WHY $100,000??? Nonsuch Sailboats - Episode 135 - Lady K Sailing
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Nonsuch sailboats, why do they cost so much? What is a cat rig or cat rigged sailboat? Buy a Nonsuch sailboat?
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I have just purchased the original Nonsuch, Gordon Fisher's 1978 boat, sail #1. Looking forward to restoring Nonsuch (the boat's name!) to her former glory.
Hey Bruce, Do you still haveNonsuch? I would love to interview you about her for my podcast :)
Greetings! I'm just now beginning to re-work #8 Nonsuch 30. It's been to Alaska and also lived in Hawaii. I'm somewhat challenged both by my age and accident history, both chronic and recent (recovering from a broken neck, literally). My circumstances should test both me and the Nonsuch reputation as a great simplistic catboat. Would love to stay in touch?
I owned three Nonsuch's in the '80's and '90's - a 22 ft, a 26 ft and a 30 ft. Well constructed boats. Note that the hulls are balsa cored which makes them light for their size and coupled with a fairly high aspect rudder/keel combination and a low-wetted surface underbody with a pram shape means she sails better than you might think (especially down wind or on a broad reef when that big sail can be vanged out by the wishboom. You power the sail by increasing/decreasing sail draft by pulling the wishboom fore and aft to flatten or deepen the sail. Because she was well constructed, they are usually worth the effort and money to refresh for a new generation of sailing...
Back in the eighties, my Nonsuch 30 "Wet Dream" was blown down in a storm off Block Island. The mast kissed the water, but she righted in a flash undamaged. This is a tough boat that has crossed oceans, but some feel that its lack of sail plan flexibility and a proper bridgedeck render it largely a coastal cruiser. I'm presently buying another one.
Condo + windsurfer. One semi-hidden attribute here is the waterline. A N 30 has about 30 feet on the water, so it has the interior space and displacement of a more traditional 40' boat. One reason the N 36 is so expensive.
There is still one semi-flaw in this design: its breadth. The 12' beam makes dividing space down below quite difficult. Normally, on a skinny boat, you can cut up a waterline in 7-foot chunks-- but these boats have too much volume to follow the usual formulas. Hence the need for a shower stall, etc.
Also, it's a fast hull until you go close-hauled into chop. Sail in a place with flat water and enough breeze to make you forget about large genoas and spinnakers, and you'll have a lovely experience.
The "gland" at the top of the stern tube is like a stuffing box. The rudder stock should move freely inside the top "gland". Given the age you should drop the rudder, inspect the gland and replace the rubber hose which should be heavily reinforced. More like a hydraulic hose than a rad hose.
Exactly what Ian said, I was thinking.
@On A Mission ??? A stuffing box includes a gland packing. As do hydraulic cylinders. I don't understand your question.
Excellent video, Tim! I’ve been waiting for your episode on Nonsuch! Very well done!
Proud Nonsuch 30 Classic owner out of Oakville, Ontario!
Cheers!
Nonsuch Palace is in Nonsuch Park which is in Cheam, Surrey, UK, just south of London. The park is open to the public.
Definitely the best explanation I have heard for both Catboats and Nonsuch yachts.
Another really interesting video. I've always been interested in unstayed masts due to simplicity and cost benefits. I'd like to see a video on the Freedom line of cat ketches. Like the Nonsuch, I hear they are very easy to to single hand sail.
After you see the price you’ll think, nonsense!
This guy seems to know nothing except maybe from reading
@@vidguy007 Start your own channel and you can give us your first hand knowledge. Until then, your just a troll.
Nice episode on the Nonsuch. There is also Freedom Yachts, which uses a conventional boom and some have small jibs and spinnakers. Hinterhoeller yachts also built a few Niagara 26’s with a Nonsuch 26 rig.
Freedom 28 cat ketch very good!
Thanks for another great episode. In 1999 when I purchased a 31 O'Day, I almost purchased a 32 Freedom (much like the Nonsuch), this was my 2ed sailboat, the first being a 26' Columbia. I was still such a newbie that looking back I get chills. The Nonsuch/Freedom boats offer some unique advantages, but the biggest drawback (for me anyway) is the lack of windward capability. The only time these unstayed yachts ever appealed to me, is when I had to re-rig my sailboat.
Be happy, be safe.
good show Tim, looking forward to next week's "How it works!" 😁
It will be nice to see Lady K back in the water. Are you going to hit the great loop, or are you still stuck in Canada?
