some more comparisons that I didn't notice when putting this together: his up tilt is based on the laser dome deflection animation rather than DDD windmill attacks, he has sliding dash as his dash attack, and most importantly, the KH style finisher slowdown happens ingame when Sora defeats an opponent i also went with KH3 blizzard specifically because its the only blizzaga that has ever inflicted freeze as a status effect, at least without being a weird landmine like in Days
His forward-throw is the Blitz finisher, his back throw is Larxene's KH2FM reaction command, and hitting attack and jump is his ground-to-air basic slash
@@dnmstarsi Or this could be post DDD Sora like right directly after DDD before he started growing pubes and got 1v1 no scoped GG 2 ez mode'd by Namine
@@Elsuya_Milo When you do an air combo in DDD you stay in the air without really falling much where as in KH1 and KH2 Sora is constantly being weighed down and can sometimes hit the ground before the 3rd hit of his main combo comes out properly.
Still, if you had to only choose one between Arcanum, Ragnarok, Strike Raid and Sonic Rave, Sonic Rave is usually the safest choice for any Sora ability.
@@bubbajoe117 I really am surprised they didn't incorporate Strike Raid in any way. I can see him doing a down throw, leaping up, and Strike Raiding the opponent. (Edit: I said Strike RAVE? Musta gotten a couple attacks confused!)
You forgot his dash attack which is KH1 sliding dash ( but to be fair Sakurai also forgot to mention the move lol). Also Sora's back throw is a reference to Larxene "murge" reaction command from KH2 and I think his forward throw is the first hit from his KH1 air combo.
Correction: Forward throw is Blitz. Also, up tilt could either be the laser dome reflection, but because it's an offensive move, I think it is the "Wild Dance" RC against Neoshadows
I was a bit bothered that he had a counter but then I remembered how his guard worked in KH and to be honest I understood why they did it, it works quite well.
@@s-wo8781 Sephiroth has Scintilla in Dissidia, which is a game most renditions of him take inspiration from. I don't know about other games he's in though.
I'd wait til he comes out to determine that. I got the impression that he'd be bottom of high tier simply because of his recovery and combo game. Down smash and Down tilt probably lead into a lot of stuff. His weight is the main problem though and might hold him back.
meanwhile joshua is too busy making rindo run around and try to save shibuya because he's too much of a sociopath to bother stopping his co-worker from destroying it
They did such an amazing job 😭 the alternate outfits , all the attacks! They gave sora all the attacks from all of the other games !!! Holy shit ✊🏻🔥 I’m so glad they didn’t just recolor the kh1 sora outfit for the alternate outfits.
@@eggsack806 ooh my bad, did not read my comment back for clarity, what I meant was I was hoping to see a final form alt outfit…and the yes they did was a nod to them doing an amazing job with his design lol
I always thought it was from the Xemnas boss battle from KH2 in the reflect section. Shows what I know! 🤣 I am 99% sure his backthrow is from the Larxene Absent Silhouette battle in KH2, though, when he uses the merge reaction command on her
Omg you're absolutely right, I was think it might be zantetsuken or the mushu summoning cutscene. This one adds up way better because of the levitating aspect
Anime Swordsman Jigglypuff. But seriously, I've never seen a character that is so geared toward hyper-aggressive chasing someone off the stage and *then recovering anyway.* If Sora is super light and easy to launch, has a counter, and has crazy recovery options... the intended playstyle looks like "Just Don't Get Hit" and "Chase People Like They Have 1 Stock, Forever"
Combo Master is how sora is able to continuously attack without having to hit an enemy it’s a modern ability that they also included in the HD remix of KH1, hence the combo string in the air without actually hitting anything I wonder if Sakurai knew that before hand
You know, I think it's funny that Sonic Blade is such an iconic move for Sora that it made it into Smash, when in KH Sora originally learned the move from Cloud, who is also in Smash but it's not actually a move he uses in FF7 or Smash and was made for him to specifically use in KH
the only thing im guessing for 0:19 is that is that reaction command in kh2 when he fights Xemnas and hes in that dome. i can't think of any other moment where sora did anything like that tbh x- x
Within the constrains of being based on KH1 and no Disney, I really think his Final Smash could've been Ars into Ragnarok. I get wanting to showcase the whole keyblade locking thing, but Ars and Ragnarok are some of the most iconic parts of KH1 Sora's moveset, and they could easily be combined into a single Final Smash.
