Unfortunately the LPI didn't arrive until 2011 the pre2011 lpg models were stuck with a big power reduction and the undesirable 4 speed LPG barra and intech had similar output the barra had more torque The LPI introduced injection and brought it up to above petrol models and were also given a 6speed auto
@@d_zamb573 yeah when I heard about an ecolpi I wanted to get one but they were still around 30k at the time years later I've decided ill settle for a BFmkii XR6 Rebel with the zf 6 speed similar to my best friends BFmkii
Petrol now 1.69 for petrol. LPG is 85c. FG EcoLpi uses the German ZF6HP26. Love my EcoLpi. EcoLpi Max torque and power also comes on quicker (lower RPM).
A good reliable LPG unit mate? I have a BF work car on the old gas system.Very basic!!!! Reliable as hell though If the LPI units are proving to be relaible also,i may get one
I bought the first FG LPG ute new back in 2008 and I was very impressed at the beginning especially due to the lack of driver fatigue on long country drives and the handling was better than any car I had previously, it felt like it was on rails on the bends in the snowy mountains. As you guys noticed they are great around town with good acceleration. Later on I realised that I wasn’t getting very good economy around town where I used it most of the time, about 350km out of a tank but the Ford dealer told that it was normal for the type of driving that I was doing and like a fool I believed him since I did actually get 580km out of a tank on highway trip one time when it was serviced the day before. Years later I spoke to someone who had one doing the same type of town driving as myself who was getting 450km out of a tank mine was out of warranty by this time. By 2018 the economy was a bit worse until I took it to an LPG expert to do the ten yearly tank inspection. When I picked it up I noticed straight away that it had heaps more power and was looking like getting 450km out of a tank as well. I went back to the LPG guy to ask him what he did but he said he hadn’t found any fault. Unfortunately this miraculous fix only lasted a few days. I later discovered that if I reset the computer by disconnecting the battery terminals it would be fine again for another few days. Then I took it to a Ford dealer who didn’t have a clue because they don’t even employ LPG licensed mechanics, they just send them off to the nearest independent LPG expert. Now here’s the problem with owning an LPG vehicle, there aren’t enough Licensed LPG mechanics to choose from. I have one who’s just a five minute walk from me who couldn’t even select the correct battery for my car and I thought he was a bit dim before I discovered that. The next closest one is the REPCO guy who charged me about twice the verbally quoted price to inspect my tanks. There are two others who are good but both are too far away with no decent public transport near by, one of them knows of the same problem in another customers Ford and was able to tell me up front that he still doesn’t know what the problem is. As carer I didn’t have time for endless trips back and fourth to distant mechanics so in 2019 with only 150000km I traded it in much sooner than I would have liked to for an ISUZU Dmax as I want to move to the country eventually anyway where LPG is not always easy to get and the Dmax has a range of about 1000km on the open road. These LPG Falcons are not that complicated which was one of the things that attracted me to it in the first place and the manufacturer should have the resources to back up the products that they sell. I am now one of a growing number of people who will never ever consider buying a new Ford and I make a point of telling as many people as I can about this when talking about cars. If I knew back then what I know now I would have bought the petrol version, never let Ford mechanic near it and hang on to it for twenty years.
I love my 09 G6E LPG. It’s done over 210k and is reliable and still get 12l/100k (I mainly do long runs) Rear suspension is not quiet but it just goes! Acceleration on the hiway is good. Love it.
I reckon a lot of Australians don't realise what a great motor Ford Australia made. 20 percent cleaner than petrol, more torque and lasts forever. I've got two brand new 2016 FGX lpgi utes stashed away in the backyard.
When fuel prices shot up again I bought an LPG falcon. I get around 600km for $70 which is way better than what I was getting on my old petrol car. Its a shame LPG is dying down
I did a video a few years ago of a 0-100 in my LPG G6E, approx 8.6 seconds. My G6E had about 270,000km on it I think at the time. Used the GPS speedo from my dashcam to record the time.
