KZ Has a MAJOR Problem...
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- No two ways about it. This is bad... For them.
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KZ was so close to getting respect from the community and reviewers. Imagine the success they could have had 🤦♂️
I was starting to root for them, after reviewing the ZEX, but well… That’s done (for now, at least)
Is "performance" in audio a psychoaustic phenomena? Having said that, marketing in audio has always had a healthy account of snake oil added
Oh, not just in Audio. Marketing is more often than not, at least trying to lead the narrative in a way that makes the story better, and at most, flat out trying to tell you something completely made up.
Some aspects of "audio quality" can be measured like freq response and distortion but a lot of it will not really be captured with instruments what you actually hear subjectively. There is no measurement for bass detail or slam, analog midrange, silky treble, 3d imaging etc.
Very well put. This has caused alot of unhappiness. Some people rely on these expert reviews. The captain didn't build the ship but if it goes wrong we all know what happens.
My prediction is that KZ is just the start. I believe other companies do the same thing. The person taking apart the earphones found this and it seems nobody else does this but a few others I know of. It's new to the community and important because it will educate us about what really matters when it comes to the technology and tuning techniques these companies use. I can understand from a reviewers prospective that this discovery has caused a procived value in how many drivers are used and how all the drivers work but it's never really made since to me tbh. It seems the reviewers and customers feel deceived and lied to yet gave a positive review. If the crossover drivers really don't work then why does it sound good? That's the bigger question
I think so too. Goes to show how tuning and properly using the tools (drivers, in this case) you have can yield awesome results.
Basic dynamics + good tuning = great sounding IEM. Who’d have thunk? 🤔🤣
Jokes aside tho, that’s so “obvious”, isn’t it? Why “artificially inflate” features to differentiate yourself from the competition when you can rub it in their faces that you can do even the most “basic” stuff better than them?
That should be enough to peak the public interest with what you’ll be able to do when do DO GO “complex/higher level”
@@TechHyped I can't knock KZ for reaching a larger audience. They've managed to get me back into listening to headphones I'll admit. I Remember back 10 years ago or more you'd need a celebrity wether it be a pro basketball player or recording artist to sell headphones. Tech reviewers and RUclips changed all of that. Tech reviewers are the new celebrities now. Anyway we are at this point now and we want better and we want new inivation. The collaborations with CRN and HBB was a special thing and I don't think they should've broken their collaboration so soon but I get it. We all judge too quickly and they need to save their reputation. KZ knows what their doing even if the drivers aren't working as intended . influence and target curves are a huge factor. Now KZ can focus on tuning more and the idea of more drivers = better will be long forgotten marketing strategy for them
@@chrisstroud60I think you were spot on, just look at the ZS10 Pro 2 and the ZAR that have been put out fairly recently. They still haven't cracked the planar nut though, from what I have heard.
What's the current situation on KZ's fake driver controversy?
Drama
I don't know enough about headphones to fully understand either side here, but I found two conflicting arguments and I don't know what to think.
Here's a great summary of the whole KZ situation where I got all this from.
A couple months ago, Facebook user Delta Fyre made a post about how his KZ CRN graphed almost no different after removing the EST and BA drivers. He claimed the drivers were for all intents and purposes, "decorative". Crinacle himself (who worked with KZ to tune the CRN) made a whole statement on this and promised never to work with KZ again. Everybody hated KZ.
However, I just found that apparently Delta Fyre made another post down the line, explaining that he noticed the exact same thing with another headphone manufacturer. Curious, he then asked the EST driver manufacturer themselves for clarification, but found out that this was apparently normal behavior, and that the drivers were for tuning purposes and not for taking over a band of the FR as you'd initially expect. DF says he essentially takes back the whole initial exposé against KZ.
This is the first time I've ever heard this alternate angle. On one hand, I'm tempted to believe him because he essentially started the whole KZ flame war. On the other hand, it's hard for me to believe that the EST and BA drivers have an actual intended purpose other than marketing fluff considering they're a hundred or so times quieter than the DD in the CRN (he compares ut to the TRN BAX which had the same "issue"; with the DD at 118 db, the EST would be at 90).
