Honestly I think the husband did it. The fact that he always found a way to sneak inside the house. Also was near the children bedroom is very telling. I think he had help with it too.
My thought!! I know sometimes custody battles cause people to think/do crazy things, but he was in and out of that home more than she even knew of. I’m trying to wait for the full video before my opinion but I feel it is him
She was judged for her life style not evidence. That detective should have been fired. No one even thought about the children. The father seemed more guilty.
Her : *literally passes out at the sight of seeing her daughters dead body* detective: “so dramatic” her: *doesn’t cry on the way home* detective: “not dramatic enough”
Girl, do NOT apologize for a wonky schedule. You were hospitalized at one point- take all the recovery time and adjustment time you need we will ALWAYS be here ❤️❤️❤️
This whole story makes me so mad. -passes out- "She's faking it for the press!" -is in shock- "She's not crying, she must be guilty!" -starts crying- "She's faking for the cameras! Don't believe her crocodile tears!" -is in shock and does her makeup on auto pilot- "She's not upset enough! She shouldn't be able to function!" WTAF DO YOU WANT FROM THIS WOMAN?
I was thinking the same thing. In tragedies some people cling to their routine to feel like their world isn't spirally out of control. Like what are their standards on someone else's grieving process?
This is reminding me of the JonBenet Ramsey case were the police just focused on her parents. They over.looked evidence that clearly showed that someone outside the family killed JonBenet. There was no evidence that Alice had anything to do with her children's death. Sad story for sure.
When my dtr lost her infant she didn't cry for two days...at the hospital she just kept smiling and saying "thats not my baby..my baby is fine"...she was in shock and later that evening before it sank in she reverted to a child herself ( calling me mommy and wanting me to hold her in the bed which she hadn't done in 22yrs) her baby died of natural causes ..I can't imagine what it would have been like if it been a result of foul play
It seems plausible that the father killed the kids. He didn't want them, he wanted to control her. He was stalking her & coming in and out of the house at will. He also would be able to easily transport the kids for obvious reasons. This case really seems to be a huge injustice. It's heartbreaking.
Just to add to what you're saying. Whether in the past or in the present of children missing. Very rarely is it a stranger. Shows these days fixate that when kidnapping of more than one kid, it's a familiar face. Because kidnapping more than one child at the same time, flailing, kicking, biting.. even babysitters experience a tantrum kid. Not easy. Dad was noticed peering into the kids window. (Inappropriate) Exposing himself to kids (Inappropriate).. he had a vendetta on his wife/ex. He pulled the "if I can't have them, you can't either."
What do you mean injustice? Real victims here are kids, if she wasn't guilty she still failed to protect them. Both parents are disgusting human beings.
I lost a child April 7, 2022…….. it tore a hole in the fabric of our family…. Afterwards leading to 2 other deaths….that one day in April destroyed everything I thought was beautiful in this world…… you don’t know how you will react….. I was told I screamed for hours on and off after I fell to my knees…. But I think I blocked a lot of that day out ….. I don’t remember much just the screaming on the other end of the phone telling me she was dead. ….. so if you HAVENT lost a child please don’t comment about how you think people will react!!! No one should feel that pain…… it’s a pain that stays with you 24 hours a day 7 days a week and even when I’m sleeping it’s about her…….
Oh, I am so very very sorry. That is the worst thing in the world that could happen to a parent. My heart went out to you as soon as you wrote that you lost a child. I pray to Jesus that He will be close to you, and give you some sort of comfort to get through this horrendous thing. I am so sorry.
Nah they both did. I bet he helped her cover it up. As a mother I /would/could never say "rather see them dead than with their dad" absolutely not. They both are at fault
Who knows. She hung out with shady characters and left her kids without a care to go sailing with a new boyfriend, no one knows what kind of shady characters hung about or might've wanted to hurt her.
Not much has changed… I just recently saw the bundle from my court case… a police man who visited me to take a statement about the harassment I was receiving from my ex had put that he suspected I was making it all up to lay the groundwork so I could get full custody in court. He had absolutely no reason to think this, and 6 months later my ex was actually found guilty. It is shocking how women can be judged some days
Something like that almost happened to me. Except that I was pregnant and my ex choked me. Then took his side. When I had scratches all over my neck and was seen by the EMTs. He took his side and I couldn't get a protective order.
Oh girl, I am so sorry. You're right that not much has changed. I'm in a different but not dissimilar situation right now. When I went to the police, I could feel all the judgment. I didn't file an official report because I didn't want to be accused of accusing the father of my child for custody reasons. Now, I am about to defend myself in court for "contempt of court" because the narcissist is accusing me of not following the court order. He's listed all the things he's done and accused me of them by taking statements out of context. We need strength! Sometimes justice isn't served. I hope it will be, for you, me, and everyone. The courts have a lot to learn and I'm trying to embrace this as my chance to teach them- otherwise it is so depressing and sickening. I'm so glad your ex was found guilty. Amen.
I’m like 95% sure Edmond had something to do with it. Because as a dad wouldn’t you be freaking out trying to figure out what happened to your kids? He seemed like he didn’t even care
The detective having it out for her immediately is enough reason for me to believe she's innocent. He was just on a judgement spree, the evidence does not point to her.
When it comes to children, why wouldn't you be skeptical of everyone? Especially the parent that was last seen with the kids? And locking them in their bedrooms at night? Assuming they won't need to use the bathroom. It really is also suspicious she hadn't much of a reaction to seeing her kids dead, but she cried for her innocence in court.
Totally agree. Edmund wanted to be free, and run the streets,but heaven forbid his WIFE try it. He did not want her,left her,no money,no nothing,yet was obsessed
Literally! I’m only a few minutes in and that’s my main thought like bro why didn’t you put as much effort into your marriage as you are being a creepy little pervy stalker
Not crying is a reaction due to traumatic stress. Shutting down or dissociation is common response when you feel overwhelmed. It amazes me how many people especially police officers who don’t understand traumatic stress symptoms.
Tell that to the Fb & Tiktok police. They claim anyone who doesn't cry is lying or in on it. It makes sense these real detectives did the same :( People are quick to point fingers without really looking at the facts.
