Ike gives Patton a reprimand
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2009
- April 1944, George S Patton's participation in D-Day hangs in the balance after this reprimand from the Supreme Allied Commander, Dwight D Eisenhower.
From the movie Ike: Countdown to D-Day, filmed in NZ 
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The "God damn it, George. Shut up!" Always gets to me for some reason. Such great and simple delivery
Probably the best line Selleck ever delivered...because it was perfect.
He wasn't wrong about the communism war lmfao.
@@chandlerwalrath9347 ???
Warsaw Pact was super authoritarian and busted worker unions and socialist cooperative groups
Looking back on it, I think George was right about what was gonna happen in the future (our present). Maybe that's why they killed him.
@@samiam1254 Who is "they" ?
All wise men fear three things:
1. The sea in a storm.
2. The night with no moon.
3. The anger of a gentle man.
Indeed well said!
@@MaloPiloto thank you.
Kingkiller?
We needed both types of men to win the war. We needed a grizzled, hardened, combat commander who understood the realities of war. And we needed a brilliant logistician and more kindhearted man to keep the other in balance.
Ike and Patton filled those rolls perfectly. The brains and the brawn. I mean, all due respect to Ike. He did trade shots with Mexican rebels a few times from what I have read and didn't flinch. So if he were sent to France, I am sure he would have been every bit the combat man that his piers were. But his main strength was in organization and tempering his more bull-headed generals. Two absolute legends. Two heroes. I just hope that despite their differences they learned to appreciate each other by the end of it all.
Whenever IKE needed a miracle he would usually turn to general Patton for it and more often than not get it.
you need a woman for the job!
We would have been just fine without Patton. Not so with Ike, and especially Marshall...
Ike was not top of his class in military school, was not the first in line for being the supreme commander but FDR knew he would be a stern Marshall. He could demand discipline, earn respect from politicians in every allied and occupied country and was very savvy diplomatically and administratively, and could handle the immense job he had in organizing the whole western offensive. Patton was a fine field commander and tactician and brave as hell, a real soldier. But Ike was indispensable.
@@cronistamundano8189 Patton was a tool. Ike and Marshall decided how the tool would be used.
This is a terrific war movie, a war movie about what happened behind the front. And this is without a doubt the best performance in Tom Selek's career.
No doubt. I think this was his breakout role, in which he showed that he was more than a sex symbol, but quite a fine actor.
Possibly but I do like him in Paradise
One of his best, that's for sure.
Never got enough heavy dramatic roles before he became famous for Magnum PI which has shaddowed him ever since - great show but would understand if he resented it as wll a bit hence the Jessie Stone movies he does occasionally. If he was emerging today he would have been a great choice for Jack Reacher?
Everyone is going to have their own opinion on which movie was his best. It's hard to argue with those who would say, _Monty Walsh_ is at the top of their list. 😀
The "Goddamn it, George." gets me every time.
"Shut UP" LOL
Better delivered when Karl Malden (who playedGeneral Bradley) said that to George C. Scott when he played Patton.
It just feels so genuine especially the 'Shut up!' 😂
@Sabrina Dugan crony capitalism...now, get me a sammich
Ike said GD a lot lol. Even as President
"Goddamnit George, shut up." You can definitely hear a lot of history between them with just those four little words.
This is such an underrated movie. A war movie without a single battle....without a single shot. But, it showed the real drama of the event. From the butting of heads of the generals with different opinions that Ike had to manage, to the suffocating pressure Ike felt to get it right, and, most interesting of all (and almost completely unknown), the unbelievable importance of getting the weather forecast right, and the role Stagg played. Stagg and his people managed to peg the forecast for the day exactly right....when even now, with all the radar and tools the weather still ends up confounding meteorologists. Almost as much as all the combined tactics of Fortitude combined, it was the Allies detecting the brief lull, when the Germans did not (and thus felt an invasion would be impossible) that created such surprise on D-Day. Rommel was so convinced the lousy weather would mean no invasion, that he actually left Germany and went home to visit his family.
Ike was also a underrated and underappreciated President, America's economic golden age was under his leadership.
What’s the name of the movie? Thanks.
@@wanderingnomad1 Ike: Countdown to D-Day.
The Allies had captured most of the German Weather Stations & trawler ships that could have sent back the information
Ike should have seen what Stalin was doing
“Communism is for next war” Patton was spot on there.
A war that never deployed directly.
@@melquizedec well vietnam, korea, Afghanistan, cuba. tiny based wars fighting communism. Not usa v ussr in a nuclear war.
Even Japan fears the soviet union especially after the second that's why surrendered communist are atheists they would have destroyed anything to do with religion in Japan including the emperor Patton was right pluss eisenhower was looking into politics
The ENEMY OF MY ENEMY.
@@michaelhunting2868 Eisenhower was right. A racial war against the USSR across a starving Europe would have caused communism to spread like wildfire.
Ike wasn't a battlefield general, but he might be the best organizer/logistical/overall commander to ever live.
Clerk
Ike is a great case-in-point of how it’s not the best guy that should take the lead, but the right one. Ike could manage effectively all the megalomaniacs among his colleagues
Finest damm clerk general MacArthur ever had lol
@@tinafoster8665 MacArthur was a self serving, egomaniacal, borderline insane prick.
