Macron warns Western troops could join Ukraine war: should they? | LBC debate
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2024
- Earlier this week, the French President Emmanuel Macron gave a speech on the importance of Ukraine winning the war against Russia.
Macron did not rule out the possibility that French troops could be sent to Ukraine, arguing that Vladimir Putin is the 'aggressor' and cannot be allowed to win.
"We’re not in that situation today," he said, but then added “all these options are possible.”
On the back of this, LBC's Shelagh Fogarty asked her listeners whether they would accept Britain and other Western forces sending troops to fight in the war if it meant stopping Russia.
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If Ukraine was winning, why would nato want to send troops?
And why do they still begging for more weapons and ammo and military personal's and those taxpayer's billions of money.
Absolutely
Its easy to simplified. Why Ukraine lost most of its eastern territories????
Ukraine isn't winning, but neither is Russia, its lack of support that will hand Russia the victory theyre fighting for. The fact a war Russia thought would be done in 2 weeks is entering its 3rd year tella you a lot, against a country with no navy and barely an airforce to speak off that lacks long range weapons.
Wise words. Isn’t that obvious to anyone. We are being lied to. Mass media delusion
This woman is a disgrace she clearly knows nothing
She's doing her job 😂
What's wrong with you 😂
Look at the
French government
Germany government
UK US 😂
Unfortunately 99% of media personnel is just arrogant and delusional mouth piece puppets. She's smirking now but people like should be tied for treasonous misinformation.
👏but she "ownes" the microphone😂
@@user-sl9vx9gh9iyep, she keeps the narrative flowing, is it her job?
An utter Karen
Why are people talking about going to war against Russia…what has Russia done against us??? This lady is sickening to listen to…
The lady in the mic has no idea how this happened, it’s boris Johnson that put you into this
Boris is a war criminal, not only has he destroyrd Ukraine, ne has severely damaged UK.
100% CORRECT
THATS WHY U SAW RUSSIANS STOPPED AT KEY LOCATIONS DISMOUNTED AND WENT UNDERGROUND TO DESTROY THOSE LABS. TROOPS GATHERED ALL THE EVIDENCE. WHEN RUSSIA ATTEMPTED TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE AT THE U.N THEIR MICS WERE CUT OFF
SHE IS OBLIVIOUS
THE WEST WAS JUST USING UKRAINE AS POXY TO TEST RUSSIAN ABILITIES. UKRAINE HAS EMPTIED THE USA WEAPONS STOCK
This lady should go to the front line she has no clue what she is talking about
Miss piggy would surrender and tremble in paralyzing fear the second she sets foot on the front.
Putin called out nato over and over Putin will come after the US next .
100% ON POINT 'FOGARTY' HASN'T A CLUE HENCE THE READIN WHY SHE'S TALKING OFF MIC TO HER PRODUCER HANDLER...*LOOK AT HER LAUGHING WHAT A FEEBLE PRESENTER..WELL DONE CALLER LBC 0 - PUTIN 5❤💛💚👊🏾
This is the arrogance of the West at its best. Fortunately the West population has began to differ from their political leaders
Have you been there?
This lady is soooooo ignorant
Is that a lady not a lad?
@@jemler3speak That's offensive!!! she is a lady, a pretty one too, just that she is lost in the maze of her ignorance
She's very arrogant.
For once someone is speaking the truth and she can't cope.
She is intentionally pretending to be according to the official policy and obediently following it.
Did she cut the first caller off for speaking facts counter productive to the narrative?
A man telling the truth and granny making fun of him. It’s easy to wash a deluded granny’s brain.
The fact that Shelagh sits and sniggers down her microphone at some valid points tells you all you need to know about her arrogance!!
Ignorance too.
You forgot stupidity!!
@@stewartmills9998 She may have a 'Reprobate' Mind as well.
110% ON POINT 😂😂😂..❤️💛💚👊🏾
@@andrewhart6377THE ARROGANCE OF HER LAUGHING,BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN SCHOOLED 100%!! ❤️💛💚👊🏾
As an Englishman married to a Russian woman and an ex British soldier living in Krasnagorsk. Moscow I'm not the least bit surprised by her ignorance. The first caller was spot on.
Tell you what lady you and your ilk along with the Western government leaders, you go and fight for Ukraine.
America started this war by proxy with Russia.