When my cousin died and I was told the news I laughed at first. The shock of it, I guess I didn’t register that it was real. I sobbed for days after but my initial reaction was laughter. I’m sure if it had been suspicious they definitely would have thought it was me by their logic
My kids were missing, thank goodness they were reunited with me fairly quickly, but I went into an almost robotic state. I didn't cry. I kept stating where they were missing from, what they were wearing, the fact that they would never willingly wander off, and what their names were. This was at Six Flags in California and I was so robotic that the head of security started to think they weren't really missing. A little boy ran up to me because he'd recognized the robotic description I'd been repeating like a script. He said he knew where they were, took me to them, and I still didn't cry. We were about 30 feet apart and I couldn't even walk or run to them, my legs stopped working. I called them and they ran to me and THEN I broke down into tears. Everyone handles situations differently. 😔 *edited for misspelling.
@gracelynwoods No, they were behind these bushes and I couldn't see them from where I was. The little boy saw them because they had been asking about me, too. It was crazy, like in those movies where people are RIGHT NEXT TO each other, and they don't know it?
My son died in a motor vehicle accident a few years ago and we had to go identify his body aswell. I did not cry .... the shock was just to much, tears came later. So I think that focusing on the fact that she did not cry is rediculous. She was judged and found guilty even before she saw the inside of the Court. I feel the husband should have been investigated more. His actions are just suspicious.
I genuinely think if something happened to my children I would absolutely freeze - it’s my go to trauma response, my mind goes in a million different directions at once and it cause me to shut down as I can’t process it all at once and the outpouring of emotion comes later. It’s a perfectly normal and valid human response - traumatic events take time to process whether your reaction is to instantly burst into tears, anger or complete silence at the overwhelming emotions. I genuinely don’t think we should judge others based on initial reactions just because the appearance is not what we expect - or jump to conclusions off of it. The detectives in this case are disgraceful. Even if she was guilty they didn’t prove anything but peoples bias towards women living their life how they want. She very well could’ve been guilty but not based on the evidence provided and the lack of effort to find justice for these kids whether it was her or someone else is disgusting.
When I lost my son, I was in shock for several hours and did not cry. It took a minute for my brain to process the reality of the situation. I don't judge her for her reactions. 💜
Whenever someone in my life died I went into a state of just... calm. There was always an element of denial to it. At the funeral was always when I broke down, when the reality hit me. Not a moment earlier.
Faith, im sorry for your loss too... as a grieving momma myself, I didn't cry for the first few hours, either... it was shock... I cry every day, but those first few hours were spent in complete shock. I send light & love your way.
I'm so sorry for your loss, there just aren't words to console someone who has been through what you have. No one should ever have to outlive their children. 💔
Anyone with kids knows how the food thing makes complete sense: Mom buys veal and beans for a nice supper. Kid refuses to eat it, Mom gives them Mac and cheese instead
Right? I try to feed my 2.5 year old nice meals all the time and some days eats it just fine and some days she thinks that goldfish and a fruit pouch is a meal. Sometimes she acts like Mac and Cheese is something I have never fed her and how dare I expect her to eat that!
Not only that, but also back then it was frowned upon to not make a home cooked meal every night for dinner. So she may have felt she would’ve been shamed for feeding her kids boxed Mac and cheese.
I’m sorry, Edmund ADMITTED to being at the crime scene at 2-something in the morning because he “wanted to see if Alice was home” and called her at 3 am. I can’t deal >.
@@shhhhyoudontknowme Right! My first thought was he called to make sure she hadn’t heard or noticed the kids missing yet, which then gave him time to dispose of the bodies before morning
@shhhhyoudontknowme lol I was going to say, I understand 90% of your comment but I’m not sure what “go to a bar bro g loud” meant. I assume you meant “go to a bar beforehand”? I’m not far into the video though so I have no context.
How is that epic? Whether she killed her kids or not she was STILL an extremely abusive parent. She LOCKED her kids inside of their room and made the excuse that Eddy would sneak into the fridge, and she also left them with a baby sitter to go on a cruise or whatever with her boyfriend. Why are y'all acting like she's an amazing person 💀
Honestly I believe the detective hated her so much because she was the kinda of woman he wanted and couldn’t have and would never admit that! Insecure asf
That's exactly textbook narcissistic behavior. Narcissistic men hate women that don't fall for their charm. I don't remember which specialist talked about it because i binge watched so many 😂. I think it was Dr. Ramani (a specialist on narcissistic and antagonistic personality types)
So I'm not the only one thinking it! I know how men are.... especially super religious men. He was attracted to her, so that's why he targeted her and was so obsessed.
When my husband unalived himself in front of me I couldn't cry either. I was so shocked no tears would come out. I just sat there asking why they weren't helping and when they told me he was gone I was just mute. It's not an uncommon response to trauma
How many parents are hysterical when their children pass or go missing , only to find out that they are the guilty party ? Shanda Van Ark comes to mind? Chris Watts..Very unreliable clue.
Honestly I think the husband did it. The fact that he always found a way to sneak inside the house. Also was near the children bedroom window is very telling.
@@Annabellethedoll666 and it's super weird that she woke up to a loud noise and he calls her right after? To talk about custody ?? 🤔 it almost feels like he wanted her distracted so she wouldn't investigate the noise? Idk But it seems very sus
@@Solènelamigonnelicorne Charlotte Dobre? And you sound a bit weird honestly. Why would these women love you, just another viewer like everyone else? Et honnêtement, tu as l'air un peu bizarre. Pourquoi ces femmes vous aimeraient-elles, juste un autre spectateur comme tout le monde ?
She use to upload Saturdays just doing make up looks sometimes I go back and watch them like when she was like we're moving so my neighbor stole all the light bulbs in my house
Honestly I think the husband did it too. The fact that he always found a way to sneak inside the house. Also was near the children bedroom before their disappearance is very telling. I think he also had help possibly.
He didn’t even need anyone else. The couple seen could have been the family that later came forward. Also…if he was spying so much, what evidence did he collect that night? I can’t say without a doubt she didn’t do it or that he did, but there is definitely reasonable doubt she did it and reasonable suspicion that he did
Ridiculous. Poor lady. Her first mug shot she just looks tired. Like just tired of the bull and tired of the accusations and just emotionally tired from losing her children. It really shines a light on the dark age of forensics. Lot of people were convicted on little to no evidence.
