I wasn't paying much attention at that point, trying to see how many digits I could get in the grid before he started (usually I don't get any, so this puzzle was a lovely ego boost)
Thank you for the feature and the wonderful solve, Simon. This puzzle took me weeks to set - it's the puzzle that took me the most time. I indeed wanted to make a puzzle with minimal information given to the solver, hence the self-referential structure I had played with a bit in the past ("Coordinate Sudokus" on LMG). The core insight for me, after understanding the role of the diagonal and the 8s, was to realize what RxCx represented. If you follow the logic, its value must be the position of x in column 8. From there, you can build a puzzle that follows those rules, instead of blindly searching for a grid that works. I'm sorry I scared you but you made my work worth it.
Sorry your comment hasn't been pinned (yet), Stephane. Thank you very much for leaving it, though. Excellent puzzle, mind blowing new logic. It will definitely inspire other setters.
I love how Simon manages to be simultaneously very smart and very good at not making people watching the videos feel dumb. It's an impressive combination to pull off and he makes it look easy.
Yeah until he said "I haven't had an intelligent thought in the past 20min" and you worked on your own up to the same point he did 😂 basically meaning my 20min of work was basic level dumb 😂
Mark is at it again with his nice little challenges 😄 Personally I have looked at this on and off for hours and still haven't filled in a single digit.
Simon: “This is something you take on holiday with you, and you have it by the side of the pool, and you look at it occasionally and just shake your head and go back to drinking your mojito, and, you know, maybe at the end of two weeks you have some sort of thought that allows you to make some sort of progress so that in six months time you might be able to solve this puzzle.” Me: … notes video is an hour long…
22 min 13 seconds between first pencil mark and puzzle solved. The rest is complaining that it's impossibly difficult. For the Americans: I'm just kidding, of course...
At 56:20, Simon says something about making the purple area a torus somewhat jokingly. Fascinatingly, that actually works, and if you treat column 7 and 1 as a domino with 7 as the row indicator, they all map correctly
Funnily enough, that was one of the first things I thought after reading the rules - heavy study into graph theory and that kind of stuff, mapping digits onto toroids, came to me as an intuitive jump from the self-referencing aspect. Super cool to see, and it tells me that Stephane probably comes from a math background!
Fist thing that came to mind after seeing the rules was the prisoners delimma problem. That and Markov chains... no idea still if there's a relationship there, but this fact about making the puzzle into a torus makes me happy lol
What amuses me the most - and I haven't finished watching this video - is the fact that Simon really takes his time to makes the puzzle easier to be understandable. He literally goes through every possible idea before finding the one that allows him to solve it logically. That's so, so, so amazing...
The moaning was thoroughly justified... And the solve that followed was just exhilarating! While the puzzles like the 16x16 filomino and the various yin-yang logics come naturally to Simon coz of his vast experience in solving those puzzles, today was a reminder of what makes him truly great. There are many great solvers who would probably crack this in less than an hr but only Simon can do this in an in camera video without taking a break or a walk around to let the logic seep in. Perhaps thats the reason why he is such a precious resource for the whole community. The way you can be intuitive about a solution to a puzzle with a never seen before logic while continuing to think aloud for an hour is absolutely rare and unparalleled.
"It's impossible...it must be broken...it can't be solved...OK, I'll have a go...Oh look, I've solved it...". Simon said exactly the same thing about the original Miracle puzzle.
It reminds me of the original Wrogn puzzle as well. "Its impossible! We have no information! Everything is negative! It cant be solved... Oh, but I suppose its either a 1 or a 9 in this cell. But its impossible! Oh, and the next cell to it has to be a 1, so I guess that's a 9... But this IS UNREAL! There is no way it can be solved beyond these two digits. It was a fluke! Oooh, 5 goes in this row. THIS IS UNSOLVABLE"
@@FireSiku reminds me of playing a video game. "this game sucks! i hate it!" while playing it for the next 12 hours. it is what it is. smack talking a frustrating task while continuing to complete it is just the way of life. "this task is too hard its impossible!" an hour later and its done.
Seeing this and all the other "am I actually going to be able to solve this" videos, I really want to see a compilation of videos Simon doesn't finish. What twisted, fiendish puzzles are truly so difficult they never see the light of day.
I think it's those that don't follow a linear logic, but rather a a logic that develops in parallel ways and forces you to bounce between them constantly. I believe that if there is any linear logic, Simon is able to crack it step by step after having the initial intuition, but I've seen him absolutely confused in a puzzle where he had to continually bounce between tho thinking processes. The other type of puzzles that never saw the light, are probably those where he couldn't get the initial intuition that allowed him to crack it digit by digit
This one took me 2.5 hours. I never would have imagined solving something like this until recently. Mark and Simon, you are like mentors to me in what has become a cherished hobby. Thank you so much! And bravo Stephane, this one was mind blowing, and one of the solves im most proud of.
I'm proud of myself for realizing the negative diagonal never can be indexed before Simon did. Still wouldn't have had a chance of solving this myself. Well done!
@@bennettgardiner8936 they're being indexed using columns 7 and 1 with column 7 being the row and column 1 being the column. It just didn't need to be stated in the rules for an unambiguous solution.
Let's go! I finally beat Simon to a solve for the first time-my time was 42:10! This was an absolutely genius puzzle, major major kudos to the setter! It felt SO good to solve, too. I felt so smart every time I had any breakthroughs, and when it got rolling, it REALLY solved at breakneck pace. Such a fun puzzle!
I loved this. Also, Simon: "This is *impossible!*" who then proceeds to spend an hour proving that it is indeed possible. Very enjoyable to watch you solve this, Simon.
I think I’ve watched the introductory “contains a 4… what… why?!” moment about 15 times now. Your baffled, almost indignant incredulity is inadvertent comedy gold and my favourite intro in CTC history. Great solve!
Welcome to the channel, there are lots of very lovely videos to watch. The one that got me here is the very great Miracle Sudoku. Certainly recommend that.
First he says he knows it and it's impossible to solve. Then he tries to reason logically why it is unsolvable and starts to bite himself. After that he tries to explain to himself that it is unsolvable and hangs on the hook. Then a logical thought comes to him and in 20 minutes it is solved. 😂 No matter how you do it, it's great to watch you do it again and again. Awesome job! 😁👍
A friend recommended your channel to me after I mentioned my love of sudoku. I've only ever done classic sudoku and refused to try any variants, but I watched a few of your videos and they sparked my interest. Then this video was recommended to me and I decided to give the puzzle a go and see how far I got before I'd switch to watching you solve it. 82 minutes later I was staring at my screen in disbelief because I'd actually solved it 😂 I've rarely felt such a strong sense of accomplishment mixed with joy and excitement. This was absolutely wonderful. And now I may be about to fall down a rabbit hole...
To the setter of this puzzle, you are super genius. To Simon, you never stop amaze us with your ability of solving puzzles of this caliber. Well done and to all the setters. You people are giving us all a good brain workout. Well done and keep it up.
This is a puzzle that truly reveals Simon's genius, since I probably still wouldn't have gotten it after six months and he managed to do it in an hour.
There's a couple of very elegant hidden 'features' to this ruleset that Simon didn't see. First, that you can take a 'domino' with the first digit from the 7th column and the second from the 1st column, and that must be an accurate indexing by the pidgeonhole principle. That means you have a full 48 cells indexed, missing only the major diagonal (which is pseudo-indexed by column 8). Second is how the solution creates diagonal bands of the digits 1-7 in increasing order, which wrap at the edges of the box containing the first 7 rows and columns. In fact this ruleset with a blank board has only seven valid solutions. In that sense, giving the 1 as a given digit was a bit generous, rather than something like an arrow or line that would only provide a useful clue once you fully understand the symmetries required by this ruleset.
