Winter War 1939-1940 - The Setup DOCUMENTARY

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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  4 года назад +165

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    • @TyrannosaurusRex5027
      @TyrannosaurusRex5027 4 года назад +4

      @Kings and Generals I have fluffy relatives who lived in similar climates. They were covered in thick feathers that kept them warm in the cold temperatures.
      As always another excellent video. Only you guys can make an era I dont study fascinating

    • @zuzudernegger9721
      @zuzudernegger9721 4 года назад

      It's better to skip 20th century wars.

    • @user-hv9zf6fw3o
      @user-hv9zf6fw3o 4 года назад

      Arabic?

    • @captainsalamander5473
      @captainsalamander5473 4 года назад

      Good video!A history of epic and brave.
      Expecting you can consider greco-italian war I sggusted.

    • @johndaniel9714
      @johndaniel9714 4 года назад +5

      Hey kings and generals make on 1965 India-Pakistan war.

  • @dinolandia8978
    @dinolandia8978 4 года назад +218

    Little known fact - Mannerheim was an Imperial Russian General in WWI and the personal bodyguard of the last czar. While not initially fluent in Russian he learned over the years. Thus, he was familiar with operational doctrines and tactics used by the Russian army when they invaded. He was even able to translate commands given over radio intercept. Mannerheim was also the czar's spy to Qing China. His mission was to probe for weak points and look for locals who would be amenable to joining Russia in the event of a Chinese revolution. He made his way through present day Xinjiang, Gansu, Tibet, and finally Beijing while posing as a historian. His report gave a detailed account of Chinese modernization, troop movements, fort locations, weapon types, geography, etc. He compiled this information into a report which was later used by the Russians in their fight against the Japanese first in Kalkin Ghol and then later in their sweep through northern China in the dying days of WW2. This man deserves his own documentary.

    • @Jokakutihut1
      @Jokakutihut1 4 года назад +9

      He really does deserve his own documentary.

    • @dinolandia8978
      @dinolandia8978 4 года назад +24

      @@Jokakutihut1 Mannerheim remained an imperial loyalist all throughout his life and kept a signed portrait of the old czar in his study. When visitors asked why he kept a painting of the long dead czar he said always said simply, "b/c he is my emperor." He blamed himself for losing the Russian Civil War where he was a general on the Whites and the execution of the royal family. There is a fascinating book about him - "The Horse that Leaps through Clouds."

    • @Jokakutihut1
      @Jokakutihut1 4 года назад +4

      @@dinolandia8978 might give it a read thanks

    • @scepticalwalker3984
      @scepticalwalker3984 4 года назад +7

      He respected and even loved old Russia but hated Stalin’s USSR. As you say he lead Russian troops in WW1. Started as a ‘one star’ general (brigade) 1914 and ended it as a ‘three star’ general LtGen (corps) 1917. Not sure he participated in the Russian civil war after the revolution. He was busy fighting for Finnish independence after 1917

    • @alexanderbarkman7832
      @alexanderbarkman7832 4 года назад +10

      @@scepticalwalker3984
      Finland never fought for intependence, it was given to them from Lenin.
      The whites in Finland did fight against the majority red population with German aid tho.

  • @AHersheyHere
    @AHersheyHere 4 года назад +497

    Can't imagine where the Winter Olympic event that combines skiing and shooting at a target came from.
    Looking forward to the upcoming episodes.

    • @attilakatona-bugner1140
      @attilakatona-bugner1140 4 года назад +30

      They just practiced for the winter olympics

    • @locassen
      @locassen 4 года назад +14

      It comes from Norway, actually:)

    • @Ashtonlegoguy
      @Ashtonlegoguy 4 года назад +4

      Aaro Pajari, a man of the meme. Also, Siilasvuo. The artist of Raatteentie

    • @parvuspeach
      @parvuspeach 4 года назад +3

      same applies for penthatle in the summer olympics, all military exercise sports

    • @unknowntraveller8633
      @unknowntraveller8633 4 года назад +1

      Has to be my favourite Winter Olympic event..

  • @MrBigCookieCrumble
    @MrBigCookieCrumble 4 года назад +1065

    There's an old joke about the winter war that goes something like this:
    A russian regiment is going along a road until they reach a ridge,
    when suddenly the russian commander hears a finish man shouting from the other side;
    _"One finish soldier is worth 10 russians!"_
    The russian commander takes on the challange, and sends ten men over the ridge,
    a short firefight later and the same finish man is heard shouting;
    _"One finish soldier is worth 100 russians!"_
    The russian commander sends 100 men over the ridge, after a few minutes of intense combat everything goes silent.
    _"One finish soldier is worth 1000 russians!"_ the same man screams.
    Furious, the russian commander sends in the rest of the regiment and a great battle can be heard, after half an hour of heavy shooting and explosions it all goes quiet, and a single wounded russian soldier comes crawling back across the ridge and says;
    _"It's a trap! There are TWO of them!"_

    • @user-it3ve2bl7j
      @user-it3ve2bl7j 4 года назад +21

      If they shit themselves, they should at least shout about a great victory and unprecedented courage.)))
      I've always been amused by such people!)))
      (I'm talking about the Finns.) :D

    • @Karlosangeles1
      @Karlosangeles1 4 года назад +22

      @@user-it3ve2bl7j I find your comment amusing,but I`m laughing at you only for different reasons.

