My greatest admiration goes to the presenters. It must be hugely difficult for two native German-speakers to communicate in English - and still retain the colloquial sense of what they're saying (in a foreign language). Hats off to both of you!
I know three languages just enough for travel (Spanish, French, Japanese), as in never ask where something is because I won't understand "past the school, turn left at the barber shop"; instead, point and ask if it is in that direction. The hardest part for me is the vocabulary and the finer points of grammar, yet these guys miss only one word out of 100, tops, and even then, the meaning is easily understood. It is amazing how nuanced their English is.
What's the proper template for the division ? I suggest 5 regiments of 5 battalions each. Each battalion having an oval on the symbol obviously, but also a dot in the middle, because... (Self-propelled) ARTILLERY ONLY !!!
"combined topics warfare" is the most German thing I've ever heard. On a more serious note, teaching people by literally showing how many supplies you'd need etc. is a great way to bring across that it is indeed not just about the armor thickness and the guns.
Think logistics is the biggest underestimated/unappreciated/unknown people have, even if we are aware of it. Like i know 'an army marches on its stomach' and problems with supply lines, maintenance manufacturing, specific parts, sourcing of meterial (rubber,aluminium etc), etc etc, yet i have no idea about how much fuckery & magic is required to get it all to work. I cant picture how many trucks per tank, how much food to feed battalions
@@fredfinks I always thought a good idea to show the different fighting men what it takes to get them to war would be to show them a sheet of paper that says per fighting man hour, how many man hours for each different piece of the puzzle would be used. I had a lot of friends that were infantry and they always said bad things about logistics. I always responded by telling them "who got you your food, water and bullets?". Some of them get it, some of them do not.
@@sbreheny The Cheiftain is a youtuber, a historian and ex-US army tanker who works for the Company that makes World of Tanks, and makes videos about tanks where he climbs around, over and inside them, where he often points out things like tow hooks, brackets for the crew kit, how to tension the tracks, and other "operator" type things that are often left out of many videos. he looks at the tanks form the "crewman's" perspective, with a emphasis on things like how easy it is to use, how difficult the maintenance is, and so on. the celvis is the sort of thing he'd point out and explain that many people doing videos on tanks would gloss over.
Extra humour is that the Clevis is the bit that you hook into with a towing cable. The Chieftan tank was notorious for breaking down and needing a tow. Best tank in NATO if it broke down in the right place of course.
Over-estimating enemy targets is common in all environments. In the Pacific, it was common for aircraft pilots and crew to report enemy cruisers as battleships, or transports as destroyers, even on clear days while not engaged with the enemy. Add some ground cover, smoke, and tiny vision slits, while the enemy firing at you, and it's easy to "see" what you most fear.
Idea for the museum, practisch rounds (same weight as real ones but inurt) and a breach to load them in, in an area marked the same space as the real turret, so they can feel how it is and like a loose cupola, with video screens in stead of periscopes, showing a short film of what you might see on a battle field, and then ask did you see, this or that guy. so you realy can get the feel of blindness, and maybe multiple displays with old/modern technolegy to see the evolution. could be like a guy crawling to your tank and then climbing on it, to show why you need combined arms and not just tank can do it all.
I would love the loading, but some people are so damn poor at coordinating their limbs and someone would probably get hurt. The other part of the comment also sounds cool and probably wouldn't be so expensive to make with some multi position speakers and VR. Good ideas!
@@wrakowic You could probably attach a rope to each end, or at least the butt end, to prevent dropping it. Even if the weight is suspended and visitors don't have to actually lift it, they can still feel the mass. The front rope could run through the practice breech.
There's a well known phenomenon in psychology that is somewhat at odds with what a lot of people think of as psychologically desirable. Namely, that most people actually tend to perceive encountering something they're unsure of, or that might be threatening, as a real threat, while a relative minority don't. So, imagine you're walking through some woods and you see a shape, or something move, most people have a tendency to assume it's a threat, and say, run away, or at least feel spooked. A minority of people don't assume or consider it to be a threat until they've confirmed it really is. Now, the latter response seems like the cooler and more level headed approach but consider the outcome for each approach. If it's nothing and you run away, oh well, you look silly but it doesn't cost you anything meaningful. If it is a threat and you don't react, well, you might die. I suspect with the common "it was a TIGER TANK" reaction amongst allied soldiers a similar thing was going on, being on high alert and assuming something is the greater threat is the better survival strategy, assuming things that might be tanks aren't, or that it's a less threatening tank, while it seems cooler, is probably more likely to get you killed.
Also it should be noted that a lot of the times they were actually Panzer IV Hs being mistaken for tigers because of the boxy outline of the skirt armor
In a military context this is more complicated when considering that often units took most of the battle casualties while running away (enemy is no longer concerned of own security and can focus on shooting, you might have to pass bad terrain for the escape e.g. an upward slope). I agree that avoiding combat would usually improve your chances of survival though, but once your into combat getting spooked or panicking endangers yourself and everyone around you!
@@stuglife5514 absolutely, and if you were a Sherman crew it would be understandable that you'd think "Tiger!" And not sit around trying to figure out if it was a Tiger or later model panzer IV with a long gun. I mean, either way it can put a round through your front glacis so it's not like it was a terribly important distinction.