Goddamn. I was impressed with his ability to figure things out. The fact you got so many other hidden rules and figured out all the valid possibilities in an empty grid is just amazing to me.
If you try the possible starting positions for the 1, only the one given in this puzzle leads to a valid solution. So a complete blank board only has 1 unique solution
A simple like is not enough for this incredible puzzle, and equally incredible solve. It would probably have taken me well over 6 months to puzzle this one out. Well done Simon and Stephane. Amazing! Still shaking my head in disbelief and will probably need to watch this again later to fully grasp the beauty of it
When Simon starts a video with such severe doubt... I gotta laugh, heartily, at the "Try it yourself" suggestion. Yeah, no. But will enjoy watching this head scratcher. You are a very brave man, Simon. I would have picked a different puzzle, restarted the recording, then called Mark for a belly laugh over his puzzle choice.
Ikr! Reads the instruction, reads an example following the instructions, baffled “What? why?”: perfect reaction, lol. Also the blatant assumption he’s going to turn the video off. Absolutely hilarious!
I love how you can actually reference every cell in this puzzle. Every legitimate domino references a cell(there are six dominos per row), every seventh and first cell of each row form a seventh domino (for example [1,7] = 7, [1,1] = 3 => [7,3] = 1), and every cell in the eighth column is an eighth same digit domino (for example [2,8] = 7 => [7,7] = 2). That means there are eight references per row and there are eight columns, so there are 64 references, which is equal to the number of numbers in the grid. Such wonderful design.
It does make sense, but the original commenter got their math a little wrong. They pointed out that the 7th and first cell in each row also form a domino (in a wrap-around sort of logic) that also indexes another cell. This was an awesome realization that I had missed and so had Simon. However, they claimed this makes 8 dominoes per row, but actually it creates 7 dominoes per row. 7 dominoes multiplied by 8 rows is 56 cells. “What are the last 8 cells then?” You may ask. Well, that would be the cells highlighted in yellow that cannot be indexed (1,1 2,2 3,3 etc.)
@@jesss.5864Yeah I guess I worded it a little wrong. I don’t think I got my math wrong though. The first seven cells in each row form seven dominoes, which means that’s 7x8=56 references. The last cell in each row is a domino by itself, making it both the x and y axis so to speak. So that’s another 8 references, making it 64 🤔 For example the number, let’s label it x, in the [1,8] cell ([1,8] = x) will be the coordinates for 1 on the diagonal ([x,x] = 1) The same goes for [2,8] = y … [y,y] = 2 and so on. If there are any gaps in my math, I’m sure I need to retake some classes 😄
This is one of the most incredibly set puzzles I have seen. Its fascinating that such a rule could populate a gird in the first place let alone have a solve path and a unique solution. In a word: Masterful! Kudos to Simon for working through it and featuring it. I wonder how Simon is going to get back at Mark for this one?
59:41 and I don't think I've ever been more proud of a solve in my life. Figuring out each step of the break-in felt like some sort of Zen enlightenment. Take a bow, Stephane.
I've been watching you brilliant men for about 3 years now, and this must be the one video that made me smile the hardest. Firstly, because I'm a mathematician and this puzzle is just liquid gold logic. Second, to see Simon finding out how the logic works and see him go from "to bobbins and beyond" to "I'm going to solve this". Amazing solve!
56:29 No, Simon! It’s not weird. It’s BRILLIANT!! It wraps on its self. If you take a domino starting with c7 and the second part is c1 it still does work!!!
And if you take values in column 8 as a double pair - e.g. a 6 in column 8 means row 6 column 6 - then THAT works too, as every cell in column 8 correctly references the corresponding diagonal cell, including row 8 column 8 which is self-referential.
I love this video so much bc even tho he thinks he's struggling he is actually doing much better than he thinks, and that on its own is a beautiful lesson ❤
This was an incredible solve of an incredible puzzle. Well done! Also, there's something to be said about this being quality "edutainment" to me. First off, I never would've been able to solve this - I figured out the self referencing thing but got stuck in the dead-end loops, and decided to just watch a master at his craft noodle through it. Watching Simon's logic unfold is tantamount to magic.
6:39 "That is, I think, the most daunting ruleset" Couldn't agree more. For me it was about 40 minutes of thinking and exploring examples to get it going, but at least not 6 months. And now i get to watch frustrated Simon, haha! Thanks Stephane.
Just noticed this after the puzzle was solved. But the purple cells wrap around and still reference cells with column 7 and column 1. For example, R1C7 is a 7 and R1C1 is a 3, so R7C3 is a 1. This works for all the Column 7/1 pairs.
It has to. The two "unreferenced" copies of each digit must be in the two rows and the two columns that don't contain a referenced one. So the row numbers of the unreferenced digits are in columns 7 and 8, and the column numbers are in columns 1 and 8. So either column 8 references the position of a digit on the main diagonal and columns 7 and 1 are a wrap around domino, or there's a domino in columns 7 and 8 and another wraparound one in columns 8 and 1. The second option is ruled out because it makes the number of dominoes greater than the number of non-diagonal cells in the grid. Maybe my brain's weird, but that was my starting point :)
@@AngelWedge That would have been a good way of figuring out that all non-diagonal squares are pointed to by a domino in the pinks (including the wrap arounds mentioned above), but I'm not sure it would have helped much, except giving you more options for how to deduce the numbers at the end maybe.
53:19, super proud of myself. Once you realise there's a problem with (X,X) coordinates it all starts to fall into place, then you realise the interplay with 8s and it all just collapses. BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT puzzle
10 months later and I found this. I watched the solve with some initial ideas of how to get started but nothing concrete enough. Seeing Simon, eventually, take my rough ideas and form them into workable logic was magical and really boosted my confidence to take on tough puzzles I normally avoid. As said by others, the start was very funny to watch Simon's reaction. Even if it was a prank, good on ya for powering through and working it out. Good solve!
In the past few years, I have become able to solve such puzzles I couldn’t have dreamt of solving before I discovered CTC (a few months before the first Covid lockdown, so sometime in 2019). Simon and Mark, I know I’m speaking for many when I say that you have awakened a love for puzzles in us that we can all enjoy and share in this community. I had a small breakdown during the lockdown and CTC helped me to stay sane by engaging me to think. I never knew so many sudoku variants existed before I discovered this channel, but learning how to understand them and solve them has been one of the most wonderful experiences in my life so far. Thank you for being consistent and loyal. Let’s get cracking!
Cracking the cryptic first for me; screaming at Simon though the screen! He's always found everything before me so far and apologizing to everyone who sees the thing he doesn't but it's never been me. I feel proud of myself! Because he's super smart and I could never solve these puzzles like he does. Keep cracking, Simon, you're the best!
Again, what a sheer run of puzzles we’re on. This is a blessing of a video. What a miraculous, genius discovery by Stephane, and what an incredible, genius solve by Simon. I especially love the thrill of how the video feels hopeless until Simon raises his eyebrows and says “ah,” at which point the wonders just start to flow. Dang it I love this channel. PS, sorry to give you a hard time about this, but the 3 in the corner didn’t get its song!
Man that was a hard start... Fantastic puzzle yet again. Once i got the eights i still felt i had no idea how to solve it but then you get a couple more digits right away and it just unravels jumping back and forth with referencing and even a little sudoku at times... just lovely. Starting it really way the hard part because it looks so daunting. And i really got a nice "I did that today" feeling out of it. Also a brilliant reaction to the puzzle reveal from Simon - but of course he managed to solve it, as if it was ever in doubt :)
I've never laughed out loud before on any puzzle before this. The reaction was so great. Thank you for having a go. (Never mind figuring out how to solve it)
This took me 510 minutes to solve over a couple of days... Now I can finally watch this video and see how Simon finds the solution within an hour! I have no prior experience in solving logical puzzles like this (besides regular Sudokus in magazines), but after watching this channel for a while I wanted to give it an honest try. I'm happy I actually managed to find the logical path and solution. :D
I'm new to this channel and have watched 3 or 4 videos in the past few days without even considering trying to solve the puzzles myself. I think the next one that pops up in my recommendations I'm going to have a go at before watching him find the solution.
