Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7"
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb with severe obsessive-compulsive personality disorder *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.*
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
Little white 184 lb Marciano had a featherweight arm reach of 67" inches. Imagine penguin🐧arms Rocky trying to fight authentic Super Heavyweights with 50 to 80+ pound weight advantages and 80" to 85" arm reaches? What an embarrassment Rocky would have been today. Sonny Liston's arms were like tree trunks, and his two 15 inch ham-handed fist were made for destruction. He was able to generate incredible bone breaking teeth shattering leverage with his 84" reach. Nobody goes toe to toe with Sonny, not even Big George. Liston would have KO'd Rocky in one round. Little white 184 lb Marciano had a featherweight arm reach of 67" inches. Imagine penguin🐧arms Rocky trying to fight authentic Super Heavyweights with 50 to 80+ pound weight advantages and 80" to 85" arm reaches? What an embarrassment Rocky would have been today. The less said about 254 lb Humphrey Jackson the better. He only had 7 fights as a pro and had found a way to be KO'd by a guy with 1 fight. So this was little white Rocky's so called authentic Heavyweight opponent he faced? Another Typical Undercard C-Level Factually Marciano would bust a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb. It's in his biographies. My nephew Billy has explained how good you are and why. Apparently there's a guy by the name of Gregory Rochette that has been harassing people for 10 years. Billy said, "you contain him and put him in his place." I wish you good health and happiness. Carry on.
How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime! --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940' Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years. The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a "'FOOL'" Moore was Awesome in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Both Moore and Charles were Fantastic Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being Great Heavyweights. The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's. Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.
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Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
Little white Rocky fan-atic's describes him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. "Rocky almost killed Carmine Vingo," well Mancini 'killed' Kim, but nobody constantly brags about that like Rocky lovers do with Vingo. Y'all have these Marciano vids so saturated with ur exaggerated hyperbolic comments about Rocky's power and those 13 forced retirements, that it's laughable.
According to Marciano himself, *Muhammad Ali would have won.* Rocky said *three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Fight City and Mike Stanton This information is *HUGE* and settles any and all debates as to who could beat who! *Marciano just admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston!* So it's true, Rocky really wasn't that good and his competition confirmed as much. *Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed.* It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* Emanuel was simply stating 'Facts'. With what we know today, since 1979, Rocky isn't even an authentic Heavyweight not to mention 224+lbs Super Heavyweight. If size doesn't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since *Little* Rocky's *Little* era 4 generations ago? *@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight*
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.
Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts. I don't have a problem if Marciano is your favorite fighter, but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for him being the best Heavyweight. The reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats had. 5' 9" 184 lbs with tiny 67" flyweight reach, give me a break. 178/179 lb light heavy (vs. Jefferson, Ferron, Cardone, DiGiorgio) to 186 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades: Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* *Even tiny 67 inch flyweight reach Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$ *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought the light heavyweight?
I was looking at Frank Bruno's knock-outs on youtube the other day. His first 10 opponents gave up after one punch looking desperately for a quick way out. Some looked like tall skinny high jumpers or thin armed basketball players. The second 10 opponents took about 5 punches before going down fully conscious but refusing to get up. When his handlers got a bit serious, Frank was found seriously wanting. Frank's most creditable performances came late in his career and he gained the love of the British public but he built a career and reputation on intimidating lanky weak excuses for boxers with his physique before the bell rang. As for Rocky, he was of his time, the 1950s post war age innocence, optimism and affluence in America and he was the kind of poster boy of its confident self-assured machismo. The mood of America began to change in the late 50s into the 60s and with it came Liston, seems even Rocky knew his time was done and some big mean hombres were on the horizon he wouldn't have stood a chance against.
The U.S. Testing Co. was asked to measure the power of Sonny Liston's wallop. Its findings: *"Liston's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than a 50 caliber armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 2,000 pounds one foot off the ground."* - Ring Magazine 1959
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" flyweight reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.* Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* What does "really wasn't a Heavyweight" mean? Everyone knows what it means. What does "188 lbs was just too small" mean? Everyone knows what it means. Emanuel was simply stating the facts. Only casuals ignore facts. *@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight*
Zhang weighs 290. Bakole 290. Fury 275. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 250. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. Parker 245. Ibeabuchi 245. Wladmir 245. Hrgovic 245. Kabayel 240. Usyk 222. *(Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach).* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" reach. *178 to 186 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser with tiny 67" flyweight reach Rocky Marciano's resume:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'd ((28)) times!!!* *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
184 lb Rocky had the shortest (67") reach in Heavyweight boxing history. According to multiple sources (one being Rocky's biographer John Cameron) Rocky was actually 5' 9". *Don't believe for a second Rocky was 5' 10" bcz Joe Louis was at least 5 inches taller! Joe was only 6′ 1½″ yet dwarfs Rocky and everyone can clearly see that with their own eyes!* Rocky's bone structure was simply too short to assimilate effectively into today's Super Heavyweight division. I've read fifty different ways how Rocky fans desperately try to make him bigger to no avail. *Rocky's weight, height and reach has been chiseled into the history books forever.* In today's Super Heavyweight world little Rocky's little division and his 49-0 is laughable.
