I think he is more talented than Brady but he has actually go out perform. If he wins another championship, that maybe puts him ahead of Dan Marino. He needs another 10 or so years just to start having the conversation with Brady. He isn't in the same universe as Peyton Manning or even Aaron Rodgers at this point.
@@TYLERtheMAGGOT1 if mahomes threepeats, he doesn't have to match brady 7 rings. With 5 or 6 rings and consistency throughout his career, he will be the goat. Threepeating in NFL is the ultimate accomplishment.
When Molly is not there and there is another moderator they never interrupt she is the only one to interrupt Stephen A needs to talk to her or the producers or ESPN somebody needs to talk to her to minimize her talk
Its so frustrating and she's not even trying to get better..They're clearly not getting rid of her. The viewers are going to have to affect the ratings at this point lol
"Tom brady was only the best QB for one year". You have to understand Tom Brady played in a league with a lot of great HOF QBs in their prime. Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Kurt Warner, etc. Also played with various other MVPs like Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and lots of others. I don't think Patrick Mahomes played against that many talented QBs like brady did. And the fact that Brady got 7 superbowls out of 10 against with that many talented Qbs in his time is impressive. Stop the hate
I don’t even agree with that, Brady was most definitely the best player in the league over 5 times, how many MVPs did Brady get, and we all know SB tax is a thing, Brady and Mahomes suffer from it, Lamar and Payton gain from it
Dominque lost me when he said Tom Brady was never the best qb in the nfl… that is the most STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard! That makes zero sense & kinda sounds like haterade. So Tom Brady wasn’t the best in the game in 2007? In 2010, 2014, in 2016, in 2017?? Like come on mann that statement just sounds absolutely ridiculous.
I mean you can say that about anybody sir. I can say Mahomes wasn’t the best during the actual season either, Lamar, Josh Allen were all better than Mahomes last year & this year. Jared Goff is better than Mahomes this year. And there were plenty of of years Brady was the best from start to finish such as 2007, 2010, 2016, & 2017.
He’s actually spot on from the numbers and stats something that doesn’t lie so it’s always been Peyton, drew Brees, Aaron rodgers, and Philip rivers get out of your feelings these are professionals using logic you are nobody using only emotions to dictate reality 🤣🤣
why the cast acting like they forgot how nasty Brady was.. & at that Brady was the most clutch player in the league. He was the most feared because when Brady had the ball you know it was over. Also let’s not forget how he won those chips either, yeah he had great defenses but when it came to finishing it off you knew he wasn’t the guy you wanted to face as an opponent, everyone knew that. Brady was really an assassin. I really hate how people forget easy, nah. Brady is unbeaten against Mahomes as well & he beat him in the SB 31-9. The disrespect smh.
Exactly 💯 they love doing that to discredit the greats. Just like what they did to kobe. The same analyst that used to call him the best player in the league all ended up changing the narrative and saying he was never the best.
@@BrianThomas-m5g bill russel is also overated asf especially if u check all his stats and metrics also he played in a prehistoric era vs bums nobody thinks bill russel is even top 5 just like nobody thinks lebron is the best scorer ever even tho he has the most points
@normevans934 Yes but Brady beat mahomes in the playoffs and in the superbowl. Can't say someone is better when they have more rings and a winning record against them
It’s a dumb debate anyway bc both teams were nothing alike Chiefs are offense HC, Pats were Defense HC Reid never beat Belichick in the playoffs either
Didn't know Molly was part of the conversation and not just the moderator....you literally have ex NFL players in the convo!!! Why does she keep interrupting.?? Joy, Jenny or even Shae were never this inappropriate, FOH!!
@@davis2k1234 I picked the Chiefs too, but I knew Mahomes would struggle because of the O Line. Even with how it played out, I gave Mahomes grace because of the O Line. No QB will be great with no O Line
@@jctslice I agree but just giving context that everyone on the panel is long time known Brady hater that wanted to crown Mahomes GOAT before that Super Bowl but the real GOAT had to show em
I feel like the most simplest thing to think about is Jordan Never played Lebron and vice versa so its always an open ended discussion. Mahomes lost to Brady in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl and Brady did it with 2 different teams at that
They may actually have to fire Molly… she kept interrupting everyone.. what show operates like that.. she makes the convo murky.. she needs to stop interrupting and moderate.. the show isn’t only about YOU
Genuinely impressive how quick they’ve always been to give Mahomes the goat label, the guy who has it beat him in the playoffs twice in his 40’s mind you and one of those was for a Super Bowl
No it didn’t, only casuals and people with an IQ under 20 try and use that when it’s already logically debunked, you’re using an argument that has already been put in the casket.
Man as a massive Mahomes fan and Brady hater, the one argument Brady will ALWAYS have is that he beat him twice. I get it's a team sport but Brady beat him twice for 2 championships.
Even as a chiefs fan I still don’t give goat over Brady if he 3 peats. He needs 5 total at least and the 3 peat to pass Brady, he’s gonna need to pass him in some major stats categories as well.
Mahomes has no real competition. There’s no debate he’s the best QB right now. When Brady was playing, you had doubts on the best with scary players like Brees Manning Rodgers.
@@UndeadSkater16 you make a good point. But I also emphasize scary on the other side of the ball. Like let's just take Tom Brady in the early 2000's if he didn't get the ball out in 3 Seconds he had to worry about Ray Lewis drilling him when anything less the a headshot was completely legal. Lawrence Taylor the steel curtain in a much more physical league. Give Steve Young time in the pocket protect Montana let Mahomes get hit the way they did this a completely different discussion. Tom Brady visited Revis Island twice a year for a stretch. Tom Brady saw the like of Brian Dawkins, ed Reed and Troy and they were physical and got after the QB so for Tom fo what he did with the QB competition and the pressure from a defense like the ravens speaks volumes Mahomes is doing what he needs to do now but the game and deserve his recognition but he is in a league less physical and offers the quarterback more protection. Many times Joe Montana had a fraction of the time Mahomes has with Lawrence Taylor in his face
My biggest problem with molly isn't even that she interrupts all the time. Its that she doesn't say anything that intrigues you or add to the conversation. She just be trying to give a take with no real thought just to be involved. I wish they just give her a podcast so she can get all her takes out
@@BarryMilburnJr to ever play is a stretch. The thing is when you say someone is the greatest of all time all factors have to be considered. Factors like Patrick Mahomes has way more time in the pocket to get the ball off because in today's football the quarterback is protected. Whereas when Joe Montana played he had to put up numbers with Lawrence Taylor being able to hit him and no flags being thrown. Even in Tom Brady's early career he dealt with Ray Lewis. Montana truly had to earn it. Put Montana in today's league when the Quarterback is protected his numbers skyrocket Put Mahomes in that era where he's allow to get blasted by Lawrence Taylor he doesn't do as well as he does today. And I know we don't live on what ifs but that's why you can't compare Mahomes to Montana or Steve Young or Dan Marino. They played in a time where everything but a head shot was legal Today's quarterbacks have way more time in the pocket....and that's the real thing that's not even an argument Mahomes may be the greatest in the last 10 years when the rules started giving him more time to make a play but nobody plays the same under pressure even Tom Brady numbers were not the same when Ray Lewis came at him The level of physicality is different. It's like taking a wrestler from the PG era and comparing him to someone from the attitude era. And this is no hate to Mahomes he is talented and he is doing what he supposed to do in this league....but it's a different league could he perform like this against the steel curtain or the 2000 ravens defense
The show is filmed in NY, south street seaport. Shannon lives in LA and films his podcast and show out there. You don't need to be in studio. SAS lives in Connecticut.
