Imagine making a endgame mode that is to easy for veterans, while also not allowing most other people to even play the hardest difficulty. Next Video will either be the Raiden Video, The How to Make Proper Endgame Video, another episode of Elemental Review, Or a Collab with Flip. Idk yet, still undecided
My problem with Imaginarium Theater is not that you have to build characters that you're never gonna use. It's the element restriction, most of the time you're going to be running a team with 2-3 DPS and no synergy. I wish they just added buffs to 3 elements instead of restricting it...
Agreed, this rotation in particular is very indicative of that problem because the finale boss is tha Algorithm of stupidly long name that I wont memorise, and if you don;t have a dendro character to trigger Quicken then that thing is waaaay harder to beat than it should be, except Dendro isn't available this rotation, I basically had to reset after like 12 attempts because i ofc had no idea it would be at the end and the only good electr unit I had left was Raiden, who I didn't currently have built for DPS cuz again, I didnt know this thing would be the final boss
This current rotation is sooooooooooo boring. I don't want to play a bunch of geo overload teams for 10 stages... There has to be a better way to impose restrictions on the mode than what it currently has. Just hand pick the characters we can use to boost banner sales, at least it will probably be more fun that way
@@dohickey7184no problem, my last team was probably Navia or Chiori with borrowed Raiden and I wiped the floor with him. Because of reactions being OP I rather think you need to plan the elements and final team composition. It's a team planner with rng. It's not really mandatory to have quicken and in fact there is no Dendro in the 3 elements so devs don't expect you to have it.
Or at least more usable/strong trial characters. They on purpose added trial characters, that everyone has: Dehya (free selector), Xiangling is free, Yaoyao - lantern right, Barbara - free, etc etc. If this mode made more for older players, why me who played less then a year often has almost all trial roster, and mine builded 10 times better 🤣 It's just another greedy move from hoyo.
7:17 YES THIS IS SO STUPID; I had a friend who took a break once Sumeru came out and recently returned. Now he's getting even LESS primos because he can't even access theatre because his teams are invested into a certain elements? So not only is abyss getting even more restricted and damage spongy, theatre is requiring even MORE? Wild.
WHY IS THE POOL RANDOM TOO??? I thought I’d be able to just use my team and slowly buff them over time like Divergent Universe but nah I gotta use Arlecchino, Gorou, and Keqing together 😭😭😭
Unless your Arlecchino can't carry shit, that problem is not as bad as the first time IT was released because now you can buy buffs that makes non-synergistic characters slightly useful, such as Pyro + Geo, or Pyro + Electro interaction buffs.
Having this (and abyss) reset once a month is such a letdown. It barely qualifies as content. It’s just something you do once a month then never go back in until next month.
I remember people's reaction when they saw the abyss reset changing from 2 weeks to 1 month, wild how mihoyo goes to these lengths to avoid giving us more primos income despite the game having nearly 100 characters
@@stiflash i mean they do give more primos and this system is just like HSR (except HSR has more endgame content) but yeah they couldve made Imaginarium Theatre reset every month and let spiral abyss do its usual rotation. From what i heard, the implementation of Imaginarium Theatre is there to add a more "fresh" Gameplay while reducing the stress (time limit for SA and IT is 1 month instead of 2 weeks) and giving more rewards (from 1200 a month to 1600)
Yup. I miss doing it 3 times per patch because it was more rewarding. You had put in the hard work, time to reap the reward. Now with it only running once a month, you're rewarded far less for the work you did.
The worst part is that if you're 1 character short and you sould be able to do it cuz you can take a character you don't already own from a friend the gamemode won't let you in. I don't know if they fixed that already but it happend to me once.
The IT sounds like a useful addition on paper. It adds content for horizontal investment, making it the natural opposite for SA, which rewards vertical investment. The issue is that it was added so late into the game’s lifespan, after years of the endgame revolving around preparing at most two, maybe three well-invested teams while also sharing artifacts and weapons to lessen the need to grind. IT throws that out the window and raises the barrier to entry by a lot so that only the long term players with enough weapons and artifacts to pass around can start it. Even if we have enough characters, however, the randomness of it all can hurt more than it can make a run interesting. In this current season of Pyro, Electro, and Geo, characters like Sethos and Razor are borderline unusable without their respective Dendro and Physical teams, and you won’t always have the characters necessary to make an Overload team for Chevreuse or a Mono-Geo team for Gorou. It is satisfying when it all clicks together for one or two floors, but that does little to elevate the experience of the entire journey.
Finally some sane critique. I agree that IT is the perfect counterpoint to SA on paper, but the time it got implemented at was bad for its reception and it needs refining. But the concept itself is good and encourages horizontal investment.
Ah yes, the 2 endgame modes, the time restricted bullet sponge gauntlet and the time restricted gauntlet of having to build 22 characters to have shit teams to play with Is it that hard to make an endgame score attack mode, or a mode where you have to engage with enemy mechanics that spark joy instead of "wow, another elemental shield"?
I'll say one thing and one thing alone. Hydro has only 4 permanently available character of which 1 is a 5 stars (Mona) and 2 are in the game since 1.0.
This shows in hindsight how much the mode is for veterans lol In the end I ended up building more pyro characters. But then veterans probably have Yelan, Furina and Neuvillette so that's not bad either. Hydro MC exist just to pad the numbers BUT Mc is almost always just better off on the 2 other elements anyway and is very useful as a 1 time investment to permanently increase 1 slot for every theater.
My take is that Imaginarium Theater is more for veteran players that can now find use cases for characters they might have benched because they fell off the meta. But as a newer player, I'm still tryna figure out optimizing mora and resource management while also building a couple characters at once, so it's just kinda stressful until I'll eventually get a built up roster.
As a veteran player, i dont think IT is for me either I spent 4 years playing Genshin, making my favorite characters stronger just to be unable to play them and have fun due to elemental restrictions
If you want to clear these contents as fast as possible for new player and no fun, here is my take: *Just build whatever meta DPS (that you have and you want to play) right now Neuv, Arlec, Mualani, etc. Don't have to crown any character as the overall damage improvement from talent 9 to 10 is roughly 5%. Crowning is a luxury that you should use on characters that YOU LIKE. Keep them at 80/90 (max ascension but don't max out their levels at 90). *Then build support like Xingqiu, Xiangling, and Yelan, you can farm emblem set (quite resin efficient as some other DPS can temporarily use Shimenawa). Though, you can get away with just feed them enough ER to get burst every rotation. Level 6 talents are alright. Keep their level at 60/70 or 70/80 is fine. You only need their ascension 4 passive unlocked. *For Kazuha, stack EM for sands, goblet and cirlet with ER subtat. At least 160ER for solo kazuha with Favonius sword and nearly 200% without Favonius, run ER Sand instead of EM if needed. Don't need to level his talents, just need ascension 4 passive. He is there with Viridescent to swirl, crowd control and give elemental RES only. If you don't have him, sucrose works okay. Just 1 or 2 set of Viridescent and move on. *For Furina, ER requirement is about 200% for solo, 150-200% double hydro. When pair with Neuv, you only need 130-150% ER. Run ER sand instead HP% if needed. Then HP%>Hydro goblet. Cirlet is either crit rate or crit damage. *For Xilonen, you only need her E to talent level 8 or 9. Run DEF% sand, DEF% goblet sand Healing cirlet on Hero of Cinder City set. You don't need her if you have both Kazuha and Sucrose. However, her elemental RES last way more than Viridescent. *The cost of leveling a character from 1-90 is 1.6 million Mora and 418 Hero's Wit. The cost of leveling a character from 1-80/90 (ascension 6) is 0.987 million Mora and 247 Hero's Wit. Hence, it's recommend for newer account not to leveling characters to 90. Characters like Neuv, Hu Tao, Furina etc can benefit from level 90 with maxed base HP but doing this after you somewhat build your supports. Reactions like overload, Electro-charged, Burning, Bloom, Hyperbloom, Burgeon, Aggravate, and Spread can benefit from characters level but I don't recommend you look into this for now. *Don't farm 5 star artifact until you get highest Domain IV (You'll get at AR45 if I remember correctly). They guarantee, at least, a 5 star artifact for every 20 resin (2 if lucky). Build your character set first then slowly improve them. Min/max artifact early isn't optimal. *Characters I mentioned above, if you don't have them, DON'T spend money to get them. You are paying 16000 primo just for 1200primo per month is not a good investment. DO go for 5 star characters that you like (personality, play style, damage, story, etc...). For 4 stars, you will get copy of them eventually for free in events or in 5 star banner that you want. Xiangling, Xingqiu, Bennett, and Fischl can be bough in Paimon's bargain. Just one copy if you don't have, no need for constellations, you will max constellation eventually. *DO NOT stress out if you can't get max reward. Eventually, with enough investments and min/max artifact overtime, you can max-clear contents with non-meta. Hence, I recommend pull for characters that you like. *Last but not least, if you want to deep dive into building a character, look for guides. Personally, I would generally recommend "*insert_purple_fake_cat_girl_name* Main guides". They are short and good enough. I can't give out the actually name as my comments got deleted from other RUclipsrs. I don't know if Mr_leech is cool with it or not. Just play it safe so at least, you can see my comment. Don't forget to have fun!
Not even for veteran players, more targeted for ppl who spend money on the game. I’ve playing for 4 yrs n barely scrape by the char limit, having to switch the travelers element to whatever’s usable and use bench warmers like amber n chichi just to participate, so I end up w half my roster being useless.
I'm one of the very few imaginarium theatre enjoyers and I will defend it till the day I die. HOWEVER why in God's name did they change the spiral abyss reset. there was no reason
I don't actually mind it. It's a really crude attempt at a roguelike (I don't know HOW it's bad considering Star rail does this much better) but it makes you think about what characters you should use and forces you to use characters you usually wouldn't. It also provides characters of the elements in rotation to use, so something like cryo running isn't as big of an issue as it would normally be. Of course, if the trial characters in are ones you already have it isn't helpful, but I guess it's more like a bandage than a clear fix. Usually you can just throw slop at the early waves and conserve for later and that's what's carried me to the end so far.