In hindsight,,my ba LPG did the business,,, trade wagon,,, always had to plan my full up's,,,got worse when garages stopped selling LPG,,, now have fg on petrol,,, tough utes the falcons
Thought the FG LPG had liquid injection and blew any petrol Barra off the map. We have ba sedan and bf ute both green rocker covers (LPG donks) both with the good old and slower mixers 'tween the exhaust manifold and the offside strut. LPG is 118 octane usually my comment is 110 octane to avoid a 'stupid' debating the statement. Hope you haven't been dudded on the liquid injection, looks like a perfect unit in the Video.Check with old mate on "Comparing Ford Barra Green Tops" RUclips Video Oct 29-2021, it's a winner.
I saw a G6E Turbo eco lpi at the caravan show at Caulfield one year so I know they made them but they never release them for public sale and I suspect it's because it would have blown away the XR6 turbo petrol the F6 petrol and the V8 petrol I still remember the bloke Chrome for talking about it when I was looking at it and he said it was 290 kW straight from the show room floor which is only 25 kW less than the F6 but I suspect that that was rubbish as I suspect what's written in my manual is rubbish I have a FG mark 2 G6E lpi and there is no way that is 200kw every single car that I've ever been up against 0 to 60 has been completely blown away and that includes and F6
only at the 2:30 mark 0-60 times can be done with "car scanner pro" and Bluetooth obd2 / elm327 adaptor off eBay , my time was (2.24 0-40)(4.03 0-60 )(5.99 0-80)(8.67 0-100)(11.96 0-120), i tried shifting manually and my times were slower , fg g6 stock dedicated gas
Gday I own a 2006 bf ford ute I have spent $7,000 on it from new running gear new brake lines ect to much to list here, tho my point is I love my barra ute she is fast reliable factory gas(converter is band new as well) after 325,000ks gas barra is the best.
L.P.G can be a very temperamental. The dedicated lpg vehicles are a lot better than duel fuel, but saying that newer cars could be a little different with the direct injection, and you should have a primer button or flick the key a couple of times before starting and a very regular gas tune!! And u mentioned the bottom end, going back to the el-ef models and nearly everyone of them got cracked heads from lack of water but taxi's and a few others out there came with the tickford head for hardened internals for the gas an the lack of liquid drying out and cracking the inside... But I'm sure I heard many year's ago that Ford have used motors (since the 1 off XF 2 door all wheel drive turbo) that come out the factory built that can have a turbo with 8-9 PSI bolted straight on?
This comment brings back memories of my old EL falcon blowing air boxes to bits and shooting rubber intake elbows across the front yard, oh the memories 😁👍
No mechanic but ive got 2010 bf factory gas. It pulls well. No xr6 but seems most of the 194 is there. Does take while to chop down then pulls it keeps goin. Not a fast barra but smooth in like it. Thanx
156 only kw! Only slightly less than the petrol you say but what your forgetting or don’t know is the FG Barra responds very well to premium octane and puts out up to 209 kw with a commensurate increase in torque into the early 400’s, if you read the Ford manual even this suggests the increase or go to any Ford forum on this subject you will get this advice, I have ran my FG XR6 on premium since day one when new the other benefits. Include clean injectors and less carbon build up than if you ran the car on the shitty, crappy 91 sewerage
Love my ute 2009 R6 LPG. Only thing I find is I think its thirsty around the city driving it gives me 22 to 23ltrs per 100kms. Highway around 16/100kms. Does anyone have the same issue? Sounds like the EcoLpi is more fuel friendly.
It's called a vbox sport. It's a GPS receiver and g sensor device that the phone connects to. It is regarded as the most accurate way to measure acceleration for a few years now.
Zero To 60 thanks, I’ve got a road map, O2 sensors, elder coils and plugs then MHD stage 1 then intercooler and Stage 1+, on that, what plugs would you recommend?
Really?? That’s amazing. Do you still run the old fogged system or did you change to injection? Also if it’s the old fogger how did you fit the turbo in as well? Did you move the fogger? I’m very keen on doing the same thing to my BF wagon. Would you be able to send us any info by any chance?
@@Martintheblackcar Hmm, I should have been more specific. I fitted a Gas motor to a Ba wagon and it's fuel injected and running e85. Have seen some of the boys in Sydney and Melbourne run the old 250 Crossflows on lpg and turbocharged. They were in the 10s , I believe they ran 2 foggers , but don't know the exact setup.