Mahomes has always had a track team for Wide Receivers and an all time great tight end named Travis……while Tom Brady had pretty good wide receivers and going through Players like Payton Manning, Phillip Rivers , Big Ben, Joe Flacco, Drew Brees, Donovan McNabb and the list goes on…..Brady path was way more difficult and still came out on top
lol well first of all TB had Gronk for 3 of his rings and the best defence in the leage fo another 2... and then there was 2001 so dw Brady got A LOT of help. Dude won a SB scoring 13 points... And you lost me at Rivers... bruh... Flacco? Josh Allen, Lamar, Burrow are right up there with any of those guys minus maybe Peyton. Pat has only lost to Tom and Burrow. Tom lost to Eli, Foles, Sanchez, Tannehill, Plummer....
@@timocruz510Mahomes played with the better receivers at this point in their careers and with more all pros. His era had the tougher teams and tougher at the qb spot. I understood his point well..
@@takerfan4ever Cool and that's why his numbers are wayyyy better than Brady's in his first 7 years lol But even compare Brady post 2007 when he basically always had great WR/TE talent (minus 2019) and Pat's numbers are still better
@@takerfan4ever lol 2011 was the most pass happy year of all time. "Toughest era," please. Honestly the defences in the modern 2024 NFL more versatile and freakish than ever and most offences are affected by it
@@timocruz510 yes, that's why his numbers WERE way better.. that's not rocket science. Add that with the fact he was surrounded by more all pros than Brady. Plus, its just a stupid comparison when you're trying to single out portions of their career. One was on an offensive team, with some amazing offensive weapons.. the other defensive. Two totally different situations. and you are exaggerating a bit. Post 2007 for Brady, they were pretty much on par with each other. And I'm not talking on 2011.. I'm talking previous to that. 2011 was right around the time the league was becoming quarterback oriented. When defenses for the most part decided games.. where you can be absolutely rocked and not get a roughing the passer in your favor. Lol, you're just reaching at this point. All in all, that's why it's career vs career.. it's not complicated. Brady is head and shoulders above everyone. So far ahead people are trying to lower the goal post for the next guy. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. So until further notice..
@ Eli has never been considered the GOAT, and I would respect this example more had you used the two people in comparison. But all be it try to pull something out of left field I can’t blame you
@@kingjmike2027 The point is just because you beat a QB in the Superbowl does not mean you are better than that QB. That only means your team was better than his team that day. By your logic if Brady played Mahomes in 10 straight Superbowls Brady would win all 10. Since he is undefeated vs Mahomes and all right? Wrong. I would go as far as saying Mahomes would win 6 out of 10. If not more.
@@kingjmike2027 You are getting defensive because I am basically asking "What is the point of your comment?". It didn't make my day but it sure seems like it ruined yours. I apologize.
Mahomes is the greatest talent we’ve ever laid eyes on.. his resume and work speaks for itself.. we’re taking him for granted the same way we do LeBron smh
@holywarrior9734 soccer is no longer as competitive as it once was . Case in point I think it was impossible to win 2 champions league cups in a row in the early 2000s.
@takerfan4ever first of all these media guys say winning 5 or more for mahomes like it's so easy. I actually think NFL Superbowl is harder now than ever becoz its impossible to keep together a team now than ever
I liked the other moderator Shay better instead of Molly . Conversation flowed more smoother & when she spoke it had substance to it molly just wanna give her input when nobody cares
The narrative of the patriots defense carrying Brady through the first few years in the NFL is not fully true. In the patriots 2nd super bowl, Brady threw for 350 + yds, 3 tds, 1 int, in a shootout vs the Panthers who had two legit #1 receivers with Steve Smith and Muhammad. . He also led the league in passing tds his 2nd year starting, and he led the league in passing yds a year or two before Moss got there. Yes the patriots had a top tier defense but after Bradys 1st year playing, he became a legit top qb in the league. These guys are knowledgeable enough to have this discussion
5 rings at minimum is what it’s gonna take for me to entertain the convo. 3-peat is all time stuff duh he’s already 2nd best ever imo. But it’s hard for me to say even with a 3-peat he would be the goat when that’s still 3 less rings than Brady, 5 less SB appearances, much less cumulative stats, not to mention 0-2 in the playoffs vs Brady in the 2 biggest stages possible.
In defense of losing to Brady, it’s not like they’re on the field at the same time. It’s a lot of factors like the capability of their respective defenses and o-lines, not to mention the ability of the receivers, which in kcs case against Tom in the buccaneer era was a joke right up there with their garbage o-line. The defense also wasn’t enough to break through Tom’s o-line. That, plus the OT rules at the time, kind of sealed him. I could also just be biased as a giants fan
Pat was drafted in the best situation. He had the Legion of Zoom, Kelce, & Hunt. KC defense is elite & AFC west is weak. I think he needs to win with another team or with less.
If they’re playing like this in the season which is average can you imagine how they’re going to play once postseason starts especially Kelce who’s having a bad year it’s over for everyone
Ridiculous of Foxworth to say Brady was never the best QB in the league at any point. There were multiple seasons when he clearly was, without argument. Also ridiculous of Saturday to use Lamar possibly getting 3 MVP's as an argument against Mahomes when Peyton Manning was winning 5 himself in front of Brady as a comparison (I guess Rodgers with 4, too).
I’m a huge Patrick fan but to say he’s the goat even if he 3 peats is insane. Dude still has an entire career ahead of him. This is insane to even be considering at this point. Tom Brady’s body of work was incredible and some are saying he wasn’t the most talented in the regular season ever. Tom went to Tampa after everybody said bill was the reason and dude ended up winning again to let yall know he was that guy and guess who he beat also!? Patty Mahomes!!!!! I could make this longer but I will say this. Tom was magic and his career was legendary. He is one of a kind and my goat. I’m the biggest mahomes fan but let’s revisit this when it’s all said and done. Yall tried to say Aron Rogers was better and look at him now. He’s slightly above average. Nuff said!
ESPN is salivating at the mouth knowing that they beat the LeBron James versus Michael Jordan debate to death. Now they get to do it with Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady for the next decade. Strap in for the ride everybody! 😭
Fox is right. We always questioned is Brees, Manning, Big Ben better than Brady. That question lasted until Brady won his 5th because of the way he came back against Atlanta and breaking the Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana tie for most rings ever as a QB. We haven’t questioned is Mahomes the best whatsoever since he’s started
Difference is we questioned Brady because he won early with subpar offenses. Fox was wrong saying that Brady started on a solid team in 2001. The patriots were 5-11 in 2000 with a 3xPB QB that was just given the highest contract in NFL history. In 2001 before Bledsoe was hurt, they were 0-2 and were ranked the 32nd (worst) team in the league by most NFL analysts. Their defense was solid, but Bledsoe was a mess in that offense and their best receiving threat was Troy Brown (a 2 way player). Meanwhile, Mahomes started on a team that was playoff ready (13-3 in 2017) and had 2 HOF receiving threats in Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce along with one of the greatest offensive minds in Andy Reid. Everyone punishing Brady for winning with subpar offensive talent for his first 6 years of his career and yet simultaneously praising Mahomes for doing the same thing simply because the way they succeeded has been reversed. Mahomes high flying early to dink and dunk as of late vs Brady was the opposite.