@@tinafoster8665 Funny for a guy who lost Philippines and Korea to make fun of IKE.
Sorry, George C. Scott’s Patton was and always will be the best interpretation.
Don't have to be sorry about anything, any actor would love to play him regardless of your feelings
Scott played Patton the way Patton himself would have wanted himself to be portrayed. But mark my words, there’s going to be some smart kid who will re-dub Patton’s dialogue with a computerized re-creation of his actual voice and it’s going to shock everyone. For what its worth, McRaney is oddly closer in voice to the real Patton.
The movie wasn’t about Patton. But yes he did.
What's really funny is how different Patton sounded than George C. Scott. You expect to hear Scott's loud, gravely voice and instead you hear a high pitched, soft voice from Old Blood & Guts himself.
This version is more accurate to the actual Patton tho
“Slapping a shell shocked soldier is never permissible!!!”
You’re damned right
Live in War....then tell Me that
@@nicoangel690 you tell a dude who just saw his buddy as a turret gunner getting mangled in half after their vehicle getting flipped over by an ied to get over it
@@nicoangel690 combat vet here.
you NEVER hit a shell shelked soilder.
NEVER
that is your bother, whos mind has been torn apart by the enemy. if you think hitting him is going to help him put himself back toghter, your to stupid to even look at a gun
@@nicoangel690 I think you need a slap
@@nicoangel690 EVERYONE has a breaking point. Some faster then other's. Some it comes out in other ways. It all depends on the person. I would try not to judge them. Because You never know where yours just might be. One of the toughest men I met was in Special Forces. Green Berets he never showed any sign of thing's bothering him. One day he saw a little kid he would talk to and play soccer with and give candy to get shot and die. He cried like a baby and had to be sent out because he was in such a state of grief. He couldn't function.
Little did Ike know that Joe already considered them the enemy.
Ike didn't trust the Russians, either. However, the one thing the US and its allies could afford was having the Soviet Union sign a separate peace treaty with the Germans, similar to what they did in WWI, which would have allowed the Germans to move troops from the Eastern Front westward to bulk up their defenses. That's why he was sensitive, maybe oversensitive, to any comments like ones Patton often made.
@@gregford2103 i think it was the other way around with Joe worried the germans would sue for peace with the americans and brits and the western allies being too naive to see beyond their noses when it came to comunism and the violence it would continue to ignite worldwide. Anyway history is history and if it wasnt for the events of the of pre and postwar i wouldnt have been born, i will continue to live a decent life for those who saw theirs cut short.
@@captain0080 There was incredible distrust on both sides. The simple fact is the British, US, Russian alliance was a fragile one, but it held together long enough to defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. The world is a better place because the Allies prevailed.
Oh right! Joe Stalin could have run his army all the way to Gibraltar if he would have wanted to, and kicked off ANY American British or French army. The fact he didn't says a lot that people like you apparently can't hear. The reason for the Cold war was simply American nuclear development, and their running nuclear bombsbring up to Soviet borders with bombers and later with missiles and submarines. And when America reneged on every single deal they made with the Russians for post-war development and such,the American financial class effectively made enemies of the Russians into the foreseeable future. This was to as they said contain communism, and also to provide unending trillions of dollars into the development of these idiotic weapons. The Soviet Union is gone now but Russia is still an enemy, and China stands out now to the Pentagon for reduction. Like Patton these people will never be out of wars because they don't yet possess everything. And to say that they are psychotic is very valid imo
He wasn't really wrong to.
McRaney does a fantastic job portraying a man who thinks he's right, think's he's smarter than his superior, and think's his superior is wrong, but also, in a moment realizes he has underestimated his superior's intellect, and just as suddenly realizes he's in deep kimshee.
Super correct
Yeah, that politically correct crap is working out nicely.
I was going to say some crap, but you said some better crap. Well said.
@@op1240 HAHA. Ditto to you from me on your crap comment.
Then he was assassinated.
George C. Scott that guy isn't.
But Tom Seleck totally nailed Eisenhower.
Holy shit. I didn't even recognize him without hair and the mustache.
Major Dad got a promotion.
It took me a moment to realize who that was. Remove Tom's mustache and Hawaiian shirt and it's hard to recognize the guy.
Was Eisenhower that naive about "Joe Stalin"?
@John Cornell True. The Real Patton was massively anti-semitic, was racist, misogynistic and incredibly arrogant.
And as for his general skills?
I think they are overrated.
He never had to lead with anything but a huge advantage and almost total air superiority in almost every battle he fought in.
Any idiot can win a battle when he is holding all the cards.
My English professor in college served under Patton. He described him as having a rather mousy voice, narrow shoulders with a holster that draped loosely over his hips. He further elaborated that George C. Scott made a much better Patton.
You can hear is high pitch voice on you tube.
@@ianmangham4570 Maybe artefact of recording technology of the time. All voices sound kind-of squeaky on that primitive recording equipment.
Yes indeed the real Patton's voice is rather higher pitched than normal. If one doesn't know Patton, one would never guess he's a 4 star General.
Patton *hated* to hear himself! He would've applauded George C. Scott's performance, as he had the look and the attitude _so_ down pat, but with the vocal _gravitas_ that Patton thought his own words deserved. 🧐
George C. Scott played Patton better than Patton played Patton.
