The big Gulf Coast 10 quart filter for heavy duty diesels is 99 percent at under 1 micron. When I sold them they used Bounty big roll paper towels. The flat head Ford V8 canister filter on my old Ford diesel tractor has half a roll of Viva towels in it now. About the same as the blue shop towels. John Frantz got his start in 19 53 converting the old canister filters to use a Frantz canister with a roll of 2 ply toilet paper. No Frantz elements or Scott 1000 in those days. I use only the Ford canister. Feed it with a Perma Cool 189 oil cooler sandwich adapter. Got mine from Jegs. Summit.has them. I have a tubeless tire valve in the lid. A tire pump with a gauge.The pressure comes up. When the pressure drops its ready to change. Use a Slime valve with a nut from Auto Zone .
The orifice is what controls the rate of flow When the element slows down the flow you have gone too long before changing it. Always change the filter before it reaches its capacity. My engine is pristine. I could change the filter every 20 k.I wouldn't be getting enough new oil to keep the additive package up. At my filter change interval of about 6k the filter is still clean and the oil is still clean. I use Scott 1000. I use a Motor Guard. The Frantz is a good filter if you know how to change it Most people don't.
The big 10 quart Gulf Coast Filter claims 99 percent at under 1 micron. Dont know what they use now. When I did diesels they used Bounty big roll paper towels.
Fram hasn't made a filter that cleans oil since the 60s. My 41 Dodge had a Fram that cleaned oil. It had a decal on it with a dip stick with clean oil on it. It read the dip stick tells the story. It was a bypass filter. John Frantz got his start converting them to use toilet paper. My Rambler American had a Fram bypass filter. It was a piece of crap pleated paper filter. I bolted a Frantz to the spin on bracket.
VIVA paper towels are similar. I use a sharp knife and go around a few times. Its a lot smoother cut. My flat head Ford V8 canister filter takes two 5 1/2 inch elements. Thats a 11 inch roll cut in half.
The Viva cloth paper towels are similar. I set up the flat head Ford canister filter to take the Scott 1000. I was able to remove the plate so it would take half a roll of 11 inch paper towels.
I tried the saw. I like the knife better. I mark it all the way around and put a good edge on the knife. The Scott 1000 worked great. Cant gravity enough fuel thru it for the Diesel tractor fuel. I remember when all we had to use was mlm 2 ply. The filters dont require a firm paper. For awhile I got my best 2 ply from janitorial supply stores. Went to the easier to service top loaders in the 80s.
Actually before Scott 1000 or the Frantz elements all we had was 2 ply toilet paper. It worked great. Ive been testing VIVA towels and Charmin Ultra Strong. Gulf Coast filters of Gulfport Mississippi uses Big roll Bounty towels in the big diesel engines. They used 2 ply TP in the Frantz 3 stackers before Frantz 3 stackers went out of production.
Years ago I did a fleet of tree service equipment. The big filters took Bounty Big roll paper towels. The small filters took Scott 1000. Not sure what Gulf Coast filters uses now. They dropped the small filters. They paid to have the big filters tested. They are 99 percent at under 1 micron. That is about as good as you can get.
I might be wrong. In the 60s all we had was 2 ply paper It worked fine. We didnt have Scott 1000 or Frantz elements. I ply was what you found in chemical toilets. The only thing that fits the Frantz is the Frantz elements now. The Charmin ultra strong is similar to what we had in the 60s except it fit.
I have packed loose paper in the bottom and pushed a roll of Scott 1000 down on top of it. It seals at the top. I have a tubeless tire valve in the lid to push out the excess oil before changing it.
The only problem I have with toilet paper is it doesn't fit. Frantz is a terrible design for using toilet paper. I used the Frantz for about 20 years before going to the top loaders in the 80s. All of the best ones now are top loaders. The next Viva towels I cut for the Ford filter I will use a sharp knife. I have a old shovel handle to push thru the core. The core is hard to cut with no backing.
