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I’m retired so I’m on a fixed income. The way I did it was to sell some land that I had and used that money towards buying a hangar and a C-182 outright otherwise I couldn’t afford to have an airplane. My yearly insurance is $832.00 and my yearly payment to the county for the land lease of where my hangar sits is $300.00. If everything goes well with my owner assist annual it’s $500.00, for a total price of $1632.00/year fixed cost if I don’t fly the airplane. Cost of fuel at the airport is $3.75/gallon.
smart way to go, though I think I would have a very hard time selling any land off, but if it fulfills a dream, and it’s land you weren’t using and hopefully you didn’t sell off all of your land, because that would also be a little sad, being a country boy, from the Ozarks anytime someone has to sell land for any reason always makes me a little sad, well unless I’m the one buying it, lol!
I recently bought a 1974 Beechcraft Musketeer Sport. It's an interesting plane, in that the 150hp engine the Sport came with was replaced by the factory with a 180hp Lycoming O-360. It's also had some additional modifications made to it such that it's effectively a Sundowner. The only practical difference is that it only has two windows on each side instead of three. I love it. I'm not a small guy, so the roominess is appreciated. It's true that it's not the fastest plane, but I needed something to build time in, but also wanted something with some room to grow. This plane fills those needs nicely.
Good info. Based on my 20 years of ownership experience, this is a very accurate estimate of ownership costs. It will be lower for Cessna 150's and piper 140s and higher for Cessna 175 and Grumman tiger. My yearly cost for about 70 hours of flying averages $730/mo. This does not include the cost of the plane. I started in a 2 person partnership. 2 or 3 partners are a good number to make airplane ownership more affordable. Trust me, you are never going to fly as much as you think and the worst thing for a plane is for It to sit on the ramp. Just make sure you pick your partners carefully.
I know 15k a year is expensive for most including myself but it really is a matter of priorities. One of my friends decided to get a part time job that allowed him to earn an extra 12k a year and he loved knowing that hustling for that extra work allowed him to guilt free fly whenever he wanted.
I think 15k a year is a value. I personally think if you make less then 175k you should should be more focused on investing and not flying but evert is different. I think a monthly budget of about 2500 is a great starting place for pilots. I under not everyone can just write a check for repairs and anything the plane needs. And that is why I don’t think people should finance a small plan. If you want a larger jet then sure finance it but a small single engine place I think it’s better to pay cash and then have a budget if 2500 a month and you will enjoy flying But I do understood not everyone can do that.
"Man, how I'd love to go flying but I'm so tired from that second job and the overtime from my primary job, and it's raining now and I'm not IFR, and I have all this stuff that needs taking care of around the house, and my brother's birthday party across town is Sunday afternoon, and...."
Great info! My personal experience - I own a 182RG. Hangar space in Chicagoland is WAY more expensive than you mentioned, but not quite as high as you are paying. My annual cost is around $1,800, insurance also around $1,800. Does it make financial sense? Not a chance. But that's why I go to work every day. Our kids are grown, and I finally have the time and money to do this right. I want to fly that plane until I'm sick and tired of it, hopefully a very long time. Thanks for making the video, I enjoy all your videos.
On the 150 vs 152, what I've seen from flying them is the reverse of what was mentioned on flaps. The 150's I fly go up to 40 degrees, while the 152 is limited to 30 degrees
As a kid growing up in SW KS, I heard stories of Clyde Cessna in his Jenny flying out to Bucklin, KS (my home town) and giving rides. Yep he was a barnstormer! My first ride in an airplane was a 172. I've loved flying ever since. Keep up the great work.
Hey Charlie, thank you for yet another excellent video. You have a way of putting the viewer at ease with no bragging or ego trip. I always come away with more knowledge and it's usually very helpful tips for the entry or like myself, pre entry level aviator.
very informative. You might consider looking at some LSAs given the impending changes that MOSAIC is likely to implement. I'm new to this stuff, but I saw a video where they said 20 years ago most LSAs were motorized kites. Today, with the improvements in lightweight materials, you can buy entire planes that are as roomy as a C150 with similar performance characteristics. In fact, as proposed, the new MOSAIC metrics would include C150/152s and possibly 170/172s. But for those looking for power and speed, some of these newest LSAs will be able to double their power and speed while not even doubling their weight, all of which will be possible under MOSAIC, and the cost increases will not need to double.
Whatever airplane you buy, the most important part is a good pre-buy inspection by a mechanic familiar with all the expensive gotchas for that aircraft. A bargain airplane more often than not becomes a maintenance money pit soon after buying it. Also in my experience, the most difficult aspect of buying a first plane was finding a place to hangar it. If you plan to just tie it outside then it's not that bad, but indoors is preferable, especially with fabric covered airplanes or severe storm prone areas. Most airports seem to have a waiting list a mile long of people needing hangar space. I hangared in a town over an hour away for six months until luckily a space at a nearby private airport opened up. Of the aircraft you listed, I bought a Tri-Pacer and love it.
So maybe is possible! Thanks for breaking it down for me. Look forward to practical vids such as this and the 7 planes. Keep em coming and try out PK sometime!!
Thank you for putting your thoughts out there and sharing what you have discovered. Cost vary drastically from geographic, airplane, type of flying, availability, etc. I'm just finishing up my PPL and I want to buy a plane to complete my ratings and build time. I found that if I find 2 other like minded pilots, it becomes extremely affordable. The cost savings on rental vs buying over ~250 hours is huge! Plus the added bonus of not fighting all the other students for flight time is big time. Flying is a hobby or investment in education that is not cheap, but not anymore expensive than other hobbies. I know people that spend more than $1,000 a month on golf, boating, etc.
I never considered the possibility of splitting the costs with a trusted friend. Great idea. Sharing with 1 or 2 people would still beat the heck out of renting
Hey Shawn, would you mind sharing some more info with me please. I am a student pilot, getting my ppl in a month and a half or so, working towards my commercial rating
For what it’s worth I owned a AA1B for almost four years. Sold her two months ago. Was a dream to fly and fairly economical burning 5.5 GPH. Downside was payload and range but my mission was to do primarily local 1-2 hour flights so never had a problem. If your mission is to burn holes in the sky chasing clouds then this may be a plane to consider!
Powered paragliders are a wonderful way to Fly, IMO! I can't see gliding without a motor. Just my appreciation for flying and opinion. Happy Gliding and Clear Skies!
Are they not also considered the most dangerous planes? I do not know if the information I heard was true but something along of the lines of a good portion of the aviation accidents happen in powered paragliders? If not, they do seem great, but they also can be flown without a license which could lead to cause behind all the accidents, lack of overall aviation knowledge?
Most of these airplanes can legally be flown on autofuel. At $2/gallon x 8 gallons/hr=$16. If you use 100LL you are spending an extra $24/hour. You can do your own oil changes and save >$100/hour. You can help out on the annual inspections and save several hundred $. There are many repairs one can legally do and one can buy real airplane parts from aircraft salvage dealers. And, if you have any friends, you can go halfsies with him/her/it.
two ownership concepts/questions that would also be helpful to hear your perspective: - partial ownership: pros/cons of formally partnering (LLC) with one or two other partners to share cost and flight time. - lease-back: cost-benefit of leasing the airplane to a flight school/FBO and letting them manage/track/schedule the maintenance and rentals. Does that generate enough revenue to offset the increased usage and maintenance, and to reduce your cost of ownership? thx!
