I can't believe how useful this entire channel is for comparing and learning about anything audio. And I'm absolutely blown away how much interaction there is in regards to answering people questions (even the questions that people could easily Google). Incredible job!
Another option is the Tascam DR-10C. I know it's not available here in the US but you can easily buy it on eBay. Paid around $210 for mine and it does send the audio to your camera/recorder. I heard this model isn't available in America due copyright infringements... 😔😔 Good video as always!
A bit baffled by this comment. Read the specs of DR-10C and nothing indicates that it can wireless transmit the audio signal to a receiver...but i am very new and miss the specs. Can you clarify ?
Thorough review as usual. I picked up this little guy a few years ago, and just now pulled it out and used it with a Sony a5000 for fun. The sound quality is surprisingly good from my experience. And I have no problem syncing it in post with DaVinci Resolve. I'm glad I decided to use it again. I think it could be a time saver should my other options fail or run out of power.
Syncing with Pluraleyes is easy. That's what I recommend and I use multiple external recorders to sync to the camera with no issues. It's almost fully automatic. :-) Thanks again for the great video Curtis!
Thanks for another great video my friend! It sounds pretty good. I recommended this to one of my professors about a month ago. He needed to record his lectures for an online coarse. Although he has yet to purchase it, when he does you know I am going to "borrow" it from him. ;-) Cheers, Greg
Great review Curtis! I got two of these recently and they're so easy to set up. Actually, the dual record combined with the auto setting makes it super easy to just throw on a talent on a basic conversation type of set up and record easily untethered and without the fear of interference, distance, or obstructions. Cheers!
Don't know if you know this already, but in June this year they released a new firmware update which adds a bunch of new features (MP3 recording at 128 or 192), choosing -6db or -12db for dual record mode, and level meters displaying during recording.
Thank you for this review Curtis! I was impressed myself with all the testing I did. I def love the dual recording set up. Im so glad your review confirmed my decision to keep this product. Thanks for your awesome reviews.
There we go! The review I've been waiting for! As soon as the dog's walked and the coffee's brewed I'll be sitting down and giving this a watch. Almost as exciting as settling in for the season finale of Westworld.... .... almost. :)
Realy impressed with the smooth audio from that little Tascam. How much magic did you work into post? I've been experimenting with the Rode lav while recording my blog in the car capturing the audio on my phone, this looks like a nice upgrade from that setup.
Ahhhhhhh the limiter test freaked me out! Lol Excellent video, lots of good info. I'm buying one of these to pair with my Rode Wireless Go so I can sync audio for my Sony A5100 which doesn't have a mic jack.
I think that another good point is that it is a system with "unlimited tracks". If you do an interview with two people, you can record them to left and right just fine with 2 channel audio. But if there are 3+ people involved, this can be a better solution. For non live production.
@@curtisjudd well yes, in the simplest and most stupid way possible. You can just keep using more of them to add to people and then sync up the audio in your NLE.
This unit is also great for podcasters. For those interviews in which your guest has no audio gear or knowledge, we send them one of these. We still do the interview via phone,Zoom, whatever, but have the nice audio file from the DR10. Thus better sound & simple to use for the non techie guest. Just a little shipping. You also can do the same with Rodes TRRS lav mic. Just ship them the lav, have them record the interview on their smartphone, send you that file and return the mic! Both setups are a double record. As long as they place the lav correctly you are good to go.
Dude, consider calling your cell phone while doing the proximity RF interference test to truly test for RF interference. When calls come into your phone is when you'll get interference if you didn't already know. Great video and know I'll look for your review of the Zoom F2.
Excellent. One thing to consider for any videographers reading this, having a lav record separately in addition to a camera shotgun mic is often a life saver. Syncing audio from an external source is an extra step, but having 2 sources of audio as a backup could just save a take. Every situation is different of course, but the more audio sources the better. If the lav fails, you still at least have the camera's audio. Wireless into the video's audio track is easiest...but ultra risky. If that's your only source...and it fails, drops out, or gets interference...you're stuck. I know most people reading this already know this. Just mentioning again for anyone just getting started.
I just bought the DR-10L and, while I would give it a demerit for the difficulty I have with the slider for power on/off and record (no fingernails!) I really like the unit. Where it fails for me is not the problem with the DR-10L but probably the lav mic that comes with it. I record motorcycle riding videos for my TexasTwoLane.com RUclips channel and I'm trying to find ways to reduce wind noise. The mic, with both its supplied windscreen and an extra, dead-cat style muff on it and mounted behind the chin guard of my full-face helmet, has a lot of distortion at 70mph. The face of the helmet is open. The Zoom H1 I had been using did a better job but I had been hoping to improve on that. Up until 60-70mph the audio sounds great from the DR-10L. Then, there's more distortion than wind noise. I've experiment with the settings including the Limiter ON and OFF. Please know that I'm a long-time professional network news cameraman and video editor. You mentioned the Sanken COS-11D. Wow. Really expensive! But, if it was the magic elixir to cure strong wind noise, then I would invest in it if I knew which model worked with the DR-10L. Link to the right one please? Finally, yes, I experimented with different mic gain settings going all the way down to the lowest. Still major distortion, just at a lower level. I have Dual Recording going on as well with the second track set to be -12db down. Any suggestions?
hi curtis, your videos have been an invaluable learning source so thanks! i have two lavalier mics (sanken cos 11-d and rode lavalier) and want to do some videos involving two people cooking and chatting. i was thinking of connecting the lavs to two tascam dr-10/zoom h1n or one of each. this kind of wired setup fits into my current budget. do you think this would work well? also would the audio out of the tascam be better than the zoom or are they comparable? it would be a lot cheaper for me to get two h1n but if the preamps in the tascam makes worth it, i'd opt for the tascam. i think the zoom f1 is a little chunky so unless there's a reason why i should go for it, i think i'd rather the tascam dr-10
i also can buy one set of a used sennheiser g3 receiver and transmitter for about the same price as the tascam dr-10 at the moment so i'm unsure if i should go for that (which would allow monitoring of one microphone, and i could record to the h1n with the other microphone and wait for another cheap g3 to pop up) or just stick with a wired system. i'm inexperienced so am unsure if this would make syncing in post difficult but also don't mind too much and like learning how to do new things
Hi Luca, you could go either way. Note that wireless takes more time to get set, potentially, unless you use it in the same place every time. It definitely gives you the ability to monitor which is good. I guess I'd probably go with the G3. Best wishes!
still relevant. thank you for the effort and the sharing. do you know if the levels for the dual record function are adjustable or are they set at a specific level (-3db or -6db as an example)? i am an appreciative subscriber. thumbs up.
Hi, it’s been a while since I had this, but my recollection is that the safety track is locked at -6dB. There have been some firmware updates since I borrowed this for the review so it may have changed.
Curtis, I have a pressing concern...I have seen Countryman B3's being used with the DR10L. If I'm not mistaken, the DR10L has a mic bias output of 2 Volts, do you think this adversely affects the noise floor of recordings with the Countryman B3 as it requires 3 Volts? Please advise.
Hi Javier, good question but I'm not sure of the answer. The Sanken mic I used in this video apparently also needs more than the 2V the Tascam provides. It seemed ok, but that's a subjective assessment.
@@curtisjudd I just heard of ZOOM's soon to be released F2 which will offer 32-bit float recording...it will also output 2.5volts. Would the 32-bit float affect such mics in any way? Also, what are your thoughts on the F2 and its 32-bit float recording? Gamechanger? Enabler for the inept such as myself? As always, you are top tier, Curtis....thanks.
