MANAGING RECOIL
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- How to manage recoil with hard-kicking cartridges
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CHAPTERS
INTRO - 0:00
YOU CAN'T TEACH THE UNWILLING - 1:52
THE STANCE - 3:26
HAND AND ELBOW PLACEMENT - 7:28
CHEEK WELD - 11:39
CONTROLLING THE RIFLE - 15:42
SHOOTING FROM STICKS - 20:18
SHOOTING FROM THE BENCH - 22:22
MENTAL PREPAREDNESS - 26:21
EQUIPMENT CHOICES - 28:11
CONCLUSION - 32:48 
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Another "One and Done" video. This should be mandatory in hunter safety or training classes. Well done.
You have reminded me what Marine Staff Sgt. Wells taught me in 1958 in Marine Corps boot camp with the M-1 Garand. He asked if I would rather he pushed my shoulder or punched it. I've held a rifle tight into my shoulder ever since.
Very good information. I was taught many years ago how to shoot big bores by a friend who hunted Africa. The first big bore I shot was a model 70 African in .458 mag. Any rifle after that was easy to to shoot. He taught everything you discussed to the letter. I have always been grateful for the time he took with me and it made me a very accurate rifleman. Thanks and I hope people take your valuable advice!!! Good hunting my friend.
Many decades ago in India where I was born and grew up, we were taught to shoot the heavy rifles facing the target with our knees about a half foot apart side by side and slightly bent. We were taught to shoot and let the rifle rise - the old British rifles were designed to rise and dissipate the energy into the air. If you were shooting a bolt action rifle, it was also easy to operate the bolt knob with the cup of the palm while the barrel rose and slam it shut while guiding the barrel roughly in the direction in which you wanted to shoot for the next shot to get your aim faster. It is interesting how different the straight back recoil preference in the US is from the old way used by shikaris in India in the early years of dangerous game hunting.
There is no dangerous game in the US except for grizzly bears which are quite rare so US rifle stocks are designed for light kicking rounds for non-dangerous game.
Always a good day when DD uploads
Thank you for this tutorial. It's fantastic. Instead of mocking people for handling big-bore recoil improperly, you have given them the tools to deal with it correctly. Kudos to you - you are exactly what we need in the hunting community.
An excellent break down on shooting big bore rifles. Thanks for sharing.
Perfect timing DD I just bought my son a like brand new CZ550 in a 416 Rigby. Got 3 boxes of premium ammo with it🙌 He already has a rare Mark 5 stainless in 375 H&H that I got him a couple years ago and put a VX6 in a 3-18 power scope on it! Can’t wait to take him out hunting with it. I have been collecting rifles 60+ years and my 3 sons almost love hunting and rifles as I so😳 recovering gunaholic 🤔🤣 Not Really just ask my wife😂
Bragging is your recoil solution?
My 13 year old live shooting my 500 nitro Express 😂just like his old man soon he could shoot my 2 bore breech-loaded single shot
@@texaspapa9445you jealous ? Triggered ? Show us on the doll where his comment hurt you 😂😂
@@texaspapa9445I can tell you don’t have kids😳 I am proud of my kids and do whatever I can to make their life have meaning and fun🙌 If you had kids you would know exactly what I am taking about and how it feels🤔 I am sorry but being proud of one’s kids should be something to be proud of and bragged about❤ I had a drunk driver hit me 9 years ago and almost completely sever my spine on my neck and they didn’t know if surgery would work and be able to walk? 7 1/2 hours on the table and metal plates front and rear on my neck with 20 screws in my spine I an able to do things with my boys even though having to be on heavy medication line oxi and nerve meds! So my live is filled with gratefulness not bragging😳
A CZ 550 in 416 Rigby is a classic that he'll treasure forever.
This was crazy informative ! I thought I knew how to shoot …. I do not 😂😂
You certainly have a rifle for any and all occasions and demonstrations! Excellent advice in this video. Have a great weekend Desert Dog!
Great video for those looking to improve their shooting technique and manage heavy recoiling rifles
Thank you for the valuable info. I don’t own any big bore rifles. Maybe in the future. But what I took from this video is start the technique with the smaller bores and work your way up. Try to eliminate and bad habits before they start or correct the bad habits you have.
Thank You
I think the biggest single factor in felt recoil is stock design, it is pure luck when a 577NE rifle fits you off the shelf, and a 8Lb falling block single shot rifle can give a lot of felt recoil, I find the biggest problem when shooting on the range is that there is so much muzzle rise that it is sometimes difficult to avoid hitting the overhead woodwork, the recoil will certainly lift your front foot off the ground, I also shoot a .475 x 3 1/2" Nitro Express ,also in a 8 Lb single shot, and that kicks even harder, the easy way to shoot from a rest is to make a horseshoe shaped rest which you can rest on while shooting off hand, this gives excellent support but allows your arms to rise, this is how we regulate double rifles at Holland & Holland. Enjoy! Chris B.