AV Web had a good article on it here I'd suggest. There are pros and cons to doing partial ownership or leaseback and it really just depends on your unique situation. Personally I wouldn't do a leaseback and I'd only do partial ownership for the right situation where either it was a niche plane I wasn't going to use a lot and wanted a co-owner or I was really tight with the other owner and we were really aligned on the money side (i.e. not skimping on maintenance ever), how we'd split up use the airplane, what it looks like if someone wants out, etc (and I'd put it all in writing so there's no room for question)... all in all I would prefer owning it outright whenever possible just to avoid those issues. But it can be done successfully. www.avweb.com/ownership/is-a-leaseback-good-for-you/
Great video but if possible I would recommend avoiding financing. I was able to cut a lot of costs and saved enough to buy my Maule. I just kept my old diesel Jetta that was paid for and my truck same. But what is funny is that the guys I know that say flying is too expensive are driving big diesel trucks and expénsive car.
I drive old cars that I paid cash for. Flying is for the rich. If you are having to scrape funds together to fly you most likely aren't saving and will be destitute when you get to an age where you can no longer work
I've only watched 2 of your videos and I'm already hooked! Great content here. Although I'm planning on buying a plane for post-Covid business travel (and thus not really in the Cessna-level category), I am considering buying a second plane for personal use like a Cessna or Beechcraft. So this is all relevant info and all great information to consider. Thanks again for sharing this.
Whether 100% accurate or not (which you definitely sound like you have done your research) thank you for that breakdown. I have been watching videos of PPC and PPG for over a year and just bought my first powered parachute trike. I won’t pick it up till Spring and this winter am getting my pilots license. I do t need my license to fly my PPC but I have always wanted one and at 45 decided I’m ready and it’s time. I had no idea what my daily or yearly expenses would look like so thank you very much for the breakdown. I’m also a new subscriber (yesterday) and appreciate your content and how well you explain things. I’m in Ohio but would love to meet up someday. I believe in inspiring others as you talk and hope to pay it forward someday. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment! And I'm working on putting some meet ups together, maybe we'll make it to Ohio at some point! Would love to do some flying in and around that area. Your parachute trike sounds like a freakin blast.
Discovered your channel just yesterday. I really like it since I'm very interested in aviation and aiming to get a LAPL(A) soon! I've always dreamed of an own airplane. Greetings from Germany!
I purchased a C150k for $14,000 cash nine years ago. 9,000 hr airframe, 1200 hr smoh, Annual averages $1500 including some replaced parts like tires etc. liability insurance only is $208/yr, mogas $3.80/ gal at 4.8 gal/ hr, tiedown $40/ mo. The plane now has 1800 hrs with good engine and avionics health but exterior paint has degraded to the point of needing new paint in a few years. I couldn’t be happier with affordability and reliability given from this small Cessna. I hope this may inspire you to keep it simple and pay cash and/ or in part, personal loan.
Thank you so much for this video. You are way too kind. This is awesome information. I love your content. Keep up the great work. You are a very knowledgeable pilot with a kind heart. God bless you and your family.
Congratulations and that sounds like a great set up! And yes Cedar Mills on Texoma is a must. Worth the short walk over to Pelican's Landing for a meal also (they have an odd schedule, particularly during COVID so call ahead to make sure they'll be open).
I’m pretty sure the 152 max flaps is 30 degrees while the 150 is 40 degrees. They reduced max flaps to reduced risk for training pilots (at least in theory).
I fly a 150H in a club and can confirm 40 degrees max flap extension. I never go past 30 as it's not necessary and less flaps to take out if I have to go around.
@@AirplaneAcademy i am looking to buy a plane, which i have a handle on but don’t know if the hanger needs to come first or the plane. I live near Addison so am thinking thats where i should park it but also hear probably not going to have any luck with hangers there. Any advice?
Not any more thanks to Covid. Before Covid, you could buy a great time building for around $50K or less. Those same aircraft today are $100-$150K or more in the same condition. The only thing you can practically get under $50k now is 60+-year-old aircraft in original condition at or near TBO that need a lot of exterior, interior, and avionics updates. Buying a Cessna is like buying an Apple phone, it does the same thing as every other 2-4 seater aircraft but at $15k - $20k extra on the cost, because you're paying for the Cessna name. It's going to take a year or two, maybe even more to before we see prices begin to fall back to where they should be as everyone and their brother is using Covid as a way to profit on their merchandise. Supply and demand is the major killer right now. There isn't a lot on the market so the prices are much higher. All in all, this is good info when the prices are right but I would highly suggest not to buy a plane right now. It's a great time to sell but definitely not a good time to buy. Just wait!
Charlie. This is probably the fourth time I've watched this video and taken copious refresher notes. Thanks for producing great content and information. By the way. Love the shirt fella! Where'd you get it? (I'm guessing that's a logo shirt with your initials on it?)
Thanks Dan! Really glad you found it useful. And thanks about the shirt... haha my Dad actually made these for my bachelor party a few years ago. We were going fishing and so he had shirts made for everyone and the super cub is towing a bass. They were a big hit!
@@AirplaneAcademy RATS!! I thought maybe you had some cool "support the channel" merch that you were making available. 🙁 BTW... Is that you in a set of dress blues with your bride in that picture that's behind your chair in some of your videos?
I like the estimates. You do a great job of explaining how you arrive at them. The issue I have is that it works out to an average of $1,200/month. For a lot of people. $1,200/month for a 'fun' item IS by definition prohibitively expensive. The average median income in the United States is $33,706. A person falling into this range would be spending 43% of their income to own an airplane. Even if they make twice the median income you are still talking about roughly 20% of their income. Based on what I can afford to spend, I would need the aircraft to have a daily cost of about $5 to $10 per day in order for it to be even close to affordable. In order to get it past my wife, I'd have to get it down to closer to $100/month. I'm open to suggestions, but I've run the numbers the best I can and I can't find a way I can fly anything other than a Flight Sim or perhaps a PPG and our local weather isn't conducive to PPG's very often.
Thanks for the comment. Sorry if it came off this way, but I wasn't trying to make the argument as to whether or not $1,200 was a lot or a little, because you're right it's all relative. I was trying to highlight a few traditionally "less expensive" aircraft (in relation to the spectrum of aviation) to own and operate and the breakdown of approximate costs based on my own experience. Certainly not trying to isolate anyone by saying they should or shouldn't be able to afford it. That being said, there's lots of fun to still be had in flight sim or taking an occasional exposure flight with a flight school. Consider looking into local EAA chapters, you might be able to make some pilot friends and go along with them from time to time to still get in the air. Anything to be around aviation!
