"The most important part is how much faster it can make you"...absolutely not the most important part...people who want to win gold medals are like what 0.0000000001 % of the population?..but people who want to enjoy swimming are like 75% of the population these don't give a f how fast they go..they care about comfortability and how warm the suit can be in winter and stuff like that.
I actually noticed that Mark's technique in swimming is a bit weird compared to Heather 's, whose technique is actually really good. First, Mark extends well. But during that extension phase, his arm is dropping (hence, creating a drag). Next, during the recovery phase again, his elbow creates a big splash (further creating more drag). However, his chest and hip rotation is really good and never sinks his legs thanks to some powerful kicks. So my question is, did Mark's swimming technique changed overtime because of being used to swimming with a wetsuit or is it actually just a poor form?
@@markthrelfall3577 +1 You never hear someone complain they used too much BodyGlide. Salt water chafes much more than fresh, and having your sleeved trisuit under the wetsuit can also help act as a rash guard.
@@Jon-lf2dj I noticed watching pro men they have their sleeved Tri suit under wetsuit but not ‘on’ - at T1 they peel off wetsuit top and put sleeves on and zip up Tri suit top while they run to bike. Thoughts on sleeves on/off under wetsuit for swim??
@@THX-wc2jo Some of the pros swim with their sleeved trisuits already up, and some (as you noted) have them rolled down to the waist and pull the top on as they run to T1. This is because some feel that the trisuit adds some restriction to their stroke (and some don't). This may depend on the trisuit and on the shoulder action of the specific swimmer. IRRC, Lionel Sanders did Daytona in his cycling skinsuit (not trisuit) and had issues with shoulder restriction....to the point that he has switched to a sleeveless trisuit. Personally I don't notice much restriction with my tri top and have it on during the swim (all my races are wetsuit-legal here in NorCal). There is also some history here. Swim skins (not wetsuits) weren't allowed to have sleeves until a few years ago, so in races like Kona the pros using sleeved trisuits needed to have them rolled down to the waist (and may have just gotten used to pulling them up in T1.
That pool looks very familiar and brings back some memories. Doesn't look too much different. Thanks for the vid. Any specific stroke techniques you can suggest for wetsuit swimming and reduction in shoulder and arm movement?
I guess just combining the trisuite with jammers made from swimsuit neoprene is against the rules? Edit:looked up the rules and depending on the race and water temperature it will either be warm enough to be non-wetsuit (thus only allowed 100% textile) or wetsuit legal (where you might as well be using full swimsuit for comfort and even better buoyancy).
yws it is forbidden, you cannot have a neoprene jammer in now wetsuit races. but i saw some people cheat in age groups, weating neoprene jammers:) ın that crowd, no body sees it in age groups:)
Also think about : faster you are, the less the time gain is important (time is an exp of power) so with someone with a 3min 200m, the gain can be just huuge (>10sec)
Mark is a very strong swimmer with great body position. For a MOP swimmer (1:30-1:45/100m), a good wetsuit is typically worth 6-10sec./100m. He also may have faded in the 2nd 200...again a year w/o swimming. Typical test protocol is something like four reps, 1 and 4 with the trisuit, 2 and 3 with the wetsuit, so that fatigue is factored into both.
@@Jon-lf2dj AND ALSO you need less kicks in wetsuit, and as the race distance increases you save a lot of energy. I am a 155/100m tempo swimmmer, it makesa over 10 sec difference for me:)
Thank you for sharing and also the much needed advice. I will be doing my first Sprint triathlon in 2 months and do not have a swimming back ground, resulting in my upper body doing all the work while my legs just hang low in the water, would a wet suit assist me with the swim?
