I've noticed A LOT of Bears fans in the comments with many different opinions, which is awesome! Really glad to see so many new people get involved in the community and discuss something they're passionate about. Healthy, respectful debate is always encouraged around here and I'm working to get involved in each discussion in the comments section to give my thoughts! I wanted to share my brief thoughts on the debate. I genuinely think the Bears could do no wrong at their current stage as long as they get either Caleb Williams or Marvin Harrison Jr. At that point, it really becomes a balancing act of what you prefer: (a) Caleb Williams + resetting the rookie contract window + whatever resources they get from trading fields; or (b) Keeping and paying Fields + whatever resources they get from trading #1 + whatever they lose from trading back into 3 to get MHJ (if they need to/want to). Both are great options, but what do I prefer? At this stage, I lean towards option (a). By taking Caleb, you reset the rookie window, allowing a bit more time to continue to build up the team around him without having to spend extra money on Fields. Although I have been vocal in real life supporting Fields in the past, I don't think I've made it clear on my channel so far that I believed heavily in Fields after year 1. However, I recognize that he has continued to struggle with some of the same weaknesses that he came into the NFL with. At times he shows flashes of being an unbelievable player, but he has yet to put it together consistently for someone who has played 35 games and it's risky attempting to hold out hope that he'll be able to do it in year 4 right before you have to decide on his 5th year option and then pay him long term. Also, this is a fantastic (and very deep) WR class, so taking Caleb doesn't eliminate the choice to get another great WR. Especially since the class is not super deep in some of the areas that the Bears need most (#2 CB, #2 Edge Rusher, IOL). I think the Bears are better off restarting the learning curve with a new QB, with a ton of upside, and grabbing 1 or 2 WRs from this really deep class and supplementing the depth of other positions in free agency and later in the draft. This is not to say that option (b) isn't also great, it's just my preference. MHJr and DJ Moore would be a nasty WR core for Fields and would significantly increase his margin for error. His rushing ability, plus Khalil Herbert and Roschon Johnson (a RB tandem I really like), will put LBs in flux and allow MHJr and DJ Moore to win over the top and in the intermediate areas of the field (if Fields can progress to the point where he's finding and hitting those throws in between the LBs and Safeties). Obviously, the extra resources from trading #1 would set them up down the line to add guys in future draft classes that are better stocked at positions the Bears need. Anyways, my main point is that I think the Bears are in a great spot and I'm excited to see what happens! I hope you guys appreciate the nuanced take and my relative preference of one over the other, rather than just choosing one thing and refusing to acknowledge the potential of both options. I'd love to hear if you guys agree, disagree, don't really have an opinion, or think I'm missing something. Also, I'm very fine with people insulting me or making valid criticisms- there are quite a few on this video and I appreciate all who brought great perspectives on some of the video's flaws. However, to some of the others, if you're going to disagree or insult the video/me, atleast watch the whole video / read this whole paragraph first so we can have a substantive discussion 😉(I kid, everyone is entitled to post what they want - that's what the internet is for!). Thanks for watching, sharing your thoughts, and supporting the channel!
What worries me about Caleb as a Bears fan is that many of his flaws are the same thing people say about Justin Fields and he didn't look very good against some of the top defenses that he went up against such as ND and Oregon.
@@tccrypto8392 I would agree that he has some very similar flaws, but I'd counter that, by resetting the rookie window, you're now taking a guy who has those flaws and more time to improve them over a guy who has those flaws and has struggled to make consistent improvement on them if that makes sense. My counter is really more for the sake of discussion though as, like I said, I think sticking with Fields could be a very good option for them too!
I would agree that it makes financial sense to reset the QB clock. However, I get a bit nervous as a Bears fan as the last draft they did have the opportunity to take the 1st QB in the draft they traded up for Trubisky in a draft that had Patrick Mahomes and the rest has been bad Bears history. Not to mention if you take a look at the QBs that have gone #1 overall the last 20 years, most have been a disappointment or at bare minimum have never lived up to the hype of being a #1 overall pick.@@TheJumboPackage
@@tccrypto8392 Totally get that. Very much a risk! I also totally understand being nervous about it too lol - I'm a Jets fan and they haven't developed a QB like ever so it's hard to believe that the QB will actually hit their ceiling if taken. However, I think either way they'll be good and there is a lot to look forward to for the Bears! The Trubisky pick definitely hurts though! haha
@@TheJumboPackage I’ve never been more torn as a Bear fan. While I don’t think we can go wrong either way, to Roll the dice and think JF will become elite bc we add MHJR, is a bit odd to me. He stinks the 4thQ. We lose so many close games. The agony…
I see more Josh Allen than I do Mahomes or Kyler. Caleb lowers his head and fights for yards similar to Josh Allen. Mahomes and Kyler both avoid contact as much as possible. He also has similar issues that Josh Allen had to overcome.
Would love to see a Jayden Daniels breakdown - maybe the biggest riser over the last season would like to see your take on how he'll translate to the NFL.
Glad you’re looking forward to it! I’ve watched the film I have of him, but it’s very early season tape and I want to see some of the later stuff. Need to wait for the all-22. Once I have it, I’ll be making a video!
Daniels has the best deep ball in the Draft (per Analytics) and has great field awareness and tremendous wheels. He is much further along than Lamar was when Lamar was drafted but as we see Lamar continue to shine as he has so far this year, it can only make the stock of Daniels rise as we approach Draft day.
@@dmvbay2535 agreed the tough part though, is how safely can u project Daniels to improve his game the way Lamar has in every aspect? It's what has made him great at the level NFL
@@0xSpiff That's always the most difficult part with any evaluation - as an outside observer we don't know much about these guys as human beings. We don't know their capacity to learn, their willingness to learn, and how quick they can pick up complex concepts and implement them. So many of the greats are guys who are motivated by the desire to keep getting better, so hopefully that will be him and every other QB in this draft!
The real question is who would you rather have: Williams or Justin Fields + a ton of extra picks. I’d rather keep fields and flip #1 overall for a ton of picks
At the moment, I’d rather have Caleb for the contract reset and the rookie window restarting. You have a few years to bring him along on a cheap deal and surround him with talent, whereas with Fields you need to pay him soon. I think Caleb also has a higher ceiling at the moment, given what we’ve seen from Fields. I don’t really hate either decision!
Reset the QB contract Bring in another rookie Watch him get wrecked because bears fans forget the rest of the squad is hot garbage See him keep and develop bad habits watch the window flow away because current talent ages Reset roster again, and need new QB because in 3-4 years you'll hate this one and cry about how much he sucks. Go back to the top and repeat cycle. The bears will ruin Caleb Williams
Just subscribed, I love this breakdown, I agree with you in the way people view him, I feel that most people online have a set opinion on him and judge him unfairly. I think he has very minor flaws but will be able to clean it up in the NFL, can’t wait to watch him!
Thanks so much for subscribing, I really appreciate it! I also agree - some people have hard set opinions for or against him without being able to just take a step back and look at his strengths and weaknesses as a whole.
That underhand pass was fucking Insane i never seen that😂 Love the way he steps into his throws, the release, playmaking, accuracy, goes through progressions Yeah welcome to Chicago Caleb💯
Yep, he has some excellent traits - his ability to play in structure, when he chooses to, is underrated imo - He just needs to be more consistent with it!
Excellent breakdown. I've been a Bears fan since Bill George, whose number I chose for my own in high school. The only player I've been more excited about is the incomparable Gayle Sayers. What I want to know was 13 Caleb's number of choice because of Dan Marino? Again, thank you for the outstanding and objective analysis.
Thank you, I really appreciate that!! Also, I’m not totally sure why Williams has #13. I read that he had #18 in Highschool and that he intends to give #13 to Keenan Allen in the NFL, so I’m not sure if it has any particular significant to him!
As a Bears fan, after seeing this and your Drake Maye video, I think the Bears need to grab Caleb Williams. If you're putting him in the same conversation as Mahomes and Allen, I'm definitely in for that. I don't think Fields would ever be as good as that, unfortunately. I think they need to trade him. Trading the 1st pick to keep Fields and try to build up the team more would be a bad idea in my opinion. In the current division situation, the Lions are good, and the Packers found something in Jordan Love which is also scary. The way I see it, the Bears don't stand a chance in winning the division unless they catch lightning in a bottle with Caleb Williams, which they very well may.
Caleb reminds me of Aaron Rodgers in terms of his game. Moves to throw, makes full field reads, throws into windows with different arm angles. My only issue with his game is I doubt he will be able to have some of the longer extended throws in the NFL the rush gets there in the NFL. Luckily though he doesn’t rely solely on extending the play. He can throw with timing and deliver from the pocket when he needs to.
But can he play in the cold? All of his home games in Chicago and at least one of his road games (Green Bay) will be in colder weather outdoors. You may discount this point as unimportant, but if you look at the statistics of warm weather college QBs playing in cold weather outdoor NFL cities, you will find a dramatic drop off in performance compared to other QBs that grew up in the cold like some Big Ten QBs. Consider this…
Interesting point! I'm not totally sure if he can tbh, mostly based on my lack of knowledge of the temperatures of the games he has played in. He has the arm strength to make difficult throws in the wind tho! He is from the DC area so its not like he's grown up his whole life in CA, but I get your overall point!
Thank you, I appreciate that! Its all-22 footage offered by some people on patreon. I'm not entirely sure how they get the footage tbh and I think that's why people don't very loosely throw around their names, but if you do a google search for a few minutes they'll come up haha
I have been pushing Jayden Daniels all year.... My problem is everyone has Caleb Williams so far ahead of him... I don't see it.. Both have won the Heisman Trophy Jayden had a better 2023 season AND SEC VS pac 12 .. Look at the 2023 stats Also 6'4 vs 6'1 in nfl that makes a difference
I'll have to see! I only have early season all-22 of Jayden Daniels right now and I'm waiting to get more before I come to a determination on his draft grade!
i'm a Bears fan, and my Bears have this years' #1 Draft pick... and i am so conflicted on what to think... do the Bears keep Justin Fields and keep developing him??? or, do the Bears draft Williams???? maybe the Bears should trade picks with Commanders, let them have Williams, and the Bears draft wideout Marvin Harrison Jr with the #2 pick to help Fields... i love the idea of Fields throwing to DJ Moore and Harrison Jr.... but what i don't want is to look back 5-6 years from now painfully regretting not drafting Williams... it is a pickle.... Bears management have a decision to make, and this is the kind of decision that can make a career or break a career... i'm glad i'm not in their shoes, because, honestly, i have no idea what i would do...
I definitely don’t see the Murray comp. I see Aaron Rodgers, maybe a little quicker, but the pocket presence and scramble seem more Rodgers like to me.
One of the major criticism of Fields is he holds the ball too long. Williams holds the ball too long in majority of his highlights and will not be doing all this scrambling around in the NFL.
Yea, i've seen that from Caleb, he just wants to get mostly the big yards and plays rather the safe quick yards, then he is holding the ball to long lol
so lets see 27+ mil signing bonus to take a chance on a rookie working out or extra picks and only 31 mil for 2 years of Fields so how does drafting a QB work out better for the Bears??
You’re misrepresenting how the cap works. The signing bonus is prorated across the course of the deal, so that $27million is prorated across the 4 years, adding up to 6.75mil per year. For an example, look at how Bryce Young’s contract is structured. Young’s total cap hit over 4 seasons is around 38-40 million total, with gradually increasing cap hits (same signing bonus every year + increasing base salary every season). The largest cap hit Bryce has is in the last year of his deal at 12mil and the cap hit in his first year is only 7mil. The same logic will apply to Caleb’s contract if taken #1 overall, but Caleb will be slightly more expensive. You’re correct that Fields’s cap hit in the next two years w/the two year option is around 31 mil, but that doesn’t include his next contract. So the options are Caleb for 4 years at 41 million total (with gradually increasing cap hits starting at around 8mil in first year and ending up around 13mil in his 4th year) or Fields for 2 years at 31mil total + whatever you have to give him to keep him past his 5th year option. Obviously the 41/4 is less per year than 31/2.
Nice assessment, makes me feel more confident if the Bears decide to move on from Fields. I feel like we saw more of this accuracy in Caleb's sophomore season, but then again I didn't watch every USC game. His play vs Notre Dame this year gave me concerns whereas in his sophomore season vs ND he looked like an all-pro. My only question is how serious Caleb is about not wanting to play for the Bears? We've seen what happens when a top QB prospect would rather play elsewhere and was willing to follow through.