@@mg74xbgt Thanks a lot for your reply. I was originally really excited haha. Still yet to find people who have done it with the stock fogger only hear about too. When i find out i'm going to have to do a video for the LPG lovers.
Not silly at all, it was something we didn't know much about until we moved to Australia. Liquid petroleum gas is a flammable gas that can be used in place of petrol, when it's in storage or even in the tanks in the car it is a liquid, it goes through the converter and in sent to the intake of the engine as a gas. It's a cleaner product than normal petrol which is why i think there are generally less taxes on it than petrol. It's really only used in vehicles because it's cheaper than petrol. However, it does have a higher octane rating, but the way petrol engines are adapted to LPG means it normally doesn't run as efficiently as the engine will on petrol. The latest generation of Falcon LPG cars were setup much better for LPG but most of the LPG cars out there are like this particular car.
i think you just have a shitty car because the lpg version is by far the most reliable and slightly more powerful, they also come stock with the bottom halve of the xr6 turbo, so you can push 30psi of boost with minor upgrades like headstuds, valve springs and oil pump gears because they like to shatter
The LPI Barra made 3kw more than the petrol variant. LPG is a fantastic fuel and really underrated.
on the intech the lpg has less kw but more torque
Unfortunately the LPI didn't arrive until 2011 the pre2011 lpg models were stuck with a big power reduction and the undesirable 4 speed
LPG barra and intech had similar output the barra had more torque
The LPI introduced injection and brought it up to above petrol models and were also given a 6speed auto
@@ESISTTIGER absolutely. Ford contributed to LPG having a bad name by limiting it to 4 speed autos with no injection.
@@d_zamb573 yeah when I heard about an ecolpi I wanted to get one but they were still around 30k at the time years later I've decided ill settle for a BFmkii XR6 Rebel with the zf 6 speed similar to my best friends BFmkii
@@ESISTTIGER sounds nice as mate - lpg? I’ve got an AU Mont on lpg wouldn’t change a thing
Petrol now 1.69 for petrol. LPG is 85c. FG EcoLpi uses the German ZF6HP26. Love my EcoLpi. EcoLpi Max torque and power also comes on quicker (lower RPM).
A good reliable LPG unit mate? I have a BF work car on the old gas system.Very basic!!!! Reliable as hell though
If the LPI units are proving to be relaible also,i may get one
I bought the first FG LPG ute new back in 2008 and I was very impressed at the beginning especially due to the lack of driver fatigue on long country drives and the handling was better than any car I had previously, it felt like it was on rails on the bends in the snowy mountains. As you guys noticed they are great around town with good acceleration. Later on I realised that I wasn’t getting very good economy around town where I used it most of the time, about 350km out of a tank but the Ford dealer told that it was normal for the type of driving that I was doing and like a fool I believed him since I did actually get 580km out of a tank on highway trip one time when it was serviced the day before. Years later I spoke to someone who had one doing the same type of town driving as myself who was getting 450km out of a tank mine was out of warranty by this time. By 2018 the economy was a bit worse until I took it to an LPG expert to do the ten yearly tank inspection. When I picked it up I noticed straight away that it had heaps more power and was looking like getting 450km out of a tank as well. I went back to the LPG guy to ask him what he did but he said he hadn’t found any fault. Unfortunately this miraculous fix only lasted a few days. I later discovered that if I reset the computer by disconnecting the battery terminals it would be fine again for another few days. Then I took it to a Ford dealer who didn’t have a clue because they don’t even employ LPG licensed mechanics, they just send them off to the nearest independent LPG expert.
Now here’s the problem with owning an LPG vehicle, there aren’t enough Licensed LPG mechanics to choose from. I have one who’s just a five minute walk from me who couldn’t even select the correct battery for my car and I thought he was a bit dim before I discovered that. The next closest one is the REPCO guy who charged me about twice the verbally quoted price to inspect my tanks. There are two others who are good but both are too far away with no decent public transport near by, one of them knows of the same problem in another customers Ford and was able to tell me up front that he still doesn’t know what the problem is. As carer I didn’t have time for endless trips back and fourth to distant mechanics so in 2019 with only 150000km I traded it in much sooner than I would have liked to for an ISUZU Dmax as I want to move to the country eventually anyway where LPG is not always easy to get and the Dmax has a range of about 1000km on the open road.