Well you made most of your problem known when you say you have to "get it past your wife" my word dude. Who wears the pants in your household? Yeah! Exactly! And 34k a year is like what I made 20 years ago out of high-school at 10 or 11 buck an hr!! Shit! Get a better job! Aint no reason you can't be making 60 to 100k a year! Hell yes you can! This country is full of opportunities and people with excuses. It's the best time to prosper when everyone is moping around crying about how bad things are then you know it's a good time to jump on opportunities. Endless job opportunities out there and people begging for help! Name your own pay rate basically! Oh and I saw a nice 150 on barnstormers.com the other day with a few hrs on a new rebuild for 30k I believe! Don't get any better than that! Times are good when you shut off the news, stop focusing on the negative, take the pants 👖 away from your wife and make shit happen! Your wife will want to rip your 👖 off if you do so it's a win win! 🏆 😁
@@lovetofly32 It's $1200/month for something you use maybe 50 hours a year. Something that costs $1200/month better appreciate in value or make me $1600/mo.
Thanks for your information on flying, I started looking into finding out the cost of learning how to fly a aircraft a few days ago. I've always wanted to but I'm not getting any younger.
Thats a really useful ball park guide that will assist many people as a starting point ,there are many variables to this and avenues to take,just make sure that aircraft maintenance is properly figured in whatever vintage of aircraft you fly and however you intend to tackle airworthiness.
Great analysis, but what about repairs? Things inevitably break and the price of simple things can be outrageous. In 2002 I was flying a C172 when tower told me my mode c wasn’t working. I landed and taxied over to the radio shop where the mode c unit had to be replaced. $1000. I’m glad I wasn’t the owner of that plane. Okay, that adds $2.74 / day, but it’s just an example of how blind expenses may pop up.
Thank you so much for forgetting all about my Piper Colt. I just purchased a low time Colt with an upgraded engine for $7500. I put about $2300 into the first annual and now have a plane that isn't "fly"nanced, is cheap on maintenance and gas, and can fulfill mission (yes, I watched your other video!). Keep up the great work.
@@lastdeadmouse7 He ACTUALLY mentioned the 150/152/172...which are basically the same airframe also. I honestly meant the thanks...it keeps the price of my plane low so parts will remain cheap.
Cessna 150 and 152 = 2 people, loud and slow. Cherokee 140 = not as friendly as a Piper Warrior with the tapered wing, slightly faster though. Piper Tri-Pacer, loud and cloth skin. Grumman Tiger, had great hopes for it, but a Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee 140 is probably a better aircraft. Although I know about it, i'm not familiar with the Beechcraft Musketeer, never flew one. Thank you for this video.
Thanks for that vid. I plan to buy a plane next year and have been looking around already. Here in Oz theybare more expensive tp buy. But your video was good none the less. Cheers.
Canada too. Planes north of the border are a good bit more than the same plane in the USA, even when considering the exchange rate. I've been looking for a Maule and when I see it's located in Canada, I just keep looking. I've also been keeping an eye out for a hangar. I haven't found one available in the state I live in. I'm going to have to find a farmer that used to fly and wants to rent me a spot.
I had 1976 150M with 40d flaps. 3723V was the example aircraft in AOPA Pilot mag Best Buy article. I think 10’s production was stopped in 1977. The 152 continued to be produced until 1985.
Great video! Just finishing up my PPL and I just bought a FG cardinal 177 with a partner and I'm certain we can get very close to those numbers. It's also great to only have to pay 1/2 of the invoices too!
Hi Travis - congrats on finishing your PPL!! So awesome. And congrats on the Cardinal... i have not flown one myself but all Cardinal owners I've ever met have RAVED about them. Have so much fun!
Just fiund your channel, great video!! I'm early into my PPL training (15hrs) but making good progress and looking to buy my first plane soon. Thanks for the info.
Have you soloed yet? I'm around 65 hours and I'm about to retake my checkride. Make sure you know the Airmen Certification Standards inside and out. I wish I would of done a proper online ground school instead of having my CFI hang out with me in the conference room for a few hours here and there when the weather was too bad to fly.
Thanks. Good video! Very interestingly I right away said that I can’t afford that.......... then........I. Compared these costs to my 39 foot sailboat ( yacht) equipped to cross an ocean. 1980’s vintage. Wow! Amazingly close almost across the board. The annual for me is haul out bottom job and misc. I mean really about the same. And I have seen some very interesting sport/experimental aircraft that could fit nicely in here. Again, good stuff. Thanks.
How much is the 182 cost per day? That is the aircraft I'm looking to buy. I like the cessna, highwing. They handle great in the air. Plus I would be flying family to Memphis from North Georgia and back. But mostly flying my wife and myself on vacations. I want to have the useful load with some to spare for weight and balance safety.
Correction: In the 152 the flaps were REDUCED to 30 max. The 150 had flaps 40, which was just in play in an accident yesterday (Dan Gryder's crash). Setting flaps to 40 in a 150 is asking for trouble, thus they reduced fully extended flaps to 30 in the next model.
I think it could have been on there! There were probably several more that definitely could have been on this list but I didn't want it to be too too long.
Before COVID after COVID. The market prices for everything hads fluctuated so much, cars, boats, and even airplanes. I just don’t understand how. First prices were very reasonable before COVID, then briefly prices dropped and you could get a fantastic deal if you looked, then prices skyrocketed to the moon. After COVID I expected things to “normalize “ but that hasn’t been my experience. Prices are still vey high. I can’t understand why
Hi Charley. I was going to get a plane not too long ago and put my name on hanger waiting lists at several DFW airports (Tarrant and Dallas counties). One thing led to another and I wasn’t able to follow thru with the plane purchase. About more than a year (or perhaps more) after I put my name on the waiting lists I forgot about it. Almost another year went by and I received a call from someone at one of the airports where my name was on the list (not saying the name but it was a more rural one south of Fort Worth) called me and said they had a hanger for me. Sadly after that long wait I had to turn it down. What have you heard about hanger space availability lately? Thanks I really enjoyed that video. You rock sir!
Hi Roger - I can relate to your experience. Finding a hangar was way harder than I thought it would be in DFW. I pay more than I'd like to at Addison but having a hangar at all is a good asset. Just have to call every airport and see what the wait list is like and where you can find something. You might have to drive farther than you want for a while to get to your airplane before something closer opens up. Non-aviation community doesn't understand the hangar shortage so sometimes it isn't really on the city's radar to put public funding towards this (since a lot of airports are owned by the city, county, etc.).
Flying Clubs ? Back in the day the Rockwell flying Club had planes at most LA area airports, it was really low cost, I joined RRFC. the Grumman American AA1B Yankee was $16.50 per hour wet. GA AA5B Tiger $??? forgotten $30 and out of my range the Rockwell Commander 112TC, retractable gear. Torrance, Hawthorne, Long Beach, Van Nuys, LOL
My Grumman Cheetah (AA-5A) is exactly the same airframe as the Grumman Tiger you mentioned but 160hp vs 180hp for the Tiger. This results in a lower fuel burn for about 10kts less speed which is fine with me. In short, if you can afford a 'classic' muscle car, you can afford to own an airplane. New Sub!