Mahomes being a first round pick, on a playoff team with great coach right off the bat, and having a defense carry him Vs Brady a 6th round pick who genuinely had to work for what he had and then held it down for two decades and even beat Mahomes in the Super Bowl should end this debate. It’s not going to because a lot of yall didn’t watch Brady growing up. I appreciate both players but it’s Brady.
If the Chiefs can go undefeated and complete the three-peat this year, it would put Mahomes tied with Brady as the GOAT, with the remaining of his career to surpass it. Doing the two things that Brady haven't done would negate/offset Brady beating Mahomes in the AFC Championship and SuperBowl argument.
Why yall bring up that Super Bowl lol Tom lost to Eli 2x and nick foles if you put it like that. It’s not like Tom and mahomes matched up over and over again. No one cares about that Super Bowl because Tom didn’t just out right out play mahomes his all the starters on the offensive line was out.
@@zachmcnerney409 every time they faced off in the big game Tom beat him. Mahomes teams were younger and more explosive. Are you actually arguing Tom isn’t the greatest of all time?
IT IS UNREAL HOW MOLLY INTERRUPTS. At the 6 minute mark, Stephen A was making a great point and she literally cut off the entire point of his monologue. MODERATE and stop interrupting dude...sheesh.
I think Mahomes getting a 3 peat is just as impressive as Brady's 28-3 comeback in the Super Bowl. So while a 3 peat is historic, it's actually pretty idiotic to crown Mahomes the GOAT before he's even 30. This is a conversation to have when Mahomes is retired so we can actually compare resumes instead of guessing what it'll be.
Terrible comparison lol brady was great individually just like mj was and not to mention half of america probably couldn't name 2 receivers on the patriots when brady won his 1st 3 rings without googling it
Mahomes only had five elite seasons and four of those fives were with tyreek hill. Brady had one elite receiver in his career for about two seasons and Gronk who got injured in tons of games. Y’all keep talking though. By the way, Brady peaked at the end of the 2003 season. If that didn’t happen, no back to back Super Bowls.
@@user-lv9cuYou still clinging to that dumb narrative😂 Packers are better without Arod then they were with him and those Colts and Broncos teams were far better rosters then trash Brady had to carry outside of Moss for 2 seasons.
@@user-lv9cu dawg Brady won with mf Chris hogan and Julian Edlenut and gronk got hurt a few times and he stilllllllllllllllll showed up better than Peyton and Aaron
So tired of people pushing the finish line back. If Mahomes has done what he’s done back then before a Brady, everybody would say Mahomes is the great and I’m not even talkin bout the 7 rings
After Jordan won his first 3 rings, a 3peat by the way, he was called the best ever. Over Russell's 11, over Kareem's 6, and over Magic's 5. And they were right. If Mahomes 3peats he will be put ahead of Brady's 7. And in the end they will be right. Just like they were with Jordan.
Last time I checked Jordan threepeating twice is why he is the goat and he was finals MVP every single time and he never even played a game seven. Listen if he wins three in a row and goes undefeated, he is a notch under Tom. But if he wins one more Super Bowl after that and two more MVPs or Lord forbid Super Bowls the man is definitely better than Tom. No one is Tom Brady. But equally said no one is Patrick Mahomes. That could be said of anybody, but I'm talking about greatness.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Mahomes will never be the GOAT but I love the fact ya'll are desperate enough to even suggest something this stupid. Ratings must be bad.
i think im in an alternative dimension, i just watched a video where they said in the first minute that tom brady has never been the best qb in the league in his 20 years career.
If he gets to 5 and has those other accolades the conversation becomes legit. But for me I say six because Tom played the first half of his career in a more competitive era.
No what mahomes does he can get 10 rings hes never beaten the true GOAT head to head… you couldn’t beat the man you cant ever be the man! Brady the GOAT FOREVER!
@ u see how dumb u sound Nobody has Eli in any discussion of being a GOAT if u wanna put mahomes in this discussion he can never be a part of it because hes never beat the true GOAT… Eli isnt in mahomes league when it comes to accomplishments and mahomes has more rings then him… Eli isnt even close on anyone’s GOAT talk FOH
@@meyao8987 But you just said that since Brady beat mahomes twice in the playoffs, that makes him forever better. But when I bring up Brady being 0-2 vs Eli, you say it’s a team game. You use “qb vs qb head to head” to push your narratives. And then when it goes against Brady it’s not a head to head it’s a team game
Can Andy Reid get a lot more love? Mahomes isn't winning anything without Reid's coaching. Don't get me wrong, Mahomes is a great QB, but having the best coach in the league by far certainly helps to win games they should have lost.
Here’s some context for Brady. His 6 rings with the Patriots all came with a game winning 4th quarter/ overtime drive. The only athlete that you can argue is that clutch would be Tiger Woods
@@tjislost forgot that Nick Foles beat Brady too 😅 it’s more than just QB beats other QB… they treat it like it’s a basketball matchup when they never face each other on the field at once 😂
Brady owns nothing. LMFAOO Mahomes out played brady in that AFC Championship game and lost because Dee Ford went offsides. And Brady was carried by his defense in that Super Bowl. Bro only threw for 201 passing yards.😂😂 Mahomes>>Brady
@@rustyshackelford3109terrible point because context matters. Looking at all the accolades and accomplishments, then we look at head to head. Eli is barely in the HOF discussion so the head to head doesnt mean anything
Tom Brady was never the best quarterback until it mattered the most which was the playoffs and the Super Bowl he seven and three in the Super Bowl with six game-winning drives and he blew Mahomes out in one of them
Chiefs fan here. I'm biased, certainly. I think on raw talent, Mahomes is the best to ever do it. I also know that stats are huge part of legacy, and Brady's stats are insane. I love both of them. Entirely different QBs who both know/knew how to win when it mattered most. The fact that it's being debated is good enough for me. Best of all, Tom and Pat seem to love each other's games and company.
@@takerfan4ever Not the fans, the media. They are already doing it and he hasn't 3peated yet. I'm sorry but all you Brady boys are going to get left behind. ✌️
Mahomes only loss in the SB was to Brady. Brady is still the GOAT. Until Mahomes wins at least 6 and 3 peats, then we could have that debate. I can’t believe they all missed that obvious point.
Most people, 25, and under which I am already have Patrick as the goat we say, Tom still got it for now out of respect, but Pat Mahomes already walked him down in eight years
@ not true bc when I was a kid, I distinctively remember going to Super Bowl parties and people would bet against Tom Brady, and at the end of it they would say you can’t bet against Tom Brady bc somehow he kept winning I remember watching him lose to Eli when Eli threw that ball down the sidelines and whoever that guy was made the greatest catch in Super Bowl history. They even said that when it happened on live TV.
@@2KBPoliteDior10TDs 9INTs wow I’ll take Brady’s 1st 7 seasons over Mahomes any day he took over a bad Patriots team with HC who had a losing record Mahomes was drafted to a 12 win team with the best TE/WR combo in NFL history and proven Super Bowl caliber genuis play caller in Andy Reid
@@2KBPoliteDior yeah and you can't even name 2 receivers on that 1st dynasty patriots team without googling it, so yes you def have recency bias claiming he already passed brady, mahomes is great... but objectively he most definitely hasn't surpassed brady
Seriously...can Molly just SHUT UP and let them finish their point before interrupting???
Finally yes definitely no need for a moderator. Molly just a distraction at this point
Please!!
Facts‼️
Nah for real I don’t wanna hear her
She is actually the most knowledgeable on this topic
Daily comment saying they need to get rid of Molly.