Here is the secret and nearly unknown method I use to manage recoil - I use the lightest recoiling cartridge which can do the job on the specific game I am hunting. This goes against the gun media's recently touted and newer magnum rounds but I am old fashioned.
While that logic is sound, it doesn't always translate to dangerous game hunting (which is the main theme of this video).
Thanks for this video DD🙌👏👊 IT reminds me of all the stuff I have learned over time and try to impart to my sons but just flat forget things so your great reminders on all things hunting is so helpful for my sons because we all want our sons to be safe and enjoy hunting like we did as a youth🙌
Thanks for addressing both shooting sticks and bench shooting. When I got my first .45-70, I add up a typical (for me) ladder of powder charges. After the 12th shot off the bench, I said F🤬k this! Marlin loads with a 405 grain bullet KICK. That recoil pad is worth trying, and thanks for mentioning the eye relief issue. I wouldn’t have thought of that.
Great stuff! My Win-70 .375 H&H definitely kicks more than any other rifle in my gunsafe, but it's not all that bad. I can see where employing all your tips can make it even better. I have found that wearing my Vanson E leather motorcycle jacket spreads the recoil out over my entire upper body. Can't imagine you wearing one of those out in the field while tracking down one of those old dagga boys, however!
Mine does too but only because of the model 70 Classic composite stock. Especially when shooting Hornady’s heavy mag ammo.
People that design and build rifle stocks should watch this.👍
Great video DD, particularly the variations of grip due to stock design. I freely admit that my .416 REM Mag is not fun when shooting from the bench. Half a dozen shots are enough. 🇬🇧
Knowledge is power listen and learn from the best Desert Dog.. 👍✨👌
Great video good reminders and new info for us old guys as well as our sons and daughters🙌
Thanks for making this, was very well explained for new hunters..
I like how you switch weapons like a video game character.😅 Seriously though, great video, really enjoy your content. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪🇺🇲
Great video. I have built a mobile benchrest for standing position for load development and sighting in my 375 h&h to not develop a flinch.
Great video, info is spot on imo! Thankful I was taught these fundamentals of recoil control by my dad while I was young.
Great video. I bought a new, very light, rifle that kicks like a mule. The video was very timely.
Many thanks for your clear instructions! Very very useful!!!
Haai DD
Words of experience & sound advice & like you I find that 10 pound rifle weight is perfect .
Just an extra piece of advice for the novice I would add , is to optimise the " Pull " like you would with a shotgun by using various thickness packing pieces in front of the recoil pad, to help with " scrunching " as you call it & assist with eye relief.
Your best episode , l enjoyed listening & watching.
Great video D.D., I appreciate you sharing some of your tips and tricks. I'll need to put a couple of these into practice.
Great information, great video!
Excellent video, DD!!
Brilliantly explained. I couldn't have explained it like the way you did, though I have shot several big bore rifles.
Thank you ! 🏜
My biggest critique of the lead sled is that it, like the PAST pad, affects eye relief and cheek weld.
Your advice is sound.
It would also be good to "customize" the stock to get length of pull and comb height adjusted to the shooter, adding a recoil pad during that time. With good quality scout scopes being widely available, that option should be considered for those prone to scope bite.
Great video DD. My model 70 safari 416 rem and interarms mark X in 416 Taylor improved are quite manageable. 20 plus rounds of load development off the bench can get a little rough, but when I’m getting fatigue I’ll use a past shoulder pad for those long days on the bench. I did have a ruger No 1 in 416 rem and it was quite a bit more lively in the recoil department lol. The stock on it never fit me very well and I’m positive that and the lighter weight are what made it far more uncomfortable than the other two rifles.
To the point, reasoned and well-demonstrated explanations. Thank you.
Great video
This is going to be good. Bookmarking it to watch after dinner.
Great and comprehensive information 👍
Absolutely great video.
DD, I think this was about the best “how to” video that you’ve released. You confirmed everything I have been doing over the years and thrown in a couple of ideas I hadn’t thought of!
I wholeheartedly agree that recoil is very much a mental aspect that some people can adapt to and others just flip out over, lol! My wife loves her 30-06 and doesn’t think it recoils too much; she just follows through like you were talking about.
Again, great video!
PS - I noticed your M70 was wearing a Trijicon instead of a Leupold, is there a story behind the change?