Can you another airplane like this at 2023 prices? Because now, a Cessna 172/175 and Grumman Tigers are WAY out of reach at around $100k for a descent model.
I like the video, it was very informative. I just have one question, where do you think the Piper Tomahawk would fit into your list? I know the PA38 has a bad reputation for being unstable, so please no flaming because of my question.
I'm a little surprised the tomahawk missed the list. I guess the the running costs would be similar to the C150. I believe the unstable characteristics are somewhat over exaggerated and would not be an issue with good training. Personally I would spend the extra bucks on the 150/152. Your passengers will feel more confident and it will be much easier to resell if need be. The cessna is an iconic trainer for a good reason.
@@maxmackinlay618 I've watched several videos about the Tomahawk, yes it was unstable at one point and it could go into a spin easily especially when stalling. However, once they put the lift disrupters on the leading edge it has become a stable platform. I'm adding a link to a video that points this out. ruclips.net/video/p45kA_w47-I/видео.html . If I had the money I would buy a Tomahawk in a heartbeat
@@BrianRhodes9763 Yeah, I've been watching also and they are a great looking and handling bird. Also been looking at (general) videos of buying pitfalls and maintenance costs to get a clearer picture. I wish the $40 a day included $30 of avgas lol. Best of luck in achieving your goal.
I think the Tomahawk could have been on there, along with several others. My intention was to provide the framework so you could put in your own assumptions for any airplane you'd like in this ballpark.
The two I've always wanted are kind of opposites. A Piper Super Cub, and a V Tail Bonanza. BTW I flew a Sundowner for maybe 40 - 50 hours and found it to be a very comfortable roomy aircraft. If your a big guy, it's probably one of the best choices.
Good info! The super cub is a LOT of fun. That's what I originally learned to fly in and have about 150 hours in it now. Not a ton, but enough to get comfortable with it. Incredibly fun airplane. Lots of pilots flying the big birds (777's and the like) still say their favorite plane is a piper super cub.
So, would you consider doing this with your 182? I'm looking for a 182, a Mooney or Maule (i know, different missions) but I would really like a look at your approximate figures. Great video, very informative,as was the 6 questions video. Both very helpful.
Thanks David, glad you found it helpful. 182 will be more expensive than this calc. I'll probably put together a separate video on this, but for now, I'd use the calcs in this video and adjust accordingly for the model (payment, fuel burn, etc.).
Very cool video. Consider this: you're paying $12k per year to own an airplane, and the first 100 flight hours are included for free. Not such a bad deal if you think about it.
Great stuff. My first airplane was a 1968 180 hp Piper Arrow. I paid for a tie down instead of a hangar and it saved some money. Had only one radio and that saved on the purchase price. It's been a lot of years ago, but I paid $10,500 for it and flew it everywhere. It was a blast! I had a friend who owned a Musketeer and he loved it. I did fly a 152 Aerobat in my training and it was a lot of fun. Maneuvers in it are a lot of fun. The bottom line is that flying is never cheap but it is a whole lot of fun and worth every penny. My wife lets me have an airplane but not a motorcycle. I can live with that! Only 3% of the population are pilots. What a special group. Fly On!
Agreed - flying isn't "cheap" but I was just trying to illustrate a few airplanes that can cost less than others, and the assumptions behind how that's possible. As long as you're living within your means and it's where you want to dedicate your time and resources, in my opinion aviation is worth every penny. It has been for me, anyways.
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I’m retired so I’m on a fixed income. The way I did it was to sell some land that I had and used that money towards buying a hangar and a C-182 outright otherwise I couldn’t afford to have an airplane. My yearly insurance is $832.00 and my yearly payment to the county for the land lease of where my hangar sits is $300.00. If everything goes well with my owner assist annual it’s $500.00, for a total price of $1632.00/year fixed cost if I don’t fly the airplane. Cost of fuel at the airport is $3.75/gallon.
smart way to go, though I think I would have a very hard time selling any land off, but if it fulfills a dream, and it’s land you weren’t using and hopefully you didn’t sell off all of your land, because that would also be a little sad, being a country boy, from the Ozarks anytime someone has to sell land for any reason always makes me a little sad, well unless I’m the one buying it, lol!
I recently bought a 1974 Beechcraft Musketeer Sport. It's an interesting plane, in that the 150hp engine the Sport came with was replaced by the factory with a 180hp Lycoming O-360. It's also had some additional modifications made to it such that it's effectively a Sundowner. The only practical difference is that it only has two windows on each side instead of three.
I love it. I'm not a small guy, so the roominess is appreciated. It's true that it's not the fastest plane, but I needed something to build time in, but also wanted something with some room to grow. This plane fills those needs nicely.
Good info. Based on my 20 years of ownership experience, this is a very accurate estimate of ownership costs. It will be lower for Cessna 150's and piper 140s and higher for Cessna 175 and Grumman tiger. My yearly cost for about 70 hours of flying averages $730/mo. This does not include the cost of the plane. I started in a 2 person partnership. 2 or 3 partners are a good number to make airplane ownership more affordable. Trust me, you are never going to fly as much as you think and the worst thing for a plane is for It to sit on the ramp. Just make sure you pick your partners carefully.
Thanks for saying all of this. I appreciate it!
Cessna 150 vs piper 140
$40 per day is a lot more than $730/ month. Did you have a hangar?
@@reyesben Shade port.
Is 730 for partnership or for your own
1:09 150 / 1:36 152
2:07 172
2:39 175
3:09 Ch 140
3:44 TriPacer
4:17 Grumman Tiger
4:41 Beech Musketeer
5:28 analysis
I know 15k a year is expensive for most including myself but it really is a matter of priorities. One of my friends decided to get a part time job that allowed him to earn an extra 12k a year and he loved knowing that hustling for that extra work allowed him to guilt free fly whenever he wanted.
May i ask where from the us you are from? An how much do you think the average us guy makes per year, after taxes?
Greetings from europe
I think 15k a year is a value. I personally think if you make less then 175k you should should be more focused on investing and not flying but evert is different. I think a monthly budget of about 2500 is a great starting place for pilots. I under not everyone can just write a check for repairs and anything the plane needs. And that is why I don’t think people should finance a small plan. If you want a larger jet then sure finance it but a small single engine place I think it’s better to pay cash and then have a budget if 2500 a month and you will enjoy flying But I do understood not everyone can do that.
"Man, how I'd love to go flying but I'm so tired from that second job and the overtime from my primary job, and it's raining now and I'm not IFR, and I have all this stuff that needs taking care of around the house, and my brother's birthday party across town is Sunday afternoon, and...."
@@HiroNguy what kind of goo goo murder are you smoking little man?
Oil lab data analysis expenses should be included under the oil change costs. Very important data to know monitoring engine wear and safety.