@@blorblor5438 those are some very good points and it's where a lot of our psychology and intuition runs counter to what works in combat, which is why I guess so much effort is put into training soldiers to not do what a lot of their instincts tell them. That said, I guess assuming there's a threat is probably still a better choice than assuming there isn't even if you have a trained response; like in the case if thinking you see a Tiger 1 rather than a late model Panzer IV shooting it a bunch is a good idea either way, and maybe call in an air strike if it's an option, I mean if it turns out it was a Panzer IV, who cares? You're alive. If it turns out it really was a Tiger 1, hooray, you just got a Tiger 1 killed.
@@wh8787 Exactly, at the end of the day it didn’t matter to those tankers, as a 7.5cm and an 8.8cm can equally fuck your day up. Unless you were lucky enough to get the later boxy style Sherman hills like the E4s, and the E8s, as they were proven to be quite capable of stoping 7.5cm shells from the front, but even then American tanks didn’t come across German armor very often, much less actual German battle tanks. Most engagements American tanks took place in was mostly against infantry, and even when they saw “armor” it was usually SPGs and such
One of the best "short form" military history channels on RUclips. Myself not being a soldier, and almost all of my history reading on the politics and "Grand Strategy" aspects of war. It's a good way to teach "combined topics education".
Very impressed by the person of Ralf RATHS ! He's so energetic and sparkling, what an attediude - very positive. Plus the knowledge that he shared is impressive. Not often museums have such young, energetic and passionate directors. Congrats - a very good promotion for the Panzermuseum Munster.
It's my boy Ralf Raths!!!! Always a pleasure to listen to him, and of course you as well Visualized. Lol good to I'm not the only one who know Fury was shit.........
I have always loved, objective, un-emotional discourse. Thank you, Ralf and MVH for this video - puts so many things in perspective. - An ex-Army brat who still remembers his ride in a medium tank so many years ago.
One display that would be neat is where one can go inside a tank and see for themselves what the visibility is. This could be a mock up and not a real tank. Then around the tank/mock up one can have things that one tries to see from inside the tank/mock up (say on displays on external flat panel screens located about the tank/mock up), and maybe one can turn that into a game to see who can spot the most the quickest, maybe while having other tasks to do as wel to better simulate what a real tank commander/crew might face..
Great conversation gentlemen. I subscribed to DasPanzermuseum as soon as you said videos in English. Danke! So many stories can be told from any one tank. the development of the design, details of it's individual/personal, production, the doctrine, strategy and deployment it was destined for, and finally the people who called it home in the hell of war.
Compared to some of the tripe and detritus that passes for educational fare, Military History Visualized is the real deal. Always filled with insights, backed by facts and logical introspection, I always believe that I have benefitted whenever I watch his superb content.
I find it interesting how they were able to weld a 15cm and a 10cm plate together without messing up the heat treatment or leaving weak spots in the middle. Also, I find it amazing that the new leopard has a similar sized cannon as the Maus, but is smaller and reloads so much faster by hand.
@Jimmy De'Souza I know, but it implies several things: 1) if the imparted kinetic energy is similar, then the shell must contain a stronger propellant 2) this results in more wear of the cannon and yet the cannon is much lighter and slimmer, which in turn indicates a far better metallurgy (AFAIK they have two tubes on top of each other rather than one thick tapering barrel). 3) fitting such a powerful cannon in a relatively small turret requires a far more effective recoil dampener. Also the Jagdtiger and Maus had a Pak with a two part ammunition system, whereas modern MBTs have only one part to load. Another important aspect is that a APHECBC shell or similar weights a lot more than an APFSDS, even when both have the same powderload behind it. Similarly a HESH, or HEAT-FS is still significantly lighter than any full callibre AP-round.
So the tank/war museum director is charismatic, dresses smartly in black, and is an expert on how people react under extreme stress. Hmmm... Nobody go to his volcano island.
Mr Raths is famous here in the US, thanks to a show called Greatest Tank battles. He is a contributor to the narration of this show, that features high quality computer animations of most of the tank battles of the 20th century. Every tank fanatic and WW2 enthusiast, needs to take a look at this show if you haven't seen it already.
16:50 reminds me one soviet war time photo album I saw. There were a lot of destroyed german self-propelled guns and every one was signed "Ferdinand SPG" or at least "Ferdinand type SPG". Actually there wasn`t any Ferdinand in this album at all.
If I recall correctly, that was something the Soviets did deliberately to encourage soldiers by deliberately confronting the notion that every German SPG was some invincible monster.
@@XanderTuron, some kind of myth. The idea looks odd itself. Understatement in prophaganda usually takes place before war and pays back with low morale of soldiers who see diffirence between picture and reality or rumors. And ferdinand in 1943 is not the case. In fact Red Army issued dozens of brochures and instructions like these: broneboy.ru/wp-content/uploads/instrukcia_5.gif broneboy.ru/wp-content/uploads/instrukcia_7.jpg broneboy.ru/wp-content/uploads/instrukcia_3.jpg Because it`s obvious that reliable information about enemy tanks helps ATG and tank crews to use their equipment effectively and awoid unnessessary loses.