    • @user-it3ve2bl7j
      @user-it3ve2bl7j 4 года назад +4

      @@Karlosangeles1
      I'm talking about the Finns))

    • @Karlosangeles1
      @Karlosangeles1 4 года назад +59

      @@user-it3ve2bl7j I can understand the humiliation of being defeated by a much smaller and poorly equipped defender..

    • @user-it3ve2bl7j
      @user-it3ve2bl7j 4 года назад +5

      @@Karlosangeles1
      Are you schizophrenic?))

  • @allu3853
    @allu3853 4 года назад +238

    My Greatgrandfather from my fathers side fought in the Taipale in the Winter war. He survived the whole war unscathed.
    At the last months of the Continuation war 1941-1944 at the battle of Tali-Ihantala he went MIA.
    My grandfather was 3 years old and hes mother my greatgrandmother only 21 when the message came home.
    Heart breaking.
    From my mothers side my grandfather lost two of hes three older brothers in the continuation war.
    He still has their pictures on his nightstand.

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад +23

      My grandfather was in train to be sent to front when he was pulled out of the train to his disappointment. He was only phone mechanic and reapair guy in vital communication hub. Spend his war riding harley davidson and racing to repair lines after soviet bombings...

    • @brokenbridge6316
      @brokenbridge6316 4 года назад +1

      I sympathize with you friend. War can be a terrible affair.

    • @Grinzold8
      @Grinzold8 4 года назад +11

      After watching a video about toy soldiers maneuvering on the map, I'm thankful that you wrote a comment like this. The whole generation of men were if not killed, mutilated physically and/or psychologically. You can only imagine the long term impact of that to the small country including women, children and children's children. Everyone lost something.
      As a Finn history nerd, big thumbs up for the video tho. Totally looking forward to the next episode!

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад +3

      Tali-Ihantala was probably one of toughest fights there was. Whole Landscape changed with artillery barrages in a day.

    • @bitukas79
      @bitukas79 4 года назад +11

      As I know from history, the battle of Tali-Ihantala was decisive for Finland, as soviets advanced there straight after they have taken Viipuri and there was a question will they make a breakthrough towards Helsinki or not. Finnish commandment understood that and thrown into this battle basically everything they had and won it, which was the last victory of the fins in WW2, but at very big cost, so at the same time they were unable to stop the soviet advance to the north of Ladoga. After this defeat soviet marshal Govorov asked for more reinforcements to continue his advance towards Helsinki and "to break that Finnish spine" as he said, but Stalin refused, saying that the outcome of the war will be decided in Berlin, not in Helsinki. He definitely realised that price of this victory might be too big, as soviets already had once before. Actually, Russian historians even today don't like to mention this battle. So despite this tragic end you must be proud of your Greatgrandfather.

  • @Christian-pr3st
    @Christian-pr3st 4 года назад +892

    Mannerheim : Hey Stalin wanna hear a joke?
    Mannerheim : Helsinki
    Stalin : I don´t get it?
    Mannerheim : and you never will! PERKELE

    • @franciscomm7675
      @franciscomm7675 4 года назад +11

      Christian, good joke. But there were other finnish commanders besides mannerheim who played key roles in the winter war

    • @Christian-pr3st
      @Christian-pr3st 4 года назад +51

      I am well aware of this fact! :) I don´t know why you felt the need to point this out

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад +22

      This is not a joke but "true" story. Stalin had respect for Mannerheim. He was only "white russian general" left alive after purges. And he had served imperial Russia. After ww2 communists wanted to have Mannerheim trialed as war criminal (logic was not big thing in war crime trials) it was said commrade stalin was not at all pleased with idea. And Mannerheim was president after the war couple of years...

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад +18

      Actually, soviet bombers appeared in Helsinki and bombed capital. Thus starting war.
      Finland (3.5 million inhabitants) is not stupid enough to declare war on 170 million Soviets. No matter what soviet history says. It just dont happen. Size matters.

    • @vkplayz2180
      @vkplayz2180 4 года назад +8

      soviets won the war in 44 lol

  • @jokuvaan5175
    @jokuvaan5175 4 года назад +51

    Stalin: "Ok. So here is the deal. I want your border moved away from Leningrad for security concerns"
    Finns: "Hmm... Okay... Hey wait. This also says we have to give up a military base near our capital, a port in the north where we could possibly obtain assistant in case of war and dismantle our best and pretty much only defensive line. Why would you need that for securing Leningrad?"
    Stalin: "Uhh..... you know... just want to feel safe and all." *whistles casually*

    • @petrusinvictus3603
      @petrusinvictus3603 2 года назад +4

      I would have given 50 kilometer or more but I am an ameeba without a spine. There is a Finnish saying: "If you give your small finger to the Devil he will eventually come to demand your arm!"

  • @tapanilofving4741
    @tapanilofving4741 4 года назад +264

    This was very well made with the prelude to the conflict from further back in history, thank you!

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  4 года назад +12

      Thanks for watching!

    • @K0ukku
      @K0ukku 4 года назад +10

      The best intro to the Winter War, everything was accurate and right. Also, a right amount of pre-war history is needed to understand the whole shabang.

