How TDS Became a CASHGRAB Type Game || Tower Defense Simulator
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I hate that tds ended up like this but it’s not TDS’s fault since the roblox pay system is pretty bad and they have a big developer studio to pay so there really is no other option.
Yea back then only like 4-5 people with a few scripters, a modeller, a builder, a animatior, and a composer but now they have alot of people in the team so yea.
I agree with most of what was said, but this is a good point, roblox only puts the games that make the most money for them on the home page.
Which is why turning a roblox game into a business is generally a bad idea, even with the free servers. To get any profit, you have to sell out. If you want to make money off a game, using Unity and Steam would be far better. Roblox Games should strictly be hobby-based.
It's hard to earn enough money for living, if you are a Roblox game developer. In order to get money, you would like, your game must be Pet Simulator 99 and you must be Preston.
Let's say you were paid 100 robux. Roblox will take away some of this amount and then the rest of your robux are getting converted into real life money. Because Roblox's formula of converting robux sucks, you will barely get any money.
They made the ui so good that they cant pay for it
a few reasons I can see why this is happening:
1) roblox recommendation system is really geared towards the games that have alot of gamepasses, there is even a catagory for games with subscriptions.
2) the developers trying to keep up with the new weekly updates has been either, the best or worst choice they have made, as they have had to hire a lot of new devs to keep up with the constant updates.
3) new player grinding can be overwhelming at times, so below/paradoxium might add options for newer players to skip the grinding, personally I don't like giving new players a way to skip the grind, but it is a possibility as many towers are locked behind hours of gameplay, and a payed alternative can be bought alot if priced right
They should stop doing the weekly updates. The real reason why we were mad of the slow updates back then is because they mostly take 8 months to even a year to add. But all of them are usually not worth the wait because it's mostly just 1 singular mode with a new tower. While that's cool and all. But is it really worth waiting 8 months for that?
I know some ppl are gonna say
"How about make your own game and see how hard it is to make an update"
If they actually respond like this. Then that means they are a no life.
@@X_Killer7 i like it
@@X_Killer7 not gonna go against it but how is it "no life"
@@Dravi0n Because most ppl that say this type of sentence is usually ppl who are online almost all the time/People who lack common knowledge. Which means that even if they hear an opinion that they don't like. They will just bombard them with dumb and easy to counter responses like
"Make your own game then"
"Then don't play the game if you don't like it"
Or even say "Get a life" even tho they most likely don't have a life of their own yet.
Thus making them a no life if they say that sentence.
@@X_Killer7 fr it should be atleast monthly yet decently bigger updates instead of weekly yet smaller updates
Finally, the “simulator” part of tower defense simulator comes out
Speak them facts buddy
So u telling me I wont exist no more if tds get exposed 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
lmfao
@@DefenderDuck also DUCKY DEFENDER MY BROTHER
back to tower battles ig!!11
I feel like tds’s way of monetizing their game is more tame than what other games do to monetize their game
these people have never seen true cash grab stuff
Bro the game is not a cashgrab his just high
Tds is still kinda like a cashgrab, but it is still high quality
@@pylotheric9777 True, it isn't a cash grab yet. I think 599 for the slasher is too much, but everything else isn't a cash grab since you can get it from playing the game and it isn't that hard to get. Even the slasher, you were able to get for free, but most people will have to buy it.
The real pay to win comes from the amount of money people spend on events gems and coins people underestimate how big of a problem its becoming
Like a year ago TDSs cartoony style was good and not overdone but now its just icky, I knew something weird was gonna happen when they made the windows in the military base rework
also the outline for the tds thumbnails look low quality asf and they just copy and paste, look at the solar eclipse event thumbnail (one where umbra and penumbras are in the center and there’s a bunch of her enemies) compared to the fallen thumbnail
they have no ideas
@@AFnECRtDFtdd what windows
@@Specx579military base windows
Mainly cuz with small content the artist of TDS make simple art while when he busy on major update, he would make more quality one like fallen rework
@@Specx579the windows in the cars
ngl the monetization for the game is really not that bad, its just cosmetics and other perks that arent necessary at all like vip or the spin wheel. you dont have to pay money to progress neither, since its relatively easy to just grind xp and currency for towers (tho hardcore grinding does take way too long but theyre most likely working to change that anyways so). there are some things that are paywalled that shouldnt (most notably being able to pick a specific map which is genuinely stupid that its exclusive to vip members or private servers, even fucking tb has that for free LMAOOO) but other than that the monetization is generally fine especially considering that there are now A LOT of devs to be paid. the real issue with the game is the gameplay, content, and presentation that all need huge improvement
Based comment, honestly.
Fr
tbh vip perks like picking maps or autksip are understandable because spending 350 robux for some premium crates and exp boost is just not worth and tempting.
Not only that they buffed mode XP and gold rewards now , fallen is the best mode to grind
@@leonardotrujillo8661devex rate:
I have a lot of mixed opinions about this, considering that I was defending them months ago, listen I believe that Roblox games need to be cash grabs to some extent because they are taxed heavily by Roblox. In TDS this year they managed to crank out an update almost every single week so far, which is very impressive. I think that was mainly possible because of their constant addition of plushies and micro transactions. But I also have to note that if you were to play any game on steam or Xbox or PlayStation, you will have a hard time finding lots of games that proudly boast about micro transactions. It’s a very Roblox thing to do and at this point to determine if it’s out of greed or necessity, we would have to be on the paradoxum team. They certainly needed more money this year to crank out that many updates and I’m fine with it as long as micro transactions aren’t every single update they’re making. Hopefully they’ve added enough stuff this year so 2025 they can focus on more content updates.
people talk about how "roblox games are greedy" but we need to talk about how "roblox is greedy" because devex rates are absolutely abysmal, no wonder they make so many plushies and so much monetization. they need it to pay their devs.
I think tds has gotten a bit better than it was a year ago. Skin crates are now obtainable for free now. You used to only be able to get one deluxe crate for free a year ago so it’s progress
*progress* do you know how rare it is to get a weekly quest on phantom/deluxe crate?
@@Triste_floconidk about you but I get one every couple weeks, there's also a deluxe in login rewards so that's that
@@Triste_floconI had the chance to get a deluxe crate on weekly quests, daily bonus after day 30, and spin wheel so yes there is progress 🙂.
