Its still the same. Undermanned, under equipped and under funded. Our soldiers are doing the best with what we have but it's still the same. Almost 40 years later, nothing has changed.
@@hamster3171 when I got to Kandahar in 2007 I was issued a brand new 1951 Browning high power 9mm complete with packing grease and instructions.... the thing looked nice but I was happy to trade it in for my sig p226 :)
I was in the Canadian military when this report was made. Despite all the crap the CBC dug up, we still are the best trained and do more with the equipment we've got. Every time we got on training missions with our NATO Allies we out shine them all. Always have, always will.
21 years us army 82nd ABN and then 5th Special forces group nothing you cold understand even with your training you should stick to drinking beer and hockey
Well, I thank you for your service, but I stayed with the Canadian military after I lost 4 American members of my family in Viet Nam. It made me rethink about moving south, And I did spend 3 years in West Germany as a potential suicide soldier from 1978 to 1981.
I don't think in the history of man a government has so screwed its military and now you have another Trudeau you were better off under the British.This is what happens when you let your government disarm its people it thinks it owns you.
It's not like father like son, the Defense Minister is retired Lt. Col Harjit Sajjan, who was wounded in both Bosnia and Afghanistan, he's also a Sikh who was an advisor to the Americans in Afghanistan. They passed over a retired Lt. General who a Commander in Afghanistan. The Veterans Affairs Minister is a Paraplegic, he was shot in a drive by when he was a teen. So we'll just have to wait and see, but more than likely the CF-18 are coming home, but more JTF3 members will go over to train the Kurdish forces.
Thanks for this video! My dad was in 4 Wing ( he served 20 years 55-75) and I was born in Baden Baden. He loved it and says he never regrets joining up but says it was sad what they did to the Forces by the mid 70s. We went from one of the world best to a joke.
I was in Mr. Trudeau's navy in the mid 1970s. Our ships were completely unable to defend ourselves from supersonic aircraft or any kind of missile attack decades into the widespread deployment of both. I think that Pierre's idea was that if we didn't have a military, there would be no more wars. Maybe his son believes that too.
I served with the 2nd RCHA from 76 to 80 attatched to the Battle School in Gagetown.E Battery was stationed in Petawawa.I dont know much about the Petawawa group but the guys I served with were a great bunch. Ordinary men expected to do extrordinary jobs.Some of us pulled duty on the Iran/Iraq border when they were fighting.We kept the UN informed on the war as it happend. Others of us served in the Golan Heights keeping Israel and Syria apart in our M109's. We did our job well.
I was attached to the RCR Battle School in Petawawa in the late 80's and got to know a lot of 2 horse lads since their shacks were right behind the P-50 shack. We also used to share the same mess at P-104. I was in Gagetown for my phase training. I think we stayed in H-1 and H-3, although I can't be sure, it was over 30 years ago. lol
army is already crippled since a long time. The CF-18 are over 30 years old we don't even have attack helicopters for back up. Our armored vehicules are a joke and the Lav is dangerous as it can flip over and crush the driver and gunner at any moment in a curve.
Fred Leo2 and Abrams are of the same vintage and are considered the most formidable tanks in the world. If one is calling Leo 2 old, than they might as well call most of the tanks from the Western world old: Leclerc, Chieftan 2, Abrams etc as they are tanks contemporary to Leo 2. Also, there is no Leo 3 yet Similar to the tank-logic re design, one could say the M4 is old because the design and action is based upon a 1950s systems from Stoner. The current M4 differs from the M-16, from 50 years ago, in minor superficial ways only. I doubt many would consider the M4 old (or obsolete?) because of the original design. When the weapon design becomes noncompetitive because it can no longer harness upgrades than it's usefulness and practicality are obsolete and "old". Leo 2 is the back-bone used by many modern armies and has many modern upgrades-"old" seems misplaced at this point re Leo 2
It's entertaining that in 2020 we in the CAF are facing some of the same issues. Don't think its a coincidence that the Trudeau family is making the same mistakes.
Actually we were very good at what we did.The problem was with our outdated equipment.With that said the Canadians could still put as many rounds down range as the Americans any day of the week.We trained with all the worlds special forces teams. British SAS and Marines,Israel commando's, American SEAL's and Green Beret's,German GSG9 and many others. I have a British Marine shoudler patch and an 22 SAS cap badge. That I traded with them when we supported them on the Golan Heights.
No party has ever been good to the Forces. I was in during the seventies and the equipment was falling apart. Both parties promise lots but in the end deliver nothing
Wow. It’s 2024 and the CAF is still underfunded and undermanned. The similarities are still the same; 1. The current government thinks it’s helping out and it isn’t. 2. The opposition party thinks it can do better and it never does. 3. Only retired senior officers will speak out against what is bad and what needs to improve the CAF, but they don’t do it while they are in. If this news clip is around in 10 years I will predict that it will be the same, no matter who is in charge. Truly a sad situation.
44 years ago, and we are wishing it could be that good. I praise those men and women who toil in todays Canadian Armed Forces. To all Canadian military personnel, stay the course, it will get better.
On the plus side, we didn't have to do much to keep our weapons clean in the 80's. The only time they got dirty was if you spit on them yelling "BANG".
Agreed. So much has been wasted on unpopular social programs that benefit a small percentive of the population. Supporting our military serves all Canadians. Im with you.
been reading General Rick Hillier's(retired) book " A Soldier First" pretty good book, bit of a biography and a look at the system. I'd say give it a look.
@Max - it takes a lot longer to build aircraft, ships, subs, tanks, etc...than in WWII. Now it is come as you are...and we're weak, very weak (despite what officials will tell you)...except we have some decent Leopard IIs (only one version out of date v6 vs v7)...forget the rest. SAD.
True it was called the Fabrique National Canadian 1 or FNC1. We obtained a license to build them from the Belgians in 1955. Both good rifles but left you well bruised by the end of the day.