Cool idea. It looked like the metal tube you used did not fit tightly against the cardboard. Wont the oil just bypass the element? Also how are you monitoring flow rate? I'd love to have a flow rate on my frantz to tell when it needs to be changed.
I was going to do another video about some of the stuff I have learned about the Frantz, it does need to fit tighter or the paper will expand against the metal tube and loosen up allowing more particles to pass. There is a metal ring on the base that stops the oil flow down the cardboard center. My system has a return line in the fill cap, its easy to measure the flow rate into a container or collect a sample, use a meat thermometer to determine oil temps for a comparison. I am working on a measurement of the Scott 1000 element to get the same quality TP element every time. The formula is how much to remove to get a tight fit based on how the TP will compress and fit in the canister with minimal effort.
I just picked up some scott1000 for the first time (been using the unit for 10 years maybe). I'm just planning to take off enough so I can barely shove it in.. The frantz filters I bought directly even seemed too loose. I'd be interested in any such vid if you make it. I think so many of us have different (good) mods for it. I was thinking of making the inlet hole even smaller, or installing an adjustable needle valve on the inlet line, as I think it is flowing too much. I put a clear tube in a portion of the return line...(after you gave me the idea to monitor flow) if it wasn't for an occasional bubble I would have no idea since the oil is so clean it looks like there is nothing inside the tube lol. These things rock. 99% of people have no clue. Anyways it seemed to be flowing much more than I expected. Maybe a tight fit with the scott 1000 will slow it down. I just did a rebuild and swapped my frantz into that vehicle so I'll be replacing the filter more often for a while. Now I need to find another one to replace the frantz I stole from my other car. :)
weeral1 I made another vid where I measured the canister (13-1/4" around) and the Scott Roll, was able to fit 14" inside with a tight fit. The flow rate is slow on a cold engine but pumps 1 pint per min on a hot engine... My engine is a diesel and it had a load of crap in it, the TP roll gets changed every 20 hours and the top of the roll has grit in it every time. I also do lab testing to verify the improvement in clean oil. [Thanks for your comments]
I was using a fine toothed hacksaw and going around a few times. A sharp knife makes a lot smoother cut. Ive been using VIVA towels. I believe Gulf Coast filters claims Bounty big roll paper towels are a 1 micron filter. The Australian Jackmaster Classic claims 1 micron if you use their elements.
When I started using the Frantz in 1963 they didnt have the ring in the bottom or the bail to remove the used TP. The ring isnt needed if you use good paper and install it correctly. I used long nosed pliers to remove the paper. The Australian Jackmaster Classic has a pull out ring if you use their elements. I use toilet paper so I need the long nosed pliers and a socket to remove the lid. I went to the top loaders in the 80s. Jackmaster has a valve in the lid to push out the excess oil before changing it. Mine didnt need it. I put a Slime tubeless tire valve in the Ford canister lid. The one with the nut.
The Australian Jackmaster Classic has the air valve as optional equipment. The only filter I have that needs it is the Ford canister filter. I put a regular Slime bolt on tubeless tire valve in the lid.
I started using toilet paper oil filters In 1963. Frantz on a Rambler American. I have done very well with toilet paper. Never had to use shop towels. I use Scott 1000 now. It was a.lot easier to find high quality paper in 1963.You are wasting a lot of time.
Hey there! So i was just talking to my buddy who works at Cummins rebuilding engines in Australia, He said that the cummins engines he works on run a 30 Micron full flow filter and a 5 micron bypass filter, do you think this is the reason the Cummins engines last so long ??
Yes, almost all diesel engines run a bypass system to remove abrasive soot. Studies were done on a GM 350 and the result was 4X longer engine life using the Frantz oil filter to remove small particles.