The Leupold VX6 stopped tracking (erector issue). I sent it back and will sell it once I verify it functions. Like you saw during scope month, I'm migrating away from Leupold after being a loyal customer for 35 years (too many issues with newer premium scopes). Votex has been on my shit list for a long time and Swarovski is beginning to disappoint.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 I’m down to a pair M70 Fwts in 7x57 and both of them are wearing Kahles scopes. My wife’s had a Kahles on her Steyr for 20yrs and never had any issues, crystal clear and you can see anything clear as day late at night. Those Austrians and Germans love shooting after dark so their scopes are f-n incredible at low or no light. The only problem is that they stopped importing the hunting lines years ago and you kinda have to be flexible in what you think you’re gonna need. The Schmidt Bender scopes are good but they’re pretty damn proud of their scopes. Money aside, my only complaint about Kahles and SB’s is that you have to pay attention to their tube diameter or you’ll have to deal with a 26mm… arrrgh! Anyways, good luck with your future scope selection; one of my old partners has Trijicon scopes on a number of his rifles and swears by them.
I really appreciate your efforts and dedication you put into your channel, quality work is its own reward!
Take care and be well!
Paul/Alabama
Thank you for the video DD. Great content, excellent structure/organization and teaching method. While structured for dangerous game calibers, I think a lot of this information is also good for shooters dipping a toe in the 300mag/.338 pond. I, like 99% of shooters, manage recoil via the time honored close my eyes and jerk the trigger technique. The only downside is always having to send perfectly good scopes back to the factory when I cant hit shit.
Excellent video
Great timing, picked up an Ithaca mag 10 today :D
Would love to hear more about the optic (Aimpoint 9000?) on the .505; how it's holding up to recoil, what range are you comfortable with, etc, etc.
Also would like to see a "History & Relevance" vid on the 505.
Thanks again for the time and effort you put into your vids
Good info. Ive been developing loads for an 8mm rem mag lately. Hardly a heavy hitter like the rifles you are showcasing today but hot 220 swifts are snappy on the bench. I have an old friend that frequents Africa multiple times per year and builds all of his own rifles and some for his ph friends and guns for culling. He has a 505 gibbs he keeps inviting over to shoot. I plan to give it a go soon. He also has some fancy doubles in some of the big nitro cartridges. Maybe one day I'll join him on a trip.
Thanks for making this video . For what you say about between hunting and target shooting . Is so right . I did not notice about it till you brought it up . This will help more ways then one. To me it dose not matter if it for big game or not . Still should hold the gun the same way that way it will be a normal thing for what ever gun you use .
The .505 Gibbs can feel your fear
Another great job!
Thanks
Believe it or not archery helps me get into season
I shoot freehand with 75-90 degree right elbow. But I take the forend with my left hand at the tip. My indexfinger wraps around the tip. So I have very good force to pull the rifle in my shoulder. In this case the right index finger is more relaxed to pull the trigger, because the right hand has not to take the majority force to pull the rifle into the shoulder. Before I changed to this type of shooting , I used the normal way with less shooting precision. The lesson was teached from a scandinavian Mastershooter. ... Very good explained DD . I think the best on this platform ! Greetings PH
Thank you
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Very good video! 👍 Well explained! 👍
I would love to see from you a video about the same issue but for lefthanded shooters like myself, how to handle and shoot righthanded BIG BOR RIFLES. In the army I shot the big fifty (Barret...😉) ... so, me, no problem with big bores.🤗🤗🤗
Thank you!
Keep up the good work! 👍👍👍
David 😎
Desert Dog- you are more MAN than I am! I don't even like shooting a 300 Win Mag for more than just a few rounds. My tolerance seems to be right around 30-06 level. No, it's not technically a "dangerous game" cartridge, but maybe it is: I'd say a grizzly is pretty dangerous and it's sufficient for them.
That is some sound advice !
Great video @DD. If scrunching is a problem or interferes with you sight picture/sight alignment then a person can restock the rifle with a stock that has a LOP a bit longer. Sometimes that’s the only remedy.
Good video. Comment from Cache Creek, BC Canada.
Cache Creek of all places! Haha I lived there for a few years during my teens
Let me make this easy. If you are right handed… left foot forward, right foot a bit back. Lean slightly into the target, both eyes open. Simple!
It wasnt working right att the bench one day; started looking around for helpers. Cut angle off 55gallon barrel. Was just perfect from knees. Found cardboard to go on me where my 338 goes on me. All helped lots. Had to re do that rifle and a month after everything was good.