@@nagualdesign Go for it! Some of these puzzles really challange your logical thinking and force you to think outside the box. It is very rewarding to solve them by yourself.
49:00 finish (after a few pauses to walk away and clear my head for a while). A couple of things (one of which Simon noticed): yes, the dominos wrap around c7-c1 to map to the remaining 8 squares which haven't been mapped. Also, each domino in c7-c8 is the same as a domino in c2-c3 (though I haven't been able to identify any pattern as to the difference in order). There are no words to describe this. Well done!
Really cool sudoku! I'm a new suscriber and it's only the 3rd video I watch on the channel, but this was the first one that called me to solve without seeing the solve or your personal logic to get there. It took me 425:30 minutes and 4 tries (restarting maintaining the clock) but it was really fun and challenging! Cheers from Argentina to you and the creator of this insane sudoku!
42:30 - you have '1' at coordiantes (5,7) means there shall be a domino (5,7) on a row 1, only possible position in columns 6 and 7. after putting it you can found only position of the domino (1,7) on the row 7 pointing to 7 - only possible at colums 3 and 7 etc
Some interesting facts about this structure: * As Simon guessed indeed the C7C1 pairs are also indexing resulting in a torous. * C8 ends up just indexing the diagonal I wonder how many solutions exist without the given 1 and how they vary. I'm also wondering if this pattern works with other sizes.
This one really makes me wonder if there can be a puzzle that is a truly blank grid (no cages, no dots, etc) with a rule set that only yields one solution without being overly complicated.
Not only does the C7C1 domino work, but start with each 1 in the grid, and draw a line down to it's right. At row 7, wrap around to row 1, and at column 7 wrap around to column 1, but each time you wrap, add one row or column. You end up with 6 strings of the digits 1-7 in order :)
this is one of my favourite videos, im a very visual person and since Simon had a harder time wrapping his head around what was happening it felt like i could follow along with his thought process a whole lot better, so it really felt like i was soliving it with Simon, i paused and talked at my screen so many times just to be able to think as well. This felt insane 10/10 love being invloved in the thought process esp in a puzzle this bizzare
I watched the live stream before watching either of today's videos, so had a hint from the chat as that opened that there was something special in Simon's video. Yes, yes there was indeed. I enjoy the "Mark told me to open this live on camera" openers, generally, but this one seemed to result in more disbelief than usual! Simon, your experimenting as you grasped the implications of the rules was very interesting. I felt that there must be a reason that there was a given digit, and that it was that digit in particular. I also thought that an interesting pathway of thinking would be about which digits were not indexed by dominoes and why they weren't (that resulted in the negative diagonal, yellow digits). At one point you said, "There may be another way to do this, but I don't know what it is, so this is how I'm doing it. " I applaud this for at least two reasons. First, because the way you were doing it made sense to me (and, from my skimming through about 100 comments) to others who watched this video. Second, because if a way makes sense to you, then you should do it pretty much unapologetically. We did not come here to watch a perfect, pre-worked-out solve of a puzzle, we came here to watch you solve a puzzle the way you see to do it. I have seen some of the pre-worked-out videos on other channels and they are not nearly as interesting or fun as you and Mark doing the live solves. In addition to the wonderful word 'baffling' that does not get nearly enough love from word fans, there was the thesaurus-emptying "multitude, myriad, plethora' phrase, which was very apt for the moment, and of course made me laugh soon thereafter because the large number of possibilities turned out to be a very manageable few once you pencil marked them. So very fun - thank you for battling, persevering, and emerging victorious!
"We did not come here to watch a perfect, pre-worked-out solve of a puzzle, we came here to watch you solve a puzzle the way you see to do it." -- Yes. Exactly. Well said, Emily.
most of the time i watch these videos in absolute amazement because how... this time I understood this puzzle so clearly and screaming at simon about the 8 and 4 for 30 minutes. I finally felt a little smart today
I've decided that I'm okay with following along with Simon and letting his genius mind help me learn ☺️ I kept forgetting how he proved different digits/patterns, but I had a breakthrough when I realized every digit had to be self-referencing when it's in its own row...at which point the title smacked me in the face, lol. 😂 I did finish the solve without watching, and then went back to double check my answers against his, and see how he logicked it out. Wasn't until the rewatch that I noticed the mirroring squares of yellow/purple, 8/x digit, down the diagonal...
This took me over a week of obsessing over it to solve but the positions of the 8s in row 1-7 finally clicked for me today and then it only took three hours
A totally genius conception. I puttered around on it for 2hr getting nowhere, then thought about it as I was driving somewhere. While just thinking about it driving, I came up with the trick in about 10 min. Goes to show you, sometimes it is just best to think about the big picture.
All this video needs is a few lasers and someone saying "But what does it all mean, Doctor?" and you have a perfect 'Triumph of the Human Spirit' episode of Dr. Who. Incredulity, dejection, introspection, hope, determination, questioning, intelligence, effort, triumph, amazement, reflection. Add in an evil genius (Stephane Bura), a troublesome trickster (Mark), and a few great one liners ("I'll just do the birthdays") and you've got cinematic gold!
This took me AGES! I almost quit and watched the whole video after a few hours. But then I learned that I’m not dumb; it’s just a super difficult puzzle and I persevered!
That was amazing to watch! You and Stephane are both geniuses. It's hilarious how at the beginning you say how difficult it is, but then the video is still just an hour. You really grasped the whole coordinates-thing really quickly and it was impressive how after a short while you used it so routinely.
This one took me 5 hours but I solved it! I'm still pretty proud of myself. This is the second one I've solved from the channel after the arithmetic quiz a few days ago. I'm not a sudoko person at all and only started watching cracking the cryptic a few weeks ago. This is probably a testament to how good Simon is at explaining logic that I learnt so quickly, and also how much excitement he exudes that made me want to do this myself despite swearing I'm only here to watch and not solve. I do think I'm terrible at regular sodoku logic, though. I just mis-see things and make so many mistakes, but I really enjoy cracking puzzles where the goal is to figure out some new underlying logic that makes everything make sense. I still need to work on accuracy though, because most of my time was spent redoing things and correcting my mistakes despite having figured out the 8 pattern like an hour in. Anyway, sorry for the long comment, but thank you Simon for getting me into Sudokus, I really enjoyed this one! I'm not making any promises to how many I will attempt in the future though haha
I really loved solving this puzzle. I started with the advantage of knowing Simon had solved it relatively quickly (I pause the video as soon as it starts, then try to solve the puzzle, so I know how long Simon took). It took me much longer (and a complete restart) to get to the "Ah! This is how it works!" point.
After half an hour, I'm quite pleased at how close to beginning to start I got before I gave up! Mind boggling puzzle. Astonishing solve. I caught glimpses of logic, but failed to grasp any of it, and then Simon teases it out with such care and precision.
Firstly: Congratulations Simon on successfully contorting your mind to be able to complete this sudoku!👏👍 Secondly: Thankyou Simon for your introduction to this video which was the best laugh that I have had in ages, hearing all of your complaints about how ridiculous this puzzle is yet knowing that you will successfully solve it! 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe the craziest thing to me (which Simon perhaps briefly noticed but then let go of while solving?) is that the "wraparound" dominoes formed by the 7th column and 1st column ALSO all point to the correct digits. For example, in the 1st row, we get a 7-3 domino, and indeed row 7, column 3 is a 1. Lovely puzzle!
After listening to your thoughts for 45 minutes I finally realized what to do and solved it on my own, but I don’t think in a million years I would’ve figured that out from just the 1.