The space between the tube and paper core means nothing.the seal at the bottom is what counts. The Gulf Coast O1 Jr has about a 1 3/8 tube.It has a good seal at the bottom plus you are pushing the element down against the seal when you change it. Watch out for the B S stories. I have been hearing them for over 50 years. A guy asked me will a Frantz do something for my noisy Cadilac engine.I asked when did you change the oil last.He said I don't know it's been a long time. Does anyone think this fool would change the Frantz IF I sold him one. He would take his Caddy to a mechanic with a blown engine. He would be told his engine is full of toilet paper when it is full of sludge. Its not a problem with these modern engine but in the 60s I have seen a Frantz fill up with sludge in 50 miles. They didn't have good crankcase ventilation or fuel injection. My Altima gets a new roll of Scott 1000 every 6000 miles and a quart of Pennzoil Platinum .What oil is best ? I have no idea.
I ran this paper towel because its more porous to hold dirt and it worked wonders to polish the oil. I went back to Scotts 1000 rolls changed every 15-20 hours until the oil became clean. The last time I did a particle count, the results are very good. The first sample was 18/17/14 and reduced to 16/15/12
I saw a video with a Frantz canister on a Toyota, it cleans the oil better than the small filter. I have one on a 6-cylender diesel. Keep in mind this is an expensive system to purchase and install.
In the early 80s a Realtor here in Denton Texas asked me if it was too late to put a Frantz on his Toyota Corolla with near 100.000 miles on it. I asked him how long he planed to keep it. He said a long time. I said it needs a Frantz. Years later my wife was introducing me at church. She said mr Biggs this is my husband. He said I remember Ralph. The Corolla has over 500.000 miles on it. Took the boy scouts on a camp out and they found the Frantz elements.
I ran a 84 Subaru over 250.000 miles with no oil drains using Mobil 1 with a Frantz oil cleaner. I used a Frantz adapter that eliminated the Full flow filter. The problem with cars is finding room to mount one. The best filter for cars is the Jackmaster Classic. The over center clamp can be a pain in tight places.
In the old days engines generated a lot of sludge. If the Frantz quit getting hot you knew the orifice was clogged or the toilet paper was full of sludge.
Moe Shouse Some people run these in addition to a regular filter. Or they run them on vehicles with hard to reach filters. Yes there are other options out there. Some of those options have expensive replacement filters. With this setup they are 99 cents after setup.
It is not a full flow filter if it is 2-3 microns. It will not flow enough for an engine unless it is 8 inches in diameter and about 15 inches long. I think you need to do more research.
Motor Guard started as a lube oil filter in 1961. They have always claimed submicronic. I believe Frantz was similar. The Jackmaster Classic claims 1 micron if you use their elements. I would think it would depend on the quality of the toilet paper flow rate and pressure. The Australian Jackmaster Classic must use a firm roll of toilet paper such as Scott 1000 or the Jackmaster Classic element which is a very high quality roll lof Australian toilet paper in a sock. The Jackmaster Classic has a standard size orifice at the outlet. About .060. I put a .025 wire welder tip in a brass fitting and put it in the inlet. The Jackmaster cleans about 3/4 quart when the oil is hot. Im i the Dallas Texas area. This might not work in cold country short trips. I check the filter to make sure it is getting hot.
It's a bad thing to do I have riped a part classic cars with what your doing on them. And have found that they destroy the motor. And have talked to restoration shops and they've came to the same conclusion by building a filter this way it will destroy your motor very quickly and there is no game.
The Frantz is a bypass filter Johnathan, as they should be used. There was a company called Stilko, that replaced the normal oil filter with their canister. Those are the ones that failed, plus they are no longer in business. Frantz, Amsoil, Eco Filters, Gulf Coast, and Kleenoil are all in business because they are used as a partial flow filter, in ADDITION to the normal engine filter.
johnathan hawkins - Not even remotely close. These kinds of filters are used all the time on diesel engines to filter out the soot, and they're not killing engines. Is it possible you ran across a single instance where something went wrong and killed the engine? Sure, it's possible I guess. It's also possible any full flow filter might fail in rare circumstances and release crud into the engine, resulting in catastrophic failure. Does that mean you shouldn't used a regular full flow filter? Of course not.
