Buy the car you want to drive for the next 10 years and you don't have to worry about resale. Poor people only care about resale because of their habits changing vehicles every 2-3 years.
Well if you are buying a car to just to sell it in 3-4 yrs you are making the wrong investments. Cars are a horrible investment. I say if you are buying and know you plan on selling before 5 years, consider a lease.
Welcome to Canada! Here in the Great White North (Ontario), we can NEVER own a car that can leave you stranded. My ICE used 34 tanks of gas per year, then my Hybrid used 24 tanks, and now my Plug-in Hybrid uses only 3 tanks (charging at home and at work). It took 17 months of gas savings to break even with the full cost of my transition from Hybrid to plug-in Hybrid - including installation of a 240V garage plug. Running a paltry three tanks of gas per year through an engine implies an insanely long lasting vehicle. None of these vehicles would cause range anxiety traveling anywhere in Ontario. I envision that everybody in this province should own a plug-in if their daily commute is fully or substantially electrified. I would only recommend a BEV if that is not possible, BUT ONLY if they also own a regular Hybrid for trips where virtually no chargers exist - that scarcity just isn't getting fixed fast enough. Can't recommend ICE to anyone except the first-time car buyer while they gather the cash for a used plug-in.
We've been all electric for over 3 yrs and love it. EVs are fast and fun to drive while needing almost no maintenance. Fast chargers cover the major highways but are also increasingly common along smaller roads as well. For the odd trip where there are currently no chargers, you could always rent, Turo or borrow another car. In my case this never happens. I suspect quite a few ppl are in the same boat. So overall definitely don't think most ppl need a PHEV or a hybrid.
Yep exactly, plus the fact you can build three to four PHEVs for every one BEV and they will run 95% of the time on the battery for nearly everyone who can charge daily. I probably go through two or three tanks myself a year that's less than 25 liters of fuel a year, no reason for me to hoard batteries. We don't have enough battery factories and mines running right now for every single new car buyer in the world to purchase a BEV without being on a waiting list years long.
I have been driving my 21 Prime for 3 years so far and I still enjoy driving it. It’s a great EV around town and an efficient hybrid for long trips. Every car has advantages and disadvantages, just pick whatever works best for you.
I've been driving a Chevy Volt for 5 years. People seem puzzled that I have a vehicle with only 50 miles of electric range. But it works for my family. Take kids to school in the morning- Charge it back up in time to go to work. Charging at home is the key. Pure electric mode over 90% of the time. I go for months (REALLY MONTHS) without adding gasoline. When I do add gas, I only put 3 gallons so I don't have old gas in the tank after a year.
I picked up my outlander PHEV 2 weeks ago and is my first "electric "experience. I can honestly say I am so happy with the whole setup! First tank of gas I did just over 1300kms, which included about 300kms of highway (plus some playing around with charge mode and very quick acceleration) My daily commute to work uses next to zero gas (only kicks in if someone left the HVAC on high on the last drive and it's -10c in Canada where I am) over about the first 800kms the computer said I averaged 2.4 liters per 100kms , full charge at home level 1 costs me about $2 however I've always had some battery left at the end of my day thanks to that innovative pedel which I love! for comparison I came from a Pacifica and that 1300kms would have been about 2.5 ish tanks of fuel for sure, In Canada that would be about $280, I may be a tenth that in hydro charging.
A huge issue that people don't seem to realize, is the longevity of an engine and muffler that is NEVER used for commuting, and only for distance trips. Shortly after getting home from work I've got a fully charged battery for evening trips! I swear there's a bird's nest in my muffler. I went from 34 tanks of gas to only 3 per year and that includes occasionally running the gas engine purposely to keep it healthy.
That's not true for all PHEVs. Some PHEVs run the ICE engine just for that purpose of clearing out the engine's lungs. Every XX or so miles, the engine will just run, whether it needs it or not.
Also if you throw it into a combined short of mode. U can run the motor most of the time and get like 80mpg or so. You'll just have to charge that battery at home daily.
I think this is why the Ramcharger is going to do so good. It's the first "EV" that you could reliably drive from Colorado to Alaska. If you *really* wanted to do it on all electricity, you could charge every 100 miles (lol), OR you could just send it in 600 mile stretches with gas. Really, really cool.
Two points of caution: 1. If you own a PHEV, make sure you drive in gas mode periodically and still do all of the recommended maintenance, like oil changes. Otherwise, the gas engine could seize like if you left an ICE car sitting for months. 2. Consumer Reports says that many PHEVs are not very reliable with the exception of Toyota/Lexus. I do not know what they say about the reliability of this PHEV.
Most PHEVs are rarely charged. Based on most studies. So of course oil changes should not be neglected. And reliability is more of a factor of what type of hybrid/PHEV is it? Does it use a planetary gear setup or multi-speed gearbox? The former is simpler and has less parts and tends to be much more reliable. Which is the most common Toyota/Lexus PHEV.
@@jpquebec123 Not true. Go and leave an ICE car for months without using the engine, and it can seize up. ICE engines require moving parts to be properly lubricated. When they are not used, the lubrication from the oil will eventually wear off. Once that happens, you get friction from metal contacting metal, which can lead to very costly engine rebuilds. Other problems include possible condensation weakening fluids over time, as well as contaminants in fluids settling over time, causing problems. Google search "leaving a car unused for months".
Not sure about other PHEV's but GM got it right with engine maintenance mode and fuel maintenance mode on the Volt. A vehicle ahead of its time, and gone too soon!
I've owned a PHEV for nearly two years. I've learned to NEVER explain the math to EV owners, because every single time they end up seeing they should have done the math regarding how they use their car before purchasing a super expensive BEV. I console them by saying thank you for being an early BEV adopter, making it more logical to buy BEV's as prices come down and chargers become more prevalent.
I think my 2017 Chevy Volt still has everyone beat with 50+ miles of Ev range in the summer. It will be great once the plug in hybrids get 125 + EV range.
It's crazy to me to think that NOBODY has a PHEV on the market that comes close in range to the Gen 2 Volt. I've been driving my 2016 Volt for 8 years and 167k miles and nothing else out there has a drivetrain that can compete. GM gave up on PHEV's way too soon, and I'm anxious to see what they come up with in their return to the market. An Equinox or Blazer PHEV with a 60-75 mile EV range would be fantastic.
Tommy, you nailed it. PHEVs make real-world.sense if you don't want to (or can't) have one city and one travel vehicle. As you noted there are are.plenty of purely economic or environmental arguments against them but they are a very practical (jack-of-all-trades) solution that is right for many.
As someone who has a bunch of old ICE cars, and likes EVs... PHEV's make a lot of sense on paper, but I don't think I could buy one. Ignoring all the Pros and Cons of a PHEV, there's one big thing that makes me dislike them: People don't plug them in. I can't tell you how many people I know with Wrangler 4xE's that didn't even know you could plug them in, and just bought them because of the price after rebates, or know you can plug them in and choose not to because "it only goes like 20 miles anyway". Or, I've come across several Volts at auction with the lifetime MPG readout being in the high 20's, with almost no charge cycles on the battery, because someone bought it for the rebates/incentives, and treated it like a hybrid and never plugged it in. IMHO PHEV's should be similar to something like a BMW i3 REx, where they're EV first, and a gas engine to get you home or somewhere on a longer trip, especially if no charging is available... just maybe give it a little larger engine than the i3 and a bit more battery buffer. Also, a lot of PHEVs are kinda half-assed. Either the range isn't usable (like a lot of the sub 15 or 20 mile ones on the market), the electric motor isn't that large so they're slow, they kick on the engine if you push on the pedal too much, or they have the electric motor in the bellhousing so you can feel it shift through the gears even in EV mode.
@@thedopplereffect00 I wouldn't say they're bad with money, like I said, I know a lot of people with Wrangler 4xEs specifically because they are/were the cheapest way to get a non-base wrangler because they're made in America and the battery is large enough to qualify for rebates/incentives. So they get them because of the price not even knowing/caring about the PHEV part
@@Black-Villain but if they plugged them in every night they could save like $1000/year on gas. I'd call that pretty bad with money. That's the same as paying $100/month on subscriptions you don't use.
@@thedopplereffect00 Oh I agree, but you know how people are. The German government recently did a study on PHEV owners because they're also having the same epidemic of people and fleets buying them up for tax incentives and rebates, and not plugging them in. Wouldn't surprise me if some software lockouts pop up to force people to plug them in every once in a while
I think PHEVs are great. I see them as stepping stone for people to love and appreciate being on electric only. I had a Ford CMax for 6 years before getting battery only EV. I think most people after getting used to driving electric only will likely keep a fully ICE car and a battery only car for most of their commuting and local travel.
The PHEV market is actually pretty exciting right now, lots of fun performance oriented models coming to market. Plus if you have a shorter commute with chargers at work you can literally spend all week on electric and only need gas on long weekend trips!
@@thedopplereffect00 a RUclips expert that assumes that, is the 'dumb' one... they logically do it, since it adds performance and they get a tax credit.... so it's often the least expensive option...
We bought a 2023 Outlander PHEV SEL Premium. Was used with 13k miles, but like new condition. Paid $38k. Don't think would have paid $51k for new. I don't think the one you are reviewing is the SEL Premium, but an SEL with Touring which is less than $51k. We love the car. For 90% or more of our driving will be all electric. Several 200 mile trips a month and couple trips a year of 1,600 miles. The ride and tech is also fantastic. The 3rd row would, and could be, used for a couple of our grandkids. I installed a level 2 in our garage for about $350 for charger and materials. I am very happy with this car and the PHEV concept
The original Chevrolet Volt had an EV range of 50 or at least my 2015 did. Best technology out there with an electric drive motor with a small gas generator. But totally ruined by a godawful iPod styled center console stack which drove me nuts. Drove and handled great. Got at least 42 mpg, great styling and was fun to drive. The designer and management that approved that center stack should be barred from the auto business forever. 🤬
PHEV concept is fantastic. I'd love to drive 20miles on electric. Most of my trips are less than 20 miles. However I'm a condo owner. There's zero chance of getting this older building retro fitted. Lucky for me I have a newer gas only Camry. 30mpg in town costs me cents on the dollar compared to a $52,000 phev.