On wow, do I ever remember those dark years when Trudeau was the PM, but that doesn't compare to the dark years under Chretien. Why is it that when the Liberals are in power our military suffersÉ
They were using old and tired equipment that required more time and money to keep them operational.. Jeez, 30 years later and we still face the same problem. deja vu anyone?
My brother was in the regs in the 80's and i was in the reserves. We were both infantry and i admit the equipment were not the greatest but training was the best. They talk about the fnc1 being 27 year old but you can drag it through anything and it will still fire.
Talking to Navy and Marine Corps pilots about the difference between the CF-18 (the F-18C Model in US service) and the F/A-18 E/F is like comparing a 2000 Lexus (very nice and capable in her day and if well maintained still a nice ride) and a new Lexus. There is a BIG difference. And I agree...cancel the F-35. It's a money pit.
I am not sure if I understand well.. Yeah I am a French Canadian who still learn english -_-'.. But you are saying the CF-18 is like a old car and the F/A-18 a brand new car?
Canada is the best friend my country (USA) has!...I hope that doesn't offend some Canadians..don't worry...we are very different..but that doesn't make either of us evil..I admit we have treated Canada like a baby brother...but we still have much more in common than divisions..that may not please some Canadians or USAers...
+Fighting Force Best ally should be France not Brritain , Britain being our best ally make us look like an English colony, and we should get rid of the fucking and useless Queen which is a foreign one and make us look like a colony too. I'm fed up to see her ugly face on our dollars, that being said by a French Canadian .
France??? may have been something in Napoleon's day but wtf- WW1 they were fighting 19th century style, central command orders dispatched by runners, not even bright enough to use telephones. They had their butts saved by Britain, the Commonwealth nations & some help at the end by the US. They guaranteed WW2 by their insane demands on Germany at Versailles. When WW2 broke out they sat on the Maginot with their thumbs up their collective arses when Poland was attacked. They could've kicked Hitler's ass if they'd had some balls, crawled out of their WW1 holes & attacked them immediately with overwhelming superior numbers. It took them a little more than a month to get decimated when the shit hit the fan & capitulated ASAFP courtesy of pro fascist 5th column govt/military leaders as soon as Paris fell (without a fight). Then they took it up the butt as Vichy collaborators with the Nazi's, going so far as fighting against the Allies in North Africa while opposing their own Free French forces. I won't even discuss their Navy. Vietnam, they briefly let occupying Japanese soldiers run the country after WW2 till they could get organized take over & get their butts kicked yet again. Not to forget the shit storm of Algeria & their death squads, even on home turf. BTW, Israel says thanks France for all the help developing their nuclear weapons. How about the Libya debacle when they pushed hard to overthrow Gaddafi for gold/oil & started the fight a tad early without informing their partners in crime, (w/Canada included as a guilty party). That sure freed up a lot of weapons & terrorists to fuel the fire in Syria (another ex-French colony). Best ally??? Maybe if France had French Canadian soldiers running the show they might be trustworthy & more competent but I wouldn't depend nor trust France for anything military.
correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the NATO obligation 2% of GDP to be spent on the military, currently isn't Canada only spending 1.4% of GDP on military which is actually an increase from what it was spending prior to 2005.
We should have gone with the FN SCAR. It is a vastly superior wepon system.We have been going with the Americans handmedowns since the 50's and this has got to stop.We need wepons as good as our training is.
No question that the FN-SCAR is a superior weapon, but I feel that in the time when Canada selected the M-16 (C7 &C8), they picked what they felt was the best weapon for their money, given the limited budgets. I feel for you Canadian servicemen/women now more than ever with the inept leadership from Trudeau.
Why it it that when alot of other NATO countries were also using the F 104, Canada was chastised for still using it. Most of the equipment we used in this video was being used by other NATO members as well. At the time of this documentary I would say the RCN was the worst off of the 3 services.
CBC has advertising that does allow them to break even. On the F35 I don't know if you work for DND or know anyone who does, but if you ask majority of our soldiers and airmen don't want this air plane. In my heart of hearts we should just get the Euro fighter for now. One option for Canada would be too pool money and resources with the UK,Australia and New Zealand on a single military budget for all 4 of our countries. We would have the 3rd largest military on earth!
Ahhem. The Canadian Army is, equipment wise, in very good standing. The new uniforms being to be delivered shortly. C7A2s are up to date. Leopard 2s having just arrived. New mid sized support trucks recieved in the last years. TAPVs replacing the G-Wagens(which are in use in many countries like australia, germany) New APCs to replace the LAVs(up to date) Air Force(from my view) is in decent standing. 1st batch of F35 is to be delivered to Canada. The Navy, however, is in need of new materiel.
Most of our soldiers come in as very decent people. But like any military you get trained to be agressive.It's what keeps you alive on the battlefield.
Very true but we went into many combat situations from 64-83. We often came under enemy fire that was using more modern wepons. If it hadn't been for our superior training we would have died.Due to our lack of modern tech at the start of the Afghan conflict.We couldn't always communicate with the American forces. Which resulted in 6 Canadian soldiers being killed by friendly fire. Trudeau was the worst on us for military funding.
The canadian military needs more than 65 f-35's in the modern day but goddamn society would never let it happen. Our military still needs a larger budget and more troops!!!!!!!
I am a liberal but I do support building are armed forces up big time. However, the govt would have to give Canadians say on defence policy and foreign policy. Canada's military should only act on wishes of the people. Just as the military did in Rome and Greece. With the internet Canadians will be getting say on policy in the future! I love our CBC its uniquely Canadian.
One thing I can agree on friendo. I would love a 3-5 year minimum military service from all males (females encouraged) at the age of 18. Giving the option to go into university/college with the military. (I am 17 BTW, planning to enlist) I think it would teach the younger generations a lesson hahaha, things are changing to much!