@@Xeno_Solarus Yeah, honestly I feel like I'm the only one who really likes his final smash. He feels similar to Ness/Lucas where they're really meant to represent the game as a whole rather than just their single character. Hence, why both of them have access to PK techniques that they never used in the original but their party members did.
@@nexalusthegreat1630 WHO WOULD WIN (in representing Earthbound as a whole)? > Move that you, the player, named your very self and that gets used by the game's poster boy throughout the entire adventure and evolves before your very eyes over the course of the game VS. > Move that only the part-timer fourth guy learns and that gets used against maybe 2 bosses and its only upgrade happens offscreen
Honestly I really love how much attention to detail they put into Sora’s moveset by considering his moveset from the games. Makes me realize they must have spent a while even thinking and considering this kind of stuff, which makes me appreciate the Smash team even more for that. They did a bang up job with him in Smash
I just checked the footage from the presentation (where Sora fights against Cloud and Sephiroth) and can confirm that his dodge roll ability is also present exactly where you think it would be.
I like how since hes a younger sora and his smashes are used by a older soras, they look like early versions he was still working on. like for example his up smash looks like he gets pushed off balance while his kh3 version can use it in the air with ease.
the up attack actually perfectly matches an animation from the boat fight in timeless river when u deflect the trash upwards, needed to let the world know this
I'm really glad they based his design and most of his moveset from KH 1 as I feel his Kh 1 design is more iconic and the more rememberable of his movesets besides KH 2
People talked shit about Magic Flash but I always predicted it would be his up-smash. I do wish they used more of his kh2 and 3 moves, though. Like his down smash could've been explosion, his forward smash could've been last charge, and his final smash could've been ars. But I guess I can't complain too much, it's crazy he's even in smash to begin with
His down smash was already a kh2 move though, one that came back in kh3, and his final smash is fitting as it is meant to reference the series as a whole and not just sora
I watched. Another play through of KH2 because why not, and I realized that his up tilt is probably from the final battle where him and riku are deflecting all the beams being fired at them
Игры
some more comparisons that I didn't notice when putting this together: his up tilt is based on the laser dome deflection animation rather than DDD windmill attacks, he has sliding dash as his dash attack, and most importantly, the KH style finisher slowdown happens ingame when Sora defeats an opponent
i also went with KH3 blizzard specifically because its the only blizzaga that has ever inflicted freeze as a status effect, at least without being a weird landmine like in Days
Sora is boosted
Sora is always op in the air, now in smash!
Will sora feel like an osaka team game or kh2?
@@Sonicfalcon16 Seeing him being very floaty and very mobile in the air which it showed in the direct should already answer your question...
His forward-throw is the Blitz finisher, his back throw is Larxene's KH2FM reaction command, and hitting attack and jump is his ground-to-air basic slash
He finally managed to land in a new game without forgetting all his abilities!
Hoorayy
Yep! Although the result made him younger but at least his clothes are magical or something!
Frrr lmfao
@@dnmstarsi Or this could be post DDD Sora like right directly after DDD before he started growing pubes and got 1v1 no scoped GG 2 ez mode'd by Namine
@@strechemall Eh, his KH3 alts kinda ruin the theory. LOL
Sora's Floatiness comes from the amount of fans that's really happy that their Dreams they believed in came true.
And it's the good kind of floatiness, the fluid kind. Not the DDD stiff kind.
@@reddodeado301 DDD is stiff?
With all the flowmotion stuff?
@@Elsuya_Milo When you do an air combo in DDD you stay in the air without really falling much where as in KH1 and KH2 Sora is constantly being weighed down and can sometimes hit the ground before the 3rd hit of his main combo comes out properly.
Brawl sora
don't say the f-word
I love how Sakurai incorporated actual KH abilities into his moveset 💙
Almost every character has moves from their game in their moveset
@@outofthecoral I think he's specifically talking about how they managed to add the command deck...similar to the DQ Hero.