A tank is a Weapons System, deployed as part of a tactical plan. Tanks need maintenance vehicles, motor pools, recovery vehicles, ordnance dumps, and a lot of support in the form of Infantry, Artillery, and Electronic Intelligence gathering/dissemination.
You are correct, however war is based around the Infantry, every other part of a combined arms force no matter what form it takes is there to support the Infantry in the taking and holding of ground through close combat. Tanks cannot achieve every tactical action or effect they are a pretty blunt tool that makes a big hole.
I can't wait to go to Munster and visit! (I'll have to brush up on my German)Thank you for all the great videos MHV. As a fellow gamer and ww2 buff there is so much we agree on and I love the realistic and factual views you take on these topics that are usually filled with grandiose bs. Liebe aus Amerika!
*Museum ideas:* Have replica mini-sections of tanks and other AFVs for visitor use: padded vision slits with videos of what's seen through tank vision slits, hatches to stick your head thru, cramped gunner seats with example gun fire buttons to try out, movable driver levers with sound effects, suspended turrets to stand under and feel a bit of the claustrophobia, and so on. Most would enjoy just seeing these up close even if they don't try them, and parents will certainly enjoy filming their kids enjoying them.
2:10 - The Allied paratrooper stories from WW2 are mainly due to the Dramamine they were made to take to combat motion sickness. Though there is also some truth in what Herr Raths says. :)
Also, a percentage of people who have had a boost in adrenaline, can suddenly feel faint (or feint!) when the event is over. This is due to the body flushing *too much* adrenaline, which also regulates blood pressure in the brain. This combined with the dramamine might have pushed a lot of them into a sleep (maybe after passing out?) ;)
I went through US Army Airborne School and before making my third training jump, I really needed to "void a bowel movement," but was stuck in a C-141 aircraft. During the jump, I became completely entangled with another parachutist-in-training. We both deployed our reserve parachutes and landed safely with one main parachute and both reserve parachutes fully deployed. My main parachute had collapsed from all the wrapping of riser lines. Believe it or not, I still had to "void a bowel movement" and it was the first thing I took care of once I got over to the bleachers area, before riding the bus back into Georgia. (The landing zone was in Alabama.)
That's can't be quite correct because Dramamine came out in 1949. Even diphenhydramine/Benadryl which is its main ingredient was only introduced in 1946.
@@sbreheny The Band of Brothers interviews and other sources confirm that some paratroopers fell asleep after landing. This was blamed on air sickness meds. Maybe the US military got early Dramamine before it was thoroughly researched and perhaps the dosage was too high for these thin almost underweight paratroopers. I've seen interview where a former 101 trooper said that due to his extreme fitness and low body weight, he could get drunk on one beer. A lot of these guys weighed 120-130 lbs.
@@Felsmukk the struggle is real. Ever see the size comparison of a King Tiger round and a Sherman round? And the many photos of Shermans 'brewed' on the battlefields.
These collaboration videos are just fantastic. The modern German perspective puts a really nice spin on the stories and the level of knowledge is unbeatable.
I saw the film made by "The Chieftain", from this Museum, and he also made remarks about the shift to the other, back area, which is probably missed by some guests? We didn't! But I would like to come back, eventually also for the new and coming Museum! And, as a long distance walker in Belgium for many years, I have also missed the actual: Tiger 2, which still stand in La Glieze, in Belgium, with its small museum, close to the place where it ran out of fuel during the offensive!
I was on a long road march in Germany . I was the TC but let the Driver take a break , moved the Gunner to the TC spot . As we drove ,i had to pee .What we used was our canteen cups that we never used . It was normal for 1 of your crew to sleep on road marchs . What people do not understand on tank someone always has to be awake . The crews sleep when they can . Sometimes you may not sleep for days . Your bed is your tank , Very one has his spot were they like to sleep . We live eat , sleep , pee ,shit and wash ourselves on the tank .
One of the things I don't miss about being a treadhead is banging my head on the bits of metal that didn't seem to any purpose other than to bang my head into.
Adding Munster tank museum to my bucket list. Your sleeping paratrooper story is recalled in Band of brothers. You may be interested to know that Private Blythe who falls asleep on landing in Band of Brothers did not die of wounds in Normandy. He stayed in the paratroops after the war and became a senior NCO. You can look up his story online. It would be interesting to know how many Panzer men joined the Bundeswehr after the war. I know some famous senior officers did.
Damn, I really want to visit this place once it's finished renovating. They've clearly got a lot of great ideas and a huge appreciation for their craft (and history).
I have visited this Museum not so long time ago, and they haven't actually got a Tiger 1, only a life size model made from Fiberglas! But it still looks mean!
Maybe Ralf would know the answer to this question. When the 7,5 cm KwK 40 (and StuK 40) first came out there was a shortage of AP ammunition for it. At any time did the Germans substitute the K. Gr. rot Pz. (shell of short KwK 37) for the Pzgr. 39 projectile on the longer KwK 40 round as a stop gap? And what was the "Ullrich" program?
Just when you thought you know too much about panzerkampfwagens, you cross with Ralf Rath and realize you know nothing... I feel like Jhon Snow every time i see this guy... That's why i love him!