He actually cut the defence budget significantly. Given he put the federal government into defecit after inheriting a surplus from Martin what choice did he have.
I believe the proof of the best man of character is Harper,all you need to do is to look at how reckless he is with taxpayer's money,the prime ministers residence is just one of the many example's,Harper lived in it ;however it's not suitable for king justin without million's in renovations.
It's definitely better today, but still, who are we expected to fight in the future? Or are we setting ourselves up to fight, just to get new toys? It's sad when what stuff we get to fight with overshadows our willingness to find peaceful solutions.
true, but still I don't think we should cut one to make the other better, we should be able to find a balance, I personally think our military deserves to have a little more money pumped into it, but from what ive seen and heard the government is already doing that, you can't forget about what makes Canada...well Canada, our country takes care of its people, and thats the most important thing.
I was a soldier for short time, a rifleman and a gunner at two different times. I saw officers return from the field at Petawawa with swastikas grease penciled on their Iltis headlights and jungle boots. This FOO and his party were known in the reg't as the "Aryan OP". Doing weapons maintenance after the exercise I'd hear whermacht marching music blaring from the ghetto blaster. A master bombadier just back from Germany invited me to join his "aryan club". Yes, I'm so proud of our military.
Chippy Tucker Ordered the most checkered and expensive jet in aerospace history, we could easily have cutting edge eurofighters or rafeals but nope, gotta have the government purchase the craft instead of ACTUAL AIR FORCE PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW THE F-35 IS A HUNK OF JUNK.
+shimavitz47 ah ok et tu parle francais. Moi aussi je fais quelque fautes de frappe car j'utilise un smartphone et la je parle en français et j'ai le clavier anglais qui corrige mes mots français à un nouveau en anglais que j"ai même pas écris lol et vice versa j'écris en anglais et j'ai le clavier français et ça corrige mes mots anglais en français. Comme pour ce message en français , j'ai du changer car j'avais le clavier anglais lol. Je hais les claviers sur smartphone. Cheers :)
Back then we wouldn't have stood a chance. Warsaw Pact/USSR fighters would easily eliminate the (C)F-104s, and the Warsaw pact/USSR ground forces could wipe out the ground forces in Southern Germany.
yes i remember the pay freeze, using old equipment, lack of modern equipment, steel pot helmets, plastic fragile c-7 mags, and a small embarrassing defence budget. Oh and the military was slightly smaller.
The CF 104's. LOLOL They could fare o.k. in a straight forward bombing run, yet were almost impossible to turn at high speeds. We got a real deal when we sold them to the Turks for $1 apiece. They flew them for a while but the truth is they used them all for target practice for their newer aircraft.
The US sold the f-18 hornet to Canada. An excellent plane. They did not even offer those to the UK. No matter what Americans do for Canadians they will ALWAYS cry FOUL against us. You cannot with with the people to the North.
Our Military has advanced more from 2001 - 2013 then it did from 1945 - 2000. The Afghan mission has made our Military one of the most advanced in the world.
It was a heavy bitch , kicked like a mule and the gas tube fouled all the time and had no optics. On the other hand it would hit with a punch at 3-4 times the range 5.56 would. If you used modern optics, got rid of the wood and better powder it would still be worth dragging around.
Assault rifles are still fired single shot during attacks. Though they have auto-fire capability, they are better to fire in repetition/semi-auto than in full auto in many more situations than the opposite. The reporter was completely wrong and way out to lunch at 5:27-5:37. FN's are superior to C7's in many ways(more powerful/more accurate/greater range). But C7s are still the better choice for various reasons, just not the reasons highlighted by this reporter.
it's been thrity years since this program aired.... and guess what not much has changed with the goverenment, and the way they deal with the forces. Yeah they make big speaches about rebuilding the forces, and giving them the best equimpoent out there... But ask anyone of are solider's and they will tell you a different. But you got to respect them because they go out knowing this and get the job done. Don't know any other military forces out there that would do this.
+Ikejo Mitsuki No, don't be worried. Canada's armed forces may be small, and sure, a liberal government may not show the same muscle as Harper has done, but remember, you are not serving the government of Canada -- but the Monarch and the People. Best of Luck!
It's not much different with Harper. Some examples: the crazy multibillion F-35 "Widowmaker 2.0" program, the 4 junk submarines (they keep blaming the Liberals for having acquired them a looooong time ago, instead of buying new decent submarines), the hyper-expensive, super-delayed and failed Cyclone helicopters, the never built and overpriced super-delayed new frigates, icebrakers, etc, etc... In 8 years he has done almost nothing for the forces. In addition to that this government seems to consider our soldiers disposable once they are not useful as cannon folder anymore. Harper is all talk and no walk.
Exactly! Harper sais he loves the military and makes these promises. Thing is to the average person, It seems like he is actually doing allot for the military when behind the covers its all a ploy and false promises. Our defence budget keeps getting slashed over and over, that why im voting liberal next election. Our military will NEVER get to this state again, the public wont allow it. Thing is Justin Trudeau is not his father, and I belive he woud do a better job.
Paul John Vote how ever you wish, BUT if you expect a change for the better for the military.....it will not happen. The Liberals will decimate the military. That is what they have always done. The Conservatives will spend the least amount of money they can to retain a voice in NATO, but they will spend some. Justin Trudeau is a true Liberal, he hates the military and all it stands for. If you really care about the military, there is no right answer, only the least wrong answer.