@@usernamenotvisibIe Hi Javier, I have placed a pre-order for the F2 so that I can review it. 32-bit float with multiple converters doesn't affect the microphone, but most lavalier microphones can limit the dynamic range you can record. However, for spoken word recording, the F2 or the Tentacle Sync Track E (another 32-bit float body pack recorder) with a decent lavalier will not be easy to distort by over modulating. For body pack recording, 32-bit float significantly reduces the risk of distorted/clipped audio. However, it comes at the cost of additional work in post. Also, it does not solve the problem of forgetting to start the recording or accidentally pulling out a cable or detecting any other sort of interference or microphone failure. So it is a step in the right direction rather than a game changer in my little mind. 😀
Hi Luis, I would not recommend using the Auto Level under any circumstances as it has a tendency to lift the noise floor in rather dramatic fashion in between phrases. The limiter is digital so not super helpful, but can save you a little bit of time in post by pre-compressing the transient spikes. But it is still very important to get your gain set correctly with enough headroom for people getting quite loud. Normally, I aim to get the peaks around -18 to -12 at the most. Good luck!
Nice review! Do you know if it's possible to run a 3.5mm plug from the earphone output to a DSLR camera and record direct to the camera file with this recorder?
Have you any idea how I switch off the key lock on this recorder. Come to use it and the keys are locked but I cannot find any mention of this in the manual.
Hi Paul, I'm sorry, I don't remember as I only had this on loan for the review. I'd contact Tascam support. They should be able to help out. Good luck!
Hi Paul, I don’t believe that would be possible given the single mic input. Some might say you could use a splitter and send audio in one channel, timecode in the other but my experience is that you get crosstalk in unbalanced cables like that (i.e., can hear the timecode signal in the mic channel.)
Hi Curtis! I have purchased a Tascam DR-10L and I am just getting familiar with it. It really improves my audio...love it! I would like to ask a logistical questions of you. I currently use my iphone for recording the video (and the audio that goes with it) and then sync my great Tascam audio later with editing software. What I do find is that the little Record start/stop control is super tiny and of course the recorder is clipped to by back pocket so it is not easy to access. My inclination is to just leave it on and recording throughout my entire session for efficiency sake. Is this a wise decision? I know that there is the "syncing clap" that needs to happen at the start for easy syncing later on my software. If I chop up the audio and get rid of the unusable recordings, it seems like I will I lose my easy syncing capability. Hmmm. What is your suggestion? What do you normally do? Thank you so much!
It isn't easy, but it hasn't created any issues where I could not get them in sync. There are a variety of options to help save time with sync. Most of the major video editing apps can automatically sync the video with the audio clip one by one IF the camera recorded good reference audio. Pluraleyes can make it even faster, again, if the camera captured good reference audio. Timecode generators are the most efficient tools for automating sync in post, but also cost the most. Here's one example: ruclips.net/video/o36XYOPp0BE/видео.html
Another great review Curtis - please keep them coming ! Is it possible to use the DR-10L as a pass-thru using the mic output as an input to a wireless transmitter ? Sort of double backup Thanks again
Hi Jay, thanks! The DR-10L unfortunately does not have an output for this purpose but the DR-10CS does. The DR-10CS is available outside the US and is designed specifically for the case you suggested as a pass-through to wireless.
Also on the list of new features is the ability to record directly to MP3, as well as multiple WAV formats. By recording to MP3, users will be able to record for days on end with a single MicroSD card, which can be a lifesaver on remote shoots or when gathering content at tradeshows and events. This new firmware for the DR-10X, DR-10SG, DR-10L and DR-10LW is available now as a free download at www.tascam.com.
Curtis, thanks for this useful review. I have been waiting for this for a while. I will be replacing all of my wireless system to this new system. Much appreciated!
Hey Curtis well done, thorough review as always - thanks. One question: what's your opinion on this Tascam unit vs. the Little DARing vs. the Rode Smart Lav with an iPhone. I've been using the SmartLav with an older iPhone 5c and the Rode recording app and have been getting excellent results for about two years (I have a couple of Sennheiser wireless units that have been collecting dust for a while now). I'm looking to expand and get an additional unit to add to my current single mic set up. Anyway just wondering what your thoughts were on the matter.
Hi Frank, I find the smartLav+ and phone to be a great solution for v-logging and things of that nature, but when it comes to paid jobs, I rather prefer some of the additional features on the dedicated audio recorders like the Tascam and Little DARling. The first and most useful of these features is the locking microphone plug. I don't want a groom to accidentally pull the mic plug out of the recorder and not realize it until its too late. The dual level recording feature is also a great feature to give you options when doing paid jobs. Overall, one can make great recordings with any of these, but when it is a paid job I'm working on, I shy away from the phone option. I hope that makes sense and best wishes!
Hi Curtis, thanks a lot for your video, great as usual! Since this was done in 2016, is there any other recorder you would recommend at this price point now with similar features? Also, which would be your favourite lav mic to substitute the one included that you think would be worth the upgrade? Finally, have you tried already the Clippy Mono Omni? I watched a few videos on RUclips and it seems great for the price but can’t find many reviews for it. Thanks!
Hi Henry, at this price, the 10L is still the best I've used - I haven't had a chance to try the Clippy. The Sanken COS-11D is a solid replacement lavalier, but comes at a substantial price.
love the video. I have an older android cellphone that I use like this as well with other lavalier mics I have. If I have to, I can also use my current android phone as well. I once used my old galaxy s2 in the vest pocket of a groom and recorded for like 2 hours bon stop in uncompressed wav and it was totally usable. This system is way better thanks to the safety track feature. I use that same feature a lot on my Tascam dr40. it is a life saver.
Great video Curtis, I was wondering about how you think this compares to the little darling and which one would you choose if you had to pick for a something like a shot film? I'm trying to debate weather getting 2 of these would be the way to go over getting another little darling.
I think there are tradeoffs between the two. I really liked the durable build of the Little DARling but found the process of having to copy the files to the SD card a little risky (what if I forgot to do that and didn't realize until on location?) Just have to be careful. The DR-10L seemed a little more user friendly though not quite as robust in terms of build quality. If you've already got a Little DARling and don't mind the workflow, I'd probably stick with it.
Thanks for the recommendation! I ended up getting this several months ago and have been really enjoying it! It has all of the features I'd want for a portable recorder. If I'm being picky the recording quality isn't as good as my larger Zoom H4n Pro when using the same microphones, but it's good enough for the type of stuff I do (podcast-style video interviews). I'd like to get a better lav for this than the included one (which isn't great as you've mentioned. Sounds a bit metallic), but am not sure if there are many with locking plugs of this size. I'd like one that locks since this is the unit I pass to other people and don't want them to unplug it. Are there really good mics that lock for this recorder? Do the other ones you've reviewed usually have a locking clip? B&H often doesn't show the connection in their photos.
Hi Pikmeir, yes, almost all of the professional grade microphones come with locking 3.5mm TRS plugs which work with this. In fact, most of this review was recorded with the Sanken COS-11D. It isn't cheap, but it works really nicely: bhpho.to/2Biex11 I also really like the Voice Technologies VT500 which we reviewed here: ruclips.net/video/9c74PsslcOk/видео.html Happy recording!
Hey Curtis, this review was just what I needed! If I'm recording for a full day (12 hours) how much storage would I need and how many batteries? It would be filming for pretty much the whole 12 hours
The included mic is decent. It introduces a little bit of noise, but you'd probably need to spend somewhere around $200 to get a mic that is significantly better in my experience.
This might sound something Homer Simpson would like to have, but having DR-10L type of recorder with wireless transmission would be great. If there would be similiar sized receiver that could control the recorder start/stop etc and you could monitor the audio as well. This would mean that the recorded audio would not get effected by wireless transmission and you could just shut the receiver off when you dont need it. That would be something I would be really interested of.