Muhammad Ali put Rocky Marciano in the hospital for an entire week after their ridiculous choreographed ballet sparing match. "Rocky entered the hospital for dehydration, torn bicep and exhaustion." - Peter Marciano .... I've seen a lot of Getty and Fight City images and Rocky looked absolutely terrible. He was only 45 years old, wearing a wig, had zero muscle tone and fat was hanging everywhere. That's not all. You could clearly see Ali was at least 6" taller! Don't believe for a second that Rocky was 5' 10". Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". There is no question that little Rocky was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his average fighting weight of 183 lbs/83 kg, between 178 and 188, he was not incredibly lean and he was not dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. *178 to 186 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser with tiny 67" flyweight reach Rocky Marciano's resume:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'd ((28)) times!!!* *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach. Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Fight City and Mike Stanton Why has Marciano's admission been hidden away for decades? Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston! This information is Huge and settles any and all debates as to who could beat who! So it's true, Rocky really wasn't that good and his competition confirmed as much. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was over accomplished* (overrated). *He was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10" exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. The biggest overachiever in the Heavyweight division. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
Little Rocky's era was not stacked with talent. If it were, the foundation of his record wouldn't be based on beating over the hill fighters. They were all past their best be honest, still good boxers but all past their best, you can only beat who's in front of you and he did. *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW. Archie Moore said, "Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was" --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Archie Moore said, "I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson." --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, "I don't deny anything" .. "I never deny what my mother quotes" .. "I know my age" .. "and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly" .. "and that keeps me in the news." --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
Muhammad Ali put Rocky Marciano in the hospital for an entire week after their ridiculous choreographed ballet sparing match. *"Rocky entered the hospital for dehydration, torn bicep and exhaustion."* - Peter Marciano .... I've seen a lot of Getty and Fight City images and Rocky looked absolutely terrible. He was only 45 years old, wearing a wig, had zero muscle tone and fat was hanging everywhere. That's not all. You could clearly see Ali was at least 6" taller! Don't believe for a second that Rocky was 5' 10". Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". There is no question that little Rocky was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his average fighting weight of 183 lbs/83 kg, between 178 and 188, he was not incredibly lean and he was not dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight.
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
its crazy from far away Rocky seems small as a heavy but up close you can tell he is very strong. even his face is strong.
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Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7"
Even his face was strong lmfao 🤣
Psychosis and other symptoms Rocky Marciano suffered. - *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb with severe obsessive-compulsive personality disorder *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.*
Another Rocky Marciano video badly infected with the toxic comments of black David Frost the most prolific Rocky Marciano hater on RUclips
@black David If all those people are Rocky haters, how come they have nothing bad to say about the Rock? How come only you and your aliases do?
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
@black David Frost This is hilarious, I can't stop laughing. Hey I have idea, flip all your accounts over to my picture! Cheers.
Little white 184 lb Marciano had a featherweight arm reach of 67" inches. Imagine penguin🐧arms Rocky trying to fight authentic Super Heavyweights with 50 to 80+ pound weight advantages and 80" to 85" arm reaches? What an embarrassment Rocky would have been today.
Sonny Liston's arms were like tree trunks, and his two 15 inch ham-handed fist were made for destruction. He was able to generate incredible bone breaking teeth shattering leverage with his 84" reach. Nobody goes toe to toe with Sonny, not even Big George. Liston would have KO'd Rocky in one round.
Little white 184 lb Marciano had a featherweight arm reach of 67" inches. Imagine penguin🐧arms Rocky trying to fight authentic Super Heavyweights with 50 to 80+ pound weight advantages and 80" to 85" arm reaches? What an embarrassment Rocky would have been today.
The less said about 254 lb Humphrey Jackson the better. He only had 7 fights as a pro and had found a way to be KO'd by a guy with 1 fight. So this was little white Rocky's so called authentic Heavyweight opponent he faced? Another Typical Undercard C-Level
Factually Marciano would bust a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb. It's in his biographies.