@@Triste_floconi've been pretty lucky i got a phantom crate,
next week i got a deluxe and 3 weeks after that i got another phantom
@@Vicegamervbro I just keep getting low grade consumable crates, that's not fair
mfers when a large development team needs to be paid:
Mfers trying to defend TDS as if it is their only job:
Besides that… having a Roblox game being a job is so financially unsustainable due to the instability of the position. It’s a ton of nerd shit that I don’t think you want me to go on about… just know that you shouldn’t rely on a Roblox game
Tbh there are already super rich from this game they just want more money but can you blame them
@@conuy4663 but you still get my point right?💀😭
@@Kneecaptainno no one gets your shit because tds is already making way more money than they need
@@WinterIsBac roblox taking away 70% of their income due to misleading devex:
First, you criticize for the sake of criticizing and bashing rather than trying to suggest changes or give feedback.
Next, you completely ignored the fact that they reduced gamepass prices sometime in mid 2024 due to community feedback. It seems like you're just focusing on 1 part of the picture and not even looking at the counterarguments.
Third, a cashgrab game is a game that exists ONLY to take your money and not improve. Tell me, if TDS WAS a cashgrab, why are they spending a lot of time looking for feedback, developing statistics to help them analyze data, rework modes and towers to make the game better? And lastly, why are they consistently pumping out weekly updates that 95% of the time are free? I don't see the logic here.
Gamepasses - Valid, but the majority of them are literally useless. Only good ones are gatling, mercenary base and engi. You're better off grinding for everything else, and even then I'd argue that grinding is so much better than spending robux on these.
PS99 comparison - proved my point that ps99, despite having LESS gamepasses and no subscription still costs more than tds. not to mention that you can't even get any of those gamepasses for free. At least in TDS you can grind for them, in PS99 it's either spend or leave the game because you won't be able to get the buffs.
Spinny Wheel - not really a big deal. People who use this to criticize the game are so obviously hating on the game and don't have other valid reasons to criticize the game. You won't even be using it a lot of the time, and there's nothing the devs can do without getting hated on when it comes to this feature. They obviously can't nerf it otherwise they'll be called greedy and cheap. If they keep it the same then people will still criticize it for being useless, and if they buff it then it's suddenly a p2w feature and they're "prioritizing paid updates over actual content". It's a lose-lose, so it's best to just keep it as is.
Demoman and 600 coins - probably a mistake, and nothing too big. Kinda you being cheap cuz demoman costs like 200 or something to buy, which you can get from one game of easy.
Starter Bundle - every game has a starter bundle. It's literally normal, not a sign that the game is a cashgrab.
Revive Tickets - i'll give you that one
Spin Tickets - ties in to my spinny wheel point.
Timescale Tickets - GOD, the amount of times I've seen whiny babies complain about tickets being too hard to obtain or being paid is INSANE. You literally get them for free by just logging in, playing games and completing challenges.
Quests and refilling - you're better off just waiting, and I don't see anybody using this feature at all. Below said it himself that if there isn't a way to profit off a feature one way or another, it's simply not worth the time and resources.
Mission skip - Most missions can be completed in less than 4 hours of gametime, and assuming you play for 1 hour a day, that's nearly 2 missions every week. Yeah, the feature is not even worth it. It's just a quick way to get out of it. Missions are catered towards end game players, so obviously they won't pay real money just to lose out on content and replayability just for a skin.
Credits - Again, they aren't even worth it and were there from the very start. Every game has these, and it would be stupid not to include them. They also SUPPORT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, they're meant for people who really like the game and want to support the devs. And since you decided to compare with btd6, i can say btd6 is a cashgrab now because it literally costs money to play. Yeah, BTD6 is a cashgrab because it costs money to play, fight me.
Map override - are 8 maps not enough for you? There's no noticeable difference apart from insane maps which only strat youtubers play, it doesn't matter at all. And I'm fine with this, because vip was useless b4 the override update and now you're actually getting your money's worth with a little convenient thing that you can use.
VIP voting - it literally only boosts votes by 2x. Don't see a problem with it.
challenge maps - okay I suppose? You guys were complaining that there's no replayable content, and now you have it...
Towers with no robux option - brawler and trapper have no robux option, you have to buy coins or gems in order to get them, and its so much easier to grind for them. Again, the thing with TDS gamepasses is that a lot of them are either not really worth the cash or just cosmetic.
Gamemode reworks - "content wise they dont add that much" the fallen revamp added a crap ton, I don't see the problem.
Admin gamepass - YOU HAD EVERY CHANCE TO SUGGEST A NEW IDEA. I know damn well that you went after corso, meaning you clearly heard of the admin gamepass and you didn't even suggest a solution. This ties to my other point that you criticize for the sake of criticizing and not to help the game become better.
Thumbnails - before I start, I just want to say that when there's something to compliment, you won't compliment it. But when there's something to CRITICIZE, you'll do it. For thumbnails, we got a few dozen good ones in a row like the fallen revamp or merc base thumbnail. I doubt you even paid attention to those and just shrugged them off, because that's what you do. You criticize when you can and ignore when they do things correctly.
I ABSOLUTELY HATE HOW PEOPLE BRING THIS UP. Yes, the thumbnails are worse but as time goes on I actually understand it more and more. First off, I'm 99% sure that it's just a meme or they're just testing out new thumbnail features. It's no secret that below loves experimenting with TDS when it comes to basically everything. So that's why there's different thumbnail styles.
100% of people who say "TDS is a cashgrab" just can't provide logical reasoning and factual evidence, they all bring up the same points which are very flawed and easily disproven. And when you DO disprove them, they call you a TDS glazer and laugh at you, so there's literally no winning if you're trying to provide a counter argument.
dude you're out here doing my job on responding thank you 🙏🙏eggs video made no fucken sense, love ya bro
LITERALLY MY IDOL
What a legend
Imagine below come out of nowhere and said he was 3 step ahead
oh my god this is the best shit ive ever heard comming from a tds player in my entire life ❤️🥹
Me when a large studio requires money to run
They gotta make money somehow
They have to make money, but this is just too much. Watch the video and he makes some great points
Tds player when Dev try to make money :
buddy they are already filthy rich
@@iRoosterr as much as I hate to say this, but a company still needs funds regardless of how rich they are. The devs cannot just get money from their own pockets, otherwise they'd leave Paradoxum (unless if they're passionate devs), but to be honest... To put my input here, updates should be bi-weekly or monthly, so that it takes less work and less funds... I mean I can certainly wait for updates, though I'm not sure if kids could do the same.