Hello Curtis and best wishes into 2017 ! Thanks for all the great videos. I have a suggestion for a future episode: Introduction to boompoles, mounts and blimps/deadcats. It would be great to see like 3 grades : entry level , mid level and pro levels of this equipment. I'm trying to upgrade my "broom stick" boompole to proper setup and can't find a good comprihensive introduction to this setup and how it properly fits together. I will end up probably NTG-3 but that's all I have to go with right now. Anyways Happpy New year!
Hey Curtis! Just picked up one of this after watching your review a while back actually. Have my first event tomorrow. Am wondering if you think auto level or mid-level...both with the limiter on...would be the best option? Got an opinion? Thx!
Great vid, thanks for sharing. Question: what is the range of the lavalier mic in terms of distance. If you were to speak to someone, as in an interview environment and they were only a few feet away from you, would it pick up their vocals in a usable quality/volume or would be be safer to record them separately? Thank you
Hi Louie, It will pick them up but the inverse square law applies. Even somebody a few feet away is far quieter in a recording relative to the person wearing the lavalier. Best to have a microphone for both people. Best wishes!
Curtis, Last week I had two Tascam DR-10L's connected to two men outdoors standing 5 feet from one another. Both settings in the DR-10L's were identical internally. When I brought the audio tracks from both recorders into Davinci Resolve 16 there was a pre-echo and sync issue when I wanted to get both people's sound levels equal. I synced up individually both individuals precisely to the audio, but when I try to blend them together no matter if I line them both up automatically or manually I still get a very annoying pre-echo combined with everything being off sync. I can only use the sound of one of the individuals, but this presents a new problem, since both people are 5 feet apart the sound of the person's track I choose to use speaks louder than the other person. I wanted both person's volume to be optimum with this terrible echo and or sync problem. Have you experienced this issue? Can two or more people have these recorders attached and bringing them into a timeline won't present an audio problem?
Hi, it sounds like you may be getting some mic bleed - a common problem with omni-directional lavaliers. In post, you'll want to cut out the mic bleed parts (the part of the track for the person not currently talking) to avoid that echo. This is not unique to the Tascam, it is a just the laws of physics. Best wishes!
@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis, this is the best explanation I got so far. Those omni mikes do have a wide pick-up pattern. Trying to lower the track will still be impossible, because the outdoor city sounds passers-by, vehicles passing will still present the problem even if I attempt to lower the voice of the other person. My option I believe is to purchase the Boya BY-WM8 Pro -k2 DUAL Wireless lab system, at least I think regardless of the lavaliers pick up pattern and no matter of the proximity of two people standing near each other the fact that both transmitters will be going into one receiver, this mic bleed should be eliminated. Am I correct?
I plan to use this for a wedding and put it on the groom. Should I put this in Auto Mode for the sound level? I normally would prefer to use a Manual sound setting, but since the recorder has to also pick up the minister and bride, it seems like Auto Volume might be better. Thanks for your help - this was a great video.
Was looking at getting a Lectro PDR because it is Lectro and is timecode jammable. But, your review makes me think as rarely as I would need a no RF solution, I would be better off with this Tascam and let post deal with sync. Thanks for the review.
Great device, thanks for this review. been looking for something like this to record ATC in aviation applications from a scanner, and from in cockpit coms jack splitters. Cheers.
Curtis, I just went to B&H's site and read that the BOYA BY-WM8 PRO K2 Dual Channel System come with two lavalier mics that have omni-directional polar patterns. Am I correct that the two signals from both receivers going into the SINGLE CHANNEL RECEIVER shall totally eliminate any microphone bleed?
@@curtisjudd Wow. What's the perfect sweet spot 3, 4, 5 or 10 feet from each other. Every Dual Wireless system sold by B&H all come with Omni-directional polar pattern microphones from the cheapest system to the most expensive. How close or far should two people be conducting a two person interview with two Omni mic's? Can you put up a video explaining and demonstrating this issue? What's the proven science? You are the expert that everyone depends on for answers, consumers depend on you, your credibility level is vey high, I'm depending on you for a concrete solution. I can't afford to blow any amount of money on the wrong product. The two individuals I worked with kept a distance of about five feet from each other throughout the shoot, so in my case 5 feet wasn't the sweet spot. I'm depending on you Curtis to help me out. I need a sure thing solution. Why doesn't the owners manual of the Tascam DR-10L alert consumers that using two of these recorders with the supplied microphones can cause "mic bleed"? when two people are 5 feet apart from each other. Using these mics on three or more people must really be a nightmare.
@@TheShabazzProduction Usually, we fix mic bleed in post. You put people at a comfortable distance and mix in post. In post, you attenuate the channel of the person not currently talking. You can do that by actually cutting out that portion, or just automate the fader so that the bleed cannot be heard in the mix. I hope that makes sense?
Thanks so much for this review. Great job. I'd consider getting this. I do some overseas locations and am tired of lugging my Roland R44 and wireless kit. Have you tried a better mic on this: Sanken or other?I have a Tascam DR-10x which is the stick mic equivalent. Have only experimented with it up to now but it can supply 48v phantom power and makes for an extra light recorder for a shotgun or condenser. So small it recently got lost in my audio bag wedged between some velcro dividers. Looks like the 10L is even smaller.
Hi Curtis! Thanks for a great video AGAIN! This recorder comes with the Tascam TM-10LB microphone which I think gives a nice rich and full sound, BUT unfortunately is very noisy so it needs a lot of post tweaking. I have tried using the Rode-lav that came with my wireless Rodelink but that mike does not have the same rich sound, and it has a major problem with static interference when the cable gets close to the transmitter. Do you know of any third party lav-mic (preferably with a screw on sleeve) in the same price range as these mikes, about 70-90 USD, that I can buy to upgrade both the Tascam and the Rodelink to in order to get rid of the static noise in the Rode, and Lower noise floor in the Tascam? ALL WELL From Sweden!
Very nice been waiting for something like this for my weddings for the vows with duel recording. Do you have any control over the backup track Curtis Judd ??Also could i use rode smartlav+ or pro?. And one more thing here in the uk i can't seem to find this model only this Tascam DR - 10CS?.
Hi John, the backup track is always -6dB lower than you set the gain for the primary track. It does not appear that there is an option to change that at present. You can use most any microphone with a TRS 3.5mm plug. That would include the RODE Lavalier (I assume that's what you mean by pro?) but not the smartLav+ which uses a TRRS plug meant for smartphones. You can adapt the smartLav+ to TRS using the RODE SC3 amzn.to/2i4dxFl But then you would lose the locking plug benefit. The DR-10L was released just recently in the US and lacks the output that the 10CS has. The 10CS was originally meant to be used along with a separate wireless system so that you could record audio on the talent, plus also output the audio to a transmitter which would also send the audio to a camera or mixer. The 10CS was restricted in the US because of trademarks held by another company.
Thanks pal ye i did mean the rode pro :). So if I'm correct i need to order it from the US or get the 10CS version what do you think? :). Also merry xmas to you and all your subs mate.
Hey Curtis, thanks for reviewing this. Quick question: how does the mic input on this device compare to that of the the Zoom H1? I know the mic input on the Tascam DR-05 isn't as good as the H1, and was wondering if this device is similar in any way.
Hi, My sense is that the H1 and the Tascam DR-10L inputs are about the same in terms of self noise. They both sound good. Both are better than the DR-05.
I just got one and the noise floor with the included mic sits in the high 50s, like -58ish. Pretty good. A different mic might tickle that up even higher. I'm pretty satisfied for my purposes.
I didn't have them in my possession at the same time so I never got a chance to compare them side by side. However, I think the bigger factor is the microphone you use. With the Sanken COS-11D, they both sounded better.
@@curtisjudd thanks Curtis, like always, you're a valuable beacon of guidance. I don't have the Sankens but do have a few Countryman B3's...and yes sir, they sound better than the lavs included with the Zoom F2's. Also, when and if ever I get financing for a significant project, you'll be the one I'll be reaching out to hire. Wishful thinking right!