Sometimes it feels like I see some clues far before Simon acknowledges them but it's his ability to approach those clues so carefully that he manages to deduce so much more than I ever could
One hint (for Simon as well as other people trying this): In the options, you can enable row/column numbers. This way you don't have to count to know which row/column is which. (It's less needed in a normal Sudoku with boxes, but here we have just identical looking rows/columns everywhere.)
That's good to know. I would actually prefer spreadsheet references since they are easier to express to me. Columns are letters and rows are numbers so C1, D3, etc. Maybe Sven can add that as an update in the future.
56:21 “If you treat the first 7 columns as a torus, then it works” Looks at the finished grid, that’s actually true! I assume that’s a consequence of the logic and not a sly party piece Stephane has put in but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was tbh
no way you went for this on camera. this puzzle has been on my todo list since it’s been published, but mortified me by the ruleset. I guess I have to go suck it up and solve it so I can watch this later tonight
This one was crazy. I don't think I could have solved it without peaking at Simon's video first. Once he explained the reciprocation I paused and went back to it, and that proved the key I needed. But then I found I'd made a couple of mistakes somewhere in my solve and had to correct so the dominoes worked out. Absolutely brilliant
Something very interesting about this puzzle that he glazed over with “that’s weird” is that if you ignore the white column and let the dominoes wrap around, the referencing still works. For example, in the second column, the digits 7 and 3, if treated as the pair 7,3 actually refer to a two in the 7th row, 3rd column. And that applies to all dominoes of this nature. In column one, 6,3 refers to the position of a one, in column four, 5,4 refers to the position of a four, and so on
I loved how Simon opened this, got into a debate on why not to ever start this puzzle, then goes into birthdays and makes a remark as if he really shouldn't start the puzzle (which allready sounded like he might would start) and then just goes for it while saying we might never see this one and off course finishes it :P I think the minute he saw this one and recognised it from his earlier investigations on the puzzle, he just knew he was goign to do the video, wether or not it took 1, 4 or 10 hours to solve :P Congrats on solving it and in a decent fashion and time as well! Great job!
I was feeling pretty good, solving it myself. Then I compared my result with Simon's, and I'd got something swapped over. I think it was just sloppiness, but I still got it wrong. It sure looks daunting at first sight, but once you start focussing on where things can't got, rather than where they can, it starts to make sense.
56:33 *Simon makes a breakthrough!* Oh if thats a five and thats a four... thats weird. *Simon proceeds to ignore the breakthrough completely!* lovely puzzle, it is very entertaining.
If you also consider dominos from C7-C1 they also index a number, so instead of 48 dominos you end up with 56 and the only numbers that are not index are the ones appearing in C8
It's pretty cool that there are hidden pairs like that, effectively means that there is no cell, aside from the diagonal, that is not being point to by a coordinate pair!
this was one i was never even gonna try attempting on my own, but i was able to keep up with simon's thought processes and walk along to the next step pretty well through the whole thing so i feel fairly good about that. and i did grok a few key details before he did, the very first thing i picked up on was that row 1 (probably) needed an [8,4] pair, and then i was waiting eagerly for him to realize the NW-SE diagonal comprised 8 of the un-referenced cells. i also had a hunch/hypothesis/hunchpothesis that the other 8 'missing' cells might just be sneakily referenced by the 'fake' dominoes on the far right, which wasn't quite true, but as simon briefly sort of noticed with his torus comment, the far right edge of the purple zone wraps back around to the left to create the last 8 missing dominoes, so there essentially are 56 indexes in the puzzle and all the cells outside that diagonal are accounted for! definitely a fun one to watch along
Simon, your complaints about absurd puzzles are one of my favorite things. I'll definitely be rewatching this one! I got the diagonal part by myself (but mistakenly thought it would be both diagonals until you explained) but otherwise was just thrilled to be along for the ride. Thank you for solving it, and massive props for doing it in an hour with an explanation I could follow despite the head-scrambling indexing!
Watching Simon go through the 5 stages of sudoku grief is quite entertaining:
-surprise
-confusion
-anger
-birthday messages
-curiosity
This gave me quite a laugh! 🤣
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The way Simon said, "I'll do the birthdays" killed me. 😂
Hehe he’s so cute :3
I'm super glad I didn't try to get a birthday shoutout today! Hahahahahaha
Lol Yes.
4:42 😂
I wasn't paying much attention at that point, trying to see how many digits I could get in the grid before he started (usually I don't get any, so this puzzle was a lovely ego boost)
Simon’s out here solving impossible puzzles in an hour all the while I’m out here trying to figure out which one is a column and which one is a row.
Exactly. It took me 10 minutes to figure out he was counting from the top left, and not the bottom.
very good joke
lol me too xD
column= think of Greek Colums, the one they used on their temples and rows well they aren't columns
... I think as long as your answer is *consistent* it should solve? Though not for the checker...
Thank you for the feature and the wonderful solve, Simon.
This puzzle took me weeks to set - it's the puzzle that took me the most time. I indeed wanted to make a puzzle with minimal information given to the solver, hence the self-referential structure I had played with a bit in the past ("Coordinate Sudokus" on LMG).
The core insight for me, after understanding the role of the diagonal and the 8s, was to realize what RxCx represented. If you follow the logic, its value must be the position of x in column 8. From there, you can build a puzzle that follows those rules, instead of blindly searching for a grid that works.
I'm sorry I scared you but you made my work worth it.
As Simon would say..Absolutely bonkers from you..just mesmerized how you came up with this!! Phenomenal!!
Your efforts are truly appreciated!
Sorry your comment hasn't been pinned (yet), Stephane. Thank you very much for leaving it, though. Excellent puzzle, mind blowing new logic. It will definitely inspire other setters.
@@pouletbelette Thank you :)
this looks like some of my more fun creations in excel ;)
I love how Simon manages to be simultaneously very smart and very good at not making people watching the videos feel dumb. It's an impressive combination to pull off and he makes it look easy.
Yeah until he said "I haven't had an intelligent thought in the past 20min" and you worked on your own up to the same point he did 😂 basically meaning my 20min of work was basic level dumb 😂
@@dudeilligence6441and it took me longer than 20 mins, hahaha... and I felt smart!
This must be the sort of reaction Mark hopes for when he asks Simon to open the puzzle on-camera.
I couldn’t stop giggling!
Same! This properly tickled me.
"hopes for"? He knows Simon pretty well. He KNOWS that'll be the reaction Simon will have, and that' exactly why he asks him to do it!
Mark is at it again with his nice little challenges 😄
Personally I have looked at this on and off for hours and still haven't filled in a single digit.
Apparently mark expected Simon to just switch off the video
Simon: “This is something you take on holiday with you, and you have it by the side of the pool, and you look at it occasionally and just shake your head and go back to drinking your mojito, and, you know, maybe at the end of two weeks you have some sort of thought that allows you to make some sort of progress so that in six months time you might be able to solve this puzzle.”
Me: … notes video is an hour long…
When he said that, I immediately thought "How many mojitos is he going to drink in the next hour!?"
@@iabervon tell you what, that'd make good Patreon content
@@KusaneHexaku yep, I'd increase my patron if Simon did that. Or maybe as a live stream so I could effectively buy him a drink.
22 min 13 seconds between first pencil mark and puzzle solved. The rest is complaining that it's impossibly difficult.
For the Americans: I'm just kidding, of course...
Some holidays go by so quickly...
The funniest bit was when Simon sighed and said, "I'll do the birthdays." LMAO
At 56:20, Simon says something about making the purple area a torus somewhat jokingly. Fascinatingly, that actually works, and if you treat column 7 and 1 as a domino with 7 as the row indicator, they all map correctly
In fact, they must work that way. Discovering that was my final step to cracking the puzzle
Funnily enough, that was one of the first things I thought after reading the rules - heavy study into graph theory and that kind of stuff, mapping digits onto toroids, came to me as an intuitive jump from the self-referencing aspect. Super cool to see, and it tells me that Stephane probably comes from a math background!
