I always get the impression that when the camera goes off and the mic gets cut, Chael continues to pontificate like this on his own for the rest of the day without an audience.
No, doctors aren't experts in weight cutting. They are however experts in the possibility and effects of short and long-term health complications caused by the sudden and drastic impact on the body and brains ability to handle extreme fluid loss in a very short amount of time. An Oncologist isn't required to have cancer his or herself to be able to see, diagnose and make reasonable predictions and precautions based on what they see in a cancer sufferer. I honestly can't work out if this a troll or not.
Dude people like this are the ones that go to the doctor, he give them a specific order to follow but they don't do it the way they were told and then after their condition get worse they blame it to the doctor and trash him as a professional. Oh i forget, and then they sue him
mission report Bro he's refuting the notion which Chael is proposing that doctors aren't experts in cutting weight. He's saying whether or not they're experts in it is irrelevant when they can see a patient doing deliberate damage to themselves and taking years off of their lives for a fight, which in their current or forecasted condition, could lead to an immediate death in the ring/octagon as a result of those weight cuts.
The ONE FC is the right way to do it. Just test the body's hydration level and not let people cut. Everyone went up a weight class. Chael is right, wrestling, they solved this decades ago.
As someone who has been a ringside doctor are UFC event who has cut weight myself with world champion fighters I agree with Chsely 100 percent on this.
most science is scientism, bullshit, wrapped in religious beliefs and or made in theory for control, power and money. Real science is testable repeatable and observable.
Preston Vaughan here's the thing your right but also wrong cause when it comes to things like looking for black holes you need to put your life into learning obscure knowledge that so maybe you can catch a glimpse of a black hole so yes science is true and repeatable and observable but most people put they're life into this
Doctors are not experts at cutting weight. They are EXPERTS in maintaining health and preventing/treating complications. Even most nurses and medical students have seen and managed (or at least watched) many cases of severe dehydration, hypotension (low blood pressure), tachycardia (fast heart) and other conditions like sepsis or emergencies which have very similar signs/symptoms with extreme weight cutting complications. They know (or at least they should) know when and how to intervene to maintain homeostasis and organ perfusion. The flip side of the situation is that the doctor does not intervene, Yoel is rushed to the ED with severe dehydration and electrolyte imbalances and has organ damage (eg kidneys/brain) or worse suffers and arrhythmia (abnormal heart rhythm) and dies. Then what??? The doctor is there for a reason. Let him do his job, the doctor does not care how many extra hours the commission gives for a fighter to cut weight. If the doctor is concerned then thats it.. Times over
Boosted Brian... "practice beats theory"? In that case, doctors have both practice AND theory. How many cases of dehydration and complications of dehydration has Chael solved? Doctors see dehydration cases all the time in the hospital. Unlike what Chael said, this is a common reason for visit in the Emergency. What practice are you talking about that Chael has? Cutting his own weight and watching some of his buddies cut weight? You're a tool.
Chael is right once again. Doctors know a lot when they are playing in their own field. But when it comes to losing fat, gaining muscle, or ridding yourself of water, no! Ask a pro bodybuilder for those topics. They do it for a living.
CHAEL QUICK VIDEO IDEA: Reach in MMA is flawed. Measuring from fingertip-to-fingertip doesn't accurately describe one's reach because people have different body types. Two people may have the same span from fingertip-to-fingertip but one person might have a wider body frame and shorter arms.
should be measured from closed fist to armpit. But if you have wide shoulders and hunch back your reach will be longer even if your arms are shorter than your opponent.
Lucky S Good Point man. I had a hazy, uncondensed sense of this but you’ve helped me consolidate it. It’s just a good basic point that’s easy to miss explicitly, though it needn’t be. My worldview’s a bit better for your post. Thanks.
ForGiggles You also make a legit point Ethan Bradberry, though not every strike will be with a closed fist. Personally, I’d be interested in having accurate measurements of a fighter’s entire body, including the phalanges and all joint-joint lengths, though I’d feel a bit like USADA to pressure for it. (Yes, most hand strikes will be with a closed fist’s large knuckles and also “ENTIRE BODY” snicker-snicker.)
Lucky S it has been flawed for years. Your right some guys could have shorter reach but excell at long distance striking. Ir a Man with a 78" reach might be most dangerous toe-to-toe. Impossible to define reach any way other than it is defined. It is a baseline measurement that when used with stats or commentator input can give the casual fan an understanding of reach and the role it plays in fighting. So many variables in fighting. Stats are more or less just a baseline to go by. Many well rounded fighters but always gonna be one discipline they excell in the best. How that relates to reach or lack of reach is a subject that will always have fans ready to wiegh in with thier opinion.
There should be a weight check when a deal is signed and weight checks throughout a training camp and a day of weigh in and a reasonable variation allowed. It would force people to fight at their walk around weight. I'm personally tired of every other card being ruined by a bad cut being pulled off the card.