We all have our specialities of intellect. For example me and my best friend both study German tanks. But differently. I study how they were practically used on the battlefield and doctrine, while my buddy is more into the mechanical side. Of course I know a lot about their mechichs and he knows a lot about doctrine, but you see what im getting at? Don’t discredit yourself my friend!
Just a tip Heer Director needs to take a trip around the world looking at how other museums have their layouts a must visit is the Waiouru Army Museum in New Zealand 🇳🇿 will give him invaluable information on how other museums work
You're using a German word 7:42 which I had to look up, "technik" which is "technology" in English. It sounds almost like English "technique" which has a different meaning.
yeah, it is even more tricky "Technik" can mean both "technology" or "technique" depending on the context. So some German speakers might say technology when they mean technique or think you mean technology when you say technique.
MHV, I wish you would do a 10 minute talk on the technical differences between the Tiger I 88mm, Soviet advances in armor which lead to the bigger TigerII 88mm and also comparative mention of the 88mm flak guns in anti armor roles. There were a few different 88's, and they aren't clear in my mind.
To me tanks - and particularly the Tiger - are the modern equivalent of the Medieval knight. It's a suit of armor after all, on tracks instead of a horse. It holds a lance - the cannon - as main weapon (it even has a vamplate!). Machine guns are the secondary weaponry, that is, the sword and dagger. Maybe some of you will share this view.
I really like that Munster is going for a more wholistic approach or showing the big picture of a tank. One thing I've noticed is people often only talk about armor penetration and ignore high explosive and smoke, etc, performance. Another is the weird 1v1 comparison. Warfare doesn't work like that so making a 1v1 comparison makes no sense. A side by side is fine obviously but a dual is the exception, not the norm.
It's odd hearing Germans giving reasons for why allied soldiers would mistake another Panzer for a Tiger. Quite refreshing to hear those who aren't complete fanboys of the German war machine!
As a modern tanker i use an empty gatorade bottle or water bottle. When in motion there is really not time to pee and you just dont think about it. however there are many times where you will be stopped with the vehicle running and you will be unable to get out of the tank to pee. those are the times where you will use a bottle.
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My greatest admiration goes to the presenters. It must be hugely difficult for two native German-speakers to communicate in English - and still retain the colloquial sense of what they're saying (in a foreign language). Hats off to both of you!
100%
I know three languages just enough for travel (Spanish, French, Japanese), as in never ask where something is because I won't understand "past the school, turn left at the barber shop"; instead, point and ask if it is in that direction. The hardest part for me is the vocabulary and the finer points of grammar, yet these guys miss only one word out of 100, tops, and even then, the meaning is easily understood. It is amazing how nuanced their English is.
When you're the gunner of a tiger tank, looking at your targets through the optics. Are you then watching them all with the eeeeeeeeye of the tiger?
LOL
Maybe, but that is one dead target.
Seven Proxies *tigOr
Seven Proxies lol
Oh fuck
MUUUUUM! The strange bearded man won’t get off the division designer.
What's the proper template for the division ? I suggest 5 regiments of 5 battalions each. Each battalion having an oval on the symbol obviously, but also a dot in the middle, because...
(Self-propelled) ARTILLERY ONLY !!!
@@KenshiroPlayDotA nononono anti air only
"combined topics warfare" is the most German thing I've ever heard.
On a more serious note, teaching people by literally showing how many supplies you'd need etc. is a great way to bring across that it is indeed not just about the armor thickness and the guns.
Think logistics is the biggest underestimated/unappreciated/unknown people have, even if we are aware of it. Like i know 'an army marches on its stomach' and problems with supply lines, maintenance manufacturing, specific parts, sourcing of meterial (rubber,aluminium etc), etc etc, yet i have no idea about how much fuckery & magic is required to get it all to work. I cant picture how many trucks per tank, how much food to feed battalions
@@fredfinks I always thought a good idea to show the different fighting men what it takes to get them to war would be to show them a sheet of paper that says per fighting man hour, how many man hours for each different piece of the puzzle would be used.
I had a lot of friends that were infantry and they always said bad things about logistics. I always responded by telling them "who got you your food, water and bullets?".
Some of them get it, some of them do not.
Almost peed myself with the “Summoning the Chieftain” bit when Herr Raths points to the clevis!!
Actually I didn't get that - what does that mean?
@@sbreheny look up inside the chieftains hatch here on youtube. You are in for a treat.
@@sbreheny The Cheiftain is a youtuber, a historian and ex-US army tanker who works for the Company that makes World of Tanks, and makes videos about tanks where he climbs around, over and inside them, where he often points out things like tow hooks, brackets for the crew kit, how to tension the tracks, and other "operator" type things that are often left out of many videos. he looks at the tanks form the "crewman's" perspective, with a emphasis on things like how easy it is to use, how difficult the maintenance is, and so on.
the celvis is the sort of thing he'd point out and explain that many people doing videos on tanks would gloss over.
Extra humour is that the Clevis is the bit that you hook into with a towing cable. The Chieftan tank was notorious for breaking down and needing a tow. Best tank in NATO if it broke down in the right place of course.
Over-estimating enemy targets is common in all environments. In the Pacific, it was common for aircraft pilots and crew to report enemy cruisers as battleships, or transports as destroyers, even on clear days while not engaged with the enemy. Add some ground cover, smoke, and tiny vision slits, while the enemy firing at you, and it's easy to "see" what you most fear.