Similarly column 8 references back to the negative diagonal if you treat it as a double coordinate. R7C8 is a 5, and R5C5 is a 7.
This is amazing.
Fist thing that came to mind after seeing the rules was the prisoners delimma problem. That and Markov chains... no idea still if there's a relationship there, but this fact about making the puzzle into a torus makes me happy lol
What amuses me the most - and I haven't finished watching this video - is the fact that Simon really takes his time to makes the puzzle easier to be understandable. He literally goes through every possible idea before finding the one that allows him to solve it logically. That's so, so, so amazing...
The moaning was thoroughly justified... And the solve that followed was just exhilarating! While the puzzles like the 16x16 filomino and the various yin-yang logics come naturally to Simon coz of his vast experience in solving those puzzles, today was a reminder of what makes him truly great. There are many great solvers who would probably crack this in less than an hr but only Simon can do this in an in camera video without taking a break or a walk around to let the logic seep in. Perhaps thats the reason why he is such a precious resource for the whole community. The way you can be intuitive about a solution to a puzzle with a never seen before logic while continuing to think aloud for an hour is absolutely rare and unparalleled.
❤️
Simon: "I've spent 7 minutes complaining, haven't I ? I'm so sorry..."
Me: that is the best video on the channel so far
Definitely the most hilarious video intro ever!
@@gregind01 My day is made, and my enjoyment immeasurable!
Mark understands what makes for good content. Simon is likable, why not torture him. 😈
Immediately one of my favourite ever comments.
Isn't that a trope called "breaking the cutie"?
This comment currently has 666 likes. 😈
Simon: Proceeds to solve an insane puzzle
Also Simon : "I don't know how I did this"
"It's impossible...it must be broken...it can't be solved...OK, I'll have a go...Oh look, I've solved it...". Simon said exactly the same thing about the original Miracle puzzle.
Eventually he'll learn to believe in himself!
It reminds me of the original Wrogn puzzle as well. "Its impossible! We have no information! Everything is negative! It cant be solved... Oh, but I suppose its either a 1 or a 9 in this cell. But its impossible! Oh, and the next cell to it has to be a 1, so I guess that's a 9... But this IS UNREAL! There is no way it can be solved beyond these two digits. It was a fluke! Oooh, 5 goes in this row. THIS IS UNSOLVABLE"
The five stages of Cryptic
@@FireSiku reminds me of playing a video game. "this game sucks! i hate it!" while playing it for the next 12 hours. it is what it is. smack talking a frustrating task while continuing to complete it is just the way of life. "this task is too hard its impossible!" an hour later and its done.
I don't always watch second-by-second, but I always turn and watch when Simon says, "Ah..."
Seeing this and all the other "am I actually going to be able to solve this" videos, I really want to see a compilation of videos Simon doesn't finish. What twisted, fiendish puzzles are truly so difficult they never see the light of day.
I think it's those that don't follow a linear logic, but rather a a logic that develops in parallel ways and forces you to bounce between them constantly. I believe that if there is any linear logic, Simon is able to crack it step by step after having the initial intuition, but I've seen him absolutely confused in a puzzle where he had to continually bounce between tho thinking processes. The other type of puzzles that never saw the light, are probably those where he couldn't get the initial intuition that allowed him to crack it digit by digit
This one took me 2.5 hours. I never would have imagined solving something like this until recently. Mark and Simon, you are like mentors to me in what has become a cherished hobby. Thank you so much! And bravo Stephane, this one was mind blowing, and one of the solves im most proud of.
Thank you :)
Ey, it took me 2.5 hours too!
I'm 9 years old and I solved it in 2 minutes
@@StephaneBura +1
@@maximilianmaier3950 900+ IQ
I love when Simon in any crazy sudoku says 'Ah' because I know that after this he will do something epic
I'm proud of myself for realizing the negative diagonal never can be indexed before Simon did. Still wouldn't have had a chance of solving this myself. Well done!
Same thing for me. I was thinking they'd all be 8s at first.
Me too! I am a little disappointed Simon didn’t “click tick…Yay!”
I'm still confused which OTHER cells can't be indexed, didn't we say there are only 48/64 cells that are being indexed, where are the other 8?
@@bennettgardiner8936 they're being indexed using columns 7 and 1 with column 7 being the row and column 1 being the column. It just didn't need to be stated in the rules for an unambiguous solution.
@@bennettgardiner8936 both diagonals don’t seem to be indexable
Let's go! I finally beat Simon to a solve for the first time-my time was 42:10! This was an absolutely genius puzzle, major major kudos to the setter! It felt SO good to solve, too. I felt so smart every time I had any breakthroughs, and when it got rolling, it REALLY solved at breakneck pace. Such a fun puzzle!
That's probably the most dejected "let's get cracking" ever uttered by Simon. 🤣
I loved this. Also, Simon: "This is *impossible!*" who then proceeds to spend an hour proving that it is indeed possible. Very enjoyable to watch you solve this, Simon.
I think I’ve watched the introductory “contains a 4… what… why?!” moment about 15 times now. Your baffled, almost indignant incredulity is inadvertent comedy gold and my favourite intro in CTC history. Great solve!
Laughed so hard 🥳
The vocabulary of the people that watch this channel oftenly is so satisfying to see
That rule set is both batshit crazy and absolutely genius.
You know what they say, "there is a fine line between..."
@@jimmyh2137 I'd say it's more of a blurry line lol
I just discovered your channel with this video and possibly the highest praise I can give you is that you are the Lockpicking Lawyer of Sudoku.
Welcome to the channel, there are lots of very lovely videos to watch.
The one that got me here is the very great Miracle Sudoku. Certainly recommend that.
First he says he knows it and it's impossible to solve. Then he tries to reason logically why it is unsolvable and starts to bite himself. After that he tries to explain to himself that it is unsolvable and hangs on the hook. Then a logical thought comes to him and in 20 minutes it is solved. 😂
No matter how you do it, it's great to watch you do it again and again. Awesome job! 😁👍
You know it’s going to be good when Simon says he’s going to turn the camera off! 🍿
and yet there is a video so you know he didn't :P
@@TheFrogfather1 it is interesting to ponder how many videos got started, that we didn't see!
@@BeheadedKamikaze Simon said in an interview I saw on LinkedIn that on average this happens on about 1 in 5 videos
@@kamilkaczmarz3080 wow that seems like a lot! Bit of a shame. Thanks for the info!
I am creasing myself at how resigned he sounded at ‘I’ll do the birthdays’
A friend recommended your channel to me after I mentioned my love of sudoku. I've only ever done classic sudoku and refused to try any variants, but I watched a few of your videos and they sparked my interest.
Then this video was recommended to me and I decided to give the puzzle a go and see how far I got before I'd switch to watching you solve it.
82 minutes later I was staring at my screen in disbelief because I'd actually solved it 😂 I've rarely felt such a strong sense of accomplishment mixed with joy and excitement. This was absolutely wonderful.
And now I may be about to fall down a rabbit hole...
Congrats!
Enjoy the rabbit hole 🙂
To the setter of this puzzle, you are super genius. To Simon, you never stop amaze us with your ability of solving puzzles of this caliber. Well done and to all the setters. You people are giving us all a good brain workout. Well done and keep it up.
04:30 *sighs* … I’ll do the birthdays” ha ha!
This is a puzzle that truly reveals Simon's genius, since I probably still wouldn't have gotten it after six months and he managed to do it in an hour.