For somebody who really wants a PHEV there are less costly and more efficient options. But most are purchased for performance and the tax credit anyway.
IMO a PHEV is really the way to go, especially if you only have 1 vehicle. My wife could do 90% of her driving just using electricity and only use gas when leaving town. Also, range anxiety is not a factor.
As someone who lives in Minnesota the ev tech isn't there yet to have a quality range in below zero temperatures so I'd say PHEV is the way to go from my pov as well.
Hate is not about EVs, it’s the government trying to force it on the public. A lot of people want that technology but like me many are waiting for the infrastructure to be better and more efficient. Also waiting for the driving ranges to be improved as well as more vehicle choices.
@@ChicagoBob123 no, a plugin hybrid is what I want. I want to be able to plug it in to charge. I see no point to a hybrid. They are more expensive and aren’t much more efficient, if at all. I make occasional long trips, but several short trips. I would only need to fill up on the long trips.
No one hates Outlander; we hate the brand for ruining it, not offering the cool cars they once did and then using names like Eclipse in a Crossover confusing buyers.
I’m an EV guy, and PHEVs definitely have a use case. I have a full EV and my wife has a PHEV. Both of us charge at a level 2 charger in our garage. Our whole family burns about 5-10 tanks of gas per year and we can still easily road trip to see family 3 states away
You make good points. There are a variety of power options throughout the market, just as there is a variety of vehicle types. We pick the types that suit our needs. If you live in a remote area and/ or do big miles, electric is not for you. Neither is a small car. We pick the car that suits us.
People that hate on the PHEV are the same people that don't understand why anyone would want an AWD or part time 4WD. Why lug around stuff that you don't need? 1 or the other right? Why have all that extra weight and components to drive a vehicle around that requires more maintenance and repairs? Open your minds up to the explanations. Small examples are, not everyone has space for more than 1 vehicle. Or wants the costs of 2 vehicles to insure and maintain. Same goes for a PHEV.
I am sold on the idea since the majority of my commute is around town. However I have replaced the motor and transmission in my beater family SUV and still have no car payment which ultimately fits my situation. No hate to those that can afford these cool new things.
Absolutely loved my 2018 and 2021 Pacifica (plug-in) Hybrid that I owned for a combined total of almost five years with no problems. I didn't really need the space anymore with the family growing up, and didn't like the thought of owning a Chrysler outside of (and even inside of) warranty, so I switched to a MYLR, but wouldn't hesitate to own another PHEV in general. It is too bad that Chrysler never truly addressed the transmission harness problem with the exception of extending the warranty (and being without your car for an extended period of time).
I have been a fan of PHEVs for years. They do make a lot of sense for many people. The radicals on either side won't be convinced., but they can provide a huge savings on fuel consumption more many people BUT you have to plug it in, as you said, at work or at home and use that electricity. There are many fine PHEV's out there and the Outlander is . . . . . . . . Well, is the Mitsubishi the best PHEV out there. No. Mitsubishi does has a somewhat deserved reputation of makings hmmm 'odd looking' cars and a reputation for being unreliable. Keep up the dialog, Tommy! I hope to see one of the other PHEV's in a review soon.
I Have a 22 Hyundai Santa Fe Plug in Hybrid. Love the car. Good on electric 31 miles and great on gas about 34 mpg. MPGe average is about 85. Comfortable, spacious and fun to drive
I kind of liked the idea of a plug in hybrid at first, but I think the maintenance and repairs would be a nightmare long term. You have to deal with all the normal engine stuff, but also all the battery stuff as well. In that sense its the worst of both worlds. The only big downside on full electric is road trips, but I take 1 or 2 a year, I think an electric car makes more sense. Worst case I'd rent a gas car if I needed it.
Depending on your commute, the gas engine is hardly used. You can go 40,000 miles between oil changes so I wouldn't call it the "normal engine stuff". You do have all the engine parts and they do require maintenance at some point but far less than normal. It's like having a gas car that sits in the garage and is only used for long trips except it's not a separate car. Around town it's just an electric car but then on long trips it's a gas car. Kind of the best of both worlds.
PHEV makes a lot of sense because the two technologies complement each other. EV are efficient at accelerating, and gasoline is so much more energy dense than even batteries in five years. As cold as it gets in Canada, short trips are murder for ICE. EV range for short trips is perfect, while gas is great for long trips. I don't want to refuel when it's -20C (-4F), nevermind charging for 20+ minutes. The model Y has a 1700 lb battery that costs $21,000 USD. The PHEV uses a 250 lb battery, at only $2,000. You can also charge a PHEV at home with level 1 charger, and it's easier to stay within 20-80% SOC which extends battery life.
I can buy an electric car today. Thats not the case with a PHEV. Tyota will laugh you out of the dealership. You could be waiting up to a year for an R4 Prime and when the dealer gets one its first come, first serve, so a buyer will need to drop what they’re doing, head to the dealer, and expect to be unable to negotiate price because there are a bazillion other people waiting, that the dealer has also called. Furthermore, Teslas are cheaper than a R4 Prime, be it a model 3 or even Y (which is what I own now because Tyota is utterly unprepared for the market).
All untrue. My good friend just bought a fully loaded 2024 Rav4 Prime. They are all over the country in whatever color or trim level you want. The hybrid (non-plug in) version is also very, very good and they are available all over as well. My friend even paid under sticker with no markup or dealer added crap. I would take a Rav4 Prime over any Tesla being made today, hands down.
@@markmonroe7330 negative. I bought my tesla 7 months ago after after Toyota telling me there was no hope for a R4-Prime. Unless they’ve made a massive turn around in production since then, i’d say your friend is a special case. -- West coast over here, what part of the country are you guys in?
@@poweredbyalpaca6362 They are readily available from Central to East coast even on dealer lots to be test driven with many priced under MSRP. They are all over but the highest density is NJ and NY.
Tommy makes some good points for PHEVs. I bought an early 2011 Chevy Volt and loved it. More affordable than a Tesla and I could drive electric to and from work. However, the two powertrains did leave less space for passengers and cargo. It was enough for me, but EVs provide more space and no engine maintenance. When I bought an early 2018 Model 3 it was a huge upgrade in every respect. Tommy may have wanted to road trip faster, but I road trip at 500-650 miles/day and have no problem stopping every 2-3 hours for 15-45 min. Today, the Model Y is such a better car than the Outlander PHEV, with more space, faster, no engine maintenance, easy 600 mi/day road trips with superchargers. On top of that the Model Y costs less AND also has addtional $7500 instant federal tax credit. With EV providing more car for less money, it is hard to see a reason to buy a PHEV.
On my 2nd phev. They make a ton of sense. You're right about the ev side has been no maintenance. And the engine has about 50% less. Down side is a an extra tax by my state, $90/year.
I'm not against hybrids BUT I know lots of people here in the SoCal area with PHEVs. I'm the only one who ever plugged mine in. Everyone else just does it for the carpool stickers and parking spaces.
PHEVs could be great if they were done correctly but they often aren't done right. PHEVs should have batteries sized to about 30KWh or about 100 miles of range (all are undersized), adaptive suspension (most don't have suspensions built to handle the increased weight of the batteries), decent HP electric engine (maybe around 125 HP minimum), Liquid cooled battery (with DC Fast charging), a heat pump heating/cooling system that allows for preconditioning of the interior while it is plugged in, and a pure EV mode. Closest you can get to this is the RAV4 Prime. Would love to see PHEVs released some day with Solar built into the roof and Propane Auto gas as their ICE component as Propane never goes bad but that is certainly a pipe dream.
Dark ages, what? That makes no sense. Solid state batteries have been around the corner for over a decade. Just look at all the press releases from Toyota about their solid state battery being ready soon, and then soon, then soon, and so on. They have been saying that since 2011 I think was their first press release. Some say the solid state dream will always remain that. Good in the lab, not in volume production. With that said, other battery tech has moved forward and the current gen of LFP batteries is miles ahead of the hold batteries made for over fifty years. Now there are batteries using a sodium mix that are in production. I think battery tech is changing quickly, but what is out is generally very good. This is becoming like mobile phones where the pace of change is rapid. I doubt my 2023 Model 3 will a problem to keep driving through 2035 or later. Odds are I will upgrade in 2030 just because I do enjoy technology.
My biggest issue with the Outlander is that In hybrid mode it doesn't seem especially frugal. I drive a Niro PHEV and in Hybrid it's pretty impressive.
You are comparing a larger AWD and a smaller FWD vehicles. Plus, in Outlander PHEV the trick to improve efficiency when in hybrid is to put the car in the SAVE mode when the battery is around 3/4 full. My 2019 PHEV's ICE consumption is rated at 25 mpg, but I average around 33-35 when operating my car as a hybrid.
@@unitedwestand56 noted, I was watching a direct comparison between the gas and PHEV Outlander and, as it had the same engine I was surprised that the engine just running to power the electric motors was no more frugal than the gas model. It just seems like, as a generator for the battery/motors for most of its operation it would have less load on it compared to driving the wheels and thus would consume less gas.
I've loved plug-in hybrids ever since Jeep introduced the Wrangler 4xe. I was thrilled about having an ability to get the best of both worlds in one vehicle. Than I started paying even more attention towards the Outlander PHEV, which I've always approved of, but wasn't particularly interested in. Now I'm thinking about buying a used 2015-ish Outlander PHEV as my first car instead of my long dream car X164 GL 320 CDI Offroad Pro. Maybe I'll get both one after another.