How can you compare TDS with Pet Sim? Almost everything in TDS can be obtained for free and that’s most definitely not the case for Pet Sim.
To be honest, I played pet sim for a few months and got completely sucked into paying for the game. I spent way too much on it and now I definitely regret that. However I’ve been playing TDS since 2020 and own most of the towers yet I haven’t spent robux on it. It just shows that the monetization system in TDS is much more friendly than almost every other Roblox game.
@@Mango_Therapyyou really spend ribux in tds for towers?you can get them free bro......
I play begin halloween event 2020 lord sinister and now i have 95% thing in tds if started this event.(i have toxic gunner too)
@@СлаваМалько-и3м did you read carefully what he said, he said that he owns most of the towers and haven't spent a single robux on it. He said he paid in Pet Sim, not TDS
@@СлаваМалько-и3мevent towers
pet sim sucks, the end.
And you should not compare TDS with pet Sim 99 because pet Sim 99 all those game passes you cannot get without buying it with Robux. The game passes in TDS. You can get originally without game passes so my opinion tds is not a cash grab
exactly to me it’s sound like people are just angry because they had to grind and people who have the money didn’t. and pet sim 99 has no passion whatsoever and is actually a cash grab game.
if there are less gamepasses doesn't that mean you get less stuff for more robux though?
TDS actually has a game to play unlike Pet Sim 99
@@thesmileman6931yeah ☠️
And admin game pass. They need to make it a lot of money because people can use it for bad things because it’s admin commands. It would probably make the game less fun for others so I won’t be surprised if it’s $5200 because it’s admin commands you can do anything with them
this is honestly a good point to make but i dont realy see the issue with gamepasses here scince most stuff here is still entirely optional and you could just grind for most of these wich inst even that hard and some of it realy dosent matter like the skin packs, VIP, emotes
what i do have a problem is having the grind for coins and gems be kinda just terrible, hardcore is some of the least fun in TDS and its super outdated and grinding coins just takes too long
the core game itself its still fun to play in my opinion i dont have much to complain besides the grind that sucks especialy for golden towers along with hardcore towers
also to put into perspective here from what ive seen, even buying like a 3000 Robux gamespass is like just handing the whole dev team just 12 bucks (i could be very wrong here and this could be lower) scince roblox steals so much from the devs normaly so i can kinda understand the large amount of monetization given how roblox forces devs to kinda be overly greedy especialy if its a whole team of people
also the thing with thumbnails, i dont like them either but i think it realy is just kinda of a waste of money and time to make an amazing piece of art for something so small as a normal mode rebalance
dissagre with me all you want, this is just my take on it, personaly i dont see that much of a problem
Togeluga why cant you tank a signle hit🙏
@@MidstenGuyIgBecause Ponos sucks at balancing.
You haven't true form it@@MidstenGuyIg
Good points are made, but i fell like calling it a cashgrab is stretching it. The game is still quality and actually good even if you pay for anything.
Monetization is tame enough, though paywalling QoL features Like autoskip and chossing maps behind VIP is questionable, if the game really was a cashgrab then they would be soukd separately at same price as VIP.
The point i wanna make is, the devs are probably (hoepfully atleast) focusing on quality first, payment later. Its not as cashgraby as petsim, where it seems like the point of the updates are to add new egss to gamble with, and maybe a new world for you to grind in.
Tds players trying not to screw up every single update(i bet 5 bucks the community is gonna complain if the holloween event gets delayed then get mad when it gets rushed)
The biggest problem of TDS isn't hardcore or balancing, but the community.
I absolutely hate most of the community, because they just complain about everything.
Nerfs? COMPLAINTS!
Skins? COMPLAINTS!
Buffs? COMPLAINTS!
The moment I started to have a serious problem with them is when they cried that they ruined ace pilot (current one), but it was the most minor change (Lvl 0 and 1 swaped stat changes) in the game and I went mad because they complained about something THIS minor.
I often watch TDS RUclipsr for opinions, because I think they are professional egnoth to not act like children.
But now Eggrypted has made this idiotic video.
Im just ashammed the TDS community is like that.
@@user-xh4ov1so1p and all this shit was because of a thumbnail that barely anyone talking about
The hating on tds team in the comments is just insane...
thank god some people are defending the game (i want to type a lot of stuff on why its not tds team fault, but it seems that people already did).
The TDS community point out all the problems but the actual one.
The biggest problem of TDS isn't hardcore, grinding, balancing or even monetization.
Its biggest problem is itself or more specifically its community.
I love paradoxum studios because they are so determined and great people who genuinely care for their game.
Meanwhile most of the TDS community only hate and never appreciate their hard work.
This situation got so bad that @Brazil0987 (Rage Baiter) started to get serious and defend the game and I can't do anything but appreciate it.
I also appreciate people like you. People who genuinely care about the game and only want the best for it.
For that I can only say:
Thank you.
@@Hyperlaser_Merc No.Thank you for making me realize that there are some awesome people in the community like you, who support devs and knows how tiring it is to be a dev for a huge community.
@@Hyperlaser_Merc I think tds should listen to the community a bit more. Weekly updates may seem awesome but it has too much cons against pros. I hope tds see that it's better for their game to take their time on updates instead of rushing every week on a single little update.
They would listen to us if most of the community wasn't so inmature, @@louie-t2e. I get what you mean and you are correct, but they can't trust us, because they only get screamed at.
Thank you, @@The_Mistake :D
TDS community discovers capitalism and inflation
(did y'all forgot that there's a company behind the game and the dev team isn't just below and raz like in 2019 - 2022. More people -- reduced paycheck -- i think you know what's next)
@@SillyCato._ then taxes.
@@haiphanduy27wtf does taxes? Shit, I just evade them lmao.
I still think this level of monetization is still aggressive
There is a difference between making a monetized game and making a game that is incredibly pay to win, such as being able to skip entire season passes, skip missions, skip grinding, go on a gambling wheel, and literally pay to revive yourself in the middle of a match.
@@PITSAL this is true
Just because TDS have gamepass Doesn't mean its a Cashgrab
Your going to not care about it the next video. Why does it even matter at this point, you still like the game, and even if it does have some genuine flaws (more specifically a need for better grind + more end-game material), I don’t believe this game is going to ever fall into a dark phase at all, and has been doing a lot better compared to what it once was a few years ago.