CF80TO01 You are so wrong. The Conservatives first loyalty is to the U.S. Pentagon, and they will send Canadian soldiers to fight U.S. and British wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and maybe even Iran. Under the Conservatives, Canadian soldiers will be used as cannon fodder to sustain George Bush's foolish, beligerent wars in the Middle East, where they be used to prop up corrupt, barbaric militias and governments; Canadian soldiers will be used to train local people how to better kill and slaughter each other in these failed states. When the demoralized and defeated soldiers return, they will be denied pensions and treatment for their traumas and treated like dirt as the Conservatives recruit more cannon fodder for U.S. wars. It's time to examine where our political leaders did right by our soldiers in assigning them clear objectives: is it in Liberal peacekeeping assignment in the Suez crisis, in Cyprus in the 1970's, and in Kosovo and Bosnia in the 1990's? Is it in Afghanistan in the 2000's? Is it training barbaric militias to better slaughter each other In Iraq and Syria? I think the answer is clear. Canadians are way better peacekeepers than conquering armies and fighting nasty civil wars in Syria and Iraq. Allowing the Conservatives to lead Canada blindly into wars that cannot be won is the worst thing ever for the Canadian military.
Guy Souriandt There is one problem with your comment.....peacekeeping requires well equipped and well trained war fighters. It isn't enough to simply say Canadian soldiers should only peace keep.....to do it effectively they must be trained and equipped to fight. Soldiers who are not equipped and trained properly will die.
same shit brah, C1/C2 is just like saying Canadian model 1, Canadian model 2, so its the same gun..just the Canadian model...and those guns might have been alright at the time, considering what the states was using, but I'd say our newer weapons are better, otherwise we'd still be using the older weapons system.
and guess what Canada's solution to this was? Shut it down! Stop talking about what the military does. So nowadays we have no idea what our army is doing.
Cold war is over yes but we still have a commitment to NATO. Also this spending creates thousands of jobs for Canadians. What about the dreams of young Canadians such as myself to be involved in something greater than struggling to pay bills. Military is not only needed for war but peace. The world is simply not yet at a point in which we no longer need armies. Not to mention military spending promotes scientific progress.
we reserve the right to use something we don't have? We will ask another country to borrow some if needed? :P We just follow the Us in a blind way like the good little Us brother we are because we don't have any other choice anyway ^^ We are so depending of the Us for our defense that it's getting ridiculous. Our anti-missile system is pretty much non-existant. If a country like Russia or China would come to invade the Usa they would arrive from Canada first because it's unprotected.
Your'e right they weren't ours but Us ones. We had them in our possessions in storage in case of an event in canadian military base. I got to visit where they used to be on a particular base a few years ago.
Canadian military budget should be at minimum 2% of GDP as what the NATO treaty states when it was signed. We have dropped to 1% in the 90's.. fucking pathetic.. In the end it comes down to do we keep to our NATO agreement, a small airfield some of which are already existing with 10 Liaison troops a few cargo containers with ammunition, medical supplies etc. Is a small cost for what it brings. 7 small bases around the world is a small price compared to the symbolism and use of it if necessary.
Its still the same. Undermanned, under equipped and under funded. Our soldiers are doing the best with what we have but it's still the same. Almost 40 years later, nothing has changed.
We still use 1930’s pistols
@@matthewmantee195 I think they built new pistols but the same model from the 1930s
@@viden8658no, some batch are from ww2 era
@@hamster3171 when I got to Kandahar in 2007 I was issued a brand new 1951 Browning high power 9mm complete with packing grease and instructions.... the thing looked nice but I was happy to trade it in for my sig p226 :)
@@1970swimmer lol, it probably actually worked
I was in the Canadian military when this report was made. Despite all the crap the CBC dug up, we still are the best trained and do more with the equipment we've got. Every time we got on training missions with our NATO Allies we out shine them all. Always have, always will.
21 years us army 82nd ABN and then 5th Special forces group nothing you cold understand even with your training you should stick to drinking beer and hockey
Well, I thank you for your service, but I stayed with the Canadian military after I lost 4 American members of my family in Viet Nam. It made me rethink about moving south, And I did spend 3 years in West Germany as a potential suicide soldier from 1978 to 1981.
I don't think in the history of man a government has so screwed its military and now you have another Trudeau you were better off under the British.This is what happens when you let your government disarm its people it thinks it owns you.
It's not like father like son, the Defense Minister is retired Lt. Col Harjit Sajjan, who was wounded in both Bosnia and Afghanistan, he's also a Sikh who was an advisor to the Americans in Afghanistan. They passed over a retired Lt. General who a Commander in Afghanistan. The Veterans Affairs Minister is a Paraplegic, he was shot in a drive by when he was a teen. So we'll just have to wait and see, but more than likely the CF-18 are coming home, but more JTF3 members will go over to train the Kurdish forces.
And what have you done with your live beside still living in your parents basement?
And nothing has changed
Bruh even your here
Thanks for this video! My dad was in 4 Wing ( he served 20 years 55-75) and I was born in Baden Baden. He loved it and says he never regrets joining up but says it was sad what they did to the Forces by the mid 70s. We went from one of the world best to a joke.
I served for 36 years starting in 1979. We had a lot of hard times brought on by the governments, Service members died because of government neglect.
I was in Mr. Trudeau's navy in the mid 1970s. Our ships were completely unable to defend ourselves from supersonic aircraft or any kind of missile attack decades into the widespread deployment of both. I think that Pierre's idea was that if we didn't have a military, there would be no more wars. Maybe his son believes that too.
The Starfighter shots were taken at 441 Sqn, I recognised most of the groundcrew shown.
I served with the 2nd RCHA from 76 to 80 attatched to the Battle School in Gagetown.E Battery was stationed in Petawawa.I dont know much about the Petawawa group but the guys I served with were a great bunch. Ordinary men expected to do extrordinary jobs.Some of us pulled duty on the Iran/Iraq border when they were fighting.We kept the UN informed on the war as it happend. Others of us served in the Golan Heights keeping Israel and Syria apart in our M109's. We did our job well.