I've never heard anyone else in the audiophile community address this last bit and I don't know what to believe. Any ideas? Are adding additional drivers to IEMs to change timbre and tuning normal, rather than wiring everything through a typical crossover?
Edit: Final thoughts
After reading through the comments and the explanations, I'm pretty certain KZ was in the right here. Delta Fyre expected the drivers to work a certain way (as tweeters/subs), and when they turned out to work differently (for tuning and detail retrieval to assist a full-range DD), he mistakenly thought they were fakes meant to up the driver count, as he explains in the apology post I linked.
I like your resume about the problem, that was very informative. Thank you.
thank you for givign detailed analysis on this issue and debugging the fake driver story..i was going to bu an kz zs10 pro x, and after hearing this controversy about fake BA used and only one DD is functioning, i was wondering should i move with other IEM brands, but now its clear that, the way those BA works in KZ is a bit different and it doesnt work like e reguale speaker settup where each speaker is for individual freq. Insteas the BA in KZ is used for tunning... atleast iam happy the BA is used for some purpose rather than just being fakes and no use to the sound quality.
Thank you for this. 👍🏽👍🏽
@@suryavishwanath8564Have you bought that iem, ZS10 pro X? If you bought it, how does it sound? I just bought it today. Haven't received it yet.
How mean BA used as regular speaker and as tunning?
after more than a year of intensive use my Kz zs10pro have lost bass and have become sticky. Being quite handy with electronics I did not hesitate to open them. All the drivers were connected to a pcb placed above the dynamic driver. I listened to each driver individually, they all worked perfectly. I cleaned everything with isopropyl alcohol, reassembled but I did not solve the problem. I write this because mine, bought on Aliexpress, in my opinion were original and all the drivers connected and working. This is my testimony
So were you able to fix the loss of bass eventually? if yes, how?
@@winandd8649 unfortunately not
If you lost the bass, probably the problem is with the dynamic driver. Not the balance armature. So maybe you need to try to replace the dynamic driver first
This is what happens when consumers care more about specs and numbers than sound quality.
I ordered 2 sets of these, never saw these videos to today and emailed them as that was 5 days ago and asked why not sent them and they're apparently haven't sent due to being shut down from covid. Or is it cause everyone now knows.
Although I bet they probably included it in their marketing (I'm unaware) I can see why those drivers are left in, its very expensive to get new machining and a lot of stuff in china is made almost at material cost and those drivers are tiny, would take more money to make little pieces of something to fill the space they took up in a way that wouldn't effect the tuning on the main driver.
Yeah, I know there are costs that would surpass “correcting” all the crap, but they only have the problem because they either screwed up with the other drivers, or they put them in there just for show and bumped the price because “sales!”
My experience with KZ has been great. Got the ZAS model, after owning custom molded Ultimate Ears. Something happened to one of the UE ones and having them fixed was gonna cost about $300 bucks. They were $700 brand new. took a plunge with the ZAS's. They sound VERY similar to the UE's, maybe with a little more bass, but at $70 bucks, worth 10% of the cost of the UE's. But yes, they claim to have 8 drivers per side... I don't know, the UE's were 3 and worked pretty much the same, these ones with 8 drivers?? they sound great, but I do believe they are still 3 actual working drivers per side.
ZS10 Pros have been wonderful for me. Although having advertised multiple drivers(while not actually using them) is quite shady behavior.
@@Jacob1451_Kapnobatai I just bought KZ ZS10 Pro X today for just only 27$. Is that unit also has fake drivers? If so, is it still worth it with that price?
i am listening to this all the way through, but i cannot waiver my love for the KZ ED9, ZS10 PRO and now ZS10 PRO X
i don't use them for critical listening/mixing, but for audio pleasure i love the sound.
please don't attack me i love you
I copped the ZS10 Pro 2, and yeah for $35 just incredible quality sound.
@@AaronDLee I also ordered it. ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻
I have a pair of KZ-ZSN Pro X and tbh, I love them....even if there are unused drivers, it doesn't change just how good the sound is for so little cash.....shame.