I once again feel compelled to mention that if HoYo had just given us a reworked and permanent version of Labyrinth Warriors (a roguelike event from 2.2, if anyone's unfamiliar), everything would've been fine. A small aside: Ever played "Depths of Illusive Realm" in WuWa? Now that was the shit, especially because some of the buffs would just let you go completely bonkers: turn Chixia into Gunslinger Dante from DMC; make Yangyang get motivated and become the storm that is approaching; give Jiyan infinite Dragon Install; and my personal favorite, let Jianxin achieve Ultra Instinct and become borderline invincible. It's a good time and you could earn roll currency, upgrade mats, even echo skins! Here's hoping it comes back for 1.4!
I love this game mode tbh. It allows me to use so many characters that i want to use in the abyss but can't use since i can only use 8 characters in floor 12. Also the elemental restrictions allows me to find out how well do my characters do when not in their best teams. Like I've always used al haitham in spread and hyperbloom but the last theatre forced me to try him on burgeon teams, and i was pleasantly surprised by the teams i could use with him. And being able to use one character from your friends is also great(wish it was 2). Because of that i am able to use kazuha or arleccino (whom i hate as a character but love the playstyle) often
@@Sky-re2dw im no whale and got 10/10 my first time this cycle. it was annoying to feel pressure to use my resin to upgrade chars i didnt really care about or want to use, but now its done. every char i have is 60, ready to be ascended as the new cycles demand. ill be honest, im actually kinda glad about it. got a buncha standard pulls in, and 1600 per 4 week cycle is better than 1200. kinda fun working your jank ass characters thru it. but ive certainly had mixed feeling about it prior. i think its just an ar60 check for max rewards. finishing the hard mode with 8 stages isnt that tough to get to.
@@johns783 I don't like raising characters I don't feel like to play/ harder to play I just want to have fun with it, I didn't care about any clears of these endgames cause I can just grind on other contents just focusing mostly on the story
Me too. It's not for new players. It's built for old players like me and is fun to try to conserve my good characters for later while choosing rooms I can beat (with stellar star) with only my weaker characters.
I love it. It's not for new players. It's built for old players like me and is fun to try to conserve my good characters for later while choosing rooms I can beat (with stellar star) with only my weaker characters. Edit: I do agree that lowering Abyss resets sucks
I don't think it should be for newer players because it's endgame. Even then you're restricted in Abyss until you're more deeper into the game But I'm glad to hear that you enjoy it :D
100% agree. As someone who played almost since the start and has difficulty fully cealering Abyss even now, because A. I'm ass at this game and B. My artifact luck is terrible this is way more fun than Abyss and just the right amount of difficulty for me. It feels sooo good that my years of playing finaly pay off. The rewards from Abyss being split tho is still scummy from hoyo, as it just punishes new players, while it's them that should get more to possibly cach up to older ones, like in other gachas.
Ngl it honestly has improved a lot recently the last one was genuinely fun and amazing but what I feel made this current one feel bad was simply the fact it was geo which has a lot of useless characters which most people won’t have
Just the simplest of things could make this trash heap of a game mode better, like… NOT FORCING US TO USE 4 CHARACTERS. You can’t even fucking save characters for later, and it makes characters like Chev and Nilou completely useless unless you get lucky
@@stuartpratuch7036 star rail - game allows me to do runs without full teams i can still get max reward if i clear wuthering waves hologram/tower - game allows me to do runs without full teams i can still get max reward if i clear spiral abyss - game allows me to do runs without full teams i can still get max reward if i clear theater - NOPE, we're FORCING you to use full teams for all the fights so you have no choice but to mess up your vigor for your characters
I mean genshin is creative unlike HSR or wuwa nowadays HSR forces you to pull all types of dps like erudition for pf, destruction for mc and hunt for as, also supports too bcs they are broken.@@adriandaliva1341
only reason i really dont mind the character restriction is that getting stars doesnt give you anything, so you just need to finish the rooms to get the rewards if i had to level up thee character and be mindfull of the time constrainds, i would be mad at this game mode, but since you just ned to lvel up stuff, as you said, you just need time, which honstly is the same for spyral abyss but to a lsseer extent
Tbf altho i think most people know what u mean, u forgot to specify that u can still play the gamemode with less than 22 characters but just not the hardest mode (which sucks)
You summed it up perfectly. I can play normal mode SOMETIMES, not even close to hard mode. This shit sucks ass. Thing is, when I can play it I dumpster it cause its so easy. And normally with a bunch of character uses to spare so like why cant I go into the next mode? Basically, just bring back the bi-weekly abyss and make this separate from abyss, that gives more rewards. If your gonna make us work more, then give us more
I am actually so happy about imaginarium theater. I am not a whale, more like welkin player, but i played so long that i have a lot of build characters that i just dont use anymore, so its fun to have a mode that forces me to use these characters and be creative with teams. Its obviously not for casuals or new players, but there are people like me who asked for something new 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah I'm in the same ball park. I've always been that one Genshin player who invested and experimented with any character that I liked (I built Dehya around the time people were hating her cause I like her nd I built Dori because I'm part of the 1% that likes her.) So IT is likely meant for (1) horizontal investors and (2) long time players like me. It's not like the mode is so difficult that you need everyone perfectly optimized, either. For this run, the only Geo characters that I have optimized were Navia, Zhongli, and Xilonen. Itto, Gorou, Albedo, and Noelle are all a espectable Lv.70 and have average artifacts. With a borrowed Ninguang and Chiori, I was able to go in with a full set of characters and clear all the stages in Visionary Mode. Personally, I like having a game mode where I can actually use my other characters that I spent my free time building. And I like being forced to use characters and teams I never considered before. I get why some are dissappinted or even angry, but like you I'm happy with it so far.
I like the concept of the game mode. It is more about making functional teams with what you have which makes the strength of those teams far weaker than normal. Hence why the challenges are rather easy since most people are expected to be weaker than normal. It is meant for horizontal investment players that just collect a lot of characters. The only thing I really dislike about it is that for people that can not fully access this mode it means that they get less rewards than before.
nah i'd horizontally invest. jokes aside it hurts my soul that so many people hate this mode which i feel like is a by product of abyss conditioning players to invest vertically and not care as much about collection i think IT is much more true to the collection aspect of gachas and as a mode has so much potential it reminds me of a similar mode in my first dokkan what i think genshin needs to take from them is having better rewards for example imagine if the keys or medals they gave you could be turned in for a 4* of the elements of the current season. or if you could spend them on resources like mora exp etc
Agreed This mode is really fun and having to consider characters to build incase i am missing an element adds a lot of depth to my character building and pulling decisions,so i love it.
bro i’ve played since 2.6 and spent a little bit of money on welkin and battle passes and i still don’t have enough chars to do the highest level difficulty yet 😭
The hate come from the fact you can clear the abyss with both vertical or horizontal investment, IT is just horizontal, that doesnt even allow you to use less than 4 chars in the team to save resources for next challenge Imagine you having to pull chars just to play this, imagine you having to waste resources in characters you dont like (mind you, resources in this game takes time) just to >join< the game mode, and in 99% of the time, the team doesnt even have synergy 😩 Thankfully IT enemies are wet paper, but it really doesnt make better to play when you're forced to level up units to LV 70 and play them naked
I'm someone who has horizontally invested, who meets the highest restrictions already, and I still despise the mode. Because it doesn't let me build toward a fun team. Instead, it encourages me to play the least good team possible that can still clear the mode. That "least good" thing is what determines the teams I play and the characters I pick from the choices given. Added to that, certain characters really want certain things to function. And the RNG hampers that. This doesn't make a character like Xinyan fun for me. I have far more fun taking her into a regular domain.
I agree. But then I'm a day 1 player who has ~70 characters at level 90, with a lv 90 weapon and talent levels 9/9/9. I'm glad that I finally get to use the characters that aren't necessarily meta and I never bring in abyss. This way I still get to use them. I do get that for newer players this game mode might suck ass though
You are wrong for one thing. Specifically, here 7:43 You see, before you got 1200 primogems per month for fully clearing the abyss twice in a month. Now, in order to get the same amount, you still need to clear floor 12 of the abyss and only medium difficulty in the theater, for which you need only 12 characters of 3 specific elements at lvl 60, not even 70. Which is not hard to get at all. So if you care about having the same rewards as before, now it's even easier to get, and everything on top is a bonus reward.
The lowering of the Rewards was so they could add a third or fourth mode without giving too many resources, but it sucks right now because 2 gives the same amount.
Yeah, I built Xiangling to do that (bc i was going to build her anyway), then I got started on building other characters and realized... i was literally having to farm leylines EVERY OTHER DAY because of how many resources it needed. Yeah no, I'll focus on improving my artifacts to 36 star, maybe level up Ayato and Thoma for that burgeon team I've been dying to try out, and I'll just do whatever Imaginarium Theater lets me do. I'm not gonna focus on it, because raising so many characters to a mediocre level is literally bleeding my account dry
@@Error403HRD I'm seeing a lot of comments saying that the Imaginarium favoring horizontal investment is a good thing. I would agree, if not for the fact that the game itself doesn't incentivize that due to how limited resources are, up to and including the characters and weapons themselves. Oh, you actually DO have a large pool of characters for Hard or Visionary Mode but they're not built? Well then, have fun FURTHER micromanaging when to build what character/weapon so that you don't get one-shot while doing 15 Phys damage. Oh, and you can't change equipment after you've confirmed your lineup. Enjoy.