Idea for the museum, practisch rounds (same weight as real ones but inurt) and a breach to load them in, in an area marked the same space as the real turret, so they can feel how it is
and like a loose cupola, with video screens in stead of periscopes, showing a short film of what you might see on a battle field, and then ask did you see, this or that guy. so you realy can get the feel of blindness, and maybe multiple displays with old/modern technolegy to see the evolution. could be like a guy crawling to your tank and then climbing on it, to show why you need combined arms and not just tank can do it all.
I would love the loading, but some people are so damn poor at coordinating their limbs and someone would probably get hurt. The other part of the comment also sounds cool and probably wouldn't be so expensive to make with some multi position speakers and VR. Good ideas!
that would be a good simulator experience
@@wrakowic You could probably attach a rope to each end, or at least the butt end, to prevent dropping it. Even if the weight is suspended and visitors don't have to actually lift it, they can still feel the mass. The front rope could run through the practice breech.
Was für ein toller, locker Beitrag mit zwei bestens aufgestellten Protagonisten, sehr schön👍
Kinda makes you wish you could cordon off the filming area. Regardless, excellent video and I'm adding the mueseum to my bucket list. :)
5:22 "Next time I'll bring barbed wire" :)
There's a well known phenomenon in psychology that is somewhat at odds with what a lot of people think of as psychologically desirable. Namely, that most people actually tend to perceive encountering something they're unsure of, or that might be threatening, as a real threat, while a relative minority don't. So, imagine you're walking through some woods and you see a shape, or something move, most people have a tendency to assume it's a threat, and say, run away, or at least feel spooked. A minority of people don't assume or consider it to be a threat until they've confirmed it really is. Now, the latter response seems like the cooler and more level headed approach but consider the outcome for each approach. If it's nothing and you run away, oh well, you look silly but it doesn't cost you anything meaningful. If it is a threat and you don't react, well, you might die. I suspect with the common "it was a TIGER TANK" reaction amongst allied soldiers a similar thing was going on, being on high alert and assuming something is the greater threat is the better survival strategy, assuming things that might be tanks aren't, or that it's a less threatening tank, while it seems cooler, is probably more likely to get you killed.
Also it should be noted that a lot of the times they were actually Panzer IV Hs being mistaken for tigers because of the boxy outline of the skirt armor
In a military context this is more complicated when considering that often units took most of the battle casualties while running away (enemy is no longer concerned of own security and can focus on shooting, you might have to pass bad terrain for the escape e.g. an upward slope).
I agree that avoiding combat would usually improve your chances of survival though, but once your into combat getting spooked or panicking endangers yourself and everyone around you!
@@stuglife5514 absolutely, and if you were a Sherman crew it would be understandable that you'd think "Tiger!" And not sit around trying to figure out if it was a Tiger or later model panzer IV with a long gun. I mean, either way it can put a round through your front glacis so it's not like it was a terribly important distinction.
@@blorblor5438 those are some very good points and it's where a lot of our psychology and intuition runs counter to what works in combat, which is why I guess so much effort is put into training soldiers to not do what a lot of their instincts tell them. That said, I guess assuming there's a threat is probably still a better choice than assuming there isn't even if you have a trained response; like in the case if thinking you see a Tiger 1 rather than a late model Panzer IV shooting it a bunch is a good idea either way, and maybe call in an air strike if it's an option, I mean if it turns out it was a Panzer IV, who cares? You're alive. If it turns out it really was a Tiger 1, hooray, you just got a Tiger 1 killed.
@@wh8787 Exactly, at the end of the day it didn’t matter to those tankers, as a 7.5cm and an 8.8cm can equally fuck your day up. Unless you were lucky enough to get the later boxy style Sherman hills like the E4s, and the E8s, as they were proven to be quite capable of stoping 7.5cm shells from the front, but even then American tanks didn’t come across German armor very often, much less actual German battle tanks. Most engagements American tanks took place in was mostly against infantry, and even when they saw “armor” it was usually SPGs and such
Great video Bernhard, lovely to see you and mr Raths busting more tanks and bringing forward facts.
Hoping to get to meet you at Militracks this year.
I love seeing people nerd out over something that fascinates them. It warms my heart. Thank you for being you. Both of you.
Better to assume it's a Tiger and be wrong then the other way around
Might not be the best decision if you miss a great opportunity to destroy the enemy
I think one should try to avoid being overly optimistic or pessimistic. The best thing is to be realist.
Understandable, since Panzer IV and Tiger I both can be described as "blocky hull and turret with long gun and muzzle brake.
@@Pilotmario Come to think of it all german tanks can be described that way
@@tigara1290 because the pz. 1 has one long gun. with a muzzle brake.
Love these guys and thank you so much for doing it in English it’s much appreciated
One of the best "short form" military history channels on RUclips. Myself not being a soldier, and almost all of my history reading on the politics and "Grand Strategy" aspects of war. It's a good way to teach "combined topics education".
Very impressed by the person of Ralf RATHS !
He's so energetic and sparkling, what an attediude - very positive. Plus the knowledge that he shared is impressive.
