@@matismf That's true, once higher incomers leave, everyone else is left behind and the budget for maintenance begins to decrease creating a vicious downward cycle. To combat this they lower restrictions until the point where the structures are deemed dangerous and uninhabitable blight.
Building structures that look nice without access to quality education or enough quality jobs will eventually result in failure. And we know of one demographic in particular that has always been (as a collective) segregated from those two crucial standards for functional living in this country. Whenever this particular demographic accomplished setting up their own successful cities, towns & districts, we have witnessed their destruction using mob violence by the dominant demographic (see Tulsa OK, 1921 or Rosewood FL 1923, Wilmington NC 1898 etc). But it's always easier to use political & municipal levers to keep certain communities depressed. They'll eventually collapse in on themselves. If anyone disagrees with this, show me a place & time in the history of America where quality education & jobs were equally available to all demographics, but resulted in slum conditions 🤷🏿♂️
Interesting history. The Detroit projects were predictive of what was to happen later in St. Louis and Chicago with their housing projects. Good idea at first, but doomed to fail due to poor management and crime. Thanks for posting.
I worked in the low rise section in the 80’s when they were being demolished. They seemed nice though the rooms were a bit small. The courtyards were beautiful though to be fair the trees were at their maximum growth by then.
I live in Detroit and grew up here the Brewsters are still here just smaller it’s town houses now .. still low income .. I have great memories with friends who grew up over there .. ❤
@@autobug2 Tell that to Boston Edison. Or Palmer Woods. Or Sherwood Forest. These Detroit neighborhoods all have a median income near or above $100k. Indian Village, Rosedale Park and Grandmont are all on par with Detroit’s middle class suburbs, $60-80k.
I moved out of Detroit in 96. I missed multiple rises and falls, and it is completely unrecognizable to my memory now. It is quite surreal to see all these old structures gone. I went to wayne state and passed these buildings almost everyday.
I moved out in 94, came back in 96, regret it every single day of my life coming back her, sure nice new buildings but the surrounding areas are still absolute garbage. Born and raised in the 313, puke
I worked as a public health nurse in the area in the 70's and the decline and choas was in full swing. People felt trapped by crime and violence. Yet the parking lot was full of Cadillac with fancy tire rims
Channels like yours and The Fat Electrician have reignited my interest in all aspects of history. Thanks for doing what my pyooblic edumucation failed to do decade and a half ago
@thetvbaby83 or the grunts may just S.T.E.A.L. some air corpsman and Grandpa Buff and drop the sun on you, because it's never a war crime the first time
But it really helps the algorithm to victimize certain demographics. RUclips is a business first and foremost, and a part of a social engineering effort as well.
I wondering would you like to look into an apartment high rise in Philadelphia called West Park Apts (46th and Market Street). This complex has rich history, also what it was before is ver interesting,US presidential candidates campaigned there,amenities were unmatched in the nation. I promise you won’t regret it- hope you get this
So many govt projects look good on paper, but then one issue always arises: maintenance. The govt provides the money to build it, but rarely funds its maintenance.
The "projects" money was given to millionaire contractor to build them with little to no oversight. Structures were cheaply built and overcrowding was inevitable. They were designed to fail like many public works projects are.
Government didn't pay for my house, or the maintenance either. That means I HAD TO WORK to be able to afford it. That's what's missing from the equation.
The people actually paying the taxes for maintenance get chased out and then you want to complain about not having money for maintenance. Do we have to just be your parents forever? Clean up all your messes, support grown adults indefinitely? Please.
detroit in the 1950s was an *amazing* city!...i grew up in lansing from early 1970s-mid-90s, and both detroit and flint's downfall was quite shocking (lansing;s also, but i was too close to see it clearly until i moved away). very glad to hear news that detroit is on the rise again in the 21st century.
So you give people housing for free you don’t make them maintain it. You don’t make them work. You don’t make them do anything like a normal homeowner would do. And that’s surprises you that they don’t maintain it.
As always Professor Socash great information, I was born in Atlanta back in the 50's (I know its not Detroit) but as a young child around 5 years old I remember living in the Projects in Atlanta, they were brick remember they were 2 story apts also remember very poor run down area,ya even as a kid I knew what was poor, then in 1956 my family we made what I call our Grapes of Wrath move to Calif with a 500 lbs Grandma in the back seat of that 1946/47 Hudson, as always, be Safe and be at Peace...
With going to Spain School in Detroit, it was right across the street from the Brewsters. Everybody warned us kids that weren't from their don't go over there and as I found out good reason LOL that place was pretty tough
These projects were intended to keep racial segregation in place in their cities. The high-rises were huge mistakes, basically 'warehousing' people not realizing that people don't like being warehoused. The decline and decentralization industry in cities, need for fewer works due to automation, shifts, the rise of Japanese imports, were also factor that vacated other housing from these projects.