Those boats are quite fast too. They sail well and are comfy to boot.
What a fascinating boat, I need one now
See em all the time in the Chicago area! Didn't know anything about it until now, thanks!
I have a 26’. Easy to sail most of the time. Hard to sail up wind in heavy seas because the bow is so broad.
I have a nonsuch 30 in 1:12 th scale. It’s radio controlled and actually sails really well. It sails better now since I added a servo to control the out haul.
Stay safe 🍻🌲
As for your rudder tube, I'll bet it was a cost saving move. My guess is the quadrant is not high enough to leave the top of the tube open. This could mean that the quadrant is below the WL itself, or that the top of the tube is close enough to the WL that water can slop over it when the boat pitches. I'd like to think there is a lubricated cap on top of the tube which was tight enough to keep water slop out, but loose enough to allow the rudder-shaft to rotate within it. In that case, it may have seized. If so, you can probably make a new cap, which is split in two pieces, so it can be installed without removing the rudder-shaft.
I remember the first time I saw a Nonsuch, I had no idea what it was but it was sitting in a marina in St. Malo at the time.
Thoughts on your steering hose. It is doubled clamped to make sure there is enough friction to keep the fittings from slipping on the posts then keeping water out. The rudder runs into the boat through a water tight bushing and there most likely is a gap above that so the hose does not rub the floor so no water should be in the hose.
If it is a wire reinforced hose, they are very difficult to twist but it could be adding some shock absorbing spring to your steering to not jerk the steering at each little pressure disturbance at the rudders.
Cool boat . Cool channel . I've lurned so much from you thanks for all your content .
For someone like me that's only ever sailed dingies on lakes and only been to sea in a motor boat ,but now wants to do the live on yacht thing your content is invaluable . For me it's all about your channel and sailing Uma . I love those guys aswell.
Could you do one on westerly as they are by far the most common boats under £40k
There's one in the Hammond Marina in Northwest Indiana. That boom was so interesting to see
I live in the Buffalo NY area, and recently, a Nonsuch 30 came up for sale in my area. Spotted it on Craigslist. Sold pretty quickly too.
Hey Tim! Love all your videos great job! Planning a trip from lake Erie to Florida and going to take your same route! Thanks for everything!
I saw a non shroud yacht 2 years ago in Southampton marina in England.
I didn't look at it very closely as I was trying not to broadside onto its anchor & roller at the time.
You are the most American Canadian on youtube. I would never guess you are from Canada just talking with you. I even thought you were an American living in Canada. I know that is not true but that's what I thought for the longest time.
Please do an episode on Edson pedestals/rudder controls- it’s easy & applies to a HUGE audience!
What is the difference between the classic and the ultra?
Interesting conundrum....if there's water on the other side, BIG SQUIRT !...if not, the steering shaft must be sealed where it passes thru the hull.....I would guess that's it, and the hose is just a secondary line of "Defense" against the intrusion of the High Seas......very nice vid Tim ...,good luck on the Launch man....
Free standing masts are amazing. I've had 3 Freedom sailboats a 28, 36, and 30. And lived aboard for 9 years in total. I'm such a disciple of the free standing mast concept I will not buy anything else. The benefits are just incredible. Please consider an episode on Freedom and Garry Hoyt. 😁
Been watching for years, I'm 7 hours away from my first crew spot on a boat, an Irwin 32.. lake Erie to FL.
Unstayed boats look great to me though I don't know that it's actually better
In Winnipeg, Manitoba, at the museum there is a replica of the original Nonsuch displayed as if it was on a salt flat by a port facility. Always puzzled me why it was donated to a museum in the interior of the country…guess it was a case of being available at the right time. This Nonsuch replica had sailed on both East and West coasts of Canada, but they trucked it across the continent. There was some issues associated with crossing the border with actual cannons on board, but eventually they needed to park the vessel somewhere after the promotional jaunt…I guess Winnipeg museum got funding to build a wing around it. It’s a worthwhile thing to see, if you’re ever out that way
All your reviews are flipping excellent!
There is one of these at our marina where we dock our Tanzer. Haven't had a chance to talk to the owner due to covid.