I wrestled in college. I was in NAIA, but it was the same weigh in procedures as NCAA. There is A LOT of weight cutting. If it is an open tournament, you can wrestle in a higher weight class if you miss weight. Chael is not being completely honest or things were different when he competed, or he has brain damage. But what do I know? This man has never lost a single second of a single round of a single fight. He knows it all!!!
chael has the best point and that is to eliminate weight cutting, and to weigh them in one hour prior to the fight...he's right this is six minute abs all over again
Just as Max is being rightfully pulled out form Ortega fight because of a stroke/concussion, Chael releases this... :) Ahhh, he really is a special type of an analyst :)
John Peretti decided there were going to be gloves and weightclasses not some commission. Extreme fighting was a weightclass event from the very beginning and they also introduced the gloves to it.
drs see ppl dehydrated all the time and spend 8 years in school learning about the biology of the body ie why it needs water, what happens if it doesn't get water, etc. much more expertise than fixing a broken bone...also many drs served overseas, played sports, etc. it's not like there's one single path to be a Dr. you're allowed to participate in other things than just school and med lab so it's very likely that SOME drs can be pretty insightful on this topic. love ya Chael but c'mon man
Crying Shame I can't Thumbs up this Greatest of all Chael Rants (aka First Rate Education) more than once. I have watched (more importantly, I Listened) to this 3 times now and learn something new each time. Thank you Chael
Wooooooooow An all American wrestler.....revolutionizing the way to look at weight cutting You sir, are my new hero, Goddamn dude, i am really impressed with this talk
Brendan Schaub dressed up like a car salesman for his 4th of July podcast. I think that if you're Chael, however, then everyday is your own personal 4th of July!
I totally get his point, and I agree about the weigh-in. However, presuming they are limited in expertise simply because they have never de-hydrated is ridiculous. Most lower-leg surgeons have never had a tib-fib fracture, but they do know about the negative effects of it and they even know how to fix it.
+Mr. dude it's not, because Sonnen mentioned OBSERVING it (probably studying is a better word in this case because you're not going to stand there and watch someone break their leg). Studying a subject gives you knowledge on it, they don't study the dehydration and rehydration process.
as a former wrestler and the fact I'm going to be a doctor, I feel like I'd be good at the job, I might be able to give advice to teams that don't know what you are doing. my main concern would be if the fighter would be able to rehydrate in the 30-36 hours they have before the fight.
I haven't fully looked into how ONE does their weight cuts but what I have heard from Ben Askren makes sense, test them to prove they are hydrated then get their weight.
Here's the solution: Have a weigh in AND a weigh out. Problem solved! No more of this, "I fight at 155 but re-hydrate to 190" BS. You weigh in for your weight class the day before the fight, then you weigh out immediately after your fight. If you weigh 5 pounds over your weight class after the fight, then that's also considered missing weight and a DQ.
My doc is a complete idiot. He gives me pills for everything. If I genuinely asked him for weight loss advice, he'd probably prescribe me some crazy amphetamine.
Sokol Shala correct. you're an idiot. nobody cares what an obese doctor with no experience says. they don't have a section of medschool called weight cutting 101.
Or change your bullshit angle by saying: Lets not take the word of a highly skilled and experienced athlete, lets take the word of an old rich guy who has never cut a single pound or watched a single fight.
As a wrestler what Chael is saying is true. Same day weigh ins eliminates harsh weight cuts. If they do a harsh weight cut then the oerformance will not be good simple as that.
This scenario could be used in so many other ways when talking to “health professionals”. The people who have unwavering faith in a doctor are spasticated. Ask 5 different doctors the same question you’re going to get different answers
"Hey doc, have you ever had brain cancer?" "well, no" "Hey doc, have you ever helped someone get brain cancer?" "well, no" "pfft, how the hell can doctors claim theyre experts on brain cancer?!?"
13:38 One of their names was billy sailor my parents were great friends with him. He died his freshman year he was wearing a sauna suit and was riding his bike to practice when he passed out
Dylan Fugate No that’s false he wasn’t riding his bike to practice he was wearing a sauna suit riding a stationary bike Have you ever seen someone wearing a sauna suit out in the public? Yet wearing one on a bicycle in the street? If your parents were such good friends of his you should know that isn’t true, and you spelled his name wrong.
P_ Roc33 well since you knew him maybe you my parents as mutual friends. My mom’s name would’ve been either vicki slater or vicki fugate. My dads name was mike fugate.
Originally, I thought he was having a go a doctors stopping weigh cuts but after watching the vid I realized that Chael's point is that it makes more sense to stop weight cutting as a practice rather than regulate it. And he's right. Doctors aren't authorities on weight cutting and they aren't supposed to be. Medically, the only safe option is to have no weight cutting at all. It would be better for the fans and the fighters to not have it anymore. Less cancelled fights and less size disparity between fighters. Nobody cares who the near-suicide-through-dehydration champion of the world is.
I say instead of changing the weight cutting process change the punishments for missing weight. For example, miss weight once 50 percent of your purse, a second time forced to move weight division and fined 50 percent of your purse
chael is right, get rid of weight cutting, if u can fight, fight at your regular weight, that weight cutting can take a toll on fighters n u don't really see their full fighting potential, because they always drained physically n mentally . I thought chael was just a loud mouth, but after watching some of his videos, he makes a lot of senses on a lot of topics
Dehydration is a component in even the most basic of EMT educations. So yes, medical doctors are experts on the effects of dehydration, and the means to correct said condition.
