*Table of Contents:* Intro (0:00) 1. Chalk Up (0:40) 2. Aim Low and Carefully (1:28) 3. Warm-Up and Check (2:13) ---- 3a. Eye Pattern (2:36) 4. Keep Cue Level (3:36) 5. Go Back Slow (4:23) 6. Accelerate Smoothly (5:09) ---- 6a. Draw Distance Control (5:52) 7. Keep Your Grip Relaxed (6:48) 8. Be Still (8:52) 9. Don’t Drop Your Elbow (9:20) 10. Finish the Stroke (10:55) Useful Draw Practice Drills (12:16) ---- side pocket drill (12:19) ---- BU Exam I - F4 - Progressive Practice drill (12:55) ---- Three-times-the-angle "good action" draw drill (13:42) *NOTE* (concerning Samm's apparent crooked stroke at 3m7s): When I watched this shot in person, I was standing right behind the camera and I don't remember her stroke being that crooked. I think I would have noticed if it was, and I would have asked her to shoot again with a straighter stroke. I think it looks crooked in the video partly due to perspective issues with the camera angle and pendulum swing. I have seen this effect is other videos also. Samm's aim might have been slightly off and she might have hit the CB slightly off center, but her stroke was not as crooked as it might have appeared in the video. Again camera perspective can create optical illusions since the vertical angle of the cue (up and down) is changing during the pendulum stroke. Here is a follow-up video that clearly illustrates this effect: ruclips.net/video/Hpbldj9Nkk0/видео.html *Supporting Resources:* - draw FAQ resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/ - how to chalk: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/chalk/how-to/ - chalk type: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/chalk/comparison/ - miscue limit: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/maximum/ - eye pattern: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/eyes/pattern/ - cue elevation effects: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/elevation/ - open bridge: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/open/ - bridge length: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/length/ - pre-shot routine “best practices:" billiards.colostate.edu/faq/pre-shot-routine/best-practices/ - stroke fundamentals and “best practices” advice: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/technique/ - pendulum stroke: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/pendulum-piston/ - follow through: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/follow-through/ - elbow drop: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/elbow-drop/ - BU Playing Ability Exams: billiarduniversity.org/testing/exams/ - 3-times-the-angle system “good action” draw: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/trisect/
@@CS-bh4ur Thank you. I'm glad to hear it. FYI, I have a lot more useful advice here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/ Check it out.
Poštovani DR DIVE veliko vam hvala na odgovoru nisam znao da ste izdali knjigu o pool biliaru jedino sam na mome jeziku procitao standardna knjiga bilijar 180 ilustracija i riznica bilijar trik udaraca 240 ilustracija. ROBERT BYRNE kao i CD film od skoro više od 2 sata. Mozda je u pitanju coja koju ja na kraju nisam znao i u tri sam onu koju sam cuo a nisam znao da BACK SPIN ima veze sa time HVALA.
@@waqasaslam9254 I’m not sure I understand your question, but I have a lot more help in the videos and articles here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Pitao sam vas gospodine DIVe da li imate nešto o taktici u bilijaru kao u CHESS-u. Na zadnjem komentarima i nema na čemu da mi se zahvaljujem taj video kao i ona 3. Videa sa gospodinom odgledao sam bezbroj puta ja sam srednje visine a rukom kojom udaram je leva i ocrtava na kraj drške štapa a ruka mi dalja oslonac zbog ubrzavanja kada je blizu dobijem STOP. TAJMING je najteži u BACK Spinu a ja nisam znao koja je najbolja čoja sada je BOSOVA a u skoro svim partijama treba OB-spin a ne CB-spin.
I recently started playing APA and it had been 14 years since I last played league and that was back in South Africa. I started watching your videos and got reminders of the right things to do and also learnt new things. I'm already playing better than I ever did in my opinion because of the extra things I've learnt here on this Channel. Thanks Dr Dave 🤝
This is by far the best Draw Shot video I have ever seen. Been shooting pool 45 yrs and never developed a good draw shot. Going downstairs and practice what you are teaching! Thank you for an Awesome Video!!!!
4:22 the tips about timing are the best pieces of advice I've ever gotten. When I started practicing to have better timing I would hum a little descending cadence, and now that it's second nature I hear it in my head on every shot.
One thing I find amazing about these videos is that watching them helps parts of my game that have nothing to do with the video's subject matter. E.g. with this one, after watching a few times, honestly, my draw shot hasn't improved much yet (I'm a beginner)... but the section @2:30 where Dr. Dave talks about Samm's pre-shot routine and eye/focus switching pattern made something click for me, and cuz of that I've been pocketing balls SOOOOO much better over the past few days. Specifically, it was the sentence about "making sure the cue remains straight" during the practice strokes. Before, I feel like I was just doing the practice strokes because that's what I saw the pros do on TV, lol. I mean.... it felt natural to do them, but i realize now that I didn't really get the point... I wasn't doing the practice strokes with intention and purpose... I was stroking crooked and looking at the object ball as I did. Lately, when I do practice strokes, I make sure to only focus on the cue ball and make sure that the cue stick is stroking straight. Then, I park the cue tip as close to the contact point as possible, pause, look up at the object ball, and try and relax and trust that my arm is going to do the same thing as what it was during the practice strokes, and remind myself to be a relaxed statue, and stroke and boom! Still suck at getting shapes but, hey, at least im pocketing some balls now!! :)))) thank you for the amazing content you provide us, doc
I’m glad you are finding my videos helpful. When you are ready to improve your CB control, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/cue-ball-control/
I think one of the biggest takeaways for me on this was #3: Warm Up and Check, and showing a great example of eye movement in setting up shots. I can't tell you the number of times I've addressed the table and found myself focusing all over the place. Samm's head is also perfectly still and eyes parallel to the table, which tends to be one of my struggles. Excellent video as always, Dr. Dave & Samm!
Really enjoyed and learned a few important things I've been doing wrong. As a player who played for 25 years then 20 years of and now months playing again, I've been gripping too tightly and scooping the cue ball off the table far too much. I can still draw the full length of the table (not every time though) but back when I was playing my draw shot was extremely good. I see now where I am going wrong. Thanks Dr Dave !
Great video Dr. Dave, I have practiced these techniques for a long time, but you present them in a great teaching style, and reminded me of a few items to continually practice on. I added this to training assignments for my APA team :)
Thank you, and you're welcome. I think this is probably one of the most useful videos I have ever done since so many people have trouble mastering the draw shot.
Poštovana gospođo Sendi za vas s program ocena 100 poena i mogu da vam kažem da sam uspeo da ubacim kuglu u srednju izmedju 7 i 8 a belu da pošaljem u desnu ugaonu rupu ali neznam kada bih vam davao ocjene za vježbe sa koliko bih bili oženjeni jer je svaka teška Za sebe želim vam još veću gledanost i puno sreće.
Thank you for all the expert tips. I really mean that. I noticed the different color wood in the middle of your cue. However, I am about 6'2" and I never knew about the balance rite cue extender. I've used rear extenders but the mid extender is so much better for me because it moves the grip wrap back. I apologize for what seems like a commercial. You are teaching more than you know. Please keep the videos coming.
Vas program draw shot top deset je nešto najbolje što sam ikada gledao nisam gledao svih deset nego samo dva mogu da pohvalom program sa je dobro uradjen i profesionalno pokazan želim vam mnooogo uspjeha u vašem videu izelim vam da imate i iz drugih oblasti bilijara mislim na skok udarce mase itd I da igra i koji imaju problema sa nekim udarcem mogu da vidim ja vas skoro stalno gledam i želim vam još mnogo snimaka i uspeha
Fantastic! I remember when I first learned to draw the cue ball and my emotion was similar to yours. Played with an old timer when I was young. He was on my pool team. He LOVED the game of pool and played every day for years and years. He never learned to draw the cue ball. One day he said something sort of off color to me about my game, (I was 3 times better than him) and I spouted off, "the only time you ever drew a cue ball in your life is when you accidentally miscued" heh it was true but I never saw him again. He found another city to play in.
Excellent video - you do a great job of explaining the proper techniques and, most importantly, what makes them advantageous. That helps me understand instead of just memorize. One hidden gem in there was at 14:18, where you explain how too much speed actually produces a longer/wider draw. This was very counterintuitive for me - when I wanted more draw, I always hit the cue ball harder, but never understood why it wasn't working (I'm a complete amateur). It never occurred to me that the extra speed was delaying the "bite" of the cue ball's backspin on the table. I'm watching your entire "Top 10" series in an attempt to keep up with my kids, who are starting to beat me with alarming frequency now. Thanks for your help! :-)
Poštovani vaš program je osvojio 100;5 bodova najbolji ste neke sam vježbe skinuo kada su 7 i 8 na sredini ali je jako težak. Prvo sam skidao tri sata a u subotu iz prvog bez da mi se pomete kugle na sredini rupe na dva kraja malo uvučeno . Ostao mi još bek spin koji je moram priznati jako težak ali kada bih podredio nebih znao koje od sve vježbe su teže srecno i još novih snimaka.