@@SueC56 my country looks huge on the map, but in reality we don't usually have long commute. 12 kWh must be enough for like 20-ish miles. And to me personally a car is a thing of passion, not just daily transportation. We have good public transport here, I would probably not drive to work anyway. I'll use my Outlander for grocery shopping and fun weekend trips. I basically don't need a car, I just want one.
For me PHEV is a permanent solution till EVs are cheap and have 500 miles range and charging times are 15 to 20 minutes can handle load and long road commutes better.
Two years ago we wanted a RAV4 Prime for the reasons most people consider a plug in hybrid. Could not find one and we bought an Ioniq 5 instead. I know there are excellent use cases for a PHEV but we’re very happy with the BEV option. I still wonder why Toyota only offers two PHEV models.
What you are missing is in some countries corporations provide employees a fleet car for their daily commute plus a gas card. Resulting in no incentive to plug in at home. Just use the corporate gas card.
Honda Clarity 5 years no problems at all, take it on drives from So. California to Mammoth Lakes Ski Resort area often, the engine gets loud going up steep grades and handles it fine. Hate not having a spare tire now a days that seems to be normal. The car is a little quirky but I bought it to save money on gas and after 5 years it has greatly exceded my expectations, Honda’s just work and the company’s 1 try at a PHEV was pretty damn good.
I looked at one of these when they first came out. Was not initially a fan of the front end look, but it’s grown on me a bit. So it’s more acceptable to me now. But I was somewhat put off by the interior. By making it a 3 row suv, it’s too cramped overall in the back. And they did not offer a two row version. So for me, it’s a pass. Maybe I would re consider if they made a 2 row version and moved the rear seat back and down about 2 or 3 inches. I have a Ram Promaster City SLT wagon, it’s the van with a 2nd row seat. I really like the size of the rear cargo area and the usefulness of the rear seat for semi occasional rear passenger use. The tumble fold feature of the rear seat allows for a larger flat floor area when I need it. It suits me well. The Mitsubishi Outlander has a way way nicer interior and drive train configuration. But still using the obsolete CHAdeMO charge standard instead of the Tesla/NACS standard is a fatal flaw for me currently.
Until we build out the infrastructure to support EVs (more charging stations) I think the PHEV is a solid choice for most people. But really, we’re closer than people will admit. Range anxiety is like most anxiety - irrational; the vast majority of drivers are NOT driving 400 miles every day. A PHEV’s 20-mile range means I’d likely use gas once or twice a YEAR.
Your argument about electric cars is 0 maintenance. But your argument against plug in hybrids is they requires maintenance to the electric motor. Cmon tommy starting this off super 1 sided.
Hi Tommy, You sold me. The PHEV IS the “North American Electric Vehicle Standard” (NAEVS r). The majority of people coming from a gas burner that want to road trip even occasionally will accept a PHEV but are UNLIKELY likely to KEEP an EV long-term until battery tech makes ALL EVs able to rapid charge 200 miles in 10 min and DCFC’s are at EVERY refueling plaza (‘equity with gas’). I’d go one further on your comment about charging, a PHEV needs HOME charging, AT 7+ kWh to be really used. To REALLY get them used in EV mode, charging HAS to be drop-dead easy to access. So let’s get reserved/logo status for the North American Electric Vehicle Standard!!! A combination standard of at least: a. 40 miles electric, b. 7.2 kWh AC charging, c. 75 kWh J3400 DCFC, d. 450 miles gas range and e. Include portable 7.2 kWh 240 EVSE for home charging. If we can recruit a block of politicians, GET a tax credit to cover the full cost of installing a 40A (run at 32) AC line for home charging. NAEVS. If T can make NACS a thing, we make NAEVS a ‘standard’ for the vehicle industry to latch onto and use to get electric-drive capable vehicles in use while preserving ease of long distance travel and ENDING “range / charge anxiety”.
Let me start by saying I do own a full EV however I live in the ideal situation where owning a full on EV is extremely easy. I have an attached garage & my electrical box is in my garage. However I’m from Chicago where most of the neighborhoods are older prewar or were developed just after WWII. This means they don’t have attached garages where you can easily run a line to a level two charger. Also, it’s extremely rare to find driveways or parking next to your house so if you don’t have a garage you only have street parking. You’ll also fine this exact situation in most large cities in the Midwest & Northeast. I’m saying all of this to say that PHEVs (and regular hybrids) can actually do more to help the environment & have far greater reach because millions more people in cities like Chicago or NYC alone can have all electric driving for most if not all of their daily commutes as long as they have access to a 120 plug. It may not sound like a great distance but asking someone in Chicago traffic to go five miles (or more) to a DC fast charger can take 20 minutes one way depending on traffic so at minimum you are asking someone to take an extra hour out of their day which is unrealistic. PHEVs at least offer a realistic option for millions of people that full EVs don’t.
The problem is the battery size. If they give you 100 miles it would be great but the ram charger is a good setup. All big suv or minivan need this setup
I've always like the plug in hybrid. See porches 918, gen 2 volt, and ct6 plugin. The issue was the cost benefit ratio wasn't there, till recently. Also, still can't plug ut in, so i still can't own one.
We do not hate them because they are hybrids. We hate them because automakers do not make them correctly. They should be made with a battery large enough that you can get close to 100 miles per charge. The gas motor should only be used for most highway use. If you drive less than 100 miles per day, an EV is shown to be a better way to travel day to day if you can charge at home. Plus, most Phevs cost more or the same as most EVs.
I actually think plug-in hybrids are the way of the near future. They combine the advantages of both systems. And under the 2035 regulations, hybrids are perfectly fine. (Its not EV's only as some think).
@@gregpochet4812 I am a Tesla owner. I have only fast charged once at an Electrify America dispenser. Where I live their rates are 5x higher than my at home charger making it too expensive to seriously consider using often
They figured out long ago that diesel-electric was the way to get the most work out of a gallon of fuel. Until batteries are better, gas-electric is appealing to me.
It would have been at the top of my list if not for the extreme cold starting issues and that my nearest dealer is 90 minutes away. Also rip that 3rd row out already and make use of those space for some nice extra cargo storage, please. The 3rd row is one big annoyance of this model.
Range anxiety is a condition for people who don’t have experience with electric cars, plug-ins are just a sort of mental training wheel for folks who are nervous about range that they don’t need. As full electrics come up to scale plug-ins are just going to be a much more expensive option comparatively.
Completely ridiculous statement. Ask some Tesla driver how things went for them over the winter in Chicago. Range and charging are real issues for many, many people over the country, especially those without home ownership and in rural areas.
@@markmonroe7330 I drive a Tesla all winter long in the cold Pennsylvania weather with no issues. The Chicago issue was specific to people who could not charge at home and tried to take a frozen car to a charger without preconditioning the battery, further how many gasoline and diesel cars did not start that same morning Chicago? That simply doesn’t make the news. You heard a news report that led you to a false conclusion.
@@Creelyblades Bottom line, people had problems with their Tesla's, lots of them. Plenty of people all over the place seeing greatly reduced range on cars that are already short in the range department. Maybe some day AAA will have trucks with charging cables so they can bring the unfortunate some juice. A huge percentage of people do not own their homes and are not able to charge at home. Cars need to work for everyone, not just the elite fortunate ones with heated garages that thinks the world works the same for everyone as them.
@@markmonroe7330 again, you’re just a little misinformed here. Electric cars do not lose a huge portion of the range in the cold. In fact, modern Teslas lose about 10% of range, I have 330 miles of range so that would bring me down to about 300, no big deal. You don’t need any special equipment to rescue a electric car with a dead battery, you can basically go out to it with another electric car and charge from car to car for 15 minutes or whatever it takes to get them to a charger somewhere. You do not need a heated garage to charge at home. You just need a charger at home, for that matter, you only actually need a dryer plug. I will concede that If you do not have a provision to charge it at home or at work is inconvenient at this point. You are right that it is a significant percentage of people who do not have the ability to charge at home, however, it is a minority of people. so many people have objections to electric vehicles that are just based on misinformation. There are some challenges still, but they are not by any stretch insurmountable. My original point to this response was that economically it’s much more expensive to make a plug-in hybrid than it is to make a straight electric car or a straight gas car. Plug-in hybrids do not make sense, except as a mental crutch for people who have been bombarded with misinformation, like the Chicago situation. It’s not that the Chicago situation was not an issue, it’s that the Chicago situation made people like you think that electric cars are impractical in the winter when they are not. For Tesla stuck at a charging station that day, there were probably 300 gas cars stuck with dead batteries. You read that story and thought to yourself electric cars don’t work well in the cold.
We have a 2022 Hyundai Santa Fe plug in. It’s a good car but I wish it had a bigger electric motor or a second electric motor. We usually get about 34 miles on a charge in the city but you have to be light on the throttle. You are not doing a 0-60 in EV mode.
Thank you so much I hope woman is proud of you You've been doing great but I think this is my favorite of all of your videos of yours. I'm sure that I'm biased because of the topic in your conclusions but honestly it just came through that you were really personally involved in this one I'm a genuine volt owner and I've come to the same conclusions and have not been interested in the full battery car I happen to drive 33,000 to 52,000 mi per year, Just in that car in about 100,000 total across four cars. Anyway to the purpose of the vote my engine oil changes running 50% battery 50% gas I have charging at home and charging at work almost everyday and my commute is about 44 mi each way. You can give them my extremely heavy use and exceeding the gas range each day almost always unless it's a warm summer day My oil change interval is every 22,000 mi. Therefore it's something in the area of 8 to 9 months before even I have to change my oil change my drive three to six times more than like the national average and some people who don't drive much. The main point of that is that this thing about gas car portions of the PHEB needing so much maintenance are kind of excuses The fact that the engine doesn't run very often extends the oil change extremely long and by the way my car has 165,000 mi is perfectly fine. I hear people say transmission fluid changes is just gear oil in a gearbox is direct mesh gears extremely extremely reliable probably will never need any service or fixing. It's all happens that PHUVs are my decided conclusion after 5 years of living with this stuff and actually dealing with it and looking for charging stations even pretending that I had a bigger battery car that would need charging stations I'm always mindful of it and I'm never find it convenient enough I always want gasoline at some point and never have to worry about range but I get the benefit of the car that drives and acts electric and freeze me from range anxiety or giving me all the benefits of an electric car when I need it which is most of the time and on the freeway I can't tell anyway. Also look into videos that describe exactly what I've calculated myself it's effectively very selfish to have a giant battery car when in fact let's say 100 kW battery could be ahead across 6 to 20 PHEVS. or even 50 OR more hybrids and those vehicles were collectively say much more gas much more CO2 much more everything that you don't want out in the world with a little gas burned across a whole lot of vehicles being far far more efficient in using regenerative braking than it is for one person to hog up so much battery it's okay you can spend your money and buy what you want but the reality is it's actually being kind of greedy or, let's call it headonistic.