@@DavidYesUCan. David what are discussing? The Big 3 still is concentrated in Detroit. [Ford GM and Chrysler] have more manufacturing plants here then anywhere. I know this bcuz I happily live this.
As always a well researched story on the downfall of many Housing Projects. I grew up in Newark, and Newark has many high rise, and low rise projects that rivaled those in Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit and beyond. The Hayes Homes, Stella Wright Homes, Columbus Homes and Archbishop Walsh Homes are all stories that need to be documented.
Check out this project housing from when I was a kid. Foundation Park, Chesapeake VA . It has been demolished completely by now I am sure. I remember there was a bus that would ride through after school and during the summer. Like a ice cream truck , but you walked on and they had candy and other snacks as well as ice cream.
A more accurate measure is not what one is given, but what is being kept from them. Building structures that look nice without quality education or enough quality jobs will eventually result in failure. And we know of one demographic in particular that has always been (as a collective) segregated from those two crucial standards for functional living in this country. Whenever this particular demographic accomplished setting up their own successful cities, towns & districts, we have witnessed their destruction using mob violence by the dominant demographic (see Tulsa OK, 1921 or Rosewood FL 1923, Wilmington NC 1898 etc). But it's always easier to use political & municipal levers to keep certain communities depressed. They'll eventually collapse in on themselves. If anyone disagrees with this, show me a place & time in the history of America where quality education & jobs were equally available to all demographics, but resulted in slum conditions 🤷🏿♂️
Kiss my azz, Detroit's population moved to the subs leaving a city of 3 million to under 1 million because you could buy a house with a lawn and have a good car to get there as wages increased. Detroit gave many people the opportunity to go from coal miners and farm labor to middle working class, they abandoned the city for more space
@@BigKerm . . . always excuses as to that groups failures. Surely this can't be the case in all major cities, countries, continents, etc. If any group is systematically discriminated against these days it is the group that look like our founders. Why then has that group been so successful in sports? Does evolution only work from the neck down or is discrimination selective based on the area or activity?
Or they're being born and don't have access to quality education and healthcare, or they have a lack of opportunities due to their proximity to poverty.
There use to be a projects building near me. Some guy bought it and kick out all the folks who didn't have a job and was causing all the crime there. So after a month there was the older folks left who retired and the only way to get in their now is by having a job and a work history. The rent is the same as before, 200$ to 800$. But now its safer and cleaner.
I truly do not understand that mentality. No matter who owns something, I can't fathom destroying it except for normal wear or by accident. Perhaps it was my upbringing? Same thing with working. There is no job below me...anything that needs doing is worth doing it right. I did grow up in a poor household, but we were never destitute to the point of starvation or homelessness. In saying that, my mom went without so we could eat more or have small luxury.. Saving and spending wisely was ingrained in me, and damaging something for no reason was a shameful waste.
@@lorankutheresistable Some people are never happy and ruin everything, even by fire. It still happens today. The people not even YOU want to live near.
Why is the superior African American so dependent on his inferior Caucasian counterpart? Being from Detroit I’ve learned that African Americans don’t even run the liquor stores in their own neighborhoods. The Arabs from Dearborn have to take care of that. This video does not tell the truth as why the European moves out as the great African moves in.
The projects need to come back. The projects became politically incorrect because they were dumps, and hotbeds of crime, due to the mismanagement mentioned in this video (you have to be selective), as a result most have been shutdown and demolished. What the social do gooders did instead was decide to “de-centralize” the projects across the entire city via section 8, the result is blight and falling property values and crime spread out as opposed to being centralized in a contained area. Bringing back the projects would fix this.
The projects were an experiment and it went as planned. Piling a bunch of poor ppl on top of each other is not a good idea. Section 8/hud private houses is way better option even tho the ppl tear up nice properties.
@@showmestatefinest5412 initially it seems like the idea was building housing to meet the incoming demand due to industrialization and prioritizing family and requiring men (head of the house hold) to have a job seemed to be working. The issue came when they relaxed the rules and even later got rid of them basically making them a place to lock away the poor and pretend they don't exist.
That's not a good idea for the reason you just stated about the concentration of criminals. Understand living amongst the concentrated undesirables are good loving people, families children who day in and day out consist of living through daily horror. This can have a negative and or influential effect on children and people development and mobility.
BS: I am born and raised just outside of Detroit and I was in the army and ground pounded my ass around in an actual war zone. With that nugget of info... There is no way you are seeing me anywhere near this place unless it is a life or death reason and Im wearing body armor. and YES i have actually been to this housing block. and YES this soldier was shitting his pants we were driving past it.