I have the DR10X (XLR plugin) version of this that I use with the Sony ECM-77B, since it has its own power supply. So far that has proven an excellent combo. My one complaint: I just find that LCD display tiny and a bit hard to see, especially in daylight, with my eyes at least. Looks like the same display used on this model. Otherwise, this looks like a great piece of kit.
Hey, thanks for the feedback. Good to know! The 10L looks to have an OLED screen and it works great indoors and it ok outdoors but to your point, may not work great for all eyes. Thanks sharing!
Nice test again, thanks! Could be interesting to compare it with the zoom h1 that is pretty different in terms of pros and cons but may also be used as a kind of body pack (and is pretty cheap).
Hey Curtis, wondering if you can help me understand something... From what I can see in the Tascam DR10L manual it says it can provide 2v of plug-in power, and from what I see on the Sanken COS 11d specs it says it requires at least 3v-10v of power. Do you know if this affects the Sanken's output/quality? I'm still shopping between the Tascam DR10L/Zoom F2/Tentacle Sync Track E, but would like to add a higher quality lav than the ones that come with those, ie: the Sanken or a Sennheiser MKE 2 or maybe a Countryman or VT500 etc. I'm worried about the power requirements for those lavs paired with these recorders. Wondering if you have already spoken about this in one of your videos or perhaps can run through it quick in an upcoming stream? Thanks so much!
@@curtisjudd Yea, I mean, sounds great in your video! I was thinking about this particular matter since watching the announcement stream for the Zoom F2, where someone mentioned it can only provide 2.5v plug-in power and therefore not work with some higher end lavs that require more power, like 5v.. which got me worried about which recorder/lav combo to look at. At least I know the Sanken will work with the Tascam. Thanks again.
Hi Curtis, if someone already has a couple good lavs (AT899, B6) - what is the difference in the DR-10L vs. just plugging those into, say a DR-05 / DR-22L?? Doesn't the DR-05 provide "plug-in" power for lavs?? Aside from the size and feature set, not sure I'm seeing the $200 price tag. By the way, the Tascam lav sounds just as good or better than the Sanken (never been a fan of the COS-11D, plus it is overpriced).
Hi, yes, the DR-05 provides plug-in power. My tests suggest that the microphone preamplifier on the DR-10L is improved over the DR-05 in terms of self noise performance (less hiss). I haven't used the DR-22 so I'm not sure how it compares to that. I think the price is justified in cases where you need a smaller device (e.g., hiding the recorder on a bride for a wedding shoot). The safety track recording at lower gain feature is also big. I don't recall seeing that option on the DR-05. I wouldn't suggest that one cannot make good recordings with the DR-05 or 22, but in cases where a smaller recorder is needed and the safety track feature would be helpful, the 10L is worth a look.
But if you're not happy with the included mic, I like the Countryman B6 (pricey option). The Sennheiser ME2 is also good at a slightly more reasonable price. Countryman B6 Review: ruclips.net/video/Lh1qVoBieVI/видео.html Sennheiser ME2 (used to record this episode): ruclips.net/video/--vfpWZIIEY/видео.html
Great review, Curtis, many thanks. Could you tell me if there is any audio drift with the Tascam DR-10L over time when syncing to video on the timeline? I'm currently using a few Sony recorders that use mp3 and there is noticeable drift after ten minutes so the Tascam would be a good upgrade for me.
That depends more on the camera. This recorder is made with the separate recording workflow in mind and I've found it works pretty well up to around an hour with most higher quality cameras. It can be problematic with more consumer oriented cameras and mobile devices.
I can't believe how useful this entire channel is for comparing and learning about anything audio. And I'm absolutely blown away how much interaction there is in regards to answering people questions (even the questions that people could easily Google). Incredible job!
Thanks King Curse!
Another option is the Tascam DR-10C. I know it's not available here in the US but you can easily buy it on eBay. Paid around $210 for mine and it does send the audio to your camera/recorder. I heard this model isn't available in America due copyright infringements... 😔😔 Good video as always!
Thanks for the info Marina!
can't find the dr-10c anywhere :(
nice sharing Marina
A bit baffled by this comment. Read the specs of DR-10C and nothing indicates that it can wireless transmit the audio signal to a receiver...but i am very new and miss the specs. Can you clarify ?
Three years later and this is still a very relevant video. And surprisingly the cost did not drop one cent! These little dudes are fantastic!
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Awesome little recorder. Great option too for those cameras with no audio input.
That's another good case I forgot to mention, thanks for that!
Thorough review as usual. I picked up this little guy a few years ago, and just now pulled it out and used it with a Sony a5000 for fun. The sound quality is surprisingly good from my experience. And I have no problem syncing it in post with DaVinci Resolve. I'm glad I decided to use it again. I think it could be a time saver should my other options fail or run out of power.
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Love your videos. Just subscribed. Keep up the great work! 🙂
Thanks Andre.
It is indeed a very good recorder; smooth sound and easy to use. The explanations given are precise and create a real pleasure!
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Syncing with Pluraleyes is easy. That's what I recommend and I use multiple external recorders to sync to the camera with no issues. It's almost fully automatic. :-) Thanks again for the great video Curtis!
Thanks! Pluraleyes is a good way to solve the syncing problem!
Bushido Photo, LLC I’m HUGE fan of pluraleyes...most important software/gear I have!
Thanks for another great video my friend! It sounds pretty good. I recommended this to one of my professors about a month ago. He needed to record his lectures for an online coarse. Although he has yet to purchase it, when he does you know I am going to "borrow" it from him. ;-)
Cheers,
Greg
Haha! Let me know what you think once you get your hands on it.
Great review Curtis! I got two of these recently and they're so easy to set up. Actually, the dual record combined with the auto setting makes it super easy to just throw on a talent on a basic conversation type of set up and record easily untethered and without the fear of interference, distance, or obstructions. Cheers!
Thanks for that! Great to hear real-world experience of fellow shooters!
Don't know if you know this already, but in June this year they released a new firmware update which adds a bunch of new features (MP3 recording at 128 or 192), choosing -6db or -12db for dual record mode, and level meters displaying during recording.
That’s great news, thanks for the update!
Thank you for this review Curtis! I was impressed myself with all the testing I did. I def love the dual recording set up. Im so glad your review confirmed my decision to keep this product. Thanks for your awesome reviews.
You're welcome and thanks for the feedback!
There we go! The review I've been waiting for! As soon as the dog's walked and the coffee's brewed I'll be sitting down and giving this a watch. Almost as exciting as settling in for the season finale of Westworld....
.... almost. :)
I'm honored that this video would rank anywhere near Westworld. :)
Thank you for committing to the limiter test. You're the man.
If I can get my hands on a 10L 😀
Realy impressed with the smooth audio from that little Tascam. How much magic did you work into post?
I've been experimenting with the Rode lav while recording my blog in the car capturing the audio on my phone, this looks like a nice upgrade from that setup.
No post processing whatsoever. I think the magic is in where the mic is placed. It sounds awesome when hidden under a hat or in hair at the hairline.
Ahhhhhhh the limiter test freaked me out! Lol Excellent video, lots of good info. I'm buying one of these to pair with my Rode Wireless Go so I can sync audio for my Sony A5100 which doesn't have a mic jack.
I hope it works well for you! 👍
lol that limiter test, but nice review
Thanks!
was watching with my headphones up, scared the shit out of me hahaha
Your reviews are so helpful and honest. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Joe, will do!
Great demo as always. Merry Christmas Curtis.
Thanks Danny and Merry Christmas to you! 🎄
Thanks, Curtis. I really appreciate your insights and the thoroughness of your reviews. Great stuff!