I love this scene: Patton may have been the pitbull general of the US Army, but Eisenhower was the Top Dog of the Allies in Europe, a master military coordinator of even arch-rivals of Patton and Montgomery to make sure there is victory in Europe.
Kudos to Eisenhower to get Patton and Montgomery working together and showing whos boss. Otherwise, everything falls apart.
Ike wasn't a tenth of the soldier as Patton. A pencil pusher, never saw a battlefield. And his criminal negligence and revenge tactics he pulled on a defeated Germany Army, and the citizens of that country were nothing less than murder and genocide. He just sat back and let USSR take too much of Europe, while Patton was ready attack and send their asses back to Moscow. He Knew they were going to be trouble someday. And that we were fighting the wrong people.
...you mean he was more of a... yuck..politician...yes...true, he also later became President. Patton however was their best battlefield Commander not only because of his studied knowledge of warfare, and his toughness and intelligence as a tactician...but also because he was loved by his men because he was a true front line Commander who controlled fear! He led by example...and would not send others to go where he would not tread! The enemy feared his name....
Eisenhower also sucked off the british way to much, im 1000% the navy made fun of him. And screwed over patton alot specially when they fked up in halland and patton was scraping stuck in france
Montgomery had few redeeming qualities one would be hopefully expected to possess of an army commander during that time. He was more apt to a sly politician to benefit his character and purport some degree of military genius. Historical accounts that were not answerable to him (Montgomery) described him as being in near "baffoon" territory.
This scene is a dramatization. In reality, Eisenhower reprimanded Patton in writing, not in person. But it is worth knowing a few things about the slapping incident. First, there were actually two incidents. Both of the two men Patton slapped had initially refused to leave their units to seek medical attention, and had to be ordered to do so. Also, they were both running fevers when they arrived at the field hospitals to which they reported, and had other physical symptoms, although, in the case of the first man, it turned out that he had malaria and dysentery, which probably explained his 102 degree fever. So Patton almost certainly overreacted, and the reprimand was justified.
Patton bailed Eisenhower out of trouble more than once.
This "movie" is nothing more than Hollywood propaganda! Fabricating dialogue and putting a Leftist bias to the scene!
Patton saw the New World Order coming and didn't approve of it , so they tarnished his image.
That was a very helpful post!
You forgot to mention that they were finally ordered by their commander to the hospital because of shell shock. That is when Patton found them.
He was a bully
@@adamgrimsley2900 unfortunately that probably describes the best generals. I'm sure stormin Norman wasn't a lot of fun to work with
Is that seriously Tom Sellek playing as Ike? He looks way different without that iconic mustache!
It took me a few minutes to recognized Selleck as Ike.
"I know what you're thinking..."
The voice is unmistakable.
It is. Its the 1st time playing a person out of history
That's how I recognized him too. I doubt that I'd have recognized Ike as TS visually. It was definitely the voice that gave it away.
Gerald McRaney and Tom Selleck couldn’t look less like the guys they were playing, but somehow they pull it off.
Sadly, 75 years after the fact, most Americans don't even know who the two characters they are portraying were.
You're right. Seeing both without their mustaches is weird. Simon & Simon was also on CBS and Gerald McRaney and Jameson Parker did a guest starring role on Magnum PI once so it wasn't the first time they'd worked together.
One of those fresh faced kids was my Dad. USNR Utah beach first wave.
You must be very proud
@Bruss390 thank you for your kind comment, I am VERY proud of Dad. I wish you the best for the year!
@@jerrymccrae7202 likewise buddy 😁
Gotta keep the helmet on general?
"Damn right."
best line ever.
No its not. It's a very lame line
It's not even a helmet; it's a helmet liner, which looks like a kid's plastic toy helmet.
Ike should have fired him right then and there if he did it...which I doubt he did.
Patton class of 1909, Eisenhower like Bradley class of 1915.
rudy kipling what a random thing to be wrong about..they were not at West Point together
"Eisenhower in War and Peace," great book that changed my views of this great trained leader. Plus great actor Tom Sellek.
They cut the best part of the scene. As Patton was leaving, he told another officer that Eisenhower totally fell for his act. Then, back to Eisenhower in his office, he tells another officer that Patton probably thinks he fell for his act. Eisenhower knew Patton too well to be fooled by him.
Patton reminds me of a line in Heartbreak Ridge were the Major says Highway should be kept behind glass that says "break in case of war". Patton was a great tactician but a crappy general if that makes sense. Ike was so good as bringing all these different top generals under one plan.
@@mattm7798Ike had to deal with the likes of Patton , Monty and even DeGaul... He knew had to handle primadonas .
@@MarkGoding Haha right. The fact that a French general was in anyway pompous was hilariously ironic considering how quickly they fell to the Germans.
The British on the other hand successfully thwarted an all out assault on the British Isles so they had something to be proud of. Also weren't the British the first to use radar en masse?
@@mattm7798 Even by the standards of French generals, DeGaul was arrogant.. my favourite line from Rise and fall of the 3rd Reich was... : "DeGaul then relocated to England, where his steady diet for the next 4 years was the hand that fed him" ....
@@MarkGodingGreat quote!😂
That's William T Shirer right???