B.S. Russia started this war because they couldn’t put in their puppet government like they did in Belarus. And annexed Crimea because it’s the only warm weather port because the rest of their country is a frozen tundra. Russia has a history of being aggressive against their neighbors: Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukraine.
Do you live in Russia ?
Just said he did
You are so spot buddy, I was raised during cold war in Czechoslovakia as my dad served with air force at the foremost Warszaw pact airfield in Zatec and I witnessed ton of daily practice and perfecting the skill of mobile warfare. People in the West has literally zero fooking clue how powerful Soviet army was let alone current Russian army that's even better. I always had massive respect to their soldiers and to this day have lots of Russian friends❤
Then I say bring it . Unlike your country I will never be ruled by another and told what to do
Latest news, French people are protesting against macron talking about sending troops into Ukraine.
She cut him off and then started stuttering and babbling gibberish and laughing off facts!! Sack her or your news agency losses all credibility.
Anyone advocating for war when they are not ready to fight in the first line is a despicable human being
They are willing to send our kids to war, while their pockets get fuller of our tax money.
Those in invading neighbouring states or threatening them are advocating war. For others it's a sooner, or a potentially more just and lasting, peace
Couldn’t agree with you more
@@dfitzize Agree with who?
Russian Bot with that user name.
She's laughing now but be the first one to squeal when WWIII breaks out.
Exactly
It’s propaganda she cannot accept the facts from the caller or Lec will lose license
She’s laughing because the guy knows nothing about the war.
@@spendor9377You don’t have a scooby doo, the caller is right, it would be a disaster. If you don’t think so go conscript and find out for yourself.
Don’t talk about a world war. It’s straight shoot out between the west and Russia. The Indians and Africans aren’t foolish to join you. IT’s European and American war
Putin has offered peace, NATO has refused 3 times. What's wrong with this picture?
He lies. All the time. Zelinsky will not deal with him. Putin uses peace talks to buy time to mobilize and equip his army.
You are not throwing money, you are throwing toilet paper. Money printed out of thin air is a toilet paper.
Yes, but we get paid in that same paper...
@@Noksivs you are right, you are paid with that paper and then you use it to buy stuffs from others. If the printed money only stays in your country, it's all fair and square. Unfortunately it's not the case.
Are they the same french soldiers that got thrown out of Niger 😂
And chad and mali and Guinea Bissau , safari army hopeless lot .
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they arent french they never use french its always the legion
Unprofessional conduct by the host - all that childish giggling…pathetic.
Its all they have: mock and giggle - they literally have nothing else.
Okay comrade.
Russian bots are lively on this thread.
What else they can do except giggling they're on loosing side nobody buying their propaganda anymore
@@MB-to5gl you also have nothing to say so just giggle
The Russians have a 10-1 advantage in artillery, even more when it comes to missiles and they also have air superiority. How could the casualty rate possibly be in Ukraine's favour. It's not. Now admitting this don't make you pro-Russia or a Putin lover. It's just facts, and if you really care about Ukraine and Ukrainian lives you should take those in to account.
Who says Russia has a 10-1 advantage? Who would really know? You think any smart army would share with the open media anything about their capabilities or incapabilities?..Get serious dude
Zelensky was ready to make the peace deal in March 2022 until Body bags Boris Johnson got to Ukrainian to change everything so that America can continue money laundering.
The caller is a very rare person. In the English Language we used to call a person like him Honest... it means a person who doesn't deliberately tell lies. I love ancient history
Let these people that believe in this war, send their children…
I fear one way or another all our children will be fighting
Believe in the war? The war is real, it was started by Russia. It's easy to spout pointless lines like this but what's your answer? Everyone turns their backs and let Russia have whatever country they point at?
@@reemul2001there you go again with your fear mongering, the only country Russia has an issue with is Ukraine
Vacuous virtual signal.
@@reemul2001 fill your boots mate
It looks to me this lady is not qualified to host a show like this.
You need to wake up first.
He knows the truth but the establishment media have their orders to keep the narrative going!
She's not. Whether the caller is accurate or not, she cannot discuss or question it.
She runs a cooking show ,actually....
all journalists are on the same state ...ignorant and sold....
Who is this lady she is clueless
The caller gets it. He is 100% spot on.
Shelagh O'Fogarty's knowledge of military matters is precisely zero.
Her knowledge of anything is piffle.
She comes across as rude, arrogant, disrespectful and patronising.