I was a little boy and we would drive past herman gardens. Going to my grandma's house. I always asked dumb questions to my dad. I remember asking him, what will happen if we break down here. Would the people from herman gardens help us out. He looked at me and said. Sure no problem.
@@Captainscentsable44 HA!!! Yeah, they'd help you out alright!!! Give you 4 nice cinder blocks after they snag your wheels and spray paint "HONKY LIPS" on the side of your car.
@@sirrichardwhitney5452 You mean "Pure Detroit." I'm north of Detroit, and periodically we get immigrants who want to bring that to my city. I don't want that here and don't know anyone who does.
There also was a similar project just west of the Lodge Freeway, south of Forest Ave. These were much closer to the center of the 67 riots. Nobody does well in dense housing. This has been show in models with rats too.
@@kdot3657 I couldn't remember their name. There was also a project off of Southfield and Joy Rd. These were two story buildings. Someone did a piece about it. I remember driving by all three.
Comisky park where the Detroit Tigers played had lights later on in its existence. Iconic baseball stadium. I saw several World Series games there . Remember seeing The great home run hitter Kirk Gibson great power hitter, when he had healthy legs he could appsalutley fly around the base pads. Very fast and not in the Baseball Hall of Fame he be.
The rules weren’t relaxed, they were ultimately changed! Husbands no longer were allowed being one MAJOR change. On another note, I remember when they started tearing these down.
I wonder why there wasn't a plan to completely rehabilitate these towers into a modern form. Fully modernized, the Douglas Housing Project now would command top dollar for each single residence in 2024.
By the time they finished expanding the area, Detroit's city population was 1.8 million people. When they finished tearing it down in the 2010s, it was 775 thousand. They probably didn't have the demand for so many years to refurbish them.
Fed and government, but yeah lets blame capitalism lmao... Capitalism is the thing that creates wealth, which we have shifted to a corporate socialist system... Real reason for costs skyrocketing, gov and fed devalues currency via inflation (printing more money) meaning higher costs.
I don't know if I would call those skyscrapers iconic looking they just look like regular old brick buildings to me and I'm not crying me tears that they're gone no iconic measures have been lost here
Anacostia in Southeast Washington DC, which is where I grew up, and is where Frederick Douglass house is, my 6 grade graduation was in Frederick Douglas front yard lol
12:40 Diana Ross is not a record producer as mentioned, but Smokey Robinson is!! It is hard to accept conclusions made by the makers of this content when it is obvious they know so little about the city of Detroit.
Admittedly, that's not what she's known for, but she did produce all her own records (or most of the tracks on each album) while under contract to RCA (1981-87). Smart business move on her part.
@@jdl7211 Detroit was a banana Republic as far as manufacturing is concerned. The great depression killed off half their auto makers. Perhaps they should've diversified their markets. Buffalo took a crater when Bethlehem steel closed but they survived because there were still lots of other jobs.
The reasons why these buildings became dilapidated slums. It was because the government didn't take care of the maintenance and the people living in them. It wasn't a win win for no one.
I hope that your reports of Detroit include the story of the Fox Theater. The renovation of that building sparked the entire sports and entertainment district that exist today.
I went to Cody high school from 92-95 got kicked out and had to go to Murray wright. Had to fight them Brewster boys and freedom boys and Jeffries boys everyday. Surprised I graduated from there. lol fun times.
The government didn’t take care of the maintenance….and the people living in these tax payer projects???? Do the people bear any responsibility of taking care of their dwellings ??? Is the government and the taxpayer responsible for the crime….too?
Anyone who lives in apartments can tell you that there's only so much maintenance the tenant can do without the property management sending maintenance workers to fix it. I'm in townhome with 2 stories and a basement, so my furnace is separate from my neighbors' furnaces. But when my furnace went out, I wasn't allowed to hire my own repairmen, even if I'd been in a position to do so. The building maintenance and the permanent fixtures are management responsibilities. When the property management company hired a guy who worked on his own vehicle during working hours, while all but the most essential tenant repair tickets were ignored, all I could do was keep putting in tickets every month. I still have wall jacks waiting to be replaced, and I'm not allowed to do it myself or hire my own electricians. So what are you asking? We're not talking about peeling paint here.
@@kimfleuryWhat would happen if you took responsibility for your own living space? Would your lease be terminated because you improved the place? How often does the landlord even visit/inspect the premises?
Absolutely fascinating. Detroit has such an iconic aura about. I think of it as the world’s first modern city. And then there is the decline and like a phoenix, rising again. No other city like it.
The projects are built for and attract a certain group of people. That same group have a tendency to destroy everything around them. Therefore the projects were all doomed from day one. Though you’re not allowed to notice.
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Money to build a project and money to maintain a project are two separate things.
Facts.
@@beaurodriguez5640 But demographics are demographics.