Bro talks about something without even knowing what he talks about
Calling tds a cashgrab game is dumbest thing ive ever heared since no gamepass gives you any advantages
Unlike Pet sim 99. (He compared them).
people when a massive development team give you the choice to optionally purchase stuff to help people with a life and support the devs: “ItS MoNeY hUnGeRy!!11”
this happened ever since they got 15+ more devs, they need more money to pay their developers, their annual expenses for payroll is like.. 2mil usd from what beefchoplets said
probably more than that now
I have first played TDS in 2019 in the gladiator event, and I totally agree with all your points.
TDS started as below's school project, then it lost all its charm and soul it had in the hardcore update.
TDS players who still defend the game have become trapped in the "sunk cost fallacy" mentality, they refuse to look at the game objectively because they already wasted too much time on this game. I'm not gonna lie, when I first subscribed to you, I was also like this. For some reason I felt like I would have achieved everything in life if I unlocked every golden skin (I did not).
I was honestly pleasently surprised to see you make such a video, considering that it's the only game you make videos on.
@@lymphocytes5348 nostalgia blind is crazy
Nostalgia blinding bro so hard till he becomes stevie wonder
take those rose tinted glasses OFF my guy.
Nobody who says "tds lost its charm" can actually explain what this charm is. And in fact I can probably explain that "charm" better than the majority of you people.
- copied tb every update
- low quality slop
- no vfx and clean transitions
- basic roblox animations that were ALL the same
- modes were just reskins of others
now in current tds...
- original content (slightly inspired by other games but mostly creative)
- decent graphics
- very high quality vfx and good transitions
- unique animations AND different animation sets
- modes with unique enemies that have unique gimmicks exclusive to that mode only.
TDS players who still defend the game are the ones who unironically still play the game. 90% of haters just look at a video and say "tds sucks now" without trying it out and providing CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK on what's wrong with it.
This is the problem with every one of you people, you just say 'tds has lost its charm" and "this game sucks now and the ppl who defend it cant look at the game right". The truth is, you're saying that out of spite and not out of decency and basic manners to help the game become better.
not gonna waste my time with these obvious ragebaits lmao
congratulations to the first two who replied on this argument. You have officially won, because the original commenter has given up and in an attempt to anger you, has accused you of ragebait because they don't have any valid counterarguments. Give yourself a pat on the back folks!
Just a thing to note: ALL GAMEPASSES ARE OPTIONAL. and some of them are also not worth it to begin with either.
The problem is that they're rushing with the updates, I don't think developing an update for 6 months is ok, but doing this every week is not ok too. There are only good updates every 3 weeks or a month. So they're spending a lot of money on developers and trying to get as much or more money from players. If you stop updating weekly, I don't think the players will just disappear.
I got hated when I said this to the community when trapper update came out but if TDS wants new players it must do so
Your first point was that the Store in the game's page is very expensive and the subscription
its not the devs fault that a player the first thing they do when the click a game is see the gamepasses and i don't find fair to call TDS greedy for that
your second point is that for a new player the game doesn't have a good presentation wich is kinda true seeing that giant gambling spin wheel
The Third point is that there's a bunch of payment options, i think this argument is wrong
1. I think is better to have that alternative of robux that players can use if they are lazy instead of only 4 gamepasses that are only crates, vips and having to grind for everything
2. Most of the Gamepasses, Credits, Skipping Quest, Tickets, the Starter bundle and VIP servers are not very hard to get leaving with only 2 things you can buy that you actually need to buy them if you really want them (skins & VIP+)
The last Point of throwing payment options... lets really call TDS like that when half of the screen is cover of gamepasses
I kinda agree with some of the last part of the video but the 3 points i think they are just wrong or am i wrong? i do really do not know how to end this comment so i will end it here ig
A alternative is good much but literally every important tower hardcore/level/event are just buyable with robux the spinning wheel feature just shouldnt have exist time scale tickets should be a free feature most ''f2p'' features arent many also vip or vip+ is just makes games main point ''grinding'' easier with tons of more boosts do ı also need to mention majority of the skins are locked behind paywall? plushies ultimate few days exclusive deluxe crate only skins?
@@tyrant8093 well you can get time scale tickets for free and are really easy to get to!
you get like 4 time scale tickets from weekly challanges.
AND you can get them by playing normal (10% chance to get 2 time scale tickets).
and honestly i feel like they should keep them that way since you can stop your game and micro towers easilly which is really op
TDS meatriders on their way to defend their favorite "game"
@@SomeOne-ph1gw this ain’t sols rng bro
@@SomeOne-ph1gwyou have 27 comments on this channel alone saying the same thing when do you call it quits dawg 😭
The TDS situation is crazy.
australia has banned loot boxes, which should be a tell tale sign that the devs shouldn’t keep adding skins to those crates as other countrys will probably follow, such as new zealand and the uk.
The rent cannot be that high😭😭
I will say, at the very start when TDS was compared to PS99, yeah from a "first looks" stand-point, it can be taken as "very similar", but the thing that TDS makes clear if you look at few of the gamepasses, is that it's just a way you bypass the grind. Meaning it's advertising it as "it's possible to get this for free without any irl money spending." That's partially why I never really had the problem of seeing TDS make new gamepasses (like gatling gun). But, I will say some things they're doing aren't too great either. Like the game isn't necessarily "beginner friendly" nor is it "casual" for any real experience. If you want something like gatling gun, it's definitely more incentivized to buy it with robux, as F2P users will take a very long time grinding to level 175 plus an additional 35k coins. In some cases, TDS is fine, but in others, it's just as bad as PS99.
TLDR: The fact that TDS gives a free option for a lot of stuff is nice and all, but it's definitely "encouraging" people to spend a lot of money.
i dont really see a problem with gatling gun being as hard to get as it is because why would it not take a long time to buy what is one of the best and most op towers in the game?