I’m near the beginning of the case but had to comment. No man would ever say they , “went to a park and exposed themselves to young girls ,” unless they were doing just that …… like you said Bailey , nobody would ever even think of something so disgusting!!!
@@BaileySarianmiss Bailey, can you please do a video on the Ghost Train “accident” at Luna Park in Sydney? I recently watched a documentary and it’s a wild case. As an Australian I’d never heard about it and think it deserves more attention because it’s a doozy and involves alleged corruption in the police and government. All the love from a long time fan 😊❤️
I’ve gone into shock a couple times and it’s like your brain doesn’t understand what is happening. When the police knocked on my door to tell me my soon to be ex husband 32:55 passed away, the only thing I could do is laundry. I didn’t know what to do. It didn’t hit me until many hours later and I was a hot mess.
This! I always thought of shock as an innate self-defense mechanism. The first sudden death of a loved one I experienced was at 18 years old. Lost one of my best friends to gun violence. I had a mix of shock and denial and went to the hospital to wait for him to get out of surgery… There was no surgery. My brain just made it up, despite others telling me on site that he had already passed. It took over an hour for it to actually settle with me. Actually, hearing his mom tell me to go home was what sort of snapped me into reality. I’m so sorry for your loss. It’s an awful thing. ❤️
I agree. My nan was my best friend and when my dad told me she’d died I simply thanked him and excused myself to do my German homework. I went to school the next day acting like nothing happened. I didn’t cry until we went to her house the following day. As soon as she wasn’t in her usual spot at the door waiting on us I was a complete mess.
Same thing happened to me when I was told that my 53-year-old husband had passed away at the hospital. I just stared at the hospital. It is going on 9 years and I still have a hard time believing it.
My dad just passed , right infront of me. I had a moment but , left straight away i might have a moment but i still dont think its true. I still go to call him ,hes been gone 2 months. Everyone grieves differently.
I remember watching this on A Crime to Remember and it was just so sad to see the reenactments of the events. I truly believe she is innocent, she just grieved in her own way of trying to numb the pain.
If he would have spent as much time being home with her and giving her attention as he did stalking her and being a creepo maybe their marriage would have been okay
I can't help but feel she got a really raw deal... They traumatized her again and again. Also, I actually love the makeup look Bay Leaf. Happy first day of spring everyone ✨️🌿🪻🐝
You feel more yourself now after watching you for the last 4-5 years.. you felt amiss for a while and Bailey I am so glad to hear you come back into yourself. You will never be too much, you are an icon! An inspiration to funny women everywhere. Be you and don’t let anyone take that from you. You’re a beautiful soul.
I'm 56 years old ,my daughter who's 25 introduced me to you a week ago. And I can't stop listening to your stories...After work while I'm resting or cleaning my house girl. I love ur stories and love while ur doing ur makeup... Thank you for keeping me intertain 🥰
Every Monday I type in "Bailey Sarian" to RUclips and PRAY there's a new MMM. I'm SO happy there's a new one! I know they must take it out of you emotionally to make, but it's cathartic AF to watch you tell these stories while doing your makeup so masterfully. Love you, Bailey, and your RAD channel!
Honestly, if something happened to my kids I think I would shut down - it’s my go to response for trauma and takes my brain a while to catch up - I totally understand someone’s lack of initial reaction as your brain goes in a million different directions at once and then the outpouring of emotion once the truth sets in. Of course people react in different ways but freezing is an absolutely normal human response!
the fact that she didnt cry because of the unbelievable shock that they put her through isnt weird at all, how do you even let that sink in and accept it as fact? its so bizarre and shes in the denial stage of grief
I lost my new born baby at the hospital and when he was pronounced dead, I didn't cry. I was in shock.. until I was left alone. That's when it all came out. When family came to visit or nurses and doctors walked in, I was just.. emotionless. So everyone reacts to loss differently.
bailey laughed so much in this video it was so adorable 😭 ❤ looks like she's having so much fun. I could listen to her tell stories about literally anything and be entertained
Thank you for telling us when you're having a bad makeup day. Because when I have them, I straight up cry and have a breakdown tbh. And your makeup looks bomb. So like, maybe my makeup looks bomb to my invisible audience. ❤
@BaileySarian the quick theme song drops make it that much better! For those of us that have listened since day 1 brings back so much joy...Thank you!😂❤
Ugh, that detective had it out for her just because of how she looked. Ridiculous And Bailey, I am such a huge fan of you as I’m sure you hear often but I just wanted to tell you! I listen to you when I’m cleaning or doing something I don’t like to do and your story telling and how you deliver it makes whatever I’m doing easier! ❤❤❤
The father definitely did it, why was he seen outside their window, especially as it seems the kids were taken from the bedroom out of the window, I think he knocked on the window to wake them up and got one of them to open they window that’s why Alice heard the noise, I think he seized missy by the throat and strangled her to silence her and took his son still alive, he probably had a female friend or lover help him, I think he did it because he knew that the court would award custody to Alice, if they had dusted the the window frame for finger prints they would have found his and maybe the female friends prints, also why was there no shoe prints/impressions taken from outside the window. Both kids should have been properly analysed, missy was strangled could they have taken measurements from both Alice’s hands and Edmunds hands and compared that to size of hand/hands that strangled her.
i think he did it to get alice back cuz he knew that if something like that happened then she grief with him if that makes sense and thought he would get her back
@@adeliecn1763 ohhh yea Bailey did say that, if it was the pjs that were used they would have had to been removed from missy, which is disturbing in itself, the dad was known for exposing himself to kids who knows what he was capable of.
Sad they didn’t look into the father more…if he was exposing himself to children what else was he doing to children.
That's what I was thinking 😢
Exactly!!!! 😢
YES.
He put himself at her apartment during the time the kids were abducted. No one looked into that. Amazeballs.
Exactly!
Honestly I think the husband did it. The fact that he always found a way to sneak inside the house. Also was near the children bedroom is very telling. I think he had help with it too.
I feel like the detectives definitely knew and that’s why there is nothing on him like anywhere. They just glossed over him
I think the husband and the detectives had something to do with those kids deaths.