@@matismf That's true, once higher incomers leave, everyone else is left behind and the budget for maintenance begins to decrease creating a vicious downward cycle. To combat this they lower restrictions until the point where the structures are deemed dangerous and uninhabitable blight.
The people you put in the project matters
Building structures that look nice without access to quality education or enough quality jobs will eventually result in failure. And we know of one demographic in particular that has always been (as a collective) segregated from those two crucial standards for functional living in this country.
Whenever this particular demographic accomplished setting up their own successful cities, towns & districts, we have witnessed their destruction using mob violence by the dominant demographic (see Tulsa OK, 1921 or Rosewood FL 1923, Wilmington NC 1898 etc). But it's always easier to use political & municipal levers to keep certain communities depressed. They'll eventually collapse in on themselves.
If anyone disagrees with this, show me a place & time in the history of America where quality education & jobs were equally available to all demographics, but resulted in slum conditions 🤷🏿♂️
Interesting history. The Detroit projects were predictive of what was to happen later in St. Louis and Chicago with their housing projects. Good idea at first, but doomed to fail due to poor management and crime. Thanks for posting.
Thank you for sharing
@@stephenmoerlein8470 New York was the first example for all housing projects....
Poverty really was the root cause. Crime is a side effect
@@candynickelthank you! Ppl are so easily side tracked
@@candynickel why do different demographics earning similar incomes commit crime at radically different rates?
I worked in the low rise section in the 80’s when they were being demolished. They seemed nice though the rooms were a bit small. The courtyards were beautiful though to be fair the trees were at their maximum growth by then.
Frederick Douglass was not alive in 1972. He died in 1895.
I caught that too.
i swear no one proofreads his scripts
@@juliac6256intentional
LOL
@@juliac6256 shouldn't have to proofread that one though, lol 😜
"Commerical Park"? This is the one that stopped me in my tracks....
@lorankutheresistable Douglass
He's clearly not from Detroit. lol
I instantly came to the comments section when I heard it
What do you expect from some guy halfway around the world spewing out US history for RUclips views.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL x💯
I live in Detroit and grew up here the Brewsters are still here just smaller it’s town houses now .. still low income .. I have great memories with friends who grew up over there .. ❤
The entire city of Detroit is low income!
@@autobug2 Tell that to Boston Edison. Or Palmer Woods. Or Sherwood Forest. These Detroit neighborhoods all have a median income near or above $100k. Indian Village, Rosedale Park and Grandmont are all on par with Detroit’s middle class suburbs, $60-80k.
Thank you for this. I’m huge on Detroit History, but I learn something new all of the time. This is great.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I remember visiting my grandma at the Brewsters on the 12th floor I can see Tigers Stadium with the lights on c
When the e game was played.
11:05 it’s actually “Comerica Park”
...and Ford Field, not Ford's.
I moved out of Detroit in 96. I missed multiple rises and falls, and it is completely unrecognizable to my memory now. It is quite surreal to see all these old structures gone. I went to wayne state and passed these buildings almost everyday.
I moved out in 94, came back in 96, regret it every single day of my life coming back her, sure nice new buildings but the surrounding areas are still absolute garbage. Born and raised in the 313, puke
I worked as a public health nurse in the area in the 70's and the decline and choas was in full swing. People felt trapped by crime and violence. Yet the parking lot was full of Cadillac with fancy tire rims
I went to WSU too
@@epasternak4206I'm praying that you can move away again to a much better place!
Channels like yours and The Fat Electrician have reignited my interest in all aspects of history. Thanks for doing what my pyooblic edumucation failed to do decade and a half ago
Quack bang out 😂
@@thetvbaby83 NOBODY touches Doc
@@fracturedrealitygaming1326 and don't F'n mess with our Boats!!! 😂
@thetvbaby83 or the grunts may just S.T.E.A.L. some air corpsman and Grandpa Buff and drop the sun on you, because it's never a war crime the first time
"It found itself in a downward spiral of destruction, decay, and rapid abandonment"
That explains the whole city, not just Brewster-Douglass......
But it really helps the algorithm to victimize certain demographics. RUclips is a business first and foremost, and a part of a social engineering effort as well.
@@7996hobguy RUclips is NOT part of a social engineering effort.
My cousin lives in the new Brewster's now and they're very decent and better place to live
11:06 it’s Comerica Park, as in Comerica Bank. Thank you for the breakdown ❤
I wondering would you like to look into an apartment high rise in Philadelphia called West Park Apts (46th and Market Street).
This complex has rich history, also what it was before is ver interesting,US presidential candidates campaigned there,amenities were unmatched in the nation.
I promise you won’t regret it- hope you get this
I never have seen the words 'rich history' and public housing used in the same sentence. One contradicts the other.