I think you are mixing up pet sim 99 with pet sim x
The gatling gun argument is stupid using your logic all the best towers should be free gatling gun NEEDS to be grindy because of how good it is to begin with same with G crates and gem towers your getting what you worked for
Also gatling gun isn't incentivized literally all the level towers are buyable why are you only using gatling gun when you have a bunch of level towers like, pursuit, mortar, crook boss, turret, and merc base that you can actively buy
Also "not beginner friendly" now that is a bad argument when you can easily get crook boss and turret extremely easily like all the game modes are beatable without using gem towers or special towers
Yeah it def never encourages you, they recently buffed mode rewards and monetizations except the spinning wheel which was more of addition than a necessity was hidden away in ui and shop
Every single time they make a “clickbait” thumbnail, they appear on the daily selection of Roblox games
Bruh tds and roblox games is falling apart slowly.
Bro WHAT THE F? They are meme thumbnails, why these dogshit brains can't understand that meme aren't supposed to be serious????
Comparing tds to pet simulator is fucking wild. You can literally get everything in tds for free except for skins and old event towers that aren’t even meta to begin with
As far as I am aware, the only paywalled skin is Mako DJ
Bro i have 95% thing in tds for free begin 2020 year. Stop complaining
@@mm3shadowman982 and even then. It’s a skin. Sure it’s stupid and disappointing considering how hyped up it was. But it’s not like it offers any ingame advantage
@@СлаваМалько-и3м how the heck you already have 90% of the game beaten, I started playing in late 2019 and still haven't got all goldens and gem towers
@@Gab12345BRI started in 2020 and I finished the game basically in 2023, during lunar overture. I am the most active during events
so what I’m getting here is people are mad they had to grind and people with money don’t, but it’s good for both sides tds gets more funding,and the player has fun with the things they bought. it’s like how people hate on headless bc it costs a lot but it really doesn’t affect them at all.
I don't care about how cash grab the game is. (IMO it's not even p2w!) The only thing i care is how bad these updates has gotten. These devs GOTTA TAKE THEIR TIME on updating the game! But it also shouldn't be TOO long nor short. Like seriously, every wednesday I would be excited to check out the new update JUST to be instantly bored.
I think its more important to talk more about the weekly updates instead of the game being "cashgrab"
Bro assumed he would get served major updates weekly💀
@@Glitch_d Thats not I wanted. I want monthly updates in return of more quality updates. Did you even read??
@@louie-t2e Pretty sure they are, minor updates just came weekly so players don't have much problems when the major one comes out.
@@Glitch_d Yeah the major one is coming out in next week probably but after that, they REALLY gotta stop weekly updates. So much bugs and unbalanced towers and the game is just getting worse.
@@louie-t2e Tbh I'm fine with either way, weekly updates can help balancing the game more and squatting more of those bugs (new ones that are added are mostly because of the buggy roblox's porting system).
When Bellow does another a podcast, you should ask him this
remember the fact that, they likely have ~30 developers
let's say they all make 100k a year (add extra for the lead devs and below)
that's at LEAST 3 million dollars they have to make every year to maintain the game. Remember, only the top thousand games even make 55k a year, so in order to surpass that by so far... they have to go pretty far into monetization
i mean why else would they release vip+, if anything that means they're likely kinda desperate right now
edit: they probably also need to pay like a million in taxes because america so raise that to 4 million lmao
Idk maybe don’t live off of a fucking Roblox game? Idk about you but having Roblox as a job is a nightmare that I wouldn’t like to witness. The job is so unreasonably unstable to the point where it’s not a good idea to rely on it fully.
100k for each dev???? i'd say around 45 - 60k
and jobs don't pay you extra to accomodate for taxes lol
realistically though the majority of the game devs won't rely on a roblox game for 100% of their income, they most likely have some sort of part time/full time job
Well they made 5 million in 2022 and 2023, with all these paid stuff... are they going bankrupt lol
@@jimdeTDS yea but devex rates also suck.
Your points are valid. While I do think they are heading in the direction of a lot more payment options, many people such as myself have played this game without spending money on those options at all (at least up until recently due to my own decisions) and still find the game to be enjoyable. I do not think all of these extra options ruin the experience, however if these options were the ONLY way to gain benefits/advantages in the game then it would be genuinely problematic. A lot of other tower defense games such as All Star require actual gambling to get better towers which is a lot worse.
first point: 'first thing i see is over 11k robux worth of gamepasses'
who the hell is gonna go play tds and instantly go to the gamepasses? you are playing the game, and if you like it you consider buying the gamepasses.
second point: 'first thing i see frm joining the game is a spin wheel and a starter bundle'
dont use them? you arent forced to use them, and its pretty easy to get spin tickets, why do you dislike free rewards? ik you can buy them but thats completely optional
same goes for the other 2 tickets, the revive tickets are a scam, and the game doesnt say it so that one is actually a good point.
third point: 'you can pay to skip missions and reset daily quests'
dont do it if you dont want to, if anything its a good thing that this is here, the impatient people can skip and the patient people can wait. for missions, just do them, theres strategies to beating them so just do them, just because you can skip dont mean its mandatory
forth point: 'you can buy coins in the shop'
you dont have to, like you said, you can grind, or if you dont want to you can pay.
fifth point:'cosmetics cost robux'
they arent mandatory, like you said they are just cosmetics, this is one of the few good points in the video.
sixth point: 'private servers'
you dont need to buy them but if you do you get extra maps, you dont need it but if you want them you can get them.
the merch barely even part of the game, thats a plushie you can get irl, yeah it gives a skin in game but thats really it
pretty much everything is just optional, its okay to have it in the game if nobody is forced to get them. like if the game was impossible without them or if you could pay to buff towers to get over 100k dps then that would make sense, but everything here is just cosmetic or is something you can get for free if you put time and effort
is it bad that when i go to a game page, i check the gamepasses because am curious?
No, @@sirtopoftheworldegg
@@sirtopoftheworldegg no, theres nothing wrong with being curious as long as it doesnt affect anyone, and in this case it doesnt, so ur fine
tds still has more gamepasses than it ever had
@@duckypizza1234 thats a good thing, impatient people can buy it and people who dont want to buy it can grind, both scenarios are good for the devs, first one they get cash, the other they have people playing their game.
Its a win for everyone
bros just hating to hate
TDS has many optional gamepasses, NONE of them are needed to progress.
