I've listened to a handful of Boteachs speaking engagements. He's a bit more boisterous than the average...anyone. Homie got a tone and a surplus of volume to boot. Not sure it's fair to liken him to anyone other than himself.
Religion is purely based on emotion. There’s no logic or fact behind it. If it’s one of the three dreaded Abrahamic religions then you’ve got to the deal with the “either you’re with me or you’re my enemy” mentality.
I DISAGREE!!!!! IF YOU *SHOUT* YOUR *ARGUMENTS* IT MAKES THEM *THAT!!! MUCH!!!! MORE!!!! EFFECTIVE!!!! AND!!!! MEANINGFUL!!!!!* *BOLD!!!!* _ITALICS!!!!_ *_BOLD ITALICS!!!!_*
The rabbi thinks that increasing the volume of his voice increases the validity of his arguments, or he could just be getting angry that he is losing to Hitchens so badly.
I came looking for this comment. Whenever I calmly answer my Christian friends/family questions with logic and sense they get mad and start yelling or crying while I'm still calm. They're mad they have no evidence to support their claims or belief in miracles. So they panic and get loud or angry.
PSA: If you're wearing headphones, or turned up the volume to bask in Hitch's wit, turn down the volume at around 39:10 in preparation for raving lunacy.
When stripped of your basic humanity for several months to a few years for acts that are deemed by and profited by religious,corporate interests with no recourse whatsoever will steer thinking in a certain direction. A person who lacks internal fortitude facing the all mighty us government most often turns to religion honestly or in most cases taking and having to pass religious education just to be released early. It's pure evil, even by the standards of the Ole haysews de krisco
"If all the Atheists & Agnostics left America, they'd lose 93% of The National Academy of Sciences & less than 1% of the prison population." - Ricky Gervais
The Jewish dude is too screechy, does the pleading hand gestures, angry spurts of personal attacks and false humility. In other words, Hitchens didn't need to say anything to defeat him in debate.
Finding new to me Hitchens content is like finding the Holy Grail, Ark of the Covenant and Noah"s Ark at the same time. Only difference is my treasure exists.
Stephen Hawking was dazzling the world with his brilliance long before his body was crippled. Shmuley may want to educate himself in regards to all of these things he yells about.
Yup...."disabled" or not, he was one of our greatest treasures. Nobody in their right mind would say he was a burden on society. Literally the opposite.
That’s exactly right. With religion you don’t get any peace or Love. But you get plenty of wars and hatred and division. The “if you’re not with me then you’re against me” mentality. Zero tolerance, especially the three dreaded Abrahamic religions.
All I'm really hearing is..."the bible and my religion make me feel complete and gives me purpose"... he could've said that and just stopped and saved us all an earache
@@jeffallcock4561 Travis is hyperbolizing, but the point is that none of the theist arguments were any good. If you want to disagree, happy to hear your counterpoint.
I saw the rabbi and Hitchens at a jewish university. the rabbi who moderated was so annoyed he told him to tone it down. Hitchens eviscerated him with knowledge and wit the rabbi's response was screaming and louder screaming
Oh man ;p( ,,, such a loss to humanity ....We will miss you Mr Hitchens. In every debate ..You intellectually killed each and every one of your opponents. This is one of the greatest channel in RUclips for sure.
Thanks for posting. Interesting to compare Hitch's approach to this debate back in 04 to his debates years later after he wrote god is not great. So sorry he's left the stage forever, but RUclips is a great consolation. Thanks again.
It is not arrogant to assume there is something greater than yourself and to represent that belief by its very nature is an act of humility.The alternative is there is only yourself which I would argue to assume requires an even greater lack of modesty.
I'm forcefully reminded of the US series the office, and the scene where Jim is advising Dwight on how to give a speech, and says that you must speak loudly and wave your hands and pound your fist on the podium so as to emphasize your point. And then hands him a speech written by Mussolini for study practice.
So Rabbi Shmuley's debating strategy is to come out and yell his personal beliefs as loudly as possible, hoping that people are so taken aback by the volume that they don't check his facts? What a strange fellow.