There's a couple of very elegant hidden 'features' to this ruleset that Simon didn't see. First, that you can take a 'domino' with the first digit from the 7th column and the second from the 1st column, and that must be an accurate indexing by the pidgeonhole principle. That means you have a full 48 cells indexed, missing only the major diagonal (which is pseudo-indexed by column 8). Second is how the solution creates diagonal bands of the digits 1-7 in increasing order, which wrap at the edges of the box containing the first 7 rows and columns.
In fact this ruleset with a blank board has only seven valid solutions. In that sense, giving the 1 as a given digit was a bit generous, rather than something like an arrow or line that would only provide a useful clue once you fully understand the symmetries required by this ruleset.
Goddamn. I was impressed with his ability to figure things out.
The fact you got so many other hidden rules and figured out all the valid possibilities in an empty grid is just amazing to me.
He actually does figure the first one out at 56:21 and just ignores it😂
If you try the possible starting positions for the 1, only the one given in this puzzle leads to a valid solution. So a complete blank board only has 1 unique solution
@@ankitlamsal1098 One could be a coincidence though, not that strange to ignore it.
@@j.tizzyy that is actually what I meant!!(without using the word coincidence)🤦… why else would he ignore it!?
The “ignore the 8th column and wrap the domino around, so 7th column then 1st column as a domino” actually works, nice pattern spotting
A simple like is not enough for this incredible puzzle, and equally incredible solve. It would probably have taken me well over 6 months to puzzle this one out. Well done Simon and Stephane. Amazing! Still shaking my head in disbelief and will probably need to watch this again later to fully grasp the beauty of it
Well said!
When Simon starts a video with such severe doubt... I gotta laugh, heartily, at the "Try it yourself" suggestion.
Yeah, no.
But will enjoy watching this head scratcher.
You are a very brave man, Simon.
I would have picked a different puzzle, restarted the recording, then called Mark for a belly laugh over his puzzle choice.
Can't stop laughing at the introduction.
Ikr! Reads the instruction, reads an example following the instructions, baffled “What? why?”: perfect reaction, lol. Also the blatant assumption he’s going to turn the video off. Absolutely hilarious!
I love how you can actually reference every cell in this puzzle. Every legitimate domino references a cell(there are six dominos per row), every seventh and first cell of each row form a seventh domino (for example [1,7] = 7, [1,1] = 3 => [7,3] = 1), and every cell in the eighth column is an eighth same digit domino (for example [2,8] = 7 => [7,7] = 2). That means there are eight references per row and there are eight columns, so there are 64 references, which is equal to the number of numbers in the grid. Such wonderful design.
This doesn't make sense, why? How did you derive that?
It does make sense, but the original commenter got their math a little wrong.
They pointed out that the 7th and first cell in each row also form a domino (in a wrap-around sort of logic) that also indexes another cell. This was an awesome realization that I had missed and so had Simon.
However, they claimed this makes 8 dominoes per row, but actually it creates 7 dominoes per row. 7 dominoes multiplied by 8 rows is 56 cells.
“What are the last 8 cells then?” You may ask. Well, that would be the cells highlighted in yellow that cannot be indexed (1,1 2,2 3,3 etc.)
@@jesss.5864Yeah I guess I worded it a little wrong. I don’t think I got my math wrong though.
The first seven cells in each row form seven dominoes, which means that’s 7x8=56 references. The last cell in each row is a domino by itself, making it both the x and y axis so to speak. So that’s another 8 references, making it 64 🤔
For example the number, let’s label it x, in the [1,8] cell ([1,8] = x) will be the coordinates for 1 on the diagonal ([x,x] = 1)
The same goes for [2,8] = y … [y,y] = 2
and so on.
If there are any gaps in my math, I’m sure I need to retake some classes 😄
Absolutely crazy and I don't think that was intended by the creator, it's just logic that was produced as a side effect.
you reading the rules in the beginning is how i sound listening to you solve any other not impossible puzzle
This is one of the most incredibly set puzzles I have seen. Its fascinating that such a rule could populate a gird in the first place let alone have a solve path and a unique solution. In a word: Masterful!
Kudos to Simon for working through it and featuring it. I wonder how Simon is going to get back at Mark for this one?
59:41 and I don't think I've ever been more proud of a solve in my life. Figuring out each step of the break-in felt like some sort of Zen enlightenment.
Take a bow, Stephane.
I've been watching you brilliant men for about 3 years now, and this must be the one video that made me smile the hardest. Firstly, because I'm a mathematician and this puzzle is just liquid gold logic. Second, to see Simon finding out how the logic works and see him go from "to bobbins and beyond" to "I'm going to solve this". Amazing solve!
56:29
No, Simon! It’s not weird. It’s BRILLIANT!!
It wraps on its self. If you take a domino starting with c7 and the second part is c1 it still does work!!!
And if you take values in column 8 as a double pair - e.g. a 6 in column 8 means row 6 column 6 - then THAT works too, as every cell in column 8 correctly references the corresponding diagonal cell, including row 8 column 8 which is self-referential.
I love this video so much bc even tho he thinks he's struggling he is actually doing much better than he thinks, and that on its own is a beautiful lesson ❤
This was an incredible solve of an incredible puzzle. Well done! Also, there's something to be said about this being quality "edutainment" to me. First off, I never would've been able to solve this - I figured out the self referencing thing but got stuck in the dead-end loops, and decided to just watch a master at his craft noodle through it. Watching Simon's logic unfold is tantamount to magic.
6:39 "That is, I think, the most daunting ruleset"
Couldn't agree more. For me it was about 40 minutes of thinking and exploring examples to get it going, but at least not 6 months. And now i get to watch frustrated Simon, haha! Thanks Stephane.
Just noticed this after the puzzle was solved. But the purple cells wrap around and still reference cells with column 7 and column 1. For example, R1C7 is a 7 and R1C1 is a 3, so R7C3 is a 1. This works for all the Column 7/1 pairs.
Simon noticed this too but he didn’t explore it
56:13 he notices it, marks as weird and never goes back to😄
It has to. The two "unreferenced" copies of each digit must be in the two rows and the two columns that don't contain a referenced one. So the row numbers of the unreferenced digits are in columns 7 and 8, and the column numbers are in columns 1 and 8. So either column 8 references the position of a digit on the main diagonal and columns 7 and 1 are a wrap around domino, or there's a domino in columns 7 and 8 and another wraparound one in columns 8 and 1. The second option is ruled out because it makes the number of dominoes greater than the number of non-diagonal cells in the grid.
Maybe my brain's weird, but that was my starting point :)
@@AngelWedge That would have been a good way of figuring out that all non-diagonal squares are pointed to by a domino in the pinks (including the wrap arounds mentioned above), but I'm not sure it would have helped much, except giving you more options for how to deduce the numbers at the end maybe.
the last column gives info on the double-coordinates diagonal if you treat it as double digits
53:19, super proud of myself. Once you realise there's a problem with (X,X) coordinates it all starts to fall into place, then you realise the interplay with 8s and it all just collapses. BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT puzzle
10 months later and I found this. I watched the solve with some initial ideas of how to get started but nothing concrete enough. Seeing Simon, eventually, take my rough ideas and form them into workable logic was magical and really boosted my confidence to take on tough puzzles I normally avoid.
As said by others, the start was very funny to watch Simon's reaction. Even if it was a prank, good on ya for powering through and working it out. Good solve!
This channel is the BEST! Thank you Simon, and thank you Mark!
In the past few years, I have become able to solve such puzzles I couldn’t have dreamt of solving before I discovered CTC (a few months before the first Covid lockdown, so sometime in 2019).
Simon and Mark, I know I’m speaking for many when I say that you have awakened a love for puzzles in us that we can all enjoy and share in this community.
I had a small breakdown during the lockdown and CTC helped me to stay sane by engaging me to think. I never knew so many sudoku variants existed before I discovered this channel, but learning how to understand them and solve them has been one of the most wonderful experiences in my life so far.