@@TheJumboPackage He hasn't said it explicitly but he's liked tweets saying the Bears should keep Fields. And he reportedly wants part ownership of whatever team drafts him. There's also that rumor that he has a list of certain teams that he's willing to play for, the Raiders, Cowboys, Vikings, Giants or 49ers.
Gonna pile on from a Bears fans perspective. I really liked your breakdown and appreciate the work you put in. I’m a JF1 guy but I see the appeal. The pro comp feels like it’s spot on, I see CW as a boom or bust prospect. If he hits he’s gonna hit big and live up to the hype. But the bust potential is a huge concern. I don’t like the “generational talent” term being thrown around bcuz he doesn’t wow me like a Manning or Luck did. He needs to land in a perfect situation and I don’t think the Bears are that situation. I’ll cheer for whoever the Bears decide on if they stay in the 1 spot. And again I appreciate your analysis.
Thank you, I really appreciate your comments! But I also appreciate the nuance you approach the situation with. I think what gets lost on some of the commenters here is that they may spend a lot of time hating on Caleb and then he'll (possibly) be on the team in a year and they'll have have to live with it and support him. I think it's best to keep an open mind. I agree he definitely has some bust potential, but I think he has a higher floor than most people realize due to his ability to play in structure when he wants to / needs to. He just needs to reel himself in a bit. Thanks for watching!
I see a less athletic Justin Fields who throws with a tad bit more anticipation. My only concern is he’s doing all of this in college, not the pros. Didn’t Johnny Manzel do all this stuff too? Can he make nfl defenders miss and throw in tight windows against nfl secondary? Justin has his flaws but has proven he can make national headlines even when his team is terrible ex. 2022 Bears. Justin was a pocket guy in college, had nothing to work with on offense and became the NFL’s best running QB, I see that as adapting to your circumstances. Would Caleb had done that? I think Caleb is exciting but to move off Justin for him to me is stupid, especially when the team has so many other holes, like OC, Oline, WR, Dline, and to some extent RB & TE.
@@TheChristophert302 just watched it, i dont see any anticpatory throw there? are you talking about the deep ball? thats not an anticipatory pass. Thats just throwing an accurate deep route to a guy basically running a straight line, which he is good at. Im talking about anticipating the WR's break and throwing before they are out of their break. Justin never throws the ball until they are totally out of their break and looking at him. Good QBs have the ball halfway to the WR before they even look back at the QB sometimes.
Being a bears fan all I see is the Fields vs Williams debate every day. I love JF1, but financially and logistically it just doesn’t make sense to keep him. Drafting CW gets us a better QB on a cheaper contract and draft capital in return for Fields. It’s a passing league and he’s never even passed for over 2500 yards Edit: For those who complain that he holds the ball too long and will get sacked, he’s only responsible for 30% of his pressures/sacks while Fields is responsible for 80%
I'd love to see where you're getting that 80% figure from, because the sources I looked at all have him at in the mid 20's range, which, if you're not great at math, is lower than the 30% of Williams.
I'm not taking either side in the discussion, but I thought it'd be interesting to go back to see Fields's invited pressure rate from his last season in College and I figured I'd share. It was 28.6%, 1.4% less than Caleb Williams, but still would have been 1st in the Nation in 2023 (obviously context matters because they were on different teams against different opponents in different years). This year in the NFL, Fields has a 16.2% invited pressure rate, but the invited pressure rates in the NFL seem to be generally lower than in college due to various different things such as the difference in plays being run and obviously more years of development. In 2022, Fields had a 23.9%, so it seems to pan out that he's gotten better at inviting less pressure since he first came into the league! I don't think anyone can argue that both of them have the same issue of holding onto the ball too long.
@@TheJumboPackage I just saw that 80% figure and knew it was something he made up on the spot and not something that is based on any actual data points. Especially given that in far too many games, we've seen the data where he's under pressure in about 1.5 seconds (avg, sometimes it's damn near immediate from the middle because we really do need a Center). The only data I could find was from 2022 and it seemed each place uses different metrics a bit, so it was between that 23.9 and I think 25.2? something of that nature. Thanks for providing an actual number for this year as well.
@@mr.guillotine3766 Haha, definitely agree that center, and IOL, is quite a large need for the Bears this year! I'd definitely believe the 1.5s number with a lot of what I've seen from that OL. I think the different metrics are because multiple sites (PFF, Sumer Sports, Sports Info Solutions) all track it and some of them come out w/different numbers because they have different grading criteria. Not 100% sure about that, but that's my theory. It makes it frustrating when trying to use this data in the videos because it's hard to know which number to use and which is the most reliable. I've generally stuck with PFF (which is where I got the numbers above) because it's the only one I can afford at the given moment so it'll have to do 🤣. Thanks for bringing up the discussion and giving me the occasion to dive into the numbers a bit more (and of course, thanks for watching and commenting!).
There has never been a player of any sport that people have not criticized. Joker. Criticized. Ja Morant. Criticized. Lebron. Criticized. So really its just about whether u have the it factor. Williams is a gamer and natural born leader on the field. Student of the game and position. To me, barring severe injury, he will have a successful NFL career. Hands down
Great watch. Bears fan that agrees some stuff makes me want to pass on him and keep Justin, but I also have PTSD of bad QB play and don't want to pass on back-to-back potentially generational QBs. Justin will not be that. He can be good but never great. That comes from watching bears all-22 not just tv broadcast
I think that’s a very fair perspective. I think Justin Fields has a lot of growing to do and I don’t necessarily think it’s best for him or the Bears for him to stay there. As for Caleb, prospects will always have something worrying, but he has some incredible traits to look forward to and can do a lot with them if he gets good coaching!
Was Jim McMahon “generational”? No. Bears coaches suck. I’m not a Fields fanatic……I wonder how much more he can do with the right coaches. If it’s league “well above average”, then I would keep him, get Harrison and a center…..and with proven coaches, thats a powerful offense. Probably a top 5…..and defense will gain more talent as well. Potentially having a top 5 offense and defense. Thats a lot of power.
Would be so down to keep Justin if he wasn't on the verge of a contract year. Resetting the contract clock could prove crucial;. That leaves us without having to pay a QB for at least another 3-4 years. Justin gonna get a Daniel Jones deal for sure and I pray it isn't with the bears @@markkeller9378
@@markkeller9378 IMO- not done growing, takes time to develop the mental clock especially with the crap offensive lines of the past 2 seasons.... I'm good with keeping JF and trading #1 for a boatload of position picks to keep the build going... Center to QB exchanges have been awful, need a center and maybe a swing tackle...
I'd say a weakness I see is.... look at all his tape.... rewatch this video is you have to. You'll notice one thing in EVERY clip. Every. Single. Play.... Williams has done at usc has been out of the shotgun. I don't think I've seen a single Williams play he's NOT in a shotgun offense. I don't think there's a single NFL team that runs ALL it's plays out of the shotgun. So my concern is... can he even play a professional level-like offense? Does he have the footwork to drop back and pass? It's for these reasons I actually like Williams' conference rivals QBs better in Penix and Nix. They each put up just as gawdy of numbers in their tenure at their current school.... and Penix IMO seems the most definitively NFL ready while it's impossible to ignore Nix' 75 comp% over the past 2 seasons. No worries about his accuracy IMO. As a Bears fan I'm praying they trade Fields to some sucker of a team..... AND trade the #1 overall pick to get that team's 2nd round pick and 2 future first round picks... and possibly then some. Then with that new early 2nd round pick they can likely land Penix or Nix. If it's looking like those 2 will go in the late 1st round.... trade back up into the first round to grab them. If they do decide to keep the #1 pick.... I think I'd prefer Maye over Williams. I think they're about equal prospects but I'll give the nod to maye just for his size. Sports rer cfb has him listed at 6'5" 220 lbs. If he is his sports ref's height at his Wikipedia's weight - 230 lbs - I'll take that all day over a similarly touted prospect talent-wise but is.... 6'1"... maybe... could be 6' come combine day, and weighs 210-215 lbs. I feel like Maye could have an NFL comp of Justin Herbert as well, like this dude's Maye video. If comps turn out to be true..... I much prefer a Justin Herbert 2.0 than a Kyler Murray 2.0. Just saying. Haha
I actually mentioned this in the video. I don't think it's a massive issue, it's really more just something that adds an additional learning curve to his rookie season. He'll have to learn to play from under center and master the timing which I think may cause him to have some struggles early on that get fixed once he gets the hang of it.
I think that is fair to an extent. I think the main reason is height is mentioned is not because it automatically makes a player worse, it just makes their ceiling lower from the start because it places a limitation on their game. There are plenty of tall QBs who have sucked and plenty of short QBs who have succeeded and vice versa, so it definitely can't be used as a metric to define success on its own!
@@Kentuckybearsfan Cam Newton, Lamar, Randal Cunningham, Steve, McNair, Dante Culpepper, and most recently Caleb Williams, if you watch the tape can't read a defense either. Are you really this stupid? I own you.
Everyone needs to stop comparing Mahomes to any other QB in College or the NFL, there is no one that’s even close, Field’s was the 2nd best QB in college then fizzled out in the NFL, the same thing can happen with Caleb…..Just a stupid comparison
I see a more Aaron Rodgers than anything else. He does little stuff like Aaron. As a bears fan, I wish our fan base and would keep an open mind on our situation. We should be happy about this!
Definitely agreed about keeping an open mind - if you see my pinned comment I talk about how I feel like they're in a situation where they can almost do no wrong. Definitely agree that I see some Rodgers in his game as well. Thanks for watching!
Remember how everyone saying Bryce Young was THE quarterback in the 2023 draft. Not a single first overall pick QB has won a superbowl since Payton Manning. That was a very long time ago. A top QB could get you wins but its a total team that gets you championships. The bears should just trade the pick again for even a bigger haul to rebuild their team
I would definitely agree that it's not just the QB who wins the championship, but I would push back against you a little bit in that I think the QB has a lot to do with a team's ability to get in position to win a championship in the first place. Great point about #1 picks though! Very hard to evaluate how these guys will pan out (Look at Brock Purdy!). Thanks for watching!
@@TheJumboPackage yes. Everyone is saying that purdy is on a very good team and that is the reason why he us doing well. But jimmy goropollo and trey lance was on the same team too but they NEVER played as well as Purdy. Very hard to evaluate QBs. I thought CJ Stroud was gonna be a bust cause he had the worst QB IQ test. But he is awesome! All i know is that marvin harison jr is a freak generational talent. No one is saying that about caleb Williams.
@@lesontime this is true!! I forgot to mention a QB who was picked #1 overall AND won a championship with the team that picked him. We are assuming that if the Bears pick Caleb Williams and he wins a championship, that he is winning it as a Bear. I could see the Bears getting Caleb but they really need to fix the line. No QB is gonna do well behind that line. Plus they would miss out on MHJ then. And its a very good chance that he will be a top WR in the league. Imagine the reaction of the Bears fans if MHJ becomes the best WR in the league and hall of famer. Physically he is bigger than his dad. They also need a new offensive coordinator
Subbed, loved your assessment on him. I honestly believe he played hero ball so much because he had the worst defense in college and they couldn't stop anyone
Thank you, I really appreciate that! Very possible. I’m curious to see if he’ll take the Mahomes path and cool it with the hero ball stuff a bit more once he gets into the NFL!
Great and informative breakdown. As a Bears fan, I'd love to get your breakdown of Justin Fields, compared to Williams and Maye (especially if you've studied Fields in college). Based on your assessment of Williams and Maye, it sounds like they have a lot of similar issues that Fields had/has (footwork, not seeing open receivers sometimes, etc) - and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on if you believe either Williams or Maye show clear signs of being significantly better in the NFL than Fields.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that! Honestly, I wish I could provide that type of assessment, but I didn't scout Fields coming out of college so it would be difficult for me to give you a substantive answer without just making something up for the sake of giving an answer. From what I've seen from Fields in the NFL, I'd agree that it's a lot of the same issues w/these prospects + the fact that he still makes a lot of the same mistakes (e.g., missing open receivers, holding the ball too long, struggling to make it through his reads at times, inconsistent accuracy) after three seasons. He shows some incredible flashes of playmaking ability and accuracy so it's not impossible for him to be "the guy" for Chicago, but it's concerning that he hasn't been able to polish up his game in the 35 games he's played in the NFL. I was a pretty big believer in Fields after year one, so I still see the same upside in him - it's really more the fact that he's going into year 4 and making some of the same mistakes that concerns me about his future. Let me know if you agree or disagree!