I agree. It doesn’t change the past or the quality of what they’ve launched already, but this behavior can’t go on.
I just seen this video after receiving my DQ6 iems. Regardless they still sound better than the sures i was using. So they made a phenomenal single driver iem. I have no issues for the money vs spending over 100 dollars for a entry level iem that sounds like crap.
Objectively speaking, I rather use the ZEX than several other IEMs I have over here, some of which are frankly *loads* more expensive... But out of principle, the problem itself is concerning and shouldn't be ignored... When you're talking $20-$30-$50, yeah, the impact isn't all that great, but in other systems and circumstances, it could.
This aged better knowing what happened.
What did in fact happen?
Hu
Didn't the guy who made the post about non working drivers made an apology post afterwards saying that after contacting Sonion they said that multidrivers are also set up the way kz did it and there was nothing wrong?
@@ArifGhostwriter Sorry for a 7 Month Late Response, but basically...
KZ lied about their Drivers. Realistically, you can only hear the DD while the other Drivers (BAs and ESTs) are duds. Could be a Glue Error or a Soldering Error, but the Drivers are not working.
The anticipated CRN was accused to be a Copy-Cat of a QKZ VK4, but QKZ is the one doing the Copying.
KZ once stated that when they do collabs, the one who is collaberating usually requests a 15% Cut, like Crin.
Why bring out Crinacle? KZ wanted to do a Sequel with Crinacle, but Crinacle stated there will be some strict Minimum Requirements: No Branding on Box and zero obligation to promote. So Crinacle rejected KZ.
KZ offered Crinacle a 15% Cut, but Crinacle decided to push the Limit as KZ was being too pushy. Crinacle's strict minimum requirements became more harsh:
Additional Lump-Sum Payment on top of the Pay Cut (as he does not trust KZ)
His own Agent in China to verify KZ Sales Reports (as he does NOT trust KZ)
Still zero obligation to promot Product (Unnegotiable)
Can pull the Product out of Market for any reason
If a Video were to be made of Product, Crinacle can say anything of the Product, even if it can damage the KZ Brand.
KZ rejected the Offer.
Eventually, KZ released an IEM that is near 1:1 to the Collab Idea (same MSRP, Set-Up, and Frequency Response).
Overall, KZ is rather scummy AF. Suppose if the Collab does happen again, I wouldn't be surprised if the Drivers are Duds again.
Got a KZ pr1 pro for 3 months, left side got quieter :.)
Edit: apparently pushing the membrane with a screw driver made it louder :l
That’s a hardcore tweak lol
The audio quality is good but , from an KZ3 owner for almost an year , they failed already 3 tomes , and 3 times i send them in warranty and got a new pair.
Its absurd!
The build quality is trash.
Bro, I am sorry for your misunderstanding but don't worry, i am here to help you clear this. it's the PCB that controls audio distribution between drivers. Every driver is protected by a NOR gate. It is engineered in such a way that if a consumer damages one of his drivers by accident or willingly by avalanching audio frequencies at high volume, then the diver will fail, in that case, he/she will continue to get the sound uninterrupted out of the remaining active drivers at least. This is not like a home theater speaker bro, where you disconnect a subwoofer and then the bass will be cut off. Engineers are not fooled either. IF they manufacture headphones like a home theater speaker, then easily some noob consumers might damage those sensitive drivers by blasting them at high volume, and then suddenly they will not hear certain frequencies of the audio. How bad it will be? Nobody will then like to hear a partial speaker if you get what I mean. On average consumers often break their headsets already but we don't get aware of it. The engineer hence has thoughtfully implemented a method where one can take advantage of all of the drivers if used by care and if unexpectedly something breaks, they can at least get a normal headphone performance instead of cutting out / null audio. So here is the ECE that they implemented correctly, it's like a switch. As soon as a driver will fail, the audio will be rejected by those drivers and only Dynamic will be fed with the audio signal.
Wooowww nice
just got the KZ Castor, EDX-pro and a few other KZ's for about a buck fifty each on ali-express black Friday lol i have no complaints.