Meanwhile, pet sim 99, (one lf my former likes games) and really all of the pet sim games Heavily rely on gamepasses to get good at the game. Take vip for getting diamonds (near impossible otherwise) or almost any gamepass tips the balance of p2w and f2p
EXACTLY
Comparikg pet sim to tds is criminal. Like i have gotten everything possible to get that isnt an event tower emote skin or sticker, i have gotten the golden skins. I did it all as a free to play too. I did buy vip and sleger at one point but this was before you could overwrite maps. And the sleger was somethign i just never used. I havent watched the full video yet but my defense for tds is that they have to make money to continue giving us high quality stuff. Per sim just give you a reskinned cube and maybe they will scale it too.
i agree with it cuz i cant get any delux skins
and i have about 20+ skins to unlock the skin in delux create
i am playing this game for 4 years now still this game has changed alot
Its just skins after all, nothing more, notjing less
I suddenly remembered when I grinded TDS everyday, when it was the Area 51 event, how it was a silly, simple style that I loved. I missed those day where the simple gameplay loop and style, what has it become.
ps: I miss Enforcer, and the old event towers, man was it fun to get Shredder.
Good old days when it was a TB ripoff.
mega update was peak tds
this is corny as shit
Tds community when they discover that the developers need to pay rent by monetizing their work:
1:56 isnt really fair since PS99's gamepasses are very pay to win and unobtainable for f2p players while TDS's are mostly cosmetics or things for people with money to skip a grind part but it can still be obtained without spending money.
Stop yapping about this… u can literally grind every tower except the event tower you missed out( still can buy with bobux once they returns) the speed they are updating right now == they need more money😅
Gooner user crazy 💀
And yet saner then Eggy over here, @@JosePerez-n6m8s.
Yet I'm here who survived tds January 2022 as a noob and haven't quit since. Now I'm level 446 and still playing with fun
All of this because of a thumbnail😭
Can't believe you was right 😭🙏
Another @Brazil0987 W. I genuinely start to like you.
Yeah that's true. They most likely don't even like the thumbnail at all but were forced due to the fact Roblox is just 5 year olds liking cringy thumbnails
W brazil
tds is becoming your typical mobile game
you can't deny it anymore, for the better or worse
Never cook again
I see where he's going at but TDS doesn't have as bad monetization as other games and in reality it's not even something we should be complaining about. Getting units doesn't require some gambling system like other simulators, unlike other games it doesn't have pop ups for "exclusive" deals (besides the starter pack....kind of), and the game isn't pay to win. You could make an argument that getting accelerator or engineer is pay to win but you can't just win with those towers alone, it's a strategy game. Plus, they need the revenue to keep pushing out updates otherwise we have no TDS.
adding something to the argument that the game lost it's charm, a major part in it is how just overdesigned and wacky most of the enemies look. there's a weird disconnect with the artstyle of the towers and the enemies, with a lot of the enemies having more joints than the regular r6 tower. another issue is that the game forces you into r15 despite every single tower being animated in r6, and the enemies that have more joints usually just have a second r6 arm slapped onto them to make it look longer.
most of the game's designs fall in a weird uncanny valley from trying to both have a military/edgy look, while also trying to appeal to kids with bright colors and whatnot.
None of your points prove the game is cashgrab or bad lol
@@minhquoc3187 just a personal gripe i have, i needed to let it out somewhere
Average gen z blinded by nostalgia
the r15 change isnt new, still annoying tho
and yeah, the new enemies look like shit
The new enemies dont even look that wacky and overdesigned (I can't believe another comment said new enemies are simplified) R6 enemies only work if they're basic and small, and r15 does blend well with the game as the larger enemies need that detail for their design. R15 towers dont work that well and our character being r15 was just for emotes to work.
I dont get this uncanny valley argument tds doesn't have this edgy military theme anymore as they ditched that for a more cartoony look and id argue new enemies are darker than before as they have these weird textures compared to the basic 1 color they have before
Look, everyone already pointed out the flaws of this
But if anything is objectively wrong, is comparing this with pet simulator 99
But how will BelowNatural afford his 5th lambo??? You just want the devs to starve dont you?? Who is gonna pay their top 1% salaries if they dont extort gullible children for money?? Bad take Eggrypted!!!!!!!!!
below has 30+ devs, updates weekly, works on a massive backlog of updates, pays his devs a lot and wants to live a comfortable and decent life, what are you suggesting? That below just stop monetizing the game entirely and work on the streets while exploiting his developers? This is a good take.
I dont understand why they're doing weekly updates and putting more pressure on their team, take your time dude
Usually I would try to defend TDS but you did make some valid points. Even if they did weekly updates with a decently large development team (good argument btw) they should definitely chill out with the spam of monetization. Although I respectfully disagree with your "content update" opinion. They SHOULD refine the main mechanics of game modes that haven't been changed in 4 years or add stuff they deleted in the past before adding new stuff. I would much rather want them to refine hardcore than them adding 3 towers in one update that will probably be unbalanced.
@@lilacac9249 I kinda agree with that, but from what I know HC code is so horrendous that rework it means rewrite the code for that whole 50 wave so I see why it being the last one.
@@haiphanduy27 Below said there will be a new Void Reaver reskin in late 2024 so MAYBE there might be a rework and if it gets delayed to 2025 so be it. Would much rather get a hardcore rework being the last "refine" update of TDS
@@lilacac9249 I not gonna be surprised if HC rework or refine going to be delayed, cuz he mode is just horrendous.
0:51 never knew you were polish but like 30 zł in your country is a lot. To those that go to school like me its bad since i get like 125 zł per month and can barely spend it
I would think otherwise as I am a f2p and still have good towers. If the game passes count but I don’t think its p2w
“Anything to pay the bills” ahh video
180$ in EUA, im from Brazil. 180$ × 5 = R$900 reais in Brazil. Brazil's minimum wage is R$1,412 reais per month, that is, we earn R$7,39 reais per hour. Which means in Brazil we earn 1,48$ per hour. To buy all the gamepasses would take us 122 hours. 5 days and 2 hours (with 24 hours per day of work). We work 10 hours per day = 13 days of work. (Not to mention that we only receive the money between the end of the month and the beginning of the next month depending on the profession).
But... most of the gamepasses are simply for towers that can be obtained for free
@@leonardotrujillo8661Yes, I got all the towers for free. I bought "vip" and "Resize your player". :D
Yes but did you know they take around a month to get it all@@leonardotrujillo8661
It's okay to be sad about game's having expensive microtransactions till it turns into complaining over every piece of paid content. "THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT F2P" and "OOH THOSE GREEDY DEVS" is just tiring to see. Surprise! Devs need money to keep producing high quality WEEKLY content!