I know right. I f hate her
it's been 10 years dawg. allow it and get used to it lmaoooooo
Not happening, she's got dirt on the producers
@@Destination_Euphoria and cum on shirt
Stephen A still doing her.
Plz get Molly outta here
lol. I know right.
OMG MOLLY SHUT UP.
Molly mad cuz she a Brady supporter
GOD I HATE HER SO MUCH. WHY CAN'T THEY FIRE HER?
@@dawens3199 She’s attractive that’s the only reason why she is still there smh but she’s always interrupting it’s annoying
She's almost as bad as Joy Taylor.
@ lmaooooooooo molly definitely more annoying
Brady played at a high level till his 40s, has more rings than anyone with multiple teams. Tom is the guy right now. Let Mahomes finish his career.
Also beat mahomes when it mattered most. These clowns on ESPN need to stop disrespecting Tom Brady
I think he is more talented than Brady but he has actually go out perform. If he wins another championship, that maybe puts him ahead of Dan Marino. He needs another 10 or so years just to start having the conversation with Brady. He isn't in the same universe as Peyton Manning or even Aaron Rodgers at this point.
@@TYLERtheMAGGOT1 if mahomes threepeats, he doesn't have to match brady 7 rings. With 5 or 6 rings and consistency throughout his career, he will be the goat. Threepeating in NFL is the ultimate accomplishment.
Brady is the greatest QB of the statue QB era, but Mahomes is different, he is Efren Reyes different
@@MarkdfadfDan Marino ? What has he accomplished that mahomes hasn’t and he’s better then Arod and Manning
Molly acknowledges, she shouldn’t be talking because she has Super Bowl champions next to her, then proceeds to not shut up the whole segment😅
Had that been anyone else in another profession, they’re fired😂
@@2KBPoliteDior And yet she is the one who is actually right at table ful of Brady haters
U talk about ur wife like that? Or you single
@ you don’t have a profile picture or videos are you single ?
@@2KBPoliteDior yeah that made so much sense
When Molly is not there and there is another moderator they never interrupt she is the only one to interrupt Stephen A needs to talk to her or the producers or ESPN somebody needs to talk to her to minimize her talk
Why does molly speak? You’re there to moderate nobody wants your interruptions and opinions
Its so frustrating and she's not even trying to get better..They're clearly not getting rid of her. The viewers are going to have to affect the ratings at this point lol
@@lamontephillips5092not only that but less comments, whenever she does this, the engagement rate in the comments go 📈📈
I think now I kno why Rose left her 😂
Whoever they had when molly was gone bring her back asap please for the love of god
@jada8047 we All know lol and it's not her job either
"Tom brady was only the best QB for one year". You have to understand Tom Brady played in a league with a lot of great HOF QBs in their prime. Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Kurt Warner, etc. Also played with various other MVPs like Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and lots of others. I don't think Patrick Mahomes played against that many talented QBs like brady did. And the fact that Brady got 7 superbowls out of 10 against with that many talented Qbs in his time is impressive. Stop the hate
Simply put it Mahomes never beat Brady when it mattered most just saying
@NapoleanKelly agreed
I don’t even agree with that, Brady was most definitely the best player in the league over 5 times, how many MVPs did Brady get, and we all know SB tax is a thing, Brady and Mahomes suffer from it, Lamar and Payton gain from it
Dominque lost me when he said Tom Brady was never the best qb in the nfl… that is the most STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard! That makes zero sense & kinda sounds like haterade. So Tom Brady wasn’t the best in the game in 2007? In 2010, 2014, in 2016, in 2017?? Like come on mann that statement just sounds absolutely ridiculous.
No actually during the season no Tom wasn’t always the best
Peyton was better in 14
Just 07. Manning is better, was better. Brady just had the luxury of always having ELITE DEFENSES. You dumb dumbs just give him all the credit
I mean you can say that about anybody sir. I can say Mahomes wasn’t the best during the actual season either, Lamar, Josh Allen were all better than Mahomes last year & this year. Jared Goff is better than Mahomes this year. And there were plenty of of years Brady was the best from start to finish such as 2007, 2010, 2016, & 2017.
He’s actually spot on from the numbers and stats something that doesn’t lie so it’s always been Peyton, drew Brees, Aaron rodgers, and Philip rivers get out of your feelings these are professionals using logic you are nobody using only emotions to dictate reality 🤣🤣
@@johnnybuchananjr9344stats mean nothing what matters is wins and tom brady destroyed patrick multiple occasions incthe playoffs
why the cast acting like they forgot how nasty Brady was.. & at that Brady was the most clutch player in the league. He was the most feared because when Brady had the ball you know it was over. Also let’s not forget how he won those chips either, yeah he had great defenses but when it came to finishing it off you knew he wasn’t the guy you wanted to face as an opponent, everyone knew that. Brady was really an assassin. I really hate how people forget easy, nah. Brady is unbeaten against Mahomes as well & he beat him in the SB 31-9. The disrespect smh.
Because they don’t wanna respect him. They make every excuse for Mahomes but will downplay all that Brady did
Exactly 💯 they love doing that to discredit the greats. Just like what they did to kobe. The same analyst that used to call him the best player in the league all ended up changing the narrative and saying he was never the best.
They must’ve forgot Brady beat Mahomes to get to a Super Bowl, switched conferences and beat him in the Super Bowl 😂😂
That's why Eli is the goat beat Brady twice 2-1
Fr to be the goat gotta beat the goat
Nick Foles is the goat
So Eli and Nick Foles over Brady all time? My Goats fr 💪🏽💀
@@chill_onpark9492i love Eli and Foles too 😂
It’s so funny to see people still hating on Brady 😂
Eli should get more credit beat Brady twice
It's so funny how people are ignoring the fact that Mahomes has 11 Tds and 9 Ints through 8 weeks
@ when your the back to back champ and undefeated that's ok lol
@@BossMan-vl5cdand Brady beat mahomes twice when it mattered as well
@@JAPARICAN50-50 and Eli beat Brady twice when it mattered as well so what's your point?
Naahhhhhhhh You Need 7 RINGS
You don't because Jordan is considered the goat in the NBA and he only has 6 rings. Bill Russell has 11
@@BrianThomas-m5g bill russel is also overated asf especially if u check all his stats and metrics also he played in a prehistoric era vs bums nobody thinks bill russel is even top 5 just like nobody thinks lebron is the best scorer ever even tho he has the most points
Yep you need 7 rings with 2 cheating scandals to match Brady and be in a serious debate abt goat status
@@juicermcgooser3352
11 rings is 11 rings
@normevans934 Yes but Brady beat mahomes in the playoffs and in the superbowl. Can't say someone is better when they have more rings and a winning record against them
Thank you Jeff Saturday, youre the only one that actually made sense!
No he didn't.
In BRADY’S 2ND SUPER BOWL, he went 29/48, 354 yards, 3 TDs, with 1 INT, leading to a 32-29 W. Does that sound like defense⁉️
Still wasn't the best player on team tho
@@jada8047still played well enough to put his team in position to win.
It’s a dumb debate anyway bc both teams were nothing alike
Chiefs are offense HC, Pats were Defense HC
Reid never beat Belichick in the playoffs either
@@jada8047 he absolutely was
@@DakotaNeil-t1f sample size??? They barely got past a baby mahomes bcuz dee ford was offsides
Didn't know Molly was part of the conversation and not just the moderator....you literally have ex NFL players in the convo!!! Why does she keep interrupting.?? Joy, Jenny or even Shae were never this inappropriate, FOH!!