While I really like Fields, his ability to make anticipatory throws is far worse than Williams. Also, William's ablility to feel pressure in the pocket and respond is significantly better than Fields. Also, while Fields makes some really athletic moves to extend plays, William's comfort and movement in the pocket is much more natural, and buys time more consistnetly. That, and the fact that William's release is SO much faster than Fields make this comparison really difficult for Fields to match up. Realize that Field's best year, he had 41 touchdowns, but still only threw for 3200 yards (233 per game). That is a crazy amount of TD's for yards that low. Williams had 4600 yards last yr when he played 14 games, and 3600 with 12 games this year. Fields is never going to average much over 200 yards in the NFL. It is not realistic that his stats will get better than they were in college. Williams averaged over 325 last yr, and 302 this year.
Alright, who's here after the Bears got beat by the Packers? Love Fields, but I have a feeling the FO is drafting a QB at 1 this year. I might as well enjoy the ride.
He misses a lot more reads than you think. Youve automatically assumed theyre turned down... thats not necessarily the case. The other factor, and its one crippling Bryce Young, is that your pockets have much less space in the NFL. Meaning defenders will close off a lot of those last second launches to the middle.
Nice breakdown of Caleb and Mayes in your other video. Bears sitting at #1 pick so far. Justin has the same positives of these quarterbacks, but also all of the negatives. The problem with Justin is he is going into the 4th year and still retains the negatives---holding ball too long, lack of anticipation, turnover, seeing open receivers, suspect mechanics, lack of awareness in the pocket; whether due to poor coaching (that is obvious) , lack of weapons and protection, or just plainly does not have it.
Thank you, I really appreciate that! I'd agree that Fields and Caleb especially share some of the same big weaknesses. The point you made about Fields too is kind of why I lean towards going w/Caleb, as I mentioned in my pinned comments... because he seems to not be able to consistently overcome his weaknesses and there hasn't been that much of a change since year 1 after over 35 starts. But I still see the upside with him!
I see Justin's glass 1/2 full and not 1/2 empty. Even though he has had a lot of negatives, I see definite improvement with him this year. He has not regressed like other QBs (Mac Jones, Sam Howell) but is actually making strides. He has a lot of untapped potential and I just think proper coaching could eliminate many of the bad habits he has. He many never be as polished as fans want him to but if they can accept his flaws like Buffalo fans accept Josh Allen's faults, everything should be okay. I mean, after all, Chicago has won 4 out of the last 5 games so we should always look at these little but significant things.
Why is it Justin makes insane anticipatory throws to DJ but not others? ROUTE RUNNING CRISPNESS by receivers. Other than DJ the routes by Bears rec are not crisp. Now kmet has dramatically improved on this during the last 1/2 of this year.
I think what makes Williams short coming more of a big deal than just nitpicks is many of those short comings have to be trained out and fixed as early as possible by good NFL coaching which I doubt he will find being a top 3 pick and if he has any lack of passion for football he may not be driven enough to reinvent himself for NFL style football. He's clearly very athletic and could be a very dangerous QB but I think if he doesnt have good coaches around him (which is most likely going to be the case) he will be the next Justin Fields or especially Zach Wilson who was very athletic and talented in college but didnt transition to the pros very well and his confidence has never recovered and he plays like he's terrified and over thinks everything. Also seeing how good CJ Stroud has been this year shows that throwing with anticipation is the most important QB skill at the NFL level. Williams really only throws to wide open dudes which will almost never happen in the pros, so he is gonna turn into Justin Fields 2.0 holding on to the ball for too long getting sacked waiting for guys to be wide open. Whereas CJ Stroud releases the ball before guys have even made their cut. That is the only way to survive as a rookie QB in totals NFL and with how much Williams plays a run and gun style I think he will struggle to change his playing style to be able to throw with anticipation more often than not instead of running a scramble drill offense.
Very possible! That's the unfortunate balance that needs to be struck to create a successful QB: good coaching combined with a coachable player who is willing to learn. Harder to find than it seems because of all the tiny factors that go into it (personalities, learning styles, surrounding situation, etc). I think you have some legitimate concerns, but I have a bit more faith than you do that his problems will be fixed in the NFL. But we both agree they need to be fixed!
I mean I don’t watch a lot of college football, just watch his clips basically, but when they said this guy is one in a generation, I was like he scrambles way too much sometimes even runs 20 yards back like he’s playing Madden.
Honestly the Bears should have BOTH HIM and Fields in the team 2023 taught us one thing You need a quality backup qb and Caleb will be goid for him to sit and wait for his chance
Great analysis. If I’m the bears I personally think this kid is way too much of a risk. Especially with a generational wideout there If I’m the bears I’m moving off the pick to go to number 2 if someone really really wants Caleb. Give me the assets. I’ll take the sure thing and you can take the risk. From there if I’m the bears I’d rather draft a QB later or just give fields another year vs draft Caleb at one and give up mhj and all the extra asset. Also way too many character risks with this kid too. If you get an extra first for this kid you’ll probably be drafting again next year in the top 5 because Caleb is gonna turn the ball over a lot, especially on a bad team like the patriots cardinals etc.
I agree. 40 years a Bears fan here. Fields is the guy. Those who are saying Williams is a “generational” talent is hyperbole to me. I see a lot of flaws that are glossed over. This kid is gonna struggle in the NFL for a while. How’s he gonna respond. Maybe he’ll be ok or maybe not. But he’s no slam dunk. No way. I think he’s 50% bust. I think Penix or Daniels or Maye might be better pros.
@@joelsteinbrecher7917 I say to this a lot of people. I’m very confident that at least one of these quarterbacks will be better than Justin fields in a years. The issue is we don’t know exactly who they 1 or perhaps 2 guys are. But regardless… I know the bears overall will be better if they don’t try and guess who that guy might be and just take the assets and build around the guy … because the only things you know for sure 1. Justin is getting better 2. Justin is well liked and has good character 3. Keeping Justin gets you a better overall team. 4. MHJ is gonna be one of the best WRs in the league in 2-3 years- I’m that sure. Honestly if ask me I think the Daniels kid may be end up being the best one in 3 years. I’m not always high on the mobile QB stuff. But the kid has a compact Release. He’s electric fast but doesn’t run recklessly. And he can make most throws albeit it not from crazy platforms like Caleb. So imo don’t shoot for the stars on this one. I have major concerns about Caleb’s character In 3 years I truly believe people are gonna say… Jayden Daniel’s was just as electric electric as fields but way more accurate as a passer. But it’s hard to make that move when you have so many assets on the line.
His size kinda concerns me. He’s listed at 6’1” so I’d bet he’s more like 6’0”. But I read somewhere his hands are on the smaller side. And the 32 fumbles in 36 games is very concerning me. I love Fields and if this guy is “can’t miss,” I’m good with it. But, like most Bears fans on thus thread, I’m torn. Every day I change my mind. Today, I want to keep Fields.
It's a tough decision and I think a lot can go wrong and a lot can go right with either choice unfortunately. I think your concerns about his height and fumbles are very fair! Ultimately we'll never know until he gets to the NFL!
I really like Fields but he isn't as decisive as Williams seems to be. Fields also has a slow dropback, he takes longer to throw due to his high, slow release angle, & ultimately I would trust Williams out of the pocket more than Fields. When it comes playoff time, you face the best defenses & they will scheme running QBs to the pocket. Thats why I believe rushing should always be secondary but a QB like Fields definitely relies too much on it. If I'm the Bears, i already know what i have in Fields & so even if Williams busts, i didn't think Fields would win it all anyway. I'm trading Justin for at least a 2nd round pick, drafting Williams at #1, & then with pick 8-11, I'm taking one of those top 3 WRs assuming one is left to pair w/ Moore & Kmet thus giving Williams a solid group to come into as a rookie on top of an already improving OLine & one of the best defenses in the league in terms of stopping the run & getting takeaways. This would be the best team the Bears can offer a rookie QB. Trubisky & Fields never had this type of supporting cast when they came into the league
Go to exactly 4:20 sec of the video and pause the video. Zoom in on the pocket Clean. Look at Caleb's eyes are down the field. There is a receiver in the back of the e zone. He been open. Now play the rest. He's not perfect, and I'm a USC fan. He misses wide open receivers often. He is great. But we will see on the next level
I think he’ll probably be good but the Mahomes comparisons are laughable. Mahomes is absurdly talented who landed in a great situation who also reached his potential. Caleb is less talented, going to a worse situation, and likely won’t reach his potential (just statistical fact).
I don’t think they are totally unfair. Of course Mahomes is great and Wiliams is an unknown in the NFL but when a QB has a lot of physical similarities and plays comparably to a great QB just like Mahomes O think the comparison is fair. Just shouldn’t be misunderstood as playing on the same level
@@lnnrt0161 they’re unfair to Caleb for starters. Most people think if Caleb is “like Mahomes” there’s a realistic upside chance he could be Mahomes, since they have some physical similarities and some play style similarities. I don’t think that’s realistic.
@@wilkic2 I think it’s fair to say that Caleb has some “Mahomes-like” traits or that parts of his games look similar to how Mahomes plays the game, but I agree that no one should be comped to Mahomes, which is why I didn’t make the comp in this video. Mahomes has such a unique blend of skills which make him one of the greatest QBs of all time already!
As a Bears fan, I just don't see him as some must take upgrade over Fields, especially since his issues, are largely the same ones Fields has at times, and the reasons given, are a lot of same ones Fields has on top of it...plus, some really horrible coaching from the OC who refuses to gameplan to his abilities most of the time. What most of those calling for them to draft Caleb never seem to mention, is do they think Getsy should stay? Because if Fields isn't the type of QB for Getsy, then neither is Williams, they're too similar and on top of having to adjust to playing under center more often, he'd likely have to deal with Getsy refusing to call plays that fit his ability, further handicapping...really don't want to see Getsy ruin another young mans career.....And if they get rid of Getsy, then, well other than the issue of having Fields in yet another new system with another new OC, you can negate a lot of that by actually choosing an OC who wants to run a system that would actually benefit Fields and the talent around him. The line is still suspect, but improving. Either way, good breakdown. I just don't see him as an upgrade over Fields, especially with other issues on the Bears team. If I'm the Bears GM, I'm sticking with Fields through his rookie contract, bringing in an OC who actually wants to work with him, drafting MHJ to add a second legit WR (right now he basically has Moore at WR and Kmet at TE as the only really reliable targets), getting an upgrade at Left tackle (I like Braxton Jones, and he has a lot of potential, but he's not elite at this stage and it's an important position worthy of an upgrade to let them settle it in training camp, either way, you end up with more depth at the position) and in the 3rd or 4th, add a Center because, my god, that is a huge weakness. They could also use more depth and upgrades at the guard position...while they can and will add some of that depth in free agency, the best bet to get players of the future long term, is going to be the draft, and if they have the 1st overall pick, the thing that makes the most sense to me, is to trade down, even if only one spot, to get additional picks and still get MHJ (though there seems to be several really good options at WR in this draft who would be great additions alongside Moore). Hell, with this strategy, it's likely the Bears would end up with three 1st round picks in the 2025 draft. If Fields falls to pieces or hasn't shown he can be the guy at the end of his rookie contract even with a better OC who is playing to his abilities, then well, you have plenty of draft capital to move up from wherever they would end up drafting to go get one of the top QB's in the 2025 draft. Drafting a QB is always a gamble, and with the defense improving much faster than the offense (largely due to coaching in my opinion), you don't want to waste 2 or 3 years of a competitive defense on a new QB who may, or may not, show you any real ability at the NFL level. No matter who is QB of the Bears though, I think it's clear Getsy can't be the OC, especially for Williams who has so many of the same pros and cons of Fields. It would be insanity. (Sadly, I've seen more than one Bears fan insist that we can't properly evaluate Getsy as an OC because of Fields...which, is backwards thinking, good coaches will adjust to the players on their roster, not insist on calling plays for the guys he wishes he had on his roster...he fails to do that, and that's the evaluation in and of itself) Just my 2 cents (and then some) appreciate the breakdown.