Thank you for the video. I have recently been struggling with the draw shot and just got it work, so I would have needed it actually a couple of months ago !
Dobar dan evo još jedan glas za draw shot top deset i da vas pohvalom da ste najbolji i dosta mi pomogli posto sam posle dosta vremena uspeo da skinem udarac i želim vam puno uspjeha i novih snimaka pozdrav gledam vas skoro svaki dan ponekoliko puta i TD sve najbolje i pozdrav vas program je najbolji za igrače koji se bave bilijarom mnogooo vam hvala na pomoći i detaljno objašnjeno klipovima i snimcima pozdrav
I'm glad the video helped. FYI, if you want more draw shot technique advice, see the videos and other information here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Postovani gospodine Dejv Zelim vam sve najbolje i samo tako nastavite ocenaa🏆. P.S. uz to dodao bih par reci uz vasu skoku biliars: Ja sam tacrsio sa cd_a skoku biliars radio po 9 sati i za godinu dana nazcio i tacrsio sve od gospodina Roberta Byrnes i procitao 2 knjige od njega. Uz to bih dodao u Beogradu sam u Vruće Ballu tacrsio sport WPA koji se sastojao od vezni koje su imale i jednu od vasih pravica udarca za Back spin. Jedino nisam imao vezbu sa 2 kugle na sredini srednje rupe 7 i 8 . Ubace ova prva je bila top spin udarac za pravicu kao i 1 udarac koji vi i gospoda Sendy pokazujete. Kada sam to tacrsio dosta sam znao sa cd_a sa kojeg sam skidao vise od 2 sata. Ovo sto sam napisao nistanije protiv vaseg programa gospodine Dejv nego porexjenje sa mog WPA i cd_a kako je sve isto a male razlike kao naprimjer vezba sa 2 kugle na sredini stola. Veliki pozdrav gospodine Dejv i Zelim vam jos vise srece za vas jedan ogroman🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. P.S Nadam se da se neljutite na ovom poredjenju koje sam poslao jer stvarno nema veze sa vama smisao je bio u poredjenju vase 1 vezne i moje iz Sport WPA kako su iste.
I wish I had seen this video during my time hanging around the pool rooms. I can draw the ball pretty good and developed a decent stroke but the long draw was my achilles heel. Also I learned that pretty much the less english you use the easier to control and try to keep the cue ball in the middle of the table.
Dr. Dave thank you so much I am an intermediate player and I’m trying to get to that next level and I can be everybody at my local bar but I know I can be doing better in my drawls have not been as great as they could’ve been thank you so much
That's usually caused my tensing up during the stroke (especially the grip hand). For more advice on how to diagnose and fix your issue, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
As long as the tip holds chalk, the cue really doesn’t matter much, per the info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/selecting/ For more help with draw shots, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
@@ron2117 I have a lot more videos and info dealing with draw under the links here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/ And many more videos on all topics can be found on my channel here: ruclips.net/user/DrDaveBilliards
@@harshchhangani Thank you for the suggestion. I wouldn't want music while I am talking, but I think it is a good idea during long periods of time that would otherwise be quiet.
Can you imagine what you would see if you videoed Bustamante's stroke? Actually, many of the players from the Philippines have rather strange looking ( to us ) strokes, yet are very good to great players. I love to watch Efren, as his stroke may not be what one would call perfect, it gives him excellent results and is so pleasing to watch. His cue ball control is really something to behold! I'll bet he has played more games of pool that anyone else in the world and that is one of the reasons he is so good, the other is his ability to think and see what strategy he needs. There is a reason he is a great chess player. By the way, watching him has improved my game quite a bit and it is mostly in the cue ball control area. I have been trying to "clean up" my stroke and I'm finding that I do better with my old way of stroking the ball. I am 73 and been playing recreational bar pool since I was a young lad. I am guessing the problem with trying to change my stroke mechanics is due to not enough practice time to "learn" a proper stroke and the fact that I have 50+ years of learning to pocket balls with a less than proper stroke. I practice draw often, but always seem to not get the draw I want all the time. I'll keep working, but it isn't as big a deal as it was 40 years ago. If my draw isn't working well on a given day, it makes me think more about my strategy. :-)
FYI, lots of useful draw shot advice and drills can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/ and if you want to improve your stroke in general, some of the info and advice here might help: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/technique/ Enjoy, and good luck with your game. We are never too old to work on improving.
Poštovani doktor Dive Zelim vam puno srece i još veći rejting i gledanost. Molio bih vas najljepše da mi pomognete prošle nedjelje sam vezbao back SPIN i uvek mi se usporeno braca bela u nazad. Ako možete moli vas vaš redovan pratilac da mi kazete tack koliko treba da bude pod nagibom. Ovo vas molim jer Gospodnja Sandy kada izvodi back SPIN uvek joj vratilo nagnuto malo napred. Molio bih vas da mi pomognete jer uveksderem kozu sa prstiju i napravim plikove. Veliko vam hvala na pomoci vaš vjerni pratilac i hvala. Vaš kanal je osvojio 👍👍🏆🏆. I ogromnu ocenu .
10:08 Appreciate that you mentioned this. I sometimes see players miscue when they first start practicing higher power deep screw shots since their hand swings up a bit because they are so rigid with their elbow height on the follow through.
I think most people would be more effective if they keep their shoulder and elbow still during the entire stroke, especially on draw shots; but as long as most (or all) of the elbow drops occurs after CB contact, it is not a problem.
@@DrDaveBilliardsDefinitely, it's only the most talented players who at some point may want to experiment with their bridge position to find that last bit of acceleration from having a longer bridge on power draw shots. Then you might need to drop your elbow before contact so your hand doesn't raise the back of your cue on the upswing of the pendulum before you make contact.
@@osirisgolad A longer bridge definitely helps with smooth acceleration and more cue speed (for any players). As long as you set up with the forearm perpendicular to the cue at CB address, the tip will hit the CB where expected with a fixed-elbow pendulum stroke.
Dr. Dave, how do you lower the bridge hand? All my pool playing life, I used to lower the thumb. I see you don't do that in chapter 4. Is this why I give slight right English when drawing? Doing the pencil trick shows me that if I lower the thumb, the pencil slides to the right slightly. Can't wait to try this tomorrow if what I am thinking is correct. Lower and spread out the palm instead of the thumb, right?
@@DrDaveBilliards that was the missing link! Whenever I thought I was dead straight when drawing the ball, I ended up giving slight bottom right. It was because, when drawing, I was lowering my thumb and not adjusting my aim. I will try tomorrow by flattening my knuckles instead of lowering my thumb.
I'm British, and the open bridge is the norm here. When working in the States for several months, and playing pool most evenings, I did try the closed bridge, because all my American opponents used it, but particularly when playing screw-back / draw shots, I did find the open bridge far more versatile when it came to lowering the bridge height. I went back to my open bridge, and I found I played just as well. I can't see what advantage a closed bridge gives you.
A closed bridge offers advantages for people with stroke flaws. It also helps keep the cue from bouncing off the bridge (and maybe fouling) with certain types of shots (e.g., power sidespin). It also just feels more secure for some people. However, I am a big fan of the open bridge for all of the reasons here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/open/
Very nice tips! Couple months ago I decided to start my practice sessions with my weaker hand for around 30 minutes to 1 hour. After that you change to you good hand and wow, you'll be surprised how well you are cueing with it! And practicing the weaker hand has many other advantages as well! Have you been practicing the BU Exam III? This week I tried it for a first time with the score of 29... Its tough I can tell you that!
DrDaveBilliards Afterwards was able to execute all of them except large curve masse.. haven’t been practicing them ether so maybe after a little practice can pull that of as well 👍🏻
Something for you to consider Dave... A slight tightening of the grip can help you're draw, if you can still deliver the tip of the cue accurately. When you tighten your grip, you're firmly connecting your back arm to the cue, increasing the cue's mass. This added mass increases the efficiency of the energy transfer and can apply more spin than a loose grip. It also widens the ratio of mass between the cue stick and cue ball, helping you to drive through the cue ball with less of a loss of momentum. I do this often when I'm close to the object ball and I want it to draw back quickly, among other times.
Tightening the grip might give you more draw but causing the tip to hit lower on the CB. It might also be necessary for a jab stroke, where you need to limit follow though and/or get out of the way quickly. However, the tip contact time is so small, and the flesh of the hand is so flexible compared to the tip (even with a “death grip”) that grip tightening has negligible effect on tip impact forces. For further explanation, see the info and links here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/grip/light-vs-tight/
@@DrDaveBilliards I've read the info at that link many times over the years Dave, and I've found all your work on that website informative and useful. Thanks for putting in the work and time for us. .. I would like to ask you to perform an experiment on the pool table that is relevant to what we are talking about here if you find the time... Set up a cut shot where you are cutting an object ball approximately 60 degrees into the corner pocket. set up the object ball 2 feet from the pocket and the cue ball around 4 feet from the object ball. A somewhat severe cut but quite makeable. Now cut the shot in with near-maximum outside english and a medium/hard speed. After you've pocketed the shot 5 consecutive times, mount a cue extension on the butt of your cue and take the shot again as you've done before. Was the result the same? And if not, why?