Thanks!
I think that another good point is that it is a system with "unlimited tracks". If you do an interview with two people, you can record them to left and right just fine with 2 channel audio. But if there are 3+ people involved, this can be a better solution. For non live production.
Hi, you mean you can add more units for unlimited tracks?
@@curtisjudd well yes, in the simplest and most stupid way possible. You can just keep using more of them to add to people and then sync up the audio in your NLE.
Hey Curtis! I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between this and the Zoom H1 :)
Gay Shrink Any particular reason why? Better pre-amps? Better build quality?
Good idea, thanks for that!
Yea that would be a good comparison..
Curtis Judd
Can you please tell me which is better, this device or the zoom h1, I intend to vlog outdoors with the sony rx 100 Mark v
This unit is also great for podcasters. For those interviews in which your guest has no audio gear or knowledge, we send them one of these. We still do the interview via phone,Zoom, whatever, but have the nice audio file from the DR10. Thus better sound & simple to use for the non techie guest. Just a little shipping.
You also can do the same with Rodes TRRS lav mic. Just ship them the lav, have them record the interview on their smartphone, send you that file and return the mic! Both setups are a double record. As long as they place the lav correctly you are good to go.
Great idea - thanks for sharing!
Dude, consider calling your cell phone while doing the proximity RF interference test to truly test for RF interference. When calls come into your phone is when you'll get interference if you didn't already know. Great video and know I'll look for your review of the Zoom F2.
Yep, good input. F2 review here: ruclips.net/video/2y51ptCAOdI/видео.html
windcover is actually on the inside of the metal grill
Love it. Glad Tascam worked around legal issues that kept predecessor out of U.S. market.
I agree!
The version with a top plate that has pass thru to use it as a backup for wireless is banned.... you can get a replacement top plate on eBay.
Honestly im gonna pick up a few of these for weddings, having the Tascam as a redundancy mic i think will be invaluable. Great review Cutis
Thanks! I agree, good option for even shooting like weddings.
Been waiting for this product review! Thanks a lot. Can't wait to see the new Zoom H1n review and comparisons
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Excellent. One thing to consider for any videographers reading this, having a lav record separately in addition to a camera shotgun mic is often a life saver. Syncing audio from an external source is an extra step, but having 2 sources of audio as a backup could just save a take.
Every situation is different of course, but the more audio sources the better. If the lav fails, you still at least have the camera's audio.
Wireless into the video's audio track is easiest...but ultra risky. If that's your only source...and it fails, drops out, or gets interference...you're stuck.
I know most people reading this already know this. Just mentioning again for anyone just getting started.
Thanks for pointing this out!
Thanks for giving all the review info in the very beginning! Great full review too. Cheers
Thanks Casey.
Wonderful review. answered all my unanswered questions I had. Great job
Glad it helped, thanks!
I also was all wish that it recorded in Mp3. Merry Christmas Curtis!
Thanks Christian, Merry Christmas to you!
I just bought the DR-10L and, while I would give it a demerit for the difficulty I have with the slider for power on/off and record (no fingernails!) I really like the unit. Where it fails for me is not the problem with the DR-10L but probably the lav mic that comes with it. I record motorcycle riding videos for my TexasTwoLane.com RUclips channel and I'm trying to find ways to reduce wind noise. The mic, with both its supplied windscreen and an extra, dead-cat style muff on it and mounted behind the chin guard of my full-face helmet, has a lot of distortion at 70mph. The face of the helmet is open. The Zoom H1 I had been using did a better job but I had been hoping to improve on that. Up until 60-70mph the audio sounds great from the DR-10L. Then, there's more distortion than wind noise. I've experiment with the settings including the Limiter ON and OFF. Please know that I'm a long-time professional network news cameraman and video editor. You mentioned the Sanken COS-11D. Wow. Really expensive! But, if it was the magic elixir to cure strong wind noise, then I would invest in it if I knew which model worked with the DR-10L. Link to the right one please? Finally, yes, I experimented with different mic gain settings going all the way down to the lowest. Still major distortion, just at a lower level. I have Dual Recording going on as well with the second track set to be -12db down. Any suggestions?
Hi Don, do you have any samples online I could watch/listen to? I suspect the wind is still hitting the mic capsule.
i been waiting for this!!!
I hope this helps!
That limiter test made me burst out laughing in public. Great review. Thank you.
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hi curtis, your videos have been an invaluable learning source so
thanks! i have two lavalier mics (sanken cos 11-d and rode lavalier) and
want to do some videos involving two people cooking and chatting. i was
thinking of connecting the lavs to two tascam dr-10/zoom h1n or one of
each. this kind of wired setup fits into my current budget. do you think
this would work well? also would the audio out of the tascam be better
than the zoom or are they comparable? it would be a lot cheaper for me
to get two h1n but if the preamps in the tascam makes worth it, i'd opt
for the tascam. i think the zoom f1 is a little chunky so unless there's
a reason why i should go for it, i think i'd rather the tascam dr-10
i also can buy one set of a used sennheiser g3 receiver and transmitter for about the same price as the tascam dr-10 at the moment so i'm unsure if i should go for that (which would allow monitoring of one microphone, and i could record to the h1n with the other microphone and wait for another cheap g3 to pop up) or just stick with a wired system. i'm inexperienced so am unsure if this would make syncing in post difficult but also don't mind too much and like learning how to do new things
Hi Luca, you could go either way. Note that wireless takes more time to get set, potentially, unless you use it in the same place every time. It definitely gives you the ability to monitor which is good. I guess I'd probably go with the G3. Best wishes!
That dual-channel low/high gain record feature is pretty good. Never had a recorder that can do that.
Yes, pretty nice. Not something I use a lot, but nice to have for those tricky situations where things got suddenly loud.
Yes, a safety track which is invaluable.
This was so helpful!! Thank you! This mic is exactly what I've been looking for.
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still relevant. thank you for the effort and the sharing. do you know if the levels for the dual record function are adjustable or are they set at a specific level (-3db or -6db as an example)? i am an appreciative subscriber. thumbs up.
Hi, it’s been a while since I had this, but my recollection is that the safety track is locked at -6dB. There have been some firmware updates since I borrowed this for the review so it may have changed.
@@curtisjudd you are kind to reply. that is why i subscribe. you are one of my go-tos. thanks. if you are ever in nyc, i owe you coffee!
@@smalltalk.productions9977 Thanks!
great review.. . the audio on your video sounds crystal clear!
Thanks Creator Cast!
I was not prepared for the limiter test. 😂 (wearing headphones)
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Really helpful. Thank you.
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Hey... great video here, very informative, answered all questions I had about this product.
Thanks Odell!
Curtis, I have a pressing concern...I have seen Countryman B3's being used with the DR10L. If I'm not mistaken, the DR10L has a mic bias output of 2 Volts, do you think this adversely affects the noise floor of recordings with the Countryman B3 as it requires 3 Volts? Please advise.
Hi Javier, good question but I'm not sure of the answer. The Sanken mic I used in this video apparently also needs more than the 2V the Tascam provides. It seemed ok, but that's a subjective assessment.
@@curtisjudd I just heard of ZOOM's soon to be released F2 which will offer 32-bit float recording...it will also output 2.5volts. Would the 32-bit float affect such mics in any way? Also, what are your thoughts on the F2 and its 32-bit float recording? Gamechanger? Enabler for the inept such as myself? As always, you are top tier, Curtis....thanks.