@@SageRuffin Exactly! Even WHALES can't get passed the limited resources, so I can't see how this game mode is good for anyone (given that day one players breeze through it with ease because it's not actually difficult, while newer players likely don't have enough characters to even attempt it)
This game mode basically says you are forced to level 7 characters of every element minimum just to get the required number just to be allowed to enter. I’ve been playing this game for almost four years and I have maybe three characters of each element built at least half decent and I just downright refuse to level characters I don’t like just to participate on this
For me the only reason i can bare this mode is because i have 2 years worth of characters and the game mode forced me to finally build characters that i just had idling like Layla or Charlotte. I can feel the pain of the players that just want the cisnetic rewards.
I am personally a fan of IT,sure it has issues(specifically too many restrictions) but i really enjoy my time playing it. I think it adds depth to your gameplay or team building when you have to account for having enough characters of every element built. So if your account is lacking geos you go and pull some geo units to make up for that,purely to not get messed up in the theater. I think its really interesting
@@princemannic exactly! You have to account for having enough characters built of every element and it might make you pull or build characters you otherwise wouldn't
I like the theater. Considering it is an endgame mode, new players not being able to meet the requirements makes sense. I’m the type of player who naturally put some investment in my characters cause i genuinely don’t see a reason to never do that if they are your account, so I like having a reason to use them and a game mode that leans more towards planning ahead/understanding the characters rather than having perfect stats. It is a bit of a shame though the abyss cycle changed though.
The resin system greatly affects this mode as well because to make the other characters in you party have a chance against these challenges, especially Visionary mode, you need multiple artifact sets. But you only get so much resin daily and it causes players to do so few domains. Plus the drop rate of getting good artifacts is abysmal.
my personal suggestion for this is to simply count constellations as characters except when you're adding bonus ones. this will limit the pool you get to characters you give a damn about while also incentivising you to build 4 stars, chances are your 5 stars will be at c0 unless you're really hardcore about favouritism and abyss and stuff, which is pretty much every long time player this gamemode was really intended for anyways.
watching this vid as im farming to reach lvl 70 on 4 different characters just so i can get visionary mode rewards on the next teather , i hate this sooooooooooooooo much😭
All I want is for them to combine Labyrinth Warriors (from 2.2) with parts of the Chasm quest (like with the rotating platforms and stuff) and potentially make it co-op.
My perspective as someone who likes it: I’ve always been frustrated that building many characters doesn’t have any purpose. I collect every pyro character because I like the element, but most of them fill the same role of a main DPS. So I sit with my Yoimiya, Diluc, Yanfei, Hu Tao, Gaming, Klee, Lyney, Arlecchino, etc and only use a maximum of two of them for spiral abyss. I don’t like rerunning abyss just to play with weaker characters. I’m a meta player, so of course I’m only using Arlecchino and Hu Tao most of the time. But Imaginarium theater makes my effort of building *all* my characters feel much better. I had no reason to build non-meta before. Literally zero. So the core gameplay of genshin of raising characters to make better teams felt very wasted when I knew any resin spent on Yoimiya would be better spent on Arlecchino. It feels good to be able to use my many, many built characters who I pulled because I like them and raised because I like them. They are not top of the meta so I don’t use them in abyss, but they are all strong. This game mode was made for people like me who build characters because we like them while still caring about optimization, but who don’t just build and pull meta. Which is more people than you’d think.
My solution is lower the character requirement number and raise the number of times you can use each character by 1 so you can use each character in 3 chambers it won’t fix everything but it will at least allow more people to at least play the gamemode.
I am a person who has been engaging with the game throughout 3 years and I am a vertical investment cuz Genshin was always about that and now this mode completely fucked me up cuz it demands HORIZONTAL investment and riddle me this WHY TF WOULD I LEVEL UP THOMA IF I HAVE ZHONGLI AND NEVER HAD A NEED FOR HIM AND GET PUNISHED FOR THIS IN THIS VERY GAMEMODE. For building and playing whatever I want which is a mindset that Genshin pretty much encouraged this entire time
even as someone who slighty enjoys this gamemode, the exact same rewards for twice the work is diabolical. i like how the mechanic forces you to use teams that may or may not work at all it's fun to me but jesus it is not worth the turmoil for not even a tenpull per month.
As someone that ALWAYS loses 5050 and goes to 160 pulls for any 5 star character I want, and someone that doesnt like leveling characters that i dont like to play, this game mode feels like nails on a chalkboard The worse part is that i already have like 7 hyperinvested teams, but i cant even play them in IT due to element restriction and if i could, that rng to get the characters would make it awful
This endgame is actually catered for people who uses their resin diligently by building characters. Not build 2 teams and call it done. People are always complaining how easy SA is that they can clear it with 1 character each floor. Now with the HP buff on SA and the theatre, this gives you incentives for building up the characters you get.
@@anupambarua3407 i agree with you, however, I do think this endgame is healthy in the long run. I stopped playing genshin because there's no reason for me to farm if i have 4 teams rotating in SA and are able to clear it regularly. This mode actually made me think building characters isn't so bad anymore since now I have a reason to build them, this also is a test on how good you are at adapting since you won't get your units all in one go, and you can only use them twice, which opens up some interesting gameplay. I do believe that the SA should reset twice a month still, and theatre could reset once at the beginning of the month.
I actually had to level characters I don't even use just to do the hardest difficulty, and this is coming from someone playing since patch 1.0. I don't pull for every single character, instead I vertically invest in the characters I like.
I've been completing Spiral Abyss since mid 2.something AND I done all Imaginerum Theatres and cuz of THAT I claim my RIGHT to complain: Those game-modes are not mechanicly hard, they are investment checks (and luck too). They are choirs we do, cuz primogems, which are VERY low for the effort
1:54 I might be misinterpreting, but I think you can bring in support characters from your friendlist for Visionary difficulty, I have been able to do so since the difficulty came out. I specifically save the C6 characters for the last two bosses
when they first introduced the game mode I got pretty pissed. As someone who first got into the game during Sumeru most of my characters built were hydro and dendro, and to a lessor extent pyro and electro. So immediately when the mode came out, it excluded those my two most built elements and I had to build entirely new teams. ive been playing the game for nearly 2 years and dont have enough characters yet. at least for some elements.
The worst thing about it, is that they already have done roguelike modes in the past with events. They could have used those and it would have been perfectly fine. But no, they do this sort of thing that requires insane investment that even a lot of veterans may not have done.
Honestly when I first unlocked the Imaginarium I took one look at how it works and went, "Oh cool, anyway" and left and had not stepped foot in that location since. Even with the Spiral Abyss having it's own problems at least it allows more of it's playerbase to even play it, not just veterans.
Came in prepared to defend IT a little, even if it's not my favorite and I recognize it's shortcomings. I'm the kind of person who just tries to see and argue both sides for the sake of having a complete discussion...but um, yep. I've got nothing.
It should have a third mode, one where you can unlock side stories with characters like Amber, Dainsleif, Amber, the sibling, Amber, maybe Khanreah(forgot how to spell it) and Amber. Do it Miyohoverse.
Oh hey! I remember seeing a video of u saying u quit genshin, but looking at ur channel it looks like you've been back for a while. Welcome back! I hope u have a less toxic experience with the genshin community!
The theater is a pin for someone like me that has only been playing for a couple years and doesn't have a crap ton of maxed out characters. I just know finally have 5 level 90's
I did this estimate a long time ago so i dont remember it exactly but at minimum it takes about 2 weeks to build a character from level 0 at World Level 8 and that if you get really lucky with artifacts and also doesnt factor in needing mora or level up books
The issue with Imaginarium Theatre for me is that it’s the gamemode that’s supposedly supposed to have players use their brains and form teams that work well with a restricted selection of characters. Yet it fails at its main premise, because I don’t think having characters like Faruzan or Gorou on an Arlecchino team is a good way to teach players how proper team building works, it’s mostly just random s**t go and hoping it works. I do think it’s cool that you have restricted characters, it makes it more challenging, but the element restriction on top of the RNG and the fact that you need certain characters, alongside them needing to be a specific level to even use is pretty annoying sometimes.
I feel like there should be a illusive realm video. It’s practically has little investment needed to get the important rewards and is actually fun enough just to play it again for the sake of it. Genshin practically had this except you need a full team instead of a single character, but it still should’ve been the endgame except of this
I think the concept is decent enough. I don't have the characters to play the hardest difficulty though. Depending on the cycle, it may be years before I have enough characters. Since I don't roll very often, chances are I'll never be able to complete the hardest difficulties. In addition, not only do you have to have units of specific elements, they generally have to have some kind of synergy with one another in some number of combinations. You can't use a unit more than twice unless you get an even card that gives a unit extra charges. I don't have the weapons to field every unit I own. I barely have enough to field 2 abyss teams. It becomes a game of resources, but ether people who've played for the past 3-4 years or whales have the resources to do it all. If they wanted to do a rogue like, they could've just made Labyrinth Warriors a permanent mode.
You said word for word my thoughts about it, i have played 2 and a half years genshin, i could barely clear it when there was hydro characters and found it incredably unreasonable when it made me pick cryo characters, that a normal player has probably less than 4 well built. And i wasnt about to build rosaria or mika.
