A really nicely curated set of tests and comparisons. I appreaciate the amount of time on the water and effort post-editing and preparing the narrative you must have expended to present this. I'll use this to inform my next decision. I have a 120% furling genoa which I can handle part furled and with 2 slabs in the main upwind, up till 18kts, then fully unfurled reaching at 7.5 kts to about 100 degrees true. So I'm thinking of a cruising chute on a top-down furler. Nice suggestion to pole the chute to windward slightly by slackening the tack line. Many thanks
Thanks for posting this - I have a Southerly 35RS with a small self tacking jib, I’m just adding a bowsprit and furler so your video was very helpful 👍 I’m in North Norfolk and planning to sail down to the Suffolk / Essex rivers in the spring so if you see a mad man careering around with a new A sail you can give us a wave!
Exceptional. Great to see a comparison test with plenty of figures to back up a judgement. Nicely rounded off with the Question many ask "If you had to choose only one"? Many thanks for sharing this video.
Really enjoyed your video. We are sitting at Pin Mill watching this. Thinking about changing our 140% Genoa on our Dufour 39. Of to the Southampton boat show next month to chat to sail makers. Thank you.
Thanks so much for putting together an enjoyable and informative review - couldn't quite get my head around the sailmaker's thinking with the Cruising Code 0 that seems halfway between an A3 and a racing Code 0 but that's just me - always impressed with the gains to made in in poling back a 'A' sail - always interesting to see what you can gain within an 'outhauler' on the jib sheet to get is out near the toerail when the jib is cracked off to broad. :-)) FWAFS
Thank You Peter for all the interesting data, I have a 2005 Dufour 34P and am picking up my Code 0 from UK sails this week. My current UK inventory includes Titanium 140 and main, carbon 105, full hoist tri radial kite, 135 high clewed wind seeker, North cruising asymmetrical. For cruising I have a North main and furling 140. I sail on the west coast of Canada.Vern
Thanks for posting this Peter. I have the same a code 0 and running cruising chute both on Karver furlers on my boat and whilst I have not been as rigorous in documenting speeds and angles as you I concur with your findings. I have found the running asymmetric viable down to 160 degrees with the tack line eased a couple of metres. I have not tried the spinnaker pole with the running asymmetric as you show but plan to do this when I modify the furling arrangement. Thanks again - a great video!
I think you have come to the same conclusion as myself. It is very hard to do a direct comparison of a cruising chute and a jib. The advantages change with the slightest change in wind speed and direction.
For cruising that is my opinion, there is no point in having a genoa. There is a wind range when a genoa would be faster than a jib and the Code zero too powerful. If you were racing that might be important. Most modern racing boats are designed for non-overlapping headsails and so their only option is to go for a larger racing headsail (jib top , code zero - whatever) . Boats from the nineties and early 2000s tended to have a fairly large mainsail and a 130/140% genoa. Despite the slight gap in performance many have decided to rate only with a jib to reduce their rating and feel that more than compensates for any slight gap in their performance. ( at least racing under IRC) rules. Older boats with small mainsails and very large genoas still need the power from the genoa in stronger winds and are generally unsuitable for Code zeros.
ı really don’t understand why the youtubers force themselves to put music. the content is very valuable but i am really distracted and con not focus on whats going on
I so want to hear what you learned about your code zero. However your choice of music makes this video unwatchable. Would you kindly re-edit without the obnoxious EDM please?
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Thank you very much for putting that together. In these frustrating 'no sailing' times it passed on an educational half an hour.
A really nicely curated set of tests and comparisons. I appreaciate the amount of time on the water and effort post-editing and preparing the narrative you must have expended to present this. I'll use this to inform my next decision. I have a 120% furling genoa which I can handle part furled and with 2 slabs in the main upwind, up till 18kts, then fully unfurled reaching at 7.5 kts to about 100 degrees true. So I'm thinking of a cruising chute on a top-down furler. Nice suggestion to pole the chute to windward slightly by slackening the tack line. Many thanks
Thanks for posting this - I have a Southerly 35RS with a small self tacking jib, I’m just adding a bowsprit and furler so your video was very helpful 👍
I’m in North Norfolk and planning to sail down to the Suffolk / Essex rivers in the spring so if you see a mad man careering around with a new A sail you can give us a wave!