@@KatinaChandlerthey were probably lovers too. (The husband and detectives)
My thought!! I know sometimes custody battles cause people to think/do crazy things, but he was in and out of that home more than she even knew of. I’m trying to wait for the full video before my opinion but I feel it is him
@@KatinaChandler that would make a lot of sense
She was judged for her life style not evidence. That detective should have been fired. No one even thought about the children. The father seemed more guilty.
I hope he never got that promotion 😒
Misogyny was rife & still is, sadly
@@ryandeakin5878nah misandry is more common unfortunately
Modern day witch trial.
Exactly!!!
Her : *literally passes out at the sight of seeing her daughters dead body* detective: “so dramatic” her: *doesn’t cry on the way home* detective: “not dramatic enough”
Exactly!! At this point, I hate the detective.
Hashtag boy logic.
@@amandajones661 very seriously!
That woman was in total shock. The way she found out it was probly days or weeks before she started processing
😅😅😅😅
And then has tears in her eyes when she gets out of the car "oh she's putting it on"
Girl, do NOT apologize for a wonky schedule. You were hospitalized at one point- take all the recovery time and adjustment time you need we will ALWAYS be here ❤️❤️❤️
Absolutely!
You are one of my favorite people in the entire world!!!❤❤❤😂😂😂
Amen to always being here no matter what ❤️
Exactly!! I just get excited ANYTIME I get that YT notification 😊😊
@@Solènelamigonnelicorne
This whole story makes me so mad.
-passes out- "She's faking it for the press!"
-is in shock- "She's not crying, she must be guilty!"
-starts crying- "She's faking for the cameras! Don't believe her crocodile tears!"
-is in shock and does her makeup on auto pilot- "She's not upset enough! She shouldn't be able to function!"
WTAF DO YOU WANT FROM THIS WOMAN?
I was thinking the same thing. In tragedies some people cling to their routine to feel like their world isn't spirally out of control. Like what are their standards on someone else's grieving process?
Could not agree with you more. This case is just... 🤦♀️
I completely agree. But also, HOW'D YOU DO THE CROSS OUT THING?? I wanna learn a new trick lol ❤
This is reminding me of the JonBenet Ramsey case were the police just focused on her parents. They over.looked evidence that clearly showed that someone outside the family killed JonBenet. There was no evidence that Alice had anything to do with her children's death. Sad story for sure.
When my dtr lost her infant she didn't cry for two days...at the hospital she just kept smiling and saying "thats not my baby..my baby is fine"...she was in shock and later that evening before it sank in she reverted to a child herself ( calling me mommy and wanting me to hold her in the bed which she hadn't done in 22yrs) her baby died of natural causes
..I can't imagine what it would have been like if it been a result of foul play
It seems plausible that the father killed the kids. He didn't want them, he wanted to control her. He was stalking her & coming in and out of the house at will. He also would be able to easily transport the kids for obvious reasons. This case really seems to be a huge injustice. It's heartbreaking.
And add in that he admitted to exposing himself to children. Wow!
Just to add to what you're saying. Whether in the past or in the present of children missing. Very rarely is it a stranger. Shows these days fixate that when kidnapping of more than one kid, it's a familiar face. Because kidnapping more than one child at the same time, flailing, kicking, biting.. even babysitters experience a tantrum kid. Not easy. Dad was noticed peering into the kids window. (Inappropriate) Exposing himself to kids (Inappropriate).. he had a vendetta on his wife/ex. He pulled the "if I can't have them, you can't either."
What do you mean injustice? Real victims here are kids, if she wasn't guilty she still failed to protect them. Both parents are disgusting human beings.
I lost a child April 7, 2022…….. it tore a hole in the fabric of our family…. Afterwards leading to 2 other deaths….that one day in April destroyed everything I thought was beautiful in this world…… you don’t know how you will react….. I was told I screamed for hours on and off after I fell to my knees…. But I think I blocked a lot of that day out ….. I don’t remember much just the screaming on the other end of the phone telling me she was dead. ….. so if you HAVENT lost a child please don’t comment about how you think people will react!!! No one should feel that pain…… it’s a pain that stays with you 24 hours a day 7 days a week and even when I’m sleeping it’s about her…….
Oh, I am so very very sorry. That is the worst thing in the world that could happen to a parent. My heart went out to you as soon as you wrote that you lost a child. I pray to Jesus that He will be close to you, and give you some sort of comfort to get through this horrendous thing. I am so sorry.
Sorry for your loss. NO parent should ever have to outlive their children....
I'm sorry for your loss, And you are so accurate. You cannot speculate how you would react unless you have been through it.
😢sorry for loss😢
Sorry for your loss dear
Edmund never really wanted the children. He just wanted to control Alice. He killed those poor children.
Nah they both did. I bet he helped her cover it up. As a mother I /would/could never say "rather see them dead than with their dad" absolutely not. They both are at fault
@@jenivettebigham7060Hmmm
@@jenivettebigham7060there is no way that was a lie? Rolls 👀
Who knows. She hung out with shady characters and left her kids without a care to go sailing with a new boyfriend, no one knows what kind of shady characters hung about or might've wanted to hurt her.
Oh Bailey I love watching do your makeup and listen to the story!!!
Not much has changed… I just recently saw the bundle from my court case… a police man who visited me to take a statement about the harassment I was receiving from my ex had put that he suspected I was making it all up to lay the groundwork so I could get full custody in court. He had absolutely no reason to think this, and 6 months later my ex was actually found guilty. It is shocking how women can be judged some days
I'm sorry that happened to you, that's really messed up. Mis○gyny in the p○|ice force is rampant
I am so thankful you were finally vindicated ❤❤
Something like that almost happened to me. Except that I was pregnant and my ex choked me. Then took his side. When I had scratches all over my neck and was seen by the EMTs. He took his side and I couldn't get a protective order.
Oh girl, I am so sorry. You're right that not much has changed. I'm in a different but not dissimilar situation right now.
When I went to the police, I could feel all the judgment. I didn't file an official report because I didn't want to be accused of accusing the father of my child for custody reasons. Now, I am about to defend myself in court for "contempt of court" because the narcissist is accusing me of not following the court order. He's listed all the things he's done and accused me of them by taking statements out of context.
We need strength! Sometimes justice isn't served. I hope it will be, for you, me, and everyone. The courts have a lot to learn and I'm trying to embrace this as my chance to teach them- otherwise it is so depressing and sickening.