First, thank you for watching and for commenting your thoughts, I appreciate it! I'd agree that Caleb definitely has some of the same issues as Fields did coming out of college. I think that the benefit in taking Caleb would be to reset the rookie window, because they're going to need to make a decision on Fields's 5th year option next season and then decide whether they want to pay him. But to your point, it's kind of a balancing act of what they'd rather have: (a) Caleb Williams + resetting the rookie contract window + whatever they get from trading fields; or (b) Fields + Whatever they get from trading #1 + whatever they lose from trading back into 3 to get MHJ. It's definitely a tough debate, because you stand to gain more from a team building perspective with the resources you get from trading #1, but you're also still a bit in limbo w/a QB who has struggled to improve some of the same problems he's shown since day 1. But of course, just to equivocate some more, its very possible they'll draft Caleb and have the exact same issue down the road with way less resources. I don't envy their position, but at the same time I do because I almost think they can do no wrong as long as they get either Caleb or Marvin Harrison Jr. As for Getsy, I'd agree he definitely started out the year struggling to scheme around Fields's strengths. He's gotten a bit better, but still not great or even good at playing to Fields's strengths. I'd love to see Fields with someone like a Shane Steichen who has worked in a lot of different schemes w/different QB types (Worked w/Norv Turner & Rivers in SD, then Turner & Weeden in CLE, went back to LAC to work w/Justin Herbert underneath different OCs, then completely changed up by working w/Hurts & Richardson in Philly & Indy). Getsy spent a lot of time in Green Bay working with Rodgers, McCarthy, and Lafleur so he's had a little bit of exposure to different things, but no one like Fields and I think if he were to get better at it, it's definitely going to take time so I'm not sure if they want to afford him the time to do that w/Caleb or move in another direction. I know that was kind of rambling, but I wanted to address some of the main points of your comment. Let me know what you think!
@@TheJumboPackage I don't disagree with you, but to me, resetting the contract isn't a huge deal given the cap space the Bears have to work with. If they were still under the previous regime, it would be urgent, but Poles has done an excellent job of creating cap space and stocking up on resources (draft picks) to allow a lot more flexibility. Picking up his option will cost them a little over 23 mil I do believe, but it would give him two full seasons under any new OC who might be brought in (and I love your suggestion and think he would be a great selection. They need a proven OC primarily so they know he would be willing and able to do what Getsy has not, which is call plays to the players ability, not just Fields, but also that O-line, which is improving but still isn't good enough for what Getsy really wants to do) I'll understand if the Bears do move on from Fields, but it will also just be yet another QB the Bears of failed to develop and potentially ruined their career, though I think if he were to move on to a team like Atlanta, with some of the weapons they have there already, a lot of Bears fans might be regretting that move midway through next season. The coaching has been the biggest factor...and to me, the biggest indictment of Getsy is that we saw what Fields did last season, when he did finally learn to call plays to fit the talent on the offense (which was basically just Fields, the running game, and sometimes Kmet and Mooney, the line was just horrible, though Braxton Jones improved as the year progressed)...Fields kept the Bears competitive in almost every game. They lost 7 games by one score or less, but the defense was bottom of the league as well then. This season, many of us expected him to build off of that, expand it, incorporate some of his own system of pocket passing now that the line was improved but primarily building off of what worked and should work even better now that Fields has an additional WR, who is a legit no.1 option...instead, it was a stubborn insistence on forcing him to stay in the pocket. It does not work for Fields for a few reasons, some of which are (IMO) there was no real trust in the line yet at the start of the season. They hadn't proven they were improved yet, mainly because they weren't, not all around, in large part due to the fact that we started off with two starters being injured or unavailable anyway, I don't think our starting line played a game together until after Fields was injured this season. Getsy struggles in play calling beyond the initial script of 15 or so plays. He's predictable, makes it easier for teams to simply know what play is coming, unless he's allowed for Fields to move the pocket and sort of do a bit of practiced improv...Fields was already improving on keeping his eyes downfield when he scrambled last season, the problem then, was that there wasn't really anyone getting open, but we still saw some magic happen because he didn't just take off and run, he was moving with his eyes downfield just in case someone did, and a few times they managed to do it. (though, usually he had to tuck it and run, but he was looking on many of those). Going into this season, with a legit no.1 WR, Kmet, Mooney (who sadly has really fallen off and seems to have checked out...reminding me of the last year of Allen Robinson far too often), it should have meant just huge improvements on similar plans as last season...it never really materialized. We did see Fields showing his passer ability in back to back games before his injury though, (when the line was mostly healthy, I think maybe we were only missing one of our starters by that point? or my timeline could be off, but the line was holding up better either way). I think that's his true capacity and to me, that's more than a "flash"...I feel like it's not always Fields who is inconsistent, but the play calling. Either way, Poles will make the decision. I just don't see that "instant upgrade" in any QB in this draft class that some Bears fans seem to see. I do see some big red flags around a few of the guys, and not just reported ones that nobody is backing up, but ones we've been able to see with our own eyes (that rumor of Fields not having a work ethic, not being a leader, before his draft, certainly didn't turn out to be true...which is another concern I'd have in trading him. He is a leader in that locker room. The guys are questioning why this is even a discussion and getting a bit irritated with the media asking about JF1, with Moore saying that he doesn't think the QB's in this class are better than Fields, Jaylon Johnson talking about how Fields is their guy and a leader they all look to, etc)...and we've certainly seen players sort of tap dance around questions about the QB if there is any doubt in the locker room...(sort of how Eberflus danced around a question about Getsy recently..when directly asked about the offense, he replied with how "Luke is a great guy" type of response) I'd hate to see the Bears blow up the improving chemistry by moving on from a guy they all believe in, and going with someone who will have to prove themselves from scratch, and who may already have some obstacles and preconceived notions that may take longer to overcome, if ever. Poles will decide though at some point. I understand your points, I don't disagree with them, I don't know that I feel it's as big of a positive to reset that rookie QB contract though. Too many holes still exist so the extra picks from trading down from 1st are a pretty big deal. We'd have three 1st rounders next draft with some interesting/talented QB's coming out then as well...But, it's all a gamble. Seems like a lot of QB's taken 1st overall never live up to their expectations. I'd rather keep building, knowing that if we have to move on from him, we have the cap space, the draft capital, and by then, a solid team, to go ahead and do that in 2025 or 2026, but I'll understand if Poles sees it differently. (I think I rambled more than you did, it's sort of my style lol)
@@mr.guillotine3766 Haha, I ramble a lot too so no worries. I thought your comment was really interesting and had a lot of interesting points! Specifically the one about Fields struggling in the beginning of the season due to lack of trust in the OL. I think that's such an interesting point that I hadn't really thought about because he had been bludgeoned by their OL the prior year, so he needed time for them to prove that they were actually going to holdup before he was willing to sit in the pocket and beat teams solely through the air. I also agree it doesn't make sense to limit his game in that way because beating teams w/his legs also makes it easier to win through the air because the threat of the run is there. It's also interesting to note that since their defense has improved in the last few weeks, the team has looked much better as a whole so Fields has much more help and has looked much improved. In terms of resetting the rookie window, for the Bears, it's not so much contract oriented, as it's time oriented (i.e., they have more time to continue building the team before they need to shell out money for a QB), but I definitely see you're point that they have a lot of cap space and their cap is not much of a concern. I also agree that Fields will be awesome in Atlanta if they wind up keeping Arthur Smith and totally get your worries about failing to develop another QB (I'm a Jets fan, so I don't even need to explain why I understand it haha).
He was pedestrian vs Oregon. Same vs Washington where he cried with his mom. He lost a lot at SC despite being stacked offensively. His mental makeup bothered me.
NFL Mahomes is much better than NCAA Mahomes - Mahomes, as we know him is the result of his previous talents and having, primarily, Alex Smith as a mentor and secondarily, one of the greatest offensive minds in Andy Reid. Mahomes is unique - Caleb's path will be different but I look forward to following him in the NFL
Definitely agree about that! Hopefully he has a good surrounding situation because I could see him being a perennial all-pro in that scenario. A lot of QB success and development appears to come down to the situation they start and grow in, so I'm hoping the Bears are able to make it work for him!
This guy will either be a top 7 QB after a year or 2 or he will be a God awful starter. I don't really see much of a middle ground for players like this. I'll keep watching videos until I form my own opinion but will also be important for me to hear an interview of him. I thought Trevor Lawrence was a little to late on throws in college and his extra hitch would burn him in the NFL and so far I feel good about my evaluation of him. I thought CJ stroud would be special and I thought Bryce was to small to be a good QB. I'm just not a big fan of smaller QBs because u rarely see them have consistent success
It's the pocket presence. Caleb's got it. He knows how to navigate within the pocket and go thru his progressions. He keeps his head up and eyes scanning. Drake Maye and even Justin Fields don't have the same pocket presence. Fields just ducks and bails out with the slightest pressure. That's the difference.
I'd tend to agree with much of what you wrote here. Caleb's pocket presence is high-level, if not elite, and he does a really excellent job working through his reads - probably one of the best QBs I've watched in that area!
I've noticed A LOT of Bears fans in the comments with many different opinions, which is awesome! Really glad to see so many new people get involved in the community and discuss something they're passionate about. Healthy, respectful debate is always encouraged around here and I'm working to get involved in each discussion in the comments section to give my thoughts! I wanted to share my brief thoughts on the debate. I genuinely think the Bears could do no wrong at their current stage as long as they get either Caleb Williams or Marvin Harrison Jr. At that point, it really becomes a balancing act of what you prefer: (a) Caleb Williams + resetting the rookie contract window + whatever resources they get from trading fields; or (b) Keeping and paying Fields + whatever resources they get from trading #1 + whatever they lose from trading back into 3 to get MHJ (if they need to/want to). Both are great options, but what do I prefer?
At this stage, I lean towards option (a). By taking Caleb, you reset the rookie window, allowing a bit more time to continue to build up the team around him without having to spend extra money on Fields. Although I have been vocal in real life supporting Fields in the past, I don't think I've made it clear on my channel so far that I believed heavily in Fields after year 1. However, I recognize that he has continued to struggle with some of the same weaknesses that he came into the NFL with. At times he shows flashes of being an unbelievable player, but he has yet to put it together consistently for someone who has played 35 games and it's risky attempting to hold out hope that he'll be able to do it in year 4 right before you have to decide on his 5th year option and then pay him long term. Also, this is a fantastic (and very deep) WR class, so taking Caleb doesn't eliminate the choice to get another great WR. Especially since the class is not super deep in some of the areas that the Bears need most (#2 CB, #2 Edge Rusher, IOL). I think the Bears are better off restarting the learning curve with a new QB, with a ton of upside, and grabbing 1 or 2 WRs from this really deep class and supplementing the depth of other positions in free agency and later in the draft.
This is not to say that option (b) isn't also great, it's just my preference. MHJr and DJ Moore would be a nasty WR core for Fields and would significantly increase his margin for error. His rushing ability, plus Khalil Herbert and Roschon Johnson (a RB tandem I really like), will put LBs in flux and allow MHJr and DJ Moore to win over the top and in the intermediate areas of the field (if Fields can progress to the point where he's finding and hitting those throws in between the LBs and Safeties). Obviously, the extra resources from trading #1 would set them up down the line to add guys in future draft classes that are better stocked at positions the Bears need.
Anyways, my main point is that I think the Bears are in a great spot and I'm excited to see what happens! I hope you guys appreciate the nuanced take and my relative preference of one over the other, rather than just choosing one thing and refusing to acknowledge the potential of both options. I'd love to hear if you guys agree, disagree, don't really have an opinion, or think I'm missing something. Also, I'm very fine with people insulting me or making valid criticisms- there are quite a few on this video and I appreciate all who brought great perspectives on some of the video's flaws. However, to some of the others, if you're going to disagree or insult the video/me, atleast watch the whole video / read this whole paragraph first so we can have a substantive discussion 😉(I kid, everyone is entitled to post what they want - that's what the internet is for!). Thanks for watching, sharing your thoughts, and supporting the channel!
What worries me about Caleb as a Bears fan is that many of his flaws are the same thing people say about Justin Fields and he didn't look very good against some of the top defenses that he went up against such as ND and Oregon.
@@tccrypto8392 I would agree that he has some very similar flaws, but I'd counter that, by resetting the rookie window, you're now taking a guy who has those flaws and more time to improve them over a guy who has those flaws and has struggled to make consistent improvement on them if that makes sense. My counter is really more for the sake of discussion though as, like I said, I think sticking with Fields could be a very good option for them too!
I would agree that it makes financial sense to reset the QB clock. However, I get a bit nervous as a Bears fan as the last draft they did have the opportunity to take the 1st QB in the draft they traded up for Trubisky in a draft that had Patrick Mahomes and the rest has been bad Bears history. Not to mention if you take a look at the QBs that have gone #1 overall the last 20 years, most have been a disappointment or at bare minimum have never lived up to the hype of being a #1 overall pick.@@TheJumboPackage
@@tccrypto8392 Totally get that. Very much a risk! I also totally understand being nervous about it too lol - I'm a Jets fan and they haven't developed a QB like ever so it's hard to believe that the QB will actually hit their ceiling if taken. However, I think either way they'll be good and there is a lot to look forward to for the Bears! The Trubisky pick definitely hurts though! haha
@@TheJumboPackage I’ve never been more torn as a Bear fan. While I don’t think we can go wrong either way, to
Roll the dice and think JF will become elite bc we add MHJR, is a bit odd to me. He stinks the 4thQ. We lose so many close games. The agony…
I see more Josh Allen than I do Mahomes or Kyler. Caleb lowers his head and fights for yards similar to Josh Allen. Mahomes and Kyler both avoid contact as much as possible. He also has similar issues that Josh Allen had to overcome.