    • @K0ukku
      @K0ukku 4 года назад

      @@morzh1978 Yes, you're right son.

    • @rudde7918
      @rudde7918 4 года назад

      @@morzh1978 That the Swedish State treated Finnish-speakers unequally is a myth man.

    • @rudde7918
      @rudde7918 4 года назад +1

      @@morzh1978 Finnish wasnt forbidden in Swedish times. It was just not used in administration since the administrators weren't Finnish-speakers. And Åland has never been Finnish-speaking, why should they have to use it?

  • @moota0009
    @moota0009 4 года назад +119

    Great respect for Finland and every country is small in size or number but great in courage

  • @maxlu9373
    @maxlu9373 4 года назад +60

    Soviets: the winter is always on our side
    Fins: *Uno reverse card*

  • @aegystierone8505
    @aegystierone8505 4 года назад +458

    Mad respect to the Finns, a tiny nation that dare to take on a giant like the Soviet Union.

    • @user-vt1cd7yh3u
      @user-vt1cd7yh3u 3 года назад +6

      Thanks you we never forget. 🙏💙

    • @kurtwollermann2210
      @kurtwollermann2210 3 года назад +6

      true heroes every last man

    • @AWtify
      @AWtify 3 года назад +8

      Despite the fact that they could get a large territory from the Soviets without a war and without losing Finnish territory as a result of the war. No matter what you say, Stalin's demand to move the border away from Leningrad was quite reasonable.

    • @BatCostumeGuy
      @BatCostumeGuy 3 года назад +2

      @@AWtify Reasonable or not they lost that's all that matters.

    • @Joonavainio
      @Joonavainio 3 года назад +17

      @@AWtify We do not negotiate with terrorists.

  • @Lord_Lambert
    @Lord_Lambert 4 года назад +68

    I have fallen in love with Finland since moving here some years ago. Thank you for making this video, it was, as always, fantastic

  • @FaithRox
    @FaithRox 4 года назад +241

    When the snow starts speaking *PERKELE*

    • @dannyarcher438
      @dannyarcher438 4 года назад +2

      How does the snow sounds like in Karelia?

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад +1

      From what I heard grandfathers speak, it was very cold, but when in front fighting, you didnt feel because of fear of death. And nobody talked. Everybody kept very quiet untill very end.

    • @ivanlagrossemoule
      @ivanlagrossemoule 4 года назад +1

      ebin :DDDD

    • @suokkos
      @suokkos 4 года назад

      It should be "tulta munille" which was the Finnish war cry. It translates to "fire at balls".

    • @PennyDreadful1
      @PennyDreadful1 4 года назад +1

      More like when the snow is kind of like back home in russia but smelling faintly of coffee and a liberal outlook.

  • @MrNisse5
    @MrNisse5 4 года назад +13

    This has personal importance to me, my Grandfather (fathers side) was among the evacuated along with his family from the Karelian Isthmus. When the war broke out, he and his siblings were sent as refugees to Sweden, where they were placed in foster homes all over Blekinge and Skåne. His father, my great grandfather fought and died in this war. and despite being just 2 years old, my grandfather was placed without any of his siblings. Most of the children didn't return to Finland after the war but stayed in Sweden and became swedes. And that is where my last name comes from. My grandfather spent most of his life in a small village called Svängsta outside the city of Karlshamn where I grew up. He grew up and married my grandmother and they would be married for almost 40 years. He passed away in 2007. He was also the inspiration for my first name.
    RIP
    Martti Ivar Lamppu.

  • @jrogers9052
    @jrogers9052 4 года назад +17

    The level of detail in this episode is deeper than most of the documentaries I've watched on the Winter War. And the smart use of the maps to help explain the action is very appreciated. Well done, Kings & Generals!

  • @grvc44
    @grvc44 4 года назад +456

    The soviet is acting gangsta until the Snow start speaking Finns.

    • @janne4518
      @janne4518 4 года назад +10

      The Finns acting gangsta until a large scale soviet offensive

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад +6

      Finnish soldiers kept very low profile. Soviet Union had two very powerful weapons, airforce and artillery. Russian artillery is not called god of battlefield for nothing. And with 20 against 1 ratio, yes there was gangsta around, but it certainly didnt speak finnish.

    • @norbertkrafcsik3628
      @norbertkrafcsik3628 4 года назад +17

      even tho the Finns lost, history remembers them as the true winners

    • @norbertkrafcsik3628
      @norbertkrafcsik3628 4 года назад +11

      Then it's probably the most pathetic victory the world has ever seen :D

    • @gastonhitw720
      @gastonhitw720 4 года назад +1

      @پاسدار فرد Александр what about the continuation war, they won it, they took what they wanted, and that counted as victory even tho they lost

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 4 года назад +84

    When you're chilling with your comrades and then the snow starts speaking *SUOMI PERKELE*

  • @dontsearchdocumentingreali9621
    @dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 4 года назад +55

    Love Finland from Croatia ❤

    • @Batmax192
      @Batmax192 4 года назад +9

      Love Finland from Poland !!! ;-)

    • @tjq1888
      @tjq1888 4 года назад +1

      BatMax every Poland hates Russia ?is that true ?

    • @bbzzykkuu
      @bbzzykkuu 4 года назад +3

      @@tjq1888 We just hate russian imperialism. We don't have anything against russian people.