Great info! My personal experience - I own a 182RG. Hangar space in Chicagoland is WAY more expensive than you mentioned, but not quite as high as you are paying. My annual cost is around $1,800, insurance also around $1,800. Does it make financial sense? Not a chance. But that's why I go to work every day. Our kids are grown, and I finally have the time and money to do this right. I want to fly that plane until I'm sick and tired of it, hopefully a very long time. Thanks for making the video, I enjoy all your videos.
On the 150 vs 152, what I've seen from flying them is the reverse of what was mentioned on flaps. The 150's I fly go up to 40 degrees, while the 152 is limited to 30 degrees
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Yeah, I did ppl training in both and I always had 30 in the 152 and 40 on the 150. There's probably exceptions though
Thats right, less flaps= more Money
Thank you for the work you put into making these videos! They are down to earth, very informative, and well presented. You're doing a great job!
Wow! Thanks so much, Paul. That means a lot to me!
As a kid growing up in SW KS, I heard stories of Clyde Cessna in his Jenny flying out to Bucklin, KS (my home town) and giving rides. Yep he was a barnstormer! My first ride in an airplane was a 172. I've loved flying ever since. Keep up the great work.
Hey Charlie, thank you for yet another excellent video. You have a way of putting the viewer at ease with no bragging or ego trip. I always come away with more knowledge and it's usually very helpful tips for the entry or like myself, pre entry level aviator.
Hi John - thanks for your nice words and I appreciate the comment! Really glad you've been finding the channel useful. Thanks for participating.
very informative. You might consider looking at some LSAs given the impending changes that MOSAIC is likely to implement. I'm new to this stuff, but I saw a video where they said 20 years ago most LSAs were motorized kites. Today, with the improvements in lightweight materials, you can buy entire planes that are as roomy as a C150 with similar performance characteristics. In fact, as proposed, the new MOSAIC metrics would include C150/152s and possibly 170/172s. But for those looking for power and speed, some of these newest LSAs will be able to double their power and speed while not even doubling their weight, all of which will be possible under MOSAIC, and the cost increases will not need to double.
I never thought I would get a quick Accounting lesson from an aircraft video... good job
Whatever airplane you buy, the most important part is a good pre-buy inspection by a mechanic familiar with all the expensive gotchas for that aircraft. A bargain airplane more often than not becomes a maintenance money pit soon after buying it. Also in my experience, the most difficult aspect of buying a first plane was finding a place to hangar it. If you plan to just tie it outside then it's not that bad, but indoors is preferable, especially with fabric covered airplanes or severe storm prone areas. Most airports seem to have a waiting list a mile long of people needing hangar space. I hangared in a town over an hour away for six months until luckily a space at a nearby private airport opened up. Of the aircraft you listed, I bought a Tri-Pacer and love it.
So maybe is possible! Thanks for breaking it down for me. Look forward to practical vids such as this and the 7 planes. Keep em coming and try out PK sometime!!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for putting your thoughts out there and sharing what you have discovered. Cost vary drastically from geographic, airplane, type of flying, availability, etc. I'm just finishing up my PPL and I want to buy a plane to complete my ratings and build time. I found that if I find 2 other like minded pilots, it becomes extremely affordable. The cost savings on rental vs buying over ~250 hours is huge! Plus the added bonus of not fighting all the other students for flight time is big time. Flying is a hobby or investment in education that is not cheap, but not anymore expensive than other hobbies. I know people that spend more than $1,000 a month on golf, boating, etc.
Good thoughts and I agree. Thanks for sharing! -Charlie
I never considered the possibility of splitting the costs with a trusted friend. Great idea. Sharing with 1 or 2 people would still beat the heck out of renting
Hey Shawn, would you mind sharing some more info with me please. I am a student pilot, getting my ppl in a month and a half or so, working towards my commercial rating
For what it’s worth I owned a AA1B for almost four years. Sold her two months ago. Was a dream to fly and fairly economical burning 5.5 GPH. Downside was payload and range but my mission was to do primarily local 1-2 hour flights so never had a problem. If your mission is to burn holes in the sky chasing clouds then this may be a plane to consider!
You just did a good job explaining why I decided to learn how to fly powered paragliders rather than airplanes.
Powered paragliders are a wonderful way to Fly, IMO! I can't see gliding without a motor. Just my appreciation for flying and opinion. Happy Gliding and Clear Skies!
Are they not also considered the most dangerous planes? I do not know if the information I heard was true but something along of the lines of a good portion of the aviation accidents happen in powered paragliders? If not, they do seem great, but they also can be flown without a license which could lead to cause behind all the accidents, lack of overall aviation knowledge?
Umm I'm not expert but why not go for ultralight power HANGglider? Much more plane like it seems and a tad safer
Great video. I owned a 150 for awhile and thought it was worth every penny.
Most of these airplanes can legally be flown on autofuel. At $2/gallon x 8 gallons/hr=$16. If you use 100LL you are spending an extra $24/hour. You can do your own oil changes and save >$100/hour. You can help out on the annual inspections and save several hundred $. There are many repairs one can legally do and one can buy real airplane parts from aircraft salvage dealers. And, if you have any friends, you can go halfsies with him/her/it.
Definitely a lot of ways to save!
two ownership concepts/questions that would also be helpful to hear your perspective:
- partial ownership: pros/cons of formally partnering (LLC) with one or two other partners to share cost and flight time.
- lease-back: cost-benefit of leasing the airplane to a flight school/FBO and letting them manage/track/schedule the maintenance and rentals. Does that generate enough revenue to offset the increased usage and maintenance, and to reduce your cost of ownership?
thx!
AV Web had a good article on it here I'd suggest. There are pros and cons to doing partial ownership or leaseback and it really just depends on your unique situation. Personally I wouldn't do a leaseback and I'd only do partial ownership for the right situation where either it was a niche plane I wasn't going to use a lot and wanted a co-owner or I was really tight with the other owner and we were really aligned on the money side (i.e. not skimping on maintenance ever), how we'd split up use the airplane, what it looks like if someone wants out, etc (and I'd put it all in writing so there's no room for question)... all in all I would prefer owning it outright whenever possible just to avoid those issues. But it can be done successfully.
www.avweb.com/ownership/is-a-leaseback-good-for-you/
Look into LSA/Experimental class airplanes/flying...can be much less expensive!
Great video but if possible I would recommend avoiding financing. I was able to cut a lot of costs and saved enough to buy my Maule. I just kept my old diesel Jetta that was paid for and my truck same. But what is funny is that the guys I know that say flying is too expensive are driving big diesel trucks and expénsive car.
Hello fellow Maule pilot 👋
I drive old cars that I paid cash for. Flying is for the rich. If you are having to scrape funds together to fly you most likely aren't saving and will be destitute when you get to an age where you can no longer work
I would add the Piper PA38 Tomahawk to the list. if only because it can be used for spin training rather than just spin avoidance.
The best 2 days of owning my airplane was the day I bought it and the day I sold it....was the best way to turn money into noise.
I've only watched 2 of your videos and I'm already hooked! Great content here. Although I'm planning on buying a plane for post-Covid business travel (and thus not really in the Cessna-level category), I am considering buying a second plane for personal use like a Cessna or Beechcraft. So this is all relevant info and all great information to consider. Thanks again for sharing this.