Thank you for being consistent and loyal. Let’s get cracking!
Cracking the cryptic first for me; screaming at Simon though the screen! He's always found everything before me so far and apologizing to everyone who sees the thing he doesn't but it's never been me. I feel proud of myself!
Because he's super smart and I could never solve these puzzles like he does. Keep cracking, Simon, you're the best!
This was the most beautiful deduction video in channel so far. Brilliant, Simon!
Again, what a sheer run of puzzles we’re on. This is a blessing of a video. What a miraculous, genius discovery by Stephane, and what an incredible, genius solve by Simon. I especially love the thrill of how the video feels hopeless until Simon raises his eyebrows and says “ah,” at which point the wonders just start to flow. Dang it I love this channel. PS, sorry to give you a hard time about this, but the 3 in the corner didn’t get its song!
Man that was a hard start... Fantastic puzzle yet again. Once i got the eights i still felt i had no idea how to solve it but then you get a couple more digits right away and it just unravels jumping back and forth with referencing and even a little sudoku at times... just lovely. Starting it really way the hard part because it looks so daunting. And i really got a nice "I did that today" feeling out of it. Also a brilliant reaction to the puzzle reveal from Simon - but of course he managed to solve it, as if it was ever in doubt :)
I've never laughed out loud before on any puzzle before this. The reaction was so great. Thank you for having a go. (Never mind figuring out how to solve it)
2:38 to 2:42 is a prime spot to make a GIF out of 👌
What????? Why????? If! love it
So good 🤣🤣🤣
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What? Why??
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"You should understand this." 😄
And the way Simon's hair gets more and more messy while he solves the puzzle. 😂
Best first 7 minutes of any Cracking the Cryptic video ever!
This took me 510 minutes to solve over a couple of days... Now I can finally watch this video and see how Simon finds the solution within an hour!
I have no prior experience in solving logical puzzles like this (besides regular Sudokus in magazines), but after watching this channel for a while I wanted to give it an honest try. I'm happy I actually managed to find the logical path and solution. :D
I'm new to this channel and have watched 3 or 4 videos in the past few days without even considering trying to solve the puzzles myself. I think the next one that pops up in my recommendations I'm going to have a go at before watching him find the solution.
@@nagualdesign Go for it! Some of these puzzles really challange your logical thinking and force you to think outside the box. It is very rewarding to solve them by yourself.
49:00 finish (after a few pauses to walk away and clear my head for a while). A couple of things (one of which Simon noticed): yes, the dominos wrap around c7-c1 to map to the remaining 8 squares which haven't been mapped. Also, each domino in c7-c8 is the same as a domino in c2-c3 (though I haven't been able to identify any pattern as to the difference in order). There are no words to describe this. Well done!
Really cool sudoku! I'm a new suscriber and it's only the 3rd video I watch on the channel, but this was the first one that called me to solve without seeing the solve or your personal logic to get there. It took me 425:30 minutes and 4 tries (restarting maintaining the clock) but it was really fun and challenging!
Cheers from Argentina to you and the creator of this insane sudoku!
Congrats and I'm impressed by your perseverance!
@@StephaneBura Thanks! I was impressed aswell by your creation!
The rule set alone almost broke my brain. But I thoroughly enjoyed this. What a brilliant puzzle.
Thank you as always, Simon!
42:30 - you have '1' at coordiantes (5,7) means there shall be a domino (5,7) on a row 1, only possible position in columns 6 and 7. after putting it you can found only position of the domino (1,7) on the row 7 pointing to 7 - only possible at colums 3 and 7 etc
Some interesting facts about this structure:
* As Simon guessed indeed the C7C1 pairs are also indexing resulting in a torous.
* C8 ends up just indexing the diagonal
I wonder how many solutions exist without the given 1 and how they vary. I'm also wondering if this pattern works with other sizes.
There are two 8x8 valid grids. The other one has the 1 in r8c3, but this one is more fun to solve.
There is one valid 4x4 grid, two 5x5, and two 9x9.
This one really makes me wonder if there can be a puzzle that is a truly blank grid (no cages, no dots, etc) with a rule set that only yields one solution without being overly complicated.
@@HonkeyKongLive I was shooting for it. The search continues :)
@@StephaneBura I look forward to the results of your search!
Not only does the C7C1 domino work, but start with each 1 in the grid, and draw a line down to it's right. At row 7, wrap around to row 1, and at column 7 wrap around to column 1, but each time you wrap, add one row or column. You end up with 6 strings of the digits 1-7 in order :)
this is one of my favourite videos, im a very visual person and since Simon had a harder time wrapping his head around what was happening it felt like i could follow along with his thought process a whole lot better, so it really felt like i was soliving it with Simon, i paused and talked at my screen so many times just to be able to think as well. This felt insane 10/10 love being invloved in the thought process esp in a puzzle this bizzare
I watched the live stream before watching either of today's videos, so had a hint from the chat as that opened that there was something special in Simon's video. Yes, yes there was indeed. I enjoy the "Mark told me to open this live on camera" openers, generally, but this one seemed to result in more disbelief than usual! Simon, your experimenting as you grasped the implications of the rules was very interesting. I felt that there must be a reason that there was a given digit, and that it was that digit in particular. I also thought that an interesting pathway of thinking would be about which digits were not indexed by dominoes and why they weren't (that resulted in the negative diagonal, yellow digits). At one point you said, "There may be another way to do this, but I don't know what it is, so this is how I'm doing it. " I applaud this for at least two reasons. First, because the way you were doing it made sense to me (and, from my skimming through about 100 comments) to others who watched this video. Second, because if a way makes sense to you, then you should do it pretty much unapologetically. We did not come here to watch a perfect, pre-worked-out solve of a puzzle, we came here to watch you solve a puzzle the way you see to do it. I have seen some of the pre-worked-out videos on other channels and they are not nearly as interesting or fun as you and Mark doing the live solves. In addition to the wonderful word 'baffling' that does not get nearly enough love from word fans, there was the thesaurus-emptying "multitude, myriad, plethora' phrase, which was very apt for the moment, and of course made me laugh soon thereafter because the large number of possibilities turned out to be a very manageable few once you pencil marked them. So very fun - thank you for battling, persevering, and emerging victorious!
"We did not come here to watch a perfect, pre-worked-out solve of a puzzle, we came here to watch you solve a puzzle the way you see to do it." -- Yes. Exactly. Well said, Emily.
most of the time i watch these videos in absolute amazement because how... this time I understood this puzzle so clearly and screaming at simon about the 8 and 4 for 30 minutes. I finally felt a little smart today
I've decided that I'm okay with following along with Simon and letting his genius mind help me learn ☺️ I kept forgetting how he proved different digits/patterns, but I had a breakthrough when I realized every digit had to be self-referencing when it's in its own row...at which point the title smacked me in the face, lol. 😂 I did finish the solve without watching, and then went back to double check my answers against his, and see how he logicked it out.
Wasn't until the rewatch that I noticed the mirroring squares of yellow/purple, 8/x digit, down the diagonal...
This took me over a week of obsessing over it to solve but the positions of the 8s in row 1-7 finally clicked for me today and then it only took three hours
Congratulations!
A totally genius conception. I puttered around on it for 2hr getting nowhere, then thought about it as I was driving somewhere. While just thinking about it driving, I came up with the trick in about 10 min. Goes to show you, sometimes it is just best to think about the big picture.
All this video needs is a few lasers and someone saying "But what does it all mean, Doctor?" and you have a perfect 'Triumph of the Human Spirit' episode of Dr. Who. Incredulity, dejection, introspection, hope, determination, questioning, intelligence, effort, triumph, amazement, reflection. Add in an evil genius (Stephane Bura), a troublesome trickster (Mark), and a few great one liners ("I'll just do the birthdays") and you've got cinematic gold!