  • @ultramarines6418
    @ultramarines6418 3 года назад +33

    The Finnish people fought a righteous war of freedom and self defense.
    I admire them, a lot. Brave people, indeed ❤️
    Best wishes from Germany 🇩🇪🤝🇫🇮

    • @W0DAN88
      @W0DAN88 3 года назад +3

      In der tat

    • @LG-cq4dy
      @LG-cq4dy 2 года назад +2

      Yes and I hope Ukraine right now is as successful.

  • @celecirion
    @celecirion 4 года назад +16

    Greetings from Tartu, we just celebrated 100th anniversary of Treaty of Tartu, they even brought it out with police escort and showed it to the public in a museum.

  • @nowayman1406
    @nowayman1406 4 года назад +309

    soviets: we will take whole finland in 3 weeks
    finland : You shall not pass

    • @Brandon0406
      @Brandon0406 4 года назад +7

      @Ginno Ricci your profile pic fits just perfectly...

    • @karlhans6678
      @karlhans6678 4 года назад +2

      Finland: I'm about to ruin this army's whole career.

    • @ferdinanddaratenas3447
      @ferdinanddaratenas3447 4 года назад +2

      Stalin, stop, this is my no-no square

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 4 года назад +6

      @Ginno Ricci: Muslims are about 2.7% of the population in Finland.

    • @unpopularopinion5809
      @unpopularopinion5809 4 года назад +8

      @@seneca983 That's about 2,7% too many imo

  • @Noname_est
    @Noname_est 4 года назад +200

    so f*king proud of men who fought in this war, one of them was my granddad.

    • @MrKillerwolf1999
      @MrKillerwolf1999 4 года назад +18

      I have so much admiration for the fins! (From a Brit)

    • @tommyhijmensen6257
      @tommyhijmensen6257 4 года назад +1

      @Noname me too bro ! Kurealia will be free again onesmore !

    • @dontsearchdocumentingreali9621
      @dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 4 года назад +11

      I am proud of my granddad too, he removed commies in yugoslavia.

    • @JN-yf6gm
      @JN-yf6gm 4 года назад +12

      My grandad was in this war. He was officer, i have seen his medals in my grandmoms home. He died when i was young boy. He was a good man but when he drinked the demons off war game out. My morher hated, feared and loved him. Sober he was good husband and good father, but war broke him and in the end, war won.

    • @boltonforthenorth5466
      @boltonforthenorth5466 4 года назад +1

      @@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 the balkan became shit after Titos and the communist was removed.

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 4 года назад +134

    *the snow speaks Finnish*

    • @Eldarion-kd6rr
      @Eldarion-kd6rr 4 года назад +3

      @@tsarnature6587 you too joseph!

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад +2

      Not this year. South of Finland is all black. No skiing or skating in nature...bummer.

    • @antivalidisme5669
      @antivalidisme5669 4 года назад

      Nice reference!

  • @basil8420
    @basil8420 4 года назад +18

    Watching a new kings and generals video while having dinner, life cannot get any better.

  • @nishunair1912
    @nishunair1912 4 года назад +128

    David vs Goliath. Only Goliath came to the battle initially nerfing himself.

    • @timomastosalo
      @timomastosalo 4 года назад +6

      Just like against David. Goliath mocked God before the fight. So God instructed and supported David to win,

    • @alekseyibragimov9873
      @alekseyibragimov9873 4 года назад

      Wait... was David defeated by Goliath? I thought it was the other way around.

    • @timomastosalo
      @timomastosalo 4 года назад +4

      @@alekseyibragimov9873 Yeah, this time David didn't defeat Goliath. But he won what he aimed to win, his life. And anyway, there's nothing with which to defend what Goliath did. Bullies are bullies.
      If it happened downtown in front of a police or militia, the police would put the big bully in jail, even though the small guy didn't die. Well, if the bully wasn't one of the police.

    • @alekseyibragimov9873
      @alekseyibragimov9873 4 года назад

      @@timomastosalo If David didn't cooperate with criminals, he woudn't have to be shackled and strip-searched. Twice.

    • @timomastosalo
      @timomastosalo 4 года назад +4

      @@alekseyibragimov9873 Once - the ratalion trip, to get back what was stolen from him. And being forsaken by UK, USA and France they was only left this Austrian who wanted to be German, a dark haired dude who wanted to be blonde.
      First time the Goliath attacked because he was suspicious. Bit there was no ruse against him But he made one to start to war - with field guns and ammo the little guy didn't have. David fought that fight without the help of those criminals. UK & France even planned to help, though they had selfish motives concerning Narvik & Kiruna.
      And they sold out the little guy. The Western allies abndoned the little country by the Baltic. There was only 2 evils left to choose: to let the bear eat you, or join the wolfpack to fight the bear. Well, there was no Axis pact signed, so that far it didn't go. Finland saw the war preparations of Stalin - they were sure he would atatck again, the signs were in the air. They thought the smaller risk was to attack then, when the Germans did too.
      So, actually with the 39-40 war Stalin got what he feared: Finland now fought against him with Germany. An example why we shouldn't believe our fears, we might mke them happen by our fearful actions.
      And Finland wasn't a Nazi country: it was a democratic many party country with socialists almost the biggest one. The extreme left and right were small: the communists were not in fashion, and the right wing extremists made a failed coup in the early 30's, so their leaders were arrested, and their support diminished. After WWII their party became illegal.