@@arigat-s0244 well yes and no, its not a list you select from, its actual attacks that flow normally
Missing strike raid
@@outofthecoral Sora is one of the few characters who still has most of his original game mechanics incorporated into the game.
I like how this is essentially the same moveset as Super Smash Flash 2
I know right?! His Neutral B in Ultimate is basically the same as his Down B in SSF2!!
It's only really his Neutral Special, but both movesets are great!
Sakurai probably plays SSF2 lmao.
His Side B is so similar as well, despite not being the exact same thing
@@Zero-rq9ti that gon an actual chuckle out of me. Thanks.
Wish he had his trademark attacks like ars Arcanum, ragnarok, etc but I'm still happy he's in the game
Still, if you had to only choose one between Arcanum, Ragnarok, Strike Raid and Sonic Rave, Sonic Rave is usually the safest choice for any Sora ability.
@@bubbajoe117 I really am surprised they didn't incorporate Strike Raid in any way. I can see him doing a down throw, leaping up, and Strike Raiding the opponent.
(Edit: I said Strike RAVE? Musta gotten a couple attacks confused!)
Yeah, I agree.
Right? Like I can't believe they weren't the final smash
Down B could have been great for Ragnarok or Ars Arcanum
You forgot his dash attack which is KH1 sliding dash ( but to be fair Sakurai also forgot to mention the move lol). Also Sora's back throw is a reference to Larxene "murge" reaction command from KH2 and I think his forward throw is the first hit from his KH1 air combo.
Correction: Forward throw is Blitz. Also, up tilt could either be the laser dome reflection, but because it's an offensive move, I think it is the "Wild Dance" RC against Neoshadows
@@gagejoseph91 Fthrow is not Blitz
@@viii8993 First watched this on a tiny screen. Now that I'm watching this on a normal, full-sized screen, yeah, it's not Blitz.
U are a tru fan star toast
back throw could also be based off of Blow Off, one of the Flowmotion finishers in Dream Drop Distance
No excuses now, Sham:
When the world opens up more, I want to see you at Evo on Smash.
Someone mods Pit to be Mysterious Figure
@@lowhp_comic sakurai: this a code red we are under attack brace yourself
The world opens up now or it never opens up :)
Naturally immunity ftw
First the world has to be unlocked so pathways can open again.
@@undeadman7676 truth
This is pretty good. The only thing I disagree with is Blizzard. It seems more like the KH1 shotgun blast than 3's big projectile.
Couldn’t agree more
would be too similar to Firaga I guess
My only gripe is that his counter isn't reflect but thats so minor that I don't really mind in the end
It does "reflect" projectiles it just doesn't send them back
@@umbra_87gaming77 She meant the spell Reflect from KH2
Yeah but if it was reflect it’d be busted. All you’d see on yt is “winning with only down special as sora”
True Sora fan here I agree but it's not really a issue
We should be grateful that he made it in the first place
I still can't believe Sora is really in Smash. Sakurai-San, you and your whole team are my heroes for this!
Yeah but it’s in Ultimate so it’s doesn’t count. Lol
@@m0002856 wait which smash should Sora be in if not Ultimate?
@@m0002856 we'll be praying for peeps like you.
@@m0002856 oh are you one of *those* guys who still somehow thinks Ultimate is a Smash 4 port? I feel sorry for you lol
Is a real achievement considering that maybe the negotiations started right after the smash ballot
dash attack is slide dash from kh1, sakurai doesnt mention it, but he uses it when he was talking about follow ups after firaga.
hoo boy, i can already think of a combo
@@danarisato8250 tell me
@@xeno4693 no
Gablink we have the same profile pic :D
@@DecayedPyro lol
Imagine if the heal up taunt healed, like 0.01%.
So minor but that would have been SOoo dope!