I have used toilet paper filters since 1963 starting with a Frantz. There is no way a toilet paper filter can cause problems. People can cause problems. The Stilco type filters convert the full flow system to a bypass system. A large bypass valve stays open as long as the engine is running. You cant make a full flow filter out of 1/3 of a roll of toilet paper. I like the top loaders with oil lines going to them. My Ford diesel tractor has a flat head Ford V8 canister filter converted to use a 4 1/2 inch roll of scott 1000. My best filter for tight places is a Jackmaster Classic.
Years ago Gulf Coast filters had Frantz 3 stackers all over the Gulf of mexico on expensive marine engines and locomotive engines on drilling rigs When they went out of production they were replaced with paper towel filters. Saw the FAA approved AeroFrantz on crop dusters north of Sedan Kansas Frantz had testimonials from light aircraft owners and oil analysis reports. They used 2 ply toilet paper. No Scott 1000 or Frantz elements in those days. The clamp bolted on. Its a tough business trying to sell filters that clean oil to people that think proper maintenance is allowing the oil to get dirty then draining it. The internet is helping. NASA read my posts and started using Gulf Coast Filters. That wouldnt have happened at the Flea Market.
The big Gulf Coast 10 quart filter for heavy duty diesels is 99 percent at under 1 micron. When I sold them they used Bounty big roll paper towels. The flat head Ford V8 canister filter on my old Ford diesel tractor has half a roll of Viva towels in it now. About the same as the blue shop towels. John Frantz got his start in 19 53 converting the old canister filters to use a Frantz canister with a roll of 2 ply toilet paper. No Frantz elements or Scott 1000 in those days. I use only the Ford canister. Feed it with a Perma Cool 189 oil cooler sandwich adapter. Got mine from Jegs. Summit.has them. I have a tubeless tire valve in the lid. A tire pump with a gauge.The pressure comes up. When the pressure drops its ready to change. Use a Slime valve with a nut from Auto Zone .
The orifice is what controls the rate of flow When the element slows down the flow you have gone too long before changing it. Always change the filter before it reaches its capacity. My engine is pristine. I could change the filter every 20 k.I wouldn't be getting enough new oil to keep the additive package up. At my filter change interval of about 6k the filter is still clean and the oil is still clean. I use Scott 1000. I use a Motor Guard. The Frantz is a good filter if you know how to change it
Most people don't.
Thank you for your knowledge
Do you happen to know how many microns the shop towels have.
I couldn’t find an exact number.
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The big 10 quart Gulf Coast Filter claims 99 percent at under 1 micron. Dont know what they use now. When I did diesels they used Bounty big roll paper towels.
Fram hasn't made a filter that cleans oil since the 60s. My 41 Dodge had a Fram that cleaned oil. It had a decal on it with a dip stick with clean oil on it. It read the dip stick tells the story. It was a bypass filter. John Frantz got his start converting them to use toilet paper. My Rambler American had a Fram bypass filter. It was a piece of crap pleated paper filter. I bolted a Frantz to the spin on bracket.
VIVA paper towels are similar. I use a sharp knife and go around a few times. Its a lot smoother cut. My flat head Ford V8 canister filter takes two 5 1/2 inch elements. Thats a 11 inch roll cut in half.
The Viva cloth paper towels are similar. I set up the flat head Ford canister filter to take the Scott 1000. I was able to remove the plate so it would take half a roll of 11 inch paper towels.
Correction. I removed the spacers under the perforated plate so the plate would go to the bottom.
I tried the saw. I like the knife better. I mark it all the way around and put a good edge on the knife. The Scott 1000 worked great. Cant gravity enough fuel thru it for the Diesel tractor fuel. I remember when all we had to use was mlm 2 ply. The filters dont require a firm paper. For awhile I got my best 2 ply from janitorial supply stores. Went to the easier to service top loaders in the 80s.
Did you ever get lab results for the quality of filtration for this experiment??
great video keep experimenting
Waste of time
Scott 1000 works better because it is more solid. I have used Toilet Paper since 1963. It has worked for me.
I have been doing it with a sharp knife.