Tom Selleck shines in this scene. He literally becomes Eisenhower! So weird without his mustache.
Do you know what the word literally means? You're an idiot. He isn't literally Eisenhower.
I didn’t even recognize him, tbh
Yikes! It IS Tom Selleck. I'd never have recognised him without the soup strainer.
That mustache has typecast him over the years, like Sam Elliott hard to imagine him without it
@Joe Francis >>> _"soup strainer"_
😊😊😊😊😊
The last time before this these two acted together was the crossover episode of Simon & Simon and Magnum, PI!!!
That happened?? Wow, need to re-watch some stuff.
What is sad is that he was right about Stalin.
No he was wrong, Patton wanted to invade Russia. Thus causing another huge war and million more dead and probably further spread of communism.
Instead the US started the marshal plan and won the war with communism with peace. PAX AMERICANA won. Fuck Patton dumb violent ideas. He would have led to a massacre.
Sometimes you need to be SMART and TACTICAL and DIPLOMATIC. A General should KNOW that.
Yes, but at the time he was very wrong.
@@freedomordeath89 You are an idiot. URSS had it first A Bomb only at 1949. Until then US could have made several of them and dropped over major cities in URSS, and even China, and forced a unconditional surrender and the world would never had to deal with hardcore Socialism ever again.
@@pc12gauge The Russians once burned their capital city to the ground so an invading army could not have it. You honestly think dropping some atomic bombs that we didnt have would have mattered?
@@joshburns969 yes it would have lol japan had even more resolve then Russians but when another country can take a city every day there no use in fighting its why even an emporer would surrender one bomb on Moscow that would kill Stalin the rest wohld of cru.bled from there we could of finished everything back then
This was terrific. Tom Selleck and Mackey McRaney in this memorable scene of history
Patton was like that overly enthusiastic/slightly off kilter teammate. An important part of the team that needed to be set straight every now and then.
yes the star player who forgets he is part of a team and that one great player can't win a team sport alone.
A career and life defining moment hanging in the balance and both men know it.
When Ike says to Patton "do you understand?" there's a whole lot riding on Patton's response. It's the kind of moment that happens infrequently in life, and there's no do overs, no take backs, and no chance to do it differently. The wrong response will haunt you the rest of the your life.
A word about Ike the real man-- it was said of him during his presidency by those who didn't know him that he was a great guy but a lousy politician.
Those who knew him often said the reverse was true.
Proof is in the pudding America's economic golden age was under Ike's presidency and his party warning about the military industrial complex and its threat to our Republic were some of the most honest words a president ever spoke
I'd be curious to see a reference for that. I've read the thought that Eisenhower wasn't the best politician....but I've never read anything that said Eisenhower was anything other than a good and decent human being.
@@joshuac6389 I came across that either in the book "President Kennedy- Profile of Power" by Richard Reeves or his other one titled ""President Nixon: Alone in the White House". Can't remember exactly which but believe it was the former. It had to do with Kennedy meeting with Ike during the transition I think. Both excellent reads.
@Hal09i I'll check those out, thank you!!
Patton was a field general, not a politician. Ike was a politician, not a field general. Huge difference.
If he wasn't a politician, why was he talking to the press about politics? It doesn't look like the difference is a big as one might think.
Matthew Fautch He was talking to the press because he was kind of an ego maniac. The reporters wanted to talk to him because he was famously “the best general” that the allies had. A bad combination for a man with no filter. Hence why Larry S said he was no politician. He couldn’t keep his thoughts concealed, didn’t know or care how to be diplomatic, and was overly opinionated.
Noplayster
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
The president of the United States of America is the Commander in Chief; the highest ranking member of the USA military. Regardless of how you feel the president is the highest ranking military member.
@@JakerTheSnake Commanding the military is not the same as being *in* the military. Presidents are the chief officers of the government. They are not officers of the military. They do not take the officer's oath. They do not receive an officer's pension (unless they previously served, possibly, such as Eisenhower), and they do not have a NATO-standard rank. Commander-in-Chief is not a rank, like General; it is a job title, like Army Chief of Staff (which is by law held by a four-star general). They do not even possess the one thing *most* indicative of being a soldier -- a uniform.
Eisenhower was a more able soldier/politician than most gave him credit for.
Well he did win two terms as president and was leader of allied troops in Europe. so not sure how much more kudos/credit he could get as a politician
@@pilgrim7globalltd227 And before the "presidential dollars" were issued, he was one of only six presidents to appear on a circulating US coin.
I've always wanted to believe that Ike would have stayed out of Vietnam
@@pilgrim7globalltd227 and also, wasn't he the only or one of the only 5 star generals ever?
@@709mash One of 5
This was a brilliant, moving film. Selleck really showed what he is capable of.
I remember watching it when it came out and was amazed at Selleck too. He did a great job
"Well, communism's for the next war."
Based.
based on what?
@@operez6519 i think what he meant was 'based", ie 'based' in term.
@theinevitable storm82
Antisemite.
@theinevitable storm82 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA YOU THINK THE WEST WOULD HAVE WON IF THEY ATTACKED THE SOVIETS? Look as much as I'd love to believe thats true thats just fucking ridiculous, the Soviets had armies built up and had the majority of europe under it's control theres a slim fucking chance we wouldve beaten them considering Western europe was fucking obliterated.