@@usernamenotvisibIe Hi Javier, I have placed a pre-order for the F2 so that I can review it. 32-bit float with multiple converters doesn't affect the microphone, but most lavalier microphones can limit the dynamic range you can record. However, for spoken word recording, the F2 or the Tentacle Sync Track E (another 32-bit float body pack recorder) with a decent lavalier will not be easy to distort by over modulating. For body pack recording, 32-bit float significantly reduces the risk of distorted/clipped audio. However, it comes at the cost of additional work in post. Also, it does not solve the problem of forgetting to start the recording or accidentally pulling out a cable or detecting any other sort of interference or microphone failure. So it is a step in the right direction rather than a game changer in my little mind. 😀
This is great. What a slick little recorder!
Pretty cool!
Great video! Do you recommend enabling the "Auto Level" and "Limiter" when recording outdoors?
Hi Luis, I would not recommend using the Auto Level under any circumstances as it has a tendency to lift the noise floor in rather dramatic fashion in between phrases. The limiter is digital so not super helpful, but can save you a little bit of time in post by pre-compressing the transient spikes. But it is still very important to get your gain set correctly with enough headroom for people getting quite loud. Normally, I aim to get the peaks around -18 to -12 at the most. Good luck!
Nice review! Do you know if it's possible to run a 3.5mm plug from the earphone output to a DSLR camera and record direct to the camera file with this recorder?
I suppose you could, yes.
@@curtisjudd Thank you for the quick reply.
Excellent video, great info. I love this mic. Thank you.
Thanks Matthew!
Have you any idea how I switch off the key lock on this recorder.
Come to use it and the keys are locked but I cannot find any mention of this in the manual.
Hi Paul, I'm sorry, I don't remember as I only had this on loan for the review. I'd contact Tascam support. They should be able to help out. Good luck!
looks like a good choice : thanks for your videos :D
Thanks Julian.
This seems like really good value for money
That's the same thing I thought.
Thank you so much Curtis! That was very helpful.
Thanks Mauricio! I hope all is going well for you. Keep up the great work on your films!
Is it possible to use the DR10 - L with a time code unit to input time code via the audio track just like you can of the GH5?
Hi Paul, I don’t believe that would be possible given the single mic input. Some might say you could use a splitter and send audio in one channel, timecode in the other but my experience is that you get crosstalk in unbalanced cables like that (i.e., can hear the timecode signal in the mic channel.)
Thank you.
Classy and informative, as usual - thanks!
Thanks Pascal!
nice sharing, thanks..
Thank you.
Hi Curtis! I have purchased a Tascam DR-10L and I am just getting familiar with it. It really improves my audio...love it!
I would like to ask a logistical questions of you.
I currently use my iphone for recording the video (and the audio that goes with it) and then sync my great Tascam audio later with editing software.
What I do find is that the little Record start/stop control is super tiny and of course the recorder is clipped to by back pocket so it is not easy to access. My inclination is to just leave it on and recording throughout my entire session for efficiency sake. Is this a wise decision? I know that there is the "syncing clap" that needs to happen at the start for easy syncing later on my software. If I chop up the audio and get rid of the unusable recordings, it seems like I will I lose my easy syncing capability.
Hmmm. What is your suggestion? What do you normally do? Thank you so much!
Hi! I usually just let it run for the entire ceremony when shooting weddings
Syncing is no problem?
It isn't easy, but it hasn't created any issues where I could not get them in sync. There are a variety of options to help save time with sync. Most of the major video editing apps can automatically sync the video with the audio clip one by one IF the camera recorded good reference audio. Pluraleyes can make it even faster, again, if the camera captured good reference audio. Timecode generators are the most efficient tools for automating sync in post, but also cost the most. Here's one example: ruclips.net/video/o36XYOPp0BE/видео.html
Another great review Curtis - please keep them coming !
Is it possible to use the DR-10L as a pass-thru using the mic output as an input to a wireless transmitter ?
Sort of double backup
Thanks again
Hi Jay, thanks! The DR-10L unfortunately does not have an output for this purpose but the DR-10CS does. The DR-10CS is available outside the US and is designed specifically for the case you suggested as a pass-through to wireless.
So if I am in Canada I can purchase this?
Also on the list of new features is the ability to record directly to MP3, as well as multiple WAV formats. By recording to MP3, users will be able to record for days on end with a single MicroSD card, which can be a lifesaver on remote shoots or when gathering content at tradeshows and events.
This new firmware for the DR-10X, DR-10SG, DR-10L and DR-10LW is available now as a free download at www.tascam.com.
Thanks Graph Guy.
Curtis, thanks for this useful review. I have been waiting for this for a while. I will be replacing all of my wireless system to this new system. Much appreciated!
Thanks you Victorfilm. I hope they work well for you!
It sounded more than adequate to me. going to look more into this. Thanks for the info.
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Great review! Thank you for making this
Thanks Jonathan.
Hey Curtis well done, thorough review as always - thanks. One question: what's your opinion on this Tascam unit vs. the Little DARing vs. the Rode Smart Lav with an iPhone. I've been using the SmartLav with an older iPhone 5c and the Rode recording app and have been getting excellent results for about two years (I have a couple of Sennheiser wireless units that have been collecting dust for a while now). I'm looking to expand and get an additional unit to add to my current single mic set up. Anyway just wondering what your thoughts were on the matter.
Hi Frank, I find the smartLav+ and phone to be a great solution for v-logging and things of that nature, but when it comes to paid jobs, I rather prefer some of the additional features on the dedicated audio recorders like the Tascam and Little DARling. The first and most useful of these features is the locking microphone plug. I don't want a groom to accidentally pull the mic plug out of the recorder and not realize it until its too late. The dual level recording feature is also a great feature to give you options when doing paid jobs. Overall, one can make great recordings with any of these, but when it is a paid job I'm working on, I shy away from the phone option. I hope that makes sense and best wishes!
looks tempting for purposes of wedding filmmaking, thanks for this review!!
You're welcome!
Hi Curtis, thanks a lot for your video, great as usual!
Since this was done in 2016, is there any other recorder you would recommend at this price point now with similar features?
Also, which would be your favourite lav mic to substitute the one included that you think would be worth the upgrade?
Finally, have you tried already the Clippy Mono Omni? I watched a few videos on RUclips and it seems great for the price but can’t find many reviews for it.
Thanks!
Hi Henry, at this price, the 10L is still the best I've used - I haven't had a chance to try the Clippy. The Sanken COS-11D is a solid replacement lavalier, but comes at a substantial price.
love the video.
I have an older android cellphone that I use like this as well with other lavalier mics I have.
If I have to, I can also use my current android phone as well.
I once used my old galaxy s2 in the vest pocket of a groom and recorded for like 2 hours bon stop in uncompressed wav and it was totally usable.
This system is way better thanks to the safety track feature. I use that same feature a lot on my Tascam dr40. it is a life saver.
Great points. I've done the same with a Zoom H1 but would feel more confident using this when getting paid to shoot a wedding.
100% agree with you.
The cellphone thing is an emergency setup. Id love one or teo of these units.
Looking forward to the review of the Pro version🙏🏽
We’ve got it in house and testing presently. Should have our review around the end of July. 👍
Great video thanks!
Thanks Dr. Reyes! Happy recording!
Excellent review as always.
Thanks Jan!
I can guess your house is so cold.
Yes, I shoot in the basement and we live at 6000 feet altitude in the Rocky Mountains. Brrrrrr....
Great video Curtis, I was wondering about how you think this compares to the little darling and which one would you choose if you had to pick for a something like a shot film? I'm trying to debate weather getting 2 of these would be the way to go over getting another little darling.
I think there are tradeoffs between the two. I really liked the durable build of the Little DARling but found the process of having to copy the files to the SD card a little risky (what if I forgot to do that and didn't realize until on location?) Just have to be careful. The DR-10L seemed a little more user friendly though not quite as robust in terms of build quality. If you've already got a Little DARling and don't mind the workflow, I'd probably stick with it.
Just clap in front of the camera to sync in post. Dead easy and surprising accurate. That is why professional movie makers use clipboards.