I was attached to the RCR Battle School in Petawawa in the late 80's and got to know a lot of 2 horse lads since their shacks were right behind the P-50 shack. We also used to share the same mess at P-104. I was in Gagetown for my phase training. I think we stayed in H-1 and H-3, although I can't be sure, it was over 30 years ago. lol
Loving the round 2 of the Trudeau government crippling our army.
army is already crippled since a long time. The CF-18 are over 30 years old we don't even have attack helicopters for back up. Our armored vehicules are a joke and the Lav is dangerous as it can flip over and crush the driver and gunner at any moment in a curve.
Lav 6 is our only good vehicle !
Leopard 2 is 30 years old now
Bro... Leo 2A Mark 6 is what Canada runs .... started up in the early 2000s and are not 30 years old.
They are VERY capable and modern
They are an modern update of an old tank. Capable yes, but still old. Like our cf18.
Fred
Leo2 and Abrams are of the same vintage and are considered the most formidable tanks in the world.
If one is calling Leo 2 old, than they might as well call most of the tanks from the Western world old: Leclerc, Chieftan 2, Abrams etc as they are tanks contemporary to Leo 2.
Also, there is no Leo 3 yet
Similar to the tank-logic re design, one could say the M4 is old because the design and action is based upon a 1950s systems from Stoner. The current M4 differs from the M-16, from 50 years ago, in minor superficial ways only. I doubt many would consider the M4 old (or obsolete?) because of the original design.
When the weapon design becomes noncompetitive because it can no longer harness upgrades than it's usefulness and practicality are obsolete and "old". Leo 2 is the back-bone used by many modern armies and has many modern upgrades-"old" seems misplaced at this point re Leo 2
That male newscaster at 0:40 reminds of Ron Burgundy without the mustache. Even talks like him too.
Keith Morrison. Step father to the late Matthew Perry.
It's entertaining that in 2020 we in the CAF are facing some of the same issues. Don't think its a coincidence that the Trudeau family is making the same mistakes.
Actually we were very good at what we did.The problem was with our outdated equipment.With that said the Canadians could still put as many rounds down range as the Americans any day of the week.We trained with all the worlds special forces teams. British SAS and Marines,Israel commando's, American SEAL's and Green Beret's,German GSG9 and many others. I have a British Marine shoudler patch and an 22 SAS cap badge. That I traded with them when we supported them on the Golan Heights.
No party has ever been good to the Forces. I was in during the seventies and the equipment was falling apart. Both parties promise lots but in the end deliver nothing
Is that the same David Nearing from Cornwallis class 7636?
Those leopards were the same ones we used in the beginning of Afghanistan.
After they we pried off of their pedestals as gate guards.
Wow. It’s 2024 and the CAF is still underfunded and undermanned. The similarities are still the same;
1. The current government thinks it’s helping out and it isn’t.
2. The opposition party thinks it can do better and it never does.
3. Only retired senior officers will speak out against what is bad and what needs to improve the CAF, but they don’t do it while they are in.
If this news clip is around in 10 years I will predict that it will be the same, no matter who is in charge.
Truly a sad situation.
At around 9 minutes in the narrator talks of anti-aircraft guns, taken from HMCS Bonaventure (carrier). Interesting!
They are on Canada's minesweepers. I used to see the fitters working on them. They looked like a lot of work.
01:22 That guy looks like a South Park character rather than a technician of an air force
ah yes the famous or infamous McKenna brothers doing another hit piece on the Canadian military..uniformed as usual..
44 years ago, and we are wishing it could be that good. I praise those men and women who toil in todays Canadian Armed Forces. To all Canadian military personnel, stay the course, it will get better.
On the plus side, we didn't have to do much to keep our weapons clean in the 80's. The only time they got dirty was if you spit on them yelling "BANG".
Agreed. So much has been wasted on unpopular social programs that benefit a small percentive of the population. Supporting our military serves all Canadians. Im with you.
My career consisted of forty years of reductions. The worst time was the Dark Decade of the 1990s which was marked by abysmal senior leadership.
Still have to deal with abysmal senior leadership
Looks like it’s happening all over again
Thank-you from Ansbach 1st Armored Division US Army Headquarters 77-80.
I don't understand, what do people have against reservists?
The F-104 was called the widowmaker in Germany. 296 of 916 machines got lost. 116 pilots died.
6:55 "fuck" ?
been reading General Rick Hillier's(retired) book " A Soldier First" pretty good book, bit of a biography and a look at the system. I'd say give it a look.
Our army air force and navy suck in peace time but the in time of war we kick ass.
@Max - it takes a lot longer to build aircraft, ships, subs, tanks, etc...than in WWII. Now it is come as you are...and we're weak, very weak (despite what officials will tell you)...except we have some decent Leopard IIs (only one version out of date v6 vs v7)...forget the rest. SAD.
What a great chunk of history that seems so familiar.
True it was called the Fabrique National Canadian 1 or FNC1. We obtained a license to build them from the Belgians in 1955. Both good rifles but left you well bruised by the end of the day.
01:45 powerful imagery with the CF-18 taxiing past the old T-33.
On wow, do I ever remember those dark years when Trudeau was the PM, but that doesn't compare to the dark years under Chretien. Why is it that when the Liberals are in power our military suffersÉ
They were using old and tired equipment that required more time and money to keep them operational.. Jeez, 30 years later and we still face the same problem. deja vu anyone?
My brother was in the regs in the 80's and i was in the reserves. We were both infantry and i admit the equipment were not the greatest but training was the best. They talk about the fnc1 being 27 year old but you can drag it through anything and it will still fire.
Talking to Navy and Marine Corps pilots about the difference between the CF-18 (the F-18C Model in US service) and the F/A-18 E/F is like comparing a 2000 Lexus (very nice and capable in her day and if well maintained still a nice ride) and a new Lexus. There is a BIG difference. And I agree...cancel the F-35. It's a money pit.