Thanks Owen! Really glad you found it useful!
Whether 100% accurate or not (which you definitely sound like you have done your research) thank you for that breakdown. I have been watching videos of PPC and PPG for over a year and just bought my first powered parachute trike. I won’t pick it up till Spring and this winter am getting my pilots license. I do t need my license to fly my PPC but I have always wanted one and at 45 decided I’m ready and it’s time. I had no idea what my daily or yearly expenses would look like so thank you very much for the breakdown.
I’m also a new subscriber (yesterday) and appreciate your content and how well you explain things.
I’m in Ohio but would love to meet up someday. I believe in inspiring others as you talk and hope to pay it forward someday.
Thank you.
Thanks for the comment! And I'm working on putting some meet ups together, maybe we'll make it to Ohio at some point! Would love to do some flying in and around that area. Your parachute trike sounds like a freakin blast.
My buddy had a 152. Only pilot I’ve gotten to know personally. Think he’s updated to a 172/182 since he had children.
Awesome, Charlie! Love the all the videos.
Thank you!
Discovered your channel just yesterday. I really like it since I'm very interested in aviation and aiming to get a LAPL(A) soon!
I've always dreamed of an own airplane.
Greetings from Germany!
Just go for your PPL, you can do more with it...
@felic. Check out worms airport and Coleman aero club for FAA ppl
Thank you!
I purchased a C150k for $14,000 cash nine years ago. 9,000 hr airframe, 1200 hr smoh, Annual averages $1500 including some replaced parts like tires etc. liability insurance only is $208/yr, mogas $3.80/ gal at 4.8 gal/ hr, tiedown $40/ mo. The plane now has 1800 hrs with good engine and avionics health but exterior paint has degraded to the point of needing new paint in a few years. I couldn’t be happier with affordability and reliability given from this small Cessna. I hope this may inspire you to keep it simple and pay cash and/ or in part, personal loan.
Look at the experimental/homebuilts for great performance with a fraction of the operating costs of certified airplanes.
Any recommendations on experimentals?
I came upon your channel and have found it to be very informative and interesting. Thanks for posting helpful videos. 😊
I'm so glad you enjoy the channel! Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for this video. You are way too kind. This is awesome information. I love your content. Keep up the great work. You are a very knowledgeable pilot with a kind heart. God bless you and your family.
Thanks for saying so! Really nice of you to say.
Love your 182. I just bought a 172 low hrs new paint 340 TBO and l live in the Dallas area. Thanks for the lake Texoma tip and keep up the good work.
Congratulations and that sounds like a great set up! And yes Cedar Mills on Texoma is a must. Worth the short walk over to Pelican's Landing for a meal also (they have an odd schedule, particularly during COVID so call ahead to make sure they'll be open).
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Nice. Realistic. Very informative. Thank you. Much appreciated.
I’m pretty sure the 152 max flaps is 30 degrees while the 150 is 40 degrees. They reduced max flaps to reduced risk for training pilots (at least in theory).
I'm all over my 150 with a protractor the next time I'm at the airport. I hope my entire training wasn't a lie.
You're right. 40 degrees is fun!
I fly a 150H in a club and can confirm 40 degrees max flap extension. I never go past 30 as it's not necessary and less flaps to take out if I have to go around.
Best informative clear and concise video of cost of ownership- thank you
Wow! Thanks so much.
@@AirplaneAcademy i am looking to buy a plane, which i have a handle on but don’t know if the hanger needs to come first or the plane. I live near Addison so am thinking thats where i should park it but also hear probably not going to have any luck with hangers there. Any advice?
Thank you for making this video it was really helpful enjoyed watching it 👍
I'm so glad you enjoyed it and it was helpful!
Great info bro! Keep up the good work, I’m happy to see your channel grow!
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it.
Not any more thanks to Covid. Before Covid, you could buy a great time building for around $50K or less. Those same aircraft today are $100-$150K or more in the same condition. The only thing you can practically get under $50k now is 60+-year-old aircraft in original condition at or near TBO that need a lot of exterior, interior, and avionics updates. Buying a Cessna is like buying an Apple phone, it does the same thing as every other 2-4 seater aircraft but at $15k - $20k extra on the cost, because you're paying for the Cessna name.
It's going to take a year or two, maybe even more to before we see prices begin to fall back to where they should be as everyone and their brother is using Covid as a way to profit on their merchandise. Supply and demand is the major killer right now. There isn't a lot on the market so the prices are much higher. All in all, this is good info when the prices are right but I would highly suggest not to buy a plane right now. It's a great time to sell but definitely not a good time to buy. Just wait!
Great advice. What aircraft do you suggest that is equal to a Cessna 150? I'm comparing purchasing vs renting for flight lessons, etc.
@@Estebanserrano96 Look at the Flight Design CTSW
Charlie. This is probably the fourth time I've watched this video and taken copious refresher notes. Thanks for producing great content and information.
By the way. Love the shirt fella! Where'd you get it? (I'm guessing that's a logo shirt with your initials on it?)
Thanks Dan! Really glad you found it useful. And thanks about the shirt... haha my Dad actually made these for my bachelor party a few years ago. We were going fishing and so he had shirts made for everyone and the super cub is towing a bass. They were a big hit!
@@AirplaneAcademy RATS!! I thought maybe you had some cool "support the channel" merch that you were making available. 🙁
BTW... Is that you in a set of dress blues with your bride in that picture that's behind your chair in some of your videos?
Just found you. Pls keep up the videos. Awesome.
Man, airplane prices have gone insane since the making of this video. Lol.
I like the estimates. You do a great job of explaining how you arrive at them. The issue I have is that it works out to an average of $1,200/month. For a lot of people. $1,200/month for a 'fun' item IS by definition prohibitively expensive. The average median income in the United States is $33,706. A person falling into this range would be spending 43% of their income to own an airplane. Even if they make twice the median income you are still talking about roughly 20% of their income. Based on what I can afford to spend, I would need the aircraft to have a daily cost of about $5 to $10 per day in order for it to be even close to affordable. In order to get it past my wife, I'd have to get it down to closer to $100/month. I'm open to suggestions, but I've run the numbers the best I can and I can't find a way I can fly anything other than a Flight Sim or perhaps a PPG and our local weather isn't conducive to PPG's very often.
Thanks for the comment. Sorry if it came off this way, but I wasn't trying to make the argument as to whether or not $1,200 was a lot or a little, because you're right it's all relative. I was trying to highlight a few traditionally "less expensive" aircraft (in relation to the spectrum of aviation) to own and operate and the breakdown of approximate costs based on my own experience. Certainly not trying to isolate anyone by saying they should or shouldn't be able to afford it. That being said, there's lots of fun to still be had in flight sim or taking an occasional exposure flight with a flight school. Consider looking into local EAA chapters, you might be able to make some pilot friends and go along with them from time to time to still get in the air. Anything to be around aviation!