So this is basically a Chevy Volt in a SUV body. Volt was a good idea but after owning one for a year I was not happy with the performance as it was a good car while running on battery, meaning around town. When it used the gas engine it was not good especially on the freeway (33mpg) as a lot of gas vehicles got better mpg.
No! I am really not! PHEVs would be a good solution in the transition to electrification only if they were engineered as EVs, with an oboard engine working only as generator at max efficiency, and with at least 50 miles of EV range. And ideally, engineered to be easily converted to full EV in the future. But, there is basically no PHEV like that on the market. other than the coming ram ev, which by the specs looks likely a rather inefficient implementation of a sound concept. The previous outlander PHEV gen was a good case, just needing an upgrade, but of course instead they ditched it for a more conventional scheme. BTW, it is rated at 63mpge in electric, the lightning 70mpge, the R1S 78mpge
I love these new PHEVs but they are almost all SUVs or crossovers, which is a deal breaker for me. If the new Prius was out several years ago when I got my Nissan Leaf I probably would have went with the Prius instead. The Leaf is great and (surprisingly) has a lot of character but you don't get a car for the character you get it for how coinvent it makes your life.
First of all, I would never buy a Mitsubishi. Second, how could you not understand a plug-in hybrid? It's what every vehicle should be nowadays. You have battery power to commute around town and gas for longer trips. Plus when the battery gets to a certain level, the vehicle switches over to a hybrid so you're still able to save gas. Plus you don't have the long wait time to charge up the battery when you're on the go. You plug it in when it's convenient for you. Volvo, Toyota, and Jeep make some of the best plug-in hybrids. In my opinion, EVs are not ready yet. They take too long to charge and the range on the majority of them is not great. Overall, as a country, we could save more gas if everybody had a plug-in hybrid.
Personally, I'm in the 'No to Hybrids' camp because of the added complexity long-term. My Tesla is great for 98% of my driving and long distance driving is always a pain in any type of car, gas or electric. For a gas car ear plugs help reduce fatigue on long trips. Electric takes longer AND it's not as tiring.
@@AkioWasRight Right Akio. The cheap orange foam versions used in factories. Cuts the low end sound while still allowing you to hear conversation, music and emergency vehicles. After a long day of driving I'm less tired. Take them out during fuel stops or your ears get sore.
@user-np4fn4kr9h Model 3 smokes a Prius. But if you like driving that level of performance they can be long-lasting. Especially if you ride a bike locally.
@@eb1888. Unless it's old or broken, your vehicle should not be anywhere that loud. Besides, it's unsafe if not illegal to use any kind ear covering or plugs. Even if you can "hear", it's extremely unsafe and reduces the time/distance you have to hear people honking or emergency vehicles.
@@AkioWasRight hearing is adequate and a low to mid level vehicle becomes quieter than a high-end one. I use this convenience only for long trips 600+ miles to allow longer driving before becoming too tired. You have a lack of experience. Your opinion has no practical foundation or value.
GREAT review!! Welcome to Canada! I own a PHEV and would like to see more in-depth videos like this one solely dedicated to PHEV's. Maybe consider a channel TFLPHEV?
What about the fact that PHEVs are more likely to catch fire than gas-powered cars and electric cars COMBINED? I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING how people use that argument against BEVs, even though they're statistically THE LEAST LIKELY to catch fire, while hybrids are practically Pinto's by comparison. I prefer cars and not BARBEQUES that seat five.
I had an ‘83 Cordia that had so many unique features, including what could have been called an 8 speed manual transmission. iIt’s amazing they didn’t take over the auto industry. Come too think of it, it was probably that transmission that killed the car😂
I had one of these and it wasn't great. The efficiency in EV mode was bad. The efficiency in gas mode was bad. The lane centering was horrible. The leather felt like hard vinyl. Luckily it was totalled a few months in and I got a do over and went back to a full EV. Oh and it charged slow as hell so once you used your 30 miles of EV range that was it for the day until you had another ten hours to charge it up on a lvl 2.
Mitsubishi is almost gone in the US. They’re pretty irrelevant. Dealer network is tiny and no one other than a dealer will work on those hybrids. Good luck keeping that after the warranty is up especially if you are buying it second hand where the 10 year warranty does not transfer.
The Outlander was the first AWD PHEV in the US by like 3 whole years. Before the Rav4 Prime. Just like how the Leaf beat most every EV to the market. The Nissan/Mitsubishi group knows how to innovate, just wish they were managed better.
Go rent a Willy's 4xe, the closest thing to vehicle perfection I've driven. Will be interesting to see how the RamCharger turns out and if they can put it in the wagoneer
Nothing wrong with a decent PHEV, this one has the benefit of having a very simple engine that's been around a while so will be simple/cheap to have worked on should anything go wrong.
I think if I was to do a lot of traveling, a plugin hybrid is the way to go. You get almost twice the range as an EV counterpart and no range anxiety. I had my Volt for 4 years and only had 4,000 miles on it... and keeping up maintenance was killing me so I got a Model 3, it lacked space so 6 months later I switched to a Model Y. But I have a garage and it's easy to charge. If I had a lot of traveling to do, Volt would be my main car still.
You're not wrong. Most PHEVs don't have the electric motor sized for full power. When I drove a PHEV and knew I needed to get onto a highway ramp or wanted full power available I would push a button to switch it to hybrid mode with the engine running.
I'd say we are about to see a ton of Ultium based PHEVs. With GM backpedalling on their commitment to an EV future and all these Ultium batteries being cranked out, prepare for plug in everything from GM.
I have a Volt, Bolt, and RAV 4 Prime. If Chevy started offering hybrid/PHEV versions of many of their models, they would sell well. My Volt has been an excellent vehicle for 10 years, in over 100k miles I’ve had one repair. Everything else has been regular maintenance. The Bolt is also a nice ride but its slower DC charging and lack of AWD put it behind other EV offerings. These don’t matter much to me, especially at the Bolt price point after incentives. I got it mainly for commuting and local driving, it is excellent at that.
PHEV's are peak for what infrastructure we have now. We have shit EV chargers and a ton of gas stations. This Outlander is excellent especially in Colorado cus of Mitsubishis S-Awc.
I was in a Mitsubishi dealer the other day. In the 90 minutes I was there, I could audibly hear the Outlander’s resale values falling.
AND YOU WILL LOUDLY, CLEARLY AND EXPLODINGLY HEAR ME, I WILL BUY A FULLY LOADED 2024 MITSUBISHI OUTLANDER PHEV ANYWAY!!!!
Buy the car you want to drive for the next 10 years and you don't have to worry about resale. Poor people only care about resale because of their habits changing vehicles every 2-3 years.
Well if you are buying a car to just to sell it in 3-4 yrs you are making the wrong investments. Cars are a horrible investment. I say if you are buying and know you plan on selling before 5 years, consider a lease.
Cars are rarely ever an investment.
@@gmendez694Depreciating asset !!!
Welcome to Canada! Here in the Great White North (Ontario), we can NEVER own a car that can leave you stranded. My ICE used 34 tanks of gas per year, then my Hybrid used 24 tanks, and now my Plug-in Hybrid uses only 3 tanks (charging at home and at work). It took 17 months of gas savings to break even with the full cost of my transition from Hybrid to plug-in Hybrid - including installation of a 240V garage plug. Running a paltry three tanks of gas per year through an engine implies an insanely long lasting vehicle. None of these vehicles would cause range anxiety traveling anywhere in Ontario. I envision that everybody in this province should own a plug-in if their daily commute is fully or substantially electrified. I would only recommend a BEV if that is not possible, BUT ONLY if they also own a regular Hybrid for trips where virtually no chargers exist - that scarcity just isn't getting fixed fast enough. Can't recommend ICE to anyone except the first-time car buyer while they gather the cash for a used plug-in.
We've been all electric for over 3 yrs and love it. EVs are fast and fun to drive while needing almost no maintenance.
Fast chargers cover the major highways but are also increasingly common along smaller roads as well.
For the odd trip where there are currently no chargers, you could always rent, Turo or borrow another car. In my case this never happens. I suspect quite a few ppl are in the same boat.
So overall definitely don't think most ppl need a PHEV or a hybrid.
Yep exactly, plus the fact you can build three to four PHEVs for every one BEV and they will run 95% of the time on the battery for nearly everyone who can charge daily. I probably go through two or three tanks myself a year that's less than 25 liters of fuel a year, no reason for me to hoard batteries. We don't have enough battery factories and mines running right now for every single new car buyer in the world to purchase a BEV without being on a waiting list years long.
I have been driving my 21 Prime for 3 years so far and I still enjoy driving it. It’s a great EV around town and an efficient hybrid for long trips. Every car has advantages and disadvantages, just pick whatever works best for you.
I've been driving a Chevy Volt for 5 years. People seem puzzled that I have a vehicle with only 50 miles of electric range. But it works for my family. Take kids to school in the morning- Charge it back up in time to go to work. Charging at home is the key. Pure electric mode over 90% of the time. I go for months (REALLY MONTHS) without adding gasoline. When I do add gas, I only put 3 gallons so I don't have old gas in the tank after a year.