Actually before Scott 1000 or the Frantz elements all we had was 2 ply toilet paper. It worked great. Ive been testing VIVA towels and Charmin Ultra Strong. Gulf Coast filters of Gulfport Mississippi uses Big roll Bounty towels in the big diesel engines. They used 2 ply TP in the Frantz 3 stackers before Frantz 3 stackers went out of production.
Years ago I did a fleet of tree service equipment. The big filters took Bounty Big roll paper towels. The small filters took Scott 1000. Not sure what Gulf Coast filters uses now. They dropped the small filters. They paid to have the big filters tested. They are 99 percent at under 1 micron. That is about as good as you can get.
I might be wrong. In the 60s all we had was 2 ply paper It worked fine. We didnt have Scott 1000 or Frantz elements. I ply was what you found in chemical toilets. The only thing that fits the Frantz is the Frantz elements now. The Charmin ultra strong is similar to what we had in the 60s except it fit.
So just how much did you have to drink that you couldn't find the toilet paper ?
My thoughts exactly.
The flat head ford V8 canister filter on my diesel tractor takes 5 1/2 inch elements. Thats a 11 inch roll of VIVA cut in half.
I have packed loose paper in the bottom and pushed a roll of Scott 1000 down on top of it. It seals at the top. I have a tubeless tire valve in the lid to push out the excess oil before changing it.
The only problem I have with toilet paper is it doesn't fit. Frantz is a terrible design for using toilet paper. I used the Frantz for about 20 years before going to the top loaders in the 80s. All of the best ones now are top loaders. The next Viva towels I cut for the Ford filter I will use a sharp knife. I have a old shovel handle to push thru the core. The core is hard to cut with no backing.
Cool idea. It looked like the metal tube you used did not fit tightly against the cardboard. Wont the oil just bypass the element? Also how are you monitoring flow rate? I'd love to have a flow rate on my frantz to tell when it needs to be changed.
I was going to do another video about some of the stuff I have learned about the Frantz, it does need to fit tighter or the paper will expand against the metal tube and loosen up allowing more particles to pass. There is a metal ring on the base that stops the oil flow down the cardboard center. My system has a return line in the fill cap, its easy to measure the flow rate into a container or collect a sample, use a meat thermometer to determine oil temps for a comparison. I am working on a measurement of the Scott 1000 element to get the same quality TP element every time. The formula is how much to remove to get a tight fit based on how the TP will compress and fit in the canister with minimal effort.
I just picked up some scott1000 for the first time (been using the unit for 10 years maybe). I'm just planning to take off enough so I can barely shove it in.. The frantz filters I bought directly even seemed too loose. I'd be interested in any such vid if you make it. I think so many of us have different (good) mods for it. I was thinking of making the inlet hole even smaller, or installing an adjustable needle valve on the inlet line, as I think it is flowing too much. I put a clear tube in a portion of the return line...(after you gave me the idea to monitor flow) if it wasn't for an occasional bubble I would have no idea since the oil is so clean it looks like there is nothing inside the tube lol. These things rock. 99% of people have no clue. Anyways it seemed to be flowing much more than I expected. Maybe a tight fit with the scott 1000 will slow it down. I just did a rebuild and swapped my frantz into that vehicle so I'll be replacing the filter more often for a while. Now I need to find another one to replace the frantz I stole from my other car. :)
weeral1
I made another vid where I measured the canister (13-1/4" around) and the Scott Roll, was able to fit 14" inside with a tight fit. The flow rate is slow on a cold engine but pumps 1 pint per min on a hot engine... My engine is a diesel and it had a load of crap in it, the TP roll gets changed every 20 hours and the top of the roll has grit in it every time. I also do lab testing to verify the improvement in clean oil. [Thanks for your comments]
Serrated bread knife or very sharp kitchen knife would probably work better than a saw for a roll of paper towels...
I was using a fine toothed hacksaw and going around a few times. A sharp knife makes a lot smoother cut. Ive been using VIVA towels. I believe Gulf Coast filters claims Bounty big roll paper towels are a 1 micron filter. The Australian Jackmaster Classic claims 1 micron if you use their elements.