My nephew Billy has explained how good you are and why. Apparently there's a guy by the name of Gregory Rochette that has been harassing people for 10 years. Billy said, "you contain him and put him in his place." I wish you good health and happiness. Carry on.
How many have actually seen Archie Moore in his Prime? He had muscle on top of muscle and only weighed 159. He was not weight drained, he was 27 years old and Prime! --@ 'Earliest Footage of Archie Moore vs Ron Richards 1940'
Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb 'Pochuntas', Moore was also 148. Moore never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at Middleweight. He finally attained the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight title after 17 years in 1952 and held that belt until 1962. So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the 176 lb Heavyweight division for 10 years.
The 1940s was without doubt Moore's Prime years! His best years were behind him by the time he faced Rocky, he had already been fighting 20 years with 178 fights! Anyone that claims Moore was Prime when he fought Rocky is a "'FOOL'"
Moore was Awesome in the 147 to 160 lb Middleweight division and the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division, even though I believe other Light heavyweights similar to Beterbiev, Bivol, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Bob Foster would beat him. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Light heavyweight Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Both Moore and Charles were Fantastic Light heavyweights during their prime years but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for them being Great Heavyweights.
The only reason Charles won the Heavyweight title is bcz Louis Retired, leaving 181 lb Light heavy Charles and 195 lb Journeyman Walcott to fight for his vacated title. And what happened next? A fresh Marciano comes along and cleans up the left over scraps and residue from Ring worn and washed has-been's.
Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.
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Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
Little white Rocky fan-atic's describes him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. "Rocky almost killed Carmine Vingo," well Mancini 'killed' Kim, but nobody constantly brags about that like Rocky lovers do with Vingo. Y'all have these Marciano vids so saturated with ur exaggerated hyperbolic comments about Rocky's power and those 13 forced retirements, that it's laughable.
According to Marciano himself, *Muhammad Ali would have won.* Rocky said *three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Fight City and Mike Stanton
This information is *HUGE* and settles any and all debates as to who could beat who! *Marciano just admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston!*
So it's true, Rocky really wasn't that good and his competition confirmed as much. *Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed.* It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."*
@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!*
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* Emanuel was simply stating 'Facts'. With what we know today, since 1979, Rocky isn't even an authentic Heavyweight not to mention 224+lbs Super Heavyweight. If size doesn't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since *Little* Rocky's *Little* era 4 generations ago?
*@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight*
Thanks for the video, LEGENDS SPARRING
I am subscribing to you for this, Marciano is my favorite fighter and this is perfect.
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Never Seen This Before, Great Stuff
Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.
Oh man amazing
Love how that guy is running in leather boots, smart trousers and plaid shirt.
My favorite boxer ever
Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts. I don't have a problem if Marciano is your favorite fighter, but you're heading down a slippery slope if you're trying to make the case for him being the best Heavyweight. The reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats had. 5' 9" 184 lbs with tiny 67" flyweight reach, give me a break.
178/179 lb light heavy (vs. Jefferson, Ferron, Cardone, DiGiorgio) to 186 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades:
Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
*Even tiny 67 inch flyweight reach Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:
TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN
BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought the light heavyweight?
I was looking at Frank Bruno's knock-outs on youtube the other day. His first 10 opponents gave up after one punch looking desperately for a quick way out. Some looked like tall skinny high jumpers or thin armed basketball players. The second 10 opponents took about 5 punches before going down fully conscious but refusing to get up. When his handlers got a bit serious, Frank was found seriously wanting. Frank's most creditable performances came late in his career and he gained the love of the British public but he built a career and reputation on intimidating lanky weak excuses for boxers with his physique before the bell rang.
As for Rocky, he was of his time, the 1950s post war age innocence, optimism and affluence in America and he was the kind of poster boy of its confident self-assured machismo. The mood of America began to change in the late 50s into the 60s and with it came Liston, seems even Rocky knew his time was done and some big mean hombres were on the horizon he wouldn't have stood a chance against.
Fantastic upload. Keep up the good work!
RIP to Rocky Marciano he still is the only Undefeated Heavyweight Champion, his Suzie Q was a Very Great Punch, Rocky was a very strong man
I like the thumbnail. Looks like Rocky holding his noes from standing next to Al Weil.
Jeez, great stuff bro
If I didn’t know who he was I would say he’s a catcher for a baseball team. Which is what he was before he went into boxing. What a champ.