Hey, great eval! I'm a Chicago Bears fan (suffering through the years.😤) Starting my homework now and love your observations. Keep 'em coming!
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that!
Would love to see a Jayden Daniels breakdown - maybe the biggest riser over the last season would like to see your take on how he'll translate to the NFL.
Glad you’re looking forward to it! I’ve watched the film I have of him, but it’s very early season tape and I want to see some of the later stuff. Need to wait for the all-22. Once I have it, I’ll be making a video!
Daniels has the best deep ball in the Draft (per Analytics) and has great field awareness and tremendous wheels. He is much further along than Lamar was when Lamar was drafted but as we see Lamar continue to shine as he has so far this year, it can only make the stock of Daniels rise as we approach Draft day.
@@dmvbay2535 agreed the tough part though, is how safely can u project Daniels to improve his game the way Lamar has in every aspect? It's what has made him great at the level NFL
@@0xSpiff That's always the most difficult part with any evaluation - as an outside observer we don't know much about these guys as human beings. We don't know their capacity to learn, their willingness to learn, and how quick they can pick up complex concepts and implement them. So many of the greats are guys who are motivated by the desire to keep getting better, so hopefully that will be him and every other QB in this draft!
Jayden Daniels video is out now- Would love to hear your thoughts!
BEST ANAYLIS OF CW!! THANK YOU!
Thank you!
The real question is who would you rather have: Williams or Justin Fields + a ton of extra picks. I’d rather keep fields and flip #1 overall for a ton of picks
caleb and a 2nd and 4th or something like that that you get for fields.
At the moment, I’d rather have Caleb for the contract reset and the rookie window restarting. You have a few years to bring him along on a cheap deal and surround him with talent, whereas with Fields you need to pay him soon. I think Caleb also has a higher ceiling at the moment, given what we’ve seen from Fields. I don’t really hate either decision!
I rather have Caleb
Would you rather have a potential great QB or a shitty one and some extra draft picks?
Reset the QB contract
Bring in another rookie
Watch him get wrecked because bears fans forget the rest of the squad is hot garbage
See him keep and develop bad habits
watch the window flow away because current talent ages
Reset roster again, and need new QB because in 3-4 years you'll hate this one and cry about how much he sucks.
Go back to the top and repeat cycle.
The bears will ruin Caleb Williams
I certainly don’t see generational talent. Looks like a solid NFL starter but not a guy who is the reason his team is always vying for playoff success
Well this video made me ask myself, “would I rather have Kyler Murray or Justin Fields?” 🤔 I think Fields…
Just subscribed, I love this breakdown, I agree with you in the way people view him, I feel that most people online have a set opinion on him and judge him unfairly. I think he has very minor flaws but will be able to clean it up in the NFL, can’t wait to watch him!
Thanks so much for subscribing, I really appreciate it! I also agree - some people have hard set opinions for or against him without being able to just take a step back and look at his strengths and weaknesses as a whole.
The game he didn’t play was incredible,his back up was amazing, but it can’t be the system?
That underhand pass was fucking Insane i never seen that😂
Love the way he steps into his throws, the release, playmaking, accuracy, goes through progressions
Yeah welcome to Chicago Caleb💯
He literally has rodgers type pocket manipulation
Yep, he has some excellent traits - his ability to play in structure, when he chooses to, is underrated imo - He just needs to be more consistent with it!
Excellent breakdown. I've been a Bears fan since Bill George, whose number I chose for my own in high school. The only player I've been more excited about is the incomparable Gayle Sayers. What I want to know was 13 Caleb's number of choice because of Dan Marino? Again, thank you for the outstanding and objective analysis.
Thank you, I really appreciate that!! Also, I’m not totally sure why Williams has #13. I read that he had #18 in Highschool and that he intends to give #13 to Keenan Allen in the NFL, so I’m not sure if it has any particular significant to him!
As a Bears fan, after seeing this and your Drake Maye video, I think the Bears need to grab Caleb Williams. If you're putting him in the same conversation as Mahomes and Allen, I'm definitely in for that. I don't think Fields would ever be as good as that, unfortunately. I think they need to trade him. Trading the 1st pick to keep Fields and try to build up the team more would be a bad idea in my opinion. In the current division situation, the Lions are good, and the Packers found something in Jordan Love which is also scary. The way I see it, the Bears don't stand a chance in winning the division unless they catch lightning in a bottle with Caleb Williams, which they very well may.
I tend to agree! Thanks for watching!
Wonderful!!! Can you do one on Jayden Daniels, Michael Pennix Jr., and Bo Nix!?
Definitely will - Working on it as we speak!
I’m sure he’s a great prospect and baller. It all depends who drafts him. Good luck Caleb
Caleb reminds me of Aaron Rodgers in terms of his game. Moves to throw, makes full field reads, throws into windows with different arm angles. My only issue with his game is I doubt he will be able to have some of the longer extended throws in the NFL the rush gets there in the NFL. Luckily though he doesn’t rely solely on extending the play. He can throw with timing and deliver from the pocket when he needs to.
I could definitely see a bit of Rodgers in there!
But can he play in the cold? All of his home games in Chicago and at least one of his road games (Green Bay) will be in colder weather outdoors. You may discount this point as unimportant, but if you look at the statistics of warm weather college QBs playing in cold weather outdoor NFL cities, you will find a dramatic drop off in performance compared to other QBs that grew up in the cold like some Big Ten QBs. Consider this…
Interesting point! I'm not totally sure if he can tbh, mostly based on my lack of knowledge of the temperatures of the games he has played in. He has the arm strength to make difficult throws in the wind tho! He is from the DC area so its not like he's grown up his whole life in CA, but I get your overall point!
Curious as to where you get your game footage from, since it doesn’t appear to be televised footage. Great vid btw!
Thank you, I appreciate that! Its all-22 footage offered by some people on patreon. I'm not entirely sure how they get the footage tbh and I think that's why people don't very loosely throw around their names, but if you do a google search for a few minutes they'll come up haha
Great video bro. I’m sending this to the Falcons
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Great video man I love it
Thank you- means a lot!
Phenomenal report, thank you!!!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
I have been pushing Jayden Daniels all year.... My problem is everyone has Caleb Williams so far ahead of him... I don't see it.. Both have won the Heisman Trophy Jayden had a better 2023 season AND SEC VS pac 12 .. Look at the 2023 stats Also 6'4 vs 6'1 in nfl that makes a difference
I'll have to see! I only have early season all-22 of Jayden Daniels right now and I'm waiting to get more before I come to a determination on his draft grade!
Jayden Daniels video is out now- would love to hear your thoughts!
i'm a Bears fan, and my Bears have this years' #1 Draft pick... and i am so conflicted on what to think... do the Bears keep Justin Fields and keep developing him??? or, do the Bears draft Williams???? maybe the Bears should trade picks with Commanders, let them have Williams, and the Bears draft wideout Marvin Harrison Jr with the #2 pick to help Fields... i love the idea of Fields throwing to DJ Moore and Harrison Jr.... but what i don't want is to look back 5-6 years from now painfully regretting not drafting Williams... it is a pickle.... Bears management have a decision to make, and this is the kind of decision that can make a career or break a career... i'm glad i'm not in their shoes, because, honestly, i have no idea what i would do...
I definitely don’t see the Murray comp. I see Aaron Rodgers, maybe a little quicker, but the pocket presence and scramble seem more Rodgers like to me.
Fair enough! I can see a lot of Rodgers in his game as well!
His problems begin when you look at the area above his shoulders.
One of the major criticism of Fields is he holds the ball too long. Williams holds the ball too long in majority of his highlights and will not be doing all this scrambling around in the NFL.
Another lost soul lol
Yea, i've seen that from Caleb, he just wants to get mostly the big yards and plays rather the safe quick yards, then he is holding the ball to long lol
Very similar to manziel
@@messi4brownlow bro youre kidding right
Excellent thorough evaluation, well done.
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
so lets see 27+ mil signing bonus to take a chance on a rookie working out or extra picks and only 31 mil for 2 years of Fields so how does drafting a QB work out better for the Bears??
You’re misrepresenting how the cap works. The signing bonus is prorated across the course of the deal, so that $27million is prorated across the 4 years, adding up to 6.75mil per year. For an example, look at how Bryce Young’s contract is structured. Young’s total cap hit over 4 seasons is around 38-40 million total, with gradually increasing cap hits (same signing bonus every year + increasing base salary every season). The largest cap hit Bryce has is in the last year of his deal at 12mil and the cap hit in his first year is only 7mil. The same logic will apply to Caleb’s contract if taken #1 overall, but Caleb will be slightly more expensive. You’re correct that Fields’s cap hit in the next two years w/the two year option is around 31 mil, but that doesn’t include his next contract. So the options are Caleb for 4 years at 41 million total (with gradually increasing cap hits starting at around 8mil in first year and ending up around 13mil in his 4th year) or Fields for 2 years at 31mil total + whatever you have to give him to keep him past his 5th year option. Obviously the 41/4 is less per year than 31/2.
How is he a generational talent when hes coming out only 7 years after the guy everyone wants to compare him to ?
Nice assessment, makes me feel more confident if the Bears decide to move on from Fields. I feel like we saw more of this accuracy in Caleb's sophomore season, but then again I didn't watch every USC game. His play vs Notre Dame this year gave me concerns whereas in his sophomore season vs ND he looked like an all-pro.
My only question is how serious Caleb is about not wanting to play for the Bears? We've seen what happens when a top QB prospect would rather play elsewhere and was willing to follow through.
Thank you, I appreciate that! Did Caleb say somewhere that he wasn't willing to play for the Bears? I hadn't heard that
@@TheJumboPackage He hasn't said it explicitly but he's liked tweets saying the Bears should keep Fields. And he reportedly wants part ownership of whatever team drafts him. There's also that rumor that he has a list of certain teams that he's willing to play for, the Raiders, Cowboys, Vikings, Giants or 49ers.
@@turtleislandlac1490 Interesting - I'll have to look into that!
I just watched and I see it 6mos old interesting 🤔 and I think CW is going to be great
Agreed!
Gonna pile on from a Bears fans perspective. I really liked your breakdown and appreciate the work you put in. I’m a JF1 guy but I see the appeal. The pro comp feels like it’s spot on, I see CW as a boom or bust prospect. If he hits he’s gonna hit big and live up to the hype. But the bust potential is a huge concern. I don’t like the “generational talent” term being thrown around bcuz he doesn’t wow me like a Manning or Luck did. He needs to land in a perfect situation and I don’t think the Bears are that situation. I’ll cheer for whoever the Bears decide on if they stay in the 1 spot. And again I appreciate your analysis.
Thank you, I really appreciate your comments! But I also appreciate the nuance you approach the situation with. I think what gets lost on some of the commenters here is that they may spend a lot of time hating on Caleb and then he'll (possibly) be on the team in a year and they'll have have to live with it and support him. I think it's best to keep an open mind. I agree he definitely has some bust potential, but I think he has a higher floor than most people realize due to his ability to play in structure when he wants to / needs to. He just needs to reel himself in a bit. Thanks for watching!
How old are you?
I see a less athletic Justin Fields who throws with a tad bit more anticipation. My only concern is he’s doing all of this in college, not the pros. Didn’t Johnny Manzel do all this stuff too? Can he make nfl defenders miss and throw in tight windows against nfl secondary? Justin has his flaws but has proven he can make national headlines even when his team is terrible ex. 2022 Bears. Justin was a pocket guy in college, had nothing to work with on offense and became the NFL’s best running QB, I see that as adapting to your circumstances. Would Caleb had done that? I think Caleb is exciting but to move off Justin for him to me is stupid, especially when the team has so many other holes, like OC, Oline, WR, Dline, and to some extent RB & TE.
tad bit more anticipation? fields has literally zero anticipation
@@TB17- Zero is reaching…
@@TheChristophert302its not. Show me a video of literally one fields throw with anticipation.
@@TB17- Steelers game his rookie year, pass to Allen Robinson for a first down in the fourth quarter……
@@TheChristophert302 just watched it, i dont see any anticpatory throw there? are you talking about the deep ball? thats not an anticipatory pass. Thats just throwing an accurate deep route to a guy basically running a straight line, which he is good at. Im talking about anticipating the WR's break and throwing before they are out of their break. Justin never throws the ball until they are totally out of their break and looking at him. Good QBs have the ball halfway to the WR before they even look back at the QB sometimes.