One of Chael's gifts in life is the ability to take a bullshit argument and make it sound convincing. With his rant about medical professionals, he did that very well. But that doesn't change the fact that it was a bullshit argument. Even though doctors never cut weight themselves, they don't need to in order to understand what is going to happen. That is what studies are for. None of us need to put a gun to our head and pull the trigger in order to understand what the result will be. The same argument applies to this circumstance. Props to Chael though. The man is one helluva troll.
I think you should look into a condition called Low Laten inhibition or LLI. I have this and think you may have it as well. Should explain a lot once you are aware of it. Love your show and channel!
I think it’s pretty easy to define an excessive weight cut Dan Cormier Max Holloway Conor McGregor an in-excessive weight cut Frankie Edgar Demetrious Johnson TJ Dillashaw
Either do same day weigh-ins and have fighters stop cutting weight, or only cutting a few lbs. Or... The beginning of Fight Week have the weigh-ins at the beginning of the week. And allow the fighters to have 5 days to replenish themselves. That way there is no excuse to weight issues.
Subscribed 20 minutes ago after hearing him on other shows but hearing this dude talk about how years of education and experience isn’t good enough for overseeing medical matters is too much
Honestly? While he brought it up a lot, I think his point was to stop weight cutting. However, to defend him, I don't even know how much experience kidney doctors have with this. The difference is, it's a one or two day process, rather than getting dehydrated by working in the hot sun with no water etc. I just feel that it's more "controlled" than most cases doctors get, and he wants them to see that and either get rid of weight cuts or leave it.
In IPF powerlifting there are 2 hour weigh-ins and people still cut some weight, but on average it's in the neighbourhood of 3-5% of bodyweight. There are some that cut more but not many. And that much weight is relatively easy to cut and recover. Some people can fluctuate by that much over the course of a normal week.
The only "real" problem with wieght cutting is the new aggressive techniques just quagmire the divisions with fighters that belong in a higher weight class and sometimes even 2 wieght classes up. If cuts we're limited to % of overall it would add a new look to current divisions.
Support or eliminate weight cutting. Monitored IVs & time, or disqualification trending penalty escalation. Weigh fighters outside the cage and give them bonus points or penalties. Weight classes are fascinatingly deceptive - an interesting aspect of some sports; I’m confident it could be more safely done to greater extremes. Desiccating organic life is like overloading any supply chain - passing certain thresholds will break it, but short of that or an emergency, it’ll probably be mostly ok, in general. If football compelled extreme water-weight cutting without sufficient rehydration, the play quality would drop profoundly and so would the players' health - record breaking broken bodies, brains, and life function. I’m also an anti-fan of willful unreason such as is often found by the sufficiently perceptive in the deficiently honest/humble. Doctors, and other’s granted consensus authoritative status, more often than not (IME) play ego defense games when their implicit/explicit claim of sufficient expertise meets acutely exposed ignorance about some authoritative declaration..people in general tend to be this way..notice?
The athletic commissions' inability to make fast, clear, and decisive decisions in regards to rule-sets in MMA is embarrassing to the sport, dangerous to the fighters, and ultimately dangerous to the sport as a whole. For example, the concept of MMA constantly growing is reliant on marketability and making the sport more universally accepted to new audiences. MMA is big in north America, but it still has ALOT of growing to do in order to compete with sports like soccer, cricket, to name a few. If some body dies from a weight cut, could you imagine the press and media coverage for the event? It would get national news (which the sport currently does not receive outside major sports broadcasting). It would be like an nfl player dying on the field from a tackle. That would be the worst thing that could happen to the sport, because it would immediately put a black eye on MMA in the eyes of people who don't know much about it (who the sport relies on for future growth in a linear fashion). One could argue that the sport, in its infancy, was already being demonized and labelled a blood sport for serial killers and rapists, but isn't it more unlikely that the world would accept the sport had some one died, than back when the sport was still relatively taboo and unknown to the masses? I seriously think this could ruin the sport from growing bigger than it already is, and would provide a black eye that could never heal. And it's not up to the athlete's judgement to decide when is enough, because they are looking for any edge they can get (just look at the olympics and doping). Rather, it's ultimately up to the commission's ability to make fast decisions before some body dies, make the rules made clear and universal across all commissions, and to be more decisive in their decision making by being more serious about every rule they set out (which includes standing by their decisions and not "flip-flopping", and go all-the-way with their decisions instead of a "half-this-way, half-that-way" approach). Am I the only one on this?
The problem is the fighters and the doctors won't reach a compromise, they talk at each other not to each other So you listen to the person with the more reputable vocation when it comes to peoples wellbeing. OR since you won't discuss like adults, you'll be told like children
He is plenty smart and articulate as well as being a top level MMA fighter and analyst. And hs looks and talks well and is a 'hip dude'... not may guy like that anywhere.
Either get rid of weight cutting or nothing. Regulated weight cutting is stupid. If anything its less safe with regulated weight cutting because fighters wont be hydrated after the weight cut.
GongsunXin If they wanna stop fighters from fully rehydrating after weight cuts by adding another weigh in, its going to make it less safe for fighters to fight since they would be more dehydrated. Goes against what doctors are there to do to begin with, which is to make it more safe.