Well you made most of your problem known when you say you have to "get it past your wife" my word dude. Who wears the pants in your household? Yeah! Exactly! And 34k a year is like what I made 20 years ago out of high-school at 10 or 11 buck an hr!! Shit! Get a better job! Aint no reason you can't be making 60 to 100k a year! Hell yes you can! This country is full of opportunities and people with excuses. It's the best time to prosper when everyone is moping around crying about how bad things are then you know it's a good time to jump on opportunities. Endless job opportunities out there and people begging for help! Name your own pay rate basically! Oh and I saw a nice 150 on barnstormers.com the other day with a few hrs on a new rebuild for 30k I believe! Don't get any better than that! Times are good when you shut off the news, stop focusing on the negative, take the pants 👖 away from your wife and make shit happen! Your wife will want to rip your 👖 off if you do so it's a win win! 🏆 😁
@@lovetofly32 It's $1200/month for something you use maybe 50 hours a year. Something that costs $1200/month better appreciate in value or make me $1600/mo.
Thanks for your information on flying, I started looking into finding out the cost of learning how to fly a aircraft a few days ago. I've always wanted to but I'm not getting any younger.
This is a really well done and informative video. Thank you for your work.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that.
Thats a really useful ball park guide that will assist many people as a starting point ,there are many variables to this and avenues to take,just make sure that aircraft maintenance is properly figured in whatever vintage of aircraft you fly and however you intend to tackle airworthiness.
Great information We appreciate the time to do the video that helps a lot
I'm so glad! :
Good work, thanks for the numbers!
Great analysis, but what about repairs? Things inevitably break and the price of simple things can be outrageous. In 2002 I was flying a C172 when tower told me my mode c wasn’t working. I landed and taxied over to the radio shop where the mode c unit had to be replaced. $1000. I’m glad I wasn’t the owner of that plane.
Okay, that adds $2.74 / day, but it’s just an example of how blind expenses may pop up.
Thank you so much for forgetting all about my Piper Colt. I just purchased a low time Colt with an upgraded engine for $7500. I put about $2300 into the first annual and now have a plane that isn't "fly"nanced, is cheap on maintenance and gas, and can fulfill mission (yes, I watched your other video!). Keep up the great work.
Technically, he mentioned the pacer, and the Colt is the same airframe lol.
@@lastdeadmouse7 He ACTUALLY mentioned the 150/152/172...which are basically the same airframe also. I honestly meant the thanks...it keeps the price of my plane low so parts will remain cheap.
How much leg room does the Colt have? How big of a guy are you?
@@russellsmith3825 I'm 5'9" so plenty of legroom! And I weigh 168 so doubtful I could ever overload it either.
@@neskyz4259 yeah I'm 6'2" with a 50"chest and about 285 so I feel like Mr Incredible in his bubble car in many airframes.
Great Job o this Video, I can see it took a lot of work. I Subbed and looking forward to more Vids and Info! Thumbs Up!
Thank you so much! Excited to have you subsribe!
Cessna 150 and 152 = 2 people, loud and slow. Cherokee 140 = not as friendly as a Piper Warrior with the tapered wing, slightly faster though. Piper Tri-Pacer, loud and cloth skin. Grumman Tiger, had great hopes for it, but a Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee 140 is probably a better aircraft. Although I know about it, i'm not familiar with the Beechcraft Musketeer, never flew one. Thank you for this video.
Excellent calculations. Thank you for this nice video. Great info.
Thank you! Really glad you found it helpful.
Nice job Charley !
Liked/Subscribed !
Thank you! Pumped to have you as a subscriber!
Good report, inspiring me to get back into flying. Thanks
Dude GREAT VIDEO!
I guess this answers the question I posted in your other video, so thank you!
Nice job guy, very informative and thought provoking.
Much appreciated! Glad it was helpful.
Thanks for that vid. I plan to buy a plane next year and have been looking around already. Here in Oz theybare more expensive tp buy. But your video was good none the less. Cheers.
Canada too. Planes north of the border are a good bit more than the same plane in the USA, even when considering the exchange rate. I've been looking for a Maule and when I see it's located in Canada, I just keep looking. I've also been keeping an eye out for a hangar. I haven't found one available in the state I live in. I'm going to have to find a farmer that used to fly and wants to rent me a spot.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed.
I had 1976 150M with 40d flaps. 3723V was the example aircraft in AOPA Pilot mag Best Buy article. I think 10’s production was stopped in 1977. The 152 continued to be produced until 1985.
Awesome Video! Thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed!
Great video! Just finishing up my PPL and I just bought a FG cardinal 177 with a partner and I'm certain we can get very close to those numbers. It's also great to only have to pay 1/2 of the invoices too!
Hi Travis - congrats on finishing your PPL!! So awesome. And congrats on the Cardinal... i have not flown one myself but all Cardinal owners I've ever met have RAVED about them. Have so much fun!
@@AirplaneAcademy Thanks!
Thanks Charles!! Appreciate your videos! 🙏🏻
I appreciate that!
Thanks Charlie for breaking this down and makes it simple to understand.
Thanks so much for saying so. Glad it was helpful!
I've owned seven airplanes. Buying an airplane is the cheapest thing that you'll ever do. After that, they get very expensive.
Just fiund your channel, great video!! I'm early into my PPL training (15hrs) but making good progress and looking to buy my first plane soon. Thanks for the info.
Fantastic! That's all great news. Best of luck with your PPL!
Have you soloed yet? I'm around 65 hours and I'm about to retake my checkride. Make sure you know the Airmen Certification Standards inside and out. I wish I would of done a proper online ground school instead of having my CFI hang out with me in the conference room for a few hours here and there when the weather was too bad to fly.
How about efficient aircraft made from modern materials such as Pipistrel and other SLA and E-SLA?
Thanks. Good video! Very interestingly I right away said that I can’t afford that.......... then........I. Compared these costs to my 39 foot sailboat ( yacht) equipped to cross an ocean. 1980’s vintage. Wow! Amazingly close almost across the board. The annual for me is haul out bottom job and misc. I mean really about the same. And I have seen some very interesting sport/experimental aircraft that could fit nicely in here. Again, good stuff. Thanks.
I have heard a lot of parallels to boat ownership!
Very educational. Good knowledge.
Glad it is helpful!
Good video with great information.
So glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful.
Great information, Charlie. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent stuff bro, got the want to not the money
Great video! Just found your channel and love your content. I subscribed!
So glad and thank you for subscribing! Pumped to have you.
Awesome content.
How much is the 182 cost per day? That is the aircraft I'm looking to buy. I like the cessna, highwing. They handle great in the air. Plus I would be flying family to Memphis from North Georgia and back. But mostly flying my wife and myself on vacations. I want to have the useful load with some to spare for weight and balance safety.
Correction: In the 152 the flaps were REDUCED to 30 max. The 150 had flaps 40, which was just in play in an accident yesterday (Dan Gryder's crash). Setting flaps to 40 in a 150 is asking for trouble, thus they reduced fully extended flaps to 30 in the next model.
Really helpful video. Could you do something similar for LSA aircraft?