I sleptwalk through every iteration of Imaginarium Theatre, until the last rotation because I only had 21 out of the 22 characters sufficiently leveled and built to participate for the Visionary difficulty. And even then, I only really needed ONE character to clear the floors with ease, if only it would let me.
i hate the theater i could literally steamroll the theater in all its floors but I can't because i just don't build a lot of characters up i usually focus only on the ones i like so the last 2 stage usually i cant do
gacha forcing you to spend more time and money?! no way! but seriously, can we stop using this as a reason to hate, in name of Christ, you are playing a glorified slot machine
Actually i came around and now i love that mode it encourages you to strategize you character picks and buff and gives some character you forgot about a chance to shine and forcing you to get out of your comfort zone without having artificial difficulty like the abyss but enemies have 900 million HP and have HP drain the only downside to that mode being it requires players to have a lot of characters which is something most players wouldn't have but the target audience for that mode is older players who might sleep on some characters and team comps my account was super focused on three teams that could clear the abyss and now i realized the usefulness of some of my characters and the characters i built and enjoy using after the introduction of that mode includes yaoya deyha haizu yanfai sucrose fischil jean ganyu shenhe freminet charlotte layla venti ayato yin jin gaming And yes i went from having 20 million mora to having to farm mora leyline but i don't regret it because i have much more freedom in what team i want to play just because i got out of the mindset of just leveling and investing in the meta characters
I remember the first time I tried out imaginarium I got so frustrated I just gave up. If you play casually you'll never have enough things to go past normal mode and it sucks
I lile it. It forces you to build some mid tier characters and use them. Plus, of the 22 characters they give you 5 trial characters, so there's that also.
Ive been playing since launch. I may have 22 characters with a built up weapon, talents and artifacts at best.(2 of which are. Aloy and Qiqi so really 20) No shot I'm invested the time to build up characters I have no interest in for 800 primos. What's does that cost to purchase now? $15. So spend like 40 hrs grinding out to build characters or pay $15. Id just pay the 15 dollars if I was that pressed for the primos.
My biggest complaint is that the biggest reward is lackluster. I really don't like the echoes. They look very tacked on, doesn't look like it fits. Would have preferred if it just made the whole body glow or just your weapon. Or if it was just a special skin like how other games have bond skin earned through maxing out a character's bond.
my geo characters are yun jin, ninnguang, gorou and noelle all unbuilt. i don't have a single geo 5 star because those are exclusive to limited time banners. i skipped sumeru, so all my dendro characters are collei, mc and tighnari. in the case geo and dendro would run together, i would be expected to build all of them above level 70 and then do the same for *fifteen* characters of the same element. I'VE PLAYED AND SPENT ON THIS GAME FOR THREE YEARS BTW.
I was so confused, as someone who hasn't done many rotations. This entire time I just assumed that you could add friends and sub in any of their characters; making it less "You need to build dozens of characters" and more "You need friends who build a couple of characters". That would make sense. But I never added people on Genshin so.... Turns out it's only one, huh? Wow. This could've all been sidestepped by turning it into a collaborative roguelike and drive engagement by ensuring people keep their teams updated
The worst part is that hydro has only 3 4-stars and the hmc Candace without c6 is bad and hmc is always bad so most players would have 2 usable 4-star hydro units (the lucky ones get 3) and probably only up for to 3 5-star hydro units most likely being Yelan, Furina and Neuvillette.
The sad thing is, I would be the perfect person to play the Imaginarium Theater. I'm okay with the random elements, and I don't really care that much about strict meta. But I've been playing less than a year, and don't have enough built characters. Plus, I don't want to build every character I do have, and if I do, I won't use them outside of Theater. I already don't do Spiral Abyss because I don't like it, and now I feel locked out of something else.
The fact that they almost did near perfect roguelike gameplay during the 2.3 patch.... and then made it limited lol. how tf they made Simulated Universe and Elysian Realm enjoyable??? even i cannot clear the harder content? Even goddmn WuWa (another open world, mind you) has their own seasonal roguelike gameplay? Just bring back the Labyrinth Warriors man...
There are still people who praise it for making you think about teams. It's a mode where you get random characters who won't synergize well enough to be a team. It doesn't even ask you to build 90% of them, just show up. The only Endgame in Genshin isn't even Abyss, it's 36 Stars. Any less and you can walk around in trash and complete it.
I play theatre on hard and pass decently easily even with my hand eye coordination problems, I love when people (even whales) tell me how useful my characters are it fills me with absolute pride (especially my Venti) but right now is probably the hardest theatre for me because I do not own a single 5 star Geo or electro character on my main account and I own 1 Pyro 5 star in the form of a C2 Dehya, one could say "oh why don't you pull on Xilonen or Chiori, why don't you use those 52800 primos to get any other characters from the roaster" well my friends I'm an autistic with a hyper focus on Venti and I missed his early rerun (I got him day one) and I am finally saving to C6 him! I cannot pull on any character banner until he is C6 as I want to start with the best chance of getting him C6 as I will be kicking off my Venti pulls with 75 pity and a guarantee for C2 Venti. Nothing and I mean nothing will away me (this is why I have 2 extra accounts they help me satiate, the gambling addiction) I will not stop until I have the best Venti in the world i am that determined. XD
The Imaginarium Theater, especially Visionary Mode, is the single biggest contributor to my Genshin Center planner being so horribly bloated. I used to pull characters almost exclusively for the Spiral Abyss with the general philosophy of "get two strong on-field DPSs per element plus Physical and their supports"...but the Imaginarium Theater has inflated that to "additionally get lots of characters that function well either or both on- and off-field like Xilonen so you can effectively beat an act regardless of your potentially messy team comp". While I'm very happy that some characters like Sucrose, my waifu, excel at both the Abyss and the Theater, I don't like feeling forced to raise someone like C6 Lynette-I'm not a fan of more "extreme" introverts and I find Sucrose significantly easier to play. (Disclaimer: If you like Lynette for whatever non-immoral reason, I'm not stopping you.)
The two main things I really don't like about it are the required element restrictions, and that you can't share your characters if they're in the starting line up. I'd prefer if it was fair game, and if they put mechanics related restrictions in instead and let us work out the details ourselves. I personally don't mind a more horizontal investment based mode as someone who started horizontal and eventually went vertical, but with the way the restrictions are set up now I can see how it'd cause a lot of issues for people. I do really love the atmosphere and music design that went into it though. The fight 3 OST and background for acts 7-10 are peak. Edit: Also the ability to borrow a friend's character should be something that's used a lot more. It's an interesting way to let people try things that they haven't gotten the chance to before. I've already had some people commenting on how trying my characters have made them want that character/constellation.
I've been playing since day 1 and man this cycle is hard on me as I have barely any geo like 6 (With only 2 properly built). I had been skipping and investing vertically on characters I like. But most annoying about IT is that I can't have a proper team at all. I have to pull for character I don't want and build characters I don't want. TI isn't hard but it is annoying.
As someone that loves this gamemode, I agree lowering the reward amount from abyss was a terrible idea and had they just given out more rewards (as would be expected from a gacha this old) everything would be fine. To me this gamemode is just a thank you for long term players, but it sucks that new players cach a stray in the process.
I also dont mind IT as a veteran player (OG kazuha haver on my Debut). I am looking forward to building Gaming and Sethos exactly for this reason.. Although it would be much more useful if IT just auto upgraded them to 90 with mid artifacts and investnent like Divergent universe. Building characters in genshin is just so much more troublesome than HSR.
Stop making good videos! Damn. Only been watching your vids this past week for me but every vid has been a great topic so far. As a returning player from roughly release, It's great to hear your perspective. Thank you. (Obviously please don't stop making videos) Oh and side note - adventure rank 54 upon returning... I can't even start this game mode on the second difficulty.
I think its intended purpose was to address complaints of wanting something to use your characters on. Ofc, to say it missed the mark on that is an understatement - if anything thanks to its elemental restrictions I'm using the characters I want to use less often As for a fix, it's pretty simple: remove the minimum to start the mode ... or reduce it down to like a team or two for even the highest difficulty. Let the reward for bringing more characters simply be not having to rely as much on getting vigor restores to clear
Imagine making a endgame mode that is to easy for veterans, while also not allowing most other people to even play the hardest difficulty.
Next Video will either be the Raiden Video, The How to Make Proper Endgame Video, another episode of Elemental Review, Or a Collab with Flip. Idk yet, still undecided
Collab with our favorite former minor lets gooooo
Collab with flip would be cool
They should create an Endgame mode that's actually made for fun and not for monthly primogems.
i feels like their making new endgame worst on purpose so that you play their other game like hsr or zzz
Can't wait for the enemies that completely drain your energy to be added to the abyss.
Wait, that sounds familiar.
Sounds like something they’d do when they want to push dps that are NA/skill reliant.
Wayob manifestations : "Allow us to introduce ourselves..."
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac so the meta will shift from Neuv/Arlechino to....oh wait...neuv/arlechino
@@bushy9780😭
My problem with Imaginarium Theater is not that you have to build characters that you're never gonna use. It's the element restriction, most of the time you're going to be running a team with 2-3 DPS and no synergy. I wish they just added buffs to 3 elements instead of restricting it...
Especially when DPS characters are usually restrictive for certain teams in which they shine hhhhh
Agreed, this rotation in particular is very indicative of that problem because the finale boss is tha Algorithm of stupidly long name that I wont memorise, and if you don;t have a dendro character to trigger Quicken then that thing is waaaay harder to beat than it should be, except Dendro isn't available this rotation, I basically had to reset after like 12 attempts because i ofc had no idea it would be at the end and the only good electr unit I had left was Raiden, who I didn't currently have built for DPS cuz again, I didnt know this thing would be the final boss
I thought that was sorta the point for end game.
Given the fact we have all the time and resources
This current rotation is sooooooooooo boring. I don't want to play a bunch of geo overload teams for 10 stages... There has to be a better way to impose restrictions on the mode than what it currently has. Just hand pick the characters we can use to boost banner sales, at least it will probably be more fun that way
@@dohickey7184no problem, my last team was probably Navia or Chiori with borrowed Raiden and I wiped the floor with him.
Because of reactions being OP I rather think you need to plan the elements and final team composition. It's a team planner with rng. It's not really mandatory to have quicken and in fact there is no Dendro in the 3 elements so devs don't expect you to have it.
Imagirium Theatre needs the Divergent Universe treatment. The game auto build your roster if it's not up to par with the requirement
This might actually be dope. Make it a separate end game content for more Primogems tho hahaha
Yes I would love this
They should have done this from the start. Kinda ridiculous that they didn't. It wouldnt be so bad if they did that
Add some trial characters and new players might actually have a better chance to clear.