Agreed!
Thanks for the recommendation! I ended up getting this several months ago and have been really enjoying it! It has all of the features I'd want for a portable recorder. If I'm being picky the recording quality isn't as good as my larger Zoom H4n Pro when using the same microphones, but it's good enough for the type of stuff I do (podcast-style video interviews). I'd like to get a better lav for this than the included one (which isn't great as you've mentioned. Sounds a bit metallic), but am not sure if there are many with locking plugs of this size. I'd like one that locks since this is the unit I pass to other people and don't want them to unplug it. Are there really good mics that lock for this recorder? Do the other ones you've reviewed usually have a locking clip? B&H often doesn't show the connection in their photos.
Hi Pikmeir, yes, almost all of the professional grade microphones come with locking 3.5mm TRS plugs which work with this. In fact, most of this review was recorded with the Sanken COS-11D. It isn't cheap, but it works really nicely: bhpho.to/2Biex11
I also really like the Voice Technologies VT500 which we reviewed here: ruclips.net/video/9c74PsslcOk/видео.html
Happy recording!
Thank you as always!
Hey Curtis, this review was just what I needed! If I'm recording for a full day (12 hours) how much storage would I need and how many batteries? It would be filming for pretty much the whole 12 hours
Hi Eliza, a 64GB card should cover it. At least 2 sets of rechargeable batteries like eneloop. To be safe, I’d have three sets. Good luck.
@@curtisjudd instructions say 32 GB is maximum capacity.
Great video Curtis - thanks very much.
Thanks Charles
Curtis did you like the lavalier mic that comes with it? is it a condenser mic? or you have other recommendation?
The included mic is decent. It introduces a little bit of noise, but you'd probably need to spend somewhere around $200 to get a mic that is significantly better in my experience.
This might sound something Homer Simpson would like to have, but having DR-10L type of recorder with wireless transmission would be great. If there would be similiar sized receiver that could control the recorder start/stop etc and you could monitor the audio as well. This would mean that the recorded audio would not get effected by wireless transmission and you could just shut the receiver off when you dont need it. That would be something I would be really interested of.
Zaxcom actually has a product like this. Far more expensive than the DR-10L but a really awesome idea!
Hello Curtis and best wishes into 2017 !
Thanks for all the great videos. I have a suggestion for a future episode: Introduction to boompoles, mounts and blimps/deadcats. It would be great to see like 3 grades : entry level , mid level and pro levels of this equipment. I'm trying to upgrade my "broom stick" boompole to proper setup and can't find a good comprihensive introduction to this setup and how it properly fits together. I will end up probably NTG-3 but that's all I have to go with right now. Anyways Happpy New year!
Thank you Zdenek and best wishes on a great 2017 to you. Thank you also for the suggestion - great idea, I have added it to my list.
Brilliant. Thank you very much for your time and effort.
Thanks Wahab Dilawar!
I love your reviews.
Thanks!
Hey Curtis! Just picked up one of this after watching your review a while back actually. Have my first event tomorrow. Am wondering if you think auto level or mid-level...both with the limiter on...would be the best option? Got an opinion? Thx!
Hi Jeff, I would do a sound check and watch the meter while adjusting the input level so that it peaks at about -18 to -12 dB. Good luck!
Great vid, thanks for sharing. Question: what is the range of the lavalier mic in terms of distance. If you were to speak to someone, as in an interview environment and they were only a few feet away from you, would it pick up their vocals in a usable quality/volume or would be be safer to record them separately? Thank you
Hi Louie, It will pick them up but the inverse square law applies. Even somebody a few feet away is far quieter in a recording relative to the person wearing the lavalier. Best to have a microphone for both people. Best wishes!
Thanks
Curtis, Last week I had two Tascam DR-10L's connected to two men outdoors standing 5 feet from one another. Both settings in the DR-10L's
were identical internally. When I brought the audio tracks from both recorders into Davinci Resolve 16 there was a pre-echo and sync issue
when I wanted to get both people's sound levels equal. I synced up individually both individuals precisely to the audio, but when I try to blend
them together no matter if I line them both up automatically or manually I still get a very annoying pre-echo combined with everything being
off sync. I can only use the sound of one of the individuals, but this presents a new problem, since both people are 5 feet apart the sound
of the person's track I choose to use speaks louder than the other person. I wanted both person's volume to be optimum with this terrible
echo and or sync problem.
Have you experienced this issue? Can two or more people have these recorders attached and bringing them into a timeline won't present
an audio problem?
Hi, it sounds like you may be getting some mic bleed - a common problem with omni-directional lavaliers. In post, you'll want to cut out the mic bleed parts (the part of the track for the person not currently talking) to avoid that echo. This is not unique to the Tascam, it is a just the laws of physics. Best wishes!
@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis, this is the best explanation I got so far. Those omni mikes do have a wide
pick-up pattern. Trying to lower the track will still be impossible, because the outdoor city sounds passers-by, vehicles passing will still present the problem even if I attempt to lower the voice of the other person.
My option I believe is to purchase the Boya BY-WM8 Pro -k2 DUAL Wireless lab system, at least I think
regardless of the lavaliers pick up pattern and no matter of the proximity of two people standing near each
other the fact that both transmitters will be going into one receiver, this mic bleed should be eliminated.
Am I correct?
I plan to use this for a wedding and put it on the groom. Should I put this in Auto Mode for the sound level? I normally would prefer to use a Manual sound setting, but since the recorder has to also pick up the minister and bride, it seems like Auto Volume might be better. Thanks for your help - this was a great video.
Hi Tom, I would set up a test before doing that at a wedding. I have never had good luck with auto gain modes.
Was looking at getting a Lectro PDR because it is Lectro and is timecode jammable. But, your review makes me think as rarely as I would need a no RF solution, I would be better off with this Tascam and let post deal with sync. Thanks for the review.
You're most welcome. I'm hoping to get a PDR in for review as well.
Great device, thanks for this review. been looking for something like this to record ATC in aviation applications from a scanner, and from in cockpit coms jack splitters. Cheers.
+Patrick Thompson 👍
Great video. Thank You
You’re welcome!
Great review, thanks!
I'm curious, is an internal battery still required when running off usb power?
No, not required.
Cool, thanks
Curtis, I just went to B&H's site and read that the BOYA BY-WM8 PRO K2 Dual Channel System come with two
lavalier mics that have omni-directional polar patterns. Am I correct that the two signals from both receivers
going into the SINGLE CHANNEL RECEIVER shall totally eliminate any microphone bleed?
No, those will still get mic bleed depending on how close the two people are situated.
@@curtisjudd Wow. What's the perfect sweet spot 3, 4, 5 or 10 feet from each other. Every Dual
Wireless system sold by B&H all come with Omni-directional polar pattern microphones from the
cheapest system to the most expensive. How close or far should two people be conducting a two
person interview with two Omni mic's? Can you put up a video explaining and demonstrating this
issue? What's the proven science?
You are the expert that everyone depends on for answers, consumers depend on you, your credibility
level is vey high, I'm depending on you for a concrete solution. I can't afford to blow any amount of
money on the wrong product.
The two individuals I worked with kept a distance of about five feet from each other throughout the
shoot, so in my case 5 feet wasn't the sweet spot.
I'm depending on you Curtis to help me out. I need a sure thing solution. Why doesn't the owners
manual of the Tascam DR-10L alert consumers that using two of these recorders with the supplied
microphones can cause "mic bleed"? when two people are 5 feet apart from each other. Using these
mics on three or more people must really be a nightmare.
@@TheShabazzProduction Usually, we fix mic bleed in post. You put people at a comfortable distance and mix in post. In post, you attenuate the channel of the person not currently talking. You can do that by actually cutting out that portion, or just automate the fader so that the bleed cannot be heard in the mix. I hope that makes sense?