@@DrDaveBilliards From your link Dave... "A tighter grip (if it is really tight) can effectively add more mass to the cue. So if you can deliver the cue to the ball accurately and with power, a tight grip could result in faster cue ball speed. However, a tighter grip usually results in less cue speed (and less accuracy) for most people" This seems to support my previous post Dr.Dave. Almost word for word. The same added power gained by the added mass, and therefore greater efficiency, also creates a more efficient application of english, does it not? Can I offer an experiment on the pool table, related to this discussion, that may demonstrate? Place an object ball 2 feet from the corner pocket. Now place the cue ball 4 feet away from that object ball in a manner where you would need to cut the ball approximately 60 degrees to pot it. A rather severe but very makeable shot. Now cut the ball in with near-maximum outside english and a medium/hard speed. After you've pocketed the ball 5 times in a row, mount a cue extension on the butt of your cue and take the shot again. Was the result the same? And if not, why? The result might also challenge the notion that only the cue weight 8" to 10" from the tip affect deflection characteristics, which is very related to what's happening here as well. Please try this as I'd like to know your findings. Thanks Dr. Dave.
@@TheJurgisRud The quote on my page was misleading, especially if taken out of context. FYI, I just revised it to read: "Theoretically, a really tight grip could effectively add mass to the cue, but this effect is very small since a typical tip is so much stiffer than the flesh contacting the cue in the grip hand. But if you could deliver the cue to the ball accurately and with power, a really tight grip could theoretically result in slightly faster cue ball speed. However, a tighter grip usually results in less cue speed (and less accuracy) for most people. Also, see the section at the top of the page."
@@TheJurgisRud Concerning your cue-extension experiment, the added weight of the cue can certainly change the outcome of the shot. The added weight won't affect squirt, but it could result in more (or less) CB speed, depending on how your stroke changes with the added weight, and any change in CB speed will affect swerve and net CB deflection. For more info dealing with these topics, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/squirt/cause/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/squirt/speed-effects/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/weight/
Great videos! Does Samm's inside out stroke common or is it just something she kind of grown up doing? I'm curious because I had an outside in stroke when I first started playing. My stroke is a lot straighter now but that outside in stroke pops up every now and then on left spin shots. I try and point as many players of all skill levels to your channel as I can. Thank you guys for what you do for the sport we all love!
This is common with many people with power shots because the forward momentum of the cue tends to pull the right side of the body forward during the follow through. And with a pendulum stroke, sometimes the grip hand hitting the chest will throw the grip hand out a little, making the tip finish to the left. Again, luckily, all of this occurs after the CB is gone, so it has no effect (unless it happens early, for example due to wrist curl or elbow drop with a chicken-wing motion).
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you I see what you mean as the cue ball was gone by that time. Mine happens at impact when it rears its ugly head! Lol... Thanks again!
A lot of good advice in this video. That said, some criticism follows: 1. There's nothing wrong with elbow drop, as long as you deliver the cue in a straight line, and Ronnie O'Sullivan is the best proof of it. 2. It's not true that longer bridge gives you more precision (again, look at snooker pros). Yes, long bridge let's you accelerate smoothly which mitigates loss of precision due to jerky stroke. But with long bridge all errors of your grip hand are drastically magnified on the cue tip. Most players achieve greater precision with shorter bridge. But it's a trade-off and a matter of personal preference, so find out what works best for you. 3. Sam Diep technique: (a) cueing across the cue ball terribly, (b) bridge too long, beyond any reason, (c) if your custom bridge (tip of thumb pressed to index finger) works for you, then fine, keep doing it, but not in educational videos (surely you do know how to form proper bridge).
I often don't use my pinky while gripping during my pre shot routine. Sometimes i just use my wrist in a swing motion but now i see how that can cause problems
her stroke goes inside the line when she draws back, comes back center, then back to inside. she probably struggles with high speed shots and if her bridges length changes she probably struggles with accuracy
Here is the "NOTE (concerning Samm's apparent crooked stroke at 3:07)" from the video description: "When I watched this shot in person, I was standing right behind the camera and her stroke looked perfectly straight. I think it looks crooked in the video due to perspective issues with the camera angle and pendulum swing. I have seen this effect is other videos also."
I play with a snooker style stance in pool. My accuracy is excellent compared to a lot of pool players, but I'm lacking in pure cue ball action (topspin, backspin). Can you get good action on the cue ball when the cue is touching your chest and chin, or do I need to adapt a more pool-like queing technique?
There is nothing wrong with a snooker-style stance. You can create any pool shot (except a power break) with any stance. For more info, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stance/ Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you for the quick answer. I have watched the two videos you linked and they are excellend indeed. I personally get about spin about 1.5-2 x with an upright pool technique. But since that's not how I want to play, I guess I just need to work on my backspin with the snooker stance.
@@pique3124 For shots requiring more power, you should use a longer bridge and stroke length. That makes it easier to get more cue speed with smooth acceleration. For more help, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/length/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/speed/advice/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/power/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/follow/force/
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you once again for the additional resources. I talked to the owner of my local snooker/pool hall today. He's a snooker player and we went through my stroke with him. I had all the other pieces of technique in check, but there was a surprising detail I had missed. It seems the problem lied in my wrist of all places! When playing with a more upright pool stance, I automatically get a loose flick of the wrist, and therefore a much greater effect on the cue ball. Although I'm deadly accurate with my snooker style stance, I haven't got the loose wrist required for powerful screw shots. As soon as I started to focus on loosening up my wrist movement, my backspin became much more natural!
As always, great content. Just curious... Are(were) you by chance an engineer/in an extremely technical field of work? It seems that way based off of the way you narrate your videos and how in depth you explain certain aspects of the game.
Thanks. I have a PhD in mechanical engineering and was a university professor for 30 years. That mostly explains my teaching style. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/dr-dave
DR DiVE od 11 godine igram bilijar i sve znam cak i vašu 1 vezbu onu kada se bela braca preko stola a onu gde su sedmica i osmica još nisam skinuo ali zbog BACK SPINA sam uvek gubio pa i preko rogova. Meni uvek odskoci kada je udarima moli vas vaš pratilac ako moze jedan video na temu sa rogovima. Molim vas i veliko hvala DR DAVE.
Sorry, but I don't know what you mean by "with horns." Google Translate: DR DiVE, I have been playing billiards since I was 11 years old, and I know everything, even your 1st exercise, when the white brothers are over the table and the one where they are seven and eight, I haven't taken it off yet, but because of BACK SPIN I always lost, even over the horns. My companion always bounces when he beats you, your companion begs you if he can make a video on the subject with horns. Please and thank you very much DR DAVE.
Poštovani gospodine Dive želim vam puno srece imao bih jedno pitanje u vezi back spina kako se na bosovoj koji izvodi back SPIN ovo vas pitam jer mi se uvek vrati usporeno kao kada pokazuje vaša koleginica Sandy. Zelim vam sve najbolje molim vas za pomoć zato što sam milion puta povredio ruku a i niko neće da kaže kada ga pitam a i moja coja je bodova . Moli vas vaš vjerni pratilac za pomoć. Hvala.
Thanks for not using that drop in the puddle intro byte. Hey, Doc... Being also into the physics of the mechanical realm, I'd love it if yous guys would check out some of your draw techniques using an old Valley metallic cue ball. I have found that they alter game play perhaps due to overall weight or maybe how the mass of the ball is distributed within. Anyway, I find that I have a harder time achieving same like draw performance as with a regular phenolic ball. And even normal glance angles and rolls differ a bit. Am I crazy?
@@DrDaveBilliards So you have never heard any claim that the valley magnetic cue ball plays differently? You must not have done much bar table culture over the years. They definitely perform differently. Instead of the comment though it would be nice if you and or Samm actually checked the claim out.
I have played on Valley bar boxes for many years in VNEA leagues and tournaments with the magnetic CB. I even did some weighing and measuring of a large number of Valley CBs many years ago. See the bottom of this article: billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2012/feb12.pdf I have also studied ball weight/size difference effects in detail. See: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/ball/weight/ Anecdotally, I have not noticed any real performance differences with the Valley CBs, except when they are dirty or when the cloth is new or old and dirty. But these effects are the same with all balls, per the info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/table/cloth-effects/ and here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/ball/cleaning/ I have noticed Valley CBs being out of balance at times, where they don't roll straight when hit slowly on a level table, but that's about it.