I picked up my outlander PHEV 2 weeks ago and is my first "electric "experience. I can honestly say I am so happy with the whole setup! First tank of gas I did just over 1300kms, which included about 300kms of highway (plus some playing around with charge mode and very quick acceleration) My daily commute to work uses next to zero gas (only kicks in if someone left the HVAC on high on the last drive and it's -10c in Canada where I am) over about the first 800kms the computer said I averaged 2.4 liters per 100kms , full charge at home level 1 costs me about $2 however I've always had some battery left at the end of my day thanks to that innovative pedel which I love! for comparison I came from a Pacifica and that 1300kms would have been about 2.5 ish tanks of fuel for sure, In Canada that would be about $280, I may be a tenth that in hydro charging.
A huge issue that people don't seem to realize, is the longevity of an engine and muffler that is NEVER used for commuting, and only for distance trips. Shortly after getting home from work I've got a fully charged battery for evening trips! I swear there's a bird's nest in my muffler. I went from 34 tanks of gas to only 3 per year and that includes occasionally running the gas engine purposely to keep it healthy.
That's not true for all PHEVs. Some PHEVs run the ICE engine just for that purpose of clearing out the engine's lungs. Every XX or so miles, the engine will just run, whether it needs it or not.
Also if you throw it into a combined short of mode. U can run the motor most of the time and get like 80mpg or so. You'll just have to charge that battery at home daily.
I think this is why the Ramcharger is going to do so good. It's the first "EV" that you could reliably drive from Colorado to Alaska. If you *really* wanted to do it on all electricity, you could charge every 100 miles (lol), OR you could just send it in 600 mile stretches with gas. Really, really cool.
More safe in cold environment to go on journey
Two points of caution: 1. If you own a PHEV, make sure you drive in gas mode periodically and still do all of the recommended maintenance, like oil changes. Otherwise, the gas engine could seize like if you left an ICE car sitting for months. 2. Consumer Reports says that many PHEVs are not very reliable with the exception of Toyota/Lexus. I do not know what they say about the reliability of this PHEV.
Most PHEVs are rarely charged. Based on most studies. So of course oil changes should not be neglected.
And reliability is more of a factor of what type of hybrid/PHEV is it? Does it use a planetary gear setup or multi-speed gearbox? The former is simpler and has less parts and tends to be much more reliable. Which is the most common Toyota/Lexus PHEV.
@@jpquebec123 Not true.
Go and leave an ICE car for months without using the engine, and it can seize up. ICE engines require moving parts to be properly lubricated. When they are not used, the lubrication from the oil will eventually wear off. Once that happens, you get friction from metal contacting metal, which can lead to very costly engine rebuilds. Other problems include possible condensation weakening fluids over time, as well as contaminants in fluids settling over time, causing problems.
Google search "leaving a car unused for months".
Not sure about other PHEV's but GM got it right with engine maintenance mode and fuel maintenance mode on the Volt. A vehicle ahead of its time, and gone too soon!
It’s a good PHEV and one of the best sellers globally. The dummies in the comments hating on it have no clue what they’re talking about.
It's good, if you like horrendously poor efficiency.
@@nc3826 Lugging around a 100kWh battery is horrendously poor efficiency.
@@nc3826Poor efficiency in what? It could do all EV or ice hybrid. EVs are inefficient.
The topic is 'only' about the posted PHEV relative to other PHEVs....
Have fun going down your pointless rabbit holes
@@nc3826Give me stats comparing this with other PHEVs to back your arrogant statement or you’re the one going down a pointless rabbit hole.
I've owned a PHEV for nearly two years. I've learned to NEVER explain the math to EV owners, because every single time they end up seeing they should have done the math regarding how they use their car before purchasing a super expensive BEV. I console them by saying thank you for being an early BEV adopter, making it more logical to buy BEV's as prices come down and chargers become more prevalent.
I think my 2017 Chevy Volt still has everyone beat with 50+ miles of Ev range in the summer. It will be great once the plug in hybrids get 125 + EV range.
It's crazy to me to think that NOBODY has a PHEV on the market that comes close in range to the Gen 2 Volt. I've been driving my 2016 Volt for 8 years and 167k miles and nothing else out there has a drivetrain that can compete.
GM gave up on PHEV's way too soon, and I'm anxious to see what they come up with in their return to the market. An Equinox or Blazer PHEV with a 60-75 mile EV range would be fantastic.
Tommy, you nailed it. PHEVs make real-world.sense if you don't want to (or can't) have one city and one travel vehicle. As you noted there are are.plenty of purely economic or environmental arguments against them but they are a very practical (jack-of-all-trades) solution that is right for many.
As someone who has a bunch of old ICE cars, and likes EVs... PHEV's make a lot of sense on paper, but I don't think I could buy one. Ignoring all the Pros and Cons of a PHEV, there's one big thing that makes me dislike them: People don't plug them in. I can't tell you how many people I know with Wrangler 4xE's that didn't even know you could plug them in, and just bought them because of the price after rebates, or know you can plug them in and choose not to because "it only goes like 20 miles anyway". Or, I've come across several Volts at auction with the lifetime MPG readout being in the high 20's, with almost no charge cycles on the battery, because someone bought it for the rebates/incentives, and treated it like a hybrid and never plugged it in. IMHO PHEV's should be similar to something like a BMW i3 REx, where they're EV first, and a gas engine to get you home or somewhere on a longer trip, especially if no charging is available... just maybe give it a little larger engine than the i3 and a bit more battery buffer.
Also, a lot of PHEVs are kinda half-assed. Either the range isn't usable (like a lot of the sub 15 or 20 mile ones on the market), the electric motor isn't that large so they're slow, they kick on the engine if you push on the pedal too much, or they have the electric motor in the bellhousing so you can feel it shift through the gears even in EV mode.
That's just insane to me. Most people are just bad with money. Especially people that are financing Jeeps and buying rubber ducks to put on the dash
@@thedopplereffect00 I wouldn't say they're bad with money, like I said, I know a lot of people with Wrangler 4xEs specifically because they are/were the cheapest way to get a non-base wrangler because they're made in America and the battery is large enough to qualify for rebates/incentives. So they get them because of the price not even knowing/caring about the PHEV part
@@Black-Villain but if they plugged them in every night they could save like $1000/year on gas. I'd call that pretty bad with money. That's the same as paying $100/month on subscriptions you don't use.
@@thedopplereffect00 Oh I agree, but you know how people are. The German government recently did a study on PHEV owners because they're also having the same epidemic of people and fleets buying them up for tax incentives and rebates, and not plugging them in. Wouldn't surprise me if some software lockouts pop up to force people to plug them in every once in a while
I think PHEVs are great. I see them as stepping stone for people to love and appreciate being on electric only. I had a Ford CMax for 6 years before getting battery only EV. I think most people after getting used to driving electric only will likely keep a fully ICE car and a battery only car for most of their commuting and local travel.
The PHEV market is actually pretty exciting right now, lots of fun performance oriented models coming to market. Plus if you have a shorter commute with chargers at work you can literally spend all week on electric and only need gas on long weekend trips!
The problem is 'most' PHEVs i rarely charged.
@@nc3826then they wasted their money paying extra for a feature they don't use? I guess some people are just dumb
@@thedopplereffect00 a RUclips expert that assumes that, is the 'dumb' one...
they logically do it, since it adds performance and they get a tax credit.... so it's often the least expensive option...
@@nc3826 This is why government needs to get out of the picture. People make irrational decisions to take advantage of the free money
@@thedopplereffect00 why do RUclips experts always try to change the subject when They're proven wrong ?
We bought a 2023 Outlander PHEV SEL Premium. Was used with 13k miles, but like new condition. Paid $38k. Don't think would have paid $51k for new. I don't think the one you are reviewing is the SEL Premium, but an SEL with Touring which is less than $51k. We love the car. For 90% or more of our driving will be all electric. Several 200 mile trips a month and couple trips a year of 1,600 miles. The ride and tech is also fantastic. The 3rd row would, and could be, used for a couple of our grandkids. I installed a level 2 in our garage for about $350 for charger and materials. I am very happy with this car and the PHEV concept
The original Chevrolet Volt had an EV range of 50 or at least my 2015 did. Best technology out there with an electric drive motor with a small gas generator. But totally ruined by a godawful iPod styled center console stack which drove me nuts. Drove and handled great. Got at least 42 mpg, great styling and was fun to drive. The designer and management that approved that center stack should be barred from the auto business forever. 🤬
PHEV concept is fantastic. I'd love to drive 20miles on electric. Most of my trips are less than 20 miles. However I'm a condo owner. There's zero chance of getting this older building retro fitted. Lucky for me I have a newer gas only Camry. 30mpg in town costs me cents on the dollar compared to a $52,000 phev.
For somebody who really wants a PHEV there are less costly and more efficient options. But most are purchased for performance and the tax credit anyway.
IMO a PHEV is really the way to go, especially if you only have 1 vehicle. My wife could do 90% of her driving just using electricity and only use gas when leaving town. Also, range anxiety is not a factor.
As someone who lives in Minnesota the ev tech isn't there yet to have a quality range in below zero temperatures so I'd say PHEV is the way to go from my pov as well.
Would love to have a RAV4 prime. People love them.
70k on mine so far and no complaints
Loved my 2021 and loving my 2023. Best of both worlds even when I’m out of charge.
Long waiting lists for them
Hate is not about EVs, it’s the government trying to force it on the public. A lot of people want that technology but like me many are waiting for the infrastructure to be better and more efficient. Also waiting for the driving ranges to be improved as well as more vehicle choices.
An ICE is lighter than a long range battery, yet E-Vangelist complain about lugging around excess weight.
Plug in Hybrids are the only type of EV I would consider. Benefits of short trip EV and long trips not having to charge forever.