Thanks so much for this review. Great job. I'd consider getting this.
I do some overseas locations and am tired of lugging my Roland R44 and wireless kit. Have you tried a better mic on this: Sanken or other?I have a Tascam DR-10x which is the stick mic equivalent. Have only experimented with it up to now but it can supply 48v phantom power and makes for an extra light recorder for a shotgun or condenser. So small it recently got lost in my audio bag wedged between some velcro dividers. Looks like the 10L is even smaller.
+Craig Duddles yes, works great with the COS-11D.
Hi Curtis! Thanks for a great video AGAIN! This recorder comes with the Tascam TM-10LB microphone which I think gives a nice rich and full sound, BUT unfortunately is very noisy so it needs a lot of post tweaking. I have tried using the Rode-lav that came with my wireless Rodelink but that mike does not have the same rich sound, and it has a major problem with static interference when the cable gets close to the transmitter. Do you know of any third party lav-mic (preferably with a screw on sleeve) in the same price range as these mikes, about 70-90 USD, that I can buy to upgrade both the Tascam and the Rodelink to in order to get rid of the static noise in the Rode, and Lower noise floor in the Tascam?
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I’m sorry, I don’t know of any great options in the sub $100 range that outperforms these.
Very nice been waiting for something like this for my weddings for the vows with duel recording. Do you have any control over the backup track Curtis Judd ??Also could i use rode smartlav+ or pro?. And one more thing here in the uk i can't seem to find this model only this Tascam DR - 10CS?.
Hi John, the backup track is always -6dB lower than you set the gain for the primary track. It does not appear that there is an option to change that at present. You can use most any microphone with a TRS 3.5mm plug. That would include the RODE Lavalier (I assume that's what you mean by pro?) but not the smartLav+ which uses a TRRS plug meant for smartphones. You can adapt the smartLav+ to TRS using the RODE SC3 amzn.to/2i4dxFl But then you would lose the locking plug benefit. The DR-10L was released just recently in the US and lacks the output that the 10CS has. The 10CS was originally meant to be used along with a separate wireless system so that you could record audio on the talent, plus also output the audio to a transmitter which would also send the audio to a camera or mixer. The 10CS was restricted in the US because of trademarks held by another company.
Thanks pal ye i did mean the rode pro :). So if I'm correct i need to order it from the US or get the 10CS version what do you think? :). Also merry xmas to you and all your subs mate.
I'd go with the 10CS so that you have the local warranty. Merry Christmas!
Hey Curtis, thanks for reviewing this. Quick question: how does the mic input on this device compare to that of the the Zoom H1? I know the mic input on the Tascam DR-05 isn't as good as the H1, and was wondering if this device is similar in any way.
Hi, My sense is that the H1 and the Tascam DR-10L inputs are about the same in terms of self noise. They both sound good. Both are better than the DR-05.
I just got one and the noise floor with the included mic sits in the high 50s, like -58ish. Pretty good. A different mic might tickle that up even higher. I'm pretty satisfied for my purposes.
Very informative video, will be considering his as an option.
Thanks Joseph.
Good afternoon Curtis, how comparable is the sound of the new Zoom F2 to the Tascam DR10L?
I didn't have them in my possession at the same time so I never got a chance to compare them side by side. However, I think the bigger factor is the microphone you use. With the Sanken COS-11D, they both sounded better.
@@curtisjudd thanks Curtis, like always, you're a valuable beacon of guidance. I don't have the Sankens but do have a few Countryman B3's...and yes sir, they sound better than the lavs included with the Zoom F2's. Also, when and if ever I get financing for a significant project, you'll be the one I'll be reaching out to hire. Wishful thinking right!
I have the DR10X (XLR plugin) version of this that I use with the Sony ECM-77B, since it has its own power supply. So far that has proven an excellent combo. My one complaint: I just find that LCD display tiny and a bit hard to see, especially in daylight, with my eyes at least. Looks like the same display used on this model. Otherwise, this looks like a great piece of kit.
Hey, thanks for the feedback. Good to know! The 10L looks to have an OLED screen and it works great indoors and it ok outdoors but to your point, may not work great for all eyes. Thanks sharing!
Nice test again, thanks! Could be interesting to compare it with the zoom h1 that is pretty different in terms of pros and cons but may also be used as a kind of body pack (and is pretty cheap).
Good idea, thanks for that!
Hey Curtis, wondering if you can help me understand something... From what I can see in the Tascam DR10L manual it says it can provide 2v of plug-in power, and from what I see on the Sanken COS 11d specs it says it requires at least 3v-10v of power. Do you know if this affects the Sanken's output/quality? I'm still shopping between the Tascam DR10L/Zoom F2/Tentacle Sync Track E, but would like to add a higher quality lav than the ones that come with those, ie: the Sanken or a Sennheiser MKE 2 or maybe a Countryman or VT500 etc. I'm worried about the power requirements for those lavs paired with these recorders. Wondering if you have already spoken about this in one of your videos or perhaps can run through it quick in an upcoming stream? Thanks so much!
Hi Dave, you can listen to the samples here to see if you think it degrades the audio quality. It does not appear to have damaged my COS-11D.
@@curtisjudd Yea, I mean, sounds great in your video! I was thinking about this particular matter since watching the announcement stream for the Zoom F2, where someone mentioned it can only provide 2.5v plug-in power and therefore not work with some higher end lavs that require more power, like 5v.. which got me worried about which recorder/lav combo to look at. At least I know the Sanken will work with the Tascam. Thanks again.
Hi Curtis, if someone already has a couple good lavs (AT899, B6) - what is the difference in the DR-10L vs. just plugging those into, say a DR-05 / DR-22L?? Doesn't the DR-05 provide "plug-in" power for lavs?? Aside from the size and feature set, not sure I'm seeing the $200 price tag.
By the way, the Tascam lav sounds just as good or better than the Sanken (never been a fan of the COS-11D, plus it is overpriced).
Hi, yes, the DR-05 provides plug-in power. My tests suggest that the microphone preamplifier on the DR-10L is improved over the DR-05 in terms of self noise performance (less hiss). I haven't used the DR-22 so I'm not sure how it compares to that. I think the price is justified in cases where you need a smaller device (e.g., hiding the recorder on a bride for a wedding shoot). The safety track recording at lower gain feature is also big. I don't recall seeing that option on the DR-05.
I wouldn't suggest that one cannot make good recordings with the DR-05 or 22, but in cases where a smaller recorder is needed and the safety track feature would be helpful, the 10L is worth a look.
Great videos Curtis, would you recommend purchasing another lav mic to go with this system?
+Seong Pugh I would start with the included mic and replace it if you are not satisfied with the sound.
But if you're not happy with the included mic, I like the Countryman B6 (pricey option). The Sennheiser ME2 is also good at a slightly more reasonable price.
Countryman B6 Review: ruclips.net/video/Lh1qVoBieVI/видео.html
Sennheiser ME2 (used to record this episode): ruclips.net/video/--vfpWZIIEY/видео.html
Thanks very much Curtis, you've taught a lot about audio and video. Very much appreciate all of your hard work and thoughtful responses!
Thanks Seong!
Great review, Curtis, many thanks. Could you tell me if there is any audio drift with the Tascam DR-10L over time when syncing to video on the timeline? I'm currently using a few Sony recorders that use mp3 and there is noticeable drift after ten minutes so the Tascam would be a good upgrade for me.
That depends more on the camera. This recorder is made with the separate recording workflow in mind and I've found it works pretty well up to around an hour with most higher quality cameras. It can be problematic with more consumer oriented cameras and mobile devices.
@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis, I'm using a pro Panasonic AC160 camera that has xlr inputs running at 50fps full HD.
@@chrishewitt9721 should be fine for clips up to an hour long.