Putin has every right to self defence 😂
If that
@@wolfenstein6676and very ill informed
I didn’t know Victoria Nuland had a sister in the UK!
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The Cookie Gobbler
Russia is playing chess. We are playing checkers. 😬
Russia is a paper tiger that has spent two years unable to beat Ukraine
Much worse. Russia is playing chess while we keep eating crackers 😊
And we're playing with ourselves
There was a press conference that President Putin and Macron had where Putin agreed that the strength and potential of all the NATO countries was more than that of Russia. I believe he said, "we know", then he mentioned that Russia had more nukes and more advanced capabilities in that area and other weapon systems. What he was saying for those who want to listen is that he's aware that a conventional war will be lost by Russia therefore he would not start one, but if NATO starts one Russia is prepared to nuke them even if that means mutual destruction. he once said that a world without Russia would not be a world worth living in.
The thing is these western politicians are just postering. Mulling strength in speech. They have said more on media than they are willing to even do for Ukraine.
The problem is these might escalate too quickly.
She is so naive and believes the nonsense she told to spread. If I get called up, those “in charge” will learn the meaning of Fragging very quickly.
Agreed 💯
It will be like the press gangs in Ukraine...
Yea and so will you
Don’t fight… it’s not OUR war !
Put a hamburger on the front lines, she will enter the fight
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😂😅@@siviunative5241
LOL
She is not respectful
Any Western County that deployed to Ukraine would be annihilated. Warfare has changed so much, NATO is not prepared. They don't have the Artillery, they don't have the Air Defence and they don't have the Drones.
The first caller Simon, was try to explain this to thus lady, but I don't think she understands.
War experts have been warning NATO for too many years to not expand the boundaries of Russia if they didn't want to start a WW3 yet thru ignored everything.
Let Macron, Sunak and old Joe go to the front line and fight
Macron is the only one pushing the awful idea
Ol' Joe has said many, many times that he will never put American boots on the ground in Ukraine, because it would mean WW3.
Very correct 😅
😂True
@@MrCaleb. Because Russia is already fighting French and French are loosing..
The gentleman speaks truth in its purest form. It is too painful for western pundits. The woman is totally clueless.
The problem is people wanting to argue something they know nothing about... The way you said it even irritated me 🤦
The lady... Not you sorry
Yeah. Anything is true when you WANT to believe it.
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb It's not when we want to believe but when we are well informed... In other words, I was already following the problem before it happened, so I know exactly the truth and not what the media invented after it happened
The guys saying Russia is winning, but I beg to differ. Ukraine is tactically in another league to the Russian Army. 900 Russian troops a day are dying or seriously injured.
NATO has only fought farmers, guerrillas and poor global South armies, never a real professional army that has the backing of 6,000 nuclear warheads. Totally different situation, they know it. MADS
History tells us Europeans has always provoked russians and went to war with russia but catastrophically defeated by the brave russians. Ask the french and germans..
These politicians are living in cuckoo land.
They need to speck the truth
Have not watched this, so what is it they should do?
What do you call an adult person that has all letter combinations but iq? politician 😂🫵
They always are that's why they NATO are losing respect around the world.
No French 🍟
Sheila is a terrible disingenuous host, she's also extremely ignorant and quite frankly rude in her mockery of people who really do know more than she is willing to learn!
The guy thought Russia could match with the most advanced economy in the world America and the whole of NATO that spends trillions on defence and the most sophisticated weapons and largest airforce in the world. You need to look up the highway of death footage in Iraq and you will know why Putin is reasonable to claim he will use a tactical nuclear weapon if boots on the ground occurs in Ukraine.
This guy doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. He believes the Russian propaganda what isn’t true the weapons have been proved not to be what they say. A American Bradley armoured vehicle took out two of Russian most advanced tanks🤣 how is that even possible ?
@@darren6076 - Evidently you believe the Western propaganda, Ukraine has lost 500.000 not 50.000 you should watch UK Column News and The Duran also The Grayzone, at this point ignorance of such geopolitical affairs is a choice!
@@darren6076What is Russian's most advanced tanks in your eyes? Have the T-14's been sent to the frontlines? I thought Russia didn't have enough
@@tempejklyoure right they dont. They cant even get the T14 engine to work, let alone fix their crippled economy and war production enough to afford to produce more than a few
Interesting to watch how MSM hosts react to informed people with different viewpoints from the ones given them, especially from somebody outside their bubble. Very, very rare for them to allow themselves to be open to this kind of discussion.