Chael's idea is coming to Bellator and the UFC, the question is when. The NCAA got rid of dehydration in 1997 and One FC got rid of it in 2015, in both cases after competitors died. It is silly that these organizations are waiting for someone else to die before they sign on.
Cutting weight might only be a US phenomenon in MMA, but in boxing its practised all over the world. It is a stupid and dangerous practise when done aggressively, and physicians absolutely need to regulate it. If not them then who?
I would love to know what Tyron woodley walks into the cage weighing or even Till. Till had to weight 189lbs the morning of and had to cut weight again! Fighting as a 170lb fighter
@chael sonnen. I love this vid the most. I forwarded this to my fellow docs who know my position on similar matters. Most people think doctors are the be all and end all of health. But I always tell them to take our consult with a grain of salt. In relation to your vid. I remind my colleagues the many inaccuracies in school and most of all, the last people you should ask regarding diet and exercise are doctors. Esp. exercise.
Weight cutting is sanctioned cheating. The goal of weigh-INs: fair fights. The goals of weight CUTS: 1. Fight someone smaller than you (CHEATING). 2. Avoid fighting someone bigger than you. After enough did number 1, everyone else did number 2. THE SOLUTION An organization (USADA) sees that fighters are randomly weighed once a week. Fighters have ~8 hours to be weighed at a designated location. Official weight is the average of the last 3. Fights are made based on this number. If a fighter can't do a weigh-in, they just can't fight until they get 3 in a row. BENEFITS: No weight cut No lost events Weights become accurate No championship belt problems Operations costs covered by stable events Weekly updates on weight for media / promotion PROBLEMS: Initial cost Administration & oversight of program Everyone goes up in weight, including champs
Cutting weight is ridiculous, it is so strange that we cut weight. Let’s dehydrate ourselves to fight/compete better. We did it in taekwondo it sucks and tbh idk that I actually did any better
One rule that I’ve opened my eyes on are leg kicks. I never want to see a leg kick. When I want to see a leg kick, it’s in the same vein, the same level, as seeing soccer kicks to a grounded opponent. It’s just anti-entertainment, unlike soccer kicks.
I always get the impression that when the camera goes off and the mic gets cut, Chael continues to pontificate like this on his own for the rest of the day without an audience.
Made my day, thanks for this comment
That's actually what he does on this channel. The mic and background is added in post production.
J S I hope I get to pontificate with my wife tonight.
it must be true
I hope so.
No, doctors aren't experts in weight cutting. They are however experts in the possibility and effects of short and long-term health complications caused by the sudden and drastic impact on the body and brains ability to handle extreme fluid loss in a very short amount of time. An Oncologist isn't required to have cancer his or herself to be able to see, diagnose and make reasonable predictions and precautions based on what they see in a cancer sufferer. I honestly can't work out if this a troll or not.
Dude people like this are the ones that go to the doctor, he give them a specific order to follow but they don't do it the way they were told and then after their condition get worse they blame it to the doctor and trash him as a professional. Oh i forget, and then they sue him
I saw Ari Shaffir call Chael an absolute moron and it's hard to disagree at times.
mission report
Bro he's refuting the notion which Chael is proposing that doctors aren't experts in cutting weight. He's saying whether or not they're experts in it is irrelevant when they can see a patient doing deliberate damage to themselves and taking years off of their lives for a fight, which in their current or forecasted condition, could lead to an immediate death in the ring/octagon as a result of those weight cuts.
It's like getting a truck or car engineer to work on a formula 1 car
Lee Brook, You are missing Chael's point. Stop weight cutting is the only answer, 21:10 .
The ONE FC is the right way to do it. Just test the body's hydration level and not let people cut. Everyone went up a weight class.
Chael is right, wrestling, they solved this decades ago.
force people to hydrate
True but in Wrestling they have weight classes that are separate by 4lbs to 6lbs, unless they are in the Heavyweight(220lbs) & Absolute(280lbs)
As someone who has been a ringside doctor are UFC event who has cut weight myself with world champion fighters I agree with Chsely 100 percent on this.
Chsely?
Who needs a doctor when youre the real American gangster!
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Dr’s are just lazy people who wanted to stay in school longer instead of joining the workforce!
Chael "I offer to you" Sonnen
quit that dumb shit
DIY "Chad" 726
LOL
Bro Science > Science
Book smart vs street smart. Experience vs knowledge
most science is scientism, bullshit, wrapped in religious beliefs and or made in theory for control, power and money. Real science is testable repeatable and observable.
I think he’s blazing that west linn oregon kush and comes up with crazy videos to post
Preston Vaughan here's the thing your right but also wrong cause when it comes to things like looking for black holes you need to put your life into learning obscure knowledge that so maybe you can catch a glimpse of a black hole so yes science is true and repeatable and observable but most people put they're life into this
look into it
Doctors are not experts at cutting weight. They are EXPERTS in maintaining health and preventing/treating complications. Even most nurses and medical students have seen and managed (or at least watched) many cases of severe dehydration, hypotension (low blood pressure), tachycardia (fast heart) and other conditions like sepsis or emergencies which have very similar signs/symptoms with extreme weight cutting complications. They know (or at least they should) know when and how to intervene to maintain homeostasis and organ perfusion. The flip side of the situation is that the doctor does not intervene, Yoel is rushed to the ED with severe dehydration and electrolyte imbalances and has organ damage (eg kidneys/brain) or worse suffers and arrhythmia (abnormal heart rhythm) and dies. Then what??? The doctor is there for a reason. Let him do his job, the doctor does not care how many extra hours the commission gives for a fighter to cut weight. If the doctor is concerned then thats it.. Times over
Miguel Munoz wrong. they don't know dick. practice beats theory every time.