Well in this particular topic she knows more then anyone on the set at least Jeff Saturday made some decent points rest were 🤡 especially Foxworth
Molly was in the locker room with players tho 😂
@@davis2k1234 You defending her in every single comment reply section isn't gonna make her want you. Stop simping
Jeff Saturday is the most logical
Lots of 🧢🧢🧢 in here Brady definitely the GOAT not close rn
Tom Brady has never been the best QB in the league WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT ????
Wild comment
The disrespect by Dominique!!!!!!
Like wat
Tom Brady was never in the best qb in the league is crazy
It's scary how some people get paid to give their opinions.
Yeah these guys are just trolling
Can we please stop with this. Mahomes isn’t trying to be Brady. Mahomes is Mahomes.
Why nobody talking about Brady beating Mahomes 31-9 at the superbowl ?
Everyone brings that up lmao wym
Chiefs entire Oline was injured tbh
Because everyone on this set but Molly picked the Chiefs to win that Super Bowl over Bucs and are all long time Brady haters
@@davis2k1234 I picked the Chiefs too, but I knew Mahomes would struggle because of the O Line. Even with how it played out, I gave Mahomes grace because of the O Line. No QB will be great with no O Line
@@jctslice I agree but just giving context that everyone on the panel is long time known Brady hater that wanted to crown Mahomes GOAT before that Super Bowl but the real GOAT had to show em
I feel like the most simplest thing to think about is Jordan Never played Lebron and vice versa so its always an open ended discussion. Mahomes lost to Brady in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl and Brady did it with 2 different teams at that
They may actually have to fire Molly… she kept interrupting everyone.. what show operates like that.. she makes the convo murky.. she needs to stop interrupting and moderate.. the show isn’t only about YOU
Genuinely impressive how quick they’ve always been to give Mahomes the goat label, the guy who has it beat him in the playoffs twice in his 40’s mind you and one of those was for a Super Bowl
Sooo Eli Manning the goat cuz he beat Brady in the superbowl twice right type shii oh and Nick Foles to right should be top 10 no ??
You gotta be f_cking kidding me right? Tom Brady did it 7 times, 2 teams, in 3 era's.
How many QBs 3peated ?
2 different cheating scandals
So everyone just gonna pretend Joe Montana don't exist?
@@nextbigthing2917 Patrick Mahomes hasn't 3peated AT ALL yet
@@BossMan-vl5cd And both were proven false
TB the goat era was just tougher and who he went against was legendary
The GOAT debate was over once he lost in the SB to Brady. That settled any potential tie breaker.
People who watched that game knows he was the best player on that field
You can cry all you want he is going to be that goat way sooner
No it didn’t, only casuals and people with an IQ under 20 try and use that when it’s already logically debunked, you’re using an argument that has already been put in the casket.
That's why Eli manning is the goat 2-1 against Brady
Dumbest comment award
Man as a massive Mahomes fan and Brady hater, the one argument Brady will ALWAYS have is that he beat him twice. I get it's a team sport but Brady beat him twice for 2 championships.
At what stage in PM career did Brady beat him tho? And how did he beat him? We have to tell the whole story - not just the win/loss.
@robruckus7940 idk but I know Brady was in his 40's lol so any argument there could be use for Brady as well.
@jesussalas4974 Nah, experience vs a Sophomore isn't the same G.
Even as a chiefs fan I still don’t give goat over Brady if he 3 peats. He needs 5 total at least and the 3 peat to pass Brady, he’s gonna need to pass him in some major stats categories as well.
Mahomes has no real competition. There’s no debate he’s the best QB right now. When Brady was playing, you had doubts on the best with scary players like Brees Manning Rodgers.
@@UndeadSkater16 you make a good point. But I also emphasize scary on the other side of the ball. Like let's just take Tom Brady in the early 2000's if he didn't get the ball out in 3 Seconds he had to worry about Ray Lewis drilling him when anything less the a headshot was completely legal.
Lawrence Taylor the steel curtain in a much more physical league. Give Steve Young time in the pocket protect Montana let Mahomes get hit the way they did this a completely different discussion.
Tom Brady visited Revis Island twice a year for a stretch.
Tom Brady saw the like of Brian Dawkins, ed Reed and Troy and they were physical and got after the QB so for Tom fo what he did with the QB competition and the pressure from a defense like the ravens speaks volumes
Mahomes is doing what he needs to do now but the game and deserve his recognition but he is in a league less physical and offers the quarterback more protection.
Many times Joe Montana had a fraction of the time Mahomes has with Lawrence Taylor in his face
My biggest problem with molly isn't even that she interrupts all the time. Its that she doesn't say anything that intrigues you or add to the conversation. She just be trying to give a take with no real thought just to be involved. I wish they just give her a podcast so she can get all her takes out
She’s one of those ppl who like to hear themselves talk lmao
Molly likes to talk
Mahomes isn’t even over Peyton Manning all time what even is this conversation? He isn’t over Brady whatsoever. Not even close. Recency bias is crazy.
Patrick Mahomes is the GREATEST QB to EVER to play the position and I’m not arguing with anyone!
Great.. so be wrong to yourself
@@BarryMilburnJr to ever play is a stretch.
The thing is when you say someone is the greatest of all time all factors have to be considered.
Factors like Patrick Mahomes has way more time in the pocket to get the ball off because in today's football the quarterback is protected. Whereas when Joe Montana played he had to put up numbers with Lawrence Taylor being able to hit him and no flags being thrown.
Even in Tom Brady's early career he dealt with Ray Lewis. Montana truly had to earn it.
Put Montana in today's league when the Quarterback is protected his numbers skyrocket
Put Mahomes in that era where he's allow to get blasted by Lawrence Taylor he doesn't do as well as he does today.
And I know we don't live on what ifs but that's why you can't compare Mahomes to Montana or Steve Young or Dan Marino.
They played in a time where everything but a head shot was legal
Today's quarterbacks have way more time in the pocket....and that's the real thing that's not even an argument Mahomes may be the greatest in the last 10 years when the rules started giving him more time to make a play but nobody plays the same under pressure even Tom Brady numbers were not the same when Ray Lewis came at him
The level of physicality is different.
It's like taking a wrestler from the PG era and comparing him to someone from the attitude era.
And this is no hate to Mahomes he is talented and he is doing what he supposed to do in this league....but it's a different league could he perform like this against the steel curtain or the 2000 ravens defense
11 TDs 9 INTs. Truly GOAT numbers
Molly is wrong the Chiefs last Lost to was the Vegas Raiders on Christmas 2023 nobody has beaten the Chiefs since
It's really hard to ever say Pat is the 🐐 when Brady himself defeated him 2 times in the post-season.
I love how Shannon has been doing the show at home and Stephen a Smith got to go to the office lol
The show is filmed in NY, south street seaport. Shannon lives in LA and films his podcast and show out there. You don't need to be in studio. SAS lives in Connecticut.
@ from this response I can tell you’ve never had a job in your life
@@MikeeJoness956everything he said was accurate. but you're a Cowboys fan so you clearly dont have much of an IQ
I noticed that too, It seems Shanon said to SAS if you want me, I don't want to have to travel to NYC
@@amateur_football9751 Perk Lives in Texas. He only comes to NY for a few segments.