I swear there was one of these boats in the Santa Barbara Channel area back in the 80's. I forget where though, but I remember seeing it. Unsure if it was Oxnard, Ventura, or Santa Barbara though, been so long. That wishbone thing is unique.
owned a 30 and moved up to a 33 ft nonsuch, there was nothing that could catch me up to a 40 ft sloop as long as we were slightly off the wind. Cruised the great lakes, down the east coast to the Bahamas and along the east coast of Canada. In a moment of stupidity sold the boat and 30 yrs later still miss her.
Just rebuilt a rudder Assy in an O'day 27. Needs alot of grease in the hose assy. also should have a top seal with a teflon gasket at the top of the hose.
I just checked Craigslist in my area (Seattle) and there are 2 Cat-ketch (different brand than Nonsuch) boats available and WAY less than $100K. Some of them look nice in the pictures.
My guess is it should not be twisting. Somewhere there must be a shaft packing thats froze up on the rudder shaft. How is the vacination process running in Canada, are you going tobe open this season?
My thoughts exactly. Should be looked at. Manufacturers should have infor on it.
Looking forward to seeing you take that stearing setup apart. Hope it is not too much of a nightmare
So, owned Nonsuch 354 (a rare model), Hull #75, Altair and sailed it out of Wilson, NY. Carbon Fiber mast was far superior to the aluminum, the wishbone had only one downside wish was a mainsheet that was somewhere around 2-1/2 miles long and had the ability to suck whatever hat you were wearing off your head and drop it in the drink. Raced her a couple times, which was almost boring because the skipper and tactician were the only ones doing anything most of the time. If she got overpowered she would have mean weather helm, but that only happened a couple of times (7-8 kts above when I SHOULD have reefed.) Altair is back in Canada now, somewhere. I really miss her.
No way... A cold snap in Canada....😳
You used my listing photo! Right on. Wright Yachts
I have a 30 Nonsuch in my marina (Seven Seas Marina & Boatyard). Very neat boat but, the owner has no idea how to sail. It's a shame to see it just sit there unused. Love the video!
FYI, Nonsuch was the name of the palace, that was given to King Charles II's mistress, Barbara Palmer, the 1st Duchess of Cleveland and Countess of Castelmaine. She had 4 children for his Majesty. She tore the palace down to sell it for parts to pay off her debts. Good show my man.
I may add that Charles II was a very first yachtsman in the world owning a huge collection of yachts, too. So the name is very proper here. :)
Tim you are doing an amazing job. A wealth of Knowledge ....go Canada....big fan of nonsuch, can you please do a show on nauticat.
Great vid, thanks 🙏
Lasers had spinnakers? The Laser 2 did, however it’s a very different boat. I find it to be kind about this channel, there’s a lot of other issues with accuracy
Tim, nice review of the Nonsuch. I have owned my Nonsuch 30 Ultra (1986) for 9-years now and they are a great boat to sail. One big Sail makes it easy to tack and the boat is quite fast, points well to wind at about 30 degrees. Downwind they really go because you can let the Sail out 90 degrees to the mast so you have a spinnaker type run. Fit and finish is exceptional and as you point out and they hold their value well.
Cheers, s/v Heer’s Summer Nonsuch 30U, Burlington.
I always had a soft spot for the 22. If I could find one in decent shape I’d be tempted.
bro your eyes always look like your in the movie Dune , on another note always enjoy the vids
It's the Spice!
I almost bought one. They are huge inside!
I am about to help deliver a nonsuch 30 ultra. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks for the information.
good work, greating from Vancouver
Hi. I am looking at a lot of boats new and old near 40 foot length. I noticed that the newer boats are more likely to have an aft cabin and classics almost never have it. What is the reason for this? Can you please do an episode covering this topic?
About your rudder tube. Why would you need clamps at the top? That would be above the water line maybe?
Don’t let the authorities know you’re dotting your Tees and crossing your eyes.
I'm curious as to how a Nonsuch is reefed, and whether or not it has some serious lee helm? On the plus side, I guess you could just let the main sheet go on any point of sail to de-power it. Still, I'm not sure I'd want to go all the way forward to change that large sail in nasty conditions.
There's one in my harbour in l
Lake of the Woods! Beautiful rig!
A 36' Nonsuch is fairly similar in interior size and weight to a 39' typically designed hull. So, $100K is really for a 39' boat to compare more accurately.
That was informative 👍 thank you 👍
Thanks for getting that Finnish lazer sailor in the pic 👍
would you consider an episode on nauticats? especially a comparison between the siltala and nautor productions.