Boosted Brian... "practice beats theory"? In that case, doctors have both practice AND theory. How many cases of dehydration and complications of dehydration has Chael solved? Doctors see dehydration cases all the time in the hospital. Unlike what Chael said, this is a common reason for visit in the Emergency. What practice are you talking about that Chael has? Cutting his own weight and watching some of his buddies cut weight? You're a tool.
@@boostedbrian8309 Let me guess, antivaxxer?
Chael is right once again. Doctors know a lot when they are playing in their own field. But when it comes to losing fat, gaining muscle, or ridding yourself of water, no! Ask a pro bodybuilder for those topics. They do it for a living.
NCAA also does hydration testing. That's a key element that you're missing.
+1
Same day weigh in makes 100% sense
Yes if you want more deaths
Retrogamer412 Natural Selection i guess
People need to stop cutting 20 to 30 pounds to compete at a weight class
if you going to fight a guy 30 pounds bigger than you im sure you gonna want to dehydrate to fight at a lower weight too lol
BATU TORIGO I agree and that's the problem mma has if everyone faught at the weight they train at we would have better fights and less hospital visits
This is chaels best and most unjustified rant ever
CHAEL QUICK VIDEO IDEA:
Reach in MMA is flawed. Measuring from fingertip-to-fingertip doesn't accurately describe one's reach because people have different body types. Two people may have the same span from fingertip-to-fingertip but one person might have a wider body frame and shorter arms.
should be measured from closed fist to armpit. But if you have wide shoulders and hunch back your reach will be longer even if your arms are shorter than your opponent.
Lucky S Good Point man. I had a hazy, uncondensed sense of this but you’ve helped me consolidate it. It’s just a good basic point that’s easy to miss explicitly, though it needn’t be.
My worldview’s a bit better for your post. Thanks.
ForGiggles You also make a legit point Ethan Bradberry, though not every strike will be with a closed fist. Personally, I’d be interested in having accurate measurements of a fighter’s entire body, including the phalanges and all joint-joint lengths, though I’d feel a bit like USADA to pressure for it.
(Yes, most hand strikes will be with a closed fist’s large knuckles and also “ENTIRE BODY” snicker-snicker.)
Lucky S I just skimmed through your playlists and I endorse every choice. You seem like a fan of reality and quality. (°;
Lucky S it has been flawed for years. Your right some guys could have shorter reach but excell at long distance striking. Ir a Man with a 78" reach might be most dangerous toe-to-toe. Impossible to define reach any way other than it is defined. It is a baseline measurement that when used with stats or commentator input can give the casual fan an understanding of reach and the role it plays in fighting. So many variables in fighting. Stats are more or less just a baseline to go by. Many well rounded fighters but always gonna be one discipline they excell in the best. How that relates to reach or lack of reach is a subject that will always have fans ready to wiegh in with thier opinion.
Chael can't WAIT to pick literally anything apart even if he's not 100% on the money
There should be a weight check when a deal is signed and weight checks throughout a training camp and a day of weigh in and a reasonable variation allowed. It would force people to fight at their walk around weight. I'm personally tired of every other card being ruined by a bad cut being pulled off the card.
He actually makes a really good point.
I wrestled in college. I was in NAIA, but it was the same weigh in procedures as NCAA. There is A LOT of weight cutting. If it is an open tournament, you can wrestle in a higher weight class if you miss weight. Chael is not being completely honest or things were different when he competed, or he has brain damage. But what do I know? This man has never lost a single second of a single round of a single fight. He knows it all!!!
Exactly.
chael has the best point and that is to eliminate weight cutting, and to weigh them in one hour prior to the fight...he's right this is six minute abs all over again
Chael brings up good points and has a right to be in this conversation as he is a living breathing example of all this shit and has done it for years
Just as Max is being rightfully pulled out form Ortega fight because of a stroke/concussion, Chael releases this... :) Ahhh, he really is a special type of an analyst :)
John Peretti decided there were going to be gloves and weightclasses not some commission. Extreme fighting was a weightclass event from the very beginning and they also introduced the gloves to it.
drs see ppl dehydrated all the time and spend 8 years in school learning about the biology of the body ie why it needs water, what happens if it doesn't get water, etc. much more expertise than fixing a broken bone...also many drs served overseas, played sports, etc. it's not like there's one single path to be a Dr. you're allowed to participate in other things than just school and med lab so it's very likely that SOME drs can be pretty insightful on this topic. love ya Chael but c'mon man
Crying Shame I can't Thumbs up this Greatest of all Chael Rants (aka First Rate Education) more than once.
I have watched (more importantly, I Listened) to this 3 times now and learn something new each time.
Thank you Chael
Wooooooooow
An all American wrestler.....revolutionizing the way to look at weight cutting
You sir, are my new hero,
Goddamn dude, i am really impressed with this talk
"There's something about Mary" is the 7minute scene he's referring to. It's really funny.