I'm in a similar position, just bought a pull buoy last week and it's amazing, really gives you the feeling of where your legs and hips should be and it instantly made me faster, I think it's related to the core as after using it I really felt like i'd done a core workout. Can't really talk about the wetsuit as don't have one yet. Sounds like it does help lift the legs though. Good luck :)
yet to do much swimming in my wetsuit but in the pool I'm definitely one of those feet draggers so I'm looking forward to seeing what its like with the wetsuit. How comparable is swimming in a wetsuit to using something like a pull buoy? For my longer endurance sessions I tend to use the buoy a lot so i can focus more on keep my arms instead of worrying about my legs so much.
Just bought my first wetsuit. The arms and legs are abit too long but I find the fit nice with good shoulder rotation. Would the arm and leg lengths make much difference or should I change it for a smaller size?
You can cut the arms/legs to length (some ITU races shorten the legs to mid-calf to speed exiting the suit in T1). Use AquaSeal, IronMend, or a square of wetsuit seam tape to keep the seam stitching from fraying. Any surf shop can also do this for you.
Triathlon specific bike gear has padding, but it is a lot thinner (roughly 1/3rd). Not super comfortable, but by the time you hit the running section you will appreciate getting off the bike och getting your senses back to your bum😁
You can tell Mark is a swimmer by the way he dives, it looks effortless.
I’m mostly impressed mark got the wetsuit on for the second swim. The mere thought of trying to put mine on when damp after a swim would make me cry!
I felt that "I haven't swum for a year" in my bones. Soon, my friends, soon! We're closer to the end of the pandemic than to its beginning! I hope!
The real pandemic are tech companies - politicians that have power to cancel free speech and democracy.
2:10 is my 100m time, not 200 😀
Same! Can barely get lower than 2'
Someone’s not getting their hair wet! Tactics LOL
"The most important part is how much faster it can make you"...absolutely not the most important part...people who want to win gold medals are like what 0.0000000001 % of the population?..but people who want to enjoy swimming are like 75% of the population these don't give a f how fast they go..they care about comfortability and how warm the suit can be in winter and stuff like that.
I actually noticed that Mark's technique in swimming is a bit weird compared to Heather 's, whose technique is actually really good. First, Mark extends well. But during that extension phase, his arm is dropping (hence, creating a drag). Next, during the recovery phase again, his elbow creates a big splash (further creating more drag). However, his chest and hip rotation is really good and never sinks his legs thanks to some powerful kicks. So my question is, did Mark's swimming technique changed overtime because of being used to swimming with a wetsuit or is it actually just a poor form?
Just got back to swimming after a year too! Those times are near my 100 😅
ahha same here:) I guess bad swimmers like as benefit more from wetsuits
Which tips can you give us to avoid the horrible neck wounds when swimming with a wetsuit in the see?
Vaseline or something like body glide
@@markthrelfall3577 +1 You never hear someone complain they used too much BodyGlide. Salt water chafes much more than fresh, and having your sleeved trisuit under the wetsuit can also help act as a rash guard.
@@Jon-lf2dj I noticed watching pro men they have their sleeved Tri suit under wetsuit but not ‘on’ - at T1 they peel off wetsuit top and put sleeves on and zip up Tri suit top while they run to bike. Thoughts on sleeves on/off under wetsuit for swim??
@@THX-wc2jo Some of the pros swim with their sleeved trisuits already up, and some (as you noted) have them rolled down to the waist and pull the top on as they run to T1. This is because some feel that the trisuit adds some restriction to their stroke (and some don't). This may depend on the trisuit and on the shoulder action of the specific swimmer. IRRC, Lionel Sanders did Daytona in his cycling skinsuit (not trisuit) and had issues with shoulder restriction....to the point that he has switched to a sleeveless trisuit. Personally I don't notice much restriction with my tri top and have it on during the swim (all my races are wetsuit-legal here in NorCal).
There is also some history here. Swim skins (not wetsuits) weren't allowed to have sleeves until a few years ago, so in races like Kona the pros using sleeved trisuits needed to have them rolled down to the waist (and may have just gotten used to pulling them up in T1.
@@Jon-lf2dj Awesome. Great info, thanks!