@@DrDaveBilliards Again... I notice getting same like draw performance is an obvious never happens thing. It should be an easy check and dispute. I have a harder time achieving good draw shots with them. It can't just be me. Others have agreed with me. Don't see many APA game players using heavy draw either. But they use replacement cue balls in some of those matches. I noticed... others noticed... Maybe you only give some things a cursory glance and apply your "I know this is how it is" to it and never actually do any analysis. Like with the close stroke shots. You are used to seeing level stick videos of double tip strike fouls. Do you really think that there is no way for a human to do it right? My contention is that if a hop shot is legal and considered a single tip strike, then my elevated strokes can be examined and see that I only strike the ball once. But all of your replies have been blanket presumptions of failure and perhaps include you not even looking at the video(s). I spent inordinate amounts of time looking at yours, and mine are only a few seconds each, yet you nor any of your experts has looked or commented on them. It's not like I am trying to make money off them. It is about pool.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight There are several possible explanations for reduced draw: - CB heavier than the OBs - CB surface non-smooth or dirty - cloth not very slick
Dobar dan poštovani draw shot ja imam jedno pitanje u vezi draw shot udarca inače jako dugo igram bilijar itd pitanje je kada izvodim draw shot udarac na daljinu kako da spustio vratilo a da mi štap ostane ravan ovo pitam zato što mi se često dešava pri udarcu da vas pohvalom prvenstveno gospodjicu i gospodina koji pokazuju i molio bih vam da mi pomognete u tom smislu želim vam još puno emisija uvezu draw shot udarca jer je vjerujte mi najvažniju od svih udaraca i najpotrebniji zbog toga sam i pitao kako da spustio vratilo od štapa jer mi to najveći problem pravi hvala vam na odgovoru strpljenju i odvojenom vremenu ili možda da pustite neki klip na tu tubu sa spuštanjem vratila za draw shot u još jednom hvala i srecno u daljem radu
I’ve launched a cue ball across the bar after every time I’ve watched this video! Apparently I have stroke flaws because I thought I was hitting at R/2
It doesn't matter where you "think" you are hitting ... what matters is where and how you "actually" hit. :) If you want to stop doing that, the advice here might help: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Hey Dr. Dave what do you think about SVB's draw technique? In the transition from back to front stroke he slides the butt of the cue through his fingers (he almost opens his hand) and swings his wrist. Seems to help prevent and transition issues in a power draw but I love you opinions so I'm curious what you think!!
thats what i needed, thanks a lot !. i changed my stance yesterday. i couldnt cue the ball in a straight line because i added unwanted BHE during the stroke So i decided to put my front foot more to the side. Now my front foot is 1,5 diamonds away from the shotline and im able to hit the object ball straight that cue ball and object ball hits each other fully again after the object ball hit the cushion. the stance is very wide and can be slighly uncomfortable in the groin.Im 1.94m tall Any advice ?
Poštovani gospodine DIVe uspeo sam da vratim Back spin na BOSOVOJ čiji ali tek kada sam položio ruku još ne na većoj daljini ali mi se dešava neosetno da stegnem ruku umesto kao gospodja SANDY i vi što pokazuje te ali taj deo kada ona pokazuje je NAJVAŽNIJI KAO KAKO SE TACK Podiže u ruci veliko vam HVALA na razumevanju,strpljenju ,vremenu kao i odgovorima želim vam puno sreće i ako snimate neki perfectan klip voleo BiH da ga objavite sve najbolje vam želim . P S. Posebno se zahvaljujem gospodjom SANDY na PERFECTNO objašnjavanju kao i usporenome videu šta se dešava kada je taj u ruci igrača trebalo mi više od 4,5 godine da sa čoje vratim kuglu za sada ne na ogromnu udaljenost ali da ne steže m dok izvodim BACK takodjer se zahvaljujem i vama gospodine DIVE na PERFECTNOME objašnjavanju koje pokazuje te u igri igrača pri izvodje nju kao i držanju tacka. Ovaj Video je NAJBOLJI od SVIH koji ste do sada objavili i jedno veliko HVALA VAM na strpljenju i vremenu vaš ovaj video dobija😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 Što znači PERFECTNO. Pitao BiH vas za kraj : Da li možete da date neki video o taktici u poslu zato pitam jer su CESS i POOL slični sportovi i lakše je vratiti figuru neko kuglu sa TACKOM . Hvala VAM ovaj VIDeo je najbolji i zaštitni znak meni našega kanala.
*Table of Contents:*
Intro (0:00)
1. Chalk Up (0:40)
2. Aim Low and Carefully (1:28)
3. Warm-Up and Check (2:13)
---- 3a. Eye Pattern (2:36)
4. Keep Cue Level (3:36)
5. Go Back Slow (4:23)
6. Accelerate Smoothly (5:09)
---- 6a. Draw Distance Control (5:52)
7. Keep Your Grip Relaxed (6:48)
8. Be Still (8:52)
9. Don’t Drop Your Elbow (9:20)
10. Finish the Stroke (10:55)
Useful Draw Practice Drills (12:16)
---- side pocket drill (12:19)
---- BU Exam I - F4 - Progressive Practice drill (12:55)
---- Three-times-the-angle "good action" draw drill (13:42)
*NOTE* (concerning Samm's apparent crooked stroke at 3m7s):
When I watched this shot in person, I was standing right behind the camera and I don't remember her stroke being that crooked. I think I would have noticed if it was, and I would have asked her to shoot again with a straighter stroke. I think it looks crooked in the video partly due to perspective issues with the camera angle and pendulum swing. I have seen this effect is other videos also. Samm's aim might have been slightly off and she might have hit the CB slightly off center, but her stroke was not as crooked as it might have appeared in the video. Again camera perspective can create optical illusions since the vertical angle of the cue (up and down) is changing during the pendulum stroke. Here is a follow-up video that clearly illustrates this effect:
ruclips.net/video/Hpbldj9Nkk0/видео.html
*Supporting Resources:*
- draw FAQ resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/
- how to chalk: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/chalk/how-to/
- chalk type: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/chalk/comparison/
- miscue limit: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/maximum/
- eye pattern: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/eyes/pattern/
- cue elevation effects: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/elevation/
- open bridge: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/open/
- bridge length: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/length/
- pre-shot routine “best practices:" billiards.colostate.edu/faq/pre-shot-routine/best-practices/
- stroke fundamentals and “best practices” advice: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/technique/
- pendulum stroke: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/pendulum-piston/
- follow through: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/follow-through/
- elbow drop: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/elbow-drop/
- BU Playing Ability Exams: billiarduniversity.org/testing/exams/
- 3-times-the-angle system “good action” draw: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/trisect/
Dr. Dave this is such a good video that I re-watch it every time I intend to go practice my draw shots
@@CS-bh4ur Thank you. I'm glad to hear it. FYI, I have a lot more useful advice here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Check it out.
How about a free Cue sir from you :)
@@snatchisland310 I don't have extra cues; and even if I did, "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That." :)
Poštovani DR DIVE veliko vam hvala na odgovoru nisam znao da ste izdali knjigu o pool biliaru jedino sam na mome jeziku procitao standardna knjiga bilijar 180 ilustracija i riznica bilijar trik udaraca 240 ilustracija. ROBERT BYRNE kao i CD film od skoro više od 2 sata. Mozda je u pitanju coja koju ja na kraju nisam znao i u tri sam onu koju sam cuo a nisam znao da BACK SPIN ima veze sa time HVALA.
The pool world is very lucky to have you Dr. Thank you for all the resources and inspiration you provide!
Lucas Robertson agreed!
Thank you for your kind and supportive words. I appreciate it, and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Hello sir I learn angle of shoot how I learn sample method
@@waqasaslam9254 I’m not sure I understand your question, but I have a lot more help in the videos and articles here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Pitao sam vas gospodine DIVe da li imate nešto o taktici u bilijaru kao u CHESS-u. Na zadnjem komentarima i nema na čemu da mi se zahvaljujem taj video kao i ona 3. Videa sa gospodinom odgledao sam bezbroj puta ja sam srednje visine a rukom kojom udaram je leva i ocrtava na kraj drške štapa a ruka mi dalja oslonac zbog ubrzavanja kada je blizu dobijem STOP. TAJMING je najteži u BACK Spinu a ja nisam znao koja je najbolja čoja sada je BOSOVA a u skoro svim partijama treba OB-spin a ne CB-spin.
I recently started playing APA and it had been 14 years since I last played league and that was back in South Africa. I started watching your videos and got reminders of the right things to do and also learnt new things. I'm already playing better than I ever did in my opinion because of the extra things I've learnt here on this Channel. Thanks Dr Dave 🤝
I’m glad to hear it. You’re welcome!
Awesome tips! I love the "deliberate pause" idea. BTW your video with Rollie was hilarious!
Thanks!
This is by far the best Draw Shot video I have ever seen. Been shooting pool 45 yrs and never developed a good draw shot. Going downstairs and practice what you are teaching! Thank you for an Awesome Video!!!!