James Leliveld the Western allies had three things the Soviets didn’t have have. One was the British and American air forces outnumbered the Soviet Air Force, they also had the two largest navies in the world, and third of all they had atom bombs which the Soviets wouldn’t have until 1949.
In "Up Front" Bill Mauldin describes a chewing out he got from Patton in person for a cartoon that the general thought was inappropriate. He said Patton was smaller than he'd been expecting, and had a high pitched voice that got higher and squeakier the more enraged he became!
Based, this is the guy who ended the the Korean war and sent the 101st airborne to Little Rock to defend civil rights. Great man!
Ike was a good leader but he hated war a bit too much. A bit more aggression during his presidency would have saved countless lives in the long run. In particular, he should have sent the marines in to get rid of Batista, and he should have made the Shah see sense and how shaky his hold on power was. The second was a long shot, but imagine a world without an Iranian revolution. The first though was easily within his power. Imagine a world without Castro, without the Bay of Pigs, without the Cuban Missile Crisis, and without the 50 military interventions Cuba made in the 3rd world at the USSR's behest.
The soldier in question that Patton slapped was not suffering from shell shock or PTSD, he was actually suffering from malaria that went undiagnosed. Also, Patton said that Great Britain and the United States would control the postwar world, not specifying race. It was intended to imply that the Soviet Union would still be the enemy of the free world even after the war was over.
That could be debatable. Anglo-Saxons was predominantly associated with England and in turn, America.
@@Johnston212 Exactly. Patton was suggesting that England and America would be the leaders of the free world after World War II was over, and that the Soviet Union was probably going to be an antagonist to that.
The USA had ceased to be a majority "Anglo-Saxon" nation before Patton was even born.
It's not just what you say, it's how you say it. Ike (a future President of the United States) understood that. Patton did not.
@@fantom5894 Patton had no political ambitions. He was a pure combat soldier.
Patton was an extremely complicated man gifted in war and cursed with being born in the wrong century.
actually he wasn't that gifted in war. He was an immature narcissist who fluked his way to the top. He had very little understanding of grand strategy, logistics and supply lines etc. He was put in charge of high risk, hastily organised but necessary offensive operations. The troops were wise to him "blood and guts: his blood, our guts".
Tommy Two-shoes wow the Germans sure thought he was the best fighting general the allies had so much so in fact that the simple fact he was stationed across from cala help up a number of divisions including heavy armor that likely saved Omaha beach which was in doubt many hours and would of failed if Germany had moved in heavy armor... The status of that one man and some excellent psyops by allies had Hitler believing Normandy was a diversion for half a day...
George Patton was an outstanding general and tactician. His methods are still being taught at West Point. He had a grasp of the big picture that other generals did not. He understood the grand strategy, logistics, and supply lines, but he also understood that his way was the best way and that he commanded the best army in the field at the time.
And he also had a big mouth! You have to work with people to get things done...that is why Bradley was promoted ahead of him. You need to know when to talk and when to shut up...
True. The movie paints the picture of Omar Bradley and George S. Patton as being best friends but If you read some of the historical accounts you'll discover that much of the time Bradley could hardly stand being in the same room with him!
Mustache or no mustache, Tom Selleck will always be Thomas Sullivan Magnum.
Mustache or no mustache, Gerald Mcraney will always be Rick Simon. Great performance here from both.
I thought I recognized that voice but I couldn't place it.
Simon and Simon....I loved that show.
Major Dad
Gerald McRaney will always Mayor Green in "Jericho".
John Hillerman will always be "Higgy Baby"
George C Marshall, that master puppeteer of the war, deserves a movie made about him, but strangely never gets one. He must’ve had a profound understanding of human psychology, and what he didn’t know about people wasn’t worth knowing.
Marshall is the reason a 5 star is called General of the Army instead of Field Marshall like other countries. George Marshall on getting his 5th star would have been Marshall Marshall.
@@johnharris6655 Hah!
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@@cheaplaffsarefree Thank you.
Both actors displayed the true strengths of both characters. Patton was a brilliant field commander. Eisenhower was a brilliant theater commander. And Pat has made it clear in his statements why he should remain a field commander. When leading an overall war effort it requires more than just aggression.
This is from "Ike: Countdown to D-Day". Actually a good movie.
They had first met in 1919. During the 1920s, they went on several vacations together with their families.
@@Wigattor88 really
"High physical conditioning is vital to victory. Fatigue makes cowards of all us." Gen Patton. And this is the actor they chose to play Patton?
Benji I thought the "fatigue makes cowards..." line came from Coach Vince Lombardi of the Green Bay Packers.
Fatigue is unavoidable. Wither it is physical or mental. It will eventually win in the end.
@@GreatBigRanz Right...that's the point. That's why you train hard so you delay fatigue.
This movie is anti Patton propaganda, i would be interested in the ethnicity of the producers and directors.
Patton, Bradly, Montgomery, and others were the Battlefield Generals, without them, the war is lost. But Ike was the organizer, the planner, the one who brought everyone together. His strengths are what also made him an excellent President.