  • @calhungus
    @calhungus 4 года назад +4

    My grandfather fought as a Swedish volunteer,first at Salla then the Karelian ismus.

  • @osmanwarsama6046
    @osmanwarsama6046 4 года назад +10

    amazing how an outnumbered and outgunned army could hold against these odds with such great victories.

  • @cjthegood
    @cjthegood 4 года назад +7

    Really am looking forward for this Winter War episode. Thanks!

  • @mandinka_language_and_proverbs
    @mandinka_language_and_proverbs 4 года назад +3

    Another Thursday another happy day, thanks Kings&generals our love for the channel is unconditional.

  • @heretyk_1337
    @heretyk_1337 4 года назад +37

    As a person, whose country has to deal with what that so called "Union" did to us to this very day- even though we are suppose to be free since 1989- and having in mind what those bastards did to my country men and women during WWII and after, i have to say there is this grim satisfaction, when i hear how much of a beating Soviet got in Finland...
    I salute the braves.

  • @jon6577
    @jon6577 4 года назад +4

    So excited to see this episode and looking forward to another! I have found your channel maybe 2 weeks ago, but since I am interested in ancient history, ww2 and cold war, I've seen most of your vids! You rock man

  • @texset5815
    @texset5815 4 года назад +2

    From Finland and i have waited for something like this, specially by someone with so good vids... Good job keep it up!

  • @caffeinatedbuffalosauce883
    @caffeinatedbuffalosauce883 4 года назад +57

    Everyone’s favorite underdog story

  • @Sharnoy1
    @Sharnoy1 4 года назад +11

    This was unexpected :0 Thank you K&G for remembering 80th anniversary of the Winter War! 🇫🇮

  • @danielstansell6367
    @danielstansell6367 4 года назад +9

    one of my favourite wars ever, i hope this continues!

  • @lumdemokikon811
    @lumdemokikon811 4 года назад

    Big fan kings and grenerals. I really appreciate the narrator's voice, it's so clear and very sharp and very immersive. Hope the channel never changes the narrator. Thank you for the wonderful content. This channel is really a gem in youtube.

  • @theb0ganator
    @theb0ganator 4 года назад +7

    This war can only be defined in one word...
    P E R K E L E

  • @simulatorjack9497
    @simulatorjack9497 4 года назад +3

    Another masterpiece!! Keep up the amazing work guys!

  • @MarkPelleyTheSnakeHunter
    @MarkPelleyTheSnakeHunter 4 года назад +1

    Great video. Amazing graphics and details as to how the position of armies were set up and what happened. I use these videos to teach my family about the wars. Thanks so much. keep them coming.

  • @MCSKELETOR
    @MCSKELETOR 4 года назад +2

    Please continue this series. This is very well done.

  • @K0ukku
    @K0ukku 4 года назад +5

    Bravo, sir! This is the best Winter War Intro / Setup to the war in RUclips. Everything was accurate and detailed. Also, the whole context is important to understand so the brief history tour was very pleasant. Thank you sir. My grandfather from dad's side was from Karelian isthmus, present day Soviet Union, and grandfather from mother's side from the very location of Raatteentie. Both naturally served in the war and miraculously survived, so the subject is quite interesting and personal to me as a Finnish man & history nerd. All males (effectively around 70%) still serve in the Defence forces. ♫ ♪ Don't tread on me!

  • @avengermkii7872
    @avengermkii7872 4 года назад +76

    I clicked this so fast that Stalin just started thinking about invading Finland.

  • @catelfpoland8717
    @catelfpoland8717 4 года назад

    Extremly interesting, never fail in showing not so well known sides of such well known events. Much love!

  • @monocledlynx7127
    @monocledlynx7127 4 года назад +52

    "There are so many of them, and our country is so small. Where will we find room to bury them all?"- Anonymous Finnish solder

  • @gbarberis7402
    @gbarberis7402 4 года назад +21

    iam from Greece and i respect the Finns heavily as a people

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 года назад +17

    Simo Hahya is a true badass, I'm looking forward to the future videos

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 4 года назад

    Your videos are always well thought out and interesting. I look forward to following this conflict as I have your other wars.

  • @lukaspatty6431
    @lukaspatty6431 4 года назад

    This was your BEST video TO DATE!

  • @Oxtocoatl13
    @Oxtocoatl13 4 года назад +7

    Thank you for the in depth-background section! It's very rare to see representations of the war with the events of 1914-1920 thoroughly explained. A very good video overall, even your Finnish pronunciation is pretty good!
    Edit: Finland didn't exactly lose it's autonomy in 1905, it actually reformed into a more democratic system while retaining it's own currency etc. But the Russians began trying to unify their realm by limiting Finland's autonomy and that set in motion various forms of resistance, though most Finns didn't see independence as realistic or even desirable until Russia started collapsing into revolutionary chaos in 1917

  • @GeoBBB123
    @GeoBBB123 4 года назад +8

    Respect for Finland from the people of Hellas

  • @16year
    @16year 4 года назад +1

    Thank you Kings and Generals for covering Winter War.