You’re welcome ... and thank you!
i love the fact that u're not only teaching but also motivating by saying some wise words which makes me excited to learn more and more
I’m glad you like my stuff, especially if it motivates you to improve.
soooo many people do not know how to properly chalk! this video has great tips, and that is definitely one of them! 😂
I'm glad you like it, even the chalking advice.
4:22 the tips about timing are the best pieces of advice I've ever gotten. When I started practicing to have better timing I would hum a little descending cadence, and now that it's second nature I hear it in my head on every shot.
One thing I find amazing about these videos is that watching them helps parts of my game that have nothing to do with the video's subject matter. E.g. with this one, after watching a few times, honestly, my draw shot hasn't improved much yet (I'm a beginner)... but the section @2:30 where Dr. Dave talks about Samm's pre-shot routine and eye/focus switching pattern made something click for me, and cuz of that I've been pocketing balls SOOOOO much better over the past few days.
Specifically, it was the sentence about "making sure the cue remains straight" during the practice strokes. Before, I feel like I was just doing the practice strokes because that's what I saw the pros do on TV, lol. I mean.... it felt natural to do them, but i realize now that I didn't really get the point... I wasn't doing the practice strokes with intention and purpose... I was stroking crooked and looking at the object ball as I did.
Lately, when I do practice strokes, I make sure to only focus on the cue ball and make sure that the cue stick is stroking straight. Then, I park the cue tip as close to the contact point as possible, pause, look up at the object ball, and try and relax and trust that my arm is going to do the same thing as what it was during the practice strokes, and remind myself to be a relaxed statue, and stroke and boom!
Still suck at getting shapes but, hey, at least im pocketing some balls now!! :)))) thank you for the amazing content you provide us, doc
I’m glad you are finding my videos helpful. When you are ready to improve your CB control, see the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/cue-ball-control/
I think one of the biggest takeaways for me on this was #3: Warm Up and Check, and showing a great example of eye movement in setting up shots. I can't tell you the number of times I've addressed the table and found myself focusing all over the place. Samm's head is also perfectly still and eyes parallel to the table, which tends to be one of my struggles. Excellent video as always, Dr. Dave & Samm!
Thanks for the comments. I'm glad you liked it and found it helpful.
Hopefully someday I can take an in-person session/exam with you. That would be really excellent.
@@Averyravynwood When you are ready, all of the info you need is here:
drdavebilliards.com/instruction/pool-school/
Really enjoyed and learned a few important things I've been doing wrong. As a player who played for 25 years then 20 years of and now months playing again, I've been gripping too tightly and scooping the cue ball off the table far too much. I can still draw the full length of the table (not every time though) but back when I was playing my draw shot was extremely good. I see now where I am going wrong. Thanks Dr Dave !
Thanks DrDave i learnwd all the basic in pool in your Channel. Keep on sharing ☺
You're welcome. I'm glad to hear it. I plan to.
THANK YOU A LOT the best explanation, especially with the grip of a hand it helps a lot for understanding.
I'm glad you found it helpful. That's what it is for.
Great video Dr. Dave, I have practiced these techniques for a long time, but you present them in a great teaching style, and reminded me of a few items to continually practice on. I added this to training assignments for my APA team :)
Wow Dave & Sam. This video is gold! Great job with the breakdown. Thank you
Thank you, and you're welcome. I think this is probably one of the most useful videos I have ever done since so many people have trouble mastering the draw shot.
the "pause before shot" technique is a helpful tip. thank you
Excellent, glad you are continuing to teach. You deliver a wealth of valuable information.
Thank you, and you're welcome. I'm glad you like my stuff.
Poštovana gospođo Sendi za vas s program ocena 100 poena i mogu da vam kažem da sam uspeo da ubacim kuglu u srednju izmedju 7 i 8 a belu da pošaljem u desnu ugaonu rupu ali neznam kada bih vam davao ocjene za vježbe sa koliko bih bili oženjeni jer je svaka teška Za sebe želim vam još veću gledanost i puno sreće.
Thanks for this excellent draw back video Dr Dave. I am sure this will help improve my screw back skills when playing Pool or Snooker 👏👍
I hope it does help. FYI, more videos and other useful advice can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
This is the most informative and thought out video I have ever seen. Thank you so much🙏🏼
Thank you, and you're welcome. FYI, I have a lot more where that came from here:
ruclips.net/user/DrDaveBilliardsvideos
Thank you for all the expert tips. I really mean that. I noticed the different color wood in the middle of your cue. However, I am about 6'2" and I never knew about the balance rite cue extender. I've used rear extenders but the mid extender is so much better for me because it moves the grip wrap back. I apologize for what seems like a commercial. You are teaching more than you know. Please keep the videos coming.
I’m glad you appreciate and benefit from my stuff. Thanks for the comments.
Vas program draw shot top deset je nešto najbolje što sam ikada gledao nisam gledao svih deset nego samo dva mogu da pohvalom program sa je dobro uradjen i profesionalno pokazan želim vam mnooogo uspjeha u vašem videu izelim vam da imate i iz drugih oblasti bilijara mislim na skok udarce mase itd I da igra i koji imaju problema sa nekim udarcem mogu da vidim ja vas skoro stalno gledam i želim vam još mnogo snimaka i uspeha
Thank you for watching. I am glad you like my videos.
Thank very much..you are 100% right. My technique needs to improve. Thank u
I FINALLY DID MY FIRST DRAW SHOT, YEEEEES
it was short distance and I scratched my finger with the table, but I'm proud of it
Fantastic! I remember when I first learned to draw the cue ball and my emotion was similar to yours. Played with an old timer when I was young. He was on my pool team. He LOVED the game of pool and played every day for years and years. He never learned to draw the cue ball. One day he said something sort of off color to me about my game, (I was 3 times better than him) and I spouted off, "the only time you ever drew a cue ball in your life is when you accidentally miscued" heh it was true but I never saw him again. He found another city to play in.
Use closed bridge try it's very stable
@@johnrexabello1733 for me its less stable
I still can't get it to draw. I'll draw 1 out of 20 balls.
@@johnnysanchez4996 record a video of yourself so you can see what you are doing wrong
This video was amazing, great work Dr. Dave!
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it.
It's really cute in the beginning when dr. dave mouth's samm's lines as she says them
I'm not sure that's what I was doing, but you might be right. We did rehearse the lines before talking to the camera, so I did know what was coming.
It is also possible I was just trying to dislodge a piece of food stuck in my teeth. :)
Hahaha dave is awesome..
Thats what I thought, they rehearsed so dave knew whats coming out of her mouth
The amount if useful info in these videos is mind boggling!!!! Now, to put it to good use! 😮😅
@@bicivelo I’m glad you like my stuff. I hope it helps.
Excellent video - you do a great job of explaining the proper techniques and, most importantly, what makes them advantageous. That helps me understand instead of just memorize. One hidden gem in there was at 14:18, where you explain how too much speed actually produces a longer/wider draw. This was very counterintuitive for me - when I wanted more draw, I always hit the cue ball harder, but never understood why it wasn't working (I'm a complete amateur). It never occurred to me that the extra speed was delaying the "bite" of the cue ball's backspin on the table. I'm watching your entire "Top 10" series in an attempt to keep up with my kids, who are starting to beat me with alarming frequency now. Thanks for your help! :-)
Thanks. I hope my videos help you hang with the kids. Good luck!
Great work guys. !
My game is improving
Pete. 60yrs
Poštovani vaš program je osvojio 100;5 bodova najbolji ste neke sam vježbe skinuo kada su 7 i 8 na sredini ali je jako težak. Prvo sam skidao tri sata a u subotu iz prvog bez da mi se pomete kugle na sredini rupe na dva kraja malo uvučeno . Ostao mi još bek spin koji je moram priznati jako težak ali kada bih podredio nebih znao koje od sve vježbe su teže srecno i još novih snimaka.
Dr Dave I highly recommend.
I'm glad to hear it. Thanks.
Very helpful video. Can't wait to get on table and practice
I hope it helps. And if you want more help, check out the other videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Good luck!
Thank you for the video. I have recently been struggling with the draw shot and just got it work, so I would have needed it actually a couple of months ago !
Dobar dan evo još jedan glas za draw shot top deset i da vas pohvalom da ste najbolji i dosta mi pomogli posto sam posle dosta vremena uspeo da skinem udarac i želim vam puno uspjeha i novih snimaka pozdrav gledam vas skoro svaki dan ponekoliko puta i TD sve najbolje i pozdrav vas program je najbolji za igrače koji se bave bilijarom mnogooo vam hvala na pomoći i detaljno objašnjeno klipovima i snimcima pozdrav
I'm glad the video helped. FYI, if you want more draw shot technique advice, see the videos and other information here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Excellent Video Explained
Every aspect easy foremant
To Understand Thank You
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for the comment.
