Creator Roundtable featuring Vita Ayala, Tini Howard, & Leah Williams
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2020
- A discussion of X-Men and other texts Vita, Tini, and Leah have found formative and how that has influenced their work, contemporary comics, and what changes panel members would like to see in the future of the comics industry.
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Get Leah Williams' Gwenpool Strikes Back here: bookshop.org/a/2406/978130291... 
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What in the fuck did mainstream comics become!?
Please god never let them into the room where the movies are being made at marvel
Too late
I thought this about comics. WTF is all this talk about feelings smh
This is why you gatekeep hobbies.
The amount of talent in this room could fill a thimble...what a bunch of hacks
I couldn't even finish watching this...😮
To be honest… this was brutal to listen to. I thought I was going to listen to creatives bounce ideas or creative writing processes… or talk about their understanding of different characters… and why certain character arch’s are written the way they are… but this was ear piercing. If this was Mc Farlane, Larsen and Lee… it would have been interesting. Even if it was Liefeld it would have been interesting.
Listen to Chris Claremont "Can't shut up about his characters and his stories". Listen to this "Characters and story where?" If I wanted to listen to a therapy group, I'd join one myself.
Black lesbian ✔✔
Asian ✔
White Ginger ✔✔
So this trio are the faces of today's comic book writers, well, that explains things.
I love Leah
They don't sound like comic book fans.
Your bigotry is OK , it’s other peoples bigotry that’s the problem, got it
Failed Tumblr People getting hired in mainstream media (comic/tv/movies) as writers/creatives, this is what it looks like to fail up wards and how low standards for literature has fallen.
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Facts. Thank God for indie/manga titles.
I don't see any X-Men here, just Ex-Men.
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And now this Tini Howard is destroying Catwoman.
So these are some of the weirdos responsible for destroying the comic book industry huh ? Smdh
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This is who we have to hold responsible for the death of marvel. Like like literally like coffee make-up like tiktok like just like..... Lol
I couldn't imagine what dumpster fires they would create. How can you write anything when you struggle to speak ONE complete sentence without saying the same words repetitively?
Tini Howard completely destroyed Betsy Braddock (formerly known as Psylocke).
Betsy never should have been Psylocke, it was weird as shit. Kwannon and Betsy being separate characters both used in current comics makes more sense.
@@dogico It wasn't weird at the time it was done, it just took too long to separate them. I mean Tini Howard has turned Betsy into an unlikable, rude, nasty, sour and weak character with no agency or power as a leader. Betsy was pretty strong when she was in Kwannon's body, there is no reason for such a character shift in her own body, it's still Betsy!
I wonder how Vita or Leah would have approached Betsy?
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I wouldn't say that, especially not about Vita. Out of the three, I think Vita is probably one of the better writers. They definitely are doing a great job on New Mutants currently. The only thing I can think of currently that could be seen as "sjw" or "subversion of western culture" is Leah Williams' X-Factor with the LGBTQ+ subtext and themes. Outside of that, I don't feel like they are doing that. We know Hickman is a troll who always kept teasing the idea of Cyclops, Jean, and Wolverine in a threesome...but I think he is just trolling.
I don't think Jonathan Hickman is even writing anything anymore. I think they just paid him for HOX/POX, and to use his name while Tini, Leah, Vita, Gerry, and Ben Percy write everything.
Thank you for posting this discussion, ReedPop, Ms. Howard, Ms. Williams and Vita. I have read a few of your comic books from Marvel and they are all great. '-')b
I hope you stay supporting each other writing comics and books. I'll do my best to support you guys too. '-')b
Kinda boring.
Boring video featuring boring people talking about boring stuff.
i like how you all are the best of pals. its so sweet.
i also like the use of the word GOOBER.
Someone has to like them, might as well be each other.
This is delightful and insightful if you like comics and/or wonderful people. Hopefully this is the future for basically everything from now on.
@@itzasweater9621 You mean because they continue to produce different types of stories instead of recycling stale and expended continuity tracks? Or because they continue to develop characters who have been diluted into meaninglessness over time? Or maybe because they are doing the work to make sure a franchise appeals to a wider, future audience instead of pandering to nostalgia? I don't love everything they put out (far from it actually), but love and respect that it's out there, and that it's talking to more people. Nothing is for everyone and that's ok too.