Or at least more usable/strong trial characters. They on purpose added trial characters, that everyone has: Dehya (free selector), Xiangling is free, Yaoyao - lantern right, Barbara - free, etc etc. If this mode made more for older players, why me who played less then a year often has almost all trial roster, and mine builded 10 times better 🤣 It's just another greedy move from hoyo.
7:17 YES THIS IS SO STUPID; I had a friend who took a break once Sumeru came out and recently returned. Now he's getting even LESS primos because he can't even access theatre because his teams are invested into a certain elements? So not only is abyss getting even more restricted and damage spongy, theatre is requiring even MORE? Wild.
WHY IS THE POOL RANDOM TOO??? I thought I’d be able to just use my team and slowly buff them over time like Divergent Universe but nah I gotta use Arlecchino, Gorou, and Keqing together 😭😭😭
HAHAHAHA
Unless your Arlecchino can't carry shit, that problem is not as bad as the first time IT was released because now you can buy buffs that makes non-synergistic characters slightly useful, such as Pyro + Geo, or Pyro + Electro interaction buffs.
I love my team of Chevruese, Kequing, Ningguang, and Yunjin, couldn’t be me.
At least better than nilou that can't bloom 😢
Having this (and abyss) reset once a month is such a letdown. It barely qualifies as content. It’s just something you do once a month then never go back in until next month.
I remember people's reaction when they saw the abyss reset changing from 2 weeks to 1 month, wild how mihoyo goes to these lengths to avoid giving us more primos income despite the game having nearly 100 characters
@@stiflash i mean they do give more primos and this system is just like HSR (except HSR has more endgame content) but yeah they couldve made Imaginarium Theatre reset every month and let spiral abyss do its usual rotation.
From what i heard, the implementation of Imaginarium Theatre is there to add a more "fresh" Gameplay while reducing the stress (time limit for SA and IT is 1 month instead of 2 weeks) and giving more rewards (from 1200 a month to 1600)
Yup. I miss doing it 3 times per patch because it was more rewarding. You had put in the hard work, time to reap the reward. Now with it only running once a month, you're rewarded far less for the work you did.
Per month? Lol, this time in 5.2 we are getting the same abyss again, so this per 2 months 😂, what a joke
@@banjoowo4001 wdym the same abyss again?
The worst part is that if you're 1 character short and you sould be able to do it cuz you can take a character you don't already own from a friend the gamemode won't let you in. I don't know if they fixed that already but it happend to me once.
keep hoping itll change each cycle but it was still up in all including this one
Honestly if they just ditched the minimum character limit and allowed teams of less than 4 I'd be pretty happy with it...
The IT sounds like a useful addition on paper. It adds content for horizontal investment, making it the natural opposite for SA, which rewards vertical investment.
The issue is that it was added so late into the game’s lifespan, after years of the endgame revolving around preparing at most two, maybe three well-invested teams while also sharing artifacts and weapons to lessen the need to grind. IT throws that out the window and raises the barrier to entry by a lot so that only the long term players with enough weapons and artifacts to pass around can start it. Even if we have enough characters, however, the randomness of it all can hurt more than it can make a run interesting. In this current season of Pyro, Electro, and Geo, characters like Sethos and Razor are borderline unusable without their respective Dendro and Physical teams, and you won’t always have the characters necessary to make an Overload team for Chevreuse or a Mono-Geo team for Gorou. It is satisfying when it all clicks together for one or two floors, but that does little to elevate the experience of the entire journey.
Finally some sane critique. I agree that IT is the perfect counterpoint to SA on paper, but the time it got implemented at was bad for its reception and it needs refining. But the concept itself is good and encourages horizontal investment.
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Ah yes, the 2 endgame modes, the time restricted bullet sponge gauntlet and the time restricted gauntlet of having to build 22 characters to have shit teams to play with
Is it that hard to make an endgame score attack mode, or a mode where you have to engage with enemy mechanics that spark joy instead of "wow, another elemental shield"?
I'll say one thing and one thing alone.
Hydro has only 4 permanently available character of which 1 is a 5 stars (Mona) and 2 are in the game since 1.0.
This shows in hindsight how much the mode is for veterans lol
In the end I ended up building more pyro characters. But then veterans probably have Yelan, Furina and Neuvillette so that's not bad either. Hydro MC exist just to pad the numbers BUT Mc is almost always just better off on the 2 other elements anyway and is very useful as a 1 time investment to permanently increase 1 slot for every theater.
Lol me forgetting Hydro MC was a thing
My take is that Imaginarium Theater is more for veteran players that can now find use cases for characters they might have benched because they fell off the meta. But as a newer player, I'm still tryna figure out optimizing mora and resource management while also building a couple characters at once, so it's just kinda stressful until I'll eventually get a built up roster.
As a veteran player, i dont think IT is for me either
I spent 4 years playing Genshin, making my favorite characters stronger just to be unable to play them and have fun due to elemental restrictions
If you want to clear these contents as fast as possible for new player and no fun, here is my take:
*Just build whatever meta DPS (that you have and you want to play) right now Neuv, Arlec, Mualani, etc. Don't have to crown any character as the overall damage improvement from talent 9 to 10 is roughly 5%. Crowning is a luxury that you should use on characters that YOU LIKE. Keep them at 80/90 (max ascension but don't max out their levels at 90).
*Then build support like Xingqiu, Xiangling, and Yelan, you can farm emblem set (quite resin efficient as some other DPS can temporarily use Shimenawa). Though, you can get away with just feed them enough ER to get burst every rotation. Level 6 talents are alright. Keep their level at 60/70 or 70/80 is fine. You only need their ascension 4 passive unlocked.
*For Kazuha, stack EM for sands, goblet and cirlet with ER subtat. At least 160ER for solo kazuha with Favonius sword and nearly 200% without Favonius, run ER Sand instead of EM if needed. Don't need to level his talents, just need ascension 4 passive. He is there with Viridescent to swirl, crowd control and give elemental RES only. If you don't have him, sucrose works okay. Just 1 or 2 set of Viridescent and move on.
*For Furina, ER requirement is about 200% for solo, 150-200% double hydro. When pair with Neuv, you only need 130-150% ER. Run ER sand instead HP% if needed. Then HP%>Hydro goblet. Cirlet is either crit rate or crit damage.
*For Xilonen, you only need her E to talent level 8 or 9. Run DEF% sand, DEF% goblet sand Healing cirlet on Hero of Cinder City set. You don't need her if you have both Kazuha and Sucrose. However, her elemental RES last way more than Viridescent.
*The cost of leveling a character from 1-90 is 1.6 million Mora and 418 Hero's Wit.
The cost of leveling a character from 1-80/90 (ascension 6) is 0.987 million Mora and 247 Hero's Wit.
Hence, it's recommend for newer account not to leveling characters to 90. Characters like Neuv, Hu Tao, Furina etc can benefit from level 90 with maxed base HP but doing this after you somewhat build your supports. Reactions like overload, Electro-charged, Burning, Bloom, Hyperbloom, Burgeon, Aggravate, and Spread can benefit from characters level but I don't recommend you look into this for now.
*Don't farm 5 star artifact until you get highest Domain IV (You'll get at AR45 if I remember correctly). They guarantee, at least, a 5 star artifact for every 20 resin (2 if lucky). Build your character set first then slowly improve them. Min/max artifact early isn't optimal.
*Characters I mentioned above, if you don't have them, DON'T spend money to get them. You are paying 16000 primo just for 1200primo per month is not a good investment. DO go for 5 star characters that you like (personality, play style, damage, story, etc...). For 4 stars, you will get copy of them eventually for free in events or in 5 star banner that you want. Xiangling, Xingqiu, Bennett, and Fischl can be bough in Paimon's bargain. Just one copy if you don't have, no need for constellations, you will max constellation eventually.
*DO NOT stress out if you can't get max reward. Eventually, with enough investments and min/max artifact overtime, you can max-clear contents with non-meta. Hence, I recommend pull for characters that you like.
*Last but not least, if you want to deep dive into building a character, look for guides. Personally, I would generally recommend "*insert_purple_fake_cat_girl_name* Main guides". They are short and good enough. I can't give out the actually name as my comments got deleted from other RUclipsrs. I don't know if Mr_leech is cool with it or not. Just play it safe so at least, you can see my comment.
Don't forget to have fun!
Not even for veteran players, more targeted for ppl who spend money on the game. I’ve playing for 4 yrs n barely scrape by the char limit, having to switch the travelers element to whatever’s usable and use bench warmers like amber n chichi just to participate, so I end up w half my roster being useless.
I'm one of the very few imaginarium theatre enjoyers and I will defend it till the day I die. HOWEVER why in God's name did they change the spiral abyss reset. there was no reason
I don't actually mind it. It's a really crude attempt at a roguelike (I don't know HOW it's bad considering Star rail does this much better) but it makes you think about what characters you should use and forces you to use characters you usually wouldn't. It also provides characters of the elements in rotation to use, so something like cryo running isn't as big of an issue as it would normally be. Of course, if the trial characters in are ones you already have it isn't helpful, but I guess it's more like a bandage than a clear fix. Usually you can just throw slop at the early waves and conserve for later and that's what's carried me to the end so far.
I actually really do like the Theater because it was made for people like me in mind. Built way more characters than most players probably would.
I've been playing Genshin for almost 3 years, and even I barely have enough characters to participate in Imaginarium Theatre on max difficulty.
i like theatre, its how i discover so many playstyles that I previously thought I would dislike, like Mualani
I once again feel compelled to mention that if HoYo had just given us a reworked and permanent version of Labyrinth Warriors (a roguelike event from 2.2, if anyone's unfamiliar), everything would've been fine.