He sounds like the nuts you hear on the corner.I dont dislike him because he is Jewish, I dislike because of the way he debates. It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Nelson Mandela,, “Don't raise your voice, improve your argument."
Rabi goes back home: See how I yelled at them and they couldn’t yell back at me. Thats the power of god. Hitchens: mentally face palms about every 3 seconds as the rabbi screams and yells and spits everywhere.
The rabbi lost the debate the moment he started ranting and shouting in order to make his point, which was roughly the few minutes of his opening statement. Hitch never raised his voice once.
Shmuley is terrible.Just offers nothing but bile in my opinion. he could do much better. His facts are all just memorized biblical quotes, hes like a loud parrot.
Hitchens fan here, but I laughed at the end where that guy who introduced the debaters said that he was “sworn to neutrality during this debate.” He thought he was simulating neutrality in that introduction?
The moral case for God is "thou shall not kill?" and that this is absolute and sacred? That was a poor choice, and fairly empty morality - also pre-dated by the Code of Hammurabi which was not a revelation from Yaweh. (note, Hitchens gave him the out of "thou shall not murder," but it wasn't accepted or noted) After listing people killed by various dictators, the Rabbi quickly transitioned to "just war" rhetoric about Iraq ... but, didn't God say no killing? Is "just war" just harsh words?
When I read the comments about a screaming or “passionate” rabbi, I would not have believed it. He speaks that the Bible gives us the “sanctity of life” arguments, while he conveniently forgets the genocide and “Divine” commandments for slavery. He follows the usual apologetics. How much applause should a person get who is willing to injure people’s ears with a microphone? Cruel and unusual punishment.
The praise Hitch gave Wilson had a double edge... He praised his loyalty & accepting the Bible as it is w/o back peddling & excuses for the nasty bits ...He essentially accepted "God" for the monster it's depicted as ...
It's always a great debate to see someone who has a level head (hitchens) and someone else who is one big pile of emotion... how could that not be interesting?
The one thing to take away from this debate is that, if he actually believes what he spouts, Jacob Shmuel Boteach must never, ever stop believing it. For the good of all mankind.
Rabbi, screaming and ranting in an unintelligible way doesn't strengthen your case, it only makes you look like a fool and is rather embarrassing to witness as a viewer. The truth is scary, there are no saviors, politicians or aliens that are going to save us and rescue us from the dilemma of being human. Accepting this realization and not retreating into the cozy mental and infantile safety of religion is to accept the terrible responsibility of being a truly conscious human being.
It boggles my mind how the rabbi does not understand that his shouting not only undermines his argument, it completely negates it. Perhaps this appeals to an American audience I don't know.
Furthermore, the Bible itself in its underlying structure has purpose to the way it is constructed that goes far beyond the ability of ancient peoples just to make up from whole clothe while maintaining consistency of the text throughout. There are layers of structure and layers of meaning that derive from the language, from the arrangement of the words, from the arrangement of the letters, frequency, etc.
havoc, Please expand on your knowledge of the tenets of paganism. What cultures have you studied, Celt, Greek, Roman, Saxon, Illyrian ?What tribes have you studied? What were your sources ? Or was your statement simply a vacuous assertion ?
The worste ones, certainly. He didn't say all attrocities were. That's a different statement to make and would be dishonest. If you want to quibble about what pagans have done, quibble on. It's an argument for Judeo-Christianity. Christians who violate others do so while also violating christian tenets. Pagans who violate others do so while upholding pagan tenets. We're all human; but, the difference is that Judeo Christianity seeks to do better in spite of ourselves.
Actually I never said you were unintelligent, on the contrary I said I couldn't see why you would insult your intelligence by saying Shumly made good points. Religious or not, one good point he did not make. My comment implied that you were only disagreeing that Shumly's speaking in this debate was nothing more than 'screaming nonsense' because he shares your general belief. Even if I was religious I would have to admit he was horrid here, do not insult you intelligence by saying otherwise.