Gotta Love "The American Gangster" Chael P Sonnen..The Man, The Myth, The Legend. You are my Doctor Chael, Id let you advise me Anytime
I'm pretty sure the doctors the UFC employ will have knowledge of how bad dehydrating your body so much can cause
lol not just those doctors, every doctor does. It's one of the most common case you see in the hospital. Chael is being an ignorant idiot.
Brendan Schaub dressed up like a car salesman for his 4th of July podcast. I think that if you're Chael, however, then everyday is your own personal 4th of July!
I totally get his point, and I agree about the weigh-in. However, presuming they are limited in expertise simply because they have never de-hydrated is ridiculous. Most lower-leg surgeons have never had a tib-fib fracture, but they do know about the negative effects of it and they even know how to fix it.
FISH ON that's not the same argument, rookie.
Boosted Brain it is the same argument, I guess sonnen took too many hits to the head.
+Mr. dude it's not, because Sonnen mentioned OBSERVING it (probably studying is a better word in this case because you're not going to stand there and watch someone break their leg). Studying a subject gives you knowledge on it, they don't study the dehydration and rehydration process.
Ben askrin gave a perfect way to regulate weight cut. Not allow dehydration by testing the amount of water in your urine right before weigh ins
and survey that people drink
Chael Sonnen's brain> Doctors and scientists brain
as a former wrestler and the fact I'm going to be a doctor, I feel like I'd be good at the job, I might be able to give advice to teams that don't know what you are doing. my main concern would be if the fighter would be able to rehydrate in the 30-36 hours they have before the fight.
I don't think sonnen understands how smart doctors are...
I haven't fully looked into how ONE does their weight cuts but what I have heard from Ben Askren makes sense, test them to prove they are hydrated then get their weight.
Here's the solution: Have a weigh in AND a weigh out. Problem solved! No more of this, "I fight at 155 but re-hydrate to 190" BS.
You weigh in for your weight class the day before the fight, then you weigh out immediately after your fight. If you weigh 5 pounds over your weight class after the fight, then that's also considered missing weight and a DQ.
As soon as they graduated lol.
That's not true at all. Ask any MD who isn't an egotistical tool and they would tell you that.
Carnal Carnage wrong. you're an idiot.
It's a joke... Notice the "lol".
Some of you people are insane.
My doc is a complete idiot. He gives me pills for everything. If I genuinely asked him for weight loss advice, he'd probably prescribe me some crazy amphetamine.
Carnal Carnage you threw in the lol to cover ur own stupid comment in the likely hood that someone would call u out on it.
sure lets ignore doctors and take the word of a brain damaged fighter lol.
Sokol Shala dont trust Doctors for everything moron
Leo
I’m sure doctors are less credible on the subject of health than Chael and his bro science.
Sokol Shala i never like to assume but im going to here..that brain damaged fighter is smarter than you, especially on subjects he brings up.
Sokol Shala correct. you're an idiot. nobody cares what an obese doctor with no experience says. they don't have a section of medschool called weight cutting 101.
Or change your bullshit angle by saying: Lets not take the word of a highly skilled and experienced athlete, lets take the word of an old rich guy who has never cut a single pound or watched a single fight.
a doc doesn't have to go through a heart operation to perform a heart operation :/
Keith M wtf r u talking about
Everyone at medical school has a heart transplant done before they can graduate, that’s why the wait list is so long 😂😂😂
I like the “There’s Something About Mary” reference, well done Chael.
As a wrestler what Chael is saying is true. Same day weigh ins eliminates harsh weight cuts. If they do a harsh weight cut then the oerformance will not be good simple as that.
This scenario could be used in so many other ways when talking to “health professionals”. The people who have unwavering faith in a doctor are spasticated. Ask 5 different doctors the same question you’re going to get different answers
True but they do call it a practice for good reasons
Chael "gotta kick my legs up & feet on table" Sonnen. And even put my feet on other peoples table ie. old JRE episode
Love how Chael sonnen references there’s something about Mary
Always a great presentation. Thank you!
This man loves to hear himself speak.
Max after fail weight cut was in bed saying "someone fucking get Chael please"
The movie he was referring to was something about Mary when he picks up the hitchhiker haha
"Hey doc, have you ever had brain cancer?"
"well, no"
"Hey doc, have you ever helped someone get brain cancer?"
"well, no"
"pfft, how the hell can doctors claim theyre experts on brain cancer?!?"
Wow, i was going into this thinking I was going to disagree but i just cant. Chael hit it on the head.
13:38 One of their names was billy sailor my parents were great friends with him. He died his freshman year he was wearing a sauna suit and was riding his bike to practice when he passed out
Dylan Fugate No that’s false he wasn’t riding his bike to practice he was wearing a sauna suit riding a stationary bike Have you ever seen someone wearing a sauna suit out in the public? Yet wearing one on a bicycle in the street? If your parents were such good friends of his you should know that isn’t true, and you spelled his name wrong.
P_ Roc33 well since you knew him maybe you my parents as mutual friends. My mom’s name would’ve been either vicki slater or vicki fugate. My dads name was mike fugate.