Hi Charlie... the Piper Tomahawk didn’t make your list?
I think it could have been on there! There were probably several more that definitely could have been on this list but I didn't want it to be too too long.
They made areobat 150s as well and the flaps on the original 150 opened to 40 degrees. They only open to 30 on the 152
You just do not know what have you done!
Fired a dream that I am afraid Will never stop!
Before COVID after COVID. The market prices for everything hads fluctuated so much, cars, boats, and even airplanes. I just don’t understand how. First prices were very reasonable before COVID, then briefly prices dropped and you could get a fantastic deal if you looked, then prices skyrocketed to the moon. After COVID I expected things to “normalize “ but that hasn’t been my experience. Prices are still vey high. I can’t understand why
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Hi Charley. I was going to get a plane not too long ago and put my name on hanger waiting lists at several DFW airports (Tarrant and Dallas counties). One thing led to another and I wasn’t able to follow thru with the plane purchase. About more than a year (or perhaps more) after I put my name on the waiting lists I forgot about it. Almost another year went by and I received a call from someone at one of the airports where my name was on the list (not saying the name but it was a more rural one south of Fort Worth) called me and said they had a hanger for me. Sadly after that long wait I had to turn it down. What have you heard about hanger space availability lately?
Thanks I really enjoyed that video. You rock sir!
Hi Roger - I can relate to your experience. Finding a hangar was way harder than I thought it would be in DFW. I pay more than I'd like to at Addison but having a hangar at all is a good asset. Just have to call every airport and see what the wait list is like and where you can find something. You might have to drive farther than you want for a while to get to your airplane before something closer opens up. Non-aviation community doesn't understand the hangar shortage so sometimes it isn't really on the city's radar to put public funding towards this (since a lot of airports are owned by the city, county, etc.).
Another great YT recommendation, nice ^^
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed.
That’s the best math I’ve seen for GA
Until you multiply $40 by 365 😳
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Flying Clubs ? Back in the day the Rockwell flying Club had planes at most LA area airports, it was really low cost, I joined RRFC.
the Grumman American AA1B Yankee was $16.50 per hour wet. GA AA5B Tiger $??? forgotten $30 and out of my range the Rockwell Commander 112TC,
retractable gear. Torrance, Hawthorne, Long Beach, Van Nuys, LOL
I remember in the early 90's Warriors and 172s were like 30-35 an hour wet in South Jersey.
My Grumman Cheetah (AA-5A) is exactly the same airframe as the Grumman Tiger you mentioned but 160hp vs 180hp for the Tiger. This results in a lower fuel burn for about 10kts less speed which is fine with me. In short, if you can afford a 'classic' muscle car, you can afford to own an airplane. New Sub!
Nicely said and I agree! And pumped to have you!
The Cheetah is more fun to fly than the 172. Just feels more sporty.
Great plane! Great video, glad I found your channel.
Signed,
A student pilot/new subscriber! 😎
Awesome, thank you!
you mentioned St. Francis, Kansas….are you from around there?? curious because i grew up in western ks and St. Francis was in our league.
I am not but one of my friends is, and he helped me think through some of this video. So his town naturally came up and I included it.
@@AirplaneAcademy badass…thanks.
Can you another airplane like this at 2023 prices? Because now, a Cessna 172/175 and Grumman Tigers are WAY out of reach at around $100k for a descent model.
I like the video, it was very informative. I just have one question, where do you think the Piper Tomahawk would fit into your list? I know the PA38 has a bad reputation for being unstable, so please no flaming because of my question.
I'm a little surprised the tomahawk missed the list. I guess the the running costs would be similar to the C150. I believe the unstable characteristics are somewhat over exaggerated and would not be an issue with good training. Personally I would spend the extra bucks on the 150/152. Your passengers will feel more confident and it will be much easier to resell if need be. The cessna is an iconic trainer for a good reason.
@@maxmackinlay618 I've watched several videos about the Tomahawk, yes it was unstable at one point and it could go into a spin easily especially when stalling. However, once they put the lift disrupters on the leading edge it has become a stable platform. I'm adding a link to a video that points this out. ruclips.net/video/p45kA_w47-I/видео.html . If I had the money I would buy a Tomahawk in a heartbeat
@@BrianRhodes9763 Yeah, I've been watching also and they are a great looking and handling bird. Also been looking at (general) videos of buying pitfalls and maintenance costs to get a clearer picture. I wish the $40 a day included $30 of avgas lol. Best of luck in achieving your goal.
I think the Tomahawk could have been on there, along with several others. My intention was to provide the framework so you could put in your own assumptions for any airplane you'd like in this ballpark.
@@AirplaneAcademy that’s a fair assessment, thanks for The response. For some reason the Tomahawk really has my eye.
I think the one thing that makes flying expensive is the license. In the US I have had quotes in the range of $10000. In the UK is about £10000 ..
The two I've always wanted are kind of opposites. A Piper Super Cub, and a V Tail Bonanza. BTW I flew a Sundowner for maybe 40 - 50 hours and found it to be a very comfortable roomy aircraft. If your a big guy, it's probably one of the best choices.
Good info! The super cub is a LOT of fun. That's what I originally learned to fly in and have about 150 hours in it now. Not a ton, but enough to get comfortable with it. Incredibly fun airplane. Lots of pilots flying the big birds (777's and the like) still say their favorite plane is a piper super cub.
Great video. Question. Is the cost of ownership still the same today given inflation?
So, would you consider doing this with your 182? I'm looking for a 182, a Mooney or Maule (i know, different missions) but I would really like a look at your approximate figures. Great video, very informative,as was the 6 questions video. Both very helpful.
Thanks David, glad you found it helpful. 182 will be more expensive than this calc. I'll probably put together a separate video on this, but for now, I'd use the calcs in this video and adjust accordingly for the model (payment, fuel burn, etc.).
Very cool video. Consider this: you're paying $12k per year to own an airplane, and the first 100 flight hours are included for free. Not such a bad deal if you think about it.
Great stuff. My first airplane was a 1968 180 hp Piper Arrow. I paid for a tie down instead of a hangar and it saved some money. Had only one radio and that saved on the purchase price. It's been a lot of years ago, but I paid $10,500 for it and flew it everywhere. It was a blast! I had a friend who owned a Musketeer and he loved it. I did fly a 152 Aerobat in my training and it was a lot of fun. Maneuvers in it are a lot of fun. The bottom line is that flying is never cheap but it is a whole lot of fun and worth every penny. My wife lets me have an airplane but not a motorcycle. I can live with that! Only 3% of the population are pilots. What a special group. Fly On!
Agreed - flying isn't "cheap" but I was just trying to illustrate a few airplanes that can cost less than others, and the assumptions behind how that's possible. As long as you're living within your means and it's where you want to dedicate your time and resources, in my opinion aviation is worth every penny. It has been for me, anyways.
There is no way that 3% of the US population are pilots.
Great video. Good material. Accurate. But it looks like a partnership is the way to go for me. I’m trying to build hours and a little fun on the side