So many govt projects look good on paper, but then one issue always arises: maintenance. The govt provides the money to build it, but rarely funds its maintenance.
It's politically sexy to build a solution but no one gives a fig for maintenance.
The "projects" money was given to millionaire contractor to build them with little to no oversight. Structures were cheaply built and overcrowding was inevitable. They were designed to fail like many public works projects are.
Government didn't pay for my house, or the maintenance either. That means I HAD TO WORK to be able to afford it. That's what's missing from the equation.
Yeah and also the people living there destroy it.
The people actually paying the taxes for maintenance get chased out and then you want to complain about not having money for maintenance. Do we have to just be your parents forever? Clean up all your messes, support grown adults indefinitely? Please.
I visited this place before the buildings were torn down. Energy like no other. I miss it.
detroit in the 1950s was an *amazing* city!...i grew up in lansing from early 1970s-mid-90s, and both detroit and flint's downfall was quite shocking (lansing;s also, but i was too close to see it clearly until i moved away). very glad to hear news that detroit is on the rise again in the 21st century.
.............IT IS?!
It ain't.
@@northdetroit7994 bullshit.
@@douglasharley2440 Been there lately? Which area?
@@northdetroit7994 i haven't, but my parents and sister have. no idea which parts. i have also read articles in the nytimes, and seen shorts on here.
Growing up in Detroit in the 60,s Brewster-Douglass was high rise hoods! @11:07 it is Co-merica park.
And want reparations but ruin every gov housing anywhere they can find them.
So you give people housing for free you don’t make them maintain it. You don’t make them work. You don’t make them do anything like a normal homeowner would do. And that’s surprises you that they don’t maintain it.
You’re right. Those 10th floor residents have really let their lawns go.
i believe you made a mistake in your video @5:12 about Fredrick Douglas. you say he was a vice presidential candidate in 1972. don't you mean 1872?
Frederick Douglass
I caught that as well.
As always Professor Socash great information, I was born in Atlanta back in the 50's (I know its not Detroit) but as a young child around 5 years old I remember living in the Projects in Atlanta, they were brick remember they were 2 story apts also remember very poor run down area,ya even as a kid I knew what was poor, then in 1956 my family we made what I call our Grapes of Wrath move to Calif with a 500 lbs Grandma in the back seat of that 1946/47 Hudson, as always, be Safe and be at Peace...
Thanks fpr the video. As a visitor to Detroit, i was puzzled by this void in the city-scape and this goes a long way to explain it.
Thank you for making such a fascinating channel, full of stories about places and things I've never heard about.
With going to Spain School in Detroit, it was right across the street from the Brewsters. Everybody warned us kids that weren't from their don't go over there and as I found out good reason LOL that place was pretty tough
These projects were intended to keep racial segregation in place in their cities. The high-rises were huge mistakes, basically 'warehousing' people not realizing that people don't like being warehoused. The decline and decentralization industry in cities, need for fewer works due to automation, shifts, the rise of Japanese imports, were also factor that vacated other housing from these projects.
Unions demanding very high wages made the big 3 go other cheaper places to have their automobiles made.
@@DavidYesUCan Oh believe me, the Big Three car industries can most definitely afford it with their company profits!
Other countries pack em in with more density then this but they aren't over riddled with drugs and crime. Weird 🤔
@@DavidYesUCan. David what are discussing? The Big 3 still is concentrated in Detroit. [Ford GM and Chrysler] have more manufacturing plants here then anywhere. I know this bcuz I happily live this.
I always remember that reddish color of herman gardens on joy rd
I remember launching mortar fireworks from the roof down to the passing cars on the freeway one night with a pile of friends up there lol.
As always a well researched story on the downfall of many Housing Projects. I grew up in Newark, and Newark has many high rise, and low rise projects that rivaled those in Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit and beyond. The Hayes Homes, Stella Wright Homes, Columbus Homes and Archbishop Walsh Homes are all stories that need to be documented.
Then happened the introduction of crack cocaine.
"The Carter" apartments in every city😢
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They were also painted with lead paint
Back then, lead paint was the norm. We didn't know better back then.
I imagine they had asbestos there too.
@@eriq54321
Check out this project housing from when I was a kid. Foundation Park, Chesapeake VA . It has been demolished completely by now I am sure. I remember there was a bus that would ride through after school and during the summer. Like a ice cream truck , but you walked on and they had candy and other snacks as well as ice cream.
You give one group of men a pile of bricks and you get a city. You give another group of men a city and you get a pile bricks. Detroit.
A more accurate measure is not what one is given, but what is being kept from them. Building structures that look nice without quality education or enough quality jobs will eventually result in failure. And we know of one demographic in particular that has always been (as a collective) segregated from those two crucial standards for functional living in this country.