I'm so glad your ex was found guilty. Amen.
@@xo.Frenchie Jesus that is awful! I hope you and your baby are both safe now? I’m so sorry you went through that x
Alice Crimmins clearly did not get a fair trial. I read on Wikipedia that she is still alive at 85, but Edmund died in 2012. My heart goes out to her.
I pray she’s living a quiet, somewhat peaceful life somewhere 😢
I'm surprised she wasn't accused of anything when he died
I’m like 95% sure Edmond had something to do with it. Because as a dad wouldn’t you be freaking out trying to figure out what happened to your kids? He seemed like he didn’t even care
Ah nah man men just be like that but the mother??!? (I agree wit u nw)
Poor Alice. She's still alive too. I hope she is living a quiet and peaceful life. But I bet she still has nightmares about it all. Those poor kids 💔
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The detective having it out for her immediately is enough reason for me to believe she's innocent. He was just on a judgement spree, the evidence does not point to her.
When it comes to children, why wouldn't you be skeptical of everyone? Especially the parent that was last seen with the kids? And locking them in their bedrooms at night? Assuming they won't need to use the bathroom. It really is also suspicious she hadn't much of a reaction to seeing her kids dead, but she cried for her innocence in court.
@@averyhugefanbecause it’s the 50s and women weren’t allowed an identity that wasn’t an extension of their husband.
@@AutumnPearly01 What does that have to do with locking kids in their bedrooms at night, or not showing any reaction to the death of a loved one?
@@averyhugefanshe would have been in shock, when my papa died I didn’t cry until his funeral because it didn’t feel real until then.
@@averyhugefanid argue fainting from shock was a pretty big reaction. But not everyone shows emotions the same way
Side note: If Edmund spent half as much time he did sneaking around afterwards, at home when they were together, they’d be together.
Totally agree.
Edmund wanted to be free, and run the streets,but heaven forbid his WIFE try it.
He did not want her,left her,no money,no nothing,yet was obsessed
Edmond was for the streets UNTIL his wife wanted him in the streets. Typical narcissist behavior.
Right!
Literally! I’m only a few minutes in and that’s my main thought like bro why didn’t you put as much effort into your marriage as you are being a creepy little pervy stalker
Hard agree
1. She didn't do it
2. You being genuinely startled by you own reflection is top tier comedy
3. I actually love this makeup look
Not crying is a reaction due to traumatic stress. Shutting down or dissociation is common response when you feel overwhelmed. It amazes me how many people especially police officers who don’t understand traumatic stress symptoms.
I agree, especially given that she also fainted and went into a coma at other times of intense stress.
It’s crazy how little they understand!
Tell that to the Fb & Tiktok police. They claim anyone who doesn't cry is lying or in on it. It makes sense these real detectives did the same :( People are quick to point fingers without really looking at the facts.
When my cousin died and I was told the news I laughed at first. The shock of it, I guess I didn’t register that it was real. I sobbed for days after but my initial reaction was laughter. I’m sure if it had been suspicious they definitely would have thought it was me by their logic
Agreed. Basic psychology needs to be a requirement… it’s just too easy to become a cop.
My kids were missing, thank goodness they were reunited with me fairly quickly, but I went into an almost robotic state. I didn't cry. I kept stating where they were missing from, what they were wearing, the fact that they would never willingly wander off, and what their names were. This was at Six Flags in California and I was so robotic that the head of security started to think they weren't really missing. A little boy ran up to me because he'd recognized the robotic description I'd been repeating like a script. He said he knew where they were, took me to them, and I still didn't cry. We were about 30 feet apart and I couldn't even walk or run to them, my legs stopped working. I called them and they ran to me and THEN I broke down into tears. Everyone handles situations differently. 😔
*edited for misspelling.
So they did wander off?
@gracelynwoods No, they were behind these bushes and I couldn't see them from where I was. The little boy saw them because they had been asking about me, too. It was crazy, like in those movies where people are RIGHT NEXT TO each other, and they don't know it?
So glad you found them
@renelvierosteliemavoungou6854 So am I! Easily the scariest moment of my life. 😅
😢 thats so scary omdd
The cops in this case : "she's not crying that's suspicious... Wait, she's crying... that's suspicious..."
^women show emotion^ That's sus
^women don't show emotion^ That's sus
What?!!
To a cop, everything is suspicious if they've determined in their mind that someone is probably guilty.
She's got eyes, mf-ing suspicious!😂
My son died in a motor vehicle accident a few years ago and we had to go identify his body aswell. I did not cry .... the shock was just to much, tears came later. So I think that focusing on the fact that she did not cry is rediculous. She was judged and found guilty even before she saw the inside of the Court. I feel the husband should have been investigated more. His actions are just suspicious.
I genuinely think if something happened to my children I would absolutely freeze - it’s my go to trauma response, my mind goes in a million different directions at once and it cause me to shut down as I can’t process it all at once and the outpouring of emotion comes later. It’s a perfectly normal and valid human response - traumatic events take time to process whether your reaction is to instantly burst into tears, anger or complete silence at the overwhelming emotions. I genuinely don’t think we should judge others based on initial reactions just because the appearance is not what we expect - or jump to conclusions off of it. The detectives in this case are disgraceful. Even if she was guilty they didn’t prove anything but peoples bias towards women living their life how they want. She very well could’ve been guilty but not based on the evidence provided and the lack of effort to find justice for these kids whether it was her or someone else is disgusting.
i absolutely love that you didn't edit out you scaring yourself. genuinely needed a laugh like that after the week i've had. love you bailey
When I lost my son, I was in shock for several hours and did not cry. It took a minute for my brain to process the reality of the situation. I don't judge her for her reactions. 💜
Whenever someone in my life died I went into a state of just... calm. There was always an element of denial to it. At the funeral was always when I broke down, when the reality hit me. Not a moment earlier.
Faith, im sorry for your loss too... as a grieving momma myself, I didn't cry for the first few hours, either... it was shock... I cry every day, but those first few hours were spent in complete shock.
I send light & love your way.
I'm so sorry for your loss, there just aren't words to console someone who has been through what you have. No one should ever have to outlive their children. 💔
Thank you. @@yagirltay3413 💜
Sorry for your loss
Anyone with kids knows how the food thing makes complete sense:
Mom buys veal and beans for a nice supper.