I am not sure if I understand well.. Yeah I am a French Canadian who still learn english -_-'..
But you are saying the CF-18 is like a old car and the F/A-18 a brand new car?
+Kuhaku Salut Ie canadien français. Moi aussi j'en suis un, du Québec. Cheers
Canada is the best friend my country (USA) has!...I hope that doesn't offend some Canadians..don't worry...we are very different..but that doesn't make either of us evil..I admit we have treated Canada like a baby brother...but we still have much more in common than divisions..that may not please some Canadians or USAers...
+disoriented1 Canada's best ally is Great Britain, Proven by the past.
Rethinking it..you're right...the UK is ours as well!
+Fighting Force Best ally should be France not Brritain , Britain being our best ally make us look like an English colony, and we should get rid of the fucking and useless Queen which is a foreign one and make us look like a colony too. I'm fed up to see her ugly face on our dollars, that being said by a French Canadian .
France??? may have been something in Napoleon's day but wtf- WW1 they were fighting 19th century style, central command orders dispatched by runners, not even bright enough to use telephones. They had their butts saved by Britain, the Commonwealth nations & some help at the end by the US. They guaranteed WW2 by their insane demands on Germany at Versailles. When WW2 broke out they sat on the Maginot with their thumbs up their collective arses when Poland was attacked. They could've kicked Hitler's ass if they'd had some balls, crawled out of their WW1 holes & attacked them immediately with overwhelming superior numbers. It took them a little more than a month to get decimated when the shit hit the fan & capitulated ASAFP courtesy of pro fascist 5th column govt/military leaders as soon as Paris fell (without a fight). Then they took it up the butt as Vichy collaborators with the Nazi's, going so far as fighting against the Allies in North Africa while opposing their own Free French forces. I won't even discuss their Navy. Vietnam, they briefly let occupying Japanese soldiers run the country after WW2 till they could get organized take over & get their butts kicked yet again. Not to forget the shit storm of Algeria & their death squads, even on home turf. BTW, Israel says thanks France for all the help developing their nuclear weapons. How about the Libya debacle when they pushed hard to overthrow Gaddafi for gold/oil & started the fight a tad early without informing their partners in crime, (w/Canada included as a guilty party). That sure freed up a lot of weapons & terrorists to fuel the fire in Syria (another ex-French colony). Best ally??? Maybe if France had French Canadian soldiers running the show they might be trustworthy & more competent but I wouldn't depend nor trust France for anything military.
Trudeau Sr ruined the Forces then, Trudeau Jr is currently continuing daddys legacy.
correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the NATO obligation 2% of GDP to be spent on the military, currently isn't Canada only spending 1.4% of GDP on military which is actually an increase from what it was spending prior to 2005.
It’s not the forces fault it’s the government
"Do more with less" more like "do everything with nothing"
"22 years old cf-104" because back then, it was wrong to keep a fighter plane for so long in active service. Then there is today.
“401 Sqn: Flying Yesterday’s Aircraft-Tomorrow!”
We should have gone with the FN SCAR. It is a vastly superior wepon system.We have been going with the Americans handmedowns since the 50's and this has got to stop.We need wepons as good as our training is.
No question that the FN-SCAR is a superior weapon, but I feel that in the time when Canada selected the M-16 (C7 &C8), they picked what they felt was the best weapon for their money, given the limited budgets. I feel for you Canadian servicemen/women now more than ever with the inept leadership from Trudeau.
Why it it that when alot of other NATO countries were also using the F 104, Canada was chastised for still using it. Most of the equipment we used in this video was being used by other NATO members as well. At the time of this documentary I would say the RCN was the worst off of the 3 services.
Who else heard the guy say "fuck!" At 7:00?
its at 6:53 lol i kept listening to 7:00 over and over for it
Whoops, your right
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CBC has advertising that does allow them to break even. On the F35 I don't know if you work for DND or know anyone who does, but if you ask majority of our soldiers and airmen don't want this air plane.
In my heart of hearts we should just get the Euro fighter for now. One option for Canada would be too pool money and resources with the UK,Australia and New Zealand on a single military budget for all 4 of our countries. We would have the 3rd largest military on earth!
Ahhem. The Canadian Army is, equipment wise, in very good standing. The new uniforms being to be delivered shortly. C7A2s are up to date. Leopard 2s having just arrived. New mid sized support trucks recieved in the last years. TAPVs replacing the G-Wagens(which are in use in many countries like australia, germany) New APCs to replace the LAVs(up to date)
Air Force(from my view) is in decent standing. 1st batch of F35 is to be delivered to Canada.
The Navy, however, is in need of new materiel.
2020.dark years...still in them
Most of our soldiers come in as very decent people. But like any military you get trained to be agressive.It's what keeps you alive on the battlefield.
Very true but we went into many combat situations from 64-83. We often came under enemy fire that was using more modern wepons. If it hadn't been for our superior training we would have died.Due to our lack of modern tech at the start of the Afghan conflict.We couldn't always communicate with the American forces. Which resulted in 6 Canadian soldiers being killed by friendly fire. Trudeau was the worst on us for military funding.
The canadian military needs more than 65 f-35's in the modern day but goddamn society would never let it happen. Our military still needs a larger budget and more troops!!!!!!!
Amazing how history has repeated it self
C1 was a great weapon. Should return it with upgrades though.
what year is this report from?
I am a liberal but I do support building are armed forces up big time. However, the govt would have to give Canadians say on defence policy and foreign policy. Canada's military should only act on wishes of the people. Just as the military did in Rome and Greece. With the internet Canadians will be getting say on policy in the future! I love our CBC its uniquely Canadian.