They should have made it do that
Kind of like how one of luigi’s taunts is technically an “attack”
I feel if it should heal you 0.5 but you cant get the health boost without the animation finishing nor can you just heal spam
@@niggussimmals9649 imagine winning a tournament with this move, crazy
What's crazy is that Sora looks like how he does in the CG videos for the KH games, like in the intros and the secret endings and whatnot
the opener on his side tilt autocombo is also Slapshot! it's amazing how much detail they put into Sora
I love how for the magic for fire you just shoot a poor moogle that’s just walking
Meanwhile at the tutorial of dissidia, the moogle makes you fight the final boss of the game if you say that you are the best
Hearing Sora's voice go from "prepubescent boy" to "grown-ass adult trying his darndest to sound like a teenager" is pretty funny.
They even have the original effects for Stopga! Haven’t seen those in years!
I was a bit bothered that he had a counter but then I remembered how his guard worked in KH and to be honest I understood why they did it, it works quite well.
Literally the only character with a counter that has a counter in their games.
@@Cri_Jackal bayonetta's witch time
@Sigma X I don't remember Sephiroth having one.
if only they used reflect
@@s-wo8781 Sephiroth has Scintilla in Dissidia, which is a game most renditions of him take inspiration from. I don't know about other games he's in though.
I absolutely love how his counter is the same as the KH1 ability. I love the spamming the hell out of that move back in the day.
If Sakurai negotiated with Disney and studied the Kh lore, then he really wanted to get Sora into Smash
he mentions that he played all of the games himself
I think his back throw is based off of the throw you can perform on heavy enemies when in flowmotion in 3D
I think...
I tought it was the reation command against Larxenne, looked somewhat similiar
lmao I thought it was from the 100 acre mini game where you throw Pooh
I was thinking it was from one of goofy’s limits
@@LinkinMark1994 same
In other words, what you guys are saying... Is that he does this a lot
sora is an S tier fighter already
Hes floaty and thats usually bad in ultimate. We'll have to wait 2 more weeks and see
I'd wait til he comes out to determine that. I got the impression that he'd be bottom of high tier simply because of his recovery and combo game. Down smash and Down tilt probably lead into a lot of stuff. His weight is the main problem though and might hold him back.
@@caelum9471 S-/A+ Ranks I'm gonna guess.
He looks mid high tier
彼は強さに関わらず存在するだけでSランクのキャラクター
Neku : See you in Shibuya
Sora : Yeah , it's a deal
meanwhile
Sora : wait a minute , this is not Shibuya . Joshua , are you did this to me ?
meanwhile joshua is too busy making rindo run around and try to save shibuya because he's too much of a sociopath to bother stopping his co-worker from destroying it
Meanwhile Riku in Quadratum : Goddammit Sora!
RPG 217, oh yes!
Riku: "Sora, where are you NOW again? You always get lost! 🤦♀️"
I wish I could play ddd again...
@@plushifoxed All part of -Aizen's- Joshua's master plan
I think my favorite thing not mentioned here is the fact that his back throw is the reaction command he uses to slam Larxene's clones back together
His up tilt might be a reference to the neo shadow reaction command in kh2
They did such an amazing job 😭 the alternate outfits , all the attacks! They gave sora all the attacks from all of the other games !!! Holy shit ✊🏻🔥
I’m so glad they didn’t just recolor the kh1 sora outfit for the alternate outfits.
I was hoping to see a final form alt outfit T^T and yes they did!
@@sk82rok you mean to tell me they did an ultimate form instead of final form !? Bummer.
I wish anti form was a thing
@@eggsack806 ooh my bad, did not read my comment back for clarity, what I meant was I was hoping to see a final form alt outfit…and the yes they did was a nod to them doing an amazing job with his design lol
@@sk82rok haha ah yeah, I hope they include final form eventually
@@eggsack806 it would be funny to see Roxas as a Sora variant similar to byleth, just because why not?
His Up Tilt is actually from the beginning of Tornado from ReCoM.