Kid refuses to eat it, Mom gives them Mac and cheese instead
Right? I try to feed my 2.5 year old nice meals all the time and some days eats it just fine and some days she thinks that goldfish and a fruit pouch is a meal. Sometimes she acts like Mac and Cheese is something I have never fed her and how dare I expect her to eat that!
My kids would do the same thing when they were really little. Kiddos are the most finicky eaters sometimes 😂
if you got one on the spectrum it's around 5 meals sometimes.
Exactly!!
Not only that, but also back then it was frowned upon to not make a home cooked meal every night for dinner. So she may have felt she would’ve been shamed for feeding her kids boxed Mac and cheese.
The themeeee song 😭😭 Only the OGs get the feels hearing it come back. We love you Bailey and love to see you taking YOUR MONDAYS BACK! 🎉❤
I sing it with her every time! 😆
Me three 😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
It's mine & my son's favorite part. We sing it every time! 💗
Me four 🎉
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Rest in peace little ones. You two are the only people that matter here.
I’m sorry, Edmund ADMITTED to being at the crime scene at 2-something in the morning because he “wanted to see if Alice was home” and called her at 3 am. I can’t deal >.
And talked ti her about what ..THE KIDS!!! Like what???
@@shhhhyoudontknowme Right! My first thought was he called to make sure she hadn’t heard or noticed the kids missing yet, which then gave him time to dispose of the bodies before morning
@@SarahBanana2 I didn't think about it like that but seeing as he did go to a bar bro g loud it really makes sense he was trying to create a. Alibi
@@SarahBanana2 also sorry about misspellings, my phone is broken
@shhhhyoudontknowme
lol I was going to say, I understand 90% of your comment but I’m not sure what “go to a bar bro g loud” meant. I assume you meant “go to a bar beforehand”? I’m not far into the video though so I have no context.
Also, I LOVE that Anthony Grace stood by her the whole time. That’s pretty epic
REAL
A real man.
A man of GRACE
How is that epic? Whether she killed her kids or not she was STILL an extremely abusive parent. She LOCKED her kids inside of their room and made the excuse that Eddy would sneak into the fridge, and she also left them with a baby sitter to go on a cruise or whatever with her boyfriend. Why are y'all acting like she's an amazing person 💀
@@katherinebattle3780how ?
she's still alive, I hope she sees this. you gave her a better trial than they did.
This
She was ahead of her time
@@MkiiahMichaels 8:54
"Either way, she had eyes." Why did I laugh so much at this 🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly I believe the detective hated her so much because she was the kinda of woman he wanted and couldn’t have and would never admit that! Insecure asf
It's exactly how Frollo acted towards Esmeralda in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
That's exactly textbook narcissistic behavior. Narcissistic men hate women that don't fall for their charm. I don't remember which specialist talked about it because i binge watched so many 😂. I think it was Dr. Ramani (a specialist on narcissistic and antagonistic personality types)
So I'm not the only one thinking it! I know how men are.... especially super religious men. He was attracted to her, so that's why he targeted her and was so obsessed.
Or orrr he had an affair with Edmund and thats why they never pointed fingers at him..
Makes sense
When my husband unalived himself in front of me I couldn't cry either. I was so shocked no tears would come out. I just sat there asking why they weren't helping and when they told me he was gone I was just mute. It's not an uncommon response to trauma
that's very intense. I hope you're healing best you can.
Sending a virtual hug. I’m so sorry.
❤
💜💜💜
I'm so sorry you went through that. I hope you are doing okay. Many hugs.
Bailey is the only reason i look forward to Mondays
@@Solènelamigonnelicornewhat’s the victims name?
Bailey and Bratterstein
Same here!
How many parents are hysterical when their children pass or go missing , only to find out that they are the guilty party ? Shanda Van Ark comes to mind? Chris Watts..Very unreliable clue.
Same!! 🖤
Whenever Bailey says, "hope you're having a wonderful day so far". I always respond out loud, "Thank you Bailey
I don’t think there’s even enough evidence for me to have an opinion. This was really a terribly executed investigation.
Honestly I think the husband did it. The fact that he always found a way to sneak inside the house. Also was near the children bedroom window is very telling.
@@Annabellethedoll666YUP!! And a jealous man with violent tendencies and stalking will usually use children as a way to hurt the spouse.
@@Exorcist364xs exactly
@@Annabellethedoll666mom had more motive, they where going to court for costody in one week and he most likely was going to win.
@@Annabellethedoll666 and it's super weird that she woke up to a loud noise and he calls her right after? To talk about custody ?? 🤔 it almost feels like he wanted her distracted so she wouldn't investigate the noise? Idk But it seems very sus
she just casually slips it in that she’s going back to every monday at some point.. THIS IS SO EXCITING!!!
@@Solènelamigonnelicorne Charlotte Dobre? And you sound a bit weird honestly. Why would these women love you, just another viewer like everyone else?
Et honnêtement, tu as l'air un peu bizarre. Pourquoi ces femmes vous aimeraient-elles, juste un autre spectateur comme tout le monde ?
@@Solènelamigonnelicornemalade
@@sab1992.9 malade toi même
@@sab1992.9 ton prénom est ringard malade toi même 😂😂
not a dull commitment... let's not pressure her❤😊
Days of the week:
BAILEY
Tuesday
Wednesday
Dark History
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
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Saturday is Lore Olympus for me. 😂
@@Solènelamigonnelicorneshe did that ages ago
She use to upload Saturdays just doing make up looks sometimes I go back and watch them like when she was like we're moving so my neighbor stole all the light bulbs in my house
Yes but Sunday is Mr. Ballen
MMM and DH get me through work lol
“She had eyes” 😂 these stories are always so sad and awful but i laugh so much because your delivery is the best.
There was no justice for any of the three victims in this case, Alice or her two children. So sad. Bailey your makeup turned out gorgeous ❤
Bailey scaring herself in the mirror is the most relatable thing I've ever seen. I love you so much. 😂
i also got a fright and I laughed so hard
I jumped when she did lol.