This took me AGES! I almost quit and watched the whole video after a few hours. But then I learned that I’m not dumb; it’s just a super difficult puzzle and I persevered!
That was amazing to watch! You and Stephane are both geniuses.
It's hilarious how at the beginning you say how difficult it is, but then the video is still just an hour. You really grasped the whole coordinates-thing really quickly and it was impressive how after a short while you used it so routinely.
This one took me 5 hours but I solved it! I'm still pretty proud of myself. This is the second one I've solved from the channel after the arithmetic quiz a few days ago. I'm not a sudoko person at all and only started watching cracking the cryptic a few weeks ago. This is probably a testament to how good Simon is at explaining logic that I learnt so quickly, and also how much excitement he exudes that made me want to do this myself despite swearing I'm only here to watch and not solve.
I do think I'm terrible at regular sodoku logic, though. I just mis-see things and make so many mistakes, but I really enjoy cracking puzzles where the goal is to figure out some new underlying logic that makes everything make sense. I still need to work on accuracy though, because most of my time was spent redoing things and correcting my mistakes despite having figured out the 8 pattern like an hour in.
Anyway, sorry for the long comment, but thank you Simon for getting me into Sudokus, I really enjoyed this one! I'm not making any promises to how many I will attempt in the future though haha
I really loved solving this puzzle. I started with the advantage of knowing Simon had solved it relatively quickly (I pause the video as soon as it starts, then try to solve the puzzle, so I know how long Simon took). It took me much longer (and a complete restart) to get to the "Ah! This is how it works!" point.
I love videos where Simon goes “this is unsolvable in the beginning, because you know your in for a real treat!”
After half an hour, I'm quite pleased at how close to beginning to start I got before I gave up!
Mind boggling puzzle. Astonishing solve. I caught glimpses of logic, but failed to grasp any of it, and then Simon teases it out with such care and precision.
Firstly: Congratulations Simon on successfully contorting your mind to be able to complete this sudoku!👏👍
Secondly: Thankyou Simon for your introduction to this video which was the best laugh that I have had in ages, hearing all of your complaints about how ridiculous this puzzle is yet knowing that you will successfully solve it! 🤣🤣🤣
I am so so glad RUclips recommended this channel to me. You’re delightful and talented and calming all at once.
Maybe the craziest thing to me (which Simon perhaps briefly noticed but then let go of while solving?) is that the "wraparound" dominoes formed by the 7th column and 1st column ALSO all point to the correct digits. For example, in the 1st row, we get a 7-3 domino, and indeed row 7, column 3 is a 1. Lovely puzzle!
Bit like a snake eating its own tail.
Came here to find this comment... It blew my mind as he had solved it and I was looking at the wraparound pairs... C7,C1 pairs...
Even the left to right diagonals of the first 7 rows and columns wrap around. The whole thing is crazy
After listening to your thoughts for 45 minutes I finally realized what to do and solved it on my own, but I don’t think in a million years I would’ve figured that out from just the 1.
Sometimes it feels like I see some clues far before Simon acknowledges them but it's his ability to approach those clues so carefully that he manages to deduce so much more than I ever could
I believe this would get viral, because Simon's emotions here are brilliant
an hour for simon; time for me to just watch
Well, he spend half an hour saying that there is no way he can do it.
Wow. One of the best Cracking The Cryptic videos I've ever watched. Absolutely mind blowing. 10/10. Amazing.
One hint (for Simon as well as other people trying this): In the options, you can enable row/column numbers. This way you don't have to count to know which row/column is which. (It's less needed in a normal Sudoku with boxes, but here we have just identical looking rows/columns everywhere.)
good advice
That's good to know. I would actually prefer spreadsheet references since they are easier to express to me. Columns are letters and rows are numbers so C1, D3, etc. Maybe Sven can add that as an update in the future.
36:33 - "Da daa!"
The sound of the heartfelt joy of finding the most difficult and hart fought for first digits ever!
56:21 “If you treat the first 7 columns as a torus, then it works”
Looks at the finished grid, that’s actually true! I assume that’s a consequence of the logic and not a sly party piece Stephane has put in but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was tbh
This was one puzzle I wasn't yelling at the screen about logic he missed so give this a 10/10 for simon being a pure genius
no way you went for this on camera. this puzzle has been on my todo list since it’s been published, but mortified me by the ruleset. I guess I have to go suck it up and solve it so I can watch this later tonight
You do! 😁
@@Piatato update: done. what an awesome eureka moment
@@KNT_puzzle 🥳
This one was crazy. I don't think I could have solved it without peaking at Simon's video first. Once he explained the reciprocation I paused and went back to it, and that proved the key I needed. But then I found I'd made a couple of mistakes somewhere in my solve and had to correct so the dominoes worked out. Absolutely brilliant
Something very interesting about this puzzle that he glazed over with “that’s weird” is that if you ignore the white column and let the dominoes wrap around, the referencing still works. For example, in the second column, the digits 7 and 3, if treated as the pair 7,3 actually refer to a two in the 7th row, 3rd column. And that applies to all dominoes of this nature. In column one, 6,3 refers to the position of a one, in column four, 5,4 refers to the position of a four, and so on
Once the 8's were known I think it can be demonstrated that it had to be that way.
I loved how Simon opened this, got into a debate on why not to ever start this puzzle, then goes into birthdays and makes a remark as if he really shouldn't start the puzzle (which allready sounded like he might would start) and then just goes for it while saying we might never see this one and off course finishes it :P
I think the minute he saw this one and recognised it from his earlier investigations on the puzzle, he just knew he was goign to do the video, wether or not it took 1, 4 or 10 hours to solve :P
Congrats on solving it and in a decent fashion and time as well! Great job!
I was feeling pretty good, solving it myself. Then I compared my result with Simon's, and I'd got something swapped over. I think it was just sloppiness, but I still got it wrong. It sure looks daunting at first sight, but once you start focussing on where things can't got, rather than where they can, it starts to make sense.
This was magical... I'm speechless... Simon you brilliant beautiful human!
56:33 *Simon makes a breakthrough!* Oh if thats a five and thats a four... thats weird. *Simon proceeds to ignore the breakthrough completely!* lovely puzzle, it is very entertaining.
If you also consider dominos from C7-C1 they also index a number, so instead of 48 dominos you end up with 56 and the only numbers that are not index are the ones appearing in C8
It's pretty cool that there are hidden pairs like that, effectively means that there is no cell, aside from the diagonal, that is not being point to by a coordinate pair!
Puzzles like this are the ones I do well at. This puzzle was about 60 minutes of Thinking Man followed by 5 minutes of sudoku. Loved it
this was one i was never even gonna try attempting on my own, but i was able to keep up with simon's thought processes and walk along to the next step pretty well through the whole thing so i feel fairly good about that. and i did grok a few key details before he did, the very first thing i picked up on was that row 1 (probably) needed an [8,4] pair, and then i was waiting eagerly for him to realize the NW-SE diagonal comprised 8 of the un-referenced cells. i also had a hunch/hypothesis/hunchpothesis that the other 8 'missing' cells might just be sneakily referenced by the 'fake' dominoes on the far right, which wasn't quite true, but as simon briefly sort of noticed with his torus comment, the far right edge of the purple zone wraps back around to the left to create the last 8 missing dominoes, so there essentially are 56 indexes in the puzzle and all the cells outside that diagonal are accounted for! definitely a fun one to watch along
Simon, your complaints about absurd puzzles are one of my favorite things. I'll definitely be rewatching this one! I got the diagonal part by myself (but mistakenly thought it would be both diagonals until you explained) but otherwise was just thrilled to be along for the ride. Thank you for solving it, and massive props for doing it in an hour with an explanation I could follow despite the head-scrambling indexing!