The pitch of the rifle stock makes a difference too
Great advice, especially for cheek weld. There is some really bad advice out there. Keep up the good work!
Great video!
So many people shoot mostly from benches now. Standing free hand will soon be a forgotten art. And it’s funny how many people on you tube that do the full chicken wing with modern firearms. It looks so funny to me.
My 460 Weatherby is a bit rough.
I'm average size (5'-10", 170 lbs) and shoot up through 300 Win Mag (hunting rifle, no brakes EVER) without an issue, even from the bench. Granted, that's a pip squeak compared to the cartridges mentioned in this video, but still decently stout. I just have a rather tight hold into the shoulder but let my torso stay fluid at the waist trying to not let my head move too much either to mitigate micro concussions (yes, the latter is a risk).
I know you mentioned you specifically weren't covering suppressors, however I feel it bears stating that where legal, suppressor use will provide a noticeable reduction in both felt recoil and muzzle blast. Of course as stated, the drawback is an increase in length and weight of your rifle.
U got me hooked on a Winchester model 70
I bought a used rifle in 7mm mag . I noticed the barrel is not free floated . The gun was made in 70’s , is that common ?
Yes it is normal. I bought a lnterarms mark X from the 80's in 7mm last month. I bedded the system and took wood from under the barrel, but not from the sides, because the wood was extremely good adjusted to the barrel. A compromise because it is such a classic styled rifle (Express, Rigby-Style). Greetings
There is a discussion about this video on facebook. I can’t find it again. Does anyone have the link to this discussion?
Keep up the great work! 👍
I haven't seen it
Great vid K9 Guru. Im a bit recoil shy having not shot big calibres but iv never felt my lightish 270 on a hunt, but at the range withe a hot load and 150gr it boots a little. As apposed to my 303 British thats more of a shove
🤔 While I Know You Came At This From A Prospective Of Hunting African Dangerous Game - Where Shots Are Often Much Closer And No Sling Is Used To Assist With Quick Shots, So As To Be Compatable With The Use Of Shooting Sticks - The Proper Use Of A Sling To Hunt Non-Dangerous Game Can Also Be Very Useful! 🦌
I am in the same camp as most top modern shooters; that using a sling to stabilize in the off-hand position does more harm than good. No Biathlon, Olympic, high-power, or PRS champion uses a sling for support while shooting offhand. Personally, I shoot MUCH more consistent without the sling as well. Also, most people find of that there is a significant POI shift when using sling tension vs not using it. Not good IMO.
This was a great video.
Well explained 👍👍
Here you are considered an idiot if you have anything bigger than 308 win or 6.5x55 swedish.
The argument is that you shoot worse because of the recoil and place the shots poorly because of the recoil.
I myself am searching for injured game with my dogs on wild boar and moose.
I claim that a lot is due to the small caliber of moose.
Shoot with 6.5x55 Swedish.
The argument is that tens of thousands of moose have been shot with 6.5x55 Swedish, so a bigger caliber is not needed, you just shoot worse because of the recoil.
I've stopped saying when I search injured animals that it's too small a caliber.
There will be difficult discussions in the hunting team on driven hunts.
That way you are considered an idiot because it works just as well with 308 win or 6.5x55 on the moose or wild boar.
Most of my rifles are magnums.
7mm rem mag, 300 win mag 358 Norma Mag.
The smallest caliber I have is 30-06.
It was a very good offer on a rifle that was only available in 30-06 a Sauer 303 Forrester for just over 1200 dollars.
Quick shots on search without having to repeat and cocking key that cocks the firing pin.
Everyone should have it here thanks to the Blaser R93 or Blaser R8 in 308 win which everyone should have.
You are almost declared an idiot in some places if you do not have a Blaser.
I will never have a Blaser.
I was criticized for the safty on my rifles because I hunt a lot with my driving dogs and move all the time on the hunts.
They complain about the safty on everyone who doesn't have a Blaser.
I got tired of it, sold my one repeater riffle with a 3-position safty and bought one with a tension button as a safty.
I still have to hear why you didn't buy a Blaser instead, they are in the same price range?
Well this one came on offer for 1200 dollars instead of over 3000 dollars which a Sauer 303 Forrester normally costs.
So 308 win or 6.5x55 in a Blaser, otherwise it is not possible to shoot the animals here because of the recoil or too bad rifles.