The only Kiev she knows anything about is a Chicken Kiev.
This is the person that said on her @LBC show that unvaccinated people should have their coffee poisoned…what a piece of work
Nicely put and I’m unvaccinated and doing rather well watching others getting sicker month by month
This caller is a truth teller and spot on.
Bless her she has absolutely no idea of what she's talking about
Is this woman ok? She said Russia has lost more people than Ukraine
And the dude thinks Russians have a better army than the USA 😂 they are both hilarious
I wonder if she has the slightest idea bout the hypersonic situation
I think you should probably widen your reading, sebby. if you actually read any news at all. 80% of the world's population and GDP is on Russia's side, as well as hypersonic tech the west doesn't have.
if the hypersonic hootis were to attack Israel, if Hizbollah were to have hypersonic by the 'end of the war', if one single hypersonic hit an israeli town, the FTSE would collapse and LBC would be among many media organisations living with even more pay cuts and even more firings and downsizing and begging bowls
I am the banker from the British system who most naively would have stood by and saved people like Fogarty from their fate, because I am now faster than Soros, when it comes to derivatives. I am THE best
but fogarty and co have shown me their true colours. arrogance always undermines itself.
@@Sebby6666He didn't say that.
He said the Ukrainians are goodbon the ground, but the Russian tactics and technology has improved from 40 years ago, with an accurate defense system which can obliterate anything sightable, which can make USA aerial prowess not effect.
@@Sebby6666let's be honest. Russia won world war 2 for everyone and get no thanks. the Americans couldnt even deal with the Japanese so they had to resort to drastic measures, they couldn't handle the Vietnamese and neither of them could handle the afgans . I don't really have much faith in either of them.
Listen to Col Douglas Macgregor and Scott Ritter, Col Richard Black Col Tony Shaffer, David Davis.
Add Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, Prof. jeffrey Sachs and prof. John Mearsheimer to that list
Erratum. Daniel Davis
Even if she did listen to all or even any one of those men, she would not understand. The idiocy of West today is literally unfathomable.
Shes clueless
In the battle of Indonesia, Japan lost 700 soldiers and took the USA and its allies lost 100,000 soldiers, included 48,000 American, British, Dutch soldiers.
The USA lost Korean war, Vietnam war, Afghanistan war.
The US hasn’t been successful in any of its ridiculous wars since WW2 and it needed Russia to win then! Lol
As an ex British Army Soldier this man is spot on. The UK is woefully ill prepared.
Its a money laundering scam, we have been lied to regarding the progress.
She can’t even control what she puts in her mouth
Let alone what comes out of it!
She can - she put a truck load of kebabs and chips into it by the ton, lol!
@@greaterbayareahero1401 Replace "control" with _restrain_ Even though you could argue that if you can't "restrain" it you can't "control" it.
What she was mimicking there in her mouth
Outstanding 😂
She wants a bowl of chips, not to interview this guy. She is not listening to this expert, she laughs and gets constantly distracted. She needs course on being polite.
The caller is absolutely correct in all he is saying!
Shelagh is delusional, wakeup
Absolutely.. she’s insane
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This woman is embarrassed to this program. She talking about topics and smiling at guest like she is some Field Marshall. What he says is the facts.
She is not a woman I don't know how to named her.
The caller provides better information than most western MSM.
That first man is right about every point. The british armed forces aren't capable of running their own training exercises 😂 let alone go to war 😂. This host better not have children because theyll be dying in a frozen wastland. The army will be drafting within the first 2 months if that 😂😂😂😂
The first caller was absolutely spot on, he did not sound like someone who was just blabbing jibberish. I believe the host should look into the things he said...she will find that she is the one who is misinformed.
Ignorant people are generally the most confident in their convictions and the most arrogant. I don’t think she’d bother.
The ones routing for war ought to go first.
I 100 percent agree 💯
Agree
Exactly.
What the putin? The only one who wanted this war, shouldn't he be sent to the front line?
With Boris Johnson going first.
Those regions she claims are Ukraine voted to be separated from Ukraine. Then Ukraine bombed those people the past 8,years. You can’t just know part of the story .
I live in a small central-European country. The most expensive car I saw today was a Maserati SUV - with Ukrainian license plates.