  • @RileyRivalle2
    @RileyRivalle2 4 года назад +2

    You did remarkably well with pronunciations in this video, I'm really impressed! :D

  • @michealohaodha9351
    @michealohaodha9351 4 года назад +41

    As a Finnish reenactor I'm beyond excited for this!

  • @ShaDoW-uc7bn
    @ShaDoW-uc7bn 4 года назад +167

    never clicked this fast

    • @otakunthevegan4206
      @otakunthevegan4206 4 года назад

      Damn me for being alseep when it was first uploaded.

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад

      Almost as fast as Sweden prevented English and French volutaries coming to Help Finland at hour of its need. But ordinary Swedish people with arms did help and thanks for that. But Swedish socialist government..

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад

      Without Swedish iron ore , ball bearings and Norwegian fish...oil...nazi Germanys world war would have been strangled in its infancy.
      I always wondered how royal navy screwd Norway so good.

    • @pexxajohannes1506
      @pexxajohannes1506 4 года назад

      History does but economical and political facts dont change. Finland -Russia realtions after ww2 were complicated but relatively well handled by president Kekkonen.
      No matter who is in chargec(besides socialists) you need to feed and employ your population.

    • @otakunthevegan4206
      @otakunthevegan4206 4 года назад

      @Stick me thumbs in yer ass The Soviet Union was wrong to invade Finland, but the Fins made it clear they were a rival by joining the anti-communist pact with the axis before the war. And during the continuation war, they killed a lot of Soviet Civilians, Finland was no Saint, and The Soviet Union still saved humanity from the Axis in the end.

  • @socratrash
    @socratrash 4 года назад +1

    Fantastic video. Congrats. Keep up the good work. Greets, a Belgian historian and a huge fan.

  • @Evochio
    @Evochio 4 года назад +1

    I enjoyed the prelude and history, adds very valuable context.

  • @mauriciowaldman4358
    @mauriciowaldman4358 3 года назад +13

    When I was young, my father always talks to me about Finland. He was a Jew-polish immigrant to Brazil and like to remember the history of Eastern Europe. I was all ears and about Finland, because he always talked something meritous about brave Finland’s people and their determination to save the country's independence and to fight against the Russian army. But not only with respect to Finland's history. I learned the Finish people have an Asiatic ancestry, Fino-Ugric, as well the Hungarians and the defies of the environment, the North's coldest lands, where the life was mandatorily harsh. When he talked with reference to Finland, the comparisons with Brazil were usual owing to the fact the Brazilian environment is rich and lush, offering all resources to live in very well (despite this possibility...). However, since then, my admiration concerning Finland never decrease. This nation and its commendable people defend their motherland in opposition to Russia, a foe several times stronger, they have a developing economy and maintain a free and democratic society. Ultimately, I believe that the Cold War is an epic event that demonstrates the soul of one people's courage. But, is only one event in a memorable facts collection regarding Finland, its people, and its culture!

  • @user-pz2dy7wc9c
    @user-pz2dy7wc9c 4 года назад +26

    Long live Finland! 🇬🇪❤️🇫🇮

  • @Santeri349
    @Santeri349 4 года назад +1

    9:30 Props for showing the initial division plan of the M-R pact.

  • @GenghisVern
    @GenghisVern 4 года назад +1

    Best doc on the topic I've ever seen

  • @adamradziwill
    @adamradziwill 4 года назад +21

    Long Live Free Finland , down to The golden horde !!

  • @siechamontillado
    @siechamontillado 4 года назад +7

    I remember when Star Trek used to be about exploring space, not war, but I guess a vision of a peaceful future died with Gene Roddenberry.

  • @lukezuzga6460
    @lukezuzga6460 4 года назад

    You guys have certainly outdone yourselves with this one! I can't wait for the next video cause the next one is the "Tale of the Tape!"

  • @jortikkaa568
    @jortikkaa568 4 года назад +1

    The events of 1919 and early 1020's were totally new information to me. Thanks for good documentary :)

  • @HistoryHustle
    @HistoryHustle 4 года назад +3

    Great video, loved the well animated maps!

  • @Dawgside
    @Dawgside 4 года назад +9

    So proud of the Suomi!
    A Dane!

    • @2009Infidel
      @2009Infidel 4 года назад +3

      Some 1200 Danes volunteered to fight in the Winter War (including some excellent pilots), many who died defending Finland. We Finns will never forget their sacrifices for our country.

  • @RTmadnesstoo
    @RTmadnesstoo 4 года назад

    Amazing, well done. Thanks for the video.

  • @sciencestudent88
    @sciencestudent88 4 года назад

    As always, badass work by K&G!

  • @PsixosTisKolasis
    @PsixosTisKolasis 4 года назад +34

    Do the Italian invasion of Greece in 1940 :D

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 4 года назад +2

      It seems K&G now has a video on that as well.

  • @janbo8331
    @janbo8331 4 года назад +24

    Great, I've been waiting for this! A few sidenotes: The Finnish tanks were Vickers bought from the UK before the war. As a means of cutting costs, they were bought without optics and guns. Hence, the first tanks were not usable until February, and even then almost completely useless. Half of the artillery was from 1877, but the main problem was still ammunition. In November, the Finns had as much artillery ammunition overall than what the Red Army could use in a single shelling before an offensive.
    @Kings and Generals: Where did you find the info on Mannerheim's plan to attack Petrograd? I'd never heard of this before, would love to catch up on it.