Not often museums have such young, energetic and passionate directors.
Congrats - a very good promotion for the Panzermuseum Munster.
I have visited the museum it is really good, but with the renovations it will hopefully be fantastic.
@Paulo Mendes Germany's modus operandi with the internet is pretty antiquated.
@@Sofus. ; It is getting even worse.
3 minutes in and 200 views. Pretty impressive for an educational channel.
Are you kidding me!! Its because theres a badass king tiger in the back 😍😍😍😍
TANKS
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michael howell 7k in 3 hours lol
Fantastic gentlemen. Thank you for your efforts. Cheers from Canada
Firing on the move was early, hItting on the move came later.
Well this museum just made my bucket list! The curator is excellent and very knowledgeable.
It's my boy Ralf Raths!!!! Always a pleasure to listen to him, and of course you as well Visualized. Lol good to I'm not the only one who know Fury was shit.........
Fury was waste of hard drive space.
@@TheFlatlander440 sure was.
A really wonderful video which explains life of a tank inside a metal monster.
I have always loved, objective, un-emotional discourse. Thank you, Ralf and MVH for this video - puts so many things in perspective.
- An ex-Army brat who still remembers his ride in a medium tank so many years ago.
Thank you, points I have not considered, mentioned.
One display that would be neat is where one can go inside a tank and see for themselves what the visibility is. This could be a mock up and not a real tank. Then around the tank/mock up one can have things that one tries to see from inside the tank/mock up (say on displays on external flat panel screens located about the tank/mock up), and maybe one can turn that into a game to see who can spot the most the quickest, maybe while having other tasks to do as wel to better simulate what a real tank commander/crew might face..
Thank you for the great interview, thanks to Ralf appreciate the upcoming English videos
I could listen and learn from these gentleman all day. Great tank video.
Great conversation gentlemen.
I subscribed to DasPanzermuseum as soon as you said videos in English. Danke!
So many stories can be told from any one tank. the development of the design, details of it's individual/personal, production, the doctrine, strategy and deployment it was destined for, and finally the people who called it home in the hell of war.
It is funny, my father got me so burned out on WW2, but tank history is something i never seem to tire of.
Curator of The Panzer Museum? Sound just about like my dream job. Great convo guys, thank you.
Exzellentes Video! Macht Lust, das Museum zu besuchen. Auch das vermittelte Wissen (allein von diesem Interview) ist hochinteressant!
Compared to some of the tripe and detritus that passes for educational fare, Military History Visualized is the real deal. Always filled with insights, backed by facts and logical introspection, I always believe that I have benefitted whenever I watch his superb content.
Mr Raths is very knowledgeable, I look forward to the museum’s English language series of videos.
This is literally just two tank nerds geeking out and I love it
I find it interesting how they were able to weld a 15cm and a 10cm plate together without messing up the heat treatment or leaving weak spots in the middle.
Also, I find it amazing that the new leopard has a similar sized cannon as the Maus, but is smaller and reloads so much faster by hand.
@Jimmy De'Souza I know, but it implies several things:
1) if the imparted kinetic energy is similar, then the shell must contain a stronger propellant
2) this results in more wear of the cannon and yet the cannon is much lighter and slimmer, which in turn indicates a far better metallurgy (AFAIK they have two tubes on top of each other rather than one thick tapering barrel).
3) fitting such a powerful cannon in a relatively small turret requires a far more effective recoil dampener.
Also the Jagdtiger and Maus had a Pak with a two part ammunition system, whereas modern MBTs have only one part to load.
Another important aspect is that a APHECBC shell or similar weights a lot more than an APFSDS, even when both have the same powderload behind it.
Similarly a HESH, or HEAT-FS is still significantly lighter than any full callibre AP-round.
So the tank/war museum director is charismatic, dresses smartly in black, and is an expert on how people react under extreme stress.
Hmmm... Nobody go to his volcano island.
is there a reference that I´m missing?
James Bond villains
No worry's, I assure you Herr Raths is quite harmless. I'm sure Austin Powers will protect you on yours.
Don't forget the German accent
Mr Raths is famous here in the US, thanks to a show called Greatest Tank battles. He is a contributor to the narration of this show, that features high quality computer animations of most of the tank battles of the 20th century. Every tank fanatic and WW2 enthusiast, needs to take a look at this show if you haven't seen it already.
19:00 Alright, aside from Hetzer, Hetzer is perfection, such a low profile, sloped armour, easy production.
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16:50 reminds me one soviet war time photo album I saw. There were a lot of destroyed german self-propelled guns and every one was signed "Ferdinand SPG" or at least "Ferdinand type SPG". Actually there wasn`t any Ferdinand in this album at all.
If I recall correctly, that was something the Soviets did deliberately to encourage soldiers by deliberately confronting the notion that every German SPG was some invincible monster.
@@XanderTuron, some kind of myth. The idea looks odd itself. Understatement in prophaganda usually takes place before war and pays back with low morale of soldiers who see diffirence between picture and reality or rumors. And ferdinand in 1943 is not the case. In fact Red Army issued dozens of brochures and instructions like these:
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Because it`s obvious that reliable information about enemy tanks helps ATG and tank crews to use their equipment effectively and awoid unnessessary loses.