You want a hybrid. Those you don't charge. Plugins mean you should pluggin. That's the point. Just by a gas engine
@@ChicagoBob123 no, a plugin hybrid is what I want. I want to be able to plug it in to charge. I see no point to a hybrid. They are more expensive and aren’t much more efficient, if at all. I make occasional long trips, but several short trips. I would only need to fill up on the long trips.
No one hates Outlander; we hate the brand for ruining it, not offering the cool cars they once did and then using names like Eclipse in a Crossover confusing buyers.
AND I WILL BUY A FULLY LOADED 2024 OUTLANDER PHEV ANYWAY!
@@RichardJoashTan Outlander is a good vehicle, Mitsubishi has ruined their own name. You can offer both family vehicles and fun vehicles.
I’m an EV guy, and PHEVs definitely have a use case. I have a full EV and my wife has a PHEV. Both of us charge at a level 2 charger in our garage. Our whole family burns about 5-10 tanks of gas per year and we can still easily road trip to see family 3 states away
You make good points. There are a variety of power options throughout the market, just as there is a variety of vehicle types. We pick the types that suit our needs. If you live in a remote area and/ or do big miles, electric is not for you. Neither is a small car. We pick the car that suits us.
People that hate on the PHEV are the same people that don't understand why anyone would want an AWD or part time 4WD. Why lug around stuff that you don't need? 1 or the other right? Why have all that extra weight and components to drive a vehicle around that requires more maintenance and repairs? Open your minds up to the explanations. Small examples are, not everyone has space for more than 1 vehicle. Or wants the costs of 2 vehicles to insure and maintain. Same goes for a PHEV.
I am sold on the idea since the majority of my commute is around town. However I have replaced the motor and transmission in my beater family SUV and still have no car payment which ultimately fits my situation. No hate to those that can afford these cool new things.
Absolutely loved my 2018 and 2021 Pacifica (plug-in) Hybrid that I owned for a combined total of almost five years with no problems. I didn't really need the space anymore with the family growing up, and didn't like the thought of owning a Chrysler outside of (and even inside of) warranty, so I switched to a MYLR, but wouldn't hesitate to own another PHEV in general. It is too bad that Chrysler never truly addressed the transmission harness problem with the exception of extending the warranty (and being without your car for an extended period of time).
I have been a fan of PHEVs for years. They do make a lot of sense for many people. The radicals on either side won't be convinced., but they can provide a huge savings on fuel consumption more many people BUT you have to plug it in, as you said, at work or at home and use that electricity. There are many fine PHEV's out there and the Outlander is . . . .
. . . . Well, is the Mitsubishi the best PHEV out there. No. Mitsubishi does has a somewhat deserved reputation of makings hmmm 'odd looking' cars and a reputation for being unreliable.
Keep up the dialog, Tommy! I hope to see one of the other PHEV's in a review soon.
Not me, I will buy a fully loaded 2024 Outlander PHEV.
gas mileage sucks
I Have a 22 Hyundai Santa Fe Plug in Hybrid. Love the car. Good on electric 31 miles and great on gas about 34 mpg. MPGe average is about 85. Comfortable, spacious and fun to drive
I kind of liked the idea of a plug in hybrid at first, but I think the maintenance and repairs would be a nightmare long term. You have to deal with all the normal engine stuff, but also all the battery stuff as well. In that sense its the worst of both worlds. The only big downside on full electric is road trips, but I take 1 or 2 a year, I think an electric car makes more sense. Worst case I'd rent a gas car if I needed it.
Depending on your commute, the gas engine is hardly used. You can go 40,000 miles between oil changes so I wouldn't call it the "normal engine stuff". You do have all the engine parts and they do require maintenance at some point but far less than normal. It's like having a gas car that sits in the garage and is only used for long trips except it's not a separate car. Around town it's just an electric car but then on long trips it's a gas car. Kind of the best of both worlds.
50k for a mitsubishi.. Buy a rav4 prime
PHEV makes a lot of sense because the two technologies complement each other. EV are efficient at accelerating, and gasoline is so much more energy dense than even batteries in five years.
As cold as it gets in Canada, short trips are murder for ICE. EV range for short trips is perfect, while gas is great for long trips. I don't want to refuel when it's -20C (-4F), nevermind charging for 20+ minutes. The model Y has a 1700 lb battery that costs $21,000 USD. The PHEV uses a 250 lb battery, at only $2,000. You can also charge a PHEV at home with level 1 charger, and it's easier to stay within 20-80% SOC which extends battery life.
I can buy an electric car today. Thats not the case with a PHEV. Tyota will laugh you out of the dealership. You could be waiting up to a year for an R4 Prime and when the dealer gets one its first come, first serve, so a buyer will need to drop what they’re doing, head to the dealer, and expect to be unable to negotiate price because there are a bazillion other people waiting, that the dealer has also called. Furthermore, Teslas are cheaper than a R4 Prime, be it a model 3 or even Y (which is what I own now because Tyota is utterly unprepared for the market).
All untrue. My good friend just bought a fully loaded 2024 Rav4 Prime. They are all over the country in whatever color or trim level you want. The hybrid (non-plug in) version is also very, very good and they are available all over as well. My friend even paid under sticker with no markup or dealer added crap. I would take a Rav4 Prime over any Tesla being made today, hands down.
@@markmonroe7330 negative. I bought my tesla 7 months ago after after Toyota telling me there was no hope for a R4-Prime. Unless they’ve made a massive turn around in production since then, i’d say your friend is a special case. -- West coast over here, what part of the country are you guys in?
@@poweredbyalpaca6362 They are readily available from Central to East coast even on dealer lots to be test driven with many priced under MSRP. They are all over but the highest density is NJ and NY.
Tommy makes some good points for PHEVs. I bought an early 2011 Chevy Volt and loved it. More affordable than a Tesla and I could drive electric to and from work. However, the two powertrains did leave less space for passengers and cargo. It was enough for me, but EVs provide more space and no engine maintenance. When I bought an early 2018 Model 3 it was a huge upgrade in every respect. Tommy may have wanted to road trip faster, but I road trip at 500-650 miles/day and have no problem stopping every 2-3 hours for 15-45 min.
Today, the Model Y is such a better car than the Outlander PHEV, with more space, faster, no engine maintenance, easy 600 mi/day road trips with superchargers. On top of that the Model Y costs less AND also has addtional $7500 instant federal tax credit. With EV providing more car for less money, it is hard to see a reason to buy a PHEV.
This is nothing but a Mitsubishi advertisement. I love TFL but not those types of videos.
On my 2nd phev. They make a ton of sense. You're right about the ev side has been no maintenance. And the engine has about 50% less. Down side is a an extra tax by my state, $90/year.
I'm not against hybrids BUT I know lots of people here in the SoCal area with PHEVs. I'm the only one who ever plugged mine in. Everyone else just does it for the carpool stickers and parking spaces.
PHEVs could be great if they were done correctly but they often aren't done right. PHEVs should have batteries sized to about 30KWh or about 100 miles of range (all are undersized), adaptive suspension (most don't have suspensions built to handle the increased weight of the batteries), decent HP electric engine (maybe around 125 HP minimum), Liquid cooled battery (with DC Fast charging), a heat pump heating/cooling system that allows for preconditioning of the interior while it is plugged in, and a pure EV mode. Closest you can get to this is the RAV4 Prime. Would love to see PHEVs released some day with Solar built into the roof and Propane Auto gas as their ICE component as Propane never goes bad but that is certainly a pipe dream.
Tommy, please stop moving the camera in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out and…….
I think he was quite literally freezing. And hence the constant movement
Battery technology is still in the dark ages. I am not willing to risk the obsolescence which is imminent, as solid state becomes viable.
Dark ages, what? That makes no sense. Solid state batteries have been around the corner for over a decade. Just look at all the press releases from Toyota about their solid state battery being ready soon, and then soon, then soon, and so on. They have been saying that since 2011 I think was their first press release. Some say the solid state dream will always remain that. Good in the lab, not in volume production.
With that said, other battery tech has moved forward and the current gen of LFP batteries is miles ahead of the hold batteries made for over fifty years. Now there are batteries using a sodium mix that are in production. I think battery tech is changing quickly, but what is out is generally very good. This is becoming like mobile phones where the pace of change is rapid. I doubt my 2023 Model 3 will a problem to keep driving through 2035 or later. Odds are I will upgrade in 2030 just because I do enjoy technology.
Solid state batteries are just around the corner like fusion energy is just around the corner.
My biggest issue with the Outlander is that In hybrid mode it doesn't seem especially frugal.
I drive a Niro PHEV and in Hybrid it's pretty impressive.
Which doesn't matter if 90% of your driving is electric
You are comparing a larger AWD and a smaller FWD vehicles.
Plus, in Outlander PHEV the trick to improve efficiency when in hybrid is to put the car in the SAVE mode when the battery is around 3/4 full. My 2019 PHEV's ICE consumption is rated at 25 mpg, but I average around 33-35 when operating my car as a hybrid.
@@unitedwestand56 noted, I was watching a direct comparison between the gas and PHEV Outlander and, as it had the same engine I was surprised that the engine just running to power the electric motors was no more frugal than the gas model. It just seems like, as a generator for the battery/motors for most of its operation it would have less load on it compared to driving the wheels and thus would consume less gas.
I've loved plug-in hybrids ever since Jeep introduced the Wrangler 4xe. I was thrilled about having an ability to get the best of both worlds in one vehicle. Than I started paying even more attention towards the Outlander PHEV, which I've always approved of, but wasn't particularly interested in. Now I'm thinking about buying a used 2015-ish Outlander PHEV as my first car instead of my long dream car X164 GL 320 CDI Offroad Pro. Maybe I'll get both one after another.
