool
Damn, then the museum with BTK in arizona will make a killing if they ever come up💸💸💸💸
I mean BTK's guns, i omitted guns above
I suppose he had a rough time..how could he not have ?
Why do people disappear in the superstitions, there are apache s still live up there,protecting the gold!
In those days the Apaches in Arizona were everyones enemy
Last name "Crook"
Sieber was actually shot in the ankle by one of his scouts not the Apache kid. Sieber lied once again to cover up his stupidity
My great grandfather from San Carlos Rez
Never got kills
General mills? Or miles? Anson miles, longtime indian fighter.
I heard growing up that the Apache kid may have been half Mexican and was born in a cave in Aravaipa
Did u ever hear of LEM SALLEE?
rare photos here .
But online for all to see
In later years, instead of blaming crimes on the "Apache Kid", it would make more sense to blame the "Apache Old Fart".
My lil bros name apache kid🎉
IM THE APACHE KIDS
Apache kid was smart. He didn't keep a woman for a long time.
The Legion has its origins in the neglected. The hand, is that of God, not of man.
Hey i like the Royal coat of arms of the King of Jerusalem if u know what i mean boss man
@Hank Sheffer yes sir i do like it tho...
@Hank Sheffer i enjoy your stories too