To give the devil its due, many companies are being pushed to use more drivers or be shamed to be lacking innovation and being greedy. Look at Sennheiser for example, they are being blamed for having the same driver in many of their IE line of IEM while asking for more money. However, Sennheiser is strong enough, smaller companies have a higher risk.
So from their perspective, you have to have multiple drivers, otherwise it will be hard to segment your product. This will create an internal pressure which could lead to this.
I would would put some of the blame on the community alao instead of putting it 100% on KZ.
You’re not wrong in terms of the pressures to innovate, as well as the problematics of differentiating products within a company’s own roster (and against the market, even).
That definitely has part of the blame on the community and the level to which people understand the implications, technologically, of using the same driver with different tunings or other materials and frames etc actually making the product different.
That said, from the difficult road that is to go down through, vs putting stuff in a product to be able advertise something that’s not true, well… that’s the issue here, imho.
Those are 2 different problems, and one doesn’t “justify” the other because they’re not exactly “cause and effect”.
@@TechHyped I agree with you, I wasn't trying to give them an excuse. What they've done is a marketing scam, and they should be held accountable. But I still think there is a relation between the two problems, but not a direct one as you've already mentioned.
I already bought the zex pro about a month ago and seeing this now, im kinda disappointed, i mean all im hearing is the dynamic (which would answer my question of why there is distortion at high but not highest volumes) and its something i shoulda paid 1/3 to 1/2 of the value ☹️
That’s not an entirely sound argument. There are single-driver IEMs using dynamics that cost a hellllllll of a lot more than $36-$37 and that are indeed that much better.
The main issue is the usage of the useless drivers and the botched “cover-up” job they did.
Yeah, the lack of those drivers could have brought production costs down, but not necessarily would mean a 1/3 as expensive IEM in retail pricing.
@@TechHyped Alright i can see where youre coming from, i just meant that if they didnt include the electrostatic and ba drivers it coulda reduced the price as other electrostatic iems can cost hundreds of dollars, but thanks for the info anyway!
Edit: Side note, im still "new" to the hobby of being an audiophile, i only got my first pair of decent headphones and iems on the first if last year, letting me at least know what quality sound can be
I can’t imagine anyone has good enough hearing to distinguish different drivers in a set of iems
Oh I 100% agree. That’s why no one said anything until the dude opened them up.
Even with 1DD they manage to get it wrong timbre wise, zex pro and dq6 never sounded good to me. A blon, chu or T2 sounds correct and if you're willing to get a bit above that the aria sounds a lot better than buying multiple 20-30$ iems
I think crynicle said this in his video as well.
ye. i came here looking for bad opinions on this brand as someone who has only bought the bottom barrel price edxs on aliexpress, this definitely tracks for this type of brand to me. Id say their respect gained from the general or entry market is always gonna be more important to them.
I'm not sure what going on
I would imagine KZ has seen this video,so my question is this,have they done anything about it? Are the new KZ IEMs any better like the KZ ZSN pro x ?
I don't think KZ are the only ones doing this.. 🤔
Probably not. Wouldn’t be surprised.
I think kz lack good engineer they have the driver but they dont have a skill to make them all work together and sound good. So they just think that if they couldn't make many driver sound good together. Why not mute other driver and tune only 1.
Tuning costs money. If they're not saving on drivers, they're saving on tuning costs. This explains the tons of poorly tuned iems that KZ releases every year. They don´t know how to or don't want to make the drivers they use work together and sound good.
after this (im entirely new to kz)
what kz set would you suggest buying for under $50?
they have a loooot of iems to look through
None
There are other waaaay better options at that price range
Save $30 more for the Aria
@@AnickYT waaay too late
bought the kz zsn pros and love them
and spending 60+ on earbuds sorta defeats the purpose of getting a cheap pair to start with
cheaper then my $200 lucid sound headset
so theres less to loose if i loose them somewhere
and much much lighter
@@tylerherr4288 Ok to be fair, I do appreciate KZ for allowing me to basically see the potential of IEM as I honestly used to look down on them. Soon as I saw the potential, I bought the Aria within 2 weeks of buying the KZ and gave my KZ out to a coworker (who doesn't have good audio) in a heartbeat.