Excellent video. Snooker player in UK but these are all excellent tips. Very thorough, good work
Thank you. That means a lot to me coming from a snooker player.
Postovani gospodine Dejv Zelim vam sve najbolje i samo tako nastavite ocenaa🏆. P.S. uz to dodao bih par reci uz vasu skoku biliars: Ja sam tacrsio sa cd_a skoku biliars radio po 9 sati i za godinu dana nazcio i tacrsio sve od gospodina Roberta Byrnes i procitao 2 knjige od njega. Uz to bih dodao u Beogradu sam u Vruće Ballu tacrsio sport WPA koji se sastojao od vezni koje su imale i jednu od vasih pravica udarca za Back spin. Jedino nisam imao vezbu sa 2 kugle na sredini srednje rupe 7 i 8 . Ubace ova prva je bila top spin udarac za pravicu kao i 1 udarac koji vi i gospoda Sendy pokazujete. Kada sam to tacrsio dosta sam znao sa cd_a sa kojeg sam skidao vise od 2 sata. Ovo sto sam napisao nistanije protiv vaseg programa gospodine Dejv nego porexjenje sa mog WPA i cd_a kako je sve isto a male razlike kao naprimjer vezba sa 2 kugle na sredini stola. Veliki pozdrav gospodine Dejv i Zelim vam jos vise srece za vas jedan ogroman🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. P.S Nadam se da se neljutite na ovom poredjenju koje sam poslao jer stvarno nema veze sa vama smisao je bio u poredjenju vase 1 vezne i moje iz Sport WPA kako su iste.
I wish I had seen this video during my time hanging around the pool rooms. I can draw the ball pretty good and developed a decent stroke but the long draw was my achilles heel. Also I learned that pretty much the less english you use the easier to control and try to keep the cue ball in the middle of the table.
Excellent information and practice drills!
Thanks. I hope it helps your game.
Your videos are excellent as are your explanations. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
Dr. Dave thank you so much I am an intermediate player and I’m trying to get to that next level and I can be everybody at my local bar but I know I can be doing better in my drawls have not been as great as they could’ve been thank you so much
You're welcome. Good luck with your game!
Nice video no non sense and ridiculous ideas. Thank you for your effort.
Thank you ... and you’re welcome. We aim to swerve. :)
I'm working hard on this, I found using my gopro to video the strikes in slow motion really helped me.
Video analysis is a powerful tool.
Thanks again DrDave! I always jump the ball when i try to draw
That's usually caused my tensing up during the stroke (especially the grip hand). For more advice on how to diagnose and fix your issue, see the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
love u dr dave ! helps a LOT ..
You KNOW your stuff man! 👍🎱🇳🇿
Thanks. FYI, I have a lot more info and advice on how to achieve good draw here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
This video deserved more views. I dont know which type of cue good for draw shot, any recommendations? Probably under 150
As long as the tip holds chalk, the cue really doesn’t matter much, per the info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/selecting/
For more help with draw shots, see the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Enjoyed that video. Are there anymore? Thanks.
@@ron2117 I have a lot more videos and info dealing with draw under the links here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/
And many more videos on all topics can be found on my channel here:
ruclips.net/user/DrDaveBilliards
Ovaj program d deset secret mi se jako dob i hvala vam što ga ima
Incredibly informative 🙆, super didactics 🍻
Thanks. Didactic is good if you really want to learn something right.
Really helpful video! Thank you for this doctor!
Thank you ... and you’re welcome. I aim to swerve :)
@@DrDaveBilliards Also, I would like to suggest that adding some background music in your videos will be really good, give it a shot!:D
@@harshchhangani Thank you for the suggestion. I wouldn't want music while I am talking, but I think it is a good idea during long periods of time that would otherwise be quiet.
Great Tips. Thank you!
I'm glad you liked it. You're welcome.
Thank you for doing these videos they have reinspired me. Since I stoped after being declared legally blind.
Over the years, I've seen a couple of really good guided blind players. I hope you can be one of them too.
Can you imagine what you would see if you videoed Bustamante's stroke? Actually, many of the players from the Philippines have rather strange looking ( to us ) strokes, yet are very good to great players. I love to watch Efren, as his stroke may not be what one would call perfect, it gives him excellent results and is so pleasing to watch. His cue ball control is really something to behold! I'll bet he has played more games of pool that anyone else in the world and that is one of the reasons he is so good, the other is his ability to think and see what strategy he needs. There is a reason he is a great chess player. By the way, watching him has improved my game quite a bit and it is mostly in the cue ball control area.
I have been trying to "clean up" my stroke and I'm finding that I do better with my old way of stroking the ball. I am 73 and been playing recreational bar pool since I was a young lad. I am guessing the problem with trying to change my stroke mechanics is due to not enough practice time to "learn" a proper stroke and the fact that I have 50+ years of learning to pocket balls with a less than proper stroke. I practice draw often, but always seem to not get the draw I want all the time. I'll keep working, but it isn't as big a deal as it was 40 years ago. If my draw isn't working well on a given day, it makes me think more about my strategy. :-)
FYI, lots of useful draw shot advice and drills can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
and if you want to improve your stroke in general, some of the info and advice here might help:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/technique/
Enjoy, and good luck with your game. We are never too old to work on improving.
Fantastic video
Thanks. I hope it helps.
Excellent video
Thanks!
thanks for the grip information, that helps me a lot.
BILL QUIGGLE I’m glad to hear it. Are you the Crested Butte Bill Quiggle? If so, howdy!
@@DrDaveBilliards It's me! I am enjoying your videos, keep them coming...
@@billquiggle4187 Awesome. I plan to keep the videos coming. I have a bunch planned. They just take time to put together.
Poštovani doktor Dive Zelim vam puno srece i još veći rejting i gledanost. Molio bih vas najljepše da mi pomognete prošle nedjelje sam vezbao back SPIN i uvek mi se usporeno braca bela u nazad. Ako možete moli vas vaš redovan pratilac da mi kazete tack koliko treba da bude pod nagibom. Ovo vas molim jer Gospodnja Sandy kada izvodi back SPIN uvek joj vratilo nagnuto malo napred. Molio bih vas da mi pomognete jer uveksderem kozu sa prstiju i napravim plikove. Veliko vam hvala na pomoci vaš vjerni pratilac i hvala. Vaš kanal je osvojio 👍👍🏆🏆. I ogromnu ocenu .
It is best to have and keep the grip relaxed, but make sure there is no "slop" in your grip. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/grip/technique/
very helpful, thank you
Thank you, and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Thanks very much; it's very helpful!
10:08 Appreciate that you mentioned this. I sometimes see players miscue when they first start practicing higher power deep screw shots since their hand swings up a bit because they are so rigid with their elbow height on the follow through.
I think most people would be more effective if they keep their shoulder and elbow still during the entire stroke, especially on draw shots; but as long as most (or all) of the elbow drops occurs after CB contact, it is not a problem.
@@DrDaveBilliardsDefinitely, it's only the most talented players who at some point may want to experiment with their bridge position to find that last bit of acceleration from having a longer bridge on power draw shots. Then you might need to drop your elbow before contact so your hand doesn't raise the back of your cue on the upswing of the pendulum before you make contact.
@@osirisgolad A longer bridge definitely helps with smooth acceleration and more cue speed (for any players). As long as you set up with the forearm perpendicular to the cue at CB address, the tip will hit the CB where expected with a fixed-elbow pendulum stroke.
Did any body notice that on number 10 during the slow mo the cue ball jumps? Looks pretty cool in slow motion. Thanks Dr Dave
The CB jumps on most pool shots with power since the back of the cue is always elevated some to clear over the rails.
Great stuff guys!!!
Thanks!
thanks for the great tips dr dave :)
You're welcome. I'm glad you liked it.
Excellent😊.
Thanks.
Excellent video. Helped me a lot. What kind of tip works best? Do you have a tip selection video?
The player is much more important than the tip. I prefer a harder tip per the info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-tip/hardness/
Thanks Doc!
I am learning so much!! So exciting! =)
Great video, how about a "What's in the bag" with Sam and Dr. Dave, old school.
I'll add it to my list.
Dr. Dave, how do you lower the bridge hand? All my pool playing life, I used to lower the thumb. I see you don't do that in chapter 4. Is this why I give slight right English when drawing? Doing the pencil trick shows me that if I lower the thumb, the pencil slides to the right slightly. Can't wait to try this tomorrow if what I am thinking is correct. Lower and spread out the palm instead of the thumb, right?
Yes. Lower the knuckles by flattening the hand. Lower the thumb can help also, but you need to adjust your aim if you do this.
@@DrDaveBilliards that was the missing link! Whenever I thought I was dead straight when drawing the ball, I ended up giving slight bottom right. It was because, when drawing, I was lowering my thumb and not adjusting my aim. I will try tomorrow by flattening my knuckles instead of lowering my thumb.
@@IndianHeathen1982 I hope it helps.