Why is my small country still helping to fund this war?
He knows what he's talking about. She doesn't. Simple.
He literally doesn’t know anything about
You're coping hard lol
He's in cloud cuckoo land, she knows this
@@opensizheyou are in cuckoo land euro boy
@@shreddedguy679 He makes claims that contradict all evidence, makes up bizarre hyperbolic nonsense, simply calls reality a lie while giving nothing for his claimed views.
Don't laugh Shelagh we are talking dead soldiers, with wives and families
That thing should be sacked...unbelievable behaviour..as for the French getting involved, they invented surrender
How ignorant. Russia is not looking to destroy Ukraine like the usa, nato, israel do
Russia is not bombing the country like what the west goes into other countries
Russia is destroying Ukraine on a daily basis...
Russia thinks Ukraine should not exsist has a sovereign nation , look what they have done to numerous Ukrainian towns and cites you are living in cloud cukkoo land!!.
I mean correct me if I'm wrong, butil isn't Russians killing Ukraine citizens or it it the west.
@@mikekonkola1231He's gonna have to put some Russian thought into that one. The same reasoning as when they say "Russia is just protecting itself from the west by stealing Ukrainian territory and resources."
A PROXY WAR THAT AMERICA WONT WIN…Fogarty is totally clueless
They've never won sny proxy war.
Hear Hear
What evidence? Because you and he have a feeling? 🙄Who even is this guy? What makes him so knowledgeable? Considering, he's flat out wrong about U.S. capability, I don't think he is.
Did I say it right comrade colonel?
@@WhacAmole Inform yourself after 2 yrs of War or stay blind, copy this link and listen:
David Sacks: A War of Lies / the Lies we've been sold about Ukraine Russia War
The caller is 100% correct.
Simon knows what he is saying. You asked if Russia is a problem for Nato, It is plain to see what you asked is right. A country that is no problem for Nato would be destroyed already. Iraq, Libya, and many more were destroyed for being too weak.
Shelagh is slowly morphing into Nick Ferrari, she nothing but a propagandist and a gaslighter
I absolutely agree. She has no Idea about this particular issue. Really terrible standard of broadcasting. Totally ignorant
This woman has know idea this man is hapselutly spot on for the americans to put soldiers in the east they would need supplying by air by sea very difficult
Nailed it western propaganda
I think she is Nick Ferrari
For Fogarty to laugh at this based and knowledgeable caller is not only reprehensible and it shows just how much contempt she and her station have for ordinary people and the truth!
She laughs because she knows very well she will not go to fight the war herself. She's happy to see others dying.
How do you know it's knowledgeable?
Who is the caller, do you know?
The first caller was astoundingly ignorant, spouting Kremlin propaganda and talking points and foolishly taking as honest and accurate the various claims of Russia’s (routinely exaggerated) military capabilities.
Whilst apparently completely unaware that the NATO weapons the Ukrainians have been using to such devastating effect are mostly not the latest and greatest but rather the near obsolete often multiple generations out of date remnants of NATO’s back catalogue.
That’s why Fogarty (and many, many others) were laughing at him.
Because everything he said is correct. Russia is outproducing shells, ammunition and new weapons seven times faster than the whole of NATO countries combined and logistics is the number one requirement in any war and I can tell you exactly why. It is because Russian weapons and Ammunition are all produced in house from materials to manufacture (Russia has the worlds largest reserves of raw materials. Western weapons and ammo rely on parts and materials and chemicals from hundreds of different companies from numerous different countries all over the world which includes China for chemicals to make explosives by the way, so ramping up production for NATO can be almost impossible but Russia whose government controls the production rather than for profit share holders can and has ramped up production over night. Russia also has the best air defense system in the world with the S400 and S500. They also have hypersonic missiles which can and are taking out our stuff before we even know its coming. Ukraine losses have been huge like he said around half a million killed and probably double that number injured and maimed. Ukraine are now kidnapping people off the streets to send to the front line there are videos of this all over the internet they are that desperate. They are sending women and anyone between 18 and 60 years old to the front line and they have asked other countries to forcibly send back people who have left the country so that they can be forcibly send them to the front line. The truth is that Ukraine has turned into a scrap yard for NATO weapons @@SimonParker-hv6uu
The caller is correct, Ukraine has lost.
He's right ✅️
NATO needs to get their act together and push for peace between Russia and Ukraine...