Whenever this particular demographic accomplished setting up their own successful cities, towns & districts, we have witnessed their destruction using mob violence by the dominant demographic (see Tulsa OK, 1921 or Rosewood FL 1923, Wilmington NC 1898 etc). But it's always easier to use political & municipal levers to keep certain communities depressed. They'll eventually collapse in on themselves.
If anyone disagrees with this, show me a place & time in the history of America where quality education & jobs were equally available to all demographics, but resulted in slum conditions 🤷🏿♂️
Kiss my azz, Detroit's population moved to the subs leaving a city of 3 million to under 1 million because you could buy a house with a lawn and have a good car to get there as wages increased. Detroit gave many people the opportunity to go from coal miners and farm labor to middle working class, they abandoned the city for more space
Crickets
@@BigKerm . . . always excuses as to that groups failures. Surely this can't be the case in all major cities, countries, continents, etc. If any group is systematically discriminated against these days it is the group that look like our founders.
Why then has that group been so successful in sports? Does evolution only work from the neck down or is discrimination selective based on the area or activity?
I've played in those so much. It's like a ghost town. There's these towers and there's a little abandoned city right next to it as well
An American calling them "lifts" instead of "elevators"... my mind is blown.
We call them “ponds”. You call them “dams”.
The dam holds back the pond.
@@richardcranium3579 who's "we"? What country?
Talent like them will never be born again.
Or they're being born and don't have access to quality education and healthcare, or they have a lack of opportunities due to their proximity to poverty.
There use to be a projects building near me. Some guy bought it and kick out all the folks who didn't have a job and was causing all the crime there. So after a month there was the older folks left who retired and the only way to get in their now is by having a job and a work history. The rent is the same as before, 200$ to 800$. But now its safer and cleaner.
@@thevaultbrotherhood6297 That's one thing good in this world.
So he made a bunch of poor, unemployed people homeless! How is that a good thing?
Things probably would have remained okay for the original residents if they hadn't added the high rises.
I waited for this for a long time
It got people out of the slums but people dont appreciate anything free or take care of it.
I truly do not understand that mentality. No matter who owns something, I can't fathom destroying it except for normal wear or by accident. Perhaps it was my upbringing?
Same thing with working. There is no job below me...anything that needs doing is worth doing it right.
I did grow up in a poor household, but we were never destitute to the point of starvation or homelessness. In saying that, my mom went without so we could eat more or have small luxury.. Saving and spending wisely was ingrained in me, and damaging something for no reason was a shameful waste.
@@applegal3058"Mentality" as if this video actually got into that.
@@Slappysan no, I'm commenting on the original poster's comment...how some people don't care for things when they come free...
@@lorankutheresistable Some people are never happy and ruin everything, even by fire. It still happens today. The people not even YOU want to live near.
Simple, this was a government housing property, those living there had no investment in it, and thus did not care.
Why is the superior African American so dependent on his inferior Caucasian counterpart? Being from Detroit I’ve learned that African Americans don’t even run the liquor stores in their own neighborhoods. The Arabs from Dearborn have to take care of that. This video does not tell the truth as why the European moves out as the great African moves in.
The projects need to come back. The projects became politically incorrect because they were dumps, and hotbeds of crime, due to the mismanagement mentioned in this video (you have to be selective), as a result most have been shutdown and demolished. What the social do gooders did instead was decide to “de-centralize” the projects across the entire city via section 8, the result is blight and falling property values and crime spread out as opposed to being centralized in a contained area. Bringing back the projects would fix this.
The projects were an experiment and it went as planned. Piling a bunch of poor ppl on top of each other is not a good idea. Section 8/hud private houses is way better option even tho the ppl tear up nice properties.
@@showmestatefinest5412 initially it seems like the idea was building housing to meet the incoming demand due to industrialization and prioritizing family and requiring men (head of the house hold) to have a job seemed to be working. The issue came when they relaxed the rules and even later got rid of them basically making them a place to lock away the poor and pretend they don't exist.
That's not a good idea for the reason you just stated about the concentration of criminals. Understand living amongst the concentrated undesirables are good loving people, families children who day in and day out consist of living through daily horror. This can have a negative and or influential effect on children and people development and mobility.
@@stevedyer7566Section 8 spreads that horror to far more people.
BS: I am born and raised just outside of Detroit and I was in the army and ground pounded my ass around in an actual war zone. With that nugget of info...
There is no way you are seeing me anywhere near this place unless it is a life or death reason and Im wearing body armor. and YES i have actually been to this housing block. and YES this soldier was shitting his pants we were driving past it.
I was a little boy and we would drive past herman gardens. Going to my grandma's house. I always asked dumb questions to my dad. I remember asking him, what will happen if we break down here. Would the people from herman gardens help us out. He looked at me and said. Sure no problem.