I always thought it was from the Xemnas boss battle from KH2 in the reflect section. Shows what I know! 🤣 I am 99% sure his backthrow is from the Larxene Absent Silhouette battle in KH2, though, when he uses the merge reaction command on her
@@TheLegendOfLame yeah I believe it’s from Larxene as well
Omg you're absolutely right, I was think it might be zantetsuken or the mushu summoning cutscene. This one adds up way better because of the levitating aspect
Anime Swordsman Jigglypuff. But seriously, I've never seen a character that is so geared toward hyper-aggressive chasing someone off the stage and *then recovering anyway.* If Sora is super light and easy to launch, has a counter, and has crazy recovery options... the intended playstyle looks like "Just Don't Get Hit" and "Chase People Like They Have 1 Stock, Forever"
0:31 I like that end pose
Combo Master is how sora is able to continuously attack without having to hit an enemy it’s a modern ability that they also included in the HD remix of KH1, hence the combo string in the air without actually hitting anything I wonder if Sakurai knew that before hand
Since he said he played the games I take it he knows it by heart.
@@LimitPro1 lol heart, kingdom hearts
I think the only real game to miss combo master is BBS....which is also another reason why standart combos suck in that game.
You know, I think it's funny that Sonic Blade is such an iconic move for Sora that it made it into Smash, when in KH Sora originally learned the move from Cloud, who is also in Smash but it's not actually a move he uses in FF7 or Smash and was made for him to specifically use in KH
That probably has to do with kh cloud not being the same cloud from ff7
the only thing im guessing for 0:19 is that is that reaction command in kh2 when he fights Xemnas and hes in that dome. i can't think of any other moment where sora did anything like that tbh x- x
I think it's also part of the finisher Terra and Aqua do for their Bladecharge command change
It looks similar to the cure animation for master form without the second keyblade obviously.
Thank for your work!!! We needed it
Also his "run" is neverland gliding
Really cool that they added moves from various games.
Ah, they translated his moves in such a cool way!
There's an RC against Neoshadows in 2 that looks like his up tilt
I love that you included multiple versions of the attacks, good attention to detail!
Glad im subbed to you man! Great content right away!
Within the constrains of being based on KH1 and no Disney, I really think his Final Smash could've been Ars into Ragnarok. I get wanting to showcase the whole keyblade locking thing, but Ars and Ragnarok are some of the most iconic parts of KH1 Sora's moveset, and they could easily be combined into a single Final Smash.
I think the Final Smash he has is better than that. More impactful and also references the end of the game.
@@Xeno_Solarus Yeah, honestly I feel like I'm the only one who really likes his final smash. He feels similar to Ness/Lucas where they're really meant to represent the game as a whole rather than just their single character. Hence, why both of them have access to PK techniques that they never used in the original but their party members did.
Nah man I’m in love with it, not going to front I was hoping for a final form related attack
Should have been Final Form for the Final Smash.
OP magic and Keyblades zooming over the stage. But that would definitely have been more work
@@nexalusthegreat1630 WHO WOULD WIN (in representing Earthbound as a whole)?
> Move that you, the player, named your very self and that gets used by the game's poster boy throughout the entire adventure and evolves before your very eyes over the course of the game
VS.
> Move that only the part-timer fourth guy learns and that gets used against maybe 2 bosses and its only upgrade happens offscreen
up tilt is the animation from pressing x and triangle to deflect zebra xemnas dm
Zebra xemnas 😂
You've already did this. That's crazy, nice work.
Honestly I really love how much attention to detail they put into Sora’s moveset by considering his moveset from the games.
Makes me realize they must have spent a while even thinking and considering this kind of stuff, which makes me appreciate the Smash team even more for that. They did a bang up job with him in Smash
I'm a little sad his down smash wasn't explosion, hands down one of the most satisfying attacks to both see and hear in kh2
I'd like to see stun impact for sure
I knew someone was gonna make this video, glad it was you Sham~
I think his Blizzaga is based more on KH1 because it fires multiple shots? Still, good to see side by side comparisons, it’s pretty hype
Data Sora is in smash
Thank you! I was looking for something like this!
The blizzaga is more like kh1 blizzaga imo
I just checked the footage from the presentation (where Sora fights against Cloud and Sephiroth) and can confirm that his dodge roll ability is also present exactly where you think it would be.
I like how since hes a younger sora and his smashes are used by a older soras, they look like early versions he was still working on. like for example his up smash looks like he gets pushed off balance while his kh3 version can use it in the air with ease.
i think that up tilt is kinda a pull, feels similar to the move he does against skoll in 3 but thats a pull too.