Mahomes has always had a track team for Wide Receivers and an all time great tight end named Travis……while Tom Brady had pretty good wide receivers and going through Players like Payton Manning, Phillip Rivers , Big Ben, Joe Flacco, Drew Brees, Donovan McNabb and the list goes on…..Brady path was way more difficult and still came out on top
lol well first of all TB had Gronk for 3 of his rings and the best defence in the leage fo another 2... and then there was 2001 so dw Brady got A LOT of help. Dude won a SB scoring 13 points...
And you lost me at Rivers... bruh... Flacco? Josh Allen, Lamar, Burrow are right up there with any of those guys minus maybe Peyton.
Pat has only lost to Tom and Burrow. Tom lost to Eli, Foles, Sanchez, Tannehill, Plummer....
@@timocruz510Mahomes played with the better receivers at this point in their careers and with more all pros. His era had the tougher teams and tougher at the qb spot. I understood his point well..
@@takerfan4ever Cool and that's why his numbers are wayyyy better than Brady's in his first 7 years lol
But even compare Brady post 2007 when he basically always had great WR/TE talent (minus 2019) and Pat's numbers are still better
@@takerfan4ever lol 2011 was the most pass happy year of all time. "Toughest era," please. Honestly the defences in the modern 2024 NFL more versatile and freakish than ever and most offences are affected by it
@@timocruz510 yes, that's why his numbers WERE way better.. that's not rocket science. Add that with the fact he was surrounded by more all pros than Brady. Plus, its just a stupid comparison when you're trying to single out portions of their career. One was on an offensive team, with some amazing offensive weapons.. the other defensive. Two totally different situations. and you are exaggerating a bit. Post 2007 for Brady, they were pretty much on par with each other.
And I'm not talking on 2011.. I'm talking previous to that. 2011 was right around the time the league was becoming quarterback oriented. When defenses for the most part decided games.. where you can be absolutely rocked and not get a roughing the passer in your favor. Lol, you're just reaching at this point.
All in all, that's why it's career vs career.. it's not complicated. Brady is head and shoulders above everyone. So far ahead people are trying to lower the goal post for the next guy. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. So until further notice..
Brady 1-0 vs Mahomes in Super Bowls
Eli 2-0 vs Brady in Super Bowls. So what.
@ Eli has never been considered the GOAT, and I would respect this example more had you used the two people in comparison. But all be it try to pull something out of left field I can’t blame you
@@kingjmike2027 The point is just because you beat a QB in the Superbowl does not mean you are better than that QB. That only means your team was better than his team that day. By your logic if Brady played Mahomes in 10 straight Superbowls Brady would win all 10. Since he is undefeated vs Mahomes and all right? Wrong. I would go as far as saying Mahomes would win 6 out of 10. If not more.
@ never my logic all I did was bring up a point none of them did you chose to try and pick it apart I hope it made your day
@@kingjmike2027 You are getting defensive because I am basically asking "What is the point of your comment?". It didn't make my day but it sure seems like it ruined yours. I apologize.
Mahomes is the goat of getting calls please. All he does is get calls and win by field goals this offense is so undominant.
As a nfl fan, I want lion to win one superbowl, especially this year. They look good
Mahomes is the greatest talent we’ve ever laid eyes on.. his resume and work speaks for itself.. we’re taking him for granted the same way we do LeBron smh
So how are his numbers terrible for the last 2 years 😂
Cap he overrated.
He’s not being taken for granted. He’s great. Everybody knows that. He just ain’t better or more accomplished than Brady
Fact 💯💯💯
@@jamiethomas5849 better is subjective but Brady absolutely is more accomplished… the most in NFL history
Three peating is impossible in sports today. It's hard to keep teams together for more than 2 years
And injuries
7 is even more impossible
Real Madrid did with the champions league. Only time it’s been done. Crazy stuff man
@holywarrior9734 soccer is no longer as competitive as it once was . Case in point I think it was impossible to win 2 champions league cups in a row in the early 2000s.
@takerfan4ever first of all these media guys say winning 5 or more for mahomes like it's so easy. I actually think NFL Superbowl is harder now than ever becoz its impossible to keep together a team now than ever
I liked the other moderator Shay better instead of Molly . Conversation flowed more smoother & when she spoke it had substance to it molly just wanna give her input when nobody cares
The narrative of the patriots defense carrying Brady through the first few years in the NFL is not fully true. In the patriots 2nd super bowl, Brady threw for 350 + yds, 3 tds, 1 int, in a shootout vs the Panthers who had two legit #1 receivers with Steve Smith and Muhammad. . He also led the league in passing tds his 2nd year starting, and he led the league in passing yds a year or two before Moss got there. Yes the patriots had a top tier defense but after Bradys 1st year playing, he became a legit top qb in the league. These guys are knowledgeable enough to have this discussion
5 rings at minimum is what it’s gonna take for me to entertain the convo. 3-peat is all time stuff duh he’s already 2nd best ever imo. But it’s hard for me to say even with a 3-peat he would be the goat when that’s still 3 less rings than Brady, 5 less SB appearances, much less cumulative stats, not to mention 0-2 in the playoffs vs Brady in the 2 biggest stages possible.
In defense of losing to Brady, it’s not like they’re on the field at the same time. It’s a lot of factors like the capability of their respective defenses and o-lines, not to mention the ability of the receivers, which in kcs case against Tom in the buccaneer era was a joke right up there with their garbage o-line. The defense also wasn’t enough to break through Tom’s o-line. That, plus the OT rules at the time, kind of sealed him.
I could also just be biased as a giants fan
You are making too much sense.
THIS! You couldn't be more correct.
Pat was drafted in the best situation. He had the Legion of Zoom, Kelce, & Hunt. KC defense is elite & AFC west is weak. I think he needs to win with another team or with less.
If they’re playing like this in the season which is average can you imagine how they’re going to play once postseason starts especially Kelce who’s having a bad year it’s over for everyone
Not to mention them being undefeated with ALOT of injuries….. their whole receiving core is pretty much hurt
The CHIEFS are playing like this in the season, Mahomes is historically bad for an all time QB this year
@@deionlee9 They literally just got DHOP
Ridiculous of Foxworth to say Brady was never the best QB in the league at any point. There were multiple seasons when he clearly was, without argument. Also ridiculous of Saturday to use Lamar possibly getting 3 MVP's as an argument against Mahomes when Peyton Manning was winning 5 himself in front of Brady as a comparison (I guess Rodgers with 4, too).
He has to go undefeated and win the three peat , that’s the only way Becuase Brady never completed the undefeated job
Saturday is the only one with common sense holy f these people are clueless.
"Jordan is considered a goat, by some, Stephen A" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m a huge Patrick fan but to say he’s the goat even if he 3 peats is insane. Dude still has an entire career ahead of him. This is insane to even be considering at this point. Tom Brady’s body of work was incredible and some are saying he wasn’t the most talented in the regular season ever. Tom went to Tampa after everybody said bill was the reason and dude ended up winning again to let yall know he was that guy and guess who he beat also!? Patty Mahomes!!!!! I could make this longer but I will say this. Tom was magic and his career was legendary. He is one of a kind and my goat. I’m the biggest mahomes fan but let’s revisit this when it’s all said and done. Yall tried to say Aron Rogers was better and look at him now. He’s slightly above average. Nuff said!