If the audio hadn’t been so badly out of sync with the video i would have enjoyed it more. That said, these two debated at least four times over the years and here’s the score: Hitchens - 4 Shmuley - 0 If this was the NBA finals it would be curtains for ol’ Shmules…
havoc, do you own a Bible ? It doesn't seem so . If you can't find inconsistancies, contradictions, historical inaccuracies, absurd claims, & plain wicked immorality, you haven't been reading. I'd be glad to give a you a massive list.
The books allowed into the anthology are allowed based specifically on their consistency. That you haven't studied the stuff in context is your problem, not ours. And when you guys run on at the lip over "inconsistencies," they always wind up to be issues where you don't know what you're talking about, haven't bothered with context, and take issue anyway. Seems that Critiques of the Bible are required to forget basic grammer and word use.
Finding a Hitchens argument I haven’t heard before is like finding a $100 in my pocket. Miss this man, sorry I came to the party late.
he was having sex with his students. he was a pig dont you think?
I feel you, I'm 2 years later to the party than you lol
Me too 😢
Sorry he became a supporter of the Bush war and a dumb ass conservative. Shit! He was so brilliant.
Perfect sentiment
Why do creationists always have a loud and irrational tone? As if getting louder produces more effectiveness, it makes me skip his part...
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣. Too true
I've listened to a handful of Boteachs speaking engagements. He's a bit more boisterous than the average...anyone. Homie got a tone and a surplus of volume to boot.
Not sure it's fair to liken him to anyone other than himself.
I also had to skip his part.
Religion is purely based on emotion. There’s no logic or fact behind it. If it’s one of the three dreaded Abrahamic religions then you’ve got to the deal with the “either you’re with me or you’re my enemy” mentality.
Why are atheists all bullies??!!
Dude got hitchslapped so hard he screamed his whole speach.
Yelling your arguments doesn't help the validity of said arguments
I DISAGREE!!!!! IF YOU *SHOUT* YOUR *ARGUMENTS* IT MAKES THEM *THAT!!! MUCH!!!! MORE!!!! EFFECTIVE!!!! AND!!!! MEANINGFUL!!!!!*
*BOLD!!!!* _ITALICS!!!!_ *_BOLD ITALICS!!!!_*
Schmuley is a science-illiterate irrational idiot. The more he doesn’t have a case the louder he yells. Hitch slaughtered him.
The rabbi thinks that increasing the volume of his voice increases the validity of his arguments, or he could just be getting angry that he is losing to Hitchens so badly.
I came looking for this comment. Whenever I calmly answer my Christian friends/family questions with logic and sense they get mad and start yelling or crying while I'm still calm. They're mad they have no evidence to support their claims or belief in miracles. So they panic and get loud or angry.
Exactly...those who are losing the fight always escalate their tone,proving their opponents point in the process
PSA: If you're wearing headphones, or turned up the volume to bask in Hitch's wit, turn down the volume at around 39:10 in preparation for raving lunacy.
The bad habits of a preacher : If I shout, people will surely be impressed and they will stop thinking !
FAIL !
When stripped of your basic humanity for several months to a few years for acts that are deemed by and profited by religious,corporate interests with no recourse whatsoever will steer thinking in a certain direction. A person who lacks internal fortitude facing the all mighty us government most often turns to religion honestly or in most cases taking and having to pass religious education just to be released early. It's pure evil, even by the standards of the Ole haysews de krisco
"If all the Atheists & Agnostics left America, they'd lose 93% of The National Academy of Sciences & less than 1% of the prison population." - Ricky Gervais
The Jewish dude is too screechy, does the pleading hand gestures, angry spurts of personal attacks and false humility. In other words, Hitchens didn't need to say anything to defeat him in debate.
+Tom Nissen Spot on. Could rest his case there.
OdinsSon
Ikr! He is like the Jews Donald Trump.
Ad hominem.
Finding new to me Hitchens content is like finding the Holy Grail, Ark of the Covenant and Noah"s Ark at the same time. Only difference is my treasure exists.
2:40 Shmuley gives you no choice but to hate him instantly.
40:00ish is when it gets really bad...