A tank is a Weapons System, deployed as part of a tactical plan. Tanks need maintenance vehicles, motor pools, recovery vehicles, ordnance dumps, and a lot of support in the form of Infantry, Artillery, and Electronic Intelligence gathering/dissemination.
You are correct, however war is based around the Infantry, every other part of a combined arms force no matter what form it takes is there to support the Infantry in the taking and holding of ground through close combat. Tanks cannot achieve every tactical action or effect they are a pretty blunt tool that makes a big hole.
Always great to see more Ralf Raths.
I can't wait to go to Munster and visit! (I'll have to brush up on my German)Thank you for all the great videos MHV. As a fellow gamer and ww2 buff there is so much we agree on and I love the realistic and factual views you take on these topics that are usually filled with grandiose bs. Liebe aus Amerika!
This is how a proper description and evaluation is done on German equipment.
The idea of interactive monitor to show how changes to one thing interacts and changes another is, I think, a great idea.
*Museum ideas:* Have replica mini-sections of tanks and other AFVs for visitor use: padded vision slits with videos of what's seen through tank vision slits, hatches to stick your head thru, cramped gunner seats with example gun fire buttons to try out, movable driver levers with sound effects, suspended turrets to stand under and feel a bit of the claustrophobia, and so on. Most would enjoy just seeing these up close even if they don't try them, and parents will certainly enjoy filming their kids enjoying them.
Hey guys, great discussion, I hope to see a lot more of this style vid. Much love from California!
love this
These videos are always cool to see
Bravo !! Good info !
1:37 Ahahahaha Bernhard I see what you did there
What did Ralf say that made Bernhard rub his hands vigorously?
@@ArghastOfTheAlliance "we sell those"
2:10 - The Allied paratrooper stories from WW2 are mainly due to the Dramamine they were made to take to combat motion sickness. Though there is also some truth in what Herr Raths says. :)
Also, a percentage of people who have had a boost in adrenaline, can suddenly feel faint (or feint!) when the event is over. This is due to the body flushing *too much* adrenaline, which also regulates blood pressure in the brain. This combined with the dramamine might have pushed a lot of them into a sleep (maybe after passing out?) ;)
I went through US Army Airborne School and before making my third training jump, I really needed to "void a bowel movement," but was stuck in a C-141 aircraft. During the jump, I became completely entangled with another parachutist-in-training. We both deployed our reserve parachutes and landed safely with one main parachute and both reserve parachutes fully deployed. My main parachute had collapsed from all the wrapping of riser lines. Believe it or not, I still had to "void a bowel movement" and it was the first thing I took care of once I got over to the bleachers area, before riding the bus back into Georgia. (The landing zone was in Alabama.)
Antihistamines make you tired not knock you out cold.
That's can't be quite correct because Dramamine came out in 1949. Even diphenhydramine/Benadryl which is its main ingredient was only introduced in 1946.
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The Band of Brothers interviews and other sources confirm that some paratroopers fell asleep after landing. This was blamed on air sickness meds. Maybe the US military got early Dramamine before it was thoroughly researched and perhaps the dosage was too high for these thin almost underweight paratroopers. I've seen interview where a former 101 trooper said that due to his extreme fitness and low body weight, he could get drunk on one beer. A lot of these guys weighed 120-130 lbs.
i loved this video so much, thank you and Ralf alot for this!
16:48
*someone sees an ISU*
*points at it*
"T-34!"
Everything else is a Tiger
@@Felsmukk the struggle is real. Ever see the size comparison of a King Tiger round and a Sherman round? And the many photos of Shermans 'brewed' on the battlefields.
Great video, great material. Thank you!
A point about sleeping paratroopers. American paratroopers received pills against height/fly sickness that made them sleepy also.
I always like listening to Mr Raths perspective.
These collaboration videos are just fantastic. The modern German perspective puts a really nice spin on the stories and the level of knowledge is unbeatable.
Amazing video. Thanks. Also love the jacket
A very good reason to visit Munster!
This is great episode! And yes people underestimate human factor.
Note to self: plan to vacation in Munster in 5 or 6 years. ;)
Archangelm127 note to self: try not shit myself when I visit there
@@Dreinsel And remember Munster and not Münster you would not be the first one :)
JonKess I actually went to the right place already in July, very fruitful
Good on the Bundestag to finance the museum! I must pay a visit once it's done!
Heating in there! Oh god yes! I remember it being so darn cold in there. They rly have an amazing collection in there, new and old pieces alike.
I saw the film made by "The Chieftain", from this Museum, and he also made remarks about the shift to the other, back area, which is probably missed by some guests? We didn't! But I would like to come back, eventually also for the new and coming Museum! And, as a long distance walker in Belgium for many years, I have also missed the actual: Tiger 2, which still stand in La Glieze, in Belgium, with its small museum, close to the place where it ran out of fuel during the offensive!
Sorry! La Gleize!! Finn
I was on a long road march in Germany . I was the TC but let the Driver take a break , moved the Gunner to the TC spot . As we drove ,i had to pee .What we used was our canteen cups that we never used . It was normal for 1 of your crew to sleep on road marchs . What people do not understand on tank someone always has to be awake . The crews sleep when they can . Sometimes you may not sleep for days . Your bed is your tank , Very one has his spot were they like to sleep . We live eat , sleep , pee ,shit and wash ourselves on the tank .