ESPN is salivating at the mouth knowing that they beat the LeBron James versus Michael Jordan debate to death. Now they get to do it with Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady for the next decade. Strap in for the ride everybody! 😭
Fox is right. We always questioned is Brees, Manning, Big Ben better than Brady. That question lasted until Brady won his 5th because of the way he came back against Atlanta and breaking the Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana tie for most rings ever as a QB. We haven’t questioned is Mahomes the best whatsoever since he’s started
Difference is we questioned Brady because he won early with subpar offenses. Fox was wrong saying that Brady started on a solid team in 2001. The patriots were 5-11 in 2000 with a 3xPB QB that was just given the highest contract in NFL history. In 2001 before Bledsoe was hurt, they were 0-2 and were ranked the 32nd (worst) team in the league by most NFL analysts. Their defense was solid, but Bledsoe was a mess in that offense and their best receiving threat was Troy Brown (a 2 way player). Meanwhile, Mahomes started on a team that was playoff ready (13-3 in 2017) and had 2 HOF receiving threats in Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce along with one of the greatest offensive minds in Andy Reid. Everyone punishing Brady for winning with subpar offensive talent for his first 6 years of his career and yet simultaneously praising Mahomes for doing the same thing simply because the way they succeeded has been reversed. Mahomes high flying early to dink and dunk as of late vs Brady was the opposite.
I would love them to mention a 3 - peat a long with a undefeated season
pats 19-1
Bro, an undefeated season with the threepeat to cherry it on top is the ultimate flex, all combined sports.
@@phantom3668 18-1*
ill bet my life mahomes and the chiefs never go an entire decade without a Superbowl win let alone appearance
Mahomes being a first round pick, on a playoff team with great coach right off the bat, and having a defense carry him Vs Brady a 6th round pick who genuinely had to work for what he had and then held it down for two decades and even beat Mahomes in the Super Bowl should end this debate.
It’s not going to because a lot of yall didn’t watch Brady growing up. I appreciate both players but it’s Brady.
@6:15, Molly actually started saying something worth listening to. This was the most cognizant, coherent thought she’s put together.
do people only value counting up accolades without context or the player’s productions which impacts part of a football team ?
He already is the 🐐 🍷✌🏽
I didn’t know we had 5 analysts and no Moderator 😂 Molly pls stop interrupting respectfully
Funny how they compare Mahomes to Brady when Brady was the first to beat Mahomes in The Regular Season, The Playoffs, and in The Super Bowl
Mind you this is A young barley experienced Patrick Mahomes, the chiefs now would mop that bucs team
I dont understand how the media dismiss brady beating mahomes in the Superbowl. He beat him head up .I can't put him over Brady even if he gets 3 peat
The most one sided sb in the history of the game
Because the chiefs O line was horrible. And Brady was not as good as Mahomes in there first 4 maybe 5 years as a starting years as a QB
I don't understand either. I mean you beat the guy, you're better than him right?? Oh, Eli beat Tom in the superbowl 2wice btw
Do we hold Brady losing to manning twice over his head? We still call him the goat after that. And him losing to the nick foles.
@@dollarboy1944and where is Eli rank in your all time list? People say this like Eli and Nick Foles are in contention for being the goat
Pat doesn’t have to go to another team and win a SB to be crowned the GOAT.
If the Chiefs can go undefeated and complete the three-peat this year, it would put Mahomes tied with Brady as the GOAT, with the remaining of his career to surpass it. Doing the two things that Brady haven't done would negate/offset Brady beating Mahomes in the AFC Championship and SuperBowl argument.
The Steelers started out 12-0 in 2020, the chances of the Chiefs going undefeated is very little
Facts
Goat meaninf taking the layer to win you a game. 1 game 4 your life
Brady beat him 2-0 when kt matters.
That 2-0 is going to keep brady aflout
Why yall bring up that Super Bowl lol Tom lost to Eli 2x and nick foles if you put it like that. It’s not like Tom and mahomes matched up over and over again. No one cares about that Super Bowl because Tom didn’t just out right out play mahomes his all the starters on the offensive line was out.
Not at all. Brady still has more of everything else. He needs to overtake Brady's accolades before that can even be a thought
brady was the best qb in 07 and 20 and arguably for more than 10 seasons plus lamar better than mahomes this year
The disrespect to Tom is insane. Who’s the guy who smoked Mahomes in multiple championships?
Team game. Mahomes was the better player. Didn't have the better team
He smoked him in the 2018 AFC title game? That's a wild take. 😂😂😂
@@zachmcnerney409 every time they faced off in the big game Tom beat him. Mahomes teams were younger and more explosive. Are you actually arguing Tom isn’t the greatest of all time?
@@jctsliceif it's a team game then the argument for the "defense won them the Superbowls so it doesn't count" is invalid
Molly did good one day of not interrupting but she’s back to her normal routine smh I think ESPN keeps her on just for her looks
IT IS UNREAL HOW MOLLY INTERRUPTS. At the 6 minute mark, Stephen A was making a great point and she literally cut off the entire point of his monologue. MODERATE and stop interrupting dude...sheesh.
I think Mahomes getting a 3 peat is just as impressive as Brady's 28-3 comeback in the Super Bowl. So while a 3 peat is historic, it's actually pretty idiotic to crown Mahomes the GOAT before he's even 30. This is a conversation to have when Mahomes is retired so we can actually compare resumes instead of guessing what it'll be.
Tom = Bill Russell
Pat = Michael Jordan
We know who's the GOAT, if he wins this year
This bill Russell was smacking mj around from time to time tho
Horrible example lmao. Brady played in mahomes era and dominated 😂😂
Who is we?
Russel has zero records and avg 14PPG all he has is rings
Brady had MJ peak LeBron longevity to go with Russell rings very dumb comparison
Terrible comparison lol brady was great individually just like mj was and not to mention half of america probably couldn't name 2 receivers on the patriots when brady won his 1st 3 rings without googling it
Mahomes only had five elite seasons and four of those fives were with tyreek hill. Brady had one elite receiver in his career for about two seasons and Gronk who got injured in tons of games. Y’all keep talking though. By the way, Brady peaked at the end of the 2003 season. If that didn’t happen, no back to back Super Bowls.
Imagine never being the best qb in the nfl and making the superbowl half your career and winning 7 of them 😂
Thats actually insane
Talking crazy
Ultimate team sport. Peyton and Aaron were always better talents than Brady but with generally worst defenses.
@@user-lv9cuYou still clinging to that dumb narrative😂 Packers are better without Arod then they were with him and those Colts and Broncos teams were far better rosters then trash Brady had to carry outside of Moss for 2 seasons.
@@user-lv9cu dawg Brady won with mf Chris hogan and Julian Edlenut and gronk got hurt a few times and he stilllllllllllllllll showed up better than Peyton and Aaron
So tired of people pushing the finish line back. If Mahomes has done what he’s done back then before a Brady, everybody would say Mahomes is the great and I’m not even talkin bout the 7 rings
Last time I checked, 4 super bowls/three peat is still much less than 7.
That's why Jordan isn't the goat bill russell is
@BossMan-vl5cd mahomes and brady are both great individually that's the difference... individually russell is nowhere close to jordan
@@BossMan-vl5cd u would be right if they played in the same era
After Jordan won his first 3 rings, a 3peat by the way, he was called the best ever. Over Russell's 11, over Kareem's 6, and over Magic's 5. And they were right. If Mahomes 3peats he will be put ahead of Brady's 7. And in the end they will be right. Just like they were with Jordan.
Last time I checked Jordan threepeating twice is why he is the goat and he was finals MVP every single time and he never even played a game seven. Listen if he wins three in a row and goes undefeated, he is a notch under Tom. But if he wins one more Super Bowl after that and two more MVPs or Lord forbid Super Bowls the man is definitely better than Tom. No one is Tom Brady. But equally said no one is Patrick Mahomes. That could be said of anybody, but I'm talking about greatness.