I mean, it is still better than some other td games, namingly ttd.
not really a crazy thing to say
Yea, just they gotta chill with micro transactions or the game will actually become a "simulator"
of course it’s better than ttd, why even use ttd in a argument?
@@AFnECRtDFtdd i ran out of examples 💀
@@thesnowmanallwayssmile7845 Well, also what about the anime TD games like Anime Vanguards and Anime Defenders..?
You die off as a hero, or live long enough to see yourself be the villan.
ermmmm ur 4 years late...
Tds in 2020 didn't even have an update for like 4 months😭
@@leonardotrujillo86614 months is an understatement lol 😭
@@leonardotrujillo86617 months and then 9 months.
i understand roblox does a LOT for game developers with server hosting, moderation and the studio itself just to name a few, but they take 70% of the game revenue so that means the engineer priced at 2250 robux gives about 13.5 aud or 9.10 usd which spread across all the developers, the commissions and the server moderators everyones get less than half a dollar for each purchase
But the spinning wheel, I have nothing to say about that
To me its just "oh cool free stuff"
The last time I had good memories playing this game was during solar eclipse, and that was 3 years ago
Fr. TDS was so fun, now it’s just a dumb cash grab with over priced game passes.
Edit: WHO TF USES THE SPIN WHEEL????
I use it with the hope of getting a deluxe crate
@@Rennan460same, and some timescale tickets too
Fr tho
@@scope6416 spin tickets are earnable through daily rewards
I mean I understand but most of these passes you can just get if you grind the game for long enough
The first thing I notice after coming back is to the gambling wheel, and then consumable and it makes me question the game afterwards I checkout Mako DJ and it's looking good and then I remembered that Gladiator game pass exists...what a way to make the first impression after months
Rare Eggcrypted L
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Idk why people are saying tds is a cashgrab game when the main experience of this game is play matches, prove your skills using towers to defend and win
going into that all over again, what's the benefits behind a cashgrab?
all are just cosmetics and they're mainly obtainable for free just with pure grind lmao (IT STATES THE NAME OF SIMULATOR BRO)
but all they need to do is clarify some things that can be able to get for free instead of jumping to a payment such as the spinny wheel, they need to learn to them that it can also be able to obtain from joining daily instead of giving that alert to pay as most newbies could've confused and think that's the only method to get those tickets
other point is what you want the devs to milk out from, the game states as f2p, nothing behind a paywall gives you a giant benefit that changes the gameplay, the items and everything are behind a paywall, yes, but they're easy to grind off, and they have a considered price to those who wanna take a insane advantage ofc
*also comparing it to ps99 is such a crime, that game has features that are behind a paywall and only obtainable from that, granting you a high increase of change, tds only has vip pass that can affect the way were you can't choose maps from yourself and wait for the elevator which takes a lot of time*
So IMO, TDS is not a paywall game, everything is all about grinding as it's a SIMULATOR like bro, also those returning event towers doesn't really affect the gameplay of others as they aren't that OP
honestly i dont think they're overdoing it. besides the grind being really annoying in some areas, making some ppl feel fored to p2w, paradoxum games is far less scummy than big games for example. I guess its kinda debatable on if they're overdoing it or not
That doesn’t justify what they are doing. This is a common argument where “X is doing worse than Y, therefore what Y is doing is justified.” I really do think they are overdoing it, but other companies are way overdoing it
@@conuy4663 like I said, it’s debatable. I guess this argument is more based on our values rather than our points of view. I guess I just like to cut people slack a lot.
@@KrupySharky well it’s really hard to really decide where you fall on such a controversial topic as this one. People like me are more critical of the e situation, where as others might not mind it yet
@@conuy4663 they need to make enough money bro, making weekly updates of this quality is extremely expensive since you need to hire so many devs to get out stuff in time, and devex rates suck.
@@conuy4663 I'm relatively sure he's implying that in comparison to other games, tds is not as monetized.
I totally agree with Egg, considering how tds was back then,tds rn is just cash grab but with good quality(the only thing that saves the game).
No? Its anything but a cash grab, because theres passion behind it andis intended to be a good game. Sure it has flaws, but they are rather minor.
@@Hyperlaser_Merc nobody who says "tds is a cashgrab" actually knows what they're talking about. It's all just the same arguments over and over again. Not to mention that THEY DONT EVEN PROVIDE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK, they clearly just want to see the game perform badly by not suggesting ways it can improve on.
Not only is it a cash grab, but I feel that it's lost a lot of it's charm. Surely I'm not the only person that has noticed, throughout the years, the style of TDS has changed. It's way more simplified. At least, that's how I feel about the zombies. I haven't played in quite a bit, because the game is getting stale, so I would know nothing about the towers.
the simple style is better on a non-realistic TD game. hell, I think cartoon style is exceptionally good on TD games specifically. if you slap it on some games, it just won't work
The design choice of the game has definitely shifted to attract a younger audience than it once was. It just looks like you're fighting against toys and figurines. The enemy designs went from interesting and detailed to one note simplified toys made of cheap plastic.
@@LDerpDERP They were not "interesting or detailed" back then you are blinded by nostalgia
I personally like the direction tds is going in
@@LDerpDERPbro did You Even SEE fallen mode enemies
they deadass make a grave digger thumbnail looks like youtube type shit
The mako update was especially bad because (other than plushies) there were no skins that were completely impossible to get without robux, the deluxe crates still had ways to get a few of them. but then they hype up this new ultimate skin type just to reveal every time you open up your DJ skins you now see a button asking for 10 dollars in robux for a single skin.
Although I do have to disagree with what you said about the game mode reworks, they have added a lot to the game in that the normal game modes feel a lot less monotonous now and added reasons to use more towers in different ways. The game's balancing with towers right now also does feel like its in a decent place (not perfect but better than it has been before)
Ikr, NO CONTENT. Like the stickers update. It wouldve been better if they would make monthly updates. No weekly updates, and no long one year updates.
@@iguanas1929 tbh Mako DJ is mostly bad way of announcing things, also sticker update and mako DJ does contain alot of bug fix tho.