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The U.S. Testing Co. was asked to measure the power of Sonny Liston's wallop. Its findings: *"Liston's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than a 50 caliber armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 2,000 pounds one foot off the ground."* - Ring Magazine 1959
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" flyweight reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
You're black David
49-0 World Heavyweight Boxing 🥊 Champion.
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
This entire comment section is full of the same 5 guys(or maybe one guy using 5 different names) hating on Rocky Marciano. Pretty pathetic imo
Rock may not of had..
The finesse of other fighters
But man could he hit !!
Just ask the Susie Q 😮
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"
*ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.*
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* What does "really wasn't a Heavyweight" mean? Everyone knows what it means. What does "188 lbs was just too small" mean? Everyone knows what it means. Emanuel was simply stating the facts. Only casuals ignore facts.
*@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight*
Zhang weighs 290. Bakole 290. Fury 275. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 250. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. Parker 245. Ibeabuchi 245. Wladmir 245. Hrgovic 245. Kabayel 240. Usyk 222. *(Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach).* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" reach.
*178 to 186 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser with tiny 67" flyweight reach Rocky Marciano's resume:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'd ((28)) times!!!*
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
184 lb Rocky had the shortest (67") reach in Heavyweight boxing history. According to multiple sources (one being Rocky's biographer John Cameron) Rocky was actually 5' 9". *Don't believe for a second Rocky was 5' 10" bcz Joe Louis was at least 5 inches taller! Joe was only 6′ 1½″ yet dwarfs Rocky and everyone can clearly see that with their own eyes!* Rocky's bone structure was simply too short to assimilate effectively into today's Super Heavyweight division. I've read fifty different ways how Rocky fans desperately try to make him bigger to no avail. *Rocky's weight, height and reach has been chiseled into the history books forever.* In today's Super Heavyweight world little Rocky's little division and his 49-0 is laughable.
Muhammad Ali put Rocky Marciano in the hospital for an entire week after their ridiculous choreographed ballet sparing match. "Rocky entered the hospital for dehydration, torn bicep and exhaustion." - Peter Marciano .... I've seen a lot of Getty and Fight City images and Rocky looked absolutely terrible. He was only 45 years old, wearing a wig, had zero muscle tone and fat was hanging everywhere. That's not all. You could clearly see Ali was at least 6" taller! Don't believe for a second that Rocky was 5' 10". Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". There is no question that little Rocky was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his average fighting weight of 183 lbs/83 kg, between 178 and 188, he was not incredibly lean and he was not dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
*178 to 186 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser with tiny 67" flyweight reach Rocky Marciano's resume:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'd ((28)) times!!!*
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach.
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Fight City and Mike Stanton
Why has Marciano's admission been hidden away for decades? Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston! This information is Huge and settles any and all debates as to who could beat who!
So it's true, Rocky really wasn't that good and his competition confirmed as much. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was over accomplished* (overrated). *He was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10" exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. The biggest overachiever in the Heavyweight division. 188 lbs was just too small."*
@ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
organized crime run sport. highly suspect career.
Till this day there is zero proof of him being involved with the mob in his career. They stayed clear of him he stayed clear of them
Little Rocky's era was not stacked with talent. If it were, the foundation of his record wouldn't be based on beating over the hill fighters. They were all past their best be honest, still good boxers but all past their best, you can only beat who's in front of you and he did.
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
and rocky battered louis
ARCHIE MOORE WAS EASILY 42 IF NOT OLDER vs. MARCIANO AND THAT IS NO LONGER DEBATABLE!!! PROOF IS BELOW.
Archie Moore said, "Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was" --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Archie Moore said, "I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson." --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, "I don't deny anything" .. "I never deny what my mother quotes" .. "I know my age" .. "and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly" .. "and that keeps me in the news." --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
Muhammad Ali put Rocky Marciano in the hospital for an entire week after their ridiculous choreographed ballet sparing match. *"Rocky entered the hospital for dehydration, torn bicep and exhaustion."* - Peter Marciano .... I've seen a lot of Getty and Fight City images and Rocky looked absolutely terrible. He was only 45 years old, wearing a wig, had zero muscle tone and fat was hanging everywhere. That's not all. You could clearly see Ali was at least 6" taller! Don't believe for a second that Rocky was 5' 10". Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". There is no question that little Rocky was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his average fighting weight of 183 lbs/83 kg, between 178 and 188, he was not incredibly lean and he was not dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight.
Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to tiny flyweight reach Rocky if he met any of those monsters!
Rocky's so little, and slow too. He only weighed 184 when he won his title. Charles only weighed 181 when he won his title. Today's Super Heavyweights average 250 with 80" reach. Rocky's flyweight reach was only 67"