22 year-old starfighters? Now we have 45 year-old Hornets
One thing I can agree on friendo. I would love a 3-5 year minimum military service from all males (females encouraged) at the age of 18. Giving the option to go into university/college with the military. (I am 17 BTW, planning to enlist) I think it would teach the younger generations a lesson hahaha, things are changing to much!
Who the hell is going to pay for that?
This is true. I don't think we will go back too far but the spending has been cut a lot.
sooo lets have a new liberal or ndp govt and decimate the forces....
Little did you know...
It has been said that Pierre Trudeau was in contact with the Warsaw Pact HQ.
Indeed. I was an amazing shot with those imaginary rounds. I carried an SMG and could easily kill an imaginary guy/enemy force at 300m.
With Harper were ready, without Harper were in trouble.
He actually cut the defence budget significantly. Given he put the federal government into defecit after inheriting a surplus from Martin what choice did he have.
I believe the proof of the best man of character is Harper,all you need to do is to look at how reckless he is with taxpayer's money,the prime ministers residence is just one of the many example's,Harper lived in it ;however it's not suitable for king justin without million's in renovations.
+thomas white the renovations were being discussed before the election.
Yes ,but Harper and his family were fine with living there,not like Trudea.
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It was a dark age because it was just before we got new equipment.
It's definitely better today, but still, who are we expected to fight in the future? Or are we setting ourselves up to fight, just to get new toys? It's sad when what stuff we get to fight with overshadows our willingness to find peaceful solutions.
I never got a bruise maybe you were holding it too tight?
true, but still I don't think we should cut one to make the other better, we should be able to find a balance, I personally think our military deserves to have a little more money pumped into it, but from what ive seen and heard the government is already doing that, you can't forget about what makes Canada...well Canada, our country takes care of its people, and thats the most important thing.
I was a soldier for short time, a rifleman and a gunner at two different times. I saw officers return from the field at Petawawa with swastikas grease penciled on their Iltis headlights and jungle boots. This FOO and his party were known in the reg't as the "Aryan OP". Doing weapons maintenance after the exercise I'd hear whermacht marching music blaring from the ghetto blaster. A master bombadier just back from Germany invited me to join his "aryan club". Yes, I'm so proud of our military.
We still use the CF-18
+shimavitz47 Harper did order new modern jets, but now with a Liberal Government, no telling when, or if we will actually get them at all.
Chippy Tucker Ordered the most checkered and expensive jet in aerospace history, we could easily have cutting edge eurofighters or rafeals but nope, gotta have the government purchase the craft instead of ACTUAL AIR FORCE PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW THE F-35 IS A HUNK OF JUNK.
+shimavitz47 Rafeals ? Learn your French it's Rafales
Max Headroom C'est une faute de frappe mon ami.
+shimavitz47 ah ok et tu parle francais. Moi aussi je fais quelque fautes de frappe car j'utilise un smartphone et la je parle en français et j'ai le clavier anglais qui corrige mes mots français à un nouveau en anglais que j"ai même pas écris lol et vice versa j'écris en anglais et j'ai le clavier français et ça corrige mes mots anglais en français. Comme pour ce message en français , j'ai du changer car j'avais le clavier anglais lol. Je hais les claviers sur smartphone. Cheers :)
Everyone talkin about if Canada is ready for war
Nobody talking about how Iceland is in nato but isn’t even have an actual military
Back then we wouldn't have stood a chance. Warsaw Pact/USSR fighters would easily eliminate the (C)F-104s, and the Warsaw pact/USSR ground forces could wipe out the ground forces in Southern Germany.
1:22 Tactical Toque
yes i remember the pay freeze, using old equipment, lack of modern equipment, steel pot helmets, plastic fragile c-7 mags, and a small embarrassing defence budget. Oh and the military was slightly smaller.
The CF 104's. LOLOL They could fare o.k. in a straight forward bombing run, yet were almost impossible to turn at high speeds.
We got a real deal when we sold them to the Turks for $1 apiece. They flew them for a while but the truth is they used them all for target practice for their newer aircraft.
The US sold the f-18 hornet to Canada. An excellent plane. They did not even offer those to the UK. No matter what Americans do for Canadians they will ALWAYS cry FOUL against us. You cannot with with the people to the North.
Quite unfortunately,CBC had no idea what the 1990s would be to the CF...
Our Military has advanced more from 2001 - 2013 then it did from 1945 - 2000. The Afghan mission has made our Military one of the most advanced in the world.
CF-18 was a modern aircraft during that time, but now, we want to put the CF018 away and get F-35.
F-35's are Garbage. I'll take a Swedish Gripen over those!
F-22 ftw
It was a heavy bitch , kicked like a mule and the gas tube fouled all the time and had no optics. On the other hand it would hit with a punch at 3-4 times the range 5.56 would. If you used modern optics, got rid of the wood and better powder it would still be worth dragging around.
Well, at least we now have relatively modern armour, and 155mm artillery now again.
This comment is coming to you 10 years in the future.
The Leo2A6M agrees.
Assault rifles are still fired single shot during attacks. Though they have auto-fire capability, they are better to fire in repetition/semi-auto than in full auto in many more situations than the opposite. The reporter was completely wrong and way out to lunch at 5:27-5:37. FN's are superior to C7's in many ways(more powerful/more accurate/greater range). But C7s are still the better choice for various reasons, just not the reasons highlighted by this reporter.
well history does repeat itself....
it's been thrity years since this program aired.... and guess what not much has changed with the goverenment, and the way they deal with the forces. Yeah they make big speaches about rebuilding the forces, and giving them the best equimpoent out there... But ask anyone of are solider's and they will tell you a different. But you got to respect them because they go out knowing this and get the job done. Don't know any other military forces out there that would do this.
I'm planning to join the canadian armed forces. Should i be worried if liberal or ndp wins the election?
+Ikejo Mitsuki Go to school get an education and get a real job your army is a joke with no punchline.
Infidel7153 Edgy comment.