These LPG Falcons are not that complicated which was one of the things that attracted me to it in the first place and the manufacturer should have the resources to back up the products that they sell.
I am now one of a growing number of people who will never ever consider buying a new Ford and I make a point of telling as many people as I can about this when talking about cars.
If I knew back then what I know now I would have bought the petrol version, never let Ford mechanic near it and hang on to it for twenty years.
Does the ute have leaf springs at the back?
@@WayneKerr69420 yes it does.
@@Cooliemasteroz Okay thanks
I love my 09 G6E LPG. It’s done over 210k and is reliable and still get 12l/100k (I mainly do long runs) Rear suspension is not quiet but it just goes! Acceleration on the hiway is good. Love it.
Had the AU 1 ton ute with the LPG generation green barra motor for 10 years . Was unkillable except for a faulty spark plug leads
I reckon a lot of Australians don't realise what a great motor Ford Australia made. 20 percent cleaner than petrol, more torque and lasts forever. I've got two brand new 2016 FGX lpgi utes stashed away in the backyard.
The Lpi were brilliant. This one was basically like an EA falcon running on gas.
When fuel prices shot up again I bought an LPG falcon. I get around 600km for $70 which is way better than what I was getting on my old petrol car. Its a shame LPG is dying down
My falcon bf factory gas is great. 900km until empty and it's powerful and reliable .
Its funny because the e gas Barra's have a tag somewhere in the cab telling you to expect it to crank longer before it starts.
Really... i haven't seen it. Any ideas where it might be, i want to find it for an upcoming video.
I did a video a few years ago of a 0-100 in my LPG G6E, approx 8.6 seconds. My G6E had about 270,000km on it I think at the time. Used the GPS speedo from my dashcam to record the time.
Zf 6 speed?? @joytech22
@@jamesfarid8351 4spd Jatco/BTR
Thanks
6 speed EcoLpi is around 6.5s 0 to 100
Manual transmission is better
When you buy a car like that, all it’s got to do it take you from a to b, and make you money.
If you want a fast car, buy a fast car.
Need to test an eco lpi it has basically the same kws and torque as the petrol and the same 6spd gearbox
I have stick 2012 FG MK2 G6E ecolpi.
0-100 km/h in 6.5 seconds
In hindsight,,my ba LPG did the business,,, trade wagon,,, always had to plan my full up's,,,got worse when garages stopped selling LPG,,, now have fg on petrol,,, tough utes the falcons
Thought the FG LPG had liquid injection and blew any petrol Barra off the map. We have ba sedan and bf ute both green rocker covers (LPG donks) both with the good old and slower mixers 'tween the exhaust manifold and the offside strut. LPG is 118 octane usually my comment is 110 octane to avoid a 'stupid' debating the statement. Hope you haven't been dudded on the liquid injection, looks like a perfect unit in the Video.Check with old mate on "Comparing Ford Barra Green Tops" RUclips Video Oct 29-2021, it's a winner.
I saw a G6E Turbo eco lpi at the caravan show at Caulfield one year so I know they made them but they never release them for public sale and I suspect it's because it would have blown away the XR6 turbo petrol the F6 petrol and the V8 petrol I still remember the bloke Chrome for talking about it when I was looking at it and he said it was 290 kW straight from the show room floor which is only 25 kW less than the F6 but I suspect that that was rubbish as I suspect what's written in my manual is rubbish I have a FG mark 2 G6E lpi and there is no way that is 200kw every single car that I've ever been up against 0 to 60 has been completely blown away and that includes and F6
This is an e-gas with 211 horsepower. The newer eco-lpi version had 270 horsepower which was 5 more than the N/A 6 cylinder
The Ecolpi is far far superior then the older troublesome E gas system in every possible way.
they dont have the think rods the egas have. so you wouldnt try turbo them
only at the 2:30 mark 0-60 times can be done with "car scanner pro" and Bluetooth obd2 / elm327 adaptor off eBay , my time was (2.24 0-40)(4.03 0-60 )(5.99 0-80)(8.67 0-100)(11.96 0-120), i tried shifting manually and my times were slower , fg g6 stock dedicated gas
The FG E-Gas has 375NM of torque, the later FG Eco Lpi gas has 410NM.