A small aside: Ever played "Depths of Illusive Realm" in WuWa? Now that was the shit, especially because some of the buffs would just let you go completely bonkers: turn Chixia into Gunslinger Dante from DMC; make Yangyang get motivated and become the storm that is approaching; give Jiyan infinite Dragon Install; and my personal favorite, let Jianxin achieve Ultra Instinct and become borderline invincible.
It's a good time and you could earn roll currency, upgrade mats, even echo skins! Here's hoping it comes back for 1.4!
I love this game mode tbh. It allows me to use so many characters that i want to use in the abyss but can't use since i can only use 8 characters in floor 12. Also the elemental restrictions allows me to find out how well do my characters do when not in their best teams. Like I've always used al haitham in spread and hyperbloom but the last theatre forced me to try him on burgeon teams, and i was pleasantly surprised by the teams i could use with him. And being able to use one character from your friends is also great(wish it was 2). Because of that i am able to use kazuha or arleccino (whom i hate as a character but love the playstyle) often
It’s 22 characters over 3 elements. For full IT coverage, you’d need around 50 characters. That’s over half of the entire roster.
And for new players this is actually around 2 years yeah
I asked for it. I'm the asker. Genshin always needed horizontal investment catered endgame. Now we need coop endgame and game is complete.
For whales obviously 😂😂 isn't it meant to be casual players but no at the end they always needed money nothing new here
@@Sky-re2dw im no whale and got 10/10 my first time this cycle. it was annoying to feel pressure to use my resin to upgrade chars i didnt really care about or want to use, but now its done. every char i have is 60, ready to be ascended as the new cycles demand. ill be honest, im actually kinda glad about it. got a buncha standard pulls in, and 1600 per 4 week cycle is better than 1200. kinda fun working your jank ass characters thru it. but ive certainly had mixed feeling about it prior. i think its just an ar60 check for max rewards. finishing the hard mode with 8 stages isnt that tough to get to.
"and game is complete" holy cope .
As if they wouldn't fumble that too
@@johns783 I don't like raising characters I don't feel like to play/ harder to play I just want to have fun with it, I didn't care about any clears of these endgames cause I can just grind on other contents just focusing mostly on the story
Me too. It's not for new players. It's built for old players like me and is fun to try to conserve my good characters for later while choosing rooms I can beat (with stellar star) with only my weaker characters.
I love it. It's not for new players. It's built for old players like me and is fun to try to conserve my good characters for later while choosing rooms I can beat (with stellar star) with only my weaker characters.
Edit: I do agree that lowering Abyss resets sucks
I don't think it should be for newer players because it's endgame. Even then you're restricted in Abyss until you're more deeper into the game
But I'm glad to hear that you enjoy it :D
@@luke_at_my_artplus there are easier levels for the newer players - visionary isn't the only level that exists.
100% agree. As someone who played almost since the start and has difficulty fully cealering Abyss even now, because A. I'm ass at this game and B. My artifact luck is terrible this is way more fun than Abyss and just the right amount of difficulty for me. It feels sooo good that my years of playing finaly pay off.
The rewards from Abyss being split tho is still scummy from hoyo, as it just punishes new players, while it's them that should get more to possibly cach up to older ones, like in other gachas.
Ngl it honestly has improved a lot recently the last one was genuinely fun and amazing but what I feel made this current one feel bad was simply the fact it was geo which has a lot of useless characters which most people won’t have
Just the simplest of things could make this trash heap of a game mode better, like… NOT FORCING US TO USE 4 CHARACTERS. You can’t even fucking save characters for later, and it makes characters like Chev and Nilou completely useless unless you get lucky
6:47 it was made for gullible people who will spend 16k primos to complete a game mode that rewards 800 primos.
That just feels like every endgame mode tho
@@stuartpratuch7036
star rail - game allows me to do runs without full teams i can still get max reward if i clear
wuthering waves hologram/tower - game allows me to do runs without full teams i can still get max reward if i clear
spiral abyss - game allows me to do runs without full teams i can still get max reward if i clear
theater - NOPE, we're FORCING you to use full teams for all the fights so you have no choice but to mess up your vigor for your characters
@@stuartpratuch7036 finally somebody said it.
I mean genshin is creative unlike HSR or wuwa nowadays HSR forces you to pull all types of dps like erudition for pf, destruction for mc and hunt for as, also supports too bcs they are broken.@@adriandaliva1341
@@adriandaliva1341You can't get resonance buffs without full teams though.
only reason i really dont mind the character restriction is that getting stars doesnt give you anything, so you just need to finish the rooms to get the rewards
if i had to level up thee character and be mindfull of the time constrainds, i would be mad at this game mode, but since you just ned to lvel up stuff, as you said, you just need time, which honstly is the same for spyral abyss but to a lsseer extent
Yes it does, you cannot obtain the rewards unless you get full stars.
@@Sergmanny46no.
You get achievements from getting all stars
@@miscellaneous7777 that's a one time thing tho and it's only 20 primos
@@Sergmanny46nah. You can get all prinos just for clearing mode even with 0*.
Tbf altho i think most people know what u mean, u forgot to specify that u can still play the gamemode with less than 22 characters but just not the hardest mode (which sucks)
You summed it up perfectly. I can play normal mode SOMETIMES, not even close to hard mode. This shit sucks ass. Thing is, when I can play it I dumpster it cause its so easy. And normally with a bunch of character uses to spare so like why cant I go into the next mode?
Basically, just bring back the bi-weekly abyss and make this separate from abyss, that gives more rewards. If your gonna make us work more, then give us more
Poor newbie 😭
I am actually so happy about imaginarium theater. I am not a whale, more like welkin player, but i played so long that i have a lot of build characters that i just dont use anymore, so its fun to have a mode that forces me to use these characters and be creative with teams. Its obviously not for casuals or new players, but there are people like me who asked for something new 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah I'm in the same ball park. I've always been that one Genshin player who invested and experimented with any character that I liked (I built Dehya around the time people were hating her cause I like her nd I built Dori because I'm part of the 1% that likes her.)
So IT is likely meant for (1) horizontal investors and (2) long time players like me. It's not like the mode is so difficult that you need everyone perfectly optimized, either.
For this run, the only Geo characters that I have optimized were Navia, Zhongli, and Xilonen. Itto, Gorou, Albedo, and Noelle are all a espectable Lv.70 and have average artifacts. With a borrowed Ninguang and Chiori, I was able to go in with a full set of characters and clear all the stages in Visionary Mode.
Personally, I like having a game mode where I can actually use my other characters that I spent my free time building. And I like being forced to use characters and teams I never considered before. I get why some are dissappinted or even angry, but like you I'm happy with it so far.
I like the concept of the game mode. It is more about making functional teams with what you have which makes the strength of those teams far weaker than normal. Hence why the challenges are rather easy since most people are expected to be weaker than normal. It is meant for horizontal investment players that just collect a lot of characters.
The only thing I really dislike about it is that for people that can not fully access this mode it means that they get less rewards than before.
nah i'd horizontally invest.
jokes aside it hurts my soul that so many people hate this mode which i feel like is a by product of abyss conditioning players to invest vertically and not care as much about collection
i think IT is much more true to the collection aspect of gachas and as a mode has so much potential
it reminds me of a similar mode in my first dokkan
what i think genshin needs to take from them is having better rewards
for example imagine if the keys or medals they gave you could be turned in for a 4* of the elements of the current season.
or if you could spend them on resources like mora exp etc
Agreed
This mode is really fun and having to consider characters to build incase i am missing an element adds a lot of depth to my character building and pulling decisions,so i love it.
bro i’ve played since 2.6 and spent a little bit of money on welkin and battle passes and i still don’t have enough chars to do the highest level difficulty yet 😭
@@sw1ftrresources management issue
The hate come from the fact you can clear the abyss with both vertical or horizontal investment, IT is just horizontal, that doesnt even allow you to use less than 4 chars in the team to save resources for next challenge
Imagine you having to pull chars just to play this, imagine you having to waste resources in characters you dont like (mind you, resources in this game takes time) just to >join< the game mode, and in 99% of the time, the team doesnt even have synergy 😩
Thankfully IT enemies are wet paper, but it really doesnt make better to play when you're forced to level up units to LV 70 and play them naked
I'm someone who has horizontally invested, who meets the highest restrictions already, and I still despise the mode. Because it doesn't let me build toward a fun team. Instead, it encourages me to play the least good team possible that can still clear the mode. That "least good" thing is what determines the teams I play and the characters I pick from the choices given. Added to that, certain characters really want certain things to function. And the RNG hampers that.
This doesn't make a character like Xinyan fun for me. I have far more fun taking her into a regular domain.
Am I the only one who actually enjoy the imaginarium theater ?
I agree. But then I'm a day 1 player who has ~70 characters at level 90, with a lv 90 weapon and talent levels 9/9/9. I'm glad that I finally get to use the characters that aren't necessarily meta and I never bring in abyss. This way I still get to use them.
I do get that for newer players this game mode might suck ass though
I really enjoy it too, don't worry brother 🤝
The Theater gave me a reason to grind and use Resin again. I build 10 extra 4 Stars to LV 80 talents 8/8/8 other the last 5 months.
You are wrong for one thing. Specifically, here 7:43
You see, before you got 1200 primogems per month for fully clearing the abyss twice in a month. Now, in order to get the same amount, you still need to clear floor 12 of the abyss and only medium difficulty in the theater, for which you need only 12 characters of 3 specific elements at lvl 60, not even 70. Which is not hard to get at all. So if you care about having the same rewards as before, now it's even easier to get, and everything on top is a bonus reward.