    • @Oxtocoatl13
      @Oxtocoatl13 4 года назад +13

      There is a section about Mannerheim's Petrograd designs on his Finnish wikipedia page, though it's absent from the English version for some reason.
      Essentially Mannerheim, who'd made a decades-long career in the Imperial Russian Army and had many friends among the Russian white leadership, was a committed anti-bolshevik and would've wanted to lead his victorious White Guards to assist the Russian whites by taking Petrograd. However, this fell apart because the great powers weren't ready to fund the expedition (Finland's economy was a wreck after the civil war and there was a wide spread food shortage). Also the various White Russian groups were opposed to independence movements in the former empire and didn't want to recognize Finnish independence. At home Mannerheim lost the presidential election to Ståhlberg, who was more moderate and wanted to focus on rebuilding Finland and reuniting the divided nation rather than launching risky military ventures. So eventually Mannerheim's plans came to nothing and he retired from politics for the time being. It's interesting to speculate what would have happened if Finland had attacked Petrograd from the north while Yudenitsh attacked from the south in the fall of 1919.

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 4 года назад +3

      Besides Vickers there were also Renault FTs, I believe.

    • @janbo8331
      @janbo8331 4 года назад +2

      @@Oxtocoatl13 Thanks for taking the time to educate me! Much appreciated. I had always thought the Soviet claims/fears of Finland attacking Leningrad (before WW2) to have been an idea without any basis in reality. However, now thinking about it, the combination of the voluntary expeditions to East-Karelia, the plans for an attack on Petrograd, the close ties to Germany and the general anti-bolshevik attitude after the Whites won the Civil War - I am beginning to understand now. Naturally, after the Bolsheviks won their civil war in Russia, I don't think anyone in Finland would have been stupid enough to try to pull off that stunt, but overall it does give some basis to Soviet demands.

    • @janbo8331
      @janbo8331 4 года назад +2

      @@seneca983 Ah, how could I forget! It's true, the Renaults were the only operational tanks Finland had at the start of the war. However, they were from WW1 era and useless in combat, which I think they never saw. I think I remember reading they were disassembled and used as fixed position guns on the Karelian Isthmus.

    • @terraflow__bryanburdo4547
      @terraflow__bryanburdo4547 4 года назад +2

      @@Oxtocoatl13 Interesting because Mannerheim refused to attack Leningrad for Hitler in WWII

  • @ScorpionVenomStudioGames
    @ScorpionVenomStudioGames 4 года назад

    Thank you for all your hard work and research. You are saving me so much time on developing my video game. Big thanks!

  • @mohbou3924
    @mohbou3924 4 года назад +2

    Can't wait for the next episode

  • @cristianvillanueva8782
    @cristianvillanueva8782 4 года назад +2

    "Dimitri, why is our radio finish playing music?"
    "I have no idea."

  • @Kopyrda
    @Kopyrda 4 года назад +12

    Let the sisu always be with you, Finns! Poland had helped you fighting commies during your Civil War (Polish Legion in Finland), we surely would do so during Winter War, but Germans and Soviets got us first.

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 4 года назад +3

      We rest easy in here, you guys keep the East side of border Russian free and we keep the Northern / Baltic side clean =) Also Poland can rely on our help if it comes to that.

  • @biglenin7306
    @biglenin7306 4 года назад

    This video was a pleasure to look at!

  • @KeijoKeittaja666
    @KeijoKeittaja666 4 года назад +2

    As a finnish guy i enjoyed this very much, thank you guys!

  • @MurmanskRU
    @MurmanskRU 4 года назад +51

    Stalin's plan was to occupy whole Finland. Then he wanted to add to occupied Finland the territory of Soviet Karelia. The two territories would become "The Finish-Karelian Socialistic Republic". If Stalin succeed then in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union that republic would of cause got independence like Estonia, Latvia and other former Soviet republics. Finland would be almost two times bigger now. But of cause with ruined economy and other problems. And Murmansk (I live in Murmansk, Russia) would be cut off from the territory of rest Russia. I think for Finland it was good luck that it did not become the Soviet republic. Now it is small but beautiful country with one of the highest living standard in the world.

    • @gilgameschvonuruk4982
      @gilgameschvonuruk4982 4 года назад +1

      how is it to live in Murmansk? Are there many Sami left?

    • @MurmanskRU
      @MurmanskRU 4 года назад +2

      @@gilgameschvonuruk4982 It is nice to live in Murmansk, but mostly in summer time. Otherwise it is cold and dark. However now it makes no diffirence where do You live - most of the people everywhere in the world locked themselves at theirs homes))
      Saami people live in central part of Murmansk region as well as in Murmansk itself. The number of Saami people is the same for many year - about 2 000 people. I have Saami and half-Saami among my friends.

    • @sampohonkala4195
      @sampohonkala4195 4 года назад +5

      If Stalin had succeeded 1939 - 40 and the Finnish-Karelian Socialist Republic was established, the northern Europe would have developed differently. Sweden could not have remained neutral in WW2, Germany could not have reached Leningrad. The Soviet Union would have been much stronger with easier sea borders to defend. It would have won the race not only to Berlin but further west as far as it wanted to go, it could have crushed Germany without the allies. In the continuation war, the Finnish army was already 500 000 men strong, and to keep the balance, the Soviet Union had to keep divisions in Carelia instead of using them further south. My opinion is that if Finland had been occupied, there would not be independent Finland nor Independent Estonia today. There would be a much stronger and bigger Russia.