NATO need to stop Russia's bullying in Ukraine, send the boys in I say it's about time,
You let bullys get away with it, they keep doing it
NATO isn't exactly known for its expertise in conflict resolution. It's a lobby group for the war industry.
This all about NATO , Ukraine broke the Minsk Agreements Victoria Nuland is on tape saying F. The EU and lining up a proxy war for America who are NATO.
@@user-zi4mn6tf1eDear Russian bot…countries decided to join NATO because they were bullied by Russia.
NATO? You're kidding.
If NATO thought Russia was a push over, they would have sent troops to Ukraine within 48 hrs.. assessment by Simon is accurate, Fogarty can only giggle like an adolescent school girl.
Nope. Ukraine is not a member of NATO so it could not be directly involved. If it had gone in Putin would have destroyed the planet.Simon is a complete merchant banker.
Nato didn’t want nuclear war. Since then we see what Russia has done and it’s horrific. We also see how hard the Ukrainians want freedom. Folks aren’t getting that macron said nothing should be ruled out. That should of been the position from the start. Russia is the enemy of Europe.
What economic advantage would that be to the West, the cost is far too great ? Just look what happened to Germany after the wall came down.
If Nato was in this war, russia would be over
Er....the only reason Russia has any troops in Ukraine is because they have nuclear weapons. If they didn't then they would never have dared. Do you have any idea how powerful NATO is compared to Russia? It's like comparing China and Thailand.
Everyone in Ukraine is a gangster until the Fat Angry Bear (FAB1500) shows up to ferk up. 😂😂😂
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Your guest is absolutely 100% right Shelagh.
That a pair of MiG 31s can deal with the USAF?
The funny thing is why we sent a lot of money over there while we have millions of
homeless suffering all over our country 😢😢
Oh, so we shouldn’t send them anything because there are homeless people? I’m sure you’d be singing a different tune if you lived there. “I’m alright Jack”
@@spendor9377You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about! This a proxy war by the West in the Ukraine who have no chance whatsoever in winning in this conflict and have lost so many men and women. If you took the time to do some research on the area you would understand but I don’t suppose you will? If the money spent on war was used instead to eradicate poverty and the homeless no matter where they are in the world the world would be a better place!
@@spendor9377 We have queues outside food banks, homelessness rising, cost of living crisis, doctors striking because of pay and you think we have endless money pots to give to Ukraine?
@@nathanj8849 What you don’t get is the fact that we are not only helping save lives of Ukrainian, but getting rid of a lot of old weapons that will be decommissioned in the upcoming years. Decommissioning weapons is a very expensive process. Also, by helping Ukraine, Britain is opening doors for trade and tech businesses in the future. Ukraine has great industrial capabilities, which will make it economically powerful in the future. Goes without saying that after the war, Hungary won’t be offered lucrative business deals with them. By not helping Ukraine now, many Ukrainians will die and Britain won’t benefit from Ukraine becoming one of the big economic powers in Europe. Yours is is truly heartless and short sighted viewpoint.
@@spendor9377 your viewpoint is mainly about trade and business. I’m talking about the big problems that we have within our own country. You’re speaking as if we as the people are going to benefit from trade with Ukraine?
What business do you have within the sectors that you mentioned that’s going to see you personally make money?
I don’t care about money that I’m not going to see or isn’t going to benefit the people. I’m sure the decommissioning of weapons will just go into funding more weaponary for our defence budget. Thats benefiting the big corporations and whatever dodgy politician is seeing it through.
Ukraine are out here sinking everyone’s money faster than the titanic and you think they will become a superpower after this war with Russia? No offence but I think that’s delusional. We have done a lot to help. We have to help ourselves now
This caller Simon was awesome, I was applauding him as he spoke to Shelagh. She simply relies on UK sources of information which are establishment sources for client journalists.
I like the fact that she's waving and smiling whilst not paying attention and then cut him off.
The war IS over and any Peace agreement will be on Russia's terms. Ukraine is finished as a country because their economy has collapsed, they've lost thousands of men and the corruption hasn't been abetted.
British journalism at its worst.
Spot on, a pleasure to read.
It's the guy from the duran
Spain was ruled by blacks for 750 years.
Huns and Avars were from Mongolia.
Hungarians and Turkish were from Asia.
In the battle of Singapore, Japan lost 1000 soldiers and took 100,000 POWs.