The lowering of the Rewards was so they could add a third or fourth mode without giving too many resources, but it sucks right now because 2 gives the same amount.
i’d never thought about it that way, every cycle i would just build more characters that i didn’t want to build just for the rewards
Yeah, I built Xiangling to do that (bc i was going to build her anyway), then I got started on building other characters and realized... i was literally having to farm leylines EVERY OTHER DAY because of how many resources it needed. Yeah no, I'll focus on improving my artifacts to 36 star, maybe level up Ayato and Thoma for that burgeon team I've been dying to try out, and I'll just do whatever Imaginarium Theater lets me do. I'm not gonna focus on it, because raising so many characters to a mediocre level is literally bleeding my account dry
@@Error403HRD I'm seeing a lot of comments saying that the Imaginarium favoring horizontal investment is a good thing. I would agree, if not for the fact that the game itself doesn't incentivize that due to how limited resources are, up to and including the characters and weapons themselves.
Oh, you actually DO have a large pool of characters for Hard or Visionary Mode but they're not built? Well then, have fun FURTHER micromanaging when to build what character/weapon so that you don't get one-shot while doing 15 Phys damage. Oh, and you can't change equipment after you've confirmed your lineup. Enjoy.
@@SageRuffin Exactly! Even WHALES can't get passed the limited resources, so I can't see how this game mode is good for anyone (given that day one players breeze through it with ease because it's not actually difficult, while newer players likely don't have enough characters to even attempt it)
This game mode basically says you are forced to level 7 characters of every element minimum just to get the required number just to be allowed to enter. I’ve been playing this game for almost four years and I have maybe three characters of each element built at least half decent and I just downright refuse to level characters I don’t like just to participate on this
Accessibility is IT’s biggest issue because of elemental restrictions to even attempt the highest difficulty for max rewards
For me the only reason i can bare this mode is because i have 2 years worth of characters and the game mode forced me to finally build characters that i just had idling like Layla or Charlotte.
I can feel the pain of the players that just want the cisnetic rewards.
I am personally a fan of IT,sure it has issues(specifically too many restrictions) but i really enjoy my time playing it. I think it adds depth to your gameplay or team building when you have to account for having enough characters of every element built. So if your account is lacking geos you go and pull some geo units to make up for that,purely to not get messed up in the theater. I think its really interesting
@@K1ra_245 i feel IT adds to the resource management of the game both in and outside the mode
@@princemannic exactly! You have to account for having enough characters built of every element and it might make you pull or build characters you otherwise wouldn't
I like the theater. Considering it is an endgame mode, new players not being able to meet the requirements makes sense. I’m the type of player who naturally put some investment in my characters cause i genuinely don’t see a reason to never do that if they are your account, so I like having a reason to use them and a game mode that leans more towards planning ahead/understanding the characters rather than having perfect stats.
It is a bit of a shame though the abyss cycle changed though.
The resin system greatly affects this mode as well because to make the other characters in you party have a chance against these challenges, especially Visionary mode, you need multiple artifact sets. But you only get so much resin daily and it causes players to do so few domains. Plus the drop rate of getting good artifacts is abysmal.
2:03 It’s ok guys they only need to be level 7
my personal suggestion for this is to simply count constellations as characters except when you're adding bonus ones. this will limit the pool you get to characters you give a damn about while also incentivising you to build 4 stars, chances are your 5 stars will be at c0 unless you're really hardcore about favouritism and abyss and stuff, which is pretty much every long time player this gamemode was really intended for anyways.
watching this vid as im farming to reach lvl 70 on 4 different characters just so i can get visionary mode rewards on the next teather , i hate this sooooooooooooooo much😭
All I want is for them to combine Labyrinth Warriors (from 2.2) with parts of the Chasm quest (like with the rotating platforms and stuff) and potentially make it co-op.
My perspective as someone who likes it:
I’ve always been frustrated that building many characters doesn’t have any purpose. I collect every pyro character because I like the element, but most of them fill the same role of a main DPS. So I sit with my Yoimiya, Diluc, Yanfei, Hu Tao, Gaming, Klee, Lyney, Arlecchino, etc and only use a maximum of two of them for spiral abyss. I don’t like rerunning abyss just to play with weaker characters. I’m a meta player, so of course I’m only using Arlecchino and Hu Tao most of the time. But Imaginarium theater makes my effort of building *all* my characters feel much better. I had no reason to build non-meta before. Literally zero. So the core gameplay of genshin of raising characters to make better teams felt very wasted when I knew any resin spent on Yoimiya would be better spent on Arlecchino. It feels good to be able to use my many, many built characters who I pulled because I like them and raised because I like them. They are not top of the meta so I don’t use them in abyss, but they are all strong. This game mode was made for people like me who build characters because we like them while still caring about optimization, but who don’t just build and pull meta. Which is more people than you’d think.
My solution is lower the character requirement number and raise the number of times you can use each character by 1 so you can use each character in 3 chambers it won’t fix everything but it will at least allow more people to at least play the gamemode.
I am a person who has been engaging with the game throughout 3 years and I am a vertical investment cuz Genshin was always about that and now this mode completely fucked me up cuz it demands HORIZONTAL investment and riddle me this WHY TF WOULD I LEVEL UP THOMA IF I HAVE ZHONGLI AND NEVER HAD A NEED FOR HIM AND GET PUNISHED FOR THIS IN THIS VERY GAMEMODE. For building and playing whatever I want which is a mindset that Genshin pretty much encouraged this entire time
WHY DID THEY EVEN MAKE THE SPIRAL ABYSS 30 DAYS ANYWAY??
even as someone who slighty enjoys this gamemode, the exact same rewards for twice the work is diabolical.
i like how the mechanic forces you to use teams that may or may not work at all it's fun to me but jesus it is not worth the turmoil for not even a tenpull per month.
As someone that ALWAYS loses 5050 and goes to 160 pulls for any 5 star character I want, and someone that doesnt like leveling characters that i dont like to play, this game mode feels like nails on a chalkboard
The worse part is that i already have like 7 hyperinvested teams, but i cant even play them in IT due to element restriction and if i could, that rng to get the characters would make it awful
Aww don't cry, maybe you will get lucky next time
This endgame is actually catered for people who uses their resin diligently by building characters. Not build 2 teams and call it done. People are always complaining how easy SA is that they can clear it with 1 character each floor. Now with the HP buff on SA and the theatre, this gives you incentives for building up the characters you get.
Its all a ploy to get people to waste mpre time
It's the same amount of incentive for more amount of time, hoyo is the one winning not the player
@@anupambarua3407 i agree with you, however, I do think this endgame is healthy in the long run. I stopped playing genshin because there's no reason for me to farm if i have 4 teams rotating in SA and are able to clear it regularly. This mode actually made me think building characters isn't so bad anymore since now I have a reason to build them, this also is a test on how good you are at adapting since you won't get your units all in one go, and you can only use them twice, which opens up some interesting gameplay.
I do believe that the SA should reset twice a month still, and theatre could reset once at the beginning of the month.
I actually had to level characters I don't even use just to do the hardest difficulty, and this is coming from someone playing since patch 1.0. I don't pull for every single character, instead I vertically invest in the characters I like.
I've been completing Spiral Abyss since mid 2.something AND I done all Imaginerum Theatres and cuz of THAT I claim my RIGHT to complain: Those game-modes are not mechanicly hard, they are investment checks (and luck too). They are choirs we do, cuz primogems, which are VERY low for the effort
1:54 I might be misinterpreting, but I think you can bring in support characters from your friendlist for Visionary difficulty, I have been able to do so since the difficulty came out. I specifically save the C6 characters for the last two bosses
when they first introduced the game mode I got pretty pissed. As someone who first got into the game during Sumeru most of my characters built were hydro and dendro, and to a lessor extent pyro and electro. So immediately when the mode came out, it excluded those my two most built elements and I had to build entirely new teams.
ive been playing the game for nearly 2 years and dont have enough characters yet. at least for some elements.
The worst thing about it, is that they already have done roguelike modes in the past with events. They could have used those and it would have been perfectly fine. But no, they do this sort of thing that requires insane investment that even a lot of veterans may not have done.
Honestly when I first unlocked the Imaginarium I took one look at how it works and went, "Oh cool, anyway" and left and had not stepped foot in that location since.
Even with the Spiral Abyss having it's own problems at least it allows more of it's playerbase to even play it, not just veterans.
Came in prepared to defend IT a little, even if it's not my favorite and I recognize it's shortcomings. I'm the kind of person who just tries to see and argue both sides for the sake of having a complete discussion...but um, yep. I've got nothing.
explaining the last time shenhe ran like that actually blew my mind wtf lol
It should have a third mode, one where you can unlock side stories with characters like Amber, Dainsleif, Amber, the sibling, Amber, maybe Khanreah(forgot how to spell it) and Amber.
Do it Miyohoverse.
Oh hey! I remember seeing a video of u saying u quit genshin, but looking at ur channel it looks like you've been back for a while.
Welcome back! I hope u have a less toxic experience with the genshin community!
The theater is a pin for someone like me that has only been playing for a couple years and doesn't have a crap ton of maxed out characters. I just know finally have 5 level 90's
I did this estimate a long time ago so i dont remember it exactly but at minimum it takes about 2 weeks to build a character from level 0 at World Level 8 and that if you get really lucky with artifacts and also doesnt factor in needing mora or level up books
The issue with Imaginarium Theatre for me is that it’s the gamemode that’s supposedly supposed to have players use their brains and form teams that work well with a restricted selection of characters.
Yet it fails at its main premise, because I don’t think having characters like Faruzan or Gorou on an Arlecchino team is a good way to teach players how proper team building works, it’s mostly just random s**t go and hoping it works.
I do think it’s cool that you have restricted characters, it makes it more challenging, but the element restriction on top of the RNG and the fact that you need certain characters, alongside them needing to be a specific level to even use is pretty annoying sometimes.