When I started using the Frantz in 1963 they didnt have the ring in the bottom or the bail to remove the used TP. The ring isnt needed if you use good paper and install it correctly. I used long nosed pliers to remove the paper. The Australian Jackmaster Classic has a pull out ring if you use their elements. I use toilet paper so I need the long nosed pliers and a socket to remove the lid. I went to the top loaders in the 80s. Jackmaster has a valve in the lid to push out the excess oil before changing it. Mine didnt need it. I put a Slime tubeless tire valve in the Ford canister lid. The one with the nut.
The Australian Jackmaster Classic has the air valve as optional equipment. The only filter I have that needs it is the Ford canister filter. I put a regular Slime bolt on tubeless tire valve in the lid.
How's it working out?
Probly has paper media all around his engine XD oil pressure and heat probly tore them towels up and im sure it made its way into the engine lmfao
I started using toilet paper oil filters In 1963. Frantz on a Rambler American. I have done very well with toilet paper. Never had to use shop towels. I use Scott 1000 now. It was a.lot easier to find high quality paper in 1963.You are wasting a lot of time.
Hey there! So i was just talking to my buddy who works at Cummins rebuilding engines in Australia, He said that the cummins engines he works on run a 30 Micron full flow filter and a 5 micron bypass filter, do you think this is the reason the Cummins engines last so long ??
Yes, almost all diesel engines run a bypass system to remove abrasive soot. Studies were done on a GM 350 and the result was 4X longer engine life using the Frantz oil filter to remove small particles.
Many years ago Cummins claimed an 80 % longer engine life using the Cummins Fleetguard 750. They used pulverized newspapers and wood chips.
The space between the tube and paper core means nothing.the seal at the bottom is what counts. The Gulf Coast O1 Jr has about a 1 3/8 tube.It has a good seal at the bottom plus you are pushing the element down against the seal when you change it. Watch out for the B S stories. I have been hearing them for over 50 years. A guy asked me will a Frantz do something for my noisy Cadilac engine.I asked when did you change the oil last.He said I don't know it's been a long time. Does anyone think this fool would change the Frantz IF I sold him one. He would take his Caddy to a mechanic with a blown engine. He would be told his engine is full of toilet paper when it is full of sludge. Its not a problem with these modern engine but in the 60s I have seen a Frantz fill up with sludge in 50 miles. They didn't have good crankcase ventilation or fuel injection. My Altima gets a new roll of Scott 1000 every 6000 miles and a quart of Pennzoil Platinum .What oil is best ? I have no idea.
Nice
So how's it work?
I ran this paper towel because its more porous to hold dirt and it worked wonders to polish the oil. I went back to Scotts 1000 rolls changed every 15-20 hours until the oil became clean. The last time I did a particle count, the results are very good. The first sample was 18/17/14 and reduced to 16/15/12
It doesn't
wonder if somethingl ike this could be used on a 4 cylinder car only seem t o see them on trucks
I saw a video with a Frantz canister on a Toyota, it cleans the oil better than the small filter. I have one on a 6-cylender diesel. Keep in mind this is an expensive system to purchase and install.
Yes, and they are easier to install (usually).
In the early 80s a Realtor here in Denton Texas asked me if it was too late to put a Frantz on his Toyota Corolla with near 100.000 miles on it. I asked him how long he planed to keep it. He said a long time. I said it needs a Frantz. Years later my wife was introducing me at church. She said mr Biggs this is my husband. He said I remember Ralph. The Corolla has over 500.000 miles on it. Took the boy scouts on a camp out and they found the Frantz elements.
You need to be mechanically inclined to install and take care of them.
I ran a 84 Subaru over 250.000 miles with no oil drains using Mobil 1 with a Frantz oil cleaner. I used a Frantz adapter that eliminated the Full flow filter. The problem with cars is finding room to mount one. The best filter for cars is the Jackmaster Classic. The over center clamp can be a pain in tight places.