That pool looks very familiar and brings back some memories. Doesn't look too much different. Thanks for the vid.
Any specific stroke techniques you can suggest for wetsuit swimming and reduction in shoulder and arm movement?
Wearing a wetsuit you don't have to kick or kick as much, this saves tons of energy.
especially for bad swimmers lke myself:)
Love these videos, but less music would be awesome. Trying to think about what's being said lol.
Would be really interesting to see if there was much difference in your heart rate in these tests.
I guess just combining the trisuite with jammers made from swimsuit neoprene is against the rules?
Edit:looked up the rules and depending on the race and water temperature it will either be warm enough to be non-wetsuit (thus only allowed 100% textile) or wetsuit legal (where you might as well be using full swimsuit for comfort and even better buoyancy).
yws it is forbidden, you cannot have a neoprene jammer in now wetsuit races. but i saw some people cheat in age groups, weating neoprene jammers:) ın that crowd, no body sees it in age groups:)
Also think about : faster you are, the less the time gain is important (time is an exp of power) so with someone with a 3min 200m, the gain can be just huuge (>10sec)
Mark is a very strong swimmer with great body position. For a MOP swimmer (1:30-1:45/100m), a good wetsuit is typically worth 6-10sec./100m.
He also may have faded in the 2nd 200...again a year w/o swimming. Typical test protocol is something like four reps, 1 and 4 with the trisuit, 2 and 3 with the wetsuit, so that fatigue is factored into both.
@@Jon-lf2dj AND ALSO you need less kicks in wetsuit, and as the race distance increases you save a lot of energy. I am a 155/100m tempo swimmmer, it makesa over 10 sec difference for me:)
Can I swim with Trisuit ? After swimming section, can It get dry quick. I don't want to be sick. So, Sould I buy wetsuit
Hello GTN, what kind of collar Mark wears below wetsuit on the initial photo?
👍Awesome Pool 👌
Where is it located and dimensions ?
Thank you for sharing and also the much needed advice. I will be doing my first Sprint triathlon in 2 months and do not have a swimming back ground, resulting in my upper body doing all the work while my legs just hang low in the water, would a wet suit assist me with the swim?
I'm in a similar position, just bought a pull buoy last week and it's amazing, really gives you the feeling of where your legs and hips should be and it instantly made me faster, I think it's related to the core as after using it I really felt like i'd done a core workout. Can't really talk about the wetsuit as don't have one yet. Sounds like it does help lift the legs though. Good luck :)
yet to do much swimming in my wetsuit but in the pool I'm definitely one of those feet draggers so I'm looking forward to seeing what its like with the wetsuit. How comparable is swimming in a wetsuit to using something like a pull buoy? For my longer endurance sessions I tend to use the buoy a lot so i can focus more on keep my arms instead of worrying about my legs so much.
Can wearing one help you sweat and therefore burn more calories?
So....what is the difference, in numbers.
Just bought my first wetsuit. The arms and legs are abit too long but I find the fit nice with good shoulder rotation. Would the arm and leg lengths make much difference or should I change it for a smaller size?
You can cut the arms/legs to length (some ITU races shorten the legs to mid-calf to speed exiting the suit in T1). Use AquaSeal, IronMend, or a square of wetsuit seam tape to keep the seam stitching from fraying. Any surf shop can also do this for you.
Are they ok to run in? I want to start training with running and swimming. But don’t want to find myself to warm while running with a wetsuit on
you cNNOT RUN WİT A WETSUİT:)
Do try suits have a pad for bike saddle and do you keep it on during the run? Does it feel like running with a nappy?
Triathlon specific bike gear has padding, but it is a lot thinner (roughly 1/3rd). Not super comfortable, but by the time you hit the running section you will appreciate getting off the bike och getting your senses back to your bum😁
I should buy contract full t shirt or half
To what extent have trisuits developed in the past 10 years? Are they really faster? #Askingforalapsedtriathlete
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