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 3 года назад +1

      @@MurmanskRU But there was Karelo-Finnish SSR in any case but it was annexed to the Russian SSR in 1956. Not sure if that would have happened had all of Finland been conquered.

  • @mennokoegorn9483
    @mennokoegorn9483 4 года назад +28

    Well, general Winter betrayed us in this war.
    P.S. Love to Finland from Moscow.

    • @MrTurpasauna
      @MrTurpasauna 4 года назад +3

      General winter helped both sides in this war. It helped the finns at first since soviet troops were not prepared for such harshness at first and deep snow hindered movement. On the other hand, frozen lakes gave soviet troops and tanks much more options to maneuver and attack.

  • @calbackk
    @calbackk 4 года назад +2

    Very Good summary. I’m impressed. Usually foreign descriptions of Finland and of this conflict are riddled with errors. Not so here. Now I’m eager to see the rest. 👍

  • @davidtemplarios6422
    @davidtemplarios6422 4 года назад

    Great Start, cant wait for the rest :)

  • @marksoren340
    @marksoren340 4 года назад +3

    My great uncle fought in this war and survived. Amazing how Finland stood up against this big bully from the east. Hakkaa päälle!

  • @johnjohnson-hp6hy
    @johnjohnson-hp6hy 4 года назад +39

    Winter war?
    You mispelt "Meme War".

  • @testthis7745
    @testthis7745 4 года назад

    Great episode, thank you :)

  • @joezhou5426
    @joezhou5426 2 года назад

    love this channel. Great work. Guys

  • @magnus3716
    @magnus3716 4 года назад +4

    Awesome sauce!

  • @admiralsquatbar127
    @admiralsquatbar127 4 года назад +5

    In Finland, you don't get the Sniper, the Sniper gets you.

  • @aidabagirova4933
    @aidabagirova4933 4 года назад +1

    great analysis and good video

  • @vernonmcphee6746
    @vernonmcphee6746 4 года назад

    Very interesting. I had heard generally about the Winter War before but had no real understanding of the history leading up to it in any detail. I am looking forward to the continuation on this topic.

  • @the_barkku_nerd7686
    @the_barkku_nerd7686 4 года назад +49

    Suomi PERKELE!!! Every finnsih citizen knows winter war.

    • @juliushakala5148
      @juliushakala5148 4 года назад

      Ja mitä tämän pitäisi tarkoittaa?

    • @the_barkku_nerd7686
      @the_barkku_nerd7686 4 года назад

      @@juliushakala5148 Emt, jotkut asiat o itsestää selvyyksii mutt jossain o väärin käsityksii kute Mainilan laukaukset...

  • @wiictvchannel1112
    @wiictvchannel1112 4 года назад +4

    Aww yeeah! It's gonna be a good day!

  • @asada135
    @asada135 4 года назад

    This is really nice video, since it explains background of the Winter war rather than focusing only to war it self.

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 4 года назад +2

    Amazing!

  • @theoutlook55
    @theoutlook55 4 года назад +3

    Rock on Finland! Everyone should also definitely watch videos from World War II in real time about this war.

  • @22vx
    @22vx 4 года назад +66

    Winter war in Russia would suck so hard for combatants BRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrRrrrRRRRrrrrrrr

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  4 года назад +35

      They say that Finland is the most beautiful country in the world. Assumption is that you are going as a tourist. :-)

    • @22vx
      @22vx 4 года назад

      @@KingsandGenerals yeah and not as a warfighter LoL

    • @darak1455
      @darak1455 4 года назад

      @@22vx you mean invading war soldier

    • @FinnishPatriot
      @FinnishPatriot 4 года назад +2

      @@KingsandGenerals I can definitely confirm that it is quite beautiful here.
      Sincerely, a Finn

    • @leonzoful
      @leonzoful 4 года назад

      @@FinnishPatriot oh Finland, a beautiful country with nice people, saunas, days of complete darkness, and the ones who took the shit out of Russians during winter.

  • @starkplk1607
    @starkplk1607 4 года назад

    YES I LOVE YOU SO MUCH
    YOU MAKE EVERYDAY BETTER EVERYTIME WITH NEW VIDEO
    YESYESYES :D

  • @Pietr01337
    @Pietr01337 4 года назад

    Very nicely made! Regards from Finland.

  • @maxwelljacobs2715
    @maxwelljacobs2715 4 года назад +9

    I would love a video or two on the Dominion war largely as a April fool's joke

  • @senchenkov
    @senchenkov 4 года назад +19

    Just to clarify: Finland was USSR "zone of interest" in Molotov-Ribbentrop pact along with Baltic countries. In all these countries, USSR first got permission to put bases and then toppled the governments.
    This was not about Stalin was not sure or concerned. Please do not cover up or rationalize the USSR expansion and aggression that is no different from Hitler's.

  • @danieltaylor885
    @danieltaylor885 4 года назад

    Such a great channel.

  • @ciuyr2510
    @ciuyr2510 4 года назад

    new series?
    Good Stuff!