@@DrDaveBilliards kinda did. It worked for the first few shots. Then I went back to lowering my thumb. I need to be consciously aware!
I'm British, and the open bridge is the norm here. When working in the States for several months, and playing pool most evenings, I did try the closed bridge, because all my American opponents used it, but particularly when playing screw-back / draw shots, I did find the open bridge far more versatile when it came to lowering the bridge height. I went back to my open bridge, and I found I played just as well. I can't see what advantage a closed bridge gives you.
A closed bridge offers advantages for people with stroke flaws. It also helps keep the cue from bouncing off the bridge (and maybe fouling) with certain types of shots (e.g., power sidespin). It also just feels more secure for some people. However, I am a big fan of the open bridge for all of the reasons here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/open/
Thank you.
You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
روعه... استمر يا بطل 👍
Very nice tips! Couple months ago I decided to start my practice sessions with my weaker hand for around 30 minutes to 1 hour. After that you change to you good hand and wow, you'll be surprised how well you are cueing with it! And practicing the weaker hand has many other advantages as well! Have you been practicing the BU Exam III? This week I tried it for a first time with the score of 29... Its tough I can tell you that!
I have not worked on BU Exam III, but I plan to in the near future. I think 29 is a decent score.
DrDaveBilliards Afterwards was able to execute all of them except large curve masse.. haven’t been practicing them ether so maybe after a little practice can pull that of as well 👍🏻
thank you, very much.
You're welcome very much.
Something for you to consider Dave... A slight tightening of the grip can help you're draw, if you can still deliver the tip of the cue accurately. When you tighten your grip, you're firmly connecting your back arm to the cue, increasing the cue's mass. This added mass increases the efficiency of the energy transfer and can apply more spin than a loose grip. It also widens the ratio of mass between the cue stick and cue ball, helping you to drive through the cue ball with less of a loss of momentum. I do this often when I'm close to the object ball and I want it to draw back quickly, among other times.
Tightening the grip might give you more draw but causing the tip to hit lower on the CB. It might also be necessary for a jab stroke, where you need to limit follow though and/or get out of the way quickly. However, the tip contact time is so small, and the flesh of the hand is so flexible compared to the tip (even with a “death grip”) that grip tightening has negligible effect on tip impact forces. For further explanation, see the info and links here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/grip/light-vs-tight/
@@DrDaveBilliards I've read the info at that link many times over the years Dave, and I've found all your work on that website informative and useful. Thanks for putting in the work and time for us. .. I would like to ask you to perform an experiment on the pool table that is relevant to what we are talking about here if you find the time... Set up a cut shot where you are cutting an object ball approximately 60 degrees into the corner pocket. set up the object ball 2 feet from the pocket and the cue ball around 4 feet from the object ball. A somewhat severe cut but quite makeable. Now cut the shot in with near-maximum outside english and a medium/hard speed. After you've pocketed the shot 5 consecutive times, mount a cue extension on the butt of your cue and take the shot again as you've done before. Was the result the same? And if not, why?
@@DrDaveBilliards From your link Dave... "A tighter grip (if it is really tight) can effectively add more mass to the cue. So if you can deliver the cue to the ball accurately and with power, a tight grip could result in faster cue ball speed. However, a tighter grip usually results in less cue speed (and less accuracy) for most people"
This seems to support my previous post Dr.Dave. Almost word for word. The same added power gained by the added mass, and therefore greater efficiency, also creates a more efficient application of english, does it not?
Can I offer an experiment on the pool table, related to this discussion, that may demonstrate?
Place an object ball 2 feet from the corner pocket. Now place the cue ball 4 feet away from that object ball in a manner where you would need to cut the ball approximately 60 degrees to pot it. A rather severe but very makeable shot. Now cut the ball in with near-maximum outside english and a medium/hard speed. After you've pocketed the ball 5 times in a row, mount a cue extension on the butt of your cue and take the shot again. Was the result the same? And if not, why?
The result might also challenge the notion that only the cue weight 8" to 10" from the tip affect deflection characteristics, which is very related to what's happening here as well. Please try this as I'd like to know your findings. Thanks Dr. Dave.
@@TheJurgisRud The quote on my page was misleading, especially if taken out of context. FYI, I just revised it to read:
"Theoretically, a really tight grip could effectively add mass to the cue, but this effect is very small since a typical tip is so much stiffer than the flesh contacting the cue in the grip hand. But if you could deliver the cue to the ball accurately and with power, a really tight grip could theoretically result in slightly faster cue ball speed. However, a tighter grip usually results in less cue speed (and less accuracy) for most people. Also, see the section at the top of the page."
@@TheJurgisRud Concerning your cue-extension experiment, the added weight of the cue can certainly change the outcome of the shot. The added weight won't affect squirt, but it could result in more (or less) CB speed, depending on how your stroke changes with the added weight, and any change in CB speed will affect swerve and net CB deflection. For more info dealing with these topics, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/squirt/cause/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/squirt/speed-effects/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/weight/
Perfect video, thx alot
Thank you, and you're welcome.
Very good video, thank you Dr. Regarding keeping the grip relax, how could I resist the urge to tighten up my grip before hitting the cue ball?
With practice. And constantly being aware of staying relaxed.
DrDaveBilliards got it. thanks a lot
Great videos! Does Samm's inside out stroke common or is it just something she kind of grown up doing? I'm curious because I had an outside in stroke when I first started playing. My stroke is a lot straighter now but that outside in stroke pops up every now and then on left spin shots. I try and point as many players of all skill levels to your channel as I can. Thank you guys for what you do for the sport we all love!
This is common with many people with power shots because the forward momentum of the cue tends to pull the right side of the body forward during the follow through. And with a pendulum stroke, sometimes the grip hand hitting the chest will throw the grip hand out a little, making the tip finish to the left. Again, luckily, all of this occurs after the CB is gone, so it has no effect (unless it happens early, for example due to wrist curl or elbow drop with a chicken-wing motion).
Also, see the "NOTE" in the video description or above or in the pinned comment.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you I see what you mean as the cue ball was gone by that time. Mine happens at impact when it rears its ugly head! Lol... Thanks again!
A lot of good advice in this video. That said, some criticism follows:
1. There's nothing wrong with elbow drop, as long as you deliver the cue in a straight line, and Ronnie O'Sullivan is the best proof of it.
2. It's not true that longer bridge gives you more precision (again, look at snooker pros). Yes, long bridge let's you accelerate smoothly which mitigates loss of precision due to jerky stroke. But with long bridge all errors of your grip hand are drastically magnified on the cue tip. Most players achieve greater precision with shorter bridge. But it's a trade-off and a matter of personal preference, so find out what works best for you.
3. Sam Diep technique: (a) cueing across the cue ball terribly, (b) bridge too long, beyond any reason, (c) if your custom bridge (tip of thumb pressed to index finger) works for you, then fine, keep doing it, but not in educational videos (surely you do know how to form proper bridge).
Good points. Concerning 3a, see the NOTE in the video description.
I love you guys :)
I often don't use my pinky while gripping during my pre shot routine.
Sometimes i just use my wrist in a swing motion but now i see how that can cause problems
If these things work consistently, there is nothing wrong with them.
@@DrDaveBilliards random fact
The pinky is responsible for 50% of hand grip strength
I only use my wrist only when i need a short stroke
BTW THANKS
excellent tips
Thanks.
her stroke goes inside the line when she draws back, comes back center, then back to inside. she probably struggles with high speed shots and if her bridges length changes she probably struggles with accuracy
Here is the "NOTE (concerning Samm's apparent crooked stroke at 3:07)" from the video description:
"When I watched this shot in person, I was standing right behind the camera and her stroke looked perfectly straight. I think it looks crooked in the video due to perspective issues with the camera angle and pendulum swing. I have seen this effect is other videos also."
Does a soft or hard tip spin more? Does a nickel or dime radius spin more?
No. No. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-tip/hardness/
and:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-tip/size-and-shape/
I am learning so much however much it's kinda late....wanna make it pro someday soon
I play with a snooker style stance in pool. My accuracy is excellent compared to a lot of pool players, but I'm lacking in pure cue ball action (topspin, backspin). Can you get good action on the cue ball when the cue is touching your chest and chin, or do I need to adapt a more pool-like queing technique?
There is nothing wrong with a snooker-style stance. You can create any pool shot (except a power break) with any stance. For more info, see the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stance/
Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you for the quick answer. I have watched the two videos you linked and they are excellend indeed.
I personally get about spin about 1.5-2 x with an upright pool technique. But since that's not how I want to play, I guess I just need to work on my backspin with the snooker stance.
@@pique3124 For shots requiring more power, you should use a longer bridge and stroke length. That makes it easier to get more cue speed with smooth acceleration. For more help, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bridge/length/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/speed/advice/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/power/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/follow/force/
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you once again for the additional resources. I talked to the owner of my local snooker/pool hall today. He's a snooker player and we went through my stroke with him. I had all the other pieces of technique in check, but there was a surprising detail I had missed.