I laughed so loud I scared the cat I’m pet sitting 😂
It's nearly as iconic as her falling out of her chair in a previous episode 😂🤍
The way I jumped out of my skin lol.
I swear the father did it. everything adds up to him being the one and he got some female to help him. perhaps a family member?
That's what I thought right from the start!!
Think he got the babysitter to help? The kids obviously trusted whoever got them out of the window.
Honestly I think the husband did it too. The fact that he always found a way to sneak inside the house. Also was near the children bedroom before their disappearance is very telling. I think he also had help possibly.
@@sabrinalocke2846true
He didn’t even need anyone else. The couple seen could have been the family that later came forward. Also…if he was spying so much, what evidence did he collect that night? I can’t say without a doubt she didn’t do it or that he did, but there is definitely reasonable doubt she did it and reasonable suspicion that he did
not even half way through this and Bailey you have had me chuckling so much that i was choking!!! love you, and thank you for everything ❤
Ridiculous. Poor lady. Her first mug shot she just looks tired. Like just tired of the bull and tired of the accusations and just emotionally tired from losing her children. It really shines a light on the dark age of forensics. Lot of people were convicted on little to no evidence.
Many still are.
I’m near the beginning of the case but had to comment. No man would ever say they , “went to a park and exposed themselves to young girls ,” unless they were doing just that …… like you said Bailey , nobody would ever even think of something so disgusting!!!
Been watching you for literal years now.Thank you for letting me grow with you, Bailey.
how?
Thank you for being here!
Same I've been here since 2020 😅
@@BaileySarianmiss Bailey, can you please do a video on the Ghost Train “accident” at Luna Park in Sydney? I recently watched a documentary and it’s a wild case. As an Australian I’d never heard about it and think it deserves more attention because it’s a doozy and involves alleged corruption in the police and government. All the love from a long time fan 😊❤️
the fact that ive been watching Bailey since highschool and now im about to finish university 🥺❤️
Bailey's scream at ~52 min. I had to back up and rewatch that. You're so funny!!😅
I’ve gone into shock a couple times and it’s like your brain doesn’t understand what is happening. When the police knocked on my door to tell me my soon to be ex husband 32:55 passed away, the only thing I could do is laundry. I didn’t know what to do. It didn’t hit me until many hours later and I was a hot mess.
This! I always thought of shock as an innate self-defense mechanism.
The first sudden death of a loved one I experienced was at 18 years old. Lost one of my best friends to gun violence. I had a mix of shock and denial and went to the hospital to wait for him to get out of surgery… There was no surgery. My brain just made it up, despite others telling me on site that he had already passed. It took over an hour for it to actually settle with me. Actually, hearing his mom tell me to go home was what sort of snapped me into reality.
I’m so sorry for your loss. It’s an awful thing. ❤️
I agree. My nan was my best friend and when my dad told me she’d died I simply thanked him and excused myself to do my German homework. I went to school the next day acting like nothing happened. I didn’t cry until we went to her house the following day. As soon as she wasn’t in her usual spot at the door waiting on us I was a complete mess.
Same thing happened to me when I was told that my 53-year-old husband had passed away at the hospital. I just stared at the hospital. It is going on 9 years and I still have a hard time believing it.
My dad just passed , right infront of me. I had a moment but , left straight away i might have a moment but i still dont think its true. I still go to call him ,hes been gone 2 months. Everyone grieves differently.
I’m sorry for everyone’s loss. I wish you all the best❤
This case truly is ‘heaven forbid women do *anything*’
“She had eyes” made me spit my coffee all over the vanity. I actually needed that laugh today, thanks Bailey.
Your reaction to the mirror absolutely SENT ME 😂😂😂
Im so happy 'shanasha' is back 😁❤
That intro, "shana sha shana sha shana shasha shana sha" always freaking gets me 😭😂 ILYSM Bailey 💖
Ikr even mumbling still made my day!
For real HAHHAA😂
It’s from the simple life with Paris Hilton and Nichole R :)
Someone needs to make a full parody song out of it😂
Bailey could host SNL and her theme song would make people go wild!!! 😊❤
I remember watching this on A Crime to Remember and it was just so sad to see the reenactments of the events. I truly believe she is innocent, she just grieved in her own way of trying to numb the pain.
Some people dissociate and feel numb. Others take a long time to process and register what happens.
I love that show so much, and Web of Lies
That show is stellar in every way
I miss that show.
I’ve seen this story on “Crimes to Remember “, I am glad that you did the recap. I feel that you gave additional insight.
This case is so irritating. They didn't care who killed the children, they just wanted to put a "loose woman" away
If he would have spent as much time being home with her and giving her attention as he did stalking her and being a creepo maybe their marriage would have been okay
Exactly
The podcast Tell No One did a really great episode on this case. This case was mishandled and so blatantly misogynistic it's crazy
Why am I laughing so hard at Bailey dropping her makeup, the way she said “ohhh nooo”😭😂🤣
Absolutely crazy how Bailey is saying she's having a bad makeup day but still looks incredible and beautiful. Love what she did with her eyeshadow.
"Hi, Boys? Drop Dead." ICON
Yes! I literally visioned it in like a Marilyn Monroe voice.
When you said at the beginning that you’re working your way to “going back to normal” with MM&M, I was filled with joy.
THE THEME SONG!!! Last video i watched was when you werent doing it anymore.
Id always sing it in my head anyways. 😂❤
I'm so glad you didn't edit out you getting scared by something in the mirror 🤣 I had to rewind and watch it again, lol.
Hahaha same here
Watched it 3 times hahahaha
I did too 😅😅😅
I did too!
same lol
I’m a new mom and trying to find my way back into makeup and loving myself again. Thank you for your tutorials with a story I can really get into ❤
I had my oldest 7 years ago this November. And I have an almost 5 and almost 3 year old. And I'm just now starting to do my make up again lol
I can't help but feel she got a really raw deal... They traumatized her again and again. Also, I actually love the makeup look Bay Leaf. Happy first day of spring everyone ✨️🌿🪻🐝
Convicted on ZERO physical evidence this is crazy af. Sexism is disgusting !