To be fair, and not that I wanna rub salt on the wound or anything, but that could/would have happened with several other IEMs, not just a KZ one, at basically any price range.
But I get what you’re saying.
Casually watching this with Kz zsn 10 pros
Some people just wanna see the world burn…. 🤷🏼♂️
How you finding them?
Happened with the CCA NRA as well. I like it a lot. Really. I still like it a lot. But I was sold something that wasn't what was advertised. Shame on them. KZ REALLY ?!?!?! Come on if you can tune things that way why do you need t lie about it? Shame on you
Apparently putting more drivers is not wasting money, but a marketing move... People wants more,
finally some common sense, yeah while Crinacle or other tuner and reviewers take no responsibility on engineering, these people pride themselves as connossieurs that can tell apart driver timbres like DD, BA, coherency and other stuff, all of then blame the "BA Timbre" but it turns out it's just one driver doing everything and their pride is what let their guard down against these fake drivers. All their reviews and endorsements influence people buying decisions, and now all of them and their followers pit all the blame on KZ while washing their hands clean from their mistakes as reviewers that can't even tell brands are faking them even though they're so proud of their tastes and "Golden ears".
I say they are put to the highest standard since they claimed that they know what "good earphones" sounds like from all sorts of price range and are influencing a lot of people buying decisions.
Oh and nobody bothered to test ZEX Pro and VK4 Old Batch since they look very similar on Crin's database, well i did, and they sound different, the ZEX Pro has a real peak on 8k that cause the dreaded "BA timbre" while VK4 is free from peak in my ears while using Sine Sweep and ZEX Pro is rolling off heavily after 12k while VK4 still has energy up to 14k which caused better treble extension on VK4.
so yeah, even Crin can't guarantee his graph is a measure of quality.
fair, but there really aren't that many iem measurements out there
@@nogo7277 you just haven't searched far enough, good ones i recommend are: Woodenears, Speakerphone (Gre_nada on Naver), Rin_choi (stopped at 2014 but useful information), 0DB on Naver
@@ericfernando4296 thank you, that is hella interesting.
I'll bookmark a few of them :D
A truly entertaining story. Imagine them watching these videos. You need to provide translations. ;)
I can barely keep up with posting as is, but I’ve been thinking about that too hehe.
Thanks mate!
I have a ZS10 Pro and after a few months the bass on the left earbud stopped working but still has highs and mids. I dont know what is going on.
The glue isn’t glue… its like fucking putty and it leaks into the danm drivers muffling and ultimately killing the danm thing
@@sekkuichoUpon close inspection i've noticed that one of the balanced armatures on each side look to be blocked with glue. I'm pretty sure they weren't like that before. Does the adhesive they used really move over time?
Is there a list of KZ earbuds that are in question ?
On Reddit, probably. Haven’t seen/looked for one since, to be honest.
Im jus seeing this after buying 2 zsn pro x
Good that I waited. Would have been a feeling of getting scammed
Get a KZ ZS10 PRO X and you'll get better sound than the Shure SE215
At least from my experience.
I'm using the ZSN pro X am I cooked?
CZ from binance and KZ from IEM both doing same 😅
i bought a pair of kzs and they were UNUSABLE i mean the static was louder than the audio the sound quality was just simply not good and i even OVERPAYED for them kms
Have you or anyone else verified this claims?
Several people have. For transparency, I don’t have the equipment to do so directly.
Great video, I didn't know anything about this before.
But, I do have to criticize the point about multi-level incompetence. Engineers may very well have wanted to, and had the capability to tune the other drivers. Management or C-Suite employees could have pulled the plug on that R&D due to time constraints. Or, one shady employee (at or above management level) could have insisted "no more tuning", then lied to upper management. Having worked in a corporate setting, these things can happen for all sorts of bonkers reasons.
There are TONS of different ways this could have happend. Now, the fact that it did happen does cause distrust from me, but I would forgive this bizarre behavior if they are able to explain what happened. I believe an apology and reasonably detailed explanation is in order. If we don't get that, then I'll remove them from my list of contenders for my next purchase.