Except for the fact Montgomery essentially organised D-day by himself
My dads oldest brother, Lee Fox, fought under Patton. I never had the pleasure of meeting him
"False are worse than true enemies." ~ Sun Tzu
For my money, Eisenhower was the greatest leader of all time. One thing that struck me when seeing footage him of was how relaxed his demeanour was. Of course he would have to have given his share bollockings so I have often wondered how he would have handled them.
“Communism is for the next war”always gets me
both ike and patton were great men who needed each other. ike had to play the politician to hold the very uneasy and unprecedented alliance together and patton was a general who got things done that few others could. both men were right and wrong when it came to the post war world.
Tom selleck did a outstanding performance.
The long glance communicates more than the spoken word. And everyone is replaceable.
"they'll shoot you for this."
"no I don't think so.....more like chewed out. I been chewed out before"
The slapping incident was more complicated than it looked. In actuality, Patton was suffering from combat fatigue (and either didn't realize it or was in denial about it, or both) and thought the soldier was shell-shocked when, in truth, he was suffering from malaria. After all the official stuff had been dealt with, the truth of the matter was brought to Patton's attention. He promptly summoned the private to his office and offered a sincere apology.
That's some irony, that fatigue would be an excuse to abuse someone with shell-shock 🤭
He may have been tired, but I don't think he had enough personal combat exposure to clinically qualify for PTSD.
That’s actually not true at all🤡, he apologized after Eisenhower reprimanded him in private and forced him to, Bradley and Eisenhower both wrote that patron didn’t believe in battle fatigue or shell shock(ptsd)and he himself wrote it was an excuse for weak men ,he was absolutely wrong and was punished for his error like he deserved
Yeah AFTER Patton threatening a kid (who was suffering from malaria and shell shock) with death for so called "cowardice". Patton was a bully and maybe he deserved to get run down like a dog in the street. Notice how he was big and bad walking in the room, but he practically begged and pleaded not to be sent home in the end. Textbook bully behavior: Badass until they're confronted or someone fights back!
@@JorisKoolen - not an excuse, an explanation.
Still remember George C. Scott's performance, accurate or not....the line "A big iron swastika - ON MY BOOT!!" was classic!
Fantastic actors. great casting.
Two great actors. Love their work.
Patton's purpose in life was to prove there's a fine line between genius and insanity. Patton walked right down the middle of the line.
Joey Jamison Patton was all that and a shoe in for President. Instead the murdering Ike gets in. Loads of his kind of friends in Washington!
Chloe wilson remember Ike got the GOP nomination over Doug MacArthur, a better general than either of them. Ike was level headed and controllable, which is what needed to end the Korean War.
Gen Macarthur requested 50 nuclear bombs from Harry Truman to win the Korean war
It's more prevalent in males than in females. Camille Paglia touches on this alot.
I disagree. Patton wasn't even close to insane. He was, in my opinion, egotistical to the utmost, which clouded his non-combat judgment. War is politics by other means, and Patton only understood the tactical and operational levels of war, not the strategic nor political levels.
I watched this scene years ago and despite watching many episodes of Simon & Simon and Major dad, *and* hearing that distinctive voice, I still didn't recognize Gerald McRaney without his mustache.
I feel so ashamed. : (
George C. Scott blew these two away. That man has gravitas like nobody else.
Ironic that people love him and that role so damn much since he neither looked nor sounded a damn thing like the real George Patton.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 Scott did a better job playing Patton than did Patton.
Greatest Logistical Commander EVER ...Eisenhower Tactical genius
what a fantastic scene and dialogue
I'm sure I can take the worst nightmare I've ever had and multiply that by 10 and that would be the level of horror experienced by someone in combat. I just can't imagine what they go through. My thanks to everyone past, present and future for serving to defend our freedom!
Wow. What a great scene! 💖
It’s sad that no one listened him. He was right the whole time
Patton was one hell of a general though.
Yeah, but Eisenhower was his superior for a reason. Ike was the kind of General utterly unintimidated by Patton's rep and able to deal with him and his screw-ups like his slapping of military hospital patients by relegating to being Decoy-In-Chief of Operation Fortitude.
Good general, terrible person.
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 He is Great man
@@superiorshotgun4348 I think herbivore the carnivore got it right.
@@brianwalsh1401 Terrible men do not liberate Europe
Patton was in my opinion one of the greatest Generals in American history, he attacked and never dug in, he was as tough as cast iron. We need more Generals like him. Patton never trusted the Russians, he knew Stalin couldn't be trusted.
62202ify I have yet to see an apology for Poland from the Russians or any kind of restitution gesture.
Where was the UN to exact our Pearl Harbor animosity here or do we unleash it at Nuremberg?
@@robrutt7129 EXACTLY
Well, Patton was not a good general the man neglected the importance of logistics.
Patton had the luxury of knowing he would always have more men, tanks, guns and air cover than the enemy. That is a huge difference.
@@robrutt7129 i have yet to see the Americans apologize for dropping 2 Atomic Bombs on Japan
The sad thing is that Patton turned out to be right about the Soviets.
And that's why he became the first casualty of pre-planned Cold War
And that's why he became the first casualty of pre-planned Cold War
obviously. but Eisenhower was also right. patton needed to shut up about them and focus on winning the war
@@jessebowman161 that's why General Smedley Butler said that "war is a racket, it always has been"
Ike knew it. They all did.