I feel like there should be a illusive realm video. It’s practically has little investment needed to get the important rewards and is actually fun enough just to play it again for the sake of it. Genshin practically had this except you need a full team instead of a single character, but it still should’ve been the endgame except of this
Love having to lvl random dogwater characters to lvl 70 just to start
I think the concept is decent enough. I don't have the characters to play the hardest difficulty though. Depending on the cycle, it may be years before I have enough characters. Since I don't roll very often, chances are I'll never be able to complete the hardest difficulties. In addition, not only do you have to have units of specific elements, they generally have to have some kind of synergy with one another in some number of combinations. You can't use a unit more than twice unless you get an even card that gives a unit extra charges. I don't have the weapons to field every unit I own. I barely have enough to field 2 abyss teams. It becomes a game of resources, but ether people who've played for the past 3-4 years or whales have the resources to do it all. If they wanted to do a rogue like, they could've just made Labyrinth Warriors a permanent mode.
You said word for word my thoughts about it, i have played 2 and a half years genshin, i could barely clear it when there was hydro characters and found it incredably unreasonable when it made me pick cryo characters, that a normal player has probably less than 4 well built. And i wasnt about to build rosaria or mika.
I sleptwalk through every iteration of Imaginarium Theatre, until the last rotation because I only had 21 out of the 22 characters sufficiently leveled and built to participate for the Visionary difficulty.
And even then, I only really needed ONE character to clear the floors with ease, if only it would let me.
i hate the theater i could literally steamroll the theater in all its floors but I can't because i just don't build a lot of characters up
i usually focus only on the ones i like so the last 2 stage usually i cant do
I also dont like character limiting, its just straight up forcing people to spend more on game
gacha forcing you to spend more time and money?! no way! but seriously, can we stop using this as a reason to hate, in name of Christ, you are playing a glorified slot machine
Actually i came around and now i love that mode it encourages you to strategize you character picks and buff and gives some character you forgot about a chance to shine and forcing you to get out of your comfort zone without having artificial difficulty like the abyss but enemies have 900 million HP and have HP drain
the only downside to that mode being it requires players to have a lot of characters which is something most players wouldn't have but the target audience for that mode is older players who might sleep on some characters and team comps my account was super focused on three teams that could clear the abyss and now i realized the usefulness of some of my characters and the characters i built and enjoy using after the introduction of that mode includes
yaoya deyha haizu yanfai sucrose fischil jean ganyu shenhe freminet charlotte layla venti ayato yin jin gaming
And yes i went from having 20 million mora to having to farm mora leyline but i don't regret it because i have much more freedom in what team i want to play just because i got out of the mindset of just leveling and investing in the meta characters
I remember the first time I tried out imaginarium I got so frustrated I just gave up. If you play casually you'll never have enough things to go past normal mode and it sucks
I ignore imaginarium theater the way I ignore the TCG gamemode
I lile it. It forces you to build some mid tier characters and use them. Plus, of the 22 characters they give you 5 trial characters, so there's that also.
Ive been playing since launch. I may have 22 characters with a built up weapon, talents and artifacts at best.(2 of which are. Aloy and Qiqi so really 20) No shot I'm invested the time to build up characters I have no interest in for 800 primos. What's does that cost to purchase now? $15. So spend like 40 hrs grinding out to build characters or pay $15. Id just pay the 15 dollars if I was that pressed for the primos.
My biggest complaint is that the biggest reward is lackluster. I really don't like the echoes. They look very tacked on, doesn't look like it fits.
Would have preferred if it just made the whole body glow or just your weapon.
Or if it was just a special skin like how other games have bond skin earned through maxing out a character's bond.
my geo characters are yun jin, ninnguang, gorou and noelle all unbuilt. i don't have a single geo 5 star because those are exclusive to limited time banners. i skipped sumeru, so all my dendro characters are collei, mc and tighnari. in the case geo and dendro would run together, i would be expected to build all of them above level 70 and then do the same for *fifteen* characters of the same element. I'VE PLAYED AND SPENT ON THIS GAME FOR THREE YEARS BTW.
I was so confused, as someone who hasn't done many rotations. This entire time I just assumed that you could add friends and sub in any of their characters; making it less "You need to build dozens of characters" and more "You need friends who build a couple of characters". That would make sense. But I never added people on Genshin so....
Turns out it's only one, huh? Wow. This could've all been sidestepped by turning it into a collaborative roguelike and drive engagement by ensuring people keep their teams updated
The worst part is that hydro has only 3 4-stars and the hmc Candace without c6 is bad and hmc is always bad so most players would have 2 usable 4-star hydro units (the lucky ones get 3) and probably only up for to 3 5-star hydro units most likely being Yelan, Furina and Neuvillette.
The sad thing is, I would be the perfect person to play the Imaginarium Theater. I'm okay with the random elements, and I don't really care that much about strict meta. But I've been playing less than a year, and don't have enough built characters. Plus, I don't want to build every character I do have, and if I do, I won't use them outside of Theater. I already don't do Spiral Abyss because I don't like it, and now I feel locked out of something else.
If you want to raise the difficulty bar. That’s fine, but there has to be an equal reward for it. HIGH RISK?! TOP REWARD!
The fact that they almost did near perfect roguelike gameplay during the 2.3 patch.... and then made it limited lol.
how tf they made Simulated Universe and Elysian Realm enjoyable??? even i cannot clear the harder content? Even goddmn WuWa (another open world, mind you) has their own seasonal roguelike gameplay?
Just bring back the Labyrinth Warriors man...
There are still people who praise it for making you think about teams. It's a mode where you get random characters who won't synergize well enough to be a team. It doesn't even ask you to build 90% of them, just show up. The only Endgame in Genshin isn't even Abyss, it's 36 Stars. Any less and you can walk around in trash and complete it.
My problem with the Theater is the time limit. They should make it harder and then remove the time limit.
I play theatre on hard and pass decently easily even with my hand eye coordination problems, I love when people (even whales) tell me how useful my characters are it fills me with absolute pride (especially my Venti) but right now is probably the hardest theatre for me because I do not own a single 5 star Geo or electro character on my main account and I own 1 Pyro 5 star in the form of a C2 Dehya, one could say "oh why don't you pull on Xilonen or Chiori, why don't you use those 52800 primos to get any other characters from the roaster" well my friends I'm an autistic with a hyper focus on Venti and I missed his early rerun (I got him day one) and I am finally saving to C6 him! I cannot pull on any character banner until he is C6 as I want to start with the best chance of getting him C6 as I will be kicking off my Venti pulls with 75 pity and a guarantee for C2 Venti. Nothing and I mean nothing will away me (this is why I have 2 extra accounts they help me satiate, the gambling addiction) I will not stop until I have the best Venti in the world i am that determined. XD
The Imaginarium Theater, especially Visionary Mode, is the single biggest contributor to my Genshin Center planner being so horribly bloated. I used to pull characters almost exclusively for the Spiral Abyss with the general philosophy of "get two strong on-field DPSs per element plus Physical and their supports"...but the Imaginarium Theater has inflated that to "additionally get lots of characters that function well either or both on- and off-field like Xilonen so you can effectively beat an act regardless of your potentially messy team comp". While I'm very happy that some characters like Sucrose, my waifu, excel at both the Abyss and the Theater, I don't like feeling forced to raise someone like C6 Lynette-I'm not a fan of more "extreme" introverts and I find Sucrose significantly easier to play. (Disclaimer: If you like Lynette for whatever non-immoral reason, I'm not stopping you.)
The two main things I really don't like about it are the required element restrictions, and that you can't share your characters if they're in the starting line up. I'd prefer if it was fair game, and if they put mechanics related restrictions in instead and let us work out the details ourselves.
I personally don't mind a more horizontal investment based mode as someone who started horizontal and eventually went vertical, but with the way the restrictions are set up now I can see how it'd cause a lot of issues for people.
I do really love the atmosphere and music design that went into it though. The fight 3 OST and background for acts 7-10 are peak.
Edit: Also the ability to borrow a friend's character should be something that's used a lot more. It's an interesting way to let people try things that they haven't gotten the chance to before. I've already had some people commenting on how trying my characters have made them want that character/constellation.
I've been playing since day 1 and man this cycle is hard on me as I have barely any geo like 6 (With only 2 properly built). I had been skipping and investing vertically on characters I like.
But most annoying about IT is that I can't have a proper team at all. I have to pull for character I don't want and build characters I don't want.
TI isn't hard but it is annoying.
Meanwhile me, who leveled EVERY character on my account to 70+ for the 3 free "level up" wishes per chatacter: "idk I kinda like this mode."
Love your videos dude, can't wait for you to become a huge youtuber.
Even if sometime I disagree with him, he speaks his mind, and not in an asshole way like Tectone
As someone that loves this gamemode, I agree lowering the reward amount from abyss was a terrible idea and had they just given out more rewards (as would be expected from a gacha this old) everything would be fine. To me this gamemode is just a thank you for long term players, but it sucks that new players cach a stray in the process.
I also dont mind IT as a veteran player (OG kazuha haver on my Debut). I am looking forward to building Gaming and Sethos exactly for this reason.. Although it would be much more useful if IT just auto upgraded them to 90 with mid artifacts and investnent like Divergent universe. Building characters in genshin is just so much more troublesome than HSR.
Stop making good videos! Damn. Only been watching your vids this past week for me but every vid has been a great topic so far. As a returning player from roughly release, It's great to hear your perspective. Thank you. (Obviously please don't stop making videos)
Oh and side note - adventure rank 54 upon returning... I can't even start this game mode on the second difficulty.
I think its intended purpose was to address complaints of wanting something to use your characters on. Ofc, to say it missed the mark on that is an understatement - if anything thanks to its elemental restrictions I'm using the characters I want to use less often
As for a fix, it's pretty simple: remove the minimum to start the mode ... or reduce it down to like a team or two for even the highest difficulty. Let the reward for bringing more characters simply be not having to rely as much on getting vigor restores to clear
I’m AR 59 and have never had enough characters to play the Hard level of imaginarium theatre
i tried it once never again
the despair and betrayal i felt truly was something