@@Her_Viscera He's horrendous, and the worst part is I can't tell if he knows it or not.
@@Her_Viscera He's just so completely clueless.
Hitchens not needed here, this crazy fool is perfectly able to destroy himself.
I DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT, SO IM GONNA YEEEEELL!!!!
I think this guy took public speaking lessons from Hitler.
😅😅😅😅best reply👍
Stephen Hawking was dazzling the world with his brilliance long before his body was crippled. Shmuley may want to educate himself in regards to all of these things he yells about.
Yup...."disabled" or not, he was one of our greatest treasures. Nobody in their right mind would say he was a burden on society. Literally the opposite.
No religion is needed. Peace and love is all we need.
That’s exactly right. With religion you don’t get any peace or Love. But you get plenty of wars and hatred and division. The “if you’re not with me then you’re against me” mentality. Zero tolerance, especially the three dreaded Abrahamic religions.
👍
A debate between a great thinker and a mental gymnast. Christopher was never evenly matched.
Maybe the rabbi didn't attend the meeting where people explained that microphones are there to amplify your voice. Thats why he's shouting i guess.
All I'm really hearing is..."the bible and my religion make me feel complete and gives me purpose"... he could've said that and just stopped and saved us all an earache
Sorry for yr ear-ache, but he said rather more than what you heard.
@@jeffallcock4561 Travis is hyperbolizing, but the point is that none of the theist arguments were any good.
If you want to disagree, happy to hear your counterpoint.
I saw the rabbi and Hitchens at a jewish university. the rabbi who moderated was so annoyed he told him to tone it down. Hitchens eviscerated him with knowledge and wit the rabbi's response was screaming and louder screaming
Oh man ;p( ,,, such a loss to humanity ....We will miss you Mr Hitchens.
In every debate ..You intellectually killed each and every one of your opponents.
This is one of the greatest channel in RUclips for sure.
Thanks for posting. Interesting to compare Hitch's approach to this debate back in 04 to his debates years later after he wrote god is not great. So sorry he's left the stage forever, but RUclips is a great consolation. Thanks again.
27:57 only the hitch... only the hitch.
"I'm representing something more powerful than myself" wow this guy is full of modesty.
It is not arrogant to assume there is something greater than yourself and to represent that belief by its very nature is an act of humility.The alternative is there is only yourself which I would argue to assume requires an even greater lack of modesty.
To consider humans as the dominant life of the universe, factually, is not that modest.
I'm forcefully reminded of the US series the office, and the scene where Jim is advising Dwight on how to give a speech, and says that you must speak loudly and wave your hands and pound your fist on the podium so as to emphasize your point. And then hands him a speech written by Mussolini for study practice.
😂
Crying about the fact that there is no absolute morality - doesn’t mean that there is absolute morality
Redo.
So Rabbi Shmuley's debating strategy is to come out and yell his personal beliefs as loudly as possible, hoping that people are so taken aback by the volume that they don't check his facts?
What a strange fellow.
💭if I bust their eardrums, they won't hear hitchens, then I might stand a chance at winning💭.....lol😅
That's brutal, man..
He sounds like the nuts you hear on the corner.I dont dislike him because he is Jewish, I dislike because of the way he debates. It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Nelson Mandela,, “Don't raise your voice, improve your argument."
I cannot listen to caterwauling, hysterical, maniacal Shmuley Boteach.
Wow !!! I didn't know how much more valid your argument is if you scream it !!!
39:00 onwards - Dunning-Kruger effect in full force. Utter despair.
Rabi goes back home: See how I yelled at them and they couldn’t yell back at me. Thats the power of god.
Hitchens: mentally face palms about every 3 seconds as the rabbi screams and yells and spits everywhere.
Shmuley is the absolute king of ad hominem fallacious argumentation strategies.
Being loud dosent make u right
The rabbi lost the debate the moment he started ranting and shouting in order to make his point, which was roughly the few minutes of his opening statement. Hitch never raised his voice once.
Shmuley is terrible.Just offers nothing but bile in my opinion. he could do much better. His facts are all just memorized biblical quotes, hes like a loud parrot.