Being a bears fan all I see is the Fields vs Williams debate every day. I love JF1, but financially and logistically it just doesn’t make sense to keep him. Drafting CW gets us a better QB on a cheaper contract and draft capital in return for Fields. It’s a passing league and he’s never even passed for over 2500 yards
Edit: For those who complain that he holds the ball too long and will get sacked, he’s only responsible for 30% of his pressures/sacks while Fields is responsible for 80%
I'd love to see where you're getting that 80% figure from, because the sources I looked at all have him at in the mid 20's range, which, if you're not great at math, is lower than the 30% of Williams.
I'm not taking either side in the discussion, but I thought it'd be interesting to go back to see Fields's invited pressure rate from his last season in College and I figured I'd share. It was 28.6%, 1.4% less than Caleb Williams, but still would have been 1st in the Nation in 2023 (obviously context matters because they were on different teams against different opponents in different years). This year in the NFL, Fields has a 16.2% invited pressure rate, but the invited pressure rates in the NFL seem to be generally lower than in college due to various different things such as the difference in plays being run and obviously more years of development. In 2022, Fields had a 23.9%, so it seems to pan out that he's gotten better at inviting less pressure since he first came into the league! I don't think anyone can argue that both of them have the same issue of holding onto the ball too long.
@@TheJumboPackage I just saw that 80% figure and knew it was something he made up on the spot and not something that is based on any actual data points. Especially given that in far too many games, we've seen the data where he's under pressure in about 1.5 seconds (avg, sometimes it's damn near immediate from the middle because we really do need a Center). The only data I could find was from 2022 and it seemed each place uses different metrics a bit, so it was between that 23.9 and I think 25.2? something of that nature. Thanks for providing an actual number for this year as well.
@@mr.guillotine3766 Haha, definitely agree that center, and IOL, is quite a large need for the Bears this year! I'd definitely believe the 1.5s number with a lot of what I've seen from that OL. I think the different metrics are because multiple sites (PFF, Sumer Sports, Sports Info Solutions) all track it and some of them come out w/different numbers because they have different grading criteria. Not 100% sure about that, but that's my theory. It makes it frustrating when trying to use this data in the videos because it's hard to know which number to use and which is the most reliable. I've generally stuck with PFF (which is where I got the numbers above) because it's the only one I can afford at the given moment so it'll have to do 🤣. Thanks for bringing up the discussion and giving me the occasion to dive into the numbers a bit more (and of course, thanks for watching and commenting!).
He needs to be the Bears quarterback
Actually Fields did this pass in college and or the work out for the draft when he came out...
Welcome to Chicago
You don’t have that much time to get rid of the ball in the NFL especially going to a bad team
There has never been a player of any sport that people have not criticized. Joker. Criticized. Ja Morant. Criticized. Lebron. Criticized. So really its just about whether u have the it factor. Williams is a gamer and natural born leader on the field. Student of the game and position. To me, barring severe injury, he will have a successful NFL career. Hands down
Caleb is a smaller frame Justin without the insane speed. Caleb is better sliding in the pocket.
Great watch. Bears fan that agrees some stuff makes me want to pass on him and keep Justin, but I also have PTSD of bad QB play and don't want to pass on back-to-back potentially generational QBs. Justin will not be that. He can be good but never great. That comes from watching bears all-22 not just tv broadcast
I think that’s a very fair perspective. I think Justin Fields has a lot of growing to do and I don’t necessarily think it’s best for him or the Bears for him to stay there. As for Caleb, prospects will always have something worrying, but he has some incredible traits to look forward to and can do a lot with them if he gets good coaching!
Was Jim McMahon “generational”? No. Bears coaches suck. I’m not a Fields fanatic……I wonder how much more he can do with the right coaches. If it’s league “well above average”, then I would keep him, get Harrison and a center…..and with proven coaches, thats a powerful offense. Probably a top 5…..and defense will gain more talent as well. Potentially having a top 5 offense and defense. Thats a lot of power.
Would be so down to keep Justin if he wasn't on the verge of a contract year. Resetting the contract clock could prove crucial;. That leaves us without having to pay a QB for at least another 3-4 years. Justin gonna get a Daniel Jones deal for sure and I pray it isn't with the bears @@markkeller9378
WELCOME TO CHICAGO CALEB 💯💪
@@markkeller9378 IMO- not done growing, takes time to develop the mental clock especially with the crap offensive lines of the past 2 seasons....
I'm good with keeping JF and trading #1 for a boatload of position picks to keep the build going...
Center to QB exchanges have been awful, need a center and maybe a swing tackle...
I'd say a weakness I see is.... look at all his tape.... rewatch this video is you have to. You'll notice one thing in EVERY clip. Every. Single. Play.... Williams has done at usc has been out of the shotgun. I don't think I've seen a single Williams play he's NOT in a shotgun offense. I don't think there's a single NFL team that runs ALL it's plays out of the shotgun. So my concern is... can he even play a professional level-like offense? Does he have the footwork to drop back and pass? It's for these reasons I actually like Williams' conference rivals QBs better in Penix and Nix. They each put up just as gawdy of numbers in their tenure at their current school.... and Penix IMO seems the most definitively NFL ready while it's impossible to ignore Nix' 75 comp% over the past 2 seasons. No worries about his accuracy IMO.
As a Bears fan I'm praying they trade Fields to some sucker of a team..... AND trade the #1 overall pick to get that team's 2nd round pick and 2 future first round picks... and possibly then some. Then with that new early 2nd round pick they can likely land Penix or Nix. If it's looking like those 2 will go in the late 1st round.... trade back up into the first round to grab them.
If they do decide to keep the #1 pick.... I think I'd prefer Maye over Williams. I think they're about equal prospects but I'll give the nod to maye just for his size. Sports rer cfb has him listed at 6'5" 220 lbs. If he is his sports ref's height at his Wikipedia's weight - 230 lbs - I'll take that all day over a similarly touted prospect talent-wise but is.... 6'1"... maybe... could be 6' come combine day, and weighs 210-215 lbs. I feel like Maye could have an NFL comp of Justin Herbert as well, like this dude's Maye video. If comps turn out to be true..... I much prefer a Justin Herbert 2.0 than a Kyler Murray 2.0. Just saying. Haha
I actually mentioned this in the video. I don't think it's a massive issue, it's really more just something that adds an additional learning curve to his rookie season. He'll have to learn to play from under center and master the timing which I think may cause him to have some struggles early on that get fixed once he gets the hang of it.
The Patriots need to get him.😊
That would definitely be interesting- especially if Bill stays 👀
I think he looks good in a lot of his stats is he better than Fields? possilaby he does have some Mahomes traits
Caleb just needs to play the easy yards more often, not being superman play all the time !!
Not in College, look at Fields stats vs Top 25 teams; Compared to Caleb's. Face it... Caleb is not good against good teams.
Moves and throws a lot like Mahomes...with less zest.
I think height is always overrated
Brees- 6’0
Rodgers- 6’2
Mahomes- 6’2
Montana- 6’2 (205 lbs)
Murray- 5’10
Mayfield- 6’0
Wilson- 5’10 1/2
Purdy- 6’1
Stafford- bit over 6’2
Lamar Jackson- bit over 6’2 (215)
I think that is fair to an extent. I think the main reason is height is mentioned is not because it automatically makes a player worse, it just makes their ceiling lower from the start because it places a limitation on their game. There are plenty of tall QBs who have sucked and plenty of short QBs who have succeeded and vice versa, so it definitely can't be used as a metric to define success on its own!
so why does he play poorly against top teams? am i missing something here?
Every number one draft pick at quarterback in the last two decades has been a disappointment… Caleb will be no different
Joe Burrow?
@@Kentuckybearsfan Name the last #1 draft pick QB to win a superbowl for the team that drafted them....
@@kingtrawal name the last QB who couldn’t read a defense that was over .500
@@Kentuckybearsfan Cam Newton, Lamar, Randal Cunningham, Steve, McNair, Dante Culpepper, and most recently Caleb Williams, if you watch the tape can't read a defense either. Are you really this stupid? I own you.
I think he is the next Michael Sams
This is a Williams promo
He's a bear
Reminds me of Fields. Might be a hard pass for me
Definitely has some similar faults to Fields!
As a Washington fan, I'm good with Williams or Maye!
Then you'll definitely be happy come draft time! Great to go in with that mindset. I think they're set up for success!
Seeing I don’t care much for maholmes or Williams I’ll say no comment
Yes...if he is in the right situation on a team willing to unutilize his natural qb talent.
Can’t wait for him to be a commander he’s a DMV kid let’s bring him home
No no. He is a bust.
I don't like Caleb Williams. I'm a bigger fan of Jayden Daniels. I think Caleb might be like RGIII. Big name but won't get you to the super bowl.
Just got my Jayden Daniels video out if you’d like to check that one out!
He the Black Zach Wilson….
Everyone needs to stop comparing Mahomes to any other QB in College or the NFL, there is no one that’s even close, Field’s was the 2nd best QB in college then fizzled out in the NFL, the same thing can happen with Caleb…..Just a stupid comparison
I tend to agree! Mahomes is such an outlier in so many ways that I refuse to comp any player to Mahomes.
No. He's Russell Wilson and that's not a knock.
Maybe I’m off but I don’t see Mahomes when I watch him I see Kyler Murray
What??? He doesn't run like that at all.
I see a lot of similarities to Kyler Murray’s game in general, which is why I loved Murray as a pro comp!
@@TheJumboPackage Kyler ran for 1,000 yards his last year in college.
Caleb ran for 100. Lol
You're blind my guy
Why don't you show how many times he has shit the bed, against good teams.
I see a more Aaron Rodgers than anything else. He does little stuff like Aaron. As a bears fan, I wish our fan base and would keep an open mind on our situation. We should be happy about this!
Definitely agreed about keeping an open mind - if you see my pinned comment I talk about how I feel like they're in a situation where they can almost do no wrong. Definitely agree that I see some Rodgers in his game as well. Thanks for watching!
As a bears fan I agree! We have the no 1 pick now, poles better make the right call here rather than listening to this fan base
@@TheJumboPackagebears will figure out a way to screw this situation up. As a lifetime fan since the 70s im telling you so you wont be so disappointed
@@wentzr Haha, I'm a Jets fan so I'm never disappointed - I always expect disappointment so I won't be surprised 🤣
Remember how everyone saying Bryce Young was THE quarterback in the 2023 draft. Not a single first overall pick QB has won a superbowl since Payton Manning. That was a very long time ago. A top QB could get you wins but its a total team that gets you championships. The bears should just trade the pick again for even a bigger haul to rebuild their team
I would definitely agree that it's not just the QB who wins the championship, but I would push back against you a little bit in that I think the QB has a lot to do with a team's ability to get in position to win a championship in the first place. Great point about #1 picks though! Very hard to evaluate how these guys will pan out (Look at Brock Purdy!). Thanks for watching!
@@TheJumboPackage yes. Everyone is saying that purdy is on a very good team and that is the reason why he us doing well. But jimmy goropollo and trey lance was on the same team too but they NEVER played as well as Purdy. Very hard to evaluate QBs. I thought CJ Stroud was gonna be a bust cause he had the worst QB IQ test. But he is awesome! All i know is that marvin harison jr is a freak generational talent. No one is saying that about caleb Williams.
Matt Stafford was first overall and won just recently
@@lesontime this is true!! I forgot to mention a QB who was picked #1 overall AND won a championship with the team that picked him. We are assuming that if the Bears pick Caleb Williams and he wins a championship, that he is winning it as a Bear. I could see the Bears getting Caleb but they really need to fix the line. No QB is gonna do well behind that line. Plus they would miss out on MHJ then. And its a very good chance that he will be a top WR in the league. Imagine the reaction of the Bears fans if MHJ becomes the best WR in the league and hall of famer. Physically he is bigger than his dad. They also need a new offensive coordinator
@@richmargin6082 we'll see on Harrison. Plenty of "generational" talents bust out. No guarantees. Garropollo also made a SB, pre McCaffrey.
As a Bears fan. Give me Williams he would fit in so nice
This is the best Caleb Williams scouting report on RUclips currently
Thank you, that really means a lot!
No.
Him being soft and living off of backyard football is going to fail big time in the NFL.
He is being hyped beyond reason at this point.
Subbed, loved your assessment on him. I honestly believe he played hero ball so much because he had the worst defense in college and they couldn't stop anyone
Thank you, I really appreciate that! Very possible. I’m curious to see if he’ll take the Mahomes path and cool it with the hero ball stuff a bit more once he gets into the NFL!