Man I love that traverse Town music kingdom hearts literally have the best sound tracks
I think the uptilt is a reference to the reaction command from kh2 where sora would deflect the bouncing enemies as they were about to hit him
the up attack actually perfectly matches an animation from the boat fight in timeless river when u deflect the trash upwards, needed to let the world know this
I love how he goes from fighting Sephiroth to fighting a literal clock
I like that they kept the overall theme for Sora as KH1.
I knew hurricane blast never looked this good before, god the animation team for smash is insanely talented!
I'm really glad they based his design and most of his moveset from KH 1 as I feel his Kh 1 design is more iconic and the more rememberable of his movesets besides KH 2
Beautiful! You really illustrated how Sora's inclusion is a mixture of all of his appearances and games he is playable in!
Personally would've preferred to have Zantetsuken as the counter attack, but oh well. still cool to see him there
I love how this Sora has all of his moves from across his games.
Sakurai really has done Sora justice.
That moogle has done nothing to you
I was REALLY hoping for Ars Arcanum and Ragnarok but this is still great
I like how one of the taunts is putting stop on himself 😂
brings a tear to my eye :')
They really just saw super smash flash and said “this is canon now”
You work hella fast
It would have been cool if donald and goofy would have been in the final smash but i don't wanna push my luck. Hes in and thats all i ever wanted
I was hoping one of sora specials would be shot lock as his main projectile but im still happy with what we got cant wait
His counter is also similar to KH3'S counter slash.
True but the animation is closer to kh1
Kh1 block, kh3 reprisal
Damn you work fast
What did the Moogle even do to you?
I hope he stays in smash after this. He truly fits in so well.
Wow you work fast
i love how EVERY SINGLE MOVE is rippef straight from kingdom hearts
As usual Sakurai and his team's attention to details is absolutely mesmerizing.
My heart man
i cant explain how but hurricane blast is pretty OP, helped me defeating Ansem/Xemnas ((KH1 Final Boss)) on the hardest difficulty
People talked shit about Magic Flash but I always predicted it would be his up-smash.
I do wish they used more of his kh2 and 3 moves, though. Like his down smash could've been explosion, his forward smash could've been last charge, and his final smash could've been ars. But I guess I can't complain too much, it's crazy he's even in smash to begin with
His down smash was already a kh2 move though, one that came back in kh3, and his final smash is fitting as it is meant to reference the series as a whole and not just sora
I love how they took moves from all the games and not Only 1
Mr. Sham u are a blessing
I love this kind if content but wow, this man kind of sweated to make this video, good work
His backthrow is also from Larxene'a data battle in KH2
Also his uptilt reminds me more of the reflect reaction command in the final Xemnas boss battle of KH2, but I could be wrong
His Final Smash is basically a reference to the ending of Kingdom Hearts.
I'm just bumped that he didn't do his flashy Keyblade "dance" before it. He just swirls it once.
He needs his brutal moves from KH when you unlock all his moves
I watched. Another play through of KH2 because why not, and I realized that his up tilt is probably from the final battle where him and riku are deflecting all the beams being fired at them
Now that sora is in smash stickman sham will now have to master smash ultimate and make “the super smash bros ultimate experience”
when i saw the moveset, i started getting ssf2 vibes because there’re some great similarities between the movesets
His 3 hit combo comes from chain of memories on the gameboy
It’s more identical
I thought his up smash was from when Mickey held a key blade in 1. The position looks identical
At first, I thought his side b would be strike raid, up b to be glide, and down b magic selection (Like Hero’s).
Based days thunder, they knew.
1:11 Sora's counter attack.
(Shows battle with Sephiroth in KH)
That was a perfect scene where we need it, along with our childhood trauma.
Freeze, thunder, and fire. Huh, wonder where *those* came from.
i know what youre getting at, but final fantasy did it first
Psychiatrist: key is not dangerous it cannot hurt you
Sora:
The up tilt looks more reminiscent of the final attack that you have to block from Xemnas in KH2
Aerial Sweep is also featured in KH:Recoded as a command too!
AFTER YEARS HE'S FINALLY HERE I LOVE YOU DISNEY AND NINTENDO YAAAAAAAAAY