@@louie-t2ethey do big updates every 2 weeks now
they are gonna make mako dj for pvp mode
To be fair, allmost all the purchasable items are also free to obtain, and this is how the creator of the game makes enough money to survive like the rest of us
I stopped playing TDS years ago, I refuse to give Paradoxum anymore of my money or time, as I don't enjoy playing it anymore
Eggcrypted: loses to void reaver with 3 hp left in a solo hc match
Eggcrypted after 11 minutes and 16 seconds:
"that's alot of monetization about a blocky roblox game"
also him probably making a living out of tds content:
this is a weird comparison to make, neither of them are the same in any way so it doesnt invalidate what he says. you can make content on something while criticizing said thing lol
Theres nothing wrong with giving constructive critisism to something you like or like doing
He doesn’t make much I don’t think lol
Roblox is too unstable to have a good job in… I wouldn’t rely on it for income
@@conuy4663 For most developers I do agree, but some % of them do make a living from it
While I can agree that TDS's monetization has gotten a little more aggressive, it's monetization is still far less than the title of this video would suggest.
Let's face it: Below needs to pay his devs. Roblox's dev payment system is pretty subpar. I understand a lot of comments will just be, "I feel as though the team is making more than it should." But all of this money goes towards not just developing the game, but literally making sure that the devs have disposable income outside of working on the game as well. Bills need to get paid.
A lot of the monetization doesn't even lock crucial content behind paywalls. Cosmetics and skins don't (usually) contribute to how well a tower functions. Many event towers and gamepasses that are bought with robux can be fun to use, but they're ultimately not required for anything.
I work for tds, he’s a fraud…
Fun fact: the currency zl is currency of Poland that mean eggrypted is polish
It didn't become a cash grab they changed the thumbnails because they wanted to pull in more people (kids) because nowadays people will just click on anything thats goofy and it'll pull them into the game so no it isn't a cash grab they are doing it because of what kids are doing now and the game passes have always stayed like that idk why your complaining about it now
All of us are kids wdym kids nowadays
@@遭 I mean like the new gen kids that will just watch skibidi toilet or say brainrot stuff I'm n trying to be rude so if your just confused I mean by they're attracting new gen kids to the game to pull in more players
This has to be the most controversial video eggrypted has ever made, like I dont even know where to begin where what he said was wrong
Idc ima buy stuff to support tds
1:10 polish currency mentioned🔥🔥🔥
EGGRYPTED IS FROM POLAND???
Megalodon is also from Poland 😎
me: joins tds
tds: pay
me: no
tds: pay
me: no
tds: PAY
me: im quitting tds
tds: huh? i didn't know that you can do that
tds is not saying that shit bruh what r u on
@@situlaguyithink have you ever heard what is a joke?
nobody is laughing
finally someone else noticed this
im genuinely infuriated on how common paywall is becoming in tds
REAL, not only that, the updates are getting so much worse. Weekly updates WAS never good. Unbalanced towers and more bugs like bru
"finally someone else noticed this" this has been a dumb argument in the tds community for 3 years now, and the paywall is 99% cosmetic or unnecessary stuff. I don't see any problem here.
@@louie-t2e tds is probably the most balanced its ever been to be real with you, but the bugs I can agree with slightly.
You do know that most of the towers can be grinded for, right? Most gamepasses are just cosmetics and for old towers (which were free)
@@jayzanandreicaquilala EVERY tower can be grinded for except event towers which are sold with robux. And those towers are either outclassed, suck outright or are just fun to use but not meta.
hehe cashgrab thats funny it has been like that for years and it hasnt changed for years too, only slowly increasing with time
They have one last chance with the halloween event If they dont fix at least the thumbnails is over
What's wrong with silly thumbnails?
@@ivan.2050It feels low quality and icky
Wikiacolor already said the reason behind wacky thumbnail recently cuz the update is small while the artist of the game is busy on major one like fallen, halloween which he will make better quality
I hope the halloween thumbnail is actually good and pleasing, like other Halloween thumbnails. And also for them to itch that shitty outline artstyle
@@AFnECRtDFtdd lord exo mewwing
Valid point but i disagree on comparing tds on pet sim because holy shit there a a motherload of gamepass in pet sim
3:24 the “47% off” is a fake sale, which is illegal in most countries. The lengths they will go through for monetization…
I was trying to figure that out thx man
if you knew devex rates and how many devs they have to pay....
@@rallicat69 I hate this argument a lot. Just because you chose an unstable job does not justify using illegal tactics to try and keep the game monetized
@@conuy4663 its one thing to say TDS is a cash grab, its another to compare it to Pet Sim of all things, that isnt even comparable bro
@@conuy4663 the 47% off is probably talking about how much robux it would cost to buy the coins and premium crates, compared to the starter pack.
I feel like the moment more devs got added to team and updates went weakly the monetization did start to increase a lot more then it really should be.
like most of the stuff is a pretty much a grind skip or just cosmetics, but i have noticed how they are kinda shoving it in your face with some offers, mostly when your are a new player.
I think bro ran out of content
You in this video literally complain about items that people with robux would not spend
Ig youtubers cant have opinions without people saying they runout of content now.... like is this ai generated comment or a rage bait?
@@simq-uwuthis is c tier rage bait. It’s kind of obvious that it’s a rage bait but you cant really tell. God I wish some of these commenters would actually watch the fucking video
@@simq-uwui mean, cmon, do you really think he’s going to care THAT much next video? I still personally believe TDS is much better than it once was a few years ago, especially last year and 2021. I feel like he’s arguing for nothing at this point and not arguing for actual genuine flaws of the game, like the grind as well as more end-game content like PvP.
@omegastamps313 bro this video is just his opinion on tds being CASH GRAB not "why tds feels not as fun as before" he didn't have to talk about thoose stuff you mentioned cus it wasnt the topic he gonna talk about.
@@simq-uwu well its dumb. These are barely any actual issues we have with tds, we just want more engaging content and a better grind, and that’s it. Did it really have to go to a long video like this over more smaller issues no one cares about? Maybe its a personal thing but still, cmon man.
“Either you die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain”
Ngl everyone was cheering at first when Raz left the dev team, but it looks like that's more of a bad thing because he was the only one keeping the game both fun and not just a cash grab
lol with him this game never got updates and was dry af, its a picking poison type of situation
I prefer it being a cash grab than not getting any updates lol
Raz was a main reason why tds hardly got updates, and either way tds needs to pay their 20ish devs
I mean to be fair, he did leave the team around the same time a bunch of new devs joined the paradox team, but he was probably still slowing them down somehow
Keeping the game fun? Lol, 2023 had almost no major updates before raz left, montly skin crates didn't give any fun.