Tom Selleck is such a great actor. Whoever played Patton here did not measure up to George C. Scott's portrayal, but someone had to play him.
No one ever will.
The guy playing Montgomery wasn't as good as Michael Bates in Patton either.
No one has been able to capture the true Patton. George C. Scott came the closest, but his gravely voice was the direct opposite of Patton who had a rather high pitched voice, some said it was almost effeminate. But Patton was the model of an armored commander, aggressive and direct who cared for his troops. He had seen direct combat himself in Mexico single handedly gunning down two of Pancho Vila's men. A true American Warrior.
Likewise depictions of Abraham Lincoln nearly always use a deep, ponderous voices for his utterances, but contemporaries tell us that he had a very high voice for a man.
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Really? Was he caring for his men with whom is slapping them for malingering when they were actually sick? Ike should have sent his ass home
@@keithziegler8881No one said he was perfect. If Ike sent him home, he would have lost a talented, hard driving general at a vital point in the war.
@@keithziegler8881 I think if you're going to look at a reason to look down at Patton, it would be about Task Force Baum (look it up).
"God Dammit George shut up!"
Easily the best line in the whole scene
IKE may have been the only one in history to been able to tell that to Patton to his face.
Who remembers when these two had the top shows on TV back in the day?
This isn't the first time these two have shared the screen.
I do. I miss those Thursday nights with Magnum and Simon and Simon.
hearing Tom Sellecks voice but not seeing his mustache just blows my mind...
I don’t know if this actually happened but I do know Eisenhower was a true leader. He did not waste lives and did his best for peace and equality. He wasn’t perfect but he was a great compared to some of the men of the era
He should have been charged with war crimes after ww2 for starving germans to death.
Many military strategists believe the Hurtgen campaign and the slow slog of the Bulge broad front was unnecessarily costly in American life.
@@rolltide9547 yup. Reading about it now in John Wear's "Germany's War." If the allies had to surrender, all their military and leaders would be facing capital war crimes.
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@@scottodonnell7121 kind of like the bogus Nuremberg trials we pulled on them?
Patton was god damn hero him and Winston predicted the rise of cold war
Yes,they did.
Also,however,Patton praised some anti-semitism,unfortunately.
NOBODY is Perfect.
@@iggyarctic5711 i would have taken some anti-semitism over a nuclear arms race that can end the planet now we are all fucked
Men like Patton and Winston predicted Cold War because their friends would start it.
@@Kriegerdammerung best and accurate answer 👌
it wasnt hard to predict tbh
The only thing he is afraid of is going home
He ultimately got that wish. He is buried in Europe with the rest of the fallen soldiers of his Army. Never came back.
Because to be sent home as a general just as the final push to victory was beginning would have exposed him as a risk to operations and, it must be said, to his own men. It would have meant spending the rest of his career at a desk, unable to be a publicly-recognized hero, unable to get what he craved - an audience.
Wow. Two icons of 80's TV. Gerald McRaney (Simon & Simon) and Tom Selleck (Magnum P.I.).
Read "HONOR UNTARNISHED: A West Point Graduate's Memoir of WWII" by Donald Bennett, it will give a more accurate picture of Gen Patton and Gen Eisenhower. He served under both and was in the adjoining bay at the hospital where the slapping incident occurred. Patton was cheered by the wounded soldiers present.
Eisenhower was a politician, and commanded as such.
If Patton would have been turned loose, the war in Europe would have ended sooner, and many Allied lives saved. That came not just from Patton fans from America, but from German generals after the defeat of the Nazis. They feared Patton.
They feared Hitler too. You are confusing military competence with character. If you don't understand Ike's words about a "racially pure America" and the dangers of that kind of thinking then I can only assume you agree with Patton, hence the impassioned defense of him.
Not exactly true. There were multiple such incidents of Patton slapping soldiers suffering from PTSD. The George C. Scott movie combines two incidents into one. You simply cannot sum up Patton very well. Great tank commander but he absolutely didn't have handle on dealing with the politics. The Russians were our allies and whether he liked them or not his comments during the war was detrimental. As an ordinary citizen he has a right to speak his mind. But not as a US General.
@@nikolatesla5553 when political concerns are put ahead of winning a war..... a war can be lost, certainly initiative at critical times. I don't think this movie scene is completely accurate. I think Eisenhower was aware that Stalin was not our friend, allied with us, yes but never our friend. Donald Bennett served under Patton and commanded an artillery battalion, later became a 3 star General himself. I value his opinion over Hollywood portrayals of General Patton.
Political correctness costs lives.
Hmmmm, well Patton was in North Africa, Sicily, Italy and he commanded Third Army in the Western advance . . . so, no, I doubt the war would have ended much sooner.
@@markmerzweiler909 German Generals were quoted as saying that the war could have been won in the fall of 1944 if General Patton would've been allowed the leeway to proceed like he wanted.
Eisenhower had to listen to FDR.
Though I've never seen this show, nor do I know whether this was accurate or not. HOWEVER, I do like how respectful Ike was still to Patton while dressing him down when he says, "Do you understand me sir?" Patton was older than Ike in 1944 and even though Eisenhower was Patton's superior he still in this show showed his respect to elders.
sempermilites87 Ike was a great man. When he was president, his CNO was Arleigh Burke who jumped from Rear Admiral to 4 stars to assume the job of CNO (jumping over 20+ officers senior to him). Burke would stand if any officer who was senior to him enter the room even though he held the top job.
the strain of having to put up with people who refuse to see the obvious is so apparent on Pattons face. He could see reality and was constantly hindered by people who simply couldnt or outright refused to.