Great and informative breakdown. As a Bears fan, I'd love to get your breakdown of Justin Fields, compared to Williams and Maye (especially if you've studied Fields in college). Based on your assessment of Williams and Maye, it sounds like they have a lot of similar issues that Fields had/has (footwork, not seeing open receivers sometimes, etc) - and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on if you believe either Williams or Maye show clear signs of being significantly better in the NFL than Fields.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that! Honestly, I wish I could provide that type of assessment, but I didn't scout Fields coming out of college so it would be difficult for me to give you a substantive answer without just making something up for the sake of giving an answer. From what I've seen from Fields in the NFL, I'd agree that it's a lot of the same issues w/these prospects + the fact that he still makes a lot of the same mistakes (e.g., missing open receivers, holding the ball too long, struggling to make it through his reads at times, inconsistent accuracy) after three seasons. He shows some incredible flashes of playmaking ability and accuracy so it's not impossible for him to be "the guy" for Chicago, but it's concerning that he hasn't been able to polish up his game in the 35 games he's played in the NFL. I was a pretty big believer in Fields after year one, so I still see the same upside in him - it's really more the fact that he's going into year 4 and making some of the same mistakes that concerns me about his future. Let me know if you agree or disagree!
Switch teams
While I really like Fields, his ability to make anticipatory throws is far worse than Williams. Also, William's ablility to feel pressure in the pocket and respond is significantly better than Fields. Also, while Fields makes some really athletic moves to extend plays, William's comfort and movement in the pocket is much more natural, and buys time more consistnetly. That, and the fact that William's release is SO much faster than Fields make this comparison really difficult for Fields to match up. Realize that Field's best year, he had 41 touchdowns, but still only threw for 3200 yards (233 per game). That is a crazy amount of TD's for yards that low. Williams had 4600 yards last yr when he played 14 games, and 3600 with 12 games this year. Fields is never going to average much over 200 yards in the NFL. It is not realistic that his stats will get better than they were in college. Williams averaged over 325 last yr, and 302 this year.
I appreciate the objective, unbiased assessment. Hope you'll do one for Jayden Daniels soon!
Thank you, I appreciate it! Hoping to have a Jayden Daniels one out soon!
Daniels vid is now out- lemme know what ya think!
Alright, who's here after the Bears got beat by the Packers? Love Fields, but I have a feeling the FO is drafting a QB at 1 this year. I might as well enjoy the ride.
He misses a lot more reads than you think. Youve automatically assumed theyre turned down... thats not necessarily the case.
The other factor, and its one crippling Bryce Young, is that your pockets have much less space in the NFL. Meaning defenders will close off a lot of those last second launches to the middle.
Nice breakdown of Caleb and Mayes in your other video. Bears sitting at #1 pick so far. Justin has the same positives of these quarterbacks, but also all of the negatives. The problem with Justin is he is going into the 4th year and still retains the negatives---holding ball too long, lack of anticipation, turnover, seeing open receivers, suspect mechanics, lack of awareness in the pocket; whether due to poor coaching (that is obvious) , lack of weapons and protection, or just plainly does not have it.
Thank you, I really appreciate that! I'd agree that Fields and Caleb especially share some of the same big weaknesses. The point you made about Fields too is kind of why I lean towards going w/Caleb, as I mentioned in my pinned comments... because he seems to not be able to consistently overcome his weaknesses and there hasn't been that much of a change since year 1 after over 35 starts. But I still see the upside with him!
I see Justin's glass 1/2 full and not 1/2 empty. Even though he has had a lot of negatives, I see definite improvement with him this year. He has not regressed like other QBs (Mac Jones, Sam Howell) but is actually making strides. He has a lot of untapped potential and I just think proper coaching could eliminate many of the bad habits he has. He many never be as polished as fans want him to but if they can accept his flaws like Buffalo fans accept Josh Allen's faults, everything should be okay. I mean, after all, Chicago has won 4 out of the last 5 games so we should always look at these little but significant things.
Why is it Justin makes insane anticipatory throws to DJ but not others? ROUTE RUNNING CRISPNESS by receivers. Other than DJ the routes by Bears rec are not crisp. Now kmet has dramatically improved on this during the last 1/2 of this year.
@@byronscherer5098 wr coach and oc fired . Hmmmmmmmmmmm
I’m not sure how to look at this . He has the same flaws as Fields but in a level lower . How does that translate to the nfl?
I think what makes Williams short coming more of a big deal than just nitpicks is many of those short comings have to be trained out and fixed as early as possible by good NFL coaching which I doubt he will find being a top 3 pick and if he has any lack of passion for football he may not be driven enough to reinvent himself for NFL style football. He's clearly very athletic and could be a very dangerous QB but I think if he doesnt have good coaches around him (which is most likely going to be the case) he will be the next Justin Fields or especially Zach Wilson who was very athletic and talented in college but didnt transition to the pros very well and his confidence has never recovered and he plays like he's terrified and over thinks everything. Also seeing how good CJ Stroud has been this year shows that throwing with anticipation is the most important QB skill at the NFL level. Williams really only throws to wide open dudes which will almost never happen in the pros, so he is gonna turn into Justin Fields 2.0 holding on to the ball for too long getting sacked waiting for guys to be wide open. Whereas CJ Stroud releases the ball before guys have even made their cut. That is the only way to survive as a rookie QB in totals NFL and with how much Williams plays a run and gun style I think he will struggle to change his playing style to be able to throw with anticipation more often than not instead of running a scramble drill offense.
Very possible! That's the unfortunate balance that needs to be struck to create a successful QB: good coaching combined with a coachable player who is willing to learn. Harder to find than it seems because of all the tiny factors that go into it (personalities, learning styles, surrounding situation, etc). I think you have some legitimate concerns, but I have a bit more faith than you do that his problems will be fixed in the NFL. But we both agree they need to be fixed!
I mean I don’t watch a lot of college football, just watch his clips basically, but when they said this guy is one in a generation, I was like he scrambles way too much sometimes even runs 20 yards back like he’s playing Madden.
He looks a lot like Aaron Rodgers. Like Rodgers he doesn’t look to run but he moves around while continuing to look down field.
I could see parts of Rodgers in his game for sure!
Honestly the Bears should have BOTH HIM and Fields in the team
2023 taught us one thing
You need a quality backup qb and Caleb will be goid for him to sit and wait for his chance
@@TheJumboPackageIf hes The next Aaron rodgers the bears have to take hik because rodgers was bears rival
Great analysis.
If I’m the bears I personally think this kid is way too much of a risk. Especially with a generational wideout there
If I’m the bears I’m moving off the pick to go to number 2 if someone really really wants Caleb. Give me the assets. I’ll take the sure thing and you can take the risk.
From there if I’m the bears I’d rather draft a QB later or just give fields another year vs draft Caleb at one and give up mhj and all the extra asset.
Also way too many character risks with this kid too.
If you get an extra first for this kid you’ll probably be drafting again next year in the top 5 because Caleb is gonna turn the ball over a lot, especially on a bad team like the patriots cardinals etc.
I agree. 40 years a Bears fan here. Fields is the guy. Those who are saying Williams is a “generational” talent is hyperbole to me. I see a lot of flaws that are glossed over. This kid is gonna struggle in the NFL for a while. How’s he gonna respond. Maybe he’ll be ok or maybe not. But he’s no slam dunk. No way. I think he’s 50% bust. I think Penix or Daniels or Maye might be better pros.
@@joelsteinbrecher7917 I say to this a lot of people. I’m very confident that at least one of these quarterbacks will be better than Justin fields in a years.
The issue is we don’t know exactly who they 1 or perhaps 2 guys are.
But regardless… I know the bears overall will be better if they don’t try and guess who that guy might be and just take the assets and build around the guy … because the only things you know for sure
1. Justin is getting better
2. Justin is well liked and has good character
3. Keeping Justin gets you a better overall team.
4. MHJ is gonna be one of the best WRs in the league in 2-3 years- I’m that sure.
Honestly if ask me I think the Daniels kid may be end up being the best one in 3 years. I’m not always high on the mobile QB stuff. But the kid has a compact Release. He’s electric fast but doesn’t run recklessly. And he can make most throws albeit it not from crazy platforms like Caleb.
So imo don’t shoot for the stars on this one. I have major concerns about Caleb’s character
In 3 years I truly believe people are gonna say… Jayden Daniel’s was just as electric electric as fields but way more accurate as a passer. But it’s hard to make that move when you have so many assets on the line.
Caleb is too soft for Chicago!!! Justin Fields has earned his stripes in Chicago. BEAR ⬇️
Bears finally has a respectable QB and they can’t wait to get rid of him lol Caleb does look good… put I would build around fields with Mhj
CANT WAIT TO SEE CALEB IN A BEARS UNI
Earned what strips 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡dawg he’s a mid to below average QB. Watch the tape please 🙏🏾
Lazy take saying he’s soft like he’s not playing football and getting hit 🤡🤡🤡🤡just say you love JF1 and have this delusion he’s a great QB 💀
@@jaredbrown5419 YEAH HE'S A BACK UP AT BEST RIGHT NOW
His size kinda concerns me. He’s listed at 6’1” so I’d bet he’s more like 6’0”. But I read somewhere his hands are on the smaller side. And the 32 fumbles in 36 games is very concerning me. I love Fields and if this guy is “can’t miss,” I’m good with it. But, like most Bears fans on thus thread, I’m torn. Every day I change my mind. Today, I want to keep Fields.
It's a tough decision and I think a lot can go wrong and a lot can go right with either choice unfortunately. I think your concerns about his height and fumbles are very fair! Ultimately we'll never know until he gets to the NFL!
I really like Fields but he isn't as decisive as Williams seems to be. Fields also has a slow dropback, he takes longer to throw due to his high, slow release angle, & ultimately I would trust Williams out of the pocket more than Fields. When it comes playoff time, you face the best defenses & they will scheme running QBs to the pocket. Thats why I believe rushing should always be secondary but a QB like Fields definitely relies too much on it. If I'm the Bears, i already know what i have in Fields & so even if Williams busts, i didn't think Fields would win it all anyway. I'm trading Justin for at least a 2nd round pick, drafting Williams at #1, & then with pick 8-11, I'm taking one of those top 3 WRs assuming one is left to pair w/ Moore & Kmet thus giving Williams a solid group to come into as a rookie on top of an already improving OLine & one of the best defenses in the league in terms of stopping the run & getting takeaways. This would be the best team the Bears can offer a rookie QB. Trubisky & Fields never had this type of supporting cast when they came into the league
Go to exactly 4:20 sec of the video and pause the video. Zoom in on the pocket Clean. Look at Caleb's eyes are down the field. There is a receiver in the back of the e zone. He been open. Now play the rest. He's not perfect, and I'm a USC fan. He misses wide open receivers often. He is great. But we will see on the next level
Great breakdown, I need to see more under center play... but over all he looks legit. Nice work.
Agreed on the point about working under center. Thank you, I appreciate it!
I think he’ll probably be good but the Mahomes comparisons are laughable. Mahomes is absurdly talented who landed in a great situation who also reached his potential. Caleb is less talented, going to a worse situation, and likely won’t reach his potential (just statistical fact).
I don’t think they are totally unfair. Of course Mahomes is great and Wiliams is an unknown in the NFL but when a QB has a lot of physical similarities and plays comparably to a great QB just like Mahomes O think the comparison is fair. Just shouldn’t be misunderstood as playing on the same level
@@lnnrt0161 they’re unfair to Caleb for starters. Most people think if Caleb is “like Mahomes” there’s a realistic upside chance he could be Mahomes, since they have some physical similarities and some play style similarities. I don’t think that’s realistic.
@@wilkic2 I think it’s fair to say that Caleb has some “Mahomes-like” traits or that parts of his games look similar to how Mahomes plays the game, but I agree that no one should be comped to Mahomes, which is why I didn’t make the comp in this video. Mahomes has such a unique blend of skills which make him one of the greatest QBs of all time already!
@@TheJumboPackage yeah, I agree with you. That is fair
Williams is a much better prospect than Mahomes was coming out 💀
I’ve been struggling with the fields ha caleb argument, I’m still indecisive so.. I’m gonna leave it to bears GM on this one
Very tough decision no doubt!
Say it with me “this dude has a huge chance of becoming a bust.”
He’s Justin Fields
Hes not a good qb. Hes just a runner. In the NFL big defenses will scheme him. He will need to be a pocket passer and read defenses. He is a bust
3.19 seconds. With the Bears line, at the NFL level of play from defenses is a lot of sacks.