The NONSUCH is not only cat-rigged, but an actual cat-boat. A cat-boat is not only defined by its single-sail rig (plenty of other boats have only 1 sail), but by its hull type as well. The extraordinary beam is its prime characteristic. 19th century ones had to operate in shoal waters, so needed huge center boards, and had relatively high placed ballast
So, to get the sail carrying ability they needed, they came with extra beam.
The NONSUCH is just a cat-boat with a ballast keel and a leg'o'mutton sail instead of a gaff rig.
The only question I have is how they get it to balance?
If they get it to balance under full sail, it is almost certain to have a lee helm under reefed sail, especially on the last reef.
They could make it balance well on the last reef and tolerate a strong weather helm under full sail, which is what I guess they did.
A 3rd alternative would be to put a small center board in the bow, which is lowered only when the boat is reefed.
I saw one in Santa Cruz California and thought the weird wishbone thing around the sail made it look like a huge windsurfer!??
I have helped stepped a few of these masts massive weight I believe it has roots to RCYC too
How do you reef the main though? You have to start the motor I guess?
At around 5:30 of the video your story reminded me of a saying I've heard here and there, "Don't abandon your boat until it abandons you". Meaning if it's still floating and not on fire in an out of control way don't abandon ship. I wonder if you agree with that way of thinking?
I kind think you do with how you didn't accept a rescue when "Lady K" was sinking and you saved her but I'm still not sure...
Very informative
Junks are another good and simple single-sail no standing rigging option.
Very interesting! subbed!
Hey there, was just wondering if Candice is still making winch covers?
Spent time on a 36 Nonsuch in Ft Pierce. The room of a 42 monohull and sails so easily. Con...63’ mast and 5’7” draft. For sale! on Nonsuch association website 65K
Nonsuch ended production due to the fact that Canada instituted a luxury tax onthings like this boat. Imagine having to suddenly pay 25% or 30% more for the same boat than you did last year. Any company faced with this would have a hard time.
Bravo!!
I believe it's true that most NONSUCH boats will sail away from other boats on the water. Fast!!! Correct?
Wonder how it sit on anchor with mast weight so far forward
Would you be interested in doing video on Corbin 39 sailboat? It’s a French Canadian purpose built blue water cruiser.
I saw a Corbin 39 Pilot House for sale near Savannah Ga. Looked very interesting.
I'm finding this video difficult to watch with no bananas.
We *demand* random fruit!
Gotta' admit, I spent the first 5 mins. scanning the background for fruit. A good crew is easy to train. I think we qualify.
Has it been sold yet???????????
Its an Atlantic City Catboat lost an birth and adopted by a Canadian.
Question, you say Gordon Fisher, but show a black female singing group? What is the link other than looking really nice?
My marina neighbor is a 30'ish schooner rig of this sort.
The quadrant thing? Sounds a bit Yuri Geller spooky to me.
Well made? Not really. I was in the process of purchasing a Nonsuch 30 last month and it ended up failing the survey big-time. The entire hull is balsa cored - water got in and delaminated the back third of the hull. I know it's not uncommon, but why builders would put balsa below the waterline is beyond me. That's what doomed the resale value of C&C's - surprised it hasn't done the same to the Nonsuch as well. It too bad, it's a great concept and design, and they sail well too. My wife and I were really disappointed.
Early Nonsuch 30 Classics are way less than 100k.
If you think a laser is easy to sail you clearly have never tried in over 15kts.
Simple sure, easy not in your wildest dreams
Fredrik Ljungsrom (silent L) was a Swedish engineer, technical designer, and industrialist.
Considered one of the foremost inventors of Sweden. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrik_Ljungstr%C3%B6m
I see that you have a screen grab of Pablo Escobar, If you liked that series on Netflix, you should try Queen of the South, warning graphic violence.
Looks like a big Catboat to me
No fruit ?
No fruit 🥺
for the "rubber" on the steering, it is probably a classic jefa "gaiter" www.jefa.com/products/sealing/sealing.htm
We were supposed to launch this weekend but are now postponed until the end of May... 😩
There is a place on the body called a nonsuch.
Nosuch was an enormous palace king Henry the eighth had built it no longer exists
More like the first time you went by a Nonsuch.
Always thought they were cool.
Here’s a short compilation of Nonsuch 30 “Classic” cruising.
ruclips.net/video/paCcjdIOcok/видео.html
dot all your t's and cross all your i's?????