+Caring Overall Just got the offer from canadian forces as an artillery. Starting bmq on January. I'm pumped up
Ikejo Mitsuki Good luck, you can do it.
+Ikejo Mitsuki No, don't be worried. Canada's armed forces may be small, and sure, a liberal government may not show the same muscle as Harper has done, but remember, you are not serving the government of Canada -- but the Monarch and the People. Best of Luck!
It's not much different with Harper. Some examples: the crazy multibillion F-35 "Widowmaker 2.0" program, the 4 junk submarines (they keep blaming the Liberals for having acquired them a looooong time ago, instead of buying new decent submarines), the hyper-expensive, super-delayed and failed Cyclone helicopters, the never built and overpriced super-delayed new frigates, icebrakers, etc, etc... In 8 years he has done almost nothing for the forces. In addition to that this government seems to consider our soldiers disposable once they are not useful as cannon folder anymore. Harper is all talk and no walk.
Exactly! Harper sais he loves the military and makes these promises. Thing is to the average person, It seems like he is actually doing allot for the military when behind the covers its all a ploy and false promises. Our defence budget keeps getting slashed over and over, that why im voting liberal next election. Our military will NEVER get to this state again, the public wont allow it. Thing is Justin Trudeau is not his father, and I belive he woud do a better job.
Paul John Vote how ever you wish, BUT if you expect a change for the better for the military.....it will not happen. The Liberals will decimate the military. That is what they have always done. The Conservatives will spend the least amount of money they can to retain a voice in NATO, but they will spend some. Justin Trudeau is a true Liberal, he hates the military and all it stands for. If you really care about the military, there is no right answer, only the least wrong answer.
CF80TO01 You are so wrong.
The Conservatives first loyalty is to the U.S. Pentagon, and they will send Canadian soldiers to fight U.S. and British wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and maybe even Iran. Under the Conservatives, Canadian soldiers will be used as cannon fodder to sustain George Bush's foolish, beligerent wars in the Middle East, where they be used to prop up corrupt, barbaric militias and governments; Canadian soldiers will be used to train local people how to better kill and slaughter each other in these failed states.
When the demoralized and defeated soldiers return, they will be denied pensions and treatment for their traumas and treated like dirt as the Conservatives recruit more cannon fodder for U.S. wars.
It's time to examine where our political leaders did right by our soldiers in assigning them clear objectives: is it in Liberal peacekeeping assignment in the Suez crisis, in Cyprus in the 1970's, and in Kosovo and Bosnia in the 1990's? Is it in Afghanistan in the 2000's? Is it training barbaric militias to better slaughter each other In Iraq and Syria?
I think the answer is clear. Canadians are way better peacekeepers than conquering armies and fighting nasty civil wars in Syria and Iraq. Allowing the Conservatives to lead Canada blindly into wars that cannot be won is the worst thing ever for the Canadian military.
Guy Souriandt
You are 100% right.
Guy Souriandt There is one problem with your comment.....peacekeeping requires well equipped and well trained war fighters. It isn't enough to simply say Canadian soldiers should only peace keep.....to do it effectively they must be trained and equipped to fight. Soldiers who are not equipped and trained properly will die.
same shit brah, C1/C2 is just like saying Canadian model 1, Canadian model 2, so its the same gun..just the Canadian model...and those guns might have been alright at the time, considering what the states was using, but I'd say our newer weapons are better, otherwise we'd still be using the older weapons system.
FN C1/C2 not FAL but every vet I ask they say the C1/C2 WAS BETtTTER
and guess what Canada's solution to this was? Shut it down! Stop talking about what the military does. So nowadays we have no idea what our army is doing.
Cold war is over yes but we still have a commitment to NATO. Also this spending creates thousands of jobs for Canadians. What about the dreams of young Canadians such as myself to be involved in something greater than struggling to pay bills. Military is not only needed for war but peace. The world is simply not yet at a point in which we no longer need armies. Not to mention military spending promotes scientific progress.
I still support our CBC its the govt at the time Harper wont let CBC speak its mind!
Great coverage, but I can't "like" this one. We all have dark years, and I know the troops have always been dedicated even if the government wasn't.
Not much has changed in 12 years.
Was it the Conservatives increased military funding?
Lol there still buying one new jet a year to keep the eyes of the public off our dieing CAF
because the money was "wasted"
We don't have nuclear weapons anymore but we used to in the past.
Canada's official
Policy is that we dont have any NBC weapons but we reserve the right to use them if they are used on us or our allies
we reserve the right to use something we don't have? We will ask another country to borrow some if needed? :P We just follow the Us in a blind way like the good little Us brother we are because we don't have any other choice anyway ^^ We are so depending of the Us for our defense that it's getting ridiculous. Our anti-missile system is pretty much non-existant. If a country like Russia or China would come to invade the Usa they would arrive from Canada first because it's unprotected.
I dont think we ever did is what i meant, if we posses the ability to manufacture them Still i dont know
Your'e right they weren't ours but Us ones. We had them in our possessions in storage in case of an event in canadian military base. I got to visit where they used to be on a particular base a few years ago.
"anymore" kid, go to school xD
@TheJesseMD Agreed
we are doing better these days
SO TRUE! I guess they forgot what Canada really is.
Don't you mean "BUDGET CUT, BUDGET CUT, BUDGET CUT" 3 rounds expended towards the Fantasian enemy forces
Canadian military budget should be at minimum 2% of GDP as what the NATO treaty states when it was signed. We have dropped to 1% in the 90's.. fucking pathetic..
In the end it comes down to do we keep to our NATO agreement, a small airfield some of which are already existing with 10 Liaison troops a few cargo containers with ammunition, medical supplies etc. Is a small cost for what it brings. 7 small bases around the world is a small price compared to the symbolism and use of it if necessary.
probably both C.C