@@Captainscentsable44 HA!!! Yeah, they'd help you out alright!!! Give you 4 nice cinder blocks after they snag your wheels and spray paint "HONKY LIPS" on the side of your car.
My grandmothers home her whole life she didn't move until they tore the high rises down
I did some HVAC work there in the early 2000s ,, abandon houses, burt out houses, bullet proof glass at every establishment. Pure Michigan.
@@sirrichardwhitney5452 You mean "Pure Detroit." I'm north of Detroit, and periodically we get immigrants who want to bring that to my city. I don't want that here and don't know anyone who does.
There also was a similar project just west of the Lodge Freeway, south of Forest Ave. These were much closer to the center of the 67 riots. Nobody does well in dense housing. This has been show in models with rats too.
The lesser talked about Jeffries projects.
@@kdot3657 I couldn't remember their name. There was also a project off of Southfield and Joy Rd. These were two story buildings. Someone did a piece about it. I remember driving by all three.
@@ThisWorks4Me the Herman Gardens
Comisky park where the Detroit Tigers played had lights later on in its existence. Iconic baseball stadium. I saw several World Series games there . Remember seeing The great home run hitter Kirk Gibson great power hitter, when he had healthy legs he could appsalutley fly around the base pads. Very fast and not in the Baseball Hall of Fame he be.
It's amazing proximity to a stadium and arena was viewed as a negative
Love this! Need more Detroit history videos🙌
The rules weren’t relaxed, they were ultimately changed! Husbands no longer were allowed being one MAJOR change.
On another note, I remember when they started tearing these down.
Can you do a video on the Church Hill Tunnel in Richmond VA?
I would love to see your take on Coop City in the Bronx… tons of interesting history, as a former tenant it would be cool to see your take on things.
I wonder why there wasn't a plan to completely rehabilitate these towers into a modern form. Fully modernized, the Douglas Housing Project now would command top dollar for each single residence in 2024.
It probably cost too much especially if they had to remove lead paint
Detroit is over hyped and over valued. Until there is a cultural mindset change Detroits growth doesn't look good
By the time they finished expanding the area, Detroit's city population was 1.8 million people. When they finished tearing it down in the 2010s, it was 775 thousand.
They probably didn't have the demand for so many years to refurbish them.
@@throttleblip1you are entitled to your opinion because you don't know what it is
@@throttleblip1ok, I will bite. What are you basing your opinion on?
It's not Comercial Park it's Comerica Park.
What has happened to the cost of housing since 1980s ?!
The inevitable, desired, and actively sought spiral of capitalism
Fed and government, but yeah lets blame capitalism lmao... Capitalism is the thing that creates wealth, which we have shifted to a corporate socialist system... Real reason for costs skyrocketing, gov and fed devalues currency via inflation (printing more money) meaning higher costs.
False appraisals and overvaluation of real estate.
This project was planned, build, and managed by the government, but somehow you blame capitalism?!?!
Please use Michael Hudson and Rentier Capitalism as Search Keywords
They are making more future projects today. Forced subsidized housing apartments. But worse yet they aren’t even making them cheaply
Been thru there many times,theres still buildings there. Cabrini greene was scariest projects ive been in
So again. They were given nice homes. Then didn’t take care of and they turned to dirty gross homes. A town is the sum of its people.
My mom grew up in the Brewsters in the late 60s n 70s n my uncles was pimps n dealers she said it was hell on earth
It's a damn shame whats happened to Detroit . From a population of just under 2 million which peaked in the 50's down to around 600,000 today .
Yes it was. It was many mistakes made. Detroit is being revitalized and it feels gooood!
As a Detroiter, thank you for this video!❤
I don't know if I would call those skyscrapers iconic looking they just look like regular old brick buildings to me and I'm not crying me tears that they're gone no iconic measures have been lost here
They would have been striking and modern looking in the 1930s I suppose, 90 years ago.
When these were built buildings over 10 stories tall were considered skyscrapers, today it’s over 40 😊
Detroit barely has any sky scrapers since there is little invest from it's actual citizens...
Anacostia in Southeast Washington DC, which is where I grew up, and is where Frederick Douglass house is, my 6 grade graduation was in Frederick Douglas front yard lol
12:40 Diana Ross is not a record producer as mentioned, but Smokey Robinson is!! It is hard to accept conclusions made by the makers of this content when it is obvious they know so little about the city of Detroit.
STEVIE WONDER TOO
Admittedly, that's not what she's known for, but she did produce all her own records (or most of the tracks on each album) while under contract to RCA (1981-87). Smart business move on her part.