THE BLOODBATH MUST BE STOPPED FOR THE SAKE OF POOR UKRAINIAN PEOPLE AND KIDS!
Dialogue dialogue dialogue for a lasting peace
She just doesn’t get it
She's employed to not get it.
"I can't argue against what she's saying so I'll just remark how she doesn't get it somehow"
Ah yes, a very intelligent move.
The second gentleman should have said: "No there is no problem if Putin wins this conflict (it's a special military operation not a war) because he has no ambitions to govern hostile people!"
This man speaks the truth, people should listen
What a caller he hit every point , straight to the facts .
lol facts? He said 100,000 french troops would be wiped out by the Russians. They can't even wipe out the 10,000 Ukrainian Foreign Legion troops that have been there for the past 18 months. The French by themselves would destroy the Russian army in Ukraine, as would the British. If you don't know that then you really haven't been paying attention to the past 60 years of military history.
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If the United States steals $600 billion of Russian investments, then all countries will not invest money in American investments. The United States always steals money, resources (Syria oil), steals loans that are invested in America.
@@TransoceanicOutreach You should stop smoking angel dust.
@@GrecoCalabrese Another lefty hoping and counting on failure of others to make themselves feel better.
@@TransoceanicOutreachyou realize that Ukraine is on its 3rd army and scrapping the bottom of the barrel and kidnapping disabled people to fight? But yeah cope harder, “Russia is loosing”🤡
This person Shelagh Fogarty laughing and sniggering at the fact that Russia are obliterating Ukraine. Rancid is the word I'm looking for. Absolutely Rancid.
Russia has been attacking Ukraine for two years and is far away from "obliterating it". Russian losses are staggering.
@@ericreckless541 your opinion doesn't change the fact that this person was sniggering and sneering . RANCID, RANCID, RANCID... It's like they forget the cameras are on. RANCID, RANCID, RANCID.... You need to look at other sources rather than your western mainstream legacy media. Some people are easy fooled.
Russia has been at war with the Ukraine for over ten years! Get your facts right
@@ericreckless541Russia a) doesn't want to destroy Ukraine, it wants to demilitarize it (and it succeeds), it could have destroyed Ukraine in a month and b) it doesn't wage a war, it conducts a special military operation - compare to Israel.
Prof. Mearsheimer (Chicago University) said in an interview that Israelis killed more civilians in a month after October, 7 than Russians in the two years. Approach and goals are completely different.
@@dlmdee Thank you for pointing out the truth my friend. The Ukranian ethnicity is a fraud.
This shows how naive Europe and the US are, they still view Russia as if its the 1990s post soviet state
Is very simple, they think that if they attack Russia from Ukraine that Russia will not response ... If war start against NATO, Russia will destroy all satellite and shot all NATO surveillance plains.
It is, and it is a joke.
@@michaelshannon3019 west is joke 🤡
It is. Are you kidding. What rock have you been hiding under?
@@michaelshannon3019 🤡🤡🤡
This lady would scare all Russian army with her attitude.
She thoroughly deserves how she looks. 😂😂😂
Shelagh says 'Russias invasion of Ukraine is completely different to UK/US invasion of Iraq'.
Could she explain why they are different? Is it that Iraq did nothing to provoke the UK/US? Is it that Russia hasnt been doing shock and awe bombing campaigns?
I would love to know what she means.
It is completely different, Iraq is nowhere near a Western border, Ukraine is right on the Russian border. If anything, the Russians at least are in the same region.
@@russelbamberry1385 Were the invasions by the US/British legal? Do you know why the Global South does not support the West in punishing Russia? because they look at Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria... and now Palestine they know the so-called hypocritical double standards
They never mention 2014, overthrow of legitimate leader.
Russian and Ukrainian are the same people in the same ground is a national fight not international this is the issue.
She is only on the air because of DEI, certainly not on merit.
I don’t know why the LBC presenter is smiling because she does not want to hear the truth
Tha truth? We're suppose to beleve that ignorant , who sais America is done if they ever decide to participate in this war ?
@@stratorunner1 Hi Runner
I would recommend you have a look at the RUclips videos from: Scott Ritter, Col. Douglas MacGregor, and Professor John Mearsheimer. All 3 of them are Americans. Their opinions are very different from the narrative of the MSM, but the 3 of them seem to have a common belief.