I thought one of advances of man was the microphone. Religionists, whatever you say about their arguments, have not yet discovered THIS advance.
did you notice that in the beginning the rabbi have the wrong definition of the term atheist?
this guy's screaming is hilarious. i cant even tell what he is saying because hes so riled up.
57:15 "If you find me inaudible, please let me know" Never misses a chance to make a joke. What a legend.
Stop yelling at me!!! It doesn't make your point any more true. This Rabbi could not be more annoying if he tried.
boteach gets right up my nose every time i hear him. how he keeps getting invited to these things is beyond me.
Hitchens fan here, but I laughed at the end where that guy who introduced the debaters said that he was “sworn to neutrality during this debate.” He thought he was simulating neutrality in that introduction?
Has anyone watching this right now ever watched that Dave Chappelle skit where he’s doing a parody of Samuel L. Jackson hollering at everyone?
The moral case for God is "thou shall not kill?" and that this is absolute and sacred? That was a poor choice, and fairly empty morality - also pre-dated by the Code of Hammurabi which was not a revelation from Yaweh. (note, Hitchens gave him the out of "thou shall not murder," but it wasn't accepted or noted) After listing people killed by various dictators, the Rabbi quickly transitioned to "just war" rhetoric about Iraq ... but, didn't God say no killing? Is "just war" just harsh words?
Someone should’ve told the rabbi this was a debate and not a service.
The guy interviewed at the end is brilliant too.
Start of the conversation at 16:30
Rabbi boteach:
SHOUTS SHOUTS SHOUTS or else no one will listen to me.
The poor mic:
Dude, its ok, i got you. You dont have to shout.
Shmuley you're distorting the audio my man 😂
it seems that shmuley haven't notice that there is a mic in front of him
When I read the comments about a screaming or “passionate” rabbi, I would not have believed it.
He speaks that the Bible gives us the “sanctity of life” arguments, while he conveniently forgets the genocide and “Divine” commandments for slavery.
He follows the usual apologetics.
How much applause should a person get who is willing to injure people’s ears with a microphone?
Cruel and unusual punishment.
Did this guy take shouting lessons from Frank Turek?
Shmuley must think the louder he shouts the more correct he is ......Hahahaha Big gob with a stick.
The praise Hitch gave Wilson had a double edge... He praised his loyalty & accepting the Bible as it is w/o back peddling & excuses for the nasty bits ...He essentially accepted "God" for the monster it's depicted as ...
After Boteach reached about 10 Godwins, I stopped counting.
Epic. Despite the horrible sound.
It's always a great debate to see someone who has a level head (hitchens) and someone else who is one big pile of emotion... how could that not be interesting?
57:10 to skip the aural abuse
😂😂😂😂😂
01:49 - I love that little bit on 'life' 'death' and the 'intervening time.'
Such a beautiful little quote!
Intelligence and common sense, that's all it takes. No God's, anywhere.. Apart from the ones in your head.
This bearded guy is a pain in my ears, he's also massively deluded.
Craig never challenged him either. Hitchens reserved his highest praise for Tim Rutten and Doug Wilson.
The one thing to take away from this debate is that, if he actually believes what he spouts, Jacob Shmuel Boteach
must never, ever stop believing it. For the good of all mankind.
How can Shmuley represent anyone... A good argument is always better if you respect your audience.
I hate the way Shmuley carries on. Several of the debates I've watched him in, he screams like that. Annoying to my introverted ears. lol.
ikr, hes outright obnoxious
Why does he scream like a. Crazy man.. I can' t listen to him Bye
Sorry Rabbi. You LOST the moment you started yelling.
wow there shoutie mac shout
And just like that he lights his cigarettes. Oh! How I miss Hitchens.
@WILD BILL ^^^ Ladies and gentlemen - the fantasies of the Trump supporter...
@WILD BILL and you wonder why people paint Trump supporters with a broad brush of stupidity. 😂
Reccomend valium or barring that at minimum decaf.