Shit! Will make a correction.
EcoLPi also has the 6 speed, so you don’t shift into second at 80k an hour 😂
The eGas hasn’t changed since its introduction in the BA.
does the FG e-gas come with stronger rods than NA?
Gday I own a 2006 bf ford ute I have spent $7,000 on it from new running gear new brake lines ect to much to list here, tho my point is I love my barra ute she is fast reliable factory gas(converter is band new as well) after 325,000ks gas barra is the best.
my au falcon auto .. lpg (vapour injection) (dual fuel) .. does 9.2 to 100 .. 2 people on board (same app)...
ran 9.0 on petrol..
L.P.G can be a very temperamental. The dedicated lpg vehicles are a lot better than duel fuel, but saying that newer cars could be a little different with the direct injection, and you should have a primer button or flick the key a couple of times before starting and a very regular gas tune!! And u mentioned the bottom end, going back to the el-ef models and nearly everyone of them got cracked heads from lack of water but taxi's and a few others out there came with the tickford head for hardened internals for the gas an the lack of liquid drying out and cracking the inside... But I'm sure I heard many year's ago that Ford have used motors (since the 1 off XF 2 door all wheel drive turbo) that come out the factory built that can have a turbo with 8-9 PSI bolted straight on?
This comment brings back memories of my old EL falcon blowing air boxes to bits and shooting rubber intake elbows across the front yard, oh the memories 😁👍
When you say "thats not the case today", are you saying that an LPG falcon is more expensive than standard petrol?
In march LPG was 50c a litre cheaper than fuel. "thats not the case today". When fuel prices crashed in April LPG was only 10-20c a litre cheaper.
No mechanic but ive got 2010 bf factory gas. It pulls well. No xr6 but seems most of the 194 is there. Does take while to chop down then pulls it keeps goin. Not a fast barra but smooth in like it. Thanx
Well actually the conrod in the LPG Barra is not the same as the Turbo Barra but it is chunkier than the petrol motor.
Pls do lpi version
I bought a 07 Ford falcon XL ute yesterday for my L and P plates, just so I can carry my bike around, LPG as well gotta learn how to fill it now 😂
The LPG barra is the preferred block for making big turbocharged performance. You guys have no idea do you!
Nah not a clue at all...... :|
156 only kw! Only slightly less than the petrol you say but what your forgetting or don’t know is the FG Barra responds very well to premium octane and puts out up to 209 kw with a commensurate increase in torque into the early 400’s, if you read the Ford manual even this suggests the increase or go to any Ford forum on this subject you will get this advice, I have ran my FG XR6 on premium since day one when new the other benefits. Include clean injectors and less carbon build up than if you ran the car on the shitty, crappy 91 sewerage
What’s the top 5 most common used car in Australia ? And the top 5 quickest to sell used car in Australia boys ?
The FG petrol 6 cylinder had 195 kw and I'm pretty sure that the lpg had more power again
Love my ute 2009 R6 LPG. Only thing I find is I think its thirsty around the city driving it gives me 22 to 23ltrs per 100kms. Highway around 16/100kms. Does anyone have the same issue? Sounds like the EcoLpi is more fuel friendly.
My Ford Fg lpg ute fuel tank only giving me 390 km per tank , on Odometer 21 km /100 . What will the issue
Change at 4500rpm because the rpm will actually closer to 5000rpm by the time ya shift.
how can i bring power to a ecopli engine?
Can you try an ecolpi, ute.
Hi is it xr6 fg ecolpi mk2 hve same hole in engine bay
Clean converter idle jets. Ford forums sent me.
Thanks for the tips. And holy shit so awesome getting shouted out on ford forums. 🤙
@@ZeroTo60Tube lol they are very passionate
Harder to start than my shitbox LPG 80 series 😯
Yeah, it didnt like sitting for a few weeks. Battery was a bit low.
Should have tested the EcoLpi. Petrol already going up.
Man i wish this was a ecoLpi instead of egas. Definitely got the short straw.
Why is a silver top?! Factory gas motors are green...
FG LPG Falcons all had the silver rocker cover.
It’s all in the diff. Torque diff.