I can really appreciate that Bailey can keep the mood light without discounting the victims, and uses her humor to keep it from getting to down. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
could you imagine if social media were a thing at this time? detectives and sophie would be done for
You feel more yourself now after watching you for the last 4-5 years.. you felt amiss for a while and Bailey I am so glad to hear you come back into yourself. You will never be too much, you are an icon! An inspiration to funny women everywhere. Be you and don’t let anyone take that from you. You’re a beautiful soul.
I'm 56 years old ,my daughter who's 25 introduced me to you a week ago.
And I can't stop listening to your stories...After work while I'm resting or cleaning my house girl. I love ur stories and love while ur doing ur makeup... Thank you for keeping me intertain 🥰
Every Monday I type in "Bailey Sarian" to RUclips and PRAY there's a new MMM. I'm SO happy there's a new one! I know they must take it out of you emotionally to make, but it's cathartic AF to watch you tell these stories while doing your makeup so masterfully. Love you, Bailey, and your RAD channel!
So when she’s not crying it’s weird and not enough, when she is crying she’s playing up for the press!? Jeez Louise 🤦🏾♀️
Honestly, if something happened to my kids I think I would shut down - it’s my go to response for trauma and takes my brain a while to catch up - I totally understand someone’s lack of initial reaction as your brain goes in a million different directions at once and then the outpouring of emotion once the truth sets in. Of course people react in different ways but freezing is an absolutely normal human response!
the fact that she didnt cry because of the unbelievable shock that they put her through isnt weird at all, how do you even let that sink in and accept it as fact? its so bizarre and shes in the denial stage of grief
I looooove your old true crime (unknown too) stories Bailey ❤❤❤❤ Thank you so much for everything you do for us !!! Xo from iceland 😊❤
I have rewound and watched the ‘my reflection scared me’ part of this video over and over- I’m dying laughing!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Same! Best part 😅
What time is it at?
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@@nicolelehmann288852:12!
Same 😂😂😂 I was laughing so hard 😂😂😂
I think that Ex Husband is guilty AF. My heart is broken for poor Alice.
Poor kids they didn’t deserve that mess
This episode was absolutely great! You’re so hilarious, so many rewinds 🤣. I know a gardened 🍃 girly when I see one haha
Happy Monday MMM fam!! 🖤
Thank you❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Happy Mondayyy ❤
Happy Monday
Happy Monday!! 🙌
She was profiled and targeted as an easy target and that's deeply disturbing. And your makeup looks amazing!!!
I lost my new born baby at the hospital and when he was pronounced dead, I didn't cry. I was in shock.. until I was left alone. That's when it all came out. When family came to visit or nurses and doctors walked in, I was just.. emotionless. So everyone reacts to loss differently.
Sorry for your loss
bailey being so transparent about pmsing the whole time was so real. we all know how you feel, bestie. love you.
I love the new added description of what you're using on the screen while you're applying the makeup as you're telling the story amazing job as always
OMFG. Bailey getting startled at 52:11 almost made me spill my food. 😂😂😂
I was driving when it happened. Almost steered into the other lane 😅😅😅
I had been walking my dog alone for nearly an hour and hadn't seen another person. Safe to say, this really made me jump 😂
SAME my ramen almost went flying
I jumped and screamed when she jumped and screamed 😂
bailey laughed so much in this video it was so adorable 😭 ❤ looks like she's having so much fun. I could listen to her tell stories about literally anything and be entertained
Thank you for telling us when you're having a bad makeup day. Because when I have them, I straight up cry and have a breakdown tbh. And your makeup looks bomb. So like, maybe my makeup looks bomb to my invisible audience. ❤
When Bailey exclaimed, "Not brassieres!" sent me into giggles!
Totally in love with Bailey’s background set up 😍
Same
I've noticed a lot of channels leaning into the 'dark academia' aesthetic. I like it too.
GIRL!!! When you screamed I was in the middle of cooking and also got scared and, for whatever reason, ducked down 😂 You have me on high alert!
I was cooking as well, lol! I had the same reaction! 😂
This whole thing was crazy, indeed, but Bailey you made this story sooooo interesting…I was in awe throughout the whole thing.
she was definitely set up and I believe it was her husband. can't believe how badly women were treated back in the day. it makes me sick
Still happens sadly
Yayy the intro song is back🎉🎉
Yes! We missed it and welcome its return!
1:08 - Bailey laughing at "it's a big but" just proves she's one of us ♥
@BaileySarian the quick theme song drops make it that much better! For those of us that have listened since day 1 brings back so much joy...Thank you!😂❤
“She had eyes… we know that..” the way I cracked up over that
Ugh, that detective had it out for her just because of how she looked. Ridiculous And Bailey, I am such a huge fan of you as I’m sure you hear often but I just wanted to tell you! I listen to you when I’m cleaning or doing something I don’t like to do and your story telling and how you deliver it makes whatever I’m doing easier! ❤❤❤
“Either way, she had eyes”. 🤣🤣
Bad makeup day where?! Ma’am your makeup is absolutely gorgeous!!! Also why is this not a movie yet!?! This is wild!
If enough mad people acuse you of something it does not matter if you did that thing or not, the rest will believe! That is actually so scarry!
Bailey, the sparkle in your eyes is returning!
So happy to see it.
The father definitely did it, why was he seen outside their window, especially as it seems the kids were taken from the bedroom out of the window, I think he knocked on the window to wake them up and got one of them to open they window that’s why Alice heard the noise, I think he seized missy by the throat and strangled her to silence her and took his son still alive, he probably had a female friend or lover help him, I think he did it because he knew that the court would award custody to Alice, if they had dusted the the window frame for finger prints they would have found his and maybe the female friends prints, also why was there no shoe prints/impressions taken from outside the window. Both kids should have been properly analysed, missy was strangled could they have taken measurements from both Alice’s hands and Edmunds hands and compared that to size of hand/hands that strangled her.
I've just commented the same thing. I think it was the dad too. Plus him clearly looking up how to manipulate a polygraph!
i think he did it to get alice back cuz he knew that if something like that happened then she grief with him if that makes sense and thought he would get her back
Wasn’t Missy strangled with her PJ ? I think Bailey said it was tied around her neck
@@adeliecn1763 ohhh yea Bailey did say that, if it was the pjs that were used they would have had to been removed from missy, which is disturbing in itself, the dad was known for exposing himself to kids who knows what he was capable of.
The dad is my prime suspect
This was wild from start to finish.