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Why bother. Scott Ritter has been comprehensively wrong about the Russian invasion for two years now.
@@magnificentbastard5085Have you looked at the YT videos of the other 2 people I mentioned?
@@michaelmaguire9330
I know about the 3 people you mentioned and what they have claimed and how wrong those claims have been.
Ritter and MacGregor are analogous to a man trying to predict the finishing time of a marathon runner. “He’s going to cross the finishing line in the next five minutes” they say. Every five minutes for the last 16 hours…
At this point it has long since ceased to be possible to portray this as a prediction based on evidence and analysis. Even if that marathon runner does eventually finish “in the next five minutes” they can’t be considered to have correctly predicted this.
At this point continuing to listen to what they have to say as if it were accurate and/or honest is a delusional waste of time.
The professor has made numerous and consequential errors in the factual basis of his thesis. His failure to correct those and reevaluate, coupled with his thesis often being at significant odds with historical reality, means he is not worth listening to on this subject.
Was she bothered when we invaded Iraq Afghanistan
Simmon should've his own podcast. He sounded far more intellectual and learned than all LBC anchors combined.
And why do they always think Russia is going to fight alone. If NATO gets involved. The Chinese North Koreans and Iranians will come in to support Russia and probably a few others as well.
Fact
China likely wouldn’t, but they might support Russia financially and with providing equipment and supplies. North Koreans and Iranians are likely to help out if Putin really needed the help.
So true. But then the problem is that they believe their own 🐂 💩. They genuinely believe that Russia is "isolated" despite the FACT that the vast majority of the world is NOT sanctioning them. And continues to do trade and diplomacy with them. Not to mention they belong to international blocs like BRICS and the Shanghai cooperation organisation. Direct war with NATO = WW3. Plain and simple.
@@IrradioManthey wouldn't initially but as a known ally of Russia they will be treated like a war time enemy by the west- sanctions and discrimination will hurt their economy and way of living- coup attempts and coercion of their enemies in their geographical location- all of this will eventually cause China to "defend itself" or perish. I wish the west wasn't so bent on taking over the world it's really going to go bad for everyone if that ever happens. Life as you know it, will be gone.
Yes....our world worryingly is completely divided
Shelagh. Who added around 15 countries to NATO and is now on Russia's doorstep. That's right. NATO.
Hey Ivan
Why would NATO purposely want to get into a fight with Russia
@@callofdutyguy9 Are you kidding me?
The caller is spot on. She's clueless
If we were talking doughnuts then maybe Shelagh could be authoritative.
Not on miltary matters tho.
Quality 😂😂😂
@@sydneyhardial2669
Q : How easy would it be to get Shelagh into bed?
A : Piece o cake!
What people like Shelagh ignore is that Russia tried to avoid this confrontation. For eight years they tried to use the Minsk accords to find a diplomatic solution only to be faced with the truth as expressed by Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande that the accords were bogus and meant to prepare for war. Well the west and Ukraine got their war. Putin and Russia were never the problem it was always the conniving, underhand west who pushed this war with NATO expansion and regime change which gave rise to this catastrophy.
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Ok then. Go read the Minsk accord. Tell me how it could work with Russia not being bound by it but Ukraine is
Wrong, Russia made "peace treaty" demands that they knew in advance that NATO would never be able to agree to, just go look for > Russia issues list of demands to NATO - DW < the 17. December 2021 and you will find that Russia did not only make demands regarding Ukraine, but also was demanding the end of all NATO military activity and bases in all of eastern Europe and Central Asia, and that there would be no further expansion of NATO.
Demands that Russia knew in advance would be rejected, so they could use it as an excuse to later put the blame on NATO for their invasion of Ukraine, that they obviously had already planned a very long time in advance.
Russia broke the accords by keeping proxies and PMCs in Ukraine. Ukraine raised this with the UN and had this blocked by Russia
@@opensizhe I think you'll find that your view is a shame western narrative. Isn't it wonderful how individual french foreign legion, sas and marines can go to Ukraine without the same uproar and isn't it wonderful that you completely ignore the western sponsored coup in the first place.
The host of this broadcast is not informed and not a professional host
I didn't know the Victoria Nuland came out with a British variant
Macron means US and British soldiers. He will send the French chefs to feed them 😂
This guy is telling the truth about the war that woman doesn't have a clue about the war
A rare situation where someone is speaking the truth in main stream media.