When the engine is up to operating temp, does the canister get hot?
+dieselworld Its oil temperature, 160-200 degrees F
That's what I thought because my Frantz oil refiner does not get warm at all.
Yes, very hot. My arm told me that.
If the oil is hot the filter should be hot
In the old days engines generated a lot of sludge. If the Frantz quit getting hot you knew the orifice was clogged or the toilet paper was full of sludge.
a Fram C3P is only $10.00. and filters down to 2-3 micron. why do you want to reinvent the wheel? er filter?
Moe Shouse Some people run these in addition to a regular filter. Or they run them on vehicles with hard to reach filters. Yes there are other options out there. Some of those options have expensive replacement filters. With this setup they are 99 cents after setup.
Fram c3p
It is not a full flow filter if it is 2-3 microns. It will not flow enough for an engine unless it is 8 inches in diameter and about 15 inches long. I think you need to do more research.
Is that used as a secondary by pass filter ?
Motor Guard started as a lube oil filter in 1961. They have always claimed submicronic. I believe Frantz was similar. The Jackmaster Classic claims 1 micron if you use their elements. I would think it would depend on the quality of the toilet paper flow rate and pressure. The Australian Jackmaster Classic must use a firm roll of toilet paper such as Scott 1000 or the Jackmaster Classic element which is a very high quality roll lof Australian toilet paper in a sock. The Jackmaster Classic has a standard size orifice at the outlet. About .060. I put a .025 wire welder tip in a brass fitting and put it in the inlet. The Jackmaster cleans about 3/4 quart when the oil is hot. Im i the Dallas Texas area. This might not work in cold country short trips. I check the filter to make sure it is getting hot.
It's a bad thing to do I have riped a part classic cars with what your doing on them. And have found that they destroy the motor. And have talked to restoration shops and they've came to the same conclusion by building a filter this way it will destroy your motor very quickly and there is no game.
The Frantz is a bypass filter Johnathan, as they should be used. There was a company called Stilko, that replaced the normal oil filter with their canister. Those are the ones that failed, plus they are no longer in business. Frantz, Amsoil, Eco Filters, Gulf Coast, and Kleenoil are all in business because they are used as a partial flow filter, in ADDITION to the normal engine filter.
johnathan hawkins - Not even remotely close. These kinds of filters are used all the time on diesel engines to filter out the soot, and they're not killing engines. Is it possible you ran across a single instance where something went wrong and killed the engine? Sure, it's possible I guess. It's also possible any full flow filter might fail in rare circumstances and release crud into the engine, resulting in catastrophic failure. Does that mean you shouldn't used a regular full flow filter? Of course not.
I have used toilet paper filters since 1963 starting with a Frantz. There is no way a toilet paper filter can cause problems. People can cause problems. The Stilco type filters convert the full flow system to a bypass system. A large bypass valve stays open as long as the engine is running. You cant make a full flow filter out of 1/3 of a roll of toilet paper. I like the top loaders with oil lines going to them. My Ford diesel tractor has a flat head Ford V8 canister filter converted to use a 4 1/2 inch roll of scott 1000. My best filter for tight places is a Jackmaster Classic.
I have Motor Guards Gulf Coasts a Jackmaster Classic and the Ford. Its a fact of life bull shit stories come with toilet paper filters.
Years ago Gulf Coast filters had Frantz 3 stackers all over the Gulf of mexico on expensive marine engines and locomotive engines on drilling rigs When they went out of production they were replaced with paper towel filters. Saw the FAA approved AeroFrantz on crop dusters north of Sedan Kansas Frantz had testimonials from light aircraft owners and oil analysis reports. They used 2 ply toilet paper. No Scott 1000 or Frantz elements in those days. The clamp bolted on. Its a tough business trying to sell filters that clean oil to people that think proper maintenance is allowing the oil to get dirty then draining it. The internet is helping. NASA read my posts and started using Gulf Coast Filters. That wouldnt have happened at the Flea Market.