Exceptional. Great to see a comparison test with plenty of figures to back up a judgement. Nicely rounded off with the Question many ask "If you had to choose only one"? Many thanks for sharing this video.
Very good. I wish more folks would do similar tests with sail types and sail trim.
Thank you for documenting the comparison between the 2 sails.
Really enjoyed your video. We are sitting at Pin Mill watching this. Thinking about changing our 140% Genoa on our Dufour 39. Of to the Southampton boat show next month to chat to sail makers. Thank you.
Thanks so much for putting together an enjoyable and informative review - couldn't quite get my head around the sailmaker's thinking with the Cruising Code 0 that seems halfway between an A3 and a racing Code 0 but that's just me - always impressed with the gains to made in in poling back a 'A' sail - always interesting to see what you can gain within an 'outhauler' on the jib sheet to get is out near the toerail when the jib is cracked off to broad. :-)) FWAFS
Excellent video...great comparison...with true windadge...its ruff...both have their advantages when needed...
Thank You Peter for all the interesting data, I have a 2005 Dufour 34P and am picking up my Code 0 from UK sails this week. My current UK inventory includes Titanium 140 and main, carbon 105, full hoist tri radial kite, 135 high clewed wind seeker, North cruising asymmetrical. For cruising I have a North main and furling 140. I sail on the west coast of Canada.Vern
Nice and informative. Thanks for posting.
Thank you very much. Code 0 + asymetric spinnaker is also my choice, with a Profurl Spinex to furling the asymetric
Thanks for posting this Peter. I have the same a code 0 and running cruising chute both on Karver furlers on my boat and whilst I have not been as rigorous in documenting speeds and angles as you I concur with your findings. I have found the running asymmetric viable down to 160 degrees with the tack line eased a couple of metres. I have not tried the spinnaker pole with the running asymmetric as you show but plan to do this when I modify the furling arrangement. Thanks again - a great video!
Nice & useful video. Thanks for sharing
Excellent TY!
excellent blog and very useful
This was great info.
Excellent. Thank you.
Great video
Thanks, a very good summary and infomation from a decent amount of real world testing.
Going lower then120 deg using the spi pole on the code zero helps and still gives you ability to furl in a hurry if needed.
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I think you have come to the same conclusion as myself. It is very hard to do a direct comparison of a cruising chute and a jib. The advantages change with the slightest change in wind speed and direction.
Do you need a genoa when you have a code 0? Looks to me a normal jib is enough when you have a code 0?
For cruising that is my opinion, there is no point in having a genoa. There is a wind range when a genoa would be faster than a jib and the Code zero too powerful. If you were racing that might be important. Most modern racing boats are designed for non-overlapping headsails and so their only option is to go for a larger racing headsail (jib top , code zero - whatever) . Boats from the nineties and early 2000s tended to have a fairly large mainsail and a 130/140% genoa. Despite the slight gap in performance many have decided to rate only with a jib to reduce their rating and feel that more than compensates for any slight gap in their performance. ( at least racing under IRC) rules. Older boats with small mainsails and very large genoas still need the power from the genoa in stronger winds and are generally unsuitable for Code zeros.
ı really don’t understand why the youtubers force themselves to put music. the content is very valuable but i am really distracted and con not focus on whats going on
Sounds like a C0 isn't worth the hassle very often.
Good video, but hard to hear you with that disco music in the background.
I so want to hear what you learned about your code zero. However your choice of music makes this video unwatchable. Would you kindly re-edit without the obnoxious EDM please?
So much this
And a conclusion!!!