Please, Bears, don't fuck this up!
I think any decision for them is good quite honestly! As long as it's getting Caleb or getting MHJ somehow!
Bears 🐻 here nice break down. We’re starved for a franchise qb, if they end up with Willams and he’s the real deal in the NFL he will own the city.
Thank you, I appreciate it! I've always said the same about the Jets haha. Hopefully they'll have the face of their franchise soon!
As a Bears fan, I just don't see him as some must take upgrade over Fields, especially since his issues, are largely the same ones Fields has at times, and the reasons given, are a lot of same ones Fields has on top of it...plus, some really horrible coaching from the OC who refuses to gameplan to his abilities most of the time. What most of those calling for them to draft Caleb never seem to mention, is do they think Getsy should stay? Because if Fields isn't the type of QB for Getsy, then neither is Williams, they're too similar and on top of having to adjust to playing under center more often, he'd likely have to deal with Getsy refusing to call plays that fit his ability, further handicapping...really don't want to see Getsy ruin another young mans career.....And if they get rid of Getsy, then, well other than the issue of having Fields in yet another new system with another new OC, you can negate a lot of that by actually choosing an OC who wants to run a system that would actually benefit Fields and the talent around him. The line is still suspect, but improving.
Either way, good breakdown. I just don't see him as an upgrade over Fields, especially with other issues on the Bears team. If I'm the Bears GM, I'm sticking with Fields through his rookie contract, bringing in an OC who actually wants to work with him, drafting MHJ to add a second legit WR (right now he basically has Moore at WR and Kmet at TE as the only really reliable targets), getting an upgrade at Left tackle (I like Braxton Jones, and he has a lot of potential, but he's not elite at this stage and it's an important position worthy of an upgrade to let them settle it in training camp, either way, you end up with more depth at the position) and in the 3rd or 4th, add a Center because, my god, that is a huge weakness. They could also use more depth and upgrades at the guard position...while they can and will add some of that depth in free agency, the best bet to get players of the future long term, is going to be the draft, and if they have the 1st overall pick, the thing that makes the most sense to me, is to trade down, even if only one spot, to get additional picks and still get MHJ (though there seems to be several really good options at WR in this draft who would be great additions alongside Moore).
Hell, with this strategy, it's likely the Bears would end up with three 1st round picks in the 2025 draft. If Fields falls to pieces or hasn't shown he can be the guy at the end of his rookie contract even with a better OC who is playing to his abilities, then well, you have plenty of draft capital to move up from wherever they would end up drafting to go get one of the top QB's in the 2025 draft. Drafting a QB is always a gamble, and with the defense improving much faster than the offense (largely due to coaching in my opinion), you don't want to waste 2 or 3 years of a competitive defense on a new QB who may, or may not, show you any real ability at the NFL level. No matter who is QB of the Bears though, I think it's clear Getsy can't be the OC, especially for Williams who has so many of the same pros and cons of Fields. It would be insanity. (Sadly, I've seen more than one Bears fan insist that we can't properly evaluate Getsy as an OC because of Fields...which, is backwards thinking, good coaches will adjust to the players on their roster, not insist on calling plays for the guys he wishes he had on his roster...he fails to do that, and that's the evaluation in and of itself)
Just my 2 cents (and then some) appreciate the breakdown.
First, thank you for watching and for commenting your thoughts, I appreciate it! I'd agree that Caleb definitely has some of the same issues as Fields did coming out of college. I think that the benefit in taking Caleb would be to reset the rookie window, because they're going to need to make a decision on Fields's 5th year option next season and then decide whether they want to pay him. But to your point, it's kind of a balancing act of what they'd rather have: (a) Caleb Williams + resetting the rookie contract window + whatever they get from trading fields; or (b) Fields + Whatever they get from trading #1 + whatever they lose from trading back into 3 to get MHJ. It's definitely a tough debate, because you stand to gain more from a team building perspective with the resources you get from trading #1, but you're also still a bit in limbo w/a QB who has struggled to improve some of the same problems he's shown since day 1. But of course, just to equivocate some more, its very possible they'll draft Caleb and have the exact same issue down the road with way less resources. I don't envy their position, but at the same time I do because I almost think they can do no wrong as long as they get either Caleb or Marvin Harrison Jr. As for Getsy, I'd agree he definitely started out the year struggling to scheme around Fields's strengths. He's gotten a bit better, but still not great or even good at playing to Fields's strengths. I'd love to see Fields with someone like a Shane Steichen who has worked in a lot of different schemes w/different QB types (Worked w/Norv Turner & Rivers in SD, then Turner & Weeden in CLE, went back to LAC to work w/Justin Herbert underneath different OCs, then completely changed up by working w/Hurts & Richardson in Philly & Indy). Getsy spent a lot of time in Green Bay working with Rodgers, McCarthy, and Lafleur so he's had a little bit of exposure to different things, but no one like Fields and I think if he were to get better at it, it's definitely going to take time so I'm not sure if they want to afford him the time to do that w/Caleb or move in another direction. I know that was kind of rambling, but I wanted to address some of the main points of your comment. Let me know what you think!
@@TheJumboPackage I don't disagree with you, but to me, resetting the contract isn't a huge deal given the cap space the Bears have to work with. If they were still under the previous regime, it would be urgent, but Poles has done an excellent job of creating cap space and stocking up on resources (draft picks) to allow a lot more flexibility. Picking up his option will cost them a little over 23 mil I do believe, but it would give him two full seasons under any new OC who might be brought in (and I love your suggestion and think he would be a great selection. They need a proven OC primarily so they know he would be willing and able to do what Getsy has not, which is call plays to the players ability, not just Fields, but also that O-line, which is improving but still isn't good enough for what Getsy really wants to do)
I'll understand if the Bears do move on from Fields, but it will also just be yet another QB the Bears of failed to develop and potentially ruined their career, though I think if he were to move on to a team like Atlanta, with some of the weapons they have there already, a lot of Bears fans might be regretting that move midway through next season. The coaching has been the biggest factor...and to me, the biggest indictment of Getsy is that we saw what Fields did last season, when he did finally learn to call plays to fit the talent on the offense (which was basically just Fields, the running game, and sometimes Kmet and Mooney, the line was just horrible, though Braxton Jones improved as the year progressed)...Fields kept the Bears competitive in almost every game. They lost 7 games by one score or less, but the defense was bottom of the league as well then. This season, many of us expected him to build off of that, expand it, incorporate some of his own system of pocket passing now that the line was improved but primarily building off of what worked and should work even better now that Fields has an additional WR, who is a legit no.1 option...instead, it was a stubborn insistence on forcing him to stay in the pocket.
It does not work for Fields for a few reasons, some of which are (IMO) there was no real trust in the line yet at the start of the season. They hadn't proven they were improved yet, mainly because they weren't, not all around, in large part due to the fact that we started off with two starters being injured or unavailable anyway, I don't think our starting line played a game together until after Fields was injured this season. Getsy struggles in play calling beyond the initial script of 15 or so plays. He's predictable, makes it easier for teams to simply know what play is coming, unless he's allowed for Fields to move the pocket and sort of do a bit of practiced improv...Fields was already improving on keeping his eyes downfield when he scrambled last season, the problem then, was that there wasn't really anyone getting open, but we still saw some magic happen because he didn't just take off and run, he was moving with his eyes downfield just in case someone did, and a few times they managed to do it. (though, usually he had to tuck it and run, but he was looking on many of those). Going into this season, with a legit no.1 WR, Kmet, Mooney (who sadly has really fallen off and seems to have checked out...reminding me of the last year of Allen Robinson far too often), it should have meant just huge improvements on similar plans as last season...it never really materialized. We did see Fields showing his passer ability in back to back games before his injury though, (when the line was mostly healthy, I think maybe we were only missing one of our starters by that point? or my timeline could be off, but the line was holding up better either way). I think that's his true capacity and to me, that's more than a "flash"...I feel like it's not always Fields who is inconsistent, but the play calling.
Either way, Poles will make the decision. I just don't see that "instant upgrade" in any QB in this draft class that some Bears fans seem to see. I do see some big red flags around a few of the guys, and not just reported ones that nobody is backing up, but ones we've been able to see with our own eyes (that rumor of Fields not having a work ethic, not being a leader, before his draft, certainly didn't turn out to be true...which is another concern I'd have in trading him. He is a leader in that locker room. The guys are questioning why this is even a discussion and getting a bit irritated with the media asking about JF1, with Moore saying that he doesn't think the QB's in this class are better than Fields, Jaylon Johnson talking about how Fields is their guy and a leader they all look to, etc)...and we've certainly seen players sort of tap dance around questions about the QB if there is any doubt in the locker room...(sort of how Eberflus danced around a question about Getsy recently..when directly asked about the offense, he replied with how "Luke is a great guy" type of response) I'd hate to see the Bears blow up the improving chemistry by moving on from a guy they all believe in, and going with someone who will have to prove themselves from scratch, and who may already have some obstacles and preconceived notions that may take longer to overcome, if ever.
Poles will decide though at some point. I understand your points, I don't disagree with them, I don't know that I feel it's as big of a positive to reset that rookie QB contract though. Too many holes still exist so the extra picks from trading down from 1st are a pretty big deal. We'd have three 1st rounders next draft with some interesting/talented QB's coming out then as well...But, it's all a gamble. Seems like a lot of QB's taken 1st overall never live up to their expectations. I'd rather keep building, knowing that if we have to move on from him, we have the cap space, the draft capital, and by then, a solid team, to go ahead and do that in 2025 or 2026, but I'll understand if Poles sees it differently.
(I think I rambled more than you did, it's sort of my style lol)
@@mr.guillotine3766 Haha, I ramble a lot too so no worries. I thought your comment was really interesting and had a lot of interesting points! Specifically the one about Fields struggling in the beginning of the season due to lack of trust in the OL. I think that's such an interesting point that I hadn't really thought about because he had been bludgeoned by their OL the prior year, so he needed time for them to prove that they were actually going to holdup before he was willing to sit in the pocket and beat teams solely through the air. I also agree it doesn't make sense to limit his game in that way because beating teams w/his legs also makes it easier to win through the air because the threat of the run is there. It's also interesting to note that since their defense has improved in the last few weeks, the team has looked much better as a whole so Fields has much more help and has looked much improved. In terms of resetting the rookie window, for the Bears, it's not so much contract oriented, as it's time oriented (i.e., they have more time to continue building the team before they need to shell out money for a QB), but I definitely see you're point that they have a lot of cap space and their cap is not much of a concern. I also agree that Fields will be awesome in Atlanta if they wind up keeping Arthur Smith and totally get your worries about failing to develop another QB (I'm a Jets fan, so I don't even need to explain why I understand it haha).
Next Mahomes? More like a more mobile Dak Prescott, hard pass.
If the Bears pass on this guy they need to just disband the franchise
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He has played against some of the worst defenses in college. NOTRE-DAME EMBRASSED HIM
its one game....name a QB that hasnt had a really bad game at some point
He was pedestrian vs Oregon. Same vs Washington where he cried with his mom. He lost a lot at SC despite being stacked offensively. His mental makeup bothered me.
I see Kyler as well
NFL Mahomes is much better than NCAA Mahomes - Mahomes, as we know him is the result of his previous talents and having, primarily, Alex Smith as a mentor and secondarily, one of the greatest offensive minds in Andy Reid. Mahomes is unique - Caleb's path will be different but I look forward to following him in the NFL
Definitely agree about that! Hopefully he has a good surrounding situation because I could see him being a perennial all-pro in that scenario. A lot of QB success and development appears to come down to the situation they start and grow in, so I'm hoping the Bears are able to make it work for him!
This guy will either be a top 7 QB after a year or 2 or he will be a God awful starter. I don't really see much of a middle ground for players like this. I'll keep watching videos until I form my own opinion but will also be important for me to hear an interview of him. I thought Trevor Lawrence was a little to late on throws in college and his extra hitch would burn him in the NFL and so far I feel good about my evaluation of him. I thought CJ stroud would be special and I thought Bryce was to small to be a good QB. I'm just not a big fan of smaller QBs because u rarely see them have consistent success
I think that's very fair!
It's the pocket presence. Caleb's got it. He knows how to navigate within the pocket and go thru his progressions. He keeps his head up and eyes scanning. Drake Maye and even Justin Fields don't have the same pocket presence. Fields just ducks and bails out with the slightest pressure. That's the difference.
I'd tend to agree with much of what you wrote here. Caleb's pocket presence is high-level, if not elite, and he does a really excellent job working through his reads - probably one of the best QBs I've watched in that area!