I'm taking 7 rings and the head to head wins over 4 every single time. A 3 peat is nice but it ain't better.
Brady has 7 chips
With most tainted by bs
He has 7 but the defense was the catalyst for the 1st chip and maybe the second
@@mike-vc1qmacting like the refs don’t help Mahomes lmao
All time passing yard and TD record too
@@HR-ms6edYeah the defense just carried Mahomes to a ring last season and his carrying him again this year
Fact check: Chiefs were 10-6 the year before Mahomes, not 13-3. Big difference. Limped into playoffs and blew a 21-3 lead.
Patriots were 5-11 the year before Brady
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Mahomes will never be the GOAT but I love the fact ya'll are desperate enough to even suggest something this stupid. Ratings must be bad.
Brady is 3rd best qb ever😂 he can be your goat if ya want 😅
@@tjislosthad to have 2 cheating scandal 😂
You mean he'll never be YOUR G.O.A.T., he's already mine.
@@tjislost "3rd best qb ever" yeah nobody ever takes you seriously, hes the undisputed goat
i think im in an alternative dimension, i just watched a video where they said in the first minute that tom brady has never been the best qb in the league in his 20 years career.
Like Shannon said, if he gets to 5, with a 3 peat and has like 4 mvps by the time he hangs it up, he’s undoubtedly the goat.
If he gets to 5 and has those other accolades the conversation becomes legit. But for me I say six because Tom played the first half of his career in a more competitive era.
No what mahomes does he can get 10 rings hes never beaten the true GOAT head to head… you couldn’t beat the man you cant ever be the man! Brady the GOAT FOREVER!
@@meyao8987 okay so Eli manning is the goat then, got it.
@ u see how dumb u sound Nobody has Eli in any discussion of being a GOAT if u wanna put mahomes in this discussion he can never be a part of it because hes never beat the true GOAT… Eli isnt in mahomes league when it comes to accomplishments and mahomes has more rings then him… Eli isnt even close on anyone’s GOAT talk FOH
@@meyao8987 But you just said that since Brady beat mahomes twice in the playoffs, that makes him forever better. But when I bring up Brady being 0-2 vs Eli, you say it’s a team game. You use “qb vs qb head to head” to push your narratives. And then when it goes against Brady it’s not a head to head it’s a team game
Can Andy Reid get a lot more love? Mahomes isn't winning anything without Reid's coaching. Don't get me wrong, Mahomes is a great QB, but having the best coach in the league by far certainly helps to win games they should have lost.
Brady fans love counting their chips without any context while Mahomes fans love jumping to goat conclusions when his prime isn’t even finished yet…
Here’s some context for Brady. His 6 rings with the Patriots all came with a game winning 4th quarter/ overtime drive. The only athlete that you can argue is that clutch would be Tiger Woods
@@jamiethomas5849how can you be clutch in golf😂
Chiefs fans have dismissed how bad Mahomes has been and game manager like he's been this season with a great defense carrying him.
@@jamiethomas5849Mahomes 3 rings have all come with him leading a game-winning drive. Might be 4 by this time next year.
@@thatstheway2429great. Wake me up when he has 6
Never talk about Relationships around Molly, she will bud in every single time😂😂
Now we forget how great brady was all of a sudden lol he literally beat mahomes… i hate the media sometimes
Now we forgot Eli beat Brady twice 😂
Based on your logic Eli manning is better then Brady because he beat Brady 2 times in superbowls makes no sense
So Eli is the goat?
@@tjislost forgot that Nick Foles beat Brady too 😅 it’s more than just QB beats other QB… they treat it like it’s a basketball matchup when they never face each other on the field at once 😂
mahomes is going against the defense not brady
Why tf does the moderator feel so inclined to constantly throw her opinion in there . NONE of the other moderators do this .
Brady also beat him in the superbowl and AFC champ game literally owns him
Brady owns nothing. LMFAOO Mahomes out played brady in that AFC Championship game and lost because Dee Ford went offsides. And Brady was carried by his defense in that Super Bowl. Bro only threw for 201 passing yards.😂😂 Mahomes>>Brady
So according to you Eli is better than Brady right? Eli is 2-0 against Brady in the superbowl 😂
@@Unsealed_Prods Great point.
@@Unsealed_ProdsReading critically is key. They said Brady ALSO did that. Meaning, they have more reasons as to why Brady is greater than Mahomes
@@rustyshackelford3109terrible point because context matters. Looking at all the accolades and accomplishments, then we look at head to head. Eli is barely in the HOF discussion so the head to head doesnt mean anything
Playmaker said it best. We saw them play head to head in a Super Bowl and we saw who won
Recency bias smh
Mahomes is more talented and skilled than Brady. You just mad because Mahomes owns your Forty whiners😂 Mahomes>>Brady
Tom Brady was never the best quarterback until it mattered the most which was the playoffs and the Super Bowl he seven and three in the Super Bowl with six game-winning drives and he blew Mahomes out in one of them
7:23 I mean she can’t be serious
made me spit take tbh
Saturday the only person who is making sense
Mahomes VS Stafford SB
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Chiefs fan here. I'm biased, certainly. I think on raw talent, Mahomes is the best to ever do it. I also know that stats are huge part of legacy, and Brady's stats are insane. I love both of them. Entirely different QBs who both know/knew how to win when it mattered most. The fact that it's being debated is good enough for me. Best of all, Tom and Pat seem to love each other's games and company.
I can't put Mahomes over Brady
Don't worry. Everyone else will.
Eli over both of them.
@@terrellbaker1660and by everyone else.. you mean chiefs fans.. while the NFL fans will comprehend it's brady😊
@@takerfan4ever Not the fans, the media. They are already doing it and he hasn't 3peated yet. I'm sorry but all you Brady boys are going to get left behind. ✌️
@@takerfan4ever Not the fans, the media. They are already doing it and he hasn't 3peated yet. You'll see
Mahomes only loss in the SB was to Brady. Brady is still the GOAT. Until Mahomes wins at least 6 and 3 peats, then we could have that debate. I can’t believe they all missed that obvious point.
Most people, 25, and under which I am already have Patrick as the goat we say, Tom still got it for now out of respect, but Pat Mahomes already walked him down in eight years
Yeah and that's called recency bias lol
@ not true bc when I was a kid, I distinctively remember going to Super Bowl parties and people would bet against Tom Brady, and at the end of it they would say you can’t bet against Tom Brady bc somehow he kept winning I remember watching him lose to Eli when Eli threw that ball down the sidelines and whoever that guy was made the greatest catch in Super Bowl history. They even said that when it happened on live TV.
@ you are trying to invalidate my opinion, but Came with some thing as weak as recency bias like we don’t have the Internet
@@2KBPoliteDior10TDs 9INTs wow I’ll take Brady’s 1st 7 seasons over Mahomes any day he took over a bad Patriots team with HC who had a losing record
Mahomes was drafted to a 12 win team with the best TE/WR combo in NFL history and proven Super Bowl caliber genuis play caller in Andy Reid
@@2KBPoliteDior yeah and you can't even name 2 receivers on that 1st dynasty patriots team without googling it, so yes you def have recency bias claiming he already passed brady, mahomes is great... but objectively he most definitely hasn't surpassed brady
Him getting a 3 peat, 6 championships and 3 mvps would make it about even and a truly debatable topic.