Very interested in the real General Patton. Yes, he made mistakes as we all do,but he did fight for the right cause.Ike let him off by letting him keep his helmet on, but of course, he wasn't bothered by that. Even so, I thought Patton's character showed great disrespect to him by doing so. At least on that part. Very well performed scene by them both.
When disrespect is given, as was the case of Ike towards Patton, why should any respect be given back. Like he saying goes "You sow what you reap." Ike sowed disrespect. He received it back.
Even so, Ike was still his commanding officer, and Patton was well out of order in that respect.
Omar Bradley's book "A soldier's story" would be a good place to start.
@@theconservative1967 Eisenhower didn't so we need. He showed patently exact respect you deserve.
What Patton forgot is that he answers to other people. He thought that he was top dog and he wasn't, and he learned that lesson.
Ultimately, Patton was right about the next war.
Did we miss something?
Not really. The United States didn't end up fighting the Soviet Union. Yes, we fought proxy wars, and, yes, Soviet pilots flew against American pilots in Korea, but, in the end, the US and the USSR never really went to war.
The "god dammit George, shut up" was so satisfying
Eisenhower was one of a very few examples of successful military being a successful politician.
Ataturk and de Gaulle are two other examples I can think of now.
Ulysses S Grant? George Washington? Napoleon Bonaparte? William the Conqueror? Julius Caesar? Augustus Caesar? etc... I guess it depend on how you define it but political leadership in the past was full of successful military leaders.
The Duke of Wellington became Prime Minister of Great Britain; and you say nothing of Andrew Jackson and/or Theodore Roosevelt.
I love how in one scene Ike Placates Monty but in another, quietly tells him to piss off about his thrust through the low countries.
Patton In Mischief From Ike For Slapping A Soldier,Patton On Probation.
I liked this movie and I think Selleck did great. The problem is, he is 6'5 or something and Ike was about 5'8. That comes into major play when presenting authority. A bigger, taller man is more physically intimidating. So Selleck has that advantage that Ike didn't.
Eisenhower is listed at 5 ft, 10+1⁄2 in on the "heights of the presidents" page. Average height for men born in 1890 along with him was 5 ft, 6 +1⁄2 in.
He would have probably been perceived about the same as a 6'0 is today.
He's a couple inches shorter than Patton (who is listed at 6'1" and I verified by looking at photos of them standing side by side). He's about 5" taller than Monty. Eisenhower's son was about 6'3 tho and towers over him (looks like beanpole too).
Eisenhower was taller than the admirals visiting the pacific fleet while president and in pictures of him with the troops, he's in the middle height wise.
If I was under his command I would probably think he is 7
Patton on Eisenhower, " Best damn clerk I ever had"... Lol
It was MacArthur that said that.
Will have to watch this, for the historical moments.
If anyone was truly qualified to give Patton a reprimand, it was Ike.
We needed more like Patton.
The only thing Blacks will ever amount to in the Army are cooks… Gen Patton
You mean Eisenhower
Nobody can be Patton but George C .Scott
This time Patton actually sounds like Patton.
“The Czechs are also in this war”. Yeah, and what happened to them after the war thanks to the Soviet Union, Ike?
That's Ike's fault?
Do you really think millions of US soldiers would have fought and died to save them?
@@markmerzweiler909 nope
@@kbanghart not totally. FDR dismissed Stalin as the threat he was thinking they could control him. Churchill recognized the threat Stalin posed but as the Junior partner was left on the sidelines. FDR thanks to the Stalinist agents in his inner circle basically gave Stalin everything and Ike went along with it.
@@brianschwatka3655 You must remember that from 1941-1944, the Soviet Union took almost the entire brunt of Hitler's military machine. The allies felt guilty during the earlier meetings...big reason they gave Stalin so much.
the fact they also added how pissed off Eisenhower was when he learned Patton slapped a soldier suffering PTSD was a great touch. while Patton saw PTSD as a sign of cowardice, Eisenhower knew significantly better than that and that PTSD was a mental scar and should NEVER be cast aside like that and he made sure Patton knew he pissed him off for his lack of understanding this
Tom Selleck as General Dwight D. Eisenhower and Gerald McRaney as General George S. Patton. Great acting. Kids, pay attention.
Always good to see it from a different manuscript.
Ike was once Patton's subordinate.
Indeed. Ike was a staff officer for MacArthur as well.
Ike was better in the political aspect of rising threw the ranks.
I wish we have George Patton today
You want more born wealthy leaders who act like tough guys? We actually have PLENTY of them today...
@@Yoseman1 not proud yet powerful southern Anglo Saxon chads like him tho
@@kommando5562 Powerful? No...
@@kommando5562 Anglo snakesons are a dying race and will soon be wiped off
I like the way George C Marshall, fired generals and colonels left and right up to and including D Day.. he had one colonel taken in under guard .. on the beach!
If the right message was coupled with the worst messenger, taken out of context, and said at the most inappropriate time was a person......