For me the KZ ZS 10 PRO lost their bass. Dunno what they used or how much balanced armatures or dynamic they used. But the fact is that after the 3rd month the right one lost its bass and responds from ~220hz and up and 3 more months later the left one lost it as well and they now sound thinny only mids and Highs just like cheap ear buds. So that tells me the eather the smd filters on the pcb failed do to shock or whatever my phone can do while plugging them in or the balance armatures where used and some of them failed (I'm guessing some of them where responsible for the bass).
mee too bro
what we do now?
Sorry to hear that, bros…
Well, theoretically 3 months is still within RMA territory, but depending on where you got them from, that could prove difficult to arrange…
Its not the first account of the sort I’ve hear of, and its not the first related to KZ IEMs, but this happens to almost every brand at varying degrees…
Never a nice experience and one of the reasons having easy access to get items replaces or serviced through warranty is so important. ;/
Happened to mine...sounds "tiny", no bass
Mine just did the same. Both around the same time.
i have a KZ ZEX
claims to have a 1dd 1est driver
but the high freqs sounds terrible and bass don't kick that much
i have the KZ EDX Ultra and i payed 25€ and the sound is much better than my SONY WF-1000XM3 wich costs 90€ and better than my EOZ ARC II at a price of 120€with a sound on a 200€ lvl...
It sounds awesome… No doubt about it. Its just a problem of misleading the customers to a point.
It seems minor because its a cheap IEM and there’s a whole slew of “explanations” being pushed around, but its misleading just the same….
And I still think it sounds flipping awesome, unfortunately.
@9:20 - we can't prove what was the intention unless they volunteer or caught red handed. But there is the "specification subject to change without notice" (legal) loophole. This scam is relatively tiny compare to the cell[phone industry ( non-user replaceable battery and glass cover ) .
You should check out the Tin Hifi T3 +, fell down a rabbit hole of your channel and have been enjoying the videos!
Thanks bud!
Im trying to get to the t3+… Such a backlog lol!
надо попробовать отключить основной драйвер, услышим ли мы арматурные драйвера?
As far as I can tell, if you disable the main drivers, you won’t hear anything due to the secondary ones being literally disconnected.
Not sure if they would even be tuned or balanced or properly set up if you tried to hook them up to power.
Wait, so you have asked the question in Russian and got an answer? YT is so much international in terms of translation nowadays, wow
Well, thank google translator for that lol
I bought the kz zsn pro last day for 13$ they are good the sound is clear but I didn't feels that there is more than 1 driver like tye bass is not that loud I said to my self maybe this is how 2 drivers sounds like But after watching your video Im now sure but in the end for 13$ and that build quality not bad and there is one problem I found there is some noise sound when I Lower the sound
They are gaining respect finally... Few good models now.
Been hearing nice things too. Guess its time to test some of them out.
Just got 2 for stage... Kz works better for large band setups. Time for a re review maybe.
Are you gonna review the moondrop Chu and Crinacle's new collab (with truthear)
Waiting for them
@@TechHyped glad to hear that!
Sorry man. Kz did the Katy and cheap job. They tune one driver and that's all. They cheated . And even the pro is never better than the mele for 50 bucks. I bet all of their iems are the same. They cheated . Let's built a iem that has 7 drivers . But we concentrate in one and the rest does lip sync. That's what they did. Simple. Creating holes. Tubes. Filters. Distance . They did not bother with that their dd drivers is not worth 20 dollars to be honest
Be it incompetence or not, that’s a hack of a job.
The ZexPro i honestly like very very much and it is better than a metric ton of other IEMs that cost up to $50 (not that there’s nothing at $50 that’s better… I still think the t2 is better in almost every way, for example), but even it isn’t getting recommended because I don’t think a company that “cheats” like this should get the support of the customer base.
They need to address this, hardcore.
@Gus Gonzalez yeees.agreed. Well the mele sounds better to me
I tried the KZ and found them very very bright. Too much high frequency. I returned them to Amazon within 24 hours.
it's usually the 2k and 5k double-horned peak that often makes music extremely bright
planning to buy the kz eda, do you think it is a good idea?