Note that the older versions have smaller batteries
@@SueC56 my country looks huge on the map, but in reality we don't usually have long commute. 12 kWh must be enough for like 20-ish miles. And to me personally a car is a thing of passion, not just daily transportation. We have good public transport here, I would probably not drive to work anyway. I'll use my Outlander for grocery shopping and fun weekend trips. I basically don't need a car, I just want one.
For me PHEV is a permanent solution till EVs are cheap and have 500 miles range and charging times are 15 to 20 minutes can handle load and long road commutes better.
I am waiting for a gas car that gets 100 mpg and that I can gas up in my garage.
Two years ago we wanted a RAV4 Prime for the reasons most people consider a plug in hybrid. Could not find one and we bought an Ioniq 5 instead. I know there are excellent use cases for a PHEV but we’re very happy with the BEV option. I still wonder why Toyota only offers two PHEV models.
What you are missing is in some countries corporations provide employees a fleet car for their daily commute plus a gas card. Resulting in no incentive to plug in at home. Just use the corporate gas card.
Honda Clarity 5 years no problems at all, take it on drives from So. California to Mammoth Lakes Ski Resort area often, the engine gets loud going up steep grades and handles it fine. Hate not having a spare tire now a days that seems to be normal. The car is a little quirky but I bought it to save money on gas and after 5 years it has greatly exceded my expectations, Honda’s just work and the company’s 1 try at a PHEV was pretty damn good.
I looked at one of these when they first came out. Was not initially a fan of the front end look, but it’s grown on me a bit. So it’s more acceptable to me now. But I was somewhat put off by the interior. By making it a 3 row suv, it’s too cramped overall in the back. And they did not offer a two row version. So for me, it’s a pass. Maybe I would re consider if they made a 2 row version and moved the rear seat back and down about 2 or 3 inches.
I have a Ram Promaster City SLT wagon, it’s the van with a 2nd row seat. I really like the size of the rear cargo area and the usefulness of the rear seat for semi occasional rear passenger use. The tumble fold feature of the rear seat allows for a larger flat floor area when I need it. It suits me well. The Mitsubishi Outlander has a way way nicer interior and drive train configuration. But still using the obsolete CHAdeMO charge standard instead of the Tesla/NACS standard is a fatal flaw for me currently.
Thanks!
Great perspective. One size does not fit all. This is a good option for many I believe.
Until we build out the infrastructure to support EVs (more charging stations) I think the PHEV is a solid choice for most people. But really, we’re closer than people will admit. Range anxiety is like most anxiety - irrational; the vast majority of drivers are NOT driving 400 miles every day. A PHEV’s 20-mile range means I’d likely use gas once or twice a YEAR.
Your argument about electric cars is 0 maintenance. But your argument against plug in hybrids is they requires maintenance to the electric motor. Cmon tommy starting this off super 1 sided.
6:45 “goofy hat” why would you disrespect the toque like that? clean your mouth with soap, eh
Hi Tommy,
You sold me. The PHEV IS the “North American Electric Vehicle Standard” (NAEVS r).
The majority of people coming from a gas burner that want to road trip even occasionally will accept a PHEV but are UNLIKELY likely to KEEP an EV long-term until battery tech makes ALL EVs able to rapid charge 200 miles in 10 min and DCFC’s are at EVERY refueling plaza (‘equity with gas’). I’d go one further on your comment about charging, a PHEV needs HOME charging, AT 7+ kWh to be really used. To REALLY get them used in EV mode, charging HAS to be drop-dead easy to access.
So let’s get reserved/logo status for the North American Electric Vehicle Standard!!!
A combination standard of at least: a. 40 miles electric, b. 7.2 kWh AC charging, c. 75 kWh J3400 DCFC, d. 450 miles gas range and e. Include portable 7.2 kWh 240 EVSE for home charging. If we can recruit a block of politicians, GET a tax credit to cover the full cost of installing a 40A (run at 32) AC line for home charging.
NAEVS. If T can make NACS a thing, we make NAEVS a ‘standard’ for the vehicle industry to latch onto and use to get electric-drive capable vehicles in use while preserving ease of long distance travel and ENDING “range / charge anxiety”.
Let me start by saying I do own a full EV however I live in the ideal situation where owning a full on EV is extremely easy. I have an attached garage & my electrical box is in my garage.
However I’m from Chicago where most of the neighborhoods are older prewar or were developed just after WWII. This means they don’t have attached garages where you can easily run a line to a level two charger. Also, it’s extremely rare to find driveways or parking next to your house so if you don’t have a garage you only have street parking. You’ll also fine this exact situation in most large cities in the Midwest & Northeast. I’m saying all of this to say that PHEVs (and regular hybrids) can actually do more to help the environment & have far greater reach because millions more people in cities like Chicago or NYC alone can have all electric driving for most if not all of their daily commutes as long as they have access to a 120 plug. It may not sound like a great distance but asking someone in Chicago traffic to go five miles (or more) to a DC fast charger can take 20 minutes one way depending on traffic so at minimum you are asking someone to take an extra hour out of their day which is unrealistic. PHEVs at least offer a realistic option for millions of people that full EVs don’t.
The problem is the battery size. If they give you 100 miles it would be great but the ram charger is a good setup. All big suv or minivan need this setup
People get like 60 miles from outlander phev on summer. That is plenty.
I've always like the plug in hybrid. See porches 918, gen 2 volt, and ct6 plugin.
The issue was the cost benefit ratio wasn't there, till recently.
Also, still can't plug ut in, so i still can't own one.
Seems like a nice ride. Price is competitive for what you get. Attractive looking to my eye. Good review TFL. Thank you.
We do not hate them because they are hybrids. We hate them because automakers do not make them correctly. They should be made with a battery large enough that you can get close to 100 miles per charge. The gas motor should only be used for most highway use. If you drive less than 100 miles per day, an EV is shown to be a better way to travel day to day if you can charge at home. Plus, most Phevs cost more or the same as most EVs.
I actually think plug-in hybrids are the way of the near future. They combine the advantages of both systems. And under the 2035 regulations, hybrids are perfectly fine. (Its not EV's only as some think).
Y’all need to do D to D in a plug in hybrid see how long it takes to charge or hybrid mode it fill up and gas
Who the heck has a chademo charger? I have never seen one in the wild.
a lot of Electrify America and EVgo still havw them.
@@gregpochet4812 I am a Tesla owner. I have only fast charged once at an Electrify America dispenser. Where I live their rates are 5x higher than my at home charger making it too expensive to seriously consider using often
They figured out long ago that diesel-electric was the way to get the most work out of a gallon of fuel. Until batteries are better, gas-electric is appealing to me.
I don’t hate unplugging hybrids. I’ve been driving an EV as my primary mode of transportation for 13 years.
Thank you Tommy.
For $52,000 I think I would prefer Toyota Sienna hybrid or RAV-4 hybrid or Tesla Y.
It would have been at the top of my list if not for the extreme cold starting issues and that my nearest dealer is 90 minutes away. Also rip that 3rd row out already and make use of those space for some nice extra cargo storage, please. The 3rd row is one big annoyance of this model.
I'm waiting to order my Ramcharger Hybrid. That's the way hybrids should be built. EV performance with the convenience of a gas truck when needed.
Range anxiety is a condition for people who don’t have experience with electric cars, plug-ins are just a sort of mental training wheel for folks who are nervous about range that they don’t need. As full electrics come up to scale plug-ins are just going to be a much more expensive option comparatively.
Completely ridiculous statement. Ask some Tesla driver how things went for them over the winter in Chicago. Range and charging are real issues for many, many people over the country, especially those without home ownership and in rural areas.
@@markmonroe7330 I drive a Tesla all winter long in the cold Pennsylvania weather with no issues. The Chicago issue was specific to people who could not charge at home and tried to take a frozen car to a charger without preconditioning the battery, further how many gasoline and diesel cars did not start that same morning Chicago? That simply doesn’t make the news. You heard a news report that led you to a false conclusion.
@@Creelyblades Bottom line, people had problems with their Tesla's, lots of them. Plenty of people all over the place seeing greatly reduced range on cars that are already short in the range department. Maybe some day AAA will have trucks with charging cables so they can bring the unfortunate some juice. A huge percentage of people do not own their homes and are not able to charge at home. Cars need to work for everyone, not just the elite fortunate ones with heated garages that thinks the world works the same for everyone as them.
@@markmonroe7330 again, you’re just a little misinformed here. Electric cars do not lose a huge portion of the range in the cold. In fact, modern Teslas lose about 10% of range, I have 330 miles of range so that would bring me down to about 300, no big deal. You don’t need any special equipment to rescue a electric car with a dead battery, you can basically go out to it with another electric car and charge from car to car for 15 minutes or whatever it takes to get them to a charger somewhere. You do not need a heated garage to charge at home. You just need a charger at home, for that matter, you only actually need a dryer plug. I will concede that If you do not have a provision to charge it at home or at work is inconvenient at this point. You are right that it is a significant percentage of people who do not have the ability to charge at home, however, it is a minority of people. so many people have objections to electric vehicles that are just based on misinformation. There are some challenges still, but they are not by any stretch insurmountable. My original point to this response was that economically it’s much more expensive to make a plug-in hybrid than it is to make a straight electric car or a straight gas car. Plug-in hybrids do not make sense, except as a mental crutch for people who have been bombarded with misinformation, like the Chicago situation. It’s not that the Chicago situation was not an issue, it’s that the Chicago situation made people like you think that electric cars are impractical in the winter when they are not. For Tesla stuck at a charging station that day, there were probably 300 gas cars stuck with dead batteries. You read that story and thought to yourself electric cars don’t work well in the cold.
We have a 2022 Hyundai Santa Fe plug in. It’s a good car but I wish it had a bigger electric motor or a second electric motor. We usually get about 34 miles on a charge in the city but you have to be light on the throttle. You are not doing a 0-60 in EV mode.
That's exactly what I am looking for, a hybrid vehicle. Thank you for this video!