I can't make out the model of your Mag rifle at the begining of the video, Mag lengh action, but the rear of the bolt is new to me. I can see a claw extractor. But? please what acrion is it? I'm 6'1", and had to add about 1" to to all my rifles/shotguns for them to align properly. When you have shot several 100'S ducks/and whatever with the right fitting gun, without disconfort. Have shot many guns(not mine) where you get smartly kicked cheek and shoulder. The first surprises you, but you adapt for the next. Weight of the rifle and design of the stock, has a lot to do with recoil confort. I like straight stocks over Monte Carlo/European Stocks. DD keep up the the GOOd advice. Thanks
The rifle at the beginning is a Model 70 Safari Express.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 DD sorry to bug You, My mistake, the next one with the green sintetic stock?. Someday will build a a SS M70 Mag action(My Fav) in some 7MM for grandson. Thank You
@@WillyK51 A CZ550.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Thanks, Impressed, Didn't recognize the rear of the bolt, acustomed to the Std Mauser lookalikes.
Vortex did a podcast discussing the cons of the lead sled
Problem #1.....Listening to the Vortex guys. Probably the worst fake experts on RUclips (except when they use one of my videos as a "word for word" script to make their own).
What stock is that on your beautiful green rifle??!!
B&C Medalist.
My buddy Nelson dont need to scrunch.. he got no neck - we call him "no neck Nelson" and he can shoulder ANY rifle, bring it up to cheek weld, with NO scrunchin'!
It's amazing how someone's head can just grow right up out of their shoulders like that.. with no neck!
I've encountered Nelson's type before. A gorilla of a man, who seemingly was created with an overabundance of Bicep and under-abundance of gray matter. His ex wife told us "never trust a man without a neck".
DD, what are your thoughts on the Norma Oryx bullet??
They are great for the price🙌 I have been using Norma ammo a very long time since they made Weatherby ammo since 1958 if I remember right! Time goes by so fast as one ages.
The Oryx is a fantastic bullet. I like the A-Frame better for game like Buffalo, but the Oryx is no slouch. I'd use them in a heartbeat.
I recently saw videos explaining the “push pull” technique, mainly with shotguns. Does that apply to rifles as well?
There is shotgun techniques (that favor pointing the gun and slapping the trigger), tactical techniques (that favor rapid transitions on multiple threats), and marksmanship techniques (that favor precision/accuracy/trigger control). Shooting a big-bore hunting rifle is a different animal than all of them. With a 505 Gibbs, you have to contend with extreme recoil from a very heavy weight-forward rifle; all while retaining trigger control and the basic principles of marksmanship.
Good morning man, do you have any experience with th 9.3x62 mauser? And hunting with it in Africa, Europe or North America?
Is that a curly maple stock?
I have a 338 Browning automatic I was wondering how much harder a 375 h&h Magnum bolt action would be with the difference in the
Alot!
Surprised prairie dog......we've all seen it. Hol😂
When I pulled duty as the range safety officer for my gun club, I'd look down the line of concrete shooting benches, and it always reminded me of colonies of prairie dogs popping their heads in and out of holes. Most of them were pulling their heads up at the trigger break. Through my spotting scope, I could see the frustrating results on paper. Many lessons are learned from watching others repeatedly make mistakes.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Many Trap "Shotgun Shooters" suffer from prairie dog syndrome when they miss the target.
What’s is your green rifle?
CZ550
Best way to mitigate recoil is to never pull the trigger
Thank you for the compelling insight.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 gotta get my digs in :) it’s in fun though
nobody handles it better than garand thumb
I dunno man. I do like Garand Thumb. But he's pretty much into tactical stuff. We can settle this with an off-hand shooting contest between DD and GT at bowling pins suspended by fiber tape at a hunnert yards, using big caliber bolt action rifles.
😂 I hope you're not serious.
🤷♂️ I Am Wondering If This Was a Response to the AR-15 Vortex Podcast?
No, it was a response to the numerous request from viewers after my Safari Express video. If you watched the last Hunt Camp Mail (May), numerous people requested this video. The Vortex guys are phonies; I don't recommend that channel.
🤭 I Actually Gave Ryan a Bad Time For Giving Elk Hunting Advice Without Ever Having Shot One (Typical Millenials)! 🙄 But, Since Then, Their Series On Using "Hunting Bullets" (Not Target Bullets) For Hunting and Using "Non-Magnums" Has Had Positive Influences on Some People! So, That is a "Good Thing"! 🥳
@@ronlowney4700 Their best videos were the ones where my videos were used word for word as a script for theirs.
🤣 Immitation is the Best Form of Flattery! 🤭 So, At Least They Were Giving Some Good Advice! 😜
@@ronlowney4700 Hey, even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
How to shoot off of a bench?MAN UP!!!
desert dog...bla bla bla
Thanks for putting a view in my bank account, and for taking time to make an important and intelligent response that will enhance the algorithm for this video.