Originally, I thought he was having a go a doctors stopping weigh cuts but after watching the vid I realized that Chael's point is that it makes more sense to stop weight cutting as a practice rather than regulate it. And he's right. Doctors aren't authorities on weight cutting and they aren't supposed to be. Medically, the only safe option is to have no weight cutting at all. It would be better for the fans and the fighters to not have it anymore. Less cancelled fights and less size disparity between fighters. Nobody cares who the near-suicide-through-dehydration champion of the world is.
Chael as President
Doctor worship is strong in this comment section.
Chael is dropping some good points.
chael sonnen is the Bro Fessor of MMA period ... everyone should have a Sonnen PHD before stepping into UFC
Excellent subject! Well done and well articulated!
america needs chael as president
Dr. Chael P. Sonnen at it's finest ..
Chael "But I Am Voicing To You That There's A Deeper Conversation There" Sonnen.
I say instead of changing the weight cutting process change the punishments for missing weight. For example, miss weight once 50 percent of your purse, a second time forced to move weight division and fined 50 percent of your purse
It's all about liability and lawsuits.
chael is right, get rid of weight cutting, if u can fight, fight at your regular weight, that weight cutting can take a toll on fighters n u don't really see their full fighting potential, because they always drained physically n mentally . I thought chael was just a loud mouth, but after watching some of his videos, he makes a lot of senses on a lot of topics
Dehydration is a component in even the most basic of EMT educations. So yes, medical doctors are experts on the effects of dehydration, and the means to correct said condition.
One of Chael's gifts in life is the ability to take a bullshit argument and make it sound convincing. With his rant about medical professionals, he did that very well. But that doesn't change the fact that it was a bullshit argument.
Even though doctors never cut weight themselves, they don't need to in order to understand what is going to happen. That is what studies are for. None of us need to put a gun to our head and pull the trigger in order to understand what the result will be. The same argument applies to this circumstance.
Props to Chael though. The man is one helluva troll.
BEST Chael EVER!
I think you should look into a condition called Low Laten inhibition or LLI. I have this and think you may have it as well. Should explain a lot once you are aware of it. Love your show and channel!
theres a big difference between "been there, done that" knowledge and pinheaded school "knowledge"
The movie is “There’s something about Mary”..great movie!
I think it’s pretty easy to define an excessive weight cut Dan Cormier Max Holloway Conor McGregor an in-excessive weight cut Frankie Edgar Demetrious Johnson TJ Dillashaw
Either do same day weigh-ins and have fighters stop cutting weight, or only cutting a few lbs.
Or...
The beginning of Fight Week have the weigh-ins at the beginning of the week. And allow the fighters to have 5 days to replenish themselves. That way there is no excuse to weight issues.
4:29 god i love chael
Chael acts like 90% of the roster does drain 20 pounds of fluid out of their system just to step on a scale
Subscribed 20 minutes ago after hearing him on other shows but hearing this dude talk about how years of education and experience isn’t good enough for overseeing medical matters is too much
Honestly? While he brought it up a lot, I think his point was to stop weight cutting. However, to defend him, I don't even know how much experience kidney doctors have with this. The difference is, it's a one or two day process, rather than getting dehydrated by working in the hot sun with no water etc. I just feel that it's more "controlled" than most cases doctors get, and he wants them to see that and either get rid of weight cuts or leave it.
In IPF powerlifting there are 2 hour weigh-ins and people still cut some weight, but on average it's in the neighbourhood of 3-5% of bodyweight. There are some that cut more but not many. And that much weight is relatively easy to cut and recover. Some people can fluctuate by that much over the course of a normal week.
21 mins hell yeah
Matthew Hurley right, I look for these long videos by Chael! Right or wrong it’s entertaining
You can get the same effect putting one of his 4 minute videos on loop 5 times.
haha
The only "real" problem with wieght cutting is the new aggressive techniques just quagmire the divisions with fighters that belong in a higher weight class and sometimes even 2 wieght classes up. If cuts we're limited to % of overall it would add a new look to current divisions.
Support or eliminate weight cutting. Monitored IVs & time, or disqualification trending penalty escalation. Weigh fighters outside the cage and give them bonus points or penalties. Weight classes are fascinatingly deceptive - an interesting aspect of some sports; I’m confident it could be more safely done to greater extremes.
Desiccating organic life is like overloading any supply chain - passing certain thresholds will break it, but short of that or an emergency, it’ll probably be mostly ok, in general. If football compelled extreme water-weight cutting without sufficient rehydration, the play quality would drop profoundly and so would the players' health - record breaking broken bodies, brains, and life function.
I’m also an anti-fan of willful unreason such as is often found by the sufficiently perceptive in the deficiently honest/humble. Doctors, and other’s granted consensus authoritative status, more often than not (IME) play ego defense games when their implicit/explicit claim of sufficient expertise meets acutely exposed ignorance about some authoritative declaration..people in general tend to be this way..notice?