One of the things I don't miss about being a treadhead is banging my head on the bits of metal that didn't seem to any purpose other than to bang my head into.
Adding Munster tank museum to my bucket list.
Your sleeping paratrooper story is recalled in Band of brothers.
You may be interested to know that Private Blythe who falls asleep on landing in Band of Brothers did not die of wounds in Normandy. He stayed in the paratroops after the war and became a senior NCO. You can look up his story online.
It would be interesting to know how many Panzer men joined the Bundeswehr after the war. I know some famous senior officers did.
Damn, I really want to visit this place once it's finished renovating. They've clearly got a lot of great ideas and a huge appreciation for their craft (and history).
Always nailing it!
I have visited this Museum not so long time ago, and they haven't actually got a Tiger 1, only a life size model made from Fiberglas! But it still looks mean!
yeah, the Plastiger
Maybe Ralf would know the answer to this question.
When the 7,5 cm KwK 40 (and StuK 40) first came out there was a shortage of AP ammunition for it.
At any time did the Germans substitute the K. Gr. rot Pz. (shell of short KwK 37) for the Pzgr. 39 projectile on the longer KwK 40 round as a stop gap?
And what was the "Ullrich" program?
Just when you thought you know too much about panzerkampfwagens, you cross with Ralf Rath and realize you know nothing... I feel like Jhon Snow every time i see this guy... That's why i love him!
We all have our specialities of intellect. For example me and my best friend both study German tanks. But differently. I study how they were practically used on the battlefield and doctrine, while my buddy is more into the mechanical side. Of course I know a lot about their mechichs and he knows a lot about doctrine, but you see what im getting at? Don’t discredit yourself my friend!
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LMAOOO I love how you said "the hetzer's gonna hetz", I died ahahhahaha
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Boy I'd love to visit the museum once it's renovated. Maybe someday!
I also tend to avoid memoirs in general, but some are absolutely worthwhile.
My favorite example is U.S. Grant.
Hermann Balck's are great too.
Part of the Tiger myth is that Pz III, IV, AND VI all have very similar (familial) silhouettes.
Maybe the Pz. III and Pz. IV
Very informative 👍
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Please in the remodelled museum have an awesome gift shop with an extensive range of Radio controlled Tanks and nick knacks
It sure what's more impressive, the tank or the shells.
There is in most tanks an escape hatch on the floor, which can also be used for various body functions aswell
Just a tip Heer Director needs to take a trip around the world looking at how other museums have their layouts a must visit is the Waiouru Army Museum in New Zealand 🇳🇿 will give him invaluable information on how other museums work
You're using a German word 7:42 which I had to look up, "technik" which is "technology" in English. It sounds almost like English "technique" which has a different meaning.
yeah, it is even more tricky "Technik" can mean both "technology" or "technique" depending on the context. So some German speakers might say technology when they mean technique or think you mean technology when you say technique.
Sounds very promising!
ya ya (peeing in shell) AASRGH SH8T THE SHELL IS STILL HOT!!
"dammit Wilhelm what's with the smell? you boiling pee in that shell or smth'?!"
Thomas Chow New type of round Hans! It’s called ze 88mm P.I.S.S, it can penetrate a battleship!
I would love to visit!
MHV, I wish you would do a 10 minute talk on the technical differences between the Tiger I 88mm, Soviet advances in armor which lead to the bigger TigerII 88mm and also comparative mention of the 88mm flak guns in anti armor roles.
There were a few different 88's, and they aren't clear in my mind.
To me tanks - and particularly the Tiger - are the modern equivalent of the Medieval knight. It's a suit of armor after all, on tracks instead of a horse. It holds a lance - the cannon - as main weapon (it even has a vamplate!). Machine guns are the secondary weaponry, that is, the sword and dagger. Maybe some of you will share this view.
Wow ive never thought of it that way. But youre right.
Everyone loves the Tiger because it was a really cool heavy tank.
The word Hetzer has apparently been found in documentation, not as a name of that tank (G13) but more to apply to a class of tank.
I can smell the efficiency of the museum's future renovations in the air.
I really like that Munster is going for a more wholistic approach or showing the big picture of a tank.
One thing I've noticed is people often only talk about armor penetration and ignore high explosive and smoke, etc, performance.
Another is the weird 1v1 comparison. Warfare doesn't work like that so making a 1v1 comparison makes no sense. A side by side is fine obviously but a dual is the exception, not the norm.
It's odd hearing Germans giving reasons for why allied soldiers would mistake another Panzer for a Tiger.
Quite refreshing to hear those who aren't complete fanboys of the German war machine!
doing wrong identification of military equipement in war games is called "The Jingles effect" :D
As a modern tanker i use an empty gatorade bottle or water bottle. When in motion there is really not time to pee and you just dont think about it. however there are many times where you will be stopped with the vehicle running and you will be unable to get out of the tank to pee. those are the times where you will use a bottle.
Panzergrenadiers by late 1944 were sometimes Luftwaffe extras with incomplete training.
quite a good video i do actually wanna go to this place