Haven’t heard it, so can’t comment, really.
I hate how the person doing this stopped at just a few KZ iems. I mean is it all KZ iems? is CCA doing it too? how many other companies do this and what IEM's are actually safe?
Agreed.
Is the CRA better than the ZEX PRO? Regardless of the issues
Nope. Close, but no
@@TechHyped Is it still worth even with the driver issues?
@@Typerist the fker did not respond to you
Also, piggybacking on the thread, i texr below..i also noticed this blind, loyalty , of audio people, that stuck with em..in thee 8 months, ive watched and read bout kz products...the number one thing i said to myself..I ave no clue why people endorse kz...in 8 months, thats what it came too..blind loyalty to a company who, before this debackle, made some really bad products..
Can’t say I disagree
Good luck to ya, mr gonzales...peace..whizzer bs1 open back, i just bought kickz ass....oh yeaah.
Thanks bro. Have fun 🤘🏻
I also think it was wrong of you to call mr fries, french fried or french fries..ya sounded , like a child with ur hand , caught in the cookie jar...thats the blind loyalty, i was refering too..you acted like, you still wanted to stick up for kz...im a neutral, person ..i think, you owe, mr fries/ akros, whoever, a debt of thank you..peace
Kabear lark is better i think. I've used both kz zex and Kabear is now on use. No one talks about kabear. Although they've little on low on the bass but still enjoyable. I'd like to know other people's experience with iem's around 30$
I have a couple of KBear reviews on the channel. Competent brand for the price most of the time. Definitely worth a look too, for anyone wondering
which is KZ's best iem?
KZ ZS10 PRO or KZ ZS10 PRO X are my recommendations.
KZ LIED
comprehensive explanation or comprehensive honest explanation?, kz has been producing and selling iem for many years?, NO DOUBT IN THEIR CAPAILITY of design from electronic circuitry, plastic molding and tuning.
the problem in there is big BUT, if you have THREE electronic accoustic
filter to tune , THREE transducer you have to tune, THREE physical
accoustic filter/damper to tune, one shell to tune.
in case of
dq6 it has 3 dynamic driver, do you know how much trouble, tuning, and
rnd you have went thru to properly tune THREE dynamic driver?
fine tuning is not goes well with mass production and low production cost especially for multi dynamic driver.
kz INTENTIONALLY disabled the 2 micro dynamic driver because, they dont have the time to tune it, they dont have the worker to tune it, they DONT HAVE THE TIME to tune it, why? BECAUSE LOW COST MASS PRODUCTION.
That’s no excuse. Lots of companies have their strategies based on “Low Cost / Large Scale”, and that doesn’t stop them from doing it right.
Lying to keep people from knowing about their incompetence is still a crappy move.
what about qkz
isnt it possible that the other driver arent ussles they could be used to reduce noise or workd on a frequency that human basicly cant hear :D
Heck yeah… but no 🤣
I'm done with KZ too.
Fuck KZ! but I do still like my CRN.
btw you have really nice looking keyboards in the background...
Yeah, the CRN is nice anyway you put it. Troublesome ;/
Hahaha thanks man. Sometimes I review keyboards as well ;)
How can you say that the CCA NRA's at less then $20 are BAD?!?!?! They go seriously loud with absolutely 0 distortion even when I drive them with my Fosi Audio N2 which can drive 600Ω headphones! I mean at $20 come on, they're not that bad!!!
It is bad, eq is a must
Theh retune everything.. they use different cheap low quality drivers in already released iems. They retune it. They stop providing certain accesories after some days of release.. QC issues are very huge in no. So a BIG NO.. i have 3 cca cra with me .. each has different box, different impedence(on box), diff sound obviously...its nothing but smelly dump.yard
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100% agreed Gus very honest opinion.
Thanks bro
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Should I order the zar’s?
As a reviewer I’m contemplating not reviewing KZ products for a while, but as a consumer, I’d say: nope.
At the same price ranges, there are *several* other brands delivering similar (sometimes worse, sometimes better, sometimes equal) performance, and since the majority apparently don’t engage in all the bulls*it KZ seems to enjoy, I know where my money is gonna go, until further notice.