The last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962. Its been led by Democrats since then. 2+2 always equals 4.😊😊
@@jdl7211 Detroit was a banana Republic as far as manufacturing is concerned. The great depression killed off half their auto makers. Perhaps they should've diversified their markets. Buffalo took a crater when Bethlehem steel closed but they survived because there were still lots of other jobs.
@@jdl7211 ironic because Detroit has seen a pretty significant increase in economic activity under Mike Duggan-- a Democrat.
The reasons why these buildings became dilapidated slums. It was because the government didn't take care of the maintenance and the people living in them. It wasn't a win win for no one.
Also, the animals living there destroyed it.
Yeah that's a good point. The reason pigs don't fly is because the government didn't take care of the maintenance of the nests.
Pls do a video on forgotten history of Lansing Michigan
Don't nobody care about Lansing.. 😂😂
1998: I broke down at Jolly and Waverly and came back 20 mins later and my Ford Escort was up on blocks.
Dang didnt know they were built before the projects in Chicago
Both huge wastes of time and money since they became run down by the tenants.
@throttleblip1 rather live there than EP Island
@giovannicarter3076 abla homes in the chi was built in 1937
"The Pj's" modeled the set after these project structures
That was my show!
@@inthemixwithleahbpodcast one of the top shows ever developed.. Well written, well casted... Just fantastic
NYCHA in NYC is also notorious and SAD.
Unions, the Death of Prosperity.
The fact of the matter is , any large city run by democrats suffered the same plights and problems to this very day. Gee wonder why
Cabrini green was americas most notorious housing projects
I hope that your reports of Detroit include the story of the Fox Theater. The renovation of that building sparked the entire sports and entertainment district that exist today.
@@BPoissant Why don't you just make a video?
I went to Cody high school from 92-95 got kicked out and had to go to Murray wright. Had to fight them Brewster boys and freedom boys and Jeffries boys everyday. Surprised I graduated from there. lol fun times.
My mother lived there
and now we're in an era were we need housing again the likes of that again
I can see why Axel Foley joined the Detroit police department in 1983🚔
Forbidding, not forbidden!
Now they're putting in all these new condos to LCA Comerica and Ford Field so the noise pollution doesn't make any sense
We remodeled the 14 story next to the freeway when Ford Field was being built
This is really sad it's sad about Detroit and general what it was and what it became
Let me guess, the automotive plants closed.
Nope
Thanks!
Welcome!🙏
Government housing is never a good idea, no matter how well-intentioned.
Everything built should be assigned a service life schedule for modification and replacement. Housing should be integrated with economic resources.
The government didn’t take care of the maintenance….and the people living in these tax payer projects???? Do the people bear any responsibility of taking care of their dwellings ??? Is the government and the taxpayer responsible for the crime….too?
Anyone who lives in apartments can tell you that there's only so much maintenance the tenant can do without the property management sending maintenance workers to fix it. I'm in townhome with 2 stories and a basement, so my furnace is separate from my neighbors' furnaces. But when my furnace went out, I wasn't allowed to hire my own repairmen, even if I'd been in a position to do so. The building maintenance and the permanent fixtures are management responsibilities. When the property management company hired a guy who worked on his own vehicle during working hours, while all but the most essential tenant repair tickets were ignored, all I could do was keep putting in tickets every month. I still have wall jacks waiting to be replaced, and I'm not allowed to do it myself or hire my own electricians. So what are you asking? We're not talking about peeling paint here.
@@kimfleuryWhat would happen if you took responsibility for your own living space? Would your lease be terminated because you improved the place? How often does the landlord even visit/inspect the premises?
It’s Comerica Park, come on do a little more research.
Labarge thank You Great Video
"Another Martini for Mother Cabrini." Lenny Bruce, memorialising the charitable nun.
I think there was a gym with boxing rings real close to those housing projects. Joe Louis visited in the early years of it.
Yes, Wheeler Rec. Center, was at the heart of the Brewster projects community. It produced many talented people.
Fun fact: Detroit population is very very similar to Boston
Now ! But In the 50s 60s70s80s90s2000s Detroit was bigger..
Fun fact: Detroit population is much friendlier than Boston
VP candidate in 1972?
😂 1872 clearly
Absolutely fascinating. Detroit has such an iconic aura about. I think of it as the world’s first modern city. And then there is the decline and like a phoenix, rising again. No other city like it.
Well done Pruitt Igoe was the same way 1950's-1972
I might have thought those were the Jeffries Projects.
Riff-Raff ruins everything. I think Frederick Douglass said that.
5:53 they kook really nice.
It's not housing discrimination when you can't afford rent in a particular neighborhood. But you're the narrator, so you can spin it that way.
The projects are built for and attract a certain group of people. That same group have a tendency to destroy everything around them. Therefore the projects were all doomed from day one. Though you’re not allowed to notice.
That's not true. You suffer from outside looking in.