@@jamiejamesw.4533 If plunging sales for comics is reaching a "wider, future audience" then something is amiss. There simply is no market for their woke dreck. Sales figures don't lie. Their stories are predictable, always focusing on how oppressed and victimized their characters are, and how racist and sexist anyone is who does not look or think as they do are. Just recycled stale dreck and expended continuity tracks. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@hellogoodbye4061 Yikes. Would you mind sharing your source on those sales numbers? I couldn't find anything that validated them but maybe i'm missing something. I did text my local comic shop owner just to see and she said Excalibur, Trial, X-Factor, etc all sell just as as a lot of the other x-stuff.
As for oppressed characters...are you an X-men fan? The franchise is literally based on a group of people being oppressed over racism, so i don't really understand your objection there.
As for stale, which parts would you describe as recycled? Which title? What character arc? I'll happily go back and reread them with that in mind and maybe i'll see it your way.
@@jamiejamesw.4533 There's a monthly publication that lists comic book/Manga/Anime sales....it's called Comic(something)...will try to look for it, but the last one I saw in January listed only ONE DC or Marvel comic within the Top 50, and that was Batman, the last non-woke comic currently produced by DC.
In terms of "recycled"...I suppose my aim was to say that all these types of writers (the three here are poster girls in this regard) all focus on identity rather than story....they focus SOLELY on some form of racism/homophobia/sexism angle...all....the....freakin'.....time. It was fine when this form of storyline first came into vogue around 2014, but the Everyday Joe and Jane has simply grown weary of it all, if sales are any indication. Racism is bad. Sexism is bad. Homophobia is bad. We get it!! Enough already!! Do you think the average schmoo wants to sit down after work, grab a comic based on how evil he is because he is white and/or male? Um, doubtful.
It is not the message, per se, it is the punch in the mouth neverending push...it's all, well, "recycled."
Also, Marvel and DC movies that lean heavy on the wokeness/feminism all tend to bomb, with perhaps an exception or two (Captain Marvel is a good example, which was propped up by Endgame).
Don't ask your comic book shop, she is just trying to sell stuff. I'll try to find that listing....it comes out monthly.
Also, thank you for the respectful reply, so rare in the netherworld of RUclips. Usually, whenever I comment, it is usually met with nonsensical insults. Your response was a breathe of fresh air.
@@hellogoodbye4061 Aw thanks! My initial reaction came in a little hot because it seemed like a stranger was telling me that something i liked was objectively bad so i took a pause, and then reread your comment with fresh eyes. I felt a little attacked at first, but it sounds like you feel a little attacked by comics too- so i'm just assuming that you didn't actually mean it that way at me (any more than comics probably mean it that way at you).
I think there's room for critical analysis and disagreements if everyone can try to see it from the other side- which is generally just a person who wants the stuff that they like to be "good" and likable to as many people as possible so that it survives. You're advocating for stories with immediate, broad appeal market appeal (presumably) because you like comics, right? I like comics too! :) So we have something in common and can build from there. We may disagree on the best way to cement long term appeal mass appeal (and maybe even who that mass is), but we do agree on the overall mission. So that's something too.
If you do find that list, i'd love to see to if Excalibur or X-Factor do significantly less well than the rest of the x-stuff. Or even Avengers stuff (which i think is super weak these days- but maybe thats just me) There are probably a ton of factors at play besides- i'm going to say "progressiveness", (but I get that you would probably say "wokeness" ), like tie ins (both print and live action), position in a given story arc or writer's run, guest artist, advertising, even what else comes out that month, etc. So it's a contributing factor sure, but it would be a bad faith argument to say it's the only factor, right?
I do get you on the mouth punch feeling and how sometimes a comic can say the quiet part loud. Sometimes the subtext becomes the main text and it feels kind of uncomfortable. Roy Thomas Avengers comics from the early 70's often have the same feel. Even Claremont was guilty of it at times. It might be kind of a learning curve on how to get a theme across to the dummies who don't get the stuff that seems obvious (to us) without causing eye rolls in the people who do. Writing for a 10 year old and a 45 year old at the same time HAS to be difficult.
Obviously i could go on forever, so lets table the movie sales debate.... for now. :)
Odd questions, but have you read the latest runs on Spider-Woman and Black Widow? They are totally different and really fun.
Thanks for the discourse! Maybe we can become a case study on RUclips interactions! :)
All three of these peeps are *amazing*.
Coupling these three with the word "creator"...talk about the ultimate oxymoron.
The three worst comic book writers in the history of comics.
Loving Vita's New Mutants just glad that Gabby is back in the spotlight. Loved her speech in this issue (#18)
Guess somebody has to love Vita, might as well be you.
Love Leah and Tini
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Guess somebody has to, might as well be you.
Love them. The future of the x-men is in good hands =)
This aged like milk😭
Their books sold like crap.
Nice joke
This is so boring
Thanks for utterly destroying the comic book industry.