Happy fourth..but like max sed ....the real fireworks are on sat the 7th
The athletic commissions' inability to make fast, clear, and decisive decisions in regards to rule-sets in MMA is embarrassing to the sport, dangerous to the fighters, and ultimately dangerous to the sport as a whole. For example, the concept of MMA constantly growing is reliant on marketability and making the sport more universally accepted to new audiences. MMA is big in north America, but it still has ALOT of growing to do in order to compete with sports like soccer, cricket, to name a few. If some body dies from a weight cut, could you imagine the press and media coverage for the event? It would get national news (which the sport currently does not receive outside major sports broadcasting). It would be like an nfl player dying on the field from a tackle. That would be the worst thing that could happen to the sport, because it would immediately put a black eye on MMA in the eyes of people who don't know much about it (who the sport relies on for future growth in a linear fashion). One could argue that the sport, in its infancy, was already being demonized and labelled a blood sport for serial killers and rapists, but isn't it more unlikely that the world would accept the sport had some one died, than back when the sport was still relatively taboo and unknown to the masses? I seriously think this could ruin the sport from growing bigger than it already is, and would provide a black eye that could never heal. And it's not up to the athlete's judgement to decide when is enough, because they are looking for any edge they can get (just look at the olympics and doping). Rather, it's ultimately up to the commission's ability to make fast decisions before some body dies, make the rules made clear and universal across all commissions, and to be more decisive in their decision making by being more serious about every rule they set out (which includes standing by their decisions and not "flip-flopping", and go all-the-way with their decisions instead of a "half-this-way, half-that-way" approach). Am I the only one on this?
The problem is the fighters and the doctors won't reach a compromise, they talk at each other not to each other
So you listen to the person with the more reputable vocation when it comes to peoples wellbeing.
OR since you won't discuss like adults, you'll be told like children
He is plenty smart and articulate as well as being a top level MMA fighter and analyst.
And hs looks and talks well and is a 'hip dude'... not may guy like that anywhere.
Either get rid of weight cutting or nothing. Regulated weight cutting is stupid. If anything its less safe with regulated weight cutting because fighters wont be hydrated after the weight cut.
what
GongsunXin If they wanna stop fighters from fully rehydrating after weight cuts by adding another weigh in, its going to make it less safe for fighters to fight since they would be more dehydrated. Goes against what doctors are there to do to begin with, which is to make it more safe.
yeah dont let people do the dehydration at all
Have a weigh-in the week before the fight. Then one more the day of or before the fight. If you're not under the weight for both then you don't fight.
Chael's idea is coming to Bellator and the UFC, the question is when. The NCAA got rid of dehydration in 1997 and One FC got rid of it in 2015, in both cases after competitors died. It is silly that these organizations are waiting for someone else to die before they sign on.
Cutting weight might only be a US phenomenon in MMA, but in boxing its practised all over the world. It is a stupid and dangerous practise when done aggressively, and physicians absolutely need to regulate it. If not them then who?
E Jaganjac As Chael said an 1 hour weight in is a good solution. No one will dehydrate anymore.
Joe Rogan had it right; average natural weight of fighter accessed over time, theyre placed into that weight class.
Why aren’t hydration tests mentioned?
I would love to know what Tyron woodley walks into the cage weighing or even Till. Till had to weight 189lbs the morning of and had to cut weight again! Fighting as a 170lb fighter
What do u think about Ortega refusing to fight jermey Stevens
After this .. n many other chael got my mind
Chael "seat at the table" Sonnen
Hahaha, is he referring to the crazy guy who picks Stiller up on the road in Something About Mary with the “6 minute abs”?
@chael sonnen. I love this vid the most. I forwarded this to my fellow docs who know my position on similar matters. Most people think doctors are the be all and end all of health. But I always tell them to take our consult with a grain of salt. In relation to your vid. I remind my colleagues the many inaccuracies in school and most of all, the last people you should ask regarding diet and exercise are doctors. Esp. exercise.
Weight cutting is sanctioned cheating.
The goal of weigh-INs: fair fights.
The goals of weight CUTS:
1. Fight someone smaller than you (CHEATING).
2. Avoid fighting someone bigger than you.
After enough did number 1, everyone else did number 2.
THE SOLUTION
An organization (USADA) sees that fighters are randomly weighed once a week.
Fighters have ~8 hours to be weighed at a designated location.
Official weight is the average of the last 3. Fights are made based on this number.
If a fighter can't do a weigh-in, they just can't fight until they get 3 in a row.
BENEFITS:
No weight cut
No lost events
Weights become accurate
No championship belt problems
Operations costs covered by stable events
Weekly updates on weight for media / promotion
PROBLEMS:
Initial cost
Administration & oversight of program
Everyone goes up in weight, including champs
Chael give us your opinion about all the drama that’s coming up leading to UFC 226
Great logic: a doctor never falls ill with cancer so he has no experience with it.
Cutting weight is ridiculous, it is so strange that we cut weight. Let’s dehydrate ourselves to fight/compete better. We did it in taekwondo it sucks and tbh idk that I actually did any better
Brendan Schuabb became a weight cutting doctor when you took him to Med School.
One rule that I’ve opened my eyes on are leg kicks. I never want to see a leg kick. When I want to see a leg kick, it’s in the same vein, the same level, as seeing soccer kicks to a grounded opponent. It’s just anti-entertainment, unlike soccer kicks.
Really good point
I've never fought AIDS but if I do I'd listen to my doctor...
fighters know how to weigh cut but we doctors know what and how to do it better, highly one dimensional thinking by chael