Aren't these injected gas system from ba onwards?
No unfortunately. This was the very last of the old style. eLPG is the old style, the LPi cars are the injected ones.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks mate i was lead to believe ba onwards they where all injection but now I know better thanks
Bit so nice to drive.
How many klm range to a full tank of lpg
500
What app do you use for monitoring acceleration?
It's called a vbox sport. It's a GPS receiver and g sensor device that the phone connects to. It is regarded as the most accurate way to measure acceleration for a few years now.
Zero To 60 thanks, I’ve got a road map, O2 sensors, elder coils and plugs then MHD stage 1 then intercooler and Stage 1+, on that, what plugs would you recommend?
Also how about rae or fuelmiser coils, trying to buy locally atm
Christ , I got 0-100 in 3.5 seconds in my Gas motor BA Wagon .......... with a bit of boost , but still using BTR box :).
Really?? That’s amazing.
Do you still run the old fogged system or did you change to injection?
Also if it’s the old fogger how did you fit the turbo in as well? Did you move the fogger? I’m very keen on doing the same thing to my BF wagon. Would you be able to send us any info by any chance?
@@Martintheblackcar Hmm, I should have been more specific. I fitted a Gas motor to a Ba wagon and it's fuel injected and running e85. Have seen some of the boys in Sydney and Melbourne run the old 250 Crossflows on lpg and turbocharged. They were in the 10s , I believe they ran 2 foggers , but don't know the exact setup.
@@mg74xbgt Thanks a lot for your reply. I was originally really excited haha. Still yet to find people who have done it with the stock fogger only hear about too. When i find out i'm going to have to do a video for the LPG lovers.
I'd like to see the day where a bit will hold 1000hp
Atomic performance do a LPG block barra that puts out 1000kw !
Most people buy these for cheap fuel not 0-100 times !
You are correct, but could say that about 90% of the cars of the road. But there’s still times out there for every one of them.
Yer mines a late 8. But yer has torque.
It needs a speed chip in it.
there was a company that tuned them for 10% more power.
ok I'm confused........how does the slowest form of the barra get the better bottom end? lol
We also couldn't believe it at first.
Mark Peck because on lpg they backfire on startup and they could bend rods from doing so and they decided to chuck big dog rods in
lpg has been on its way out for years , its barely available in the country areas
Yeah it’s annoying to get in Sydney sometimes as well
Sorry to sound silly, but I'm unfamiliar with LPG gas and such. Could I get the rundown please
Not silly at all, it was something we didn't know much about until we moved to Australia. Liquid petroleum gas is a flammable gas that can be used in place of petrol, when it's in storage or even in the tanks in the car it is a liquid, it goes through the converter and in sent to the intake of the engine as a gas. It's a cleaner product than normal petrol which is why i think there are generally less taxes on it than petrol. It's really only used in vehicles because it's cheaper than petrol. However, it does have a higher octane rating, but the way petrol engines are adapted to LPG means it normally doesn't run as efficiently as the engine will on petrol. The latest generation of Falcon LPG cars were setup much better for LPG but most of the LPG cars out there are like this particular car.
9.8sec-10.2sec
That’s almost too close to believe haha!
8.6 seconds
Slower than I expected
That’s a pretty fair guess!
@@ZeroTo60Tube Hah that is exactly the time I got, 8.6s.
but the potential haha
9 seconds. You stole my guess
100th comment I have XR6 ecolpi MK2 6 speed 2012 sedan 198kw it's fantastic power and cheap on fuel $50 a week I do lots of ks for work
Its def faster than the ute there
i think you just have a shitty car because the lpg version is by far the most reliable and slightly more powerful, they also come stock with the bottom halve of the xr6 turbo, so you can push 30psi of boost with minor upgrades like headstuds, valve springs and oil pump gears because they like to shatter
This is an old e-gas model which wasn't the best. The eco LPI is way better
10 mins for a 0 to 100 time? Yeah not wasting my time
N reealy do you need 200 kms i dont
Mmmm that shirt tho 😊
You know it!!! haha
just bolting a turbo on wont get you 1000hp on these
You need to learn how to start an lpg. 😂 don’t buy one prior to 2012. My 2013 is a beast.
>:(
Im not slow