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Anyone do this to the kzsn or kz s10 pro? Cuz i love this brand
Sounds better than $180 beats on bluetooth
So I really don’t care. Lol
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The worse blahblah I ever heard. Nonsense😂😂😂😂
I think the BA is empty its only a housing its fake
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Shit. I almost buy a $50 above kz
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Couple of years ago I bought KZ ZSN - based on all the "audiophile" "reviews". Far from comments from reviewers about sparkle, or recess, or bright, or all of the other trendy terms everybody uses, I'd use terms like pungent or stench. These IEMs are really, really bad, no matter what amp, tips or fit I achieve. My reference is a pair of bluetooth connected pair of Sony 7506s. So, this news about including non - or barely functioning - drivers isn't relevant. The whole chi-fi scene, as far as I'm concerned, and from my own experience with other purchases, is a huge scam. At least this stuff is not expensive.
Too much editing here... It is misleading. Of course KZ has to take responsibility of they want to retain their customers..
Misleading? Yes, they have to take responsibility but at the time of the review they had said this: "................."
lol?
I wish you people would quit speculating and spreading misinformation. How many of these have been opened, 2? You're a horrible reviewer. Your fake outrage is just cringe. Frankly, I think you're just taking info from other reviews and regurgitating and perpetuating more hate. Just stop it.
Zsn pro, pro x
Has anyone opened them ??
Yes I was just left a comment on this that RUclipsrs are not engineer or technical manufacture guys. There’s other test are done with other brands and the result is the same non audible and also tested wrongly and the guys tested even admitted it. And they just kept quiet about this.
Really disgusting that RUclipsrs just use hate speech message.
All these RUclipsr should go buy camp audio etc.
You think we can't see that instead of facing criticism and answering responsibly you double down on agressive attitude and insults?
Hello…. Do you know that other brand IEM where cracked open and tested at the same way and the other drivers doesn’t have audible sound.
You guys put it on RUclips slamming KZ etc but no one rectify and corrected this issue yet out a brand to shame. You guys are RUclipsrs and not engineer and not manufacture and shouldn’t add fire to the oil.
Do your homework. Or at least do another video to clear this incompetent message.
Hello kz mouthpiece
Oh yeah, unsubbed.
I bought KZ Zs10 PRO and they sound flat, metallic, super high-frequencies boost, no mids, no bass at all. A little bit of basses are just on the right side, then I discovered a leaking of glue (or something similar) near the connectors... Unusable, they sound worse than a 5$ generic cheap chinese earphone. I tought I was unlucky to receive a fault device, but searching on the web I notice that A LOT of people has this kind of issues, so the Quality Control is very poor, there are too many KZ IEM with factory defects, I will never bought them again...
In my 8 months on my tws/ iem tear, buying great tws, like the jvc ha a7tgumy, sabbat e12 ultra, lypertek sf s20, votomy v22, just to name a few...ive looked and liztened to alot of reviewz, on, tws/ iemz...ive watched, quite a few vidz on kz, vx 10, sk 10 , s2..anyway, if a tws, doeznt ave a volume control onboard, im not buying it..also errd, the kz twsz, ave tons of bad connection..saw a video of guy, who was doin a kz video, and said, that kz, has realeased alot of bad products..now, i started this back in july of 2021..ok..i neva had theee inklin to wanna purchase, any kz product.
So, what am i missing hyere...notta god damn thing.
Glad i watched and read bout kz, to avoid bullshit like this..
Kz izza bad brand...period..therez tons of tws/ iem brands out there...luv my bt, and itz not just for the convience, the great sound is there, with no cables, amps, etc..itz all there in the tws, for alot cheaper..i did just buy an iem, bought the whizzer bs1...quite a nice sounding budget iem..open back too..peace
Check out the whizzer bs1 openback iem..
26 bucks for a nice, nice iem, that works..oh yeaah
You don t speak a truth!
The situation may have evolved since then, but speaking from a purely “PR” standpoint, they had a problem and didn’t handle it even close to well enough back then