It seems the problem lied in my wrist of all places! When playing with a more upright pool stance, I automatically get a loose flick of the wrist, and therefore a much greater effect on the cue ball. Although I'm deadly accurate with my snooker style stance, I haven't got the loose wrist required for powerful screw shots. As soon as I started to focus on loosening up my wrist movement, my backspin became much more natural!
@@pique3124 Keeping the wrist and grip relaxed is definitely critical, especially with power shots.
Draw shots are extremely difficult to control when going for position. Remember the old saw, "Draw for show follow for dough."
Yep. Draw for flash ... follow for the cash. (unless draw is the right play or the only option).
Perfect!
Génial.
As always, great content. Just curious... Are(were) you by chance an engineer/in an extremely technical field of work? It seems that way based off of the way you narrate your videos and how in depth you explain certain aspects of the game.
Thanks. I have a PhD in mechanical engineering and was a university professor for 30 years. That mostly explains my teaching style. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/dr-dave
Grande shot
A big, well-played draw shot is very satisfying.
DR DiVE od 11 godine igram bilijar i sve znam cak i vašu 1 vezbu onu kada se bela braca preko stola a onu gde su sedmica i osmica još nisam skinuo ali zbog BACK SPINA sam uvek gubio pa i preko rogova. Meni uvek odskoci kada je udarima moli vas vaš pratilac ako moze jedan video na temu sa rogovima. Molim vas i veliko hvala DR DAVE.
Sorry, but I don't know what you mean by "with horns."
Google Translate:
DR DiVE, I have been playing billiards since I was 11 years old, and I know everything, even your 1st exercise, when the white brothers are over the table and the one where they are seven and eight, I haven't taken it off yet, but because of BACK SPIN I always lost, even over the horns. My companion always bounces when he beats you, your companion begs you if he can make a video on the subject with horns. Please and thank you very much DR DAVE.
Poštovani gospodine Dive želim vam puno srece imao bih jedno pitanje u vezi back spina kako se na bosovoj koji izvodi back SPIN ovo vas pitam jer mi se uvek vrati usporeno kao kada pokazuje vaša koleginica Sandy. Zelim vam sve najbolje molim vas za pomoć zato što sam milion puta povredio ruku a i niko neće da kaže kada ga pitam a i moja coja je bodova . Moli vas vaš vjerni pratilac za pomoć. Hvala.
Sorry, but I do not understand your question.
What's weird is Efren would use a lot of body motion after the hit, but I'm guessing the body motion is after the contact.
He GOaT lucky that all the “body english” theatrics were after the hit. :)
Thanks for not using that drop in the puddle intro byte. Hey, Doc... Being also into the physics of the mechanical realm, I'd love it if yous guys would check out some of your draw techniques using an old Valley metallic cue ball. I have found that they alter game play perhaps due to overall weight or maybe how the mass of the ball is distributed within. Anyway, I find that I have a harder time achieving same like draw performance as with a regular phenolic ball. And even normal glance angles and rolls differ a bit. Am I crazy?
Yep, you’re probably just crazy. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards So you have never heard any claim that the valley magnetic cue ball plays differently? You must not have done much bar table culture over the years. They definitely perform differently. Instead of the comment though it would be nice if you and or Samm actually checked the claim out.
I have played on Valley bar boxes for many years in VNEA leagues and tournaments with the magnetic CB. I even did some weighing and measuring of a large number of Valley CBs many years ago. See the bottom of this article:
billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2012/feb12.pdf
I have also studied ball weight/size difference effects in detail. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/ball/weight/
Anecdotally, I have not noticed any real performance differences with the Valley CBs, except when they are dirty or when the cloth is new or old and dirty. But these effects are the same with all balls, per the info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/table/cloth-effects/
and here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/ball/cleaning/
I have noticed Valley CBs being out of balance at times, where they don't roll straight when hit slowly on a level table, but that's about it.
@@DrDaveBilliards Again... I notice getting same like draw performance is an obvious never happens thing. It should be an easy check and dispute. I have a harder time achieving good draw shots with them. It can't just be me. Others have agreed with me. Don't see many APA game players using heavy draw either. But they use replacement cue balls in some of those matches. I noticed... others noticed... Maybe you only give some things a cursory glance and apply your "I know this is how it is" to it and never actually do any analysis. Like with the close stroke shots. You are used to seeing level stick videos of double tip strike fouls. Do you really think that there is no way for a human to do it right? My contention is that if a hop shot is legal and considered a single tip strike, then my elevated strokes can be examined and see that I only strike the ball once. But all of your replies have been blanket presumptions of failure and perhaps include you not even looking at the video(s). I spent inordinate amounts of time looking at yours, and mine are only a few seconds each, yet you nor any of your experts has looked or commented on them. It's not like I am trying to make money off them. It is about pool.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight There are several possible explanations for reduced draw:
- CB heavier than the OBs
- CB surface non-smooth or dirty
- cloth not very slick
Dobar dan poštovani draw shot ja imam jedno pitanje u vezi draw shot udarca inače jako dugo igram bilijar itd pitanje je kada izvodim draw shot udarac na daljinu kako da spustio vratilo a da mi štap ostane ravan ovo pitam zato što mi se često dešava pri udarcu da vas pohvalom prvenstveno gospodjicu i gospodina koji pokazuju i molio bih vam da mi pomognete u tom smislu želim vam još puno emisija uvezu draw shot udarca jer je vjerujte mi najvažniju od svih udaraca i najpotrebniji zbog toga sam i pitao kako da spustio vratilo od štapa jer mi to najveći problem pravi hvala vam na odgovoru strpljenju i odvojenom vremenu ili možda da pustite neki klip na tu tubu sa spuštanjem vratila za draw shot u još jednom hvala i srecno u daljem radu
Much more draw shot advice and info can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/
Enjoy!
I’ve launched a cue ball across the bar after every time I’ve watched this video! Apparently I have stroke flaws because I thought I was hitting at R/2
It doesn't matter where you "think" you are hitting ... what matters is where and how you "actually" hit. :)
If you want to stop doing that, the advice here might help:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Hey Dr. Dave what do you think about SVB's draw technique? In the transition from back to front stroke he slides the butt of the cue through his fingers (he almost opens his hand) and swings his wrist. Seems to help prevent and transition issues in a power draw but I love you opinions so I'm curious what you think!!
Anything that prevents a rushed transition or grip tightening is a good thing with a draw shot.
@@DrDaveBilliards Much appreciated!!! As I wise man once said "SCIENCE RULES!!!" 😁
thats what i needed, thanks a lot !.
i changed my stance yesterday.
i couldnt cue the ball in a straight line because i added unwanted BHE during the stroke
So i decided to put my front foot more to the side.
Now my front foot is 1,5 diamonds away from the shotline and im able to hit the object ball straight that cue ball and object ball hits each other fully again after the object ball hit the cushion.
the stance is very wide and can be slighly uncomfortable in the groin.Im 1.94m tall
Any advice ?
Check out the following "finding the perfect stance" video:
ruclips.net/video/Uqw5sCEx190/видео.html
Poštovani gospodine DIVe uspeo sam da vratim Back spin na BOSOVOJ čiji ali tek kada sam položio ruku još ne na većoj daljini ali mi se dešava neosetno da stegnem ruku umesto kao gospodja SANDY i vi što pokazuje te ali taj deo kada ona pokazuje je NAJVAŽNIJI KAO KAKO SE TACK Podiže u ruci veliko vam HVALA na razumevanju,strpljenju ,vremenu kao i odgovorima želim vam puno sreće i ako snimate neki perfectan klip voleo BiH da ga objavite sve najbolje vam želim . P S. Posebno se zahvaljujem gospodjom SANDY na PERFECTNO objašnjavanju kao i usporenome videu šta se dešava kada je taj u ruci igrača trebalo mi više od 4,5 godine da sa čoje vratim kuglu za sada ne na ogromnu udaljenost ali da ne steže m dok izvodim BACK takodjer se zahvaljujem i vama gospodine DIVE na PERFECTNOME objašnjavanju koje pokazuje te u igri igrača pri izvodje nju kao i držanju tacka. Ovaj Video je NAJBOLJI od SVIH koji ste do sada objavili i jedno veliko HVALA VAM na strpljenju i vremenu vaš ovaj video dobija😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 Što znači PERFECTNO. Pitao BiH vas za kraj : Da li možete da date neki video o taktici u poslu zato pitam jer su CESS i POOL slični sportovi i lakše je vratiti figuru neko kuglu sa TACKOM . Hvala VAM ovaj VIDeo je najbolji i zaštitni znak meni našega kanala.
I'm glad to hear it. I'm glad you found the video helpful. Good luck with your game!
Hvala gospodine DIVe posle 4,5 godine milion pregleda par vaših klipova i Back spina naročito OB-spina na daljinu.😅😅.