Thank you so much I hope woman is proud of you You've been doing great but I think this is my favorite of all of your videos of yours. I'm sure that I'm biased because of the topic in your conclusions but honestly it just came through that you were really personally involved in this one I'm a genuine volt owner and I've come to the same conclusions and have not been interested in the full battery car I happen to drive 33,000 to 52,000 mi per year, Just in that car in about 100,000 total across four cars.
Anyway to the purpose of the vote my engine oil changes running 50% battery 50% gas I have charging at home and charging at work almost everyday and my commute is about 44 mi each way. You can give them my extremely heavy use and exceeding the gas range each day almost always unless it's a warm summer day My oil change interval is every 22,000 mi. Therefore it's something in the area of 8 to 9 months before even I have to change my oil change my drive three to six times more than like the national average and some people who don't drive much.
The main point of that is that this thing about gas car portions of the PHEB needing so much maintenance are kind of excuses The fact that the engine doesn't run very often extends the oil change extremely long and by the way my car has 165,000 mi is perfectly fine. I hear people say transmission fluid changes is just gear oil in a gearbox is direct mesh gears extremely extremely reliable probably will never need any service or fixing.
It's all happens that PHUVs are my decided conclusion after 5 years of living with this stuff and actually dealing with it and looking for charging stations even pretending that I had a bigger battery car that would need charging stations I'm always mindful of it and I'm never find it convenient enough I always want gasoline at some point and never have to worry about range but I get the benefit of the car that drives and acts electric and freeze me from range anxiety or giving me all the benefits of an electric car when I need it which is most of the time and on the freeway I can't tell anyway.
Also look into videos that describe exactly what I've calculated myself it's effectively very selfish to have a giant battery car when in fact let's say 100 kW battery could be ahead across 6 to 20 PHEVS. or even 50 OR more hybrids and those vehicles were collectively say much more gas much more CO2 much more everything that you don't want out in the world with a little gas burned across a whole lot of vehicles being far far more efficient in using regenerative braking than it is for one person to hog up so much battery it's okay you can spend your money and buy what you want but the reality is it's actually being kind of greedy or, let's call it headonistic.
So this is basically a Chevy Volt in a SUV body. Volt was a good idea but after owning one for a year I was not happy with the performance as it was a good car while running on battery, meaning around town. When it used the gas engine it was not good especially on the freeway (33mpg) as a lot of gas vehicles got better mpg.
No! I am really not!
PHEVs would be a good solution in the transition to electrification only if they were engineered as EVs, with an oboard engine working only as generator at max efficiency, and with at least 50 miles of EV range. And ideally, engineered to be easily converted to full EV in the future.
But, there is basically no PHEV like that on the market. other than the coming ram ev, which by the specs looks likely a rather inefficient implementation of a sound concept.
The previous outlander PHEV gen was a good case, just needing an upgrade, but of course instead they ditched it for a more conventional scheme.
BTW, it is rated at 63mpge in electric, the lightning 70mpge, the R1S 78mpge
I love these new PHEVs but they are almost all SUVs or crossovers, which is a deal breaker for me. If the new Prius was out several years ago when I got my Nissan Leaf I probably would have went with the Prius instead. The Leaf is great and (surprisingly) has a lot of character but you don't get a car for the character you get it for how coinvent it makes your life.
I'm in my sixth year in my 2018 Chevy Volt. Wish I had come to Tommy's conclusion even earlier...every car it's own purpose.
First of all, I would never buy a Mitsubishi. Second, how could you not understand a plug-in hybrid? It's what every vehicle should be nowadays. You have battery power to commute around town and gas for longer trips. Plus when the battery gets to a certain level, the vehicle switches over to a hybrid so you're still able to save gas. Plus you don't have the long wait time to charge up the battery when you're on the go. You plug it in when it's convenient for you. Volvo, Toyota, and Jeep make some of the best plug-in hybrids. In my opinion, EVs are not ready yet. They take too long to charge and the range on the majority of them is not great. Overall, as a country, we could save more gas if everybody had a plug-in hybrid.
Great review Tommy. FYI you have Canadian viewers too 😉
Personally, I'm in the 'No to Hybrids' camp because of the added complexity long-term. My Tesla is great for 98% of my driving and long distance driving is always a pain in any type of car, gas or electric. For a gas car ear plugs help reduce fatigue on long trips. Electric takes longer AND it's not as tiring.
Wearing earplugs, are you serious??
@@AkioWasRight Right Akio. The cheap orange foam versions used in factories. Cuts the low end sound while still allowing you to hear conversation, music and emergency vehicles. After a long day of driving I'm less tired. Take them out during fuel stops or your ears get sore.
@user-np4fn4kr9h Model 3 smokes a Prius. But if you like driving that level of performance they can be long-lasting. Especially if you ride a bike locally.
@@eb1888. Unless it's old or broken, your vehicle should not be anywhere that loud.
Besides, it's unsafe if not illegal to use any kind ear covering or plugs. Even if you can "hear", it's extremely unsafe and reduces the time/distance you have to hear people honking or emergency vehicles.
@@AkioWasRight hearing is adequate and a low to mid level vehicle becomes quieter than a high-end one. I use this convenience only for long trips 600+ miles to allow longer driving before becoming too tired. You have a lack of experience. Your opinion has no practical foundation or value.
GREAT review!! Welcome to Canada! I own a PHEV and would like to see more in-depth videos like this one solely dedicated to PHEV's. Maybe consider a channel TFLPHEV?
What about the fact that PHEVs are more likely to catch fire than gas-powered cars and electric cars COMBINED? I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING how people use that argument against BEVs, even though they're statistically THE LEAST LIKELY to catch fire, while hybrids are practically Pinto's by comparison. I prefer cars and not BARBEQUES that seat five.
I had an ‘83 Cordia that had so many unique features, including what could have been called an 8 speed manual transmission. iIt’s amazing they didn’t take over the auto industry. Come too think of it, it was probably that transmission that killed the car😂
I had one of these and it wasn't great. The efficiency in EV mode was bad. The efficiency in gas mode was bad. The lane centering was horrible. The leather felt like hard vinyl. Luckily it was totalled a few months in and I got a do over and went back to a full EV. Oh and it charged slow as hell so once you used your 30 miles of EV range that was it for the day until you had another ten hours to charge it up on a lvl 2.
Mitsubishi is almost gone in the US. They’re pretty irrelevant. Dealer network is tiny and no one other than a dealer will work on those hybrids. Good luck keeping that after the warranty is up especially if you are buying it second hand where the 10 year warranty does not transfer.
Maybe a location thing? I see Mitsubishis all the time. In the US.
@@garysarratt1not popular in New England.
@@mongo64071 To be fair, it’s the eclipses and some Outlanders most of the time.
The Outlander was the first AWD PHEV in the US by like 3 whole years. Before the Rav4 Prime. Just like how the Leaf beat most every EV to the market. The Nissan/Mitsubishi group knows how to innovate, just wish they were managed better.
Go rent a Willy's 4xe, the closest thing to vehicle perfection I've driven. Will be interesting to see how the RamCharger turns out and if they can put it in the wagoneer
Nothing wrong with a decent PHEV, this one has the benefit of having a very simple engine that's been around a while so will be simple/cheap to have worked on should anything go wrong.
Mitsubishi are extremely dependable and provide a confident driving experience.
I think if I was to do a lot of traveling, a plugin hybrid is the way to go. You get almost twice the range as an EV counterpart and no range anxiety. I had my Volt for 4 years and only had 4,000 miles on it... and keeping up maintenance was killing me so I got a Model 3, it lacked space so 6 months later I switched to a Model Y. But I have a garage and it's easy to charge.
If I had a lot of traveling to do, Volt would be my main car still.
My biggest problem with PHEV's is they are slow to accelerate in EV only mode, if that's not the case in this car then hats off to them.
When you stomp on the accelerator, the engine combines fires up, and that, with the motor, generates the car's full horsepower.
That's like using one leg, when you have two available.... No one should expect the same acceleration...
You're not wrong. Most PHEVs don't have the electric motor sized for full power. When I drove a PHEV and knew I needed to get onto a highway ramp or wanted full power available I would push a button to switch it to hybrid mode with the engine running.
Just curious, but does the PHEV system is similar to Nissan's e-Power??
Re watch around 5:50...
No, Nissan uses an extremely small battery so it doesn't work as a PHEV because the pure electric range is only a few miles.
I'd say we are about to see a ton of Ultium based PHEVs. With GM backpedalling on their commitment to an EV future and all these Ultium batteries being cranked out, prepare for plug in everything from GM.
I have a Volt, Bolt, and RAV 4 Prime. If Chevy started offering hybrid/PHEV versions of many of their models, they would sell well. My Volt has been an excellent vehicle for 10 years, in over 100k miles I’ve had one repair. Everything else has been regular maintenance.
The Bolt is also a nice ride but its slower DC charging and lack of AWD put it behind other EV offerings. These don’t matter much to me, especially at the Bolt price point after incentives. I got it mainly for commuting and local driving, it is excellent at that.
I love hybrids and hate ev
Battery doesn’t last as long since you do more recharge cycles in a hybrid. But, it is a good car for those afraid of EVs
10 year battery warranty. Can't really ask for more. However Toyota has double the mileage coverage in their 10y warranty.
I don't hate plug in hybrids. I thought the volt was great! But a Mitsubishi is a hell no from me!
It needed to be at least $10K cheaper and charge at 11 kW. The ridiculously slow maximum charging rate at home (AC) is a total deal breaker.
I charge my prime at 2.3kw and it is enough to charge full over night
Outlandish
Just like your comment.
This has been needed as the bridge to get people off gas and into EV that the manufacturers have skipped.
PHEV's are peak for what infrastructure we have now. We have shit EV chargers and a ton of gas stations. This Outlander is excellent especially in Colorado cus of Mitsubishis S-Awc.
That diamond stitching is gaudy.