Debate "Hitchens and the Angry Jew"
If the rabbi is so secure in his position, why is he shouting it?
Rabbi, screaming and ranting in an unintelligible way doesn't strengthen your case, it only makes you look like a fool and is rather embarrassing to witness as a viewer.
The truth is scary, there are no saviors, politicians or aliens that are going to save us and rescue us from the dilemma of being human. Accepting this realization and not retreating into the cozy mental and infantile safety of religion is to accept the terrible responsibility of being a truly conscious human being.
Ironically, Schmuley reminds me a lot of a certain famous Austrian
... At what point did anyone say anything anti-semitic?
Holy shit…..Hitch debates Shmuley?!?
How am I just now finding this?!?!?!
Why does religion make people shout?
It boggles my mind how the rabbi does not understand that his shouting not only undermines his argument, it completely negates it. Perhaps this appeals to an American audience I don't know.
uploader!!! could you try and fix the audio/video like you did in the debate with jay richards
Furthermore, the Bible itself in its underlying structure has purpose to the way it is constructed that goes far beyond the ability of ancient peoples just to make up from whole clothe while maintaining consistency of the text throughout. There are layers of structure and layers of meaning that derive from the language, from the arrangement of the words, from the arrangement of the letters, frequency, etc.
Intro melody appears to be in Swedish, which is my native language.. yet I can't understand much of what is sung
fix sync!!!
havoc, Please expand on your knowledge of the tenets of paganism. What cultures have you studied, Celt, Greek, Roman, Saxon, Illyrian ?What tribes have you studied? What were your sources ? Or was your statement simply a vacuous assertion ?
The worste ones, certainly. He didn't say all attrocities were. That's a different statement to make and would be dishonest. If you want to quibble about what pagans have done, quibble on. It's an argument for Judeo-Christianity. Christians who violate others do so while also violating christian tenets. Pagans who violate others do so while upholding pagan tenets. We're all human; but, the difference is that Judeo Christianity seeks to do better in spite of ourselves.
are you saying that being anti-god is being antisemitic? did you know by the way that hitchens mother was jewish?
We miss you Hitch 😢
No matter how loud that guy screams, no God will hear him
Actually I never said you were unintelligent, on the contrary I said I couldn't see why you would insult your intelligence by saying Shumly made good points. Religious or not, one good point he did not make.
My comment implied that you were only disagreeing that Shumly's speaking in this debate was nothing more than 'screaming nonsense' because he shares your general belief. Even if I was religious I would have to admit he was horrid here, do not insult you intelligence by saying otherwise.
In light of the hawking epstein island revelation. Shmuleys comment he likes to hold babies seems a bit weird.
sooo.... he's saying that because i'm an atheist and beleive in evolution in which god played no part, that makes me a nazi.
nice guy.
The rabbi is even more of an insult to an insulting religion.
Shmuley is impossible to listen to.
If the audio hadn’t been so badly out of sync with the video i would have enjoyed it more. That said, these two debated at least four times over the years and here’s the score:
Hitchens - 4
Shmuley - 0
If this was the NBA finals it would be curtains for ol’ Shmules…
havoc, do you own a Bible ? It doesn't seem so . If you can't find inconsistancies, contradictions, historical inaccuracies, absurd claims, & plain wicked immorality, you haven't been reading. I'd be glad to give a you a massive list.
45 minute mark cracks me up.
40:38 WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS HE SHOUTING FOR?!
Wiped. The. Floor.
Calm down dear. Perhaps you have a cogent argument, but I failed to hear it amidst your bellowing and screeching.
I listened to Hitch then turned off shouty man. Shouting at me still won't make me believe.
The books allowed into the anthology are allowed based specifically on their consistency. That you haven't studied the stuff in context is your problem, not ours. And when you guys run on at the lip over "inconsistencies," they always wind up to be issues where you don't know what you're talking about, haven't bothered with context, and take issue anyway. Seems that Critiques of the Bible are required to forget basic grammer and word use.
An embarrassing showing for the Rabbi. I wonder if